The Murder of Brooke Bennett

[Epschtein]

(link to case info if anyone isnt sure what im talking about)

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/03/missing.vermont.girl/index.html

this case has me so fuckin' angry, after reading this affadavit (below) im just sitting here shaking wondering if there is any realistic chance i can snap this fuckers neck in the courtroom before they can pull me off of him...

BE WARNED: VERY DISTURBING

http://www.websleuths.com/adnoid/bennett/Brooke%20Bennett%20Affidavit%20Jul%203%20emails.pd f

this guy needs to stop breathing ASAP, i really hope that somehow it turns out that she fought immediately and was killed quickly, but more likely is that the results of the autopsy are going to be extremely sickening.

my guess is that they either tried to get brooke involved and she threatened to tell, or she somehow discovered what was going on, and they planned to kill her, i really wish there was something in the emails that made the motive more clear, maybe there is and they are withholding it for now.

there is no doubt in my mind after reading all the affadavits that this was a planned torture and murder, not just an attempt to initiate her into the "sex ring".

i feel really bad for the stepdaughter, she must be fucked up beyond belief, this started at age nine for her, and she seems to really still be buying into the whole thing, but im still having a really hard time not being angry at her too even tho i know you cant have any realistic expectations of the girl having any sort of moral compass at all.

im shocked that no news outlets are talking about how fucked up those emails are or even mentioning any of the details in them, they usually jump at the chance.

oh, and there is NO WAY that this guy (link below) is telling you the truth, if someone calls you and tells you to take their safe and get rid of it there is just no fucking way you just throw it in a dumpster, impossible, this guy has the safe and will crack and hand it over at some point. i will eat my words if this guy turns out to be just that fuckin' dense.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,376588,00.html

other affadavits in the case;

http://www.websleuths.com/adnoid/bennett/

if there is a god, please let someone crazier than me choke the life out of this guy on national TV during his trial, or at the very least let the security cameras in prison capture him bleeding out on the floor after getting shanked 47 times.

[Epschtein]

one more thing, wtf is up with the redaction in these affadavits? so much for protecting the identity of minor sex assault victims.

shouldnt someone be fired over this? i thought it was a law or something.

the places where it is clearly readable thru the blackout that it says "dad" in a bunch of them leave no doubt who the victim is, and then in another one the blackout works and you cant read it but the context leaves no doubt, it will say " "blacked out", her mother, and jacques lived at their house for 5 years..." well wtf good is the redaction there?!

why did they even bother...

edit - and another thing! goddamnit im steamed about this case...

BOTH mothers need to be imprisoned too, fuck 'em. i have a tiny bit of sympathy for brooke's mother still because i can possibly imagine she is just not that bright and didnt blatantly know the danger brooke was in. MAYBE. but i fuckin' doubt it.

but that other cunt, jesus christ, she marries a sex offender, everyone in town seems to know his history, she admits to knowing his history, and she lets this guy be around her preteen daughter?! god i want to strangle this bitch, but wait it gets better - she comes home and finds her daughter in just a towel in the mother's bedroom, sick fuck is downstairs, girl says she just showered but the shower is dry, there is KY jelly there (that the mother and sick fuck dont use) and there is a porno DVD on! and this moron thinks nothing!?

SHE FUCKIN' FOUND CHILD PORN ON THE COMPUTER! AND SHE DOES NOTHING.

after all the details come out if the feds dont put him up for the death penalty im going to be so fuckin' enraged. why even have the goddamn thing then.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I've been paying some attention to this case; one thing that disturbs me is how "plain" she looks in some shots and how she looks like a typical overglammed Myspace girl in other shots.... and the news media is sticking with the "plain" shot.

When the Amber alert for Brooke went out, they were using the "glam" shot. When the case took a turn for child porn, the media immediately flipped to the "plain" shot.

An interesting look into how the news media works.

[Epschtein]

i have seen both used intermittently but i definitely get your point.

oh and btw im actually not a retard and know that it is "affidavit" and i have no explanation as to why i spelled it "affadavit" 17 times in one post. lol.

[scottinnj]

this guy needs to stop breathing ASAP.....

I'm sure that even if a jury sentences him to death, he will live a long life and die of natural causes. There will be some court somewhere that will overturn the death sentence citing the country's "evolving attitude" towards the death penalty.

[Tenbatsuzen]

but that other cunt, jesus christ, she marries a sex offender, everyone in town seems to know his history, she admits to knowing his history, and she lets this guy be around her preteen daughter?!

OK, a few things here... I'm not trying to play devil's advocate, just work it out from the wife's POV...

