When is it OK to Punch People?

[CofyCrakCocaine]

So I was involved in a fight a little while ago at a very public place (train station). I was with my father and brother. Some fucking guy bumps hard into my dad and knocks him back. My dad calls the guy an asshole, and the guy gets mad, says "i'm not an asshole! don't call me an asshole!" shoves my dad hard twice and almost knocks him down on the ground, "who's the asshole now, asshole" and so goes the macho bullshit. There's some serious butt-envy going on in this altercation...

My old man is around Carlin's age... had hip surgery a little over a year ago... if he fell down, he could have shattered it. He has a tough time staying upright as it is. So for this tough guy who was at least 20 years younger than my pops to be doing this really was crossing the line.

My brother rushes the guy, grabs him by the shirt yelling incoherent shit and they get into a brawl. You even had the token woman bystander going "OH MY GOD!!!! EEEKZ!!" while the two crashed into one of those ticket machines.

I'm trying to get everyone to calm down. Mainly cuz I don't think it's legal to start hitting people in a public place like that, but also cuz I don't want to see some lunatic try to really hurt someone I care about. I try to be peacekeeper for all of ten seconds tho but it's clear no one's gonna listen so I join in with my brother by slugging the guy in the face. He then pulls the "you're crazy - get the fuck away from me - stay away" schtick as he hurriedly walks away pointing his finger at us like he was gonna ward us off with that. My brother paces after him but I grab him and hold him back and we let the guy get ahead of us. The end.

I've not hit someone in 10 years, and I've never been good at it. I obviously have no idea what I'm doing because I managed to bruise my forearm while punching the guy. I just fucking hate having to hit people, it's never been my thing.

Anyway I guess the point of this post is, was it wrong for me to join in and hit the guy? Should I have taken the so-called higher ground no matter what? Would not getting involved at all have made me a bad son? Does ganging up on a guy still make you a pussy even if he was shoving around your elderly father, or does this case make for a special exception?

[TheMojoPin]

I tell you, these Yanks/Red Sox series bring out the worst in people:

http://gothamist.com/images/2003_10_zimmer.jpg

Seriously though, this guy deserved at least one good punch. Who shoves an old man like that?

[Bossanova]

So I was involved in a fight a little while ago at a very public place (train station). I was with my father and brother. Some fucking guy bumps hard into my dad and knocks him back. My dad calls the guy an asshole, and the guy gets mad, says "i'm not an asshole! don't call me an asshole!" shoves my dad hard twice and almost knocks him down on the ground, "who's the asshole now, asshole" and so goes the macho bullshit. There's some serious butt-envy going on in this altercation...

My old man is around Carlin's age... had hip surgery a little over a year ago... if he fell down, he could have shattered it. He has a tough time staying upright as it is. So for this tough guy who was at least 20 years younger than my pops to be doing this really was crossing the line.

My brother rushes the guy, grabs him by the shirt yelling incoherent shit and they get into a brawl. You even had the token woman bystander going "OH MY GOD!!!! EEEKZ!!" while the two crashed into one of those ticket machines.

I'm trying to get everyone to calm down. Mainly cuz I don't think it's legal to start hitting people in a public place like that, but also cuz I don't want to see some lunatic try to really hurt someone I care about. I try to be peacekeeper for all of ten seconds tho but it's clear no one's gonna listen so I join in with my brother by slugging the guy in the face. He then pulls the "you're crazy - get the fuck away from me - stay away" schtick as he hurriedly walks away pointing his finger at us like he was gonna ward us off with that. My brother paces after him but I grab him and hold him back and we let the guy get ahead of us. The end.

I've not hit someone in 10 years, and I've never been good at it. I obviously have no idea what I'm doing because I managed to bruise my forearm while punching the guy. I just fucking hate having to hit people, it's never been my thing.

Anyway I guess the point of this post is, was it wrong for me to join in and hit the guy? Should I have taken the so-called higher ground no matter what? Would not getting involved at all have made me a bad son? Does ganging up on a guy still make you a pussy even if he was shoving around your elderly father, or does this case make for a special exception?


You have just described one of the two times its ok to hit someone. The other time is at a Phillies fan anywhere.

