Large Hadron Collider To Be Fired Up Again

[Judge Smails]

I've been reading up on this Large Hadron Collider and I admit that most of it is wayyyy over my head. I'm looking forward to Mike the Teacher chiming in and putting my mind at ease. If you're not familiar with the LHC, you can read up on it HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider).

Basically it is a huge particle accelerator that's been under construction in Switzerland since 1994 at a cost of of close to $10 billion. It is the largest machine ever built in history. It's a huge, circular underground tunnel with a 17 mile circumference. And it will be turned on for the first time on September 10th.

As I mentioned I'm not going to pretend to understand all of the physics involved but basically they'll shoot protons in opposite directions and they'll speed around the 17 mile tube and meet at some point where the force of the collision will release something called a "God particle" that will help scientists figure out a bunch of things about how gravity works and other stuff that I'm too dense to grasp.

This all sounds great - right? Except that there are some serious scientists out there who are not sure that this is all such a good idea:


However, opponents fear the machine, which will smash pieces of atoms together at high speed and generate temperatures of more than a trillion degrees centigrade, may create a mini-black hole that could tear the earth apart.

*****

"My own calculations have shown that it is quite plausible that these little black holes survive and will grow exponentially and eat the planet from the inside. I have been calling for CERN to hold a safety conference to prove my conclusions wrong but they have not been willing. "


There have been legal battles in both the US and Europe (Story here) (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/2650665/Legal-bid-to-stop-CERN-atom-smasher-from-destroying-the-world.html) to try and stop them from turning this thing on. However, as of right now they are on schedule to flip the switch on this thing on Wednesday. Pretty interesting and potentially scary stuff if you hadn't heard.

In closing I'd like to say: We're here! We're queer! We may very well all disappear! It's been nice knowing you. Ahhhh Thhhhhannnnk you!

[scottinnj]

There was a lot of debate over testing the atom bomb. A lot of people believed the initial fission reaction would set off a chain reaction that would exponentially obliberate the entire Earth into protons.


When I was in school, I always wondered about what makes up electrons, the nucleus and so forth. I'm impressed these scientists are calling these bits of matter the "God particle"
I've always believed that there is an order to things set up by God, and even atoms show this-the small amounts of gravity and energy that work together to keep the atom together as a whole, yet it has the ability to transfer electrons at will to transmit energy among each other when they are bonded together as molecules.

This should be fascinating. I can't wait to hear what the results are.

[Friday]

so many words

:wacko:

[Judge Smails]

so many words

:wacko:

Cliffs Notes: Don't bother paying any bills until Thursday - just in case.

[midwestjeff]

I feel fine.

[epo]

I feel fine.

I have no doubt that you will survive the apocalypse. :bye:

[K.C.]

I feel fine.

Six o'clock - TV hour. Don't get caught in foreign tower. Slash and burn,
return, listen to yourself churn. Lock him in uniform and book burning,
blood letting. Every motive escalate. Automotive incinerate. Light a candle,
light a motive. Step down, step down. Watch a heel crush, crush. Uh oh,
this means no fear - cavalier. Renegade and steer clear! A tournament,
a tournament, a tournament of lies. Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives
and I decline.

[Judge Smails]

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper

- T.S. Eliot

[thepaulo]

There is no God.....
particle.




(but seriously....they could create a black hole and swallow the universe.)

[TNABuffalo]

There was a lot of debate over testing the atom bomb. A lot of people believed the initial fission reaction would set off a chain reaction that would exponentially obliberate the entire Earth into protons.


When I was in school, I always wondered about what makes up electrons, the nucleus and so forth. I'm impressed these scientists are calling these bits of matter the "God particle"
I've always believed that there is an order to things set up by God, and even atoms show this-the small amounts of gravity and energy that work together to keep the atom together as a whole, yet it has the ability to transfer electrons at will to transmit energy among each other when they are bonded together as molecules.

This should be fascinating. I can't wait to hear what the results are.

nuclear force keeps atoms together not gravity. different forces.

..........