At the time, the sex offense wasn't kid-related. It was apparently a "standard" rape, if there ever was such a thing. So perhaps she thought he was rehabilitated, especially since it was 15 years ago.

As for the K-Y and porno... maybe she thought he was just jerking off?

Not all sex offenders are kidtouchers. It's a major leap to go from "adult" rape to "kid" rape.

[Tenbatsuzen]

And Epschtein, I hate you for introducing me to that websleuths site, now I won't get to sleep.

[Epschtein]

i believe he was raping his younger sister that was a minor for YEARS although she wouldnt testify against him so the charges were dropped, i think there is another sexual offense in his history but am not positive.

sorry but im not ready to cut that mother any slack at all, "whats that? you were convicted and served time for rape? bye now, not around my daughter" end of story.

finding child porn on the computer? and now your preteen daughter suddenly has a dildo and porn? all this stuff together should be sending red flags flying up. maybe some of the women with daughters can post what they think.

for me its as simple as this - if i heard my sister was dating someone that had been convicted of a sex offense in the past im immediately telling her that if the guy is ever around the children AT ALL im callling social services. i dont care how great of a guy he is, or how he explains it, its a risk that just isnt worth taking.

[Dan 'Hampton]

one more thing, wtf is up with the redaction in these affadavits? so much for protecting the identity of minor sex assault victims.

shouldnt someone be fired over this? i thought it was a law or something.

the places where it is clearly readable thru the blackout that it says "dad" in a bunch of them leave no doubt who the victim is, and then in another one the blackout works and you cant read it but the context leaves no doubt, it will say " "blacked out", her mother, and jacques lived at their house for 5 years..." well wtf good is the redaction there?!

why did they even bother...


I think that has to do more with the doc being photocopied. The different light from the copier allows you to "see through" the white out. Really a sad story. That area of VT is really backwoods. Not local to any of the resorts. Just a lot of hicks. Amazing how this guy really thought that he'd get away with faking myspace posts and "getting his hard drive fixed at Best Buy." Gets kinda local when I know what Best Buy he's talking about and the place he worked at.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The uncle was very machiavellian in planning how to cover up his tracks, but completely STUPID in execution.

He put himself right in the crosshairs with "discovery" of "evidence". What a dummy.

I also can't believe that he thought ahead enough about DNA, but thought he could avoid detection on a forensic check of his laptop and IP.

It never cease to amaze me how smart criminals think they are and end up being so freaking stupid.

[EliSnow]

I'm sure that even if a jury sentences him to death, he will live a long life and die of natural causes. There will be some court somewhere that will overturn the death sentence citing the country's "evolving attitude" towards the death penalty.

Since Vermont doesn't have the death penalty, a jury can't sentence him to death.

[Epschtein]

its in the feds hands now, death penalty is on the table.

[Tenbatsuzen]

its in the feds hands now, death penalty is on the table.

How is it in the feds' hands? They are investigating, but AFAIK, VT state police still have the ball on this.

I also am annoyed that the two girls who were senselessly gunned down in Oklahoma are getting zero play compared to this. I'll give you three guesses why this case is getting action but the other case is not.

[angrymissy]

I believe kidnapping w/ murder is a federal offense

[EliSnow]

I believe kidnapping w/ murder is a federal offense

I could be wrong, but I think only if the kidnapping involved transporting the victim across state lines.

[Thebazile78]

I believe kidnapping w/ murder is a federal offense

I'm pretty sure that you have to cross state lines to bring it to the federal level.

Jacques didn't cross state lines to do the deed (or with the kid) because the kid was already in VT with a parent.

(EDIT: I am slower than Eli.)

[Tenbatsuzen]

Eli, as this case has connections in both Texas and Alabama on the pornography/Breckenridge thing, and considering that a computer was used to allegedly set the kidnap/murder up and also obstruct the investigation, could the case be elevated to the federal level?

[Zorro]

Eli, as this case has connections in both Texas and Alabama on the pornography/Breckenridge thing, and considering that a computer was used to allegedly set the kidnap/murder up and also obstruct the investigation, could the case be elevated to the federal level?

The reality is just about ecvery state crime has a Federal Counterpart... it's just a matter of whether the Feds want to get involved or not....

[Tenbatsuzen]

The reality is just about ecvery state crime has a Federal Counterpart... it's just a matter of whether the Feds want to get involved or not....

As child porn is involved, I don't see why they wouldn't, so they could send a message.

Best case scenario would be supermax + death penalty.

But GenPop would work too.

[EliSnow]

Eli, as this case has connections in both Texas and Alabama on the pornography/Breckenridge thing, and considering that a computer was used to allegedly set the kidnap/murder up and also obstruct the investigation, could the case be elevated to the federal level?

