Corporal Punishment in School is still legal?

[angrymissy]

WTF!? I had no idea they could still SPANK kids @ school...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/08/20/corporal.punishment/index.html

Corporal punishment in schools remains legal in 21 U.S. states and is used frequently in 13: Missouri, Kentucky, Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Tennessee and Florida, according to data received from the Office for Civil Rights at the U.S. Department of Education and cited in the report.

..... Andrea Cancellare said her then-13-year-old son was paddled -- or "swatted" -- three years ago for flicking rubber bands in class, despite the fact she had written a letter directing school officials in Alpine, Texas, not to use corporal punishment against him. School officials told her they could not find the letter when she complained.


Apparently you have to sign a waiver to opt out or they can beat your kid.

[mongothetrucker]

why am I not suprised that they are all hayseed states?

[BOY BOY]

i'm fucked

[A.J.]

"Corporal punishment discourages learning, fails to deter future misbehavior and at times even provokes it."

Yeah, there were a lot of school shootings and widespread poor academic performance back in my Dad's day when the nuns used to hit him for misbehaving.

[Thebazile78]

Yeah, there were a lot of school shootings and widespread poor academic performance back in my Dad's day when the nuns used to hit him for misbehaving.

But the nuns were WAY scarier than lay teachers.

They put the fear of God into you ... and if that didn't work, they described all the Dante-ian torments of Hell in store for you if you didn't repent.

On top of that, coming home to your Catholic parents probably meant that you were gonna get paddled some more for getting in trouble at school.

Different era, different attitudes, different circumstances.

[A.J.]

But the nuns were WAY scarier than lay teachers.

Catholic guilt....it lasts a lifetime.

[JPMNICK]

this goes back to that mentality that seems to be prevalent in the midwest and south where the fathers think because it was done to them and they turned out so great that it is ok to do it to their kids

[Thebazile78]

Catholic guilt....it lasts a lifetime.

Despite the fact that the Jews invented that kind of religious guilt, the Catholics took it to a whole new level. Then Vatican II happened and they've been repenting ever since.

You Protestants out there simply do NOT understand on the deep-seated, visceral level what it does to you.

(Incidentally, in my experience at Catholic grammar school, I was most terrified by my first grade teacher. Who was a lay teacher.)

[A.J.]

On top of that, coming home to your Catholic parents probably meant that you were gonna get paddled some more for getting in trouble at school.

When I was insolent, my grandmother would beat me with her rotary telephone.

[Freakshow]

When I was insolent, my grandmother would beat me with her rotary telephone.

Was there a burlap sack involved?

[A.J.]

Was there a burlap sack involved?

And meat helmets.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Is this such a bad thing? Kids are rotten little fucks who know when they're getting away with something and push shit to the limit. It's just fucking spanking, not a goddamn caning.

[angrymissy]

Is this such a bad thing? Kids are rotten little fucks who know when they're getting away with something and push shit to the limit. It's just fucking spanking, not a goddamn caning.

I don't think teachers should be doing it is my point.

Also - I don't think you should be required to "opt-out" if you don't want teachers hitting your kid.

[sailor]

i don't support it in public school, but think it's fine for catholic or other private schools.

[ChrisTheCop]

I'd like to see the stats of those schools vs states that dont allow it,
as far as grades, course completion and graduation are concerned.

Youll notice NY/NJ are not on the list.
We live here--dontcha think they could use a little paddling???

[weekapaugjz]

I don't think teachers should be doing it is my point.



Have you ever been in charge of a classroom? Though I'd never do it I sure as shit have wanted to several times.

[A.J.]

Have you ever been in charge of a classroom? Though I'd never do it I sure as shit have wanted to several times.

I have wanted to spank other people's bratty kids.

[angrymissy]

Have you ever been in charge of a classroom? Though I'd never do it I sure as shit have wanted to several times.

I don't think ANYONE besides a parent/relative should be disciplining a child in that manner.

[ChrisTheCop]

I don't think ANYONE besides a parent/relative should be disciplining a child in that manner.

So, homeschooling it is.

[angrymissy]

I'd like to see the stats of those schools vs states that dont allow it,
as far as grades, course completion and graduation are concerned.

