Christians Pray For Rain!

[booster11373]

No they are not praying to end drought

No they are not praying to end war

They are praying for rain during Barak Obama's acceptence speech at Denver's Mile High Stadium

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztO8wZz029Y&eurl=http://mahalo.com/Obama_Pray_For_Rain_Video

[Knowledged_one]

No they are not praying to end drought

No they are not praying to end war

They are praying for rain during Barak Obama's acceptence speech at Denver's Mile High Stadium

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztO8wZz029Y&eurl=http://mahalo.com/Obama_Pray_For_Rain_Video

Well you forgot to mention that the ad was pulled

[Midkiff]

stinking bible-thumpers are worthless bags of inferior genetic waste

[booster11373]

Well you forgot to mention that the ad was pulled

It doesn't matter that the "ad" was pulled, it was still produced and is still accessible online

[Knowledged_one]

It doesn't matter that the "ad" was pulled, it was still produced and is still accessible online

It does matter its called reporting teh entire story not just jading it to your liking

and everything is on youtube

[Knowledged_one]

stinking bible-thumpers are worthless bags of inferior genetic waste

wow tolerant much

[booster11373]

wow tolerant much


How do you know that I didnt just find that video on youtube and that I know nothing of its backstory?

[Knowledged_one]

How do you know that I didnt just find that video on youtube and that I know nothing of its backstory?

because i saw the story about it on CNN which im sure you did or some other site

I seriously doubt that you just happened to be going through youtube for christian ads

[Midkiff]

wow tolerant much

I lived that life for a long time (raised that way), so I understand it fully and therefore owe it no benefit of doubt. Fuck them. They deserve as much tolerance as they give - which is zero. This is the worst kind of bible-thumper, who equates republican=christian, and has no objective view.

[Knowledged_one]

I lived that life for a long time (raised that way), so I understand it fully and therefore owe it no benefit of doubt. Fuck them. They deserve as much tolerance as they give - which is zero. This is the worst kind of bible-thumper, who equates republican=christian, and has no objective view.

your hatred makes me sad, to let something like that cloud the view that you have where you feel the need to spew venom and schtick is a sad way to live

[booster11373]

because i saw the story about it on CNN which im sure you did or some other site

I seriously doubt that you just happened to be going through youtube for christian ads

How do you know that someone didn't send it to me? maybe they saw the story maybe they didn't I haven't gotten my journalism degree from liberal media college yet

The point is not how I found it, but the video itself

Good Day Sir!

[Midkiff]

your hatred makes me sad, to let something like that cloud the view that you have where you feel the need to spew venom and schtick is a sad way to live

OK.... somebody has been chugging Espiritu with Fezzy. :lol:

I don't live that way... I live a great life. It's not really hatred, it's just something I have had to deal with and continue to deal with to this day, as many family members are still out of their minds with the religion crap.

[Knowledged_one]

actually im not religious in the least

but all of your posts are trying to be shocking like this is wackbag or FBA or some such site take your intolerance, hate and schtick to those places you arent shocking in the least

[Columbus]

Who truly cares if someone places an ad for or against a canidate. Does it really matter who this person or that person supports?

And this is a discussion forum and it seems like you just want to arguee. Maybe I am missing the point and if so I am sorry, but I just think we should all be able to make our points with out someone else throwing us under the bus.

Maybi its just I am a newbi and I dont get it yet. IDK

[Knowledged_one]

Who truly cares if someone places an ad for or against a canidate. Does it really matter who this person or that person supports?

And this is a discussion forum and it seems like you just want to arguee. Maybe I am missing the point and if so I am sorry, but I just think we should all be able to make our points with out someone else throwing us under the bus.

Maybi its just I am a newbi and I dont get it yet. IDK

you obviously havent seen the politics forum if you think we simply have discussions in this forum. Politics + religion = arguement

[Midkiff]

actually im not religious in the least

but all of your posts are trying to be shocking like this is wackbag or FBA or some such site take your intolerance, hate and schtick to those places you arent shocking in the least

No, they are not attempts to be shocking at all. Those are my true feelings towards religious nutjobs. It's not hate or schtick. Intolerance maybe, but as I was on the inside I don't feel any responsibility to be tolerant of something I know to be BS. I really don't come to this site to try to be funny anymore anyway, it seldom works.

[dino_electropolis]

Please dont mistake these morons with Christians.