There may be federal crimes in term of the communication of child porn or conspiracy or attempt to commits federal crimes that cross state lines, but the actual actions involved with the kidnapping and murder appear to have been located solely in Vermont.

[EliSnow]

The reality is just about ecvery state crime has a Federal Counterpart... it's just a matter of whether the Feds want to get involved or not....

Not exactly correct. The Feds have to have jurisdiction as well. There is a federal murder crime, but that doesn't mean that the Feds have jurisdiction over every murder that takes place in the U.S.

I can see the fed's interest given that the sex ring and communication of child porn crosses state borders. I'm just not sure they would have jurisdiction over the kidnapping/murder portion.

[angrymissy]

I could be wrong, but I think only if the kidnapping involved transporting the victim across state lines.

I thought so too, but did a little research and since the Lindburgh kidnapping, it appears they wanted to step up Federal involvement into kidnapping, there were a whole bunch of stipulations in addition to crossing state lines that would bring the feds in.

[scottinnj]

I could be wrong, but I think only if the kidnapping involved transporting the victim across state lines.

The Feds can always get involved, but depending on the size of each state, the time they can get involved is different.

For instance, if one of my kids is kidnapped, law enforcement can assume that my kid possibly is headed across the Jersey border by the kidnapper. Since from where I live to the Walt Whitman Bridge is just under 1.5 hours, the Feds can roll in almost immediately.

[scottinnj]

Since Vermont doesn't have the death penalty, a jury can't sentence him to death.

Thanks for making my point. I'm sure the voters of Vermont overwhelmingly passed a ballot measure to ban it too. I'm sure it wasn't just an executive order by some weenie governor, or a judge.

[Epschtein]

kidnapping that results in death is a federal capital offense, the case is definitely already in the feds hands, and they have already said publicly that they may use the death penalty. hope that clears that issue up.

[EliSnow]

Thanks for making my point. I'm sure the voters of Vermont overwhelmingly passed a ballot measure to ban it too. I'm sure it wasn't just an executive order by some weenie governor, or a judge.

I love how your point is based on assumption you're not sure of.

From what I've read the Vermont death penalty was abolished by the Vermont legislature, which in 1987 refused to enact it.

[EliSnow]

The Feds can always get involved, but depending on the size of each state, the time they can get involved is different.

For instance, if one of my kids is kidnapped, law enforcement can assume that my kid possibly is headed across the Jersey border by the kidnapper. Since from where I live to the Walt Whitman Bridge is just under 1.5 hours, the Feds can roll in almost immediately.

Whether they get involved in assisting the police and whether they can prosecute a crime are two different things.

But it does appear that the feds could have jurisdiction here.

[Epschtein]

But it does appear that the feds could have jurisdiction here.

not trying to nitpick here, but this case IS in federal court and it IS a federal murder case, its not debatable or unclear. this case clearly and absolutely meets the definition of federal murder.

[EliSnow]

not trying to nitpick here, but this case IS in federal court and it IS a federal murder case, its not debatable or unclear. this case clearly and absolutely meets the definition of federal murder.

First, a question: has a federal indictment been filed. It may have, but until it is, it's not in federal court and it's not a federal murder case. EDIT: Federal kidnapping charges have been filed, but murder charges are awaiting the results of an autopsy.

Second, it wouldn't be the first time that a federal case was filed without proper jurisdiction or on unconstitutional grounds.

From the get go, I said I wasn't sure about the fact. And until I (or you) study the applicable law and precedent, you can't say it's clear and absolute.

[Epschtein]

kidnapping that results in death is a capital murder offense agreed? or are we still debating that simple well known clearly provable point?

they have a witness saying she helped abduct this girl for sexual purposes.

they have email correspondence that shows long term planning for the abduction, sexual torture, and IMO clearly planned murder of this girl.

there are mountains of further evidence including the recovery of the girls body that clearly support the fact that michael jacques planned and executed the abduction, rape, most likely torture, and murder of this girl.

the suspects appeared in federal court today, they have said all further charges at this point will be federal, and they have said they are considering the death penalty.

i guess anything is debatable, but where this case is headed is very clear.

but i wont deny you your right to be excessively argumentative. carry on.

[EliSnow]

kidnapping that results in death is a capital murder offense agreed? or are we still debating that simple well known clearly provable point?

they have a witness saying she helped abduct this girl for sexual purposes.

they have email correspondence that shows long term planning for the abduction, sexual torture, and IMO clearly planned murder of this girl.

there are mountains of further evidence including the recovery of the girls body that clearly support the fact that michael jacques planned and executed the abduction, rape, most likely torture, and murder of this girl.

the suspects appeared in federal court today, they have said all further charges at this point will be federal, and they have said they are considering the death penalty.

i guess anything is debatable, but where this case is headed is very clear.

but i wont deny you your right to be excessively argumentative. carry on.