Youll notice NY/NJ are not on the list.
We live here--dontcha think they could use a little paddling???

http://www.statemaster.com/graph/edu_bes_edu_ind-education-best-educated-index

#1 Vermont: 17.58
#2 Connecticut: 15.88
#3 Massachusetts: 14.48
#4 New Jersey: 12.55
#5 Maine: 9.33
#6 Minnesota: 8.97
#7 Virginia: 8.47
#8 Wisconsin: 8.45
#9 Montana: 8.3
#10 New York: 7.53
#11 Pennsylvania: 6.76
#12 Nebraska: 6.55
#13 Kansas: 4.79
#14 Iowa: 4.75
#15 New Hampshire: 4.59
#16 Rhode Island: 3.11
#17 Wyoming: 2.39
#18 South Dakota: 2.29
#19 Maryland: 2.23
#20 North Dakota: 2.06
#21 Missouri: 1.93
#22 North Carolina: 1.68
#23 Colorado: -0.32
#24 Texas: -0.44
#25 Delaware: -0.93
#26 Indiana: -1.34
#27 Michigan: -1.41
#28 Idaho: -1.46
#29 South Carolina: -2.15
#30 Washington: -2.17
#31 Ohio: -2.73
#32 Illinois: -3.07
#33 Utah: -3.69
#34 West Virginia: -3.77
#35 Kentucky: -4.28
#36 Florida: -4.41
#37 Arkansas: -5.19
#38 Oregon: -7.43
#39 Oklahoma: -7.74
#40 Georgia: -8.04
#41 Tennessee: -8.48
#42 Hawaii: -9.67
#43 Alabama: -11.11
#44 Alaska: -11.25
#45 Louisiana: -11.56
#46 California: -12.57
#47 Nevada: -13.11
#48 New Mexico: -13.37
#49 Mississippi: -14.31
#50 Arizona: -17.81

[ChrisTheCop]

Thanks for doing your homework Missy.
(You shall be spared a spanking).

Well, that certainly answered my question....

Damn...


Well, I still think kids these days need more discipline.


...or something.

[angrymissy]

Thanks for doing your homework Missy.
(You shall be spared a spanking).

Well, that certainly answered my question....

Damn...

Well, I still think kids these days need more discipline.

...or something.

They do, but not doled out by teachers... I'm not going to listen more to a teacher that fucking paddles me.

Mississippi uses corporal punishment the most, and are ranked #49 in education. It's obviously not working.

For the record - I hate bratty kids too!

[jonyrotn]

i'm fucked
No fuckin way!
Now that's corporal punishment ghetto style! where did you go to school, Oz or some kinda baby prison?

[A.J.]

I don't think teachers should be doing it is my point.

How about our military leaders?

http://neveryetmelted.com/wp-images/PattonSlap.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, there were a lot of school shootings and widespread poor academic performance back in my Dad's day when the nuns used to hit him for misbehaving.

Seems a bit of stretch to apply the circumstances of private catholic schools, where there still isn't a lot of school violence and widespread declining academic performance, to the cicumstances of modern public schools.

[ChrisTheCop]

I don't think ANYONE besides a parent/relative should be disciplining a child in that manner.

It takes a village.

[A.J.]

Seems a bit of stretch to apply the circumstances of private catholic schools, where there still isn't a lot of school violence and widespread declining academic performance, to the cicumstances of modern public schools.

See??? Guilt and corporal punishment make you work harder! Bring the nuns to the public schools and watch our children shine!

[Furtherman]

Once you rape a nun, the guilt goes away. It's like a miracle, I swear to god.

[A.J.]

So THAT'S the antidote, huh?

[Thebazile78]

How about our military leaders?

http://neveryetmelted.com/wp-images/PattonSlap.jpg

That caused a stink even on The Simpsons:

Battle simulator. Kids run past an angry dog.

Bart: What's the matter with you, soldier!
Boy: It's my nerves, sir. I just can't stand the barking any more.
Bart: Your nerves! [slaps the kid] I won't have cowards in my army.
Grampa: [whaps Bart] Sorry, Bart.
You can push them out of a plane, you can march them off a cliff,
you can send them off to die on some God-forsaken rock, but for
some reason you can't slap them.

[Thebazile78]

See??? Guilt and corporal punishment make you work harder! Bring the nuns to the public schools and watch our children shine!

You've heard the one about the kid who's flunking classes in public school, so his parents sent him to Catholic school where he dramatically improves.

His parents want to know where the improvement comes from - "are the nuns stricter than your other teachers? What's the difference?"

The kid answers, completely deadpan, "They are really serious about school; the first day I walked in there, they had a guy nailed to a plus sign."

[badmonkey]

They do, but not doled out by teachers... I'm not going to listen more to a teacher that fucking paddles me.

Mississippi uses corporal punishment the most, and are ranked #49 in education. It's obviously not working.

For the record - I hate bratty kids too!

While I'm certain CNN has done all their research and are as usual completely flawless in their reporting, but I remember when the public schools that I went to in Biloxi, Mississippi effectively stopped "paddling" students when i was in about the 8th or 9th grade. My parents never sent an opt out letter for me, although I was pretty well behaved at school. The students always had the choice of "taking licks" or detention even before that. I guarantee that the level of corporal punishment these kids are actually getting in all these states is laughable among the students. "They're beating our kids!!!" Give it a rest. Nobody's giving little Johnny Asshole anywhere near the asswhipping he needs.

