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FMJeff
12-14-2001, 09:10 PM
I have a feeling he doesn't even exist...that he's just some computer generated 3d image guy the government came up with...it just doesn't make sense...why would a criminal mastermind be so stupid as to videotape something so confidential as a FUCKING PLAN TO BOMB THE WORLD TRADE CENTER and LEAVE IT LYING AROUND??? It doesn't make sense...he just left the tape there like it was a non-winning scratch-off lottery ticket... If I was Bin Ladin, that tape would be like Butch's watch in Pulp Fiction.

just doesn't add up...

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reeshy
12-14-2001, 09:49 PM
Didja hiccup Jeff?
Anyway, did you ever hear of the Nixon tapes? He left his behind!

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IkeaBoy
12-14-2001, 09:55 PM
I actually posed soemthing similiar to this earlier (they were taking so long to release the tape to perfect the CGI Laden/voice technology like they're doing with Bruce Lee) but not four times in a row Sir

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reeshy
12-14-2001, 10:15 PM
Here we go again Ikea,

Why can't you just believe a that scumbag like Osama could do something like this- grow up and stop trying to act like you're intelligent!

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This message was edited by reeshy on 12-15-01 @ 2:19 AM

IkeaBoy
12-14-2001, 10:29 PM
Oh, I believe Bin Laden did this and I think he deserves to die. However I am a conpsiracy theorist and have this nasty habit of Wag the Dogging this scenerio. I don't believe what I think but I think it.

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reeshy
12-14-2001, 10:32 PM
Ikea,
Here's my opinion- first grow up- then join the military for 3 -4 years- learn to love you're counrty-then come back and talk to me!!

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reeshy
12-14-2001, 10:33 PM
Don't like that? Then don't respond-that would suit me fine!!

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IkeaBoy
12-14-2001, 10:35 PM
hey, hey, hey, joining the military seems a bit hasty and i'm not up for government testing.

anyway, i support our country in its missions. I am pro-America. I'm just saying that I often form weird conspiracy theories they I don't believe, just formulate, and why should this scenerio be any different?

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reeshy
12-14-2001, 11:21 PM
Someday when we can talk face to face- then maybe you can explain to me your opinions and then maybe you can earn my respect! Until then...

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IkeaBoy
12-14-2001, 11:28 PM
what exactly are you angry about? that I form outlandish theories?

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reeshy
12-14-2001, 11:40 PM
No that you talk shit without any basis for your so-called theories! You made a statement that the government faked the video of bin Laden without any basis of proof!I'm reallly getting tired that you think you can come on this board and post that you know everything- you're nothing but a third rate momma sopported college punk who never had to work a day in his life!! Now what? Gonna sue me or is it true?

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Sheeplovr
12-15-2001, 05:08 AM
BAAZING!!!!!!

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FMJeff
12-15-2001, 06:17 AM
Reeshy, calm yourself down or leave this board. This is a forum for debate and opposing view points. Everyone has the right to express a different perspective/idea on a subject. If you can't handle that, go to another message board.


Why can't you just believe a that scumbag like Osama could do something like this- grow up and stop trying to act like you're intelligent!


I believe a man who can coordinate the hijacking of several US flights at the same time on the same day into the same buildings is a little more meticulous than most people...a man with a commanding sense of detail, timing, planning, and execution. This is not the kind of person that would just leave a taped confession lying around so the US government could find it. It's a little too easy. So no, even though Bin Laden is a scum bag, I don't believe he is that fucking stupid. Either the tape is a fabrication or he left it behind deliberately for some reason he plans to exploit later. With modern technology the way it is, we can pretty much fabricate any visual image if you had the time, manpower and equipment.

Jeff

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IkeaBoy
12-15-2001, 06:26 AM
No that you talk shit without any basis for your so-called theories! You made a statement that the government faked the video of bin Laden without any basis of proof! Do you understand that I wasn't being completely serious? I never said what I said was true, just a theory I had. but as Jeff said it just seems a bit odd that we release this tape on the same day we allegedly have him surrounded I'm reallly getting tired that you think you can come on this board and post that you know everythingI don't think I ever claimed to know everything or gave the impression that I did. you're nothing but a third rate momma sopported college punk who never had to work a day in his life!! Now what? Gonna sue me or is it true?I'm not going to sue you because there's no reason to. Just because my hands have been counting money their whole life doesn't mean anything.