(but seriously....they could create a black hole and swallow the universe.)

Possible but very very unlikely. Amazingly, what can also happen is nothing. Literally nothing.

[Foster]

I read this book by Douglas Preston a few months ago; the story revolves around this exact situation. I enjoyed it, give it a read.



http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n47/n239583.jpg

[TNABuffalo]

I read this book by Douglas Preston a few months ago; the story revolves around this exact situation. I enjoyed it, give it a read.



http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n47/n239583.jpg

short idea of it?

and is it religion based or science?

[Dan 'Hampton]

If time travel is possible we'll have visitors when this is up and running.....

[ahhdurr]

There is no God.....
particle.




(but seriously....they could create a black hole and swallow the universe.)

Does anyone else have a rod...?

<a href = "http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080907/ap_on_re_eu/big_bang_machine">
This was posted on this story today</a>
<br>
This does smack of a few kids in the yard playing with matches and "red sticks" they found though.

[Mike Teacher]

Dont hold your breath for me.

The last email request to be on the show that got an answer was in June.

[SatCam]

If it doesnt work, we'll just put it in a sarcophagus



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/Chernobylreactor_1.jpg

[DolaMight]

Mr bennington's office

please ho

what en ov da wo?

black ho

ok

please ho

[DolaMight]

i wanted to read the whole thread, i'm sure it's important, but I lost interest fast when scott bakula's name was not mentioned. Sorry judge pigtails.

[BlackSpider]

Frank the rabbit told me that the end of the world was in 28 days, 6 hours, 42 minutes, and 12 seconds...

[Recyclerz]

Frank the rabbit told me that the end of the world was in 28 days, 6 hours, 42 minutes, and 12 seconds...

Still wearin' the stupid man suit, are ya? :wink:

[Devo37]

apparently we've got a month-long reprieve. the LHC will be fired up this month, but the traffic will only be one way. there won't be any collisions until October.

[Furtherman]

apparently we've got a month-long reprieve. the LHC will be fired up this month, but the traffic will only be one way. there won't be any collisions until October.



Damn. I was going to party like it was the end of the world tonight.

[disneyspy]

anybody ever read angels and demons by dan brown?the exisistence of God woulda been provin tommorow,dammit

[Freitag]

I'm hoping this will turn us all into Dr. Manhattan.

[Furtherman]

Here is an excellent video of how it all works. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7543089.stm)

My guess.... "The Grid" becomes self aware.

[ladyface]

If I watch that, will my life come to an abrupt halt?

[Recyclerz]

If I watch that, will my life come to an abrupt halt?

Sooner or later. :wink:

[scottinnj]

Possible but very very unlikely. Amazingly, what can also happen is nothing. Literally nothing.



Dr. Hawking seems to agree with you (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080909150154.yzfml9cn&show_article=1). Interesting article

[DiabloSammich]

Relax, and let the soothing English voice of Brian Cox, former keyboardist for '80s synth pop group D:Ream, now nuclear physicist, explain why you have nothing to worry about...

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Say what you want, the whole thing is goddamn fascinating.

[Jughead]

Four numbers 2012....:unsure:

[thepaulo]

http://news.aol.com/article/10-billion-science-project-to-launch/167810

You got a few hours left.....before the end.......
what cha gonna do?

[patsopinion]

this is all an excersize in futility

its all anarchy and were just living in it
there are no answers

btw 7utc is 10 am eastern time
so we'll miss ron and fez if any of those particles accelerate .000000001 percent over predicted speed

[patsopinion]

Dr. Hawking seems to agree with you (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080909150154.yzfml9cn&show_article=1). Interesting article

yaaay string theory!
my favorite


ey earl
we got any string theory back there?

[TNABuffalo]

Dr. Hawking seems to agree with you (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080909150154.yzfml9cn&show_article=1). Interesting article

Of course he does, we email each other all the time.

[ahhdurr]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080910/ap_on_sc/big_bang

Well we'er still here. Fuck.

On a lighter note - I can't wait for the mutuations to begin.