I have no issue with what you did. I myself try to avoid a fight, but sometimes you just have to throw down

[ZigZagBigBag]

im surprised you kept it together as long as you did. as soon as he made a move in the general direction of your dad i would have went all hissy, flaily, frothy at the mouth, full-on bizzaka.

[LaBoob]

I have no problem with that either... it was a heated moment, you were protecting your family, and you were pissed off. I person can only keep it together for so long.

That guy was a piece of shit who had it coming.

[DolaMight]

2-5 & 75+

[donnie_darko]

if someone attacks your father thats the perfect time to punch someone.

i remember in highschool one of my moms boyfriends grabbed her and i walked in the room, and i'm sure i'd still be punching him if I hadn't been pulled off of him.

Its obvious you feel guilty about it, so it would seem that it had to be an extreme moment to make you react the way you did. Just be happy the guy wasn't a lunatic with a gun.

I can also say it's been at least 10 years since I've been in a situation where i've had to defend myself or anyone else, hopefully you wont have any repeats.

[ahhdurr]

DolaMight - what kind of stereo are we talking about? Take off the faceplate? Or does the whole unit come out? 93 Tempo and some re<i>spect</i>!

That guy sounded like a problem - you did the right thing. Legally - it sounded like self defense really... the genral rule is when you're safe again, you don't pursue your attacker. That's what I got from a self-defense class I've taken a couple semesters now anyway. Your brother sounds like he was about to get into trouble.

[Jughead]

I not really sure how some of you live there..I know I'm from the Midwest ..But the more I read and hear about ass holes in that crowded area of the nation is amazing ....We may be hayseeds here but I rarely deal with inconsiderate ass holes ..I'm so sorry about your Father CCC...Punch the phucker in the face!!!! I agree with everything you posted......Ive never been out there but the tradition of ass hole stories, and post here make me wonder about ever going out there...

[K.C.]

When is it OK to punch people?

When they enter your line of sight.

[scottinnj]

You have just described one of the two times its ok to hit someone. The other time is at a Phillies fan anywhere.

That's why we brain you dummies with D Cell batteries. Stupid Mets fans.

[Coach]

I am not a violent person, but someone pushing my dad and starting shit with him would make me go all Ralphie from Christmas Story on him, hell, if my sister was there and not me, I think she would have beat the living crap out of the guy. You did right in my book.

[WampusCrandle]

....was it wrong for me to join in and hit the guy? Should I have taken the so-called higher ground no matter what? Would not getting involved at all have made me a bad son? Does ganging up on a guy still make you a pussy even if he was shoving around your elderly father, or does this case make for a special exception?

personally, i would try to not get in a fight - i'm no Ali. it doesnt make you a bad son to help out your dad when a cunt bag like him was gonna beat someone who was not on the same playing field. ganging up shouldn't matter because he choose to be a dick to an entire family than just one man, whom he thought wouldn't fight back. people like him should realize that if he starts it he should be ready to be fighting three or more. i think you are just fine. plus, a punch in the face is always manly.

legally, your brother, your dad and you were in the wrong. the slamming your dad was obviously wrong, but the verbal altercation puts the wrong on you - unfortunately. also, your bro touched him - big legal no no. and, i do believe, it is always illegal to punch someone.

p.s. - that guy was a dick and you sent him crying like a lil' girl. fuck him - you rule!

[Coach]

your brother, your dad and you were in the wrong. the slamming your dad was obviously wrong, but the verbal altercation puts the wrong on you - unfortunately. also, your bro touched him - big legal no no. and, i do believe, it is always illegal to punch someone.

I have to disagree, the asshat initiated contact, his father responded reasonably, and the asshat reacted unreasonably and escalated the issue.

[Devo37]

my initial answer to the question was gonna be "when they hit you first", but if someone got physical with my father or mother (both in their 70's), i think i'd have to hit the guy.

that said, the goal of punching someone should be to subdue them, not to punish them. once the physical threat is subdued, you have to stop, otherwise you become a thug tossing an unnecessary beating on someone.

[Friday]

you know what.... my dad is 6'4" and tough as nails (fallon can attest to this!) ... and if anyone put a nasty move on him... no matter what the circumstance... I would go nuts.
Immediately.