[booster11373]

Please dont mistake these morons with Christians.


Why not they call themselves Christians, this not meant as a dig but a serious question

[dino_electropolis]

Why not they call themselves Christians, this not meant as a dig but a serious question

If i call myself a genius, or a pro basketball player, or a martian, does that make it so?

[Furtherman]

They ought to be talking to those good for nothing drunk indians to do a rain dance. Denver has had a severe drought problem for the past 6 years!

[Furtherman]

If i call myself a genius, or a pro basketball player, or a martian, does that make it so?

http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/redruth/519/images/marvin34.jpg

I believe you Dino!!!!

[booster11373]

If i call myself a genius, or a pro basketball player, or a martian, does that make it so?

Yes but to be a genius requires measurable intelligence, a pro basketball player requires skill and being on a pro team and a Martian, well you would have to be from Mars and be able to prove so, where as to be a Christian only takes belief in Christ and maybe being part of a church but belief in Christ will get you in the door according to the bible

[dino_electropolis]

http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/redruth/519/images/marvin34.jpg

I believe you Dino!!!!

Thank you Furtherman....please feel free to donate to my collection plate at paypal.:tongue:

[dino_electropolis]

Yes but to be a genius requires measurable intelligence, a pro basketball player requires skill and being on a pro team and a Martian, well you would have to be from Mars and be able to prove so, where as to be a Christian only takes belief in Christ and maybe being part of a church but belief in Christ will get you in the door according to the bible


not that easy, bub.

[EddieMoscone]

It does matter its called reporting teh entire story not just jading it to your liking

and everything is on youtube

Isn't the point that some crazy people are praying for it to rain during a speech, not that they were also crazy enough to try and pay to get it on TV?

[Death Metal Moe]

I lived that life for a long time (raised that way), so I understand it fully and therefore owe it no benefit of doubt. Fuck them. They deserve as much tolerance as they give - which is zero. This is the worst kind of bible-thumper, who equates republican=christian, and has no objective view.

I tend to agree with this statement.

[booster11373]

not that easy, bub.

OK but isn't belief in Christ and acceptance of him as your savior a big big chunk of Christianity?

[Midkiff]

They ought to be talking to those good for nothing drunk indians to do a rain dance. Denver has had a severe drought problem for the past 6 years!

hahahaha furtherman has done brung the funny

[SatCam]

This guy knows black people can't swim. Genius.

[Columbus]

ok. well maybe its just me being new then. Im sorry to knock the thread. i will sit back and learn the thread

[DarkHippie]

I don't get it. Couldn't he just have the speech indoors?

[angrymissy]

#1 - what a bunch of babies, praying for rain. Srsly. Big babies.

#2 - I thought "this place MUST have a retractable roof" and found out it does not. What a dumb idea to have it somewhere that can be rained out.

[Tenbatsuzen]

#1 - what a bunch of babies, praying for rain. Srsly. Big babies.

#2 - I thought "this place MUST have a retractable roof" and found out it does not. What a dumb idea to have it somewhere that can be rained out.

The respective National Committees aren't exactly known for their long-term planning. That's why we got Kerry last time and Old Man vs. Rookie this time.

[dino_electropolis]

OK but isn't belief in Christ and acceptance of him as your savior a big big chunk of Christianity?

obviously.


But belief/acceptance goes beyond sayin the words "i believe/accept". Belief alone, without living a christian life, doesnt suffice.

Hey, dont let my tattoo fool ya....i aint no overzealous uber-christian....i curse, i lie, i do drugs....i'm a lawyer (which is prob the biggest sin)
Just as many blacks dont want Rev. Jackson/Sharpton to be the face of their movement, so should a religion be viewed seperately from the wackos who "preach" it.

thats all.

[badmonkey]

Why not they call themselves Christians, this not meant as a dig but a serious question

So you're saying that all muslims are barbaric, violent, nutjobs that are willing to blow themselves up in order to kill infidels because those that do call themselves muslims? Or is that different? or is it really just a small group of wackos that ruin the good name for the rest?

this is not meant as a dig but a serious question.

[midwestjeff]

Well I wake up in the morning fold my hands and pray for rain
Obama's got a head full of ideas and it's driving me insane
It's a shame the way they let him speak outdoors
Well I ain't going to listen to Obama's speeches no more.

[Drunky McBetidont]

don't worry epo has a plan to cover the stadium with a giant umbrella.