"The highest percentage of students receiving corporal punishment was in Mississippi, with 7.5 percent of students."

OMG! 7.5%!! It's the holocaust all over again!!!

[angrymissy]

While I'm certain CNN has done all their research and are as usual completely flawless in their reporting, but I remember when the public schools that I went to in Biloxi, Mississippi effectively stopped "paddling" students when i was in about the 8th or 9th grade. My parents never sent an opt out letter for me, although I was pretty well behaved at school. The students always had the choice of "taking licks" or detention even before that. I guarantee that the level of corporal punishment these kids are actually getting in all these states is laughable among the students. "They're beating our kids!!!" Give it a rest. Nobody's giving little Johnny Asshole anywhere near the asswhipping he needs.

"The highest percentage of students receiving corporal punishment was in Mississippi, with 7.5 percent of students."

OMG! 7.5%!! It's the holocaust all over again!!!

Personally I don't think it should be .008%.

What about kids who get their ass kicked at home, then have to go to school and get their ass kicked by the teacher too?

[Furtherman]

What about kids who get their ass kicked at home, then have to go to school and get their ass kicked by the teacher too?

http://img.quizgalaxy.com/bender.jpg

Yea, what about ME!?

[badmonkey]

I am a parent. I've got two children. They get spanked at home. This happens very very rarely as I HATE doing it, but I'm not going to raise them to be little disrespectful pieces of shit with no discipline that grow up to be a drain on society. If they are misbehaving in school and three swats on the ass corrects it, then call me and then by all means swat them. They're going to deal with me as well when they get home. But like I said at the beginning... "I'm a parent." There's a lot of children in school that don't even have one "parent" or other source of example or discipline. Why should those children be denied that from the community they live in?

[angrymissy]

I am a parent. I've got two children. They get spanked at home. This happens very very rarely as I HATE doing it, but I'm not going to raise them to be little disrespectful pieces of shit with no discipline that grow up to be a drain on society. If they are misbehaving in school and three swats on the ass corrects it, then call me and then by all means swat them. They're going to deal with me as well when they get home. But like I said at the beginning... "I'm a parent." There's a lot of children in school that don't even have one "parent" or other source of example or discipline. Why should those children be denied that from the community they live in?

If you want to spank them - fine.

If you want to give the school permission to swat them, I don't agree with it - but that's your right as a parent.

If the school is requiring parents to sign a waiver to OPT OUT (rather than OPT IN) - and disregarding waivers on file - NOT FINE.

I think I got spanked maybe twice in my life. But I also knew kids that got the crap kicked out of them - I feel that bringing corporal violence to the schools is not helpful to children in that situation... who the hell are they supposed to trust to not kick the shit out of them?

[badmonkey]

If you want to spank them - fine.

If you want to give the school permission to swat them, I don't agree with it - but that's your right as a parent.

If the school is requiring parents to sign a waiver to OPT OUT (rather than OPT IN) - and disregarding waivers on file - NOT FINE.

I think I got spanked maybe twice in my life. But I also knew kids that got the crap kicked out of them - I feel that bringing corporal violence to the schools is not helpful to children in that situation... who the hell are they supposed to trust to not kick the shit out of them?

Those kids are the ones you see leaving the principal's office laughing and rubbing their asses afterwards. They are the ones that choose licks because it's over quickly, doesn't hurt their body as much as their egos, and the abusive parent doesn't have to come pick them up after school because the bus don't run after detention. The kids that are "getting their asses kicked" at home get it worse when their abusive parents are inconvenienced due to their behavior issues at school, or they aren't rocking the boat at school.

Spanking is different in every home all over the world. Some kids get 3 licks, some 5 licks, some get 3-5 minutes of UFC action. That maybe part of why we disagree. Your experiences with spankings vs. my experiences. In schools that I have attended in the south, it's pretty standard 3 licks with a ping pong paddle and it's probably not as hard as your friends have slapped your sunburned back as a joke when you were growing up. I'm not against kids being paddled in school, because I know what they are doing and it's a far cry from being "taken out behind the woodshed". If a parent is unsure about what the corporal punishment is at their school, they can always meet with the principal and ask.

At home, I was spanked somewhere between 5 licks and a UFC PayPerView event. I don't recommend that for anybody. I think parents should have the right to spank at home, and choose whether or not to have their kids spanked in school. I don't see the issue with opting out as it's usually a standard form that the parents fill out for school along with a lot of other paperwork. If you are a kid in school and your mom checks the "don't spank my kid" box, make sure you give that to somebody at the school or make sure that you're not acting like a juvenile delinquent in class.

[AKA]

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