I think you handled it well. Even calmly.

Glad noone was hurt.

[WampusCrandle]

I have to disagree, the asshat initiated contact, his father responded reasonably, and the asshat reacted unreasonably and escalated the issue.

but the asshat, from what i get from the story, is that he had no intent, it was a mere accident that had gotten out of hand. his brother had the intent on grabbing the guy and getting in his face. that makes all the difference. if anything, the asshat has a case.

[Coach]

but the asshat, from what i get from the story, is that he had no intent, it was a mere accident that had gotten out of hand. his brother had the intent on grabbing the guy and getting in his face. that makes all the difference. if anything, the asshat has a case.
Some fucking guy bumps hard into my dad and knocks him back. My dad calls the guy an asshole, and the guy gets mad, says "i'm not an asshole! don't call me an asshole!" shoves my dad hard twice and almost knocks him down on the ground, "who's the asshole now, asshole"


I believe the said asshat's response was unreasonable he initiated a conflict..

[WampusCrandle]

I believe the said asshat's response was unreasonable he initiated a conflict..

no, his dad did by swearing. he already broke the law by swearing, and saying anything started it from what could have been a mistake (its obvious the guy's a dick who doesnt care) to a conflict when the dad said something.

[AngelAmy]

I don't think your dad should have called the guy an asshole. I'm not saying you were wrong for standing up for your dad and brother but you were at the train station and the guy was probably not watching where he was going. I'm not saying he was a saint in this by any means but just because someone knocks into you doesnt mean you start calling them names....it's just asking for trouble.

[EliSnow]

personally, i would try to not get in a fight - i'm no Ali. it doesnt make you a bad son to help out your dad when a cunt bag like him was gonna beat someone who was not on the same playing field. ganging up shouldn't matter because he choose to be a dick to an entire family than just one man, whom he thought wouldn't fight back. people like him should realize that if he starts it he should be ready to be fighting three or more. i think you are just fine. plus, a punch in the face is always manly.

legally, your brother, your dad and you were in the wrong. the slamming your dad was obviously wrong, but the verbal altercation puts the wrong on you - unfortunately. also, your bro touched him - big legal no no. and, i do believe, it is always illegal to punch someone.

p.s. - that guy was a dick and you sent him crying like a lil' girl. fuck him - you rule!

I have to disagree, the asshat initiated contact, his father responded reasonably, and the asshat reacted unreasonably and escalated the issue.

but the asshat, from what i get from the story, is that he had no intent, it was a mere accident that had gotten out of hand. his brother had the intent on grabbing the guy and getting in his face. that makes all the difference. if anything, the asshat has a case.

I believe the said asshat's response was unreasonable he initiated a conflict..

no, his dad did by swearing. he already broke the law by swearing, and saying anything started it from what could have been a mistake (its obvious the guy's a dick who doesnt care) to a conflict when the dad said something.

This is like watching a bad Off Broadway remake of 12 Angry Men.

[Tallman388]

This is like watching a bad Off Broadway remake of 12 Angry Men.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[King Hippos Bandaid]

when dinner is late

[EliSnow]

when dinner is late

That's when your wife hits you?

[CountryBob]

I live for moments like these when you can beat someone's face in - justified!

[reillyluck]

that dude deserved that shit! fuck him. maybe next time, he'll think twice about being a douche. If that were me, I'd be sitting in a jail cell for breaking his jaw.

my one phone call would have been to Mikeyboy for Obvious reasons. then tell the Police " I call my lawyer, he's the best lawyer in New York... he's such a good lawyer that by tomorrow morning, you going to be working in Alaska". :smoke:

[WampusCrandle]

This is like watching a bad Off Broadway remake of 12 Angry Men.

close . . . .

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/04/Jury_dutyposter.jpg

[sr71blackbird]

Technically it is never okay to resort to violence, but from a human standpoint, I would have done what you did in a heart beat. No one watches from the sidelines while their family gets a beating.