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This message was edited by IkeaBoy on 12-15-01 @ 10:47 AM

Doogie
12-15-2001, 06:46 AM
Kudos FMJ...I agree that it is too easy to find this tape. I believe that Osama is behind the whole thing, the US govnt just needs a "Smoking gun" to totally prove it. People need to be reminded what it is we are fighting against and the reason to do that. I just disagree with the methods they are doing to go about it...I cant believe that we blew the living hell out of a building and voila!!! A tape that totally shows Osama cheering the bombings...we all just know a little too much about video engineering today to believe what we are seeing. I dont speak Arabic so we cant even be positive of what he is saying behind the translation...that is why people have varying opinions about it.

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FMJeff
12-15-2001, 07:02 AM
Americans are so easily fooled by propaganda...we're calling this the "war" on terrorism...I'm sorry, I don't consider this a war. Vietnam was a war. WWII was a war. Huge offensives, lots of casualties...that's a war! We have the technology to defeat our enemy without setting foot on the ground. It's all a little too convenient for me, I'm sorry. This "war" has been handed to the American people in a neatly-wrapped gift package...we have the evil enemy government, thier megalomaniac terrorist leader, the tyrranical dictator, and a well-fabricated lie for the justification for thier eradication.

Now I'm not saying they don't deserve it, I'm just pointing it out. This is too black and white for me to swallow. The Afghani people have been dying for years...where were we then?

My friend proposed a weird thing to me the other day...I almost smacked him for it...he said Bin Ladin brought us into the conflict by bombing the WTC so we (ths US) could get rid of the Taliban and Afghanistan could know some peace.

It's a fucked up theory, but who fucking knows in this world, you know? We just don't, and we can't simply accept what's been shoved down our throats on CNN.

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IkeaBoy
12-15-2001, 07:17 AM
jeff, so true. when this happened the first thing I thought was just the day before Bush said he had a plan to spur on the economy and then comes a war which is a known economy booster and who didn't think Bush would try to get a war on before he was even in office?

What I'm saying is this, you see the flag, you hear God Bless America in front of the movie you see, you see patriotism, you see YAY AMERICA!!, and its easy to get caught up in patriotic fervor. You have no choice but to give Bush a high approval rating, to think America is great, to not question the government but sometimes criticizing the government, creating theories, not buying everything they show you is crucial to being a free, thinking society.

The Afghani people have been dying for years...where were we then? American way of life- not our problem until it affects us directly.
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12-15-2001, 07:22 AM
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Captain Rooster
12-15-2001, 08:36 AM
I belive that the taep is real..

Here are my reasons:
- The bombing was so intense at key Al Queta and Taliban sites, that a lot of...if not all of the paper work and tapes were probably left behind.

- The Terrorists that had the tape may have been killed and the tape was in their possession

- This may be evidence that the CIA has bought key informants, and that they have "sold out" their leader for big money

- If the tape was proven fake...we would lose all face with the world...and I do not believe that we really need a tape per se, to act in the manner that we were, prior to the tape being found

I would appreciate ANY reply to my ideas on this tape!! Please respond!


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furie
12-15-2001, 08:46 AM
first off everyone breath
in*hold* and out good
FMJ: Bin Ladin makes tapes all
the time he made a tape after the embassy bombings in '98 he then shows the tapes on
Islamic TV out of Oman. It's a key element to his propaganda.
So it's entirly credible that
he would make a tape



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FMJeff
12-15-2001, 11:17 AM
Bin Laden makes taped announcements, but that's only because he would never do a live one due to the possibility of getting SHOT.

I just can't believe this guy is as stupid as Nixon. It's like wearing a "i bombed the WTC" t-shirt.

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Sheeplovr
12-15-2001, 03:16 PM
i need to know how we got it is there a guy on the inside if there is why wont he take the shot
??????????