[booster11373]

So you're saying that all muslims are barbaric, violent, nutjobs that are willing to blow themselves up in order to kill infidels because those that do call themselves muslims? Or is that different? or is it really just a small group of wackos that ruin the good name for the rest?

this is not meant as a dig but a serious question.

I didn't say anything about Muslims and I fail to see how this fits into the discussion

Secondly this video was produced by Focus on the Family a christian group. If they call themselves Christian I'm inclined to take their word for it from what little research Ive done

The burden of proof is on them or "other" Christians to prove that they are or are not Christians as an Atheist I see either religious people or non-religious people I stopped trying to classify them

[dino_electropolis]

I didn't say anything about Muslims and I fail to see how this fits into the discussion

Secondly this video was produced by Focus on the Family a christian group. If they call themselves Christian I'm inclined to take their word for it from what little research Ive done

The burden of proof is on them or "other" Christians to prove that they are or are not Christians as an Atheist I see either religious people or non-religious people I stopped trying to classify them

Silly monkey (no offense, i mean, in your atheist eyes, we are just all monkeys)..... no one has to prove shit to you.

My religion comes down to my personal relationship with my God, not to proving it to....who are you again?

Stopped classifying, did ya? Hmmmm, thats unlike atheists to just stop searching for answers when they dont find answers they like.

actually, thats just like them
:innocent:

[badmonkey]

I didn't say anything about Muslims and I fail to see how this fits into the discussion

Secondly this video was produced by Focus on the Family a christian group. If they call themselves Christian I'm inclined to take their word for it from what little research Ive done

The burden of proof is on them or "other" Christians to prove that they are or are not Christians as an Atheist I see either religious people or non-religious people I stopped trying to classify them

It fits into the discussion because you are judging an entire religion based on the behavior of a small group of members. These people may be Christians, but their behavior is not representative of the majority of Christians. What's your stance on stereotypes or profiling? oh right... i remember... the burden of proof is on them to prove they are not.

[booster11373]

Silly monkey (no offense, i mean, in your atheist eyes, we are just all monkeys)..... no one has to prove shit to you.

My religion comes down to my personal relationship with my God, not to proving it to....who are you again?



actually, thats just like them
:innocent:


Fact check time

That video was produced by a Christian group

What your definition of "christian" is is entirely up to you

I never asked you to explain yourself you choose to do that or maybe it was pre-ordained:devil2:


this statement makes no sense to me

Stopped classifying, did ya? Hmmmm, thats unlike atheists to just stop searching for answers when they dont find answers they like.

are your implying that Athiests are closed minded? because we dont believe what comes from a ancient book? :devil2:

[Towelie]

Has no one ever given a speech in rain?

If anything a great speech looks even greater in the rain.

[MisterSmith]

obviously.


But belief/acceptance goes beyond sayin the words "i believe/accept". Belief alone, without living a christian life, doesnt suffice.

Hey, dont let my tattoo fool ya....i aint no overzealous uber-christian....i curse, i lie, i do drugs....i'm a lawyer (which is prob the biggest sin)
Just as many blacks dont want Rev. Jackson/Sharpton to be the face of their movement, so should a religion be viewed seperately from the wackos who "preach" it.

thats all.

That is not entirely true. Maybe in your Church that is the case, but that doesn't apply to all Christian Churches. Some believe that Faith alone is enough.

Although living a good is often expected, it is not a requirement for forgiveness or entrance into heaven. Legitimate Faith and repentance for sin is all you need.

And extremist Christians can do the same kind of damage that extremist Muslims can do to public perception. They might not represent all Christians, but it sure can look like it sometimes to an "outsider."

[booster11373]

It fits into the discussion because you are judging an entire religion based on the behavior of a small group of members. These people may be Christians, but their behavior is not representative of the majority of Christians. What's your stance on stereotypes or profiling? oh right... i remember... the burden of proof is on them to prove they are not.


Focus on the Family is a major power in the evangelical Christian movement. The most politically right Christians love to remind us that this is a Christian nation. I judge them by their leadership and their stated goals

[MisterSmith]

It fits into the discussion because you are judging an entire religion based on the behavior of a small group of members. These people may be Christians, but their behavior is not representative of the majority of Christians. What's your stance on stereotypes or profiling? oh right... i remember... the burden of proof is on them to prove they are not.

It may not be right, but it is an accepted social practice. Look at almost any group and you can find the same thing; stereotyping is nothing new and is largely accepted.