"I remember back in my day - a LHC took up the whole room ... nowadays - they're so small they fit in your pocket. Hehe."

String theory - fuckin' starvin'.

[nate1000]

Well we'er still here. Fuck.


They've only shot a single stream of protons in one direction around the circuit so far. The real fun starts Oct. 21, when they're scheduled to start slamming shit together. You've got almost 6 weeks- make the most of it.

[ahhdurr]

They've only shot a single stream of protons in one direction around the circuit so far. The real fun starts Oct. 21, when they're scheduled to start slamming shit together. You've got almost 6 weeks- make the most of it.

Thanks for the tip. Single stream of protons - psht! I do that in my basement.

[TheMojoPin]

I fully support the coming of our new Boom Tube overlords. HAIL DARKSEID.

[A.J.]

I beat cancer.

[ahhdurr]

haha.
<img src = "http://www.geocities.com/paperbag3/boomtubers.bmp">
www.
I fully support the coming of our new Boom Tube overlords.

[ahhdurr]

I beat cancer.

Stay Gold AJ (http://www.hallmark.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ecard%7C10001%7C10051%7C612386%7C147551;-102001;11441;81053%7Cecard%7CP1R4S%7Cnull/HallmarkStore/Membership/hallmark.com/ecard/holiday/christmas/leaf?&totalCategories=4&sortBySelect=&categoryId=81053)
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[cougarjake13]

get fucking hippos in here and proclaim that this will be a rousing success

[Judge Smails]

Indian girl commits suicide over 'Big Bang' fear (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26641652/)

A teenage girl in central India killed herself on Wednesday after being traumatized by media reports that a "Big Bang" experiment in Europe could bring about the end of the world, her father said.

The 16-year old girl from the state of Madhya Pradesh drank pesticide and was rushed to the hospital but later died, police said.

Her father, identified on local television (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26641652/#) as Biharilal, said that his daughter, Chayya, killed herself after watching doomsday predictions made on Indian news programs.



I would like to take this opportunity to appologize to the family of this young girl for my part in adding to the hysteria. It turns out we have until October before everything goes kablooey!


VIDEO FROM THE FUTURE:


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[Zorro]

I beat cancer.

<----cancer surgery 6/21/07....while someone was getting married. So far so good.

[Furtherman]

This webpage has some pretty amazing pix of the Hadron Collider. (http://dvice.com/archives/2008/09/exploring_the_l.php) It really does look right out of a sci-fi movie.

http://dvice.com/galleries/CERNLHC30Gal/CERN-LHC-Gallery-25.jpg

http://dvice.com/galleries/CERNLHC30Gal/CERN-LHC-Gallery-06.jpg

[midwestjeff]

So what the fuck am I supposed to do with these dead hookers now?

I don't know if I can keep them in my bathtub until October.

[brettmojo]

So what the fuck am I supposed to do with these dead hookers now?

I don't know if I can keep them in my bathtub until October.
http://www.triroc.com/caroladams/images/slideshow10.jpg

[disneyspy]

This webpage has some pretty amazing pix of the Hadron Collider. (http://dvice.com/archives/2008/09/exploring_the_l.php) It really does look right out of a sci-fi movie.

http://dvice.com/galleries/CERNLHC30Gal/CERN-LHC-Gallery-25.jpg

http://dvice.com/galleries/CERNLHC30Gal/CERN-LHC-Gallery-06.jpg

the 1st pic looked like SG1,the 2nd looked like porno once the machines take over

[scottinnj]

They've only shot a single stream of protons in one direction around the circuit so far.

I just hope they remember to never cross the streams.
http://www.electricpig.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/ghostbusters.jpg


Yeah, I went there.

[cougarjake13]

I just hope they remember to never cross the streams.
http://www.electricpig.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/ghostbusters.jpg


Yeah, I went there.



it was obvious and neccessary

[keithy_19]

Dr. Hawking seems to agree with you (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080909150154.yzfml9cn&show_article=1). Interesting article

Hawking, the 66-year-old Lucasian Professor of Mathematics at Cambridge University, was diagnosed with the muscle-wasting motor neuron disease at the age of 22.