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Doogie
12-15-2001, 03:54 PM
Cause we always need a villian...someone that we can blame when something goes wrong in the world

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Se7en
12-15-2001, 04:29 PM
Some of you are asking, "How could he be so stupid as to make a tape if he was smart enough to pull all of this off? Why would he be dumb enough to do that?" You have to understand the complicated mentality behind this man. Here is a guy who sent men on suicide missions, with some of them knowing full well what would happen to them if their mission was successful. This is the same line of thinking people had around the 11th. "How could they fly into buildings? They would know that they would die too, so why did they do it?"

Because if you can say nothing else about fanatics, it's that they aren't pussies like most of us who don't value anything enough to die for it. They will GLADLY die for their cause, their religion, etc. So what's it to them if they fly into a building? If it's done in the service of their god, it's all good.

This is sort of the same thing with Bin Laden. While I don't believe he wants to die, I don't think he fears it. He doesn't fear death. Why should he? If he dies, he becomes a martyr, proof that the Great Satan will do anything to kill those who try to raise up Islam and the Arabic world.

Furthermore, the man's a megalomaniac. He's bragged about his crimes in the past, so why shouldn't he do it now? The man's taken responsibility for the Cole bombing and the embassy attack, I doubt he'd be afraid to take responsibility for this.

And finally, the reaction this tape had in the Islamic / Arabic world is a perfect example of the message bin Laden had in the tape. He felt this tape and the WTC attack would be a great recruitment source. And the very fact that many Arabic / Islam communities' first reaction to the tape was, "Oh, Osama could not have possibly done such a thing, it must be the Americans faking the tape", well that shows which of the two those communities trust more. Hell, half of the countries in the Middle East have given him aid in the past. The predominant attitude in that region of the world is, "You Americans had it coming."

The Afghani people have been dying for years...where were we then?
C'mon, that's easy. We're America. We only lend a hand to other countries when it serves our best interests. Here's a better question to ask yourself: How come America, with all of its advanced technology and medical knowledge, has done so little to stop the AIDS epidemic in Africa, where the disease is becoming damn near Biblical in terms of destructive force? The answer: Africa doesn't serve our best interests, so they can take a walk. And prior to the 11th, that was our attitude towards Afghanistan.

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IkeaBoy
12-15-2001, 06:21 PM
Cause we always need a villian Every country always needs a villain. Contentness is a dangerous thing, the people of a country need something to fear or something to rally against. Ah, what I wouldn't give for the days of communism again.How come America, with all of its advanced technology and medical knowledge, has done so little to stop the AIDS epidemic in Africa, where the disease is becoming damn near Biblical in terms of destructive force? We want the white women to fear the black snake.

I'm not saying for sure that the tape is fake or that Bin Laden wouldn't come out and say it but just that it's so convenient it being released at this time

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Zipgun
12-15-2001, 07:16 PM
The Afghani people have been dying for years...where were we then?

Supporting Israel.

Listen...to speculate on what our government does, has knowledge of, and controls is futile. You will never know what is truly happening, why it happens or how it happens. You will only be told what they want you to know. And until you become one of the muckity mucks, you'll never know what's really going on.

Sure, posing hypothesis of our situation is cathartic, but in my opinion, a waste of time.

What's going to happen is going to happen, whether you think it's wrong or right.

Do I think Osama and others around him did all this? Yes.

Will killing him stop what's going on? No.

Kill him and there are 10 to take his place. The "bad guys" you see on the news when it comes to governments or fundamentalist groups are more often figureheads. For example, Hitler was obviously a disturbed man, for many reasons, however, the atrocities that were carried out and thought up by, were mainly by his underlings. But did Mass America know who they were at the time? Not really. And they were the ones that carried out some of the worst war crimes against humanity ever conceived. Hell even George W is a figurehead. Do you really think he's the one that is making all the decisions?

I guess my point is, what you're being told has all gone through more spin doctors and proofreaders than you can shake a stick at. And we will do things so unspeakable during this war that you'll never hear about. And the righteous acts we do will be heralded as heroic feats.

To me, the best thing we can do as a civilian population is to help the victims and families of the attacks and support our troops involved. For they also know about as much as we do about what's going on and if anything have heard even more propaganda to get them more fired up.

So do what you can to help the people that have been hurt by all of this directly.



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