It is incredibly easy for a small part of a group to make the entire group look bad, be they religious zealots, anti-communists, greenie hippies, etc. It's a combo of people outside the group not understanding the whole and the "squeaky wheel" phenomenon.

[MisterSmith]

Silly monkey (no offense, i mean, in your atheist eyes, we are just all monkeys)..... no one has to prove shit to you.

My religion comes down to my personal relationship with my God, not to proving it to....who are you again?

Stopped classifying, did ya? Hmmmm, thats unlike atheists to just stop searching for answers when they dont find answers they like.

actually, thats just like them
:innocent:

By the way, you are doing the exact same thing you are accusing Dino of and throwing the word Atheist around like it means something dirty. Just because he doesn't believe what you or I do does not mean it is any less valid.

Looking at thing empirically, Christianity doesn't make a lot of sense. People believe in Christianity because they have faith in it's precepts. Just because somebody isn't able to find solace without empirical backup does not make their thoughts any less valid.

Face it, extremists are not often helpful in any social group. Life is grey and seeing only black or white will often horribly distort the picture.

[booster11373]

Monkeys

or

http://www.elharo.com/blog/images/monkees.jpg

[badmonkey]

It may not be right, but it is an accepted social practice. Look at almost any group and you can find the same thing; stereotyping is nothing new and is largely accepted.

It is incredibly easy for a small part of a group to make the entire group look bad, be they religious zealots, anti-communists, greenie hippies, etc. It's a combo of people outside the group not understanding the whole and the "squeaky wheel" phenomenon.

Yes, I'm aware that it happens. My point was that the extreme left-wing argument that all Christians are lunatics falls into the same category of horseshit with the extreme right-wing argument that all Muslims are terrorists. It's absurd to argue for one, while against the other. For some reason, I expected people in this forum to be more intelligent than that, but I guess irrational hatred is irrational hatred.

[Jughead]

I pray..I'm not ashamed to say so ... Shit I told everyone one here I sell cars for a living....That was not easy but I'm proud of my job and what I do for my customers.....But thumper s suck.......:smile:

[dino_electropolis]

That is not entirely true. Maybe in your Church that is the case, but that doesn't apply to all Christian Churches. Some believe that Faith alone is enough.

Although living a good is often expected, it is not a requirement for forgiveness or entrance into heaven. Legitimate Faith and repentance for sin is all you need.

And extremist Christians can do the same kind of damage that extremist Muslims can do to public perception. They might not represent all Christians, but it sure can look like it sometimes to an "outsider."

I dont know what the term Legitimate Faith means....and am having a hard time imagining a definition of it which does not include the act of living within the tenets of the religion. Maybe our churches differ in that regard.

[DarkHippie]

Focus on the Family is a major power in the evangelical Christian movement. The most politically right Christians love to remind us that this is a Christian nation. I judge them by their leadership and their stated goals

Which I always found odd since many of the founding fathers (Jefferson, Franklin, Paine, Adams, Madison, Hamilton, possibly Washington) all considered themselves Deists.

[MisterSmith]

Yes, I'm aware that it happens. My point was that the extreme left-wing argument that all Christians are lunatics falls into the same category of horseshit with the extreme right-wing argument that all Muslims are terrorists. It's absurd to argue for one, while against the other. For some reason, I expected people in this forum to be more intelligent than that, but I guess irrational hatred is irrational hatred.

I am not sure how you have taken it to this extreme. This is the comment that started the "argument" on this point:

Please dont mistake these morons with Christians.

And here was the response:

Why not they call themselves Christians, this not meant as a dig but a serious question

Although they are extremists, they are still Christians. Just as members of Al-Qaeda are an extremist group of Muslims.

Are each followers of their chosen religion? Yes.

Are each shining a poor light on what could be considered the mainstream of their religion? Yes.

The "attacks" in the thread started because some of the Christians in the thread apparently became offended by the extremist Christians being lumped in with mainstream Christianity.

Re-read the thread. The assertion that all Christians are lunatics is being presupposed by the Christians in the discussion. The only "negative Christian" posts were pointed directly at the extremist group, not Christianity in general.

Y'all are fighting about nothing.

[MisterSmith]

I dont know what the term Legitimate Faith means....and am having a hard time imagining a definition of it which does not include the act of living within the tenets of the religion. Maybe our churches differ in that regard.