He is in a wheelchair and speaks with the aid of a computer and voice synthesiser.

It seems a bit unnecessary to add that tid bit at the end of the article. But hey, whatever.

[SatCam]

It seems a bit unnecessary to add that tid bit at the end of the article. But hey, whatever.

I dont even think they said what the "muscle-wasting motor neuron disease" was

[Furtherman]

LHC Compact Muon Solenoid Experiment Webcams. (http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html)

There are a lot of scientists there. Running all over the place. Click to keep an eye on them.

[nate1000]

LHC Compact Muon Solenoid Experiment Webcams. (http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html)

There are a lot of scientists there. Running all over the place. Click to keep an eye on them.

that is awesome.

[fezident]

Hey Buddays,
I'm a little late to this party.
What are the military applications for this technology? And... who is presently profiting from all this R&D? Is this privatized?

I can't wait to read all aboot this. Love it.

[badmonkey]

This webpage has some pretty amazing pix of the Hadron Collider. (http://dvice.com/archives/2008/09/exploring_the_l.php) It really does look right out of a sci-fi movie.

http://dvice.com/galleries/CERNLHC30Gal/CERN-LHC-Gallery-25.jpg

http://dvice.com/galleries/CERNLHC30Gal/CERN-LHC-Gallery-06.jpg

That's not what mine looks like.

[ahhdurr]

Indian girl commits suicide over 'Big Bang' fear (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26641652/)




I would like to take this opportunity to appologize to the family of this young girl for my part in adding to the hysteria. It turns out we have until October before everything goes kablooey!


VIDEO FROM THE FUTURE:


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YEEEEAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

can't wait.

Wonder where we'll end up?

Maybe just switch places with Earth 2.

[Judge Smails]

The world's largest particle collider malfunctioned within hours of its launch to great fanfare, but its operator didn't report the problem for a week. (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jb-KYaSJaMqYK4MtY2C2FmcmOl2QD939CCSG0)


When the transformer malfunctioned, operating temperatures rose from below 2 Kelvin to 4.5 Kelvin — extraordinarily cold by most standards, but warmer than the normal operating temperature.

CERN had not reported any problems with the project since its launch Sept. 10, but issued its statement shortly after The Associated Press called asking about rumors of troubles.

[TheMojoPin]

The world's largest particle collider malfunctioned within hours of its launch to great fanfare, but its operator didn't report the problem for a week. (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jb-KYaSJaMqYK4MtY2C2FmcmOl2QD939CCSG0)

Seems like problems along those lines means the thing would just break and not cause "the end."

[Judge Smails]

Seems like problems along those lines means the thing would just break and not cause "the end."

Dude, the thing went up 2.5 Kelvin! 2.5 KELVIN!!!
I'm going upstairs and killing my family in their sleep to spare them the pain of the coming apocalypse.

[ecobag2]

I got to turn on a Hadron Collider (http://physics.about.com/b/2009/02/19/tom-hanks-to-turn-on-large-hadron-collider.htm) on account o' I got shot in the buttocks.

[Furtherman]

Tom Hanks will bring about the end of days.

It has been written.

[Judge Smails]

Remember the time they got Billy West to do it?

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[nate1000]

The world's largest particle collider malfunctioned within hours of its launch to great fanfare, but its operator didn't report the problem for a week. (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jb-KYaSJaMqYK4MtY2C2FmcmOl2QD939CCSG0)

OMG:
http://www.thetechherald.com/article.php/200914/3354/CERN-admits-black-hole-ripped-in-space-by-Large-Hadron-Collider

[Judge Smails]

OMG:
http://www.thetechherald.com/article.php/200914/3354/CERN-admits-black-hole-ripped-in-space-by-Large-Hadron-Collider

April 1st date huh? Oh Lordy!!! I scare o' the Goofa Man!