I don't think you understand what I'm saying.

I'm not saying that this guy is not guilty of kidnapping or murder, or that there may be a federal statute on point, or where it's headed.

My point is whether the federal government has jurisdiction per the US constitition. It may, because although I've studied law for a number of years, I haven't studied this aspect of the law.

But I do know enough about the law to say that just because the federal government is proceeding with a case, doesn't mean that they have jurisdiction. I'm not going to say one way or another without having verified it for myself.

[Epschtein]

up until your last few posts you seemed to be questioning whether or not the feds had jurisdiction according to current law. they do.

your last couple of posts now seem to be questioning the underlying constitutionality of the federal kidnapping laws. and i would say that that is a very strange thing to be focusing on.

you could do that for every single case ever discussed but i dont see the purpose, it is very low on my list of concerns regarding this case.

there are unmistakable laws on the books right now to allow the feds to take control and charge this guy with federal kidnapping leading to murder and make him eligible for the death penalty. and to that i say, great news.

[Epschtein]

and pardon me but this case has me worked up. :) so i guess im just reacting strongly to anyone suggesting that this guy might not fry.

could the current federal kidnapping laws be headed for a constitutional challenge? sure. they havent been challenged yet as far as i know.

[EliSnow]

up until your last few posts you seemed to be questioning whether or not the feds had jurisdiction according to current law. they do.

your last couple of posts now seem to be questioning the underlying constitutionality of the federal kidnapping laws. and i would say that that is a very strange thing to be focusing on.

you could do that for every single case ever discussed but i dont see the purpose, it is very low on my list of concerns regarding this case.

there are unmistakable laws on the books right now to allow the feds to take control and charge this guy with federal kidnapping leading to murder and make him eligible for the death penalty. and to that i say, great news.

Jurisdiction and constitutionality are linked, especially when it comes to state v. federal jurisdiction. Although I wasn't specifying it when I first discussed jurisdiction, I was talking about jurisdiction under current federal law and the constitution.

As for the purpose, well I was offering my opinion, but essentially noting that my opinion and understanding of what could or couldn't be done wasn't based on a firm and extensive knowledge of the law on this subject.

[EliSnow]

could the current federal kidnapping laws be headed for a constitutional challenge? sure. they havent been challenged yet as far as i know.

They may have been or may not have challenged yet. But I'm not sure how often that the feds have prosecuted someone under this fact pattern either.

[Epschtein]

agreed.

on another note, the degree of sexual pervesion/misadventure in this whole family is fuckin' unbelievable.

all of the immediate players have histories of sexual offenses and/or child pornography possession. several of their relatives have the same things in their past.

the mother of the girl witness in the case was married to one guy and got pregnant by his brother, then divorced that guy and married this monster.

complete autopsy results wont be out for 6-8 weeks i guess, next court date is july 17th.

the emails in the affidavit i linked are limited to what they needed to include to file charges i would guess, there are many more emails left out judging by dates and gaps in conversations. hopefully they go clearer to establish motive but wouldnt they include something that made the motive clearer if they had it? i have no idea, just playing armchair detective here.

what there is of the emails implies that they viewed brooke as a threat to the family, and to "breckenridge", and that they want to see her suffer.

hopefully now that the veil has been lifted for this kid and she sees the level of deception by her stepfather she will be completely forthcoming, not that that will make this any more understandable. :/

[EliSnow]

I can't bring myself to read the links to the affidavits, etc. I think that shit would fuck up my mood, etc. for awhile.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I can't bring myself to read the links to the affidavits, etc. I think that shit would fuck up my mood, etc. for awhile.

Don't read Websleuths then. Thanks to Epschtein, I was looking at Canadian unidentified remains last night. I saw one corpse and I swear to God it looked like Dead Fez.

[Tenbatsuzen]

BTW, I gotta say, who the FUCK does facial reconstruction/retouches for LE? Fallon and I can do a better job photoshopping than some of the hack shit I saw.

[nukinfuts]

agreed.

on another note, the degree of sexual pervesion/misadventure in this whole family is fuckin' unbelievable.