I used legitimate instead of true or heartfelt. That's all I meant.

Look at "deathbed conversion" or somebody that finds God in prison or near the end of their life. They may have lived a life of sin, but if they have faith and repent, that person can be forgiven by God and enter heaven.

The concept is based in the crucifixion story. Jesus forgave the 2 murderers also being crucified at Calvary and stated that they could join him in heaven (obviously paraphrased).

And although I am currently a practicing Catholic, I have studied many different religions and versions of Christianity during the course of my education.

[EddieMoscone]

Has no one ever given a speech in rain?

If anything a great speech looks even greater in the rain.

Woodstock 1994 got better when it started to pour. Who didn't love Muddy NIN?

[dino_electropolis]

Fact check time

That video was produced by a Christian group

What your definition of "christian" is is entirely up to you

I never asked you to explain yourself you choose to do that or maybe it was pre-ordained:devil2:


this statement makes no sense to me

Stopped classifying, did ya? Hmmmm, thats unlike atheists to just stop searching for answers when they dont find answers they like.

are your implying that Athiests are closed minded? because we dont believe what comes from a ancient book? :devil2:

thanks for the fact check time.

An ancient book.
For someone who believes in nothing, any thing is unbelievable.
Which is why you wouldn't follow an ancient book.....

....or an ancient scroll....or an ancient story.

As a skeptic is not an atheist, Nothing is what you believe in.

If that is in fact the case, that you believe in nothing (spiritually speakin) then i sure as shit hope you are doin your thing man, with no moral reservation, grabbin life by the balls and acting on instict to survive (yeah, eat shit and fuck all day, maaaaaaan), livin to the fullest, lying, cheatin, cuz, hell.....there is nothing.

I know if had nothing to lose, i'd be doin the same.
But if your not..........how sad.

[DonInNC]

Funny how the anti-thumpers in this thread live in the South.

[ChimneyFish]

are your implying that Athiests are closed minded? because we dont believe what comes from a ancient book? :devil2:




I can't speak for him, but I have found that a lot of Athiests are closed minded in the same kind of way that religious people are closed minded, in that they refuse to accept any point of view other than their own.
Just as religious people have blind faith in their beliefs, Atheists tend to have blind faith in something that can never be completely proven or disproven.







And I'm not trying to speak in generalizations here, I'm just trying to keep this from becoming a short story instead of a post.:tongue:
I know that is not how all Atheists or all religious people are.

[ChimneyFish]

Woodstock 1994 got better when it started to pour. Who didn't love Muddy NIN?

Me, as I was busy tripping face and taking hits from a balloon and totally missed them.:thumbdown:

[MisterSmith]

thanks for the fact check time.

An ancient book.
For someone who believes in nothing, any thing is unbelievable.
Which is why you wouldn't follow an ancient book.....

....or an ancient scroll....or an ancient story.

As a skeptic is not an atheist, Nothing is what you believe in.

If that is in fact the case, that you believe in nothing (spiritually speakin) then i sure as shit hope you are doin your thing man, with no moral reservation, grabbin life by the balls and acting on instict to survive (yeah, eat shit and fuck all day, maaaaaaan), livin to the fullest, lying, cheatin, cuz, hell.....there is nothing.

I know if had nothing to lose, i'd be doin the same.
But if your not..........how sad.

Why are you attacking Atheists? There is no reason for it.

I respect Atheists a lot more than people who call themselves, or claim to be, Christians but act contrary to the precepts and spirit of the faith. Personally, I have met some of the worst people I have ever known in Church.

Atheist does not mean amoral, and you seem to be confusing that notion. Again, I have personally known Atheists that are extremely good and kind people.

An Atheist, by definition, is a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings. They can still believe in some type of "universal connection," but they don't believe there is an all-powerful being/beings that are responsible.

A person can follow basic social mores and laws which will ensure that they are a good person. A system of temporal punishment and reward can be just as effective as fear of spiritual damnation or promise of immortality/heaven.

[MisterSmith]

I can't speak for him, but I have found that a lot of Athiests are closed minded in the same kind of way that religious people are closed minded, in that they refuse to accept any point of view other than their own.
Just as religious people have blind faith in their beliefs, Atheists tend to have blind faith in something that can never be completely proven or disproven.


And I'm not trying to speak in generalizations here, I'm just trying to keep this from becoming a short story instead of a post.:tongue:
I know that is not how all Atheists or all religious people are.