[nate1000]

April 1st date huh? Oh Lordy!!! I scare o' the Goofa Man!

rooon-er

[Dougie Brootal]

it was kinda obvious though nate...

[Furtherman]

The Collider, the Particle and a Theory About Fate (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/science/space/13lhc.html?_r=3&pagewanted=all)

The Large Hadron Collider is going to be fired up again... or will it?

Check out this cool theory:

More than a year after an explosion of sparks, soot and frigid helium shut it down, the world’s biggest and most expensive physics experiment, known as the Large Hadron Collider, is poised to start up again. In December, if all goes well, protons will start smashing together in an underground racetrack outside Geneva in a search for forces and particles that reigned during the first trillionth of a second of the Big Bang.

Then it will be time to test one of the most bizarre and revolutionary theories in science. I’m not talking about extra dimensions of space-time, dark matter or even black holes that eat the Earth. No, I’m talking about the notion that the troubled collider is being sabotaged by its own future. A pair of otherwise distinguished physicists have suggested that the hypothesized Higgs boson, which physicists hope to produce with the collider, might be so abhorrent to nature that its creation would ripple backward through time and stop the collider before it could make one, like a time traveler who goes back in time to kill his grandfather.

The Higgs boson is also known as the "god particle". It would be closest we can see to the beginning of the universe's creation.

I can't wait to see what happens!

[boosterp]

:blink: Back in time?

[Furtherman]

:blink: Back in time?

Yep. Anit-matter particles are just particles that are traveling back in time.

Ya gotta read Michio Kaku's Physics Of The Impossible. He lays it all out very understandable.

[topless_mike]

The Collider, the Particle and a Theory About Fate (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/science/space/13lhc.html?_r=3&pagewanted=all)

The Large Hadron Collider is going to be fired up again... or will it?

Check out this cool theory:



The Higgs boson is also known as the "god particle". It would be closest we can see to the beginning of the universe's creation.

I can't wait to see what happens!

fired up again IN DECEMBER, eh?
maybe 12/21 ?

[TheMojoPin]

:blink: Back in time?

Or maybe even back...TO THE FUTURE!!!

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[TheMojoPin]

fired up again IN DECEMBER, eh?
maybe 12/21 ?

What's the big deal about 12/21? I thought 12/12/12 was the doomsday date getting retards' stained undies in a bunch.

[thepaulo]

I wish someone from the future would bring me next Sunday's newspaper.

[topless_mike]

What's the big deal about 12/21? I thought 12/12/12 was the doomsday date getting retards' stained undies in a bunch.

nothing.
i'm just throwing wood into the fire of the skeptics / naysayers / wackadoodles.

[boosterp]

Yep. Anit-matter particles are just particles that are traveling back in time.

Ya gotta read Michio Kaku's Physics Of The Impossible. He lays it all out very understandable.

I wonder if they can launch me in one of those things then, I have some stock picks and a lotto number to give myself in 1993.

[thepaulo]

nothing.
i'm just throwing wood into the fire of the skeptics / naysayers / wackadoodles.

I'm not a naysayer but I may be a wackadoodle.

[Furtherman]

I wonder if they can launch me in one of those things then, I have some stock picks and a lotto number to give myself in 1993.

The nature of time and physics would only allow you to send information back to when you turned on a time machine. At least that's what we know so far.

[Snoogans]

What's the big deal about 12/21? I thought 12/12/12 was the doomsday date getting retards' stained undies in a bunch.

cause people are retarded. It had to do with the winter solstice, which falls on 12/21. Hollywood made up 12/12/12

[Kevin]

cause people are retarded. It had to do with the winter solstice, which falls on 12/21. Hollywood made up 12/12/12



I forgot where i heard it, but i found it funny.

Maybe the Mayans just ran out of rock to write on and had to stop at that date.

[JohnCharles]

I forgot where i heard it, but i found it funny.

Maybe the Mayans just ran out of rock to write on and had to stop at that date.

You think the same people who preformed human sacrifice would run out of rock?

Chances are that the rest of the calendar is on the inside of an ancient pot.