:/

I agree...and I don't understand how the mother could just not know this was going on. This case really disturbs me as well because my daughter is 13 and I can't imagine her ever having to deal with something like this. I must be an overprotective mother because I don't just "drop" my kids off at places assuming they are "getting a ride" with someone. There are also very few friends that my daughter has that I will allow her to spend the night at their house because you never know what the family situations are and it seems like some single mothers are changing boyfriends very frequently and you just don't know how much they know about the man they are allowing into their children's lives let alone putting your child in that situation. I am a single mother so I am not knocking them at all...my boyfriend has been around for about 10 years and it took a long time before I let him have responsibility for the kids by himself. It is almost as if I kind of put my dating life on hold after I got divorced because I was very picky about who I would allow into my kids life. This whole situation just kills me because kids wonder why you are so strict, however I bet that this little girls birth father wishes he had been more aware of what was going on in this child's home life.

On another note even if he isn't sentenced to death because of the Vermont laws, I imagine he will get life without parole and I don't think that a child murderer will last very long in prison...I hope he gets initiated into federal prison sex club. :furious:

[OGC]

On the 10 o'clock news tonight they are reporting that the state of Vermont has dismissed all charges against Jaques and the Feds are taking over in order to go for the death penalty.

[Thebazile78]

I thought so too, but did a little research and since the Lindburgh kidnapping, it appears they wanted to step up Federal involvement into kidnapping, there were a whole bunch of stipulations in addition to crossing state lines that would bring the feds in.

The Lindbergh case was botched by everyone involved.

It involved a different set of circumstances, including extortion and general anti-immigrant sentiment, as well as police/investigative incompetence ... and a celebrity.

If I recall correctly, the ransom demands were made from NY state, so that offense crossed state lines (as Charles Jr went missing from his NJ nursery window) ... and a "hero" like Charles Lindbergh would easily had enough clout at that time in his life/career to pull in whoever he wanted on a case like that.

[Tenbatsuzen]

On the 10 o'clock news tonight they are reporting that the state of Vermont has dismissed all charges against Jaques and the Feds are taking over in order to go for the death penalty.


Correct, I read that too. The Feds want this and the local police are stepping aside. Good.

Now, here's the question: Would you rather have these guys in GenPop or SuperMax?

If you're not familiar with SuperMax, it's not a "country club" facility. It's basically an 8x8 cement room. The bed is poured of cement. You're in there 23 hours a day with zero contact whatsoever. It is hardcore isolation.

[nukinfuts]

Correct, I read that too. The Feds want this and the local police are stepping aside. Good.

Now, here's the question: Would you rather have these guys in GenPop or SuperMax?

If you're not familiar with SuperMax, it's not a "country club" facility. It's basically an 8x8 cement room. The bed is poured of cement. You're in there 23 hours a day with zero contact whatsoever. It is hardcore isolation.

Hmmm....it depends on which one would be worse for them. I have seen the shows about the SuperMax prisions and I agree that an 8x8 cell with no contact would drive you crazy however I think putting them in general population would assure them a miserable prison sentence.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Hmmm....it depends on which one would be worse for them. I have seen the shows about the SuperMax prisions and I agree that an 8x8 cell with no contact would drive you crazy however I think putting them in general population would assure them a miserable prison sentence.


I think the only problem is, SuperMax is reserved for the worst of the worst. The McVeighs, etc. However, I see no issue with them going there.

[Epschtein]

what i really want is for me to get the chance to come up behind him in court and give him some top of the line hat removal service.

other than that i want him to be wherever allows the most opportunity for other inmates to put an end to him.

[Epschtein]

i just forced myself to watch her funeral, obviously it was extremely sad. it was a good service tho, the only thing that ticked me off was that the pastor went out of his way to say that people should pray for ALL involved, he said it several times and the way that he stressed it IMO it was clear he meant to include jacques.

i understand his point and he is probably right, but i just dont think today was the day to bring that up.

wcax.com says they are going to be posting the video of the funeral shortly if anyone is looking for a reason to have a good cry today...

[Epschtein]

tenbat, that site is pretty good and has some good info - but goddamn its hard to put up with all the retards and their crazy assumptions and failed logic lol. if i was a moderator over there i would definitely be banning people when they babble on with their ridiculous theories.

at least 60% of the posters would get the boot. :P

[Tenbatsuzen]

tenbat, that site is pretty good and has some good info - but goddamn its hard to put up with all the retards and their crazy assumptions and failed logic lol. if i was a moderator over there i would definitely be banning people when they babble on with their ridiculous theories.

at least 60% of the posters would get the boot. :P

Whoever that poster is that has the knight in her sig and starts every post with "My dear... "poster name"... that's the worst.

[Epschtein]

haha! i turned off sigs about an hour after finding the site because of her! (i think its a her)

fondest wishes and deep respect,

epschtein