Very good point, Sir. Some Atheists can be just as pigheaded as far-right Christians. They get stuck in the idea that "there is no God and people that think so are deluded and stupid." That can be extremely aggravating and is just as bad.

[dino_electropolis]

Why are you attacking Atheists? There is no reason for it.

I respect Atheists a lot more than people who call themselves, or claim to be, Christians but act contrary to the precepts and spirit of the faith. Personally, I have met some of the worst people I have ever known in Church.

Atheist does not mean amoral, and you seem to be confusing that notion. Again, I have personally known Atheists that are extremely good and kind people.

An Atheist, by definition, is a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings. They can still believe in some type of "universal connection," but they don't believe there is an all-powerful being/beings that are responsible.

A person can follow basic social mores and laws which will ensure that they are a good person. A system of temporal punishment and reward can be just as effective as fear of spiritual damnation or promise of immortality/heaven.

I havent attacked Atheists....at least, that wasnt my intent.

I havent confused the issue of morality and atheism. Morality has its foundations in God.

[DarkHippie]

I havent attacked Atheists....at least, that wasnt my intent.

I havent confused the issue of morality and atheism. Morality has its foundations in God.

No, Religious Morality has its foundation in God. Atheist Morality has its foundation in doing the right thing regardless of whether there is someone watching and judging them.

Athiests are just as moral as religious folk, they just don't need a reason to be.

[MisterSmith]

I havent attacked Atheists....at least, that wasnt my intent.

I havent confused the issue of morality and atheism. Morality has its foundations in God.

Not necessarily. The Western concept of social morality may draw largely from Judaic and Christian ideals, but not all morality has that basis.

Strictly speaking, morality is conformity to the rules of right conduct. Society at large chooses those rules, and they may or may not be based upon religious precepts.

Look at Japan for instance; their spiritual culture is predominantly centered on Shintoism and Buddhism. They have a very strict sense of social/public morality, but it is nontheistic and not based upon God.

[dino_electropolis]

No, Religious Morality has its foundation in God. Atheist Morality has its foundation in doing the right thing regardless of whether there is someone watching and judging them.

Athiests are just as moral as religious folk, they just don't need a reason to be.

Uhm, so what is right?

Against what is right-ness measured? What is the test which determines what right is?

Aetheists may argue to take one's god out of one's religion, but you cannot take god out of morality.
God is morality.
Its His code...not natural instinct.

The 5th Symphony is Beethoven's
The Mona Lisa is DaVicini's
Democracy is Cleisthenes'

Moral Code is God's.

Dont mean to sound curt, but this is not something that can be discussed thoroughly through message boards. :bye:

[DarkHippie]

Uhm, so what is right?

Against what is right-ness measured? What is the test which determines what right is?

Aetheists may argue to take one's god out of one's religion, but you cannot take god out of morality.
God is morality.
Its His code...not natural instinct.

The 5th Symphony is Beethoven's
The Mona Lisa is DaVicini's
Democracy is Cleisthenes'

Moral Code is God's.

Dont mean to sound curt, but this is not something that can be discussed thoroughly through message boards. :bye:

then how do you know that relgions follow the right moral code. What is right comes from your conscience, and that is not anything that religion can instill in you. I would trust someone who acts good because of their conscience rather than someone who needs to be told to act good

[epo]

Even after settling a great dispute,
some resentment is likely to remain.
Can this be considered a true settlement?

Only by cultivating the virtue of wholeness
and by returning injury with kindness
can there be true harmony.

[epo]

don't worry epo has a plan to cover the stadium with a giant umbrella.

That is the best laugh I've had all day. Thank you.

[scottinnj]

wow tolerant much

I wouldn't worry about Midkiff. I'm a bible-thumper, and I find him to be hysterical. Plus since he and I stick to our guns when we argue, it makes for some great debates.

[scottinnj]

Funny how the anti-thumpers in this thread live in the South.

I blame the snake-handlers.

[MisterSmith]

I blame the snake-handlers.

[Enter your own masturbation joke here]

:laugh:

[DonInNC]

I blame the snake-handlers.

It's a lot more subtle than that. At least the snake-handlers actually demonstrate their faith rather than just look down on those who don't give it lip service.

[booster11373]

Which I always found odd since many of the founding fathers (Jefferson, Franklin, Paine, Adams, Madison, Hamilton, possibly Washington) all considered themselves Deists.