[lleeder]

that dude deserved that shit! fuck him. maybe next time, he'll think twice about being a douche. If that were me, I'd be sitting in a jail cell for breaking his jaw.

my one phone call would have been to Mikeyboy for Obvious reasons. then tell the Police " I call my lawyer, he's the best lawyer in New York... he's such a good lawyer that by tomorrow morning, you going to be working in Alaska". :smoke:

He'd plea bargain that shit down for you real nice.

[Coach]

no, his dad did by swearing. he already broke the law by swearing, and saying anything started it from what could have been a mistake (its obvious the guy's a dick who doesnt care) to a conflict when the dad said something.
Where is swearing Illegal? What nazi fucking state do you live in?

[oldladyfacepuncher]

If they are female, elderly, and refuse to remove their hat.

[ibanez23]

If they are female, elderly, and refuse to remove their hat.
This thread seems right up your alley.

[SatCam]

When is it OK to Punch People?

When they ask for a

http://www.iopp.org/images/ACFB0D3.jpg

[Bossanova]

when dinner is late

Who are you kidding, dinner is early so you have time for seconds

[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

While I do agree with Amy...


I don't think your dad should have called the guy an asshole. I'm not saying you were wrong for standing up for your dad and brother but you were at the train station and the guy was probably not watching where he was going. I'm not saying he was a saint in this by any means but just because someone knocks into you doesnt mean you start calling them names....it's just asking for trouble.


I think I'd do what Tracey would do:

you know what.... my dad is 6'4" and tough as nails (fallon can attest to this!) ... and if anyone put a nasty move on him... no matter what the circumstance... I would go nuts.
Immediately.

[DarkHippie]

In defence of yourself or others. I've stated many times my opinion on guns, but if you gotta hit someone, fucking hit em.

Can we get one of the Lawyers on the board to clarify the law for us?

[Reynolds]

Someone hits your dad right in front of you, no hesitation, you sock him. If anyone witnessed the whole rundown, you'd have no problem with backup if your first punch didn't get the job done.

Similar situation happened to me at a Giants game in Jacksonville. A guy was walking through the crowd holding a beer in each hand and yelling like an idiot. He walked by my wife and I, and bumped her good when he walked by. I stuck my leg out and tripped him, as he fell flat on his face and spilled both beers.

[KC2OSO]

how do you get in a fist fight? fucking confounding. how? it's the most retarded thing a man can do.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

how do you get in a fist fight? fucking confounding. how? it's the most retarded thing a man can do.

I'm guessing you're a girl.

[ADF]

Seems like the guy was looking for a fight. Calling someone an asshole for knocking into them may be a bit overboard depending on the nature of the hit (kind of intentional? purely accidental but hard? not saying, "excuse me"?), but pushing someone twice after being called a name is just asking for it. If someone pushed my dad in front of my brother and me, I'm sure we'd throw down even though we're big pusses.

[Sue_Bender]

My mother's in a coma...






Just askin' for it.

[flavopop]

Somone Dropped a shoulder into my Dad about ten years ago when I took him to a Jet game and I could feel the Gamma Rays I had been hit with surge thru my body. I dont think I turned Green but I do believe my cloths ripped as I grabbed the punk ass by the stupid hoodie he was wearing and dragged him back to apologize to my visibly shaken pop who was about 78 at the time. I swear if the guy didnt comply Id have gone boot to his skull until he was part of the filthy Giant Stadium swirly walkway.

Im so not a violent guy but Im almost the size of a silverback gorilla so I can handle myself. When someone hurts or disrespects an elderly parent, all bets are off. You did the right thing in standing up for your pop...I know my Dad appreciated my actions, he never said it but I know he did...:nono:

[WampusCrandle]

Where is swearing Illegal? What nazi fucking state do you live in?

some swearing is illegal - saying fuck and a few others in public places is illegal, such as a train station.

Bumping the father hard could be considered battery, even though in a public area people give consent to be bumped and such. it isn't a crime unless there are two elements present: if there is INTENTIONAL physical touching, and (the most crucical part) "means rea" - a guilty mind. this is what separates a civil wrong from tort and a criminal act. if the father had been knocked down and injured, he probably would have won a lawsuit, if jury or judge found it was an unreasonable physical act going beyond the consent of being touched in a public place. saying "asshole" is not a public obscenity (or illegal, my bad) or disorderly conduct - it's probably not defamation, liable, or slander- plus, its the dad's opinion; "truth of a statement is an absolute defense" in defamation. the douche "shoving the father" it becomes a civil battery and a criminal assault because its not exempted from the "fighting words" doctrine. when the brother grabbed the shirt - it is a civil and criminal unless it is to stop this dick head from hurting their father. the brother and dick head start to fight - without knowing who punched who first, its hard to say. whoever started first is in the wrong, unless the brother was physically trying to stop him from going after the father/ same as CCC punching dick head in face.

its hard to say without further details. personally, the guy is a fucking dick who should be hit by a train. i probably would have done the same thing in CCC's situation.

anyway, that's my two cents. the douche is gone and honor was restored!

[Whitey]

This thread should be renamed "When is it ok to jump someone with there brother?"

[Coach]

some swearing is illegal - saying fuck and a few others in public places is illegal, such as a train station.



The only place I have ever heard that saying fuck is illegal is in a little town in New Jersey (Somerville?) and there it is a misdemeanor.
Belmar NJ tried to outlaw it, but the libertarians got it shot down..it's free speech maaaaann!.

[moochcassidy]

how do you get in a fist fight? fucking confounding. how? it's the most retarded thing a man can do.

good point darlin (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=girls+fight&search_type=&aq=f)

[IamPixie]

good point darlin (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=girls+fight&search_type=&aq=f)

those girls are so stupid. Put your hair in a bun before you start shit with anyone.

[reillyluck]

those girls are so stupid. Put your hair in a bun before you start shit with anyone.

Truer words have never been spoken!!

[IamPixie]

Truer words have never been spoken!!

while you're at it -take out your earrings and put some vaseline on your face. (no scratches)

[reillyluck]

while you're at it -take out your earrings and put some vaseline on your face. (no scratches)

i cannot tell you how many dumb chicks i saw get into fights and left their earrings on. ear lobes split like an ass crack. rookies.

[IamPixie]

i cannot tell you how many dumb chicks i saw get into fights and left their earrings on. ear lobes split like an ass crack. rookies.

:lol::lol::lol:

this is a REAL chick fight. No hair pulling bullshit. Watch till the end.
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I love the very last line. "No more talking shit"

[reillyluck]

HAHAHAHAHA!!! :lol:

I loved the end!! the chick in the red points in her face "NO MORE TALKING SHIT!!"


one on one, bitch!!!!

[IamPixie]

this guy is a little bitch
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bitch slap! lol

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[Bob Impact]

:lol::lol::lol:

this is a REAL chick fight. No hair pulling bullshit. Watch till the end.
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I love the very last line. "No more talking shit"
I don't know where the girl in the red came from but i'm reasonably sure she's a man.

Not a girl fight, but my favorite ever:
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[IamPixie]

I don't know where the girl in the red came from but i'm reasonably sure she's a man.


I thought so too at first. But if you listen to the voice it's clearly female and I see boobs.
She's just really masculine.

[mongothetrucker]

What you did was perfectly fine... I haven't hit anyone since Jr High, but not many people fuck with me because of my size. Being a big fuck sucks in a way... Nobody messes with ya, but if they do, I would suck at fighting.

[KC2OSO]

I'm guessing you're a girl.
Nope. Guy. 6'3" - 240 lbs so shut the fuck up.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

when they think they are better than me like Alton Brown

[Bossanova]

when they think they are better than me like Alton Brown

You must be ripped from all the puches you must throw all day

[King Hippos Bandaid]

You must be ripped from all the puches you must throw all day


whats a puch

[Bossanova]

whats a puch

haha, its the drunk way of saying hay maker you prick

[ahhdurr]

bitch slap! lol

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My favorite is how the guy first tries to break up the fight without putting his drink down. He's really only partially committed.

[pittphantoms]

You did it right CCC... I am proud of how you handled it... What an absolute idiot that guy was to touch your dad when he had two sons with him... he had to expect what he got.

It almost makes me wonder if he was IN to getting beat up? You may have just saved him $300 at the dominatrix...