[Furtherman]

I forgot where i heard it, but i found it funny.

Maybe the Mayans just ran out of rock to write on and had to stop at that date.

Thanks. (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1598304&postcount=2)

Maybe our sun has completed another turn of the Milky Way. Maybe we're gonna come in contact with giant debris cloud and be pummeled with meteors. Maybe we'll be in the way of that huge solar flare.

Maybe the Mayans just ran out of rock to carve on.

[JohnCharles]

Anywho, how long will the large science project work this time??

[foodcourtdruide]

I bet we all have flashforwards.

[drjoek]

Who else but me thinks Judge Smails slaved over the decision to title this thread


Large Hard on Collider To Be Fired Up Again

[thepaulo]

I go with a Sliders concept of an infinite number of universes with us in it.

[topless_mike]

maybe we'll finally find out what is meat is in a white castle burger...

[CountryBob]

I hope they open a dorway into another diminsion like in THE MIST - we need something cool to happen in the world instead of economy news and Afganistan bullshit.

[boosterp]

The nature of time and physics would only allow you to send information back to when you turned on a time machine. At least that's what we know so far.

And to think of all the time I wasted studying the biological sciences.

Anywho, how long will the large science project work this time??

I give it a week.

[Devo37]

it's possible that the LHC is being sabotaged by its own future. (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/science/space/13lhc.html?_r=2)

[Furtherman]

it's possible that the LHC is being sabotaged by its own future. (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/science/space/13lhc.html?_r=2)



You can't even go back a little in this thread, let alone go back in time.

[Crispy123]

theres a glitch in the matrix

[Crispy123]

theres a glitch in the matrix

[Devo37]

You can't even go back a little in this thread, let alone go back in time.

my post rippled back in time resulting in someone else posting the same link yesterday.

that's my theory.

[Furtherman]

my post rippled back in time resulting in someone else posting the same link yesterday.

that's my theory.



Then someone will post here from tomorrow.... or... today, but it will only be seen tomorrow.


We're doomed.

[debit]

What if all the Large Hadron Collider's recent woes are more than bad luck and technical problems? Two noted physicists speculate that the future may be pushing back on the LHC to avert the disaster of observing the Higgs boson.

The quest to observe the Higgs boson has certainly been plagued by its share of troubles, from the cancellation of the Superconducting Supercollider in 1993 to the Large Hadron Collider's streak of technical troubles. In fact, the projects have suffered such bad luck that Holger Bech Nielsen of the Niels Bohr Institute in Copenhagen and Masao Ninomiya of the Yukawa Institute for Theoretical Physics in Kyoto wonder if it isn't bad luck at all, but future influences rippling back to sabotage them. In papers like "Test of Effect From Future in Large Hadron Collider: a Proposal" and "Search for Future Influence From LHC," they put forth the notion that observing the Higgs boson would be such an abhorrent event that the future is actually trying to prevent it from happening.

"It must be our prediction that all Higgs producing machines shall have bad luck," Dr. Nielsen said in an e-mail message. In an unpublished essay, Dr. Nielson said of the theory, "Well, one could even almost say that we have a model for God." It is their guess, he went on, "that He rather hates Higgs particles, and attempts to avoid them."

Nielsen and Ninomiya recognize that the theory sounds pretty crazy and that other projects involving a lot of delicate technology — such as the Hubble Telescope — have gone through their own periods of apparent bad luck. But their theory — wild as it is — is situated in current research in theoretical physics and time travel. If the observation of the Higgs boson would result in calamity, they claim it isn't outside the realm of possibility that someone from our future might exert influence on our time to stop it:

While it is a paradox to go back in time and kill your grandfather, physicists agree there is no paradox if you go back in time and save him from being hit by a bus. In the case of the Higgs and the collider, it is as if something is going back in time to keep the universe from being hit by a bus. Although just why the Higgs would be a catastrophe is not clear. If we knew, presumably, we wouldn't be trying to make one.

[EliSnow]

What if all the Large Hadron Collider's recent woes are more than bad luck and technical problems? Two noted physicists speculate that the future may be pushing back on the LHC to avert the disaster of observing the Higgs boson.

The quest to observe the Higgs boson has certainly been plagued by its share of troubles, from the cancellation of the Superconducting Supercollider in 1993 to the Large Hadron Collider's streak of technical troubles. In fact, the projects have suffered such bad luck that Holger Bech Nielsen of the Niels Bohr Institute in Copenhagen and Masao Ninomiya of the Yukawa Institute for Theoretical Physics in Kyoto wonder if it isn't bad luck at all, but future influences rippling back to sabotage them. In papers like "Test of Effect From Future in Large Hadron Collider: a Proposal" and "Search for Future Influence From LHC," they put forth the notion that observing the Higgs boson would be such an abhorrent event that the future is actually trying to prevent it from happening.

"It must be our prediction that all Higgs producing machines shall have bad luck," Dr. Nielsen said in an e-mail message. In an unpublished essay, Dr. Nielson said of the theory, "Well, one could even almost say that we have a model for God." It is their guess, he went on, "that He rather hates Higgs particles, and attempts to avoid them."

Nielsen and Ninomiya recognize that the theory sounds pretty crazy and that other projects involving a lot of delicate technology — such as the Hubble Telescope — have gone through their own periods of apparent bad luck. But their theory — wild as it is — is situated in current research in theoretical physics and time travel. If the observation of the Higgs boson would result in calamity, they claim it isn't outside the realm of possibility that someone from our future might exert influence on our time to stop it:

While it is a paradox to go back in time and kill your grandfather, physicists agree there is no paradox if you go back in time and save him from being hit by a bus. In the case of the Higgs and the collider, it is as if something is going back in time to keep the universe from being hit by a bus. Although just why the Higgs would be a catastrophe is not clear. If we knew, presumably, we wouldn't be trying to make one.

I think the X-Files covered this in an episode.

[GregoryJoseph]

I think the X-Files covered this in an episode.

I don't know about that, but I know Devo37 did last week... (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2533274&postcount=90)

[brettmojo]

http://www.impawards.com/1994/posters/timecop.jpg

[west milly Tom]

The quest to observe the Higgs boson has certainly been plagued by its share of troubles, from the cancellation of the Superconducting Supercollider in 1993 to the Large Hadron Collider's streak of technical troubles. In fact, the projects have suffered such bad luck that Holger Bech Nielsen of the Niels Bohr Institute in Copenhagen and Masao Ninomiya of the Yukawa Institute for Theoretical Physics in Kyoto wonder if it isn't bad luck at all, but future influences rippling back to sabotage them. In papers like "Test of Effect From Future in Large Hadron Collider: a Proposal" and "Search for Future Influence From LHC," they put forth the notion that observing the Higgs boson would be such an abhorrent event that the future is actually trying to prevent it from happening.


I like turtles.

[Furtherman]

Large Hadron Collider switched on after year of repairs (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/physics/article6892300.ece)

The accelerator is being ramped up to full energy gradually to minimise the chances of a repeat of the failure that led to a year of repairs. The first particles to be sent around the whole ring are scheduled for mid-November and the first collisions in the new year.

[pennington]

Maybe this thing will keep breaking down until 2012. Those Mayans may be right yet.

[dino_electropolis]

yeah, this thing scares me more than anything.....from what i understand, they are trying to create black or anti-matter....something that apparantley can swallow up solar systems.


And they built one on our own planet? Shouldnt this have been put up for a global vote? I mean, you wanna build something that wont annhiliate humanity, have at it. But when you put our existence at risk for the name of science, i'll pass.


If i'm wrong about what the collider is supposed to do, then disregard the ramblings above!

[Furtherman]

yeah, this thing scares me more than anything.....from what i understand, they are trying to create black or anti-matter....something that apparantley can swallow up solar systems.


And they built one on our own planet? Shouldnt this have been put up for a global vote? I mean, you wanna build something that wont annhiliate humanity, have at it. But when you put our existence at risk for the name