I agree if we have to look for inspiration in the past I would claim we were a nation founded on Grecco-Roman Ideals

[booster11373]

I havent attacked Atheists....at least, that wasnt my intent.

I havent confused the issue of morality and atheism. Morality has its foundations in God.


Morality can not have a foundation in God, Morality existed before your God was believed in

[scottinnj]

But complaints from about a dozen Focus members convinced the organization to pull the video, said Tom Minnery, Focus Action vice president of public policy.




Linkey Linkey (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/aug/11/focus-action-pulls-video-asking-people-pray-rain-b/)

I guess they're not as nuts as first thought.

[PapaBear]

Hail size of canned ham. I bet David Letterman wishes he could come up with something like that.

[ahhdurr]

Who truly cares if ....

I do! I fucking do! I fucking care - I care a lot!

( I need a nap)

[Midkiff]

I wouldn't worry about Midkiff. I'm a bible-thumper, and I find him to be hysterical. Plus since he and I stick to our guns when we argue, it makes for some great debates.

Why thank you, kind sir.

[jonyrotn]

You fuckin people are nuts..I'm going back to the pussy fart thread..

[A.J.]

If the Christians bring the rain, then the hippie Democrats will just counter it with the rain chant that was used at Woodstock in '69.

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[ChimneyFish]

Morality can not have a foundation in God, Morality existed before your God was believed in

Based on the assumption that there is no "God", which has never been proven/disproven.

[booster11373]

Based on the assumption that there is no "God", which has never been proven/disproven.


Okay but didn't the Greeks have morality?

Didn't the Romans have morality?

Ancient Babylonian same thing

So on and so forth

Their polytheist gods didn't exist did they? They did not pray to the tribal god of desert dwellers yet they had morality

[Furtherman]

(no offense, i mean, in your atheist eyes, we are just all monkeys)

Incorrect and honestly, a glaring fact omission if you're going to have any kind of educated discussion of this god/atheist moral conundrum.

Humans have more in common with apes than monkeys. We didn't evolve from monkeys. We share a common ancestor with gorillas and chimpanzees. Somewhere around close to around 8 million years ago, the lineage split and we became hominids. Bi-pedal hominids.


I would trust someone who acts good because of their conscience rather than someone who needs to be told to act good

QFT.

[A.J.]

moral conundrum.

Oh no!

[Swannee]

Okay but didn't the Greeks have morality?

Didn't the Romans have morality?

Ancient Babylonian same thing

So on and so forth

Their polytheist gods didn't exist did they? They did not pray to the tribal god of desert dwellers yet they had morality

Christians believe that God has always existed. I know you do not believe this, but if God pre-dates everything else, where else would Christians believe morality came from other than God.

[ChimneyFish]

Okay but didn't the Greeks have morality?

Didn't the Romans have morality?

Ancient Babylonian same thing

So on and so forth

Their polytheist gods didn't exist did they? They did not pray to the tribal god of desert dwellers yet they had morality

Which is exactly my point.

Just saying that something "doesn't exist" does not make it so, just as saying something "exists" doesn't necessarily make it so.

Who's to say that a "God or "Gods" didn't exist back then????

Who's to say "God" even gives a flying fuck about our morality????

Who's to say that I haven't slept in 25 hours and I'm just babbling????

[booster11373]

Which is exactly my point.

Just saying that something "doesn't exist" does not make it so, just as saying something "exists" doesn't necessarily make it so.

Who's to say that a "God or "Gods" didn't exist back then????

Who's to say "God" even gives a flying fuck about our morality????

Who's to say that I haven't slept in 25 hours and I'm just babbling????

I think we might be on the same page here, still in response

Christians say that other gods don't exist

Christians are quick to tell us that their god is very very concerned about our morality hence their objection to gay marriage and abortion

I havent slept well the past week so I know what its like :smile:

[ChimneyFish]

I think we might be on the same page here, still in response

Christians say that other gods don't exist

Christians are quick to tell us that their god is very very concerned about our morality hence their objection to gay marriage and abortion

I havent slept well the past week so I know what its like :smile:

Agreed, but so is and was, every other religion pretty much.

And yes, the goofiness and dementia of insomnia are kicking in really hard know.:blink:

And I'm listening to Monday's show, where Earl is talking about how if Satan gets enough people on his side, then we can defeat God.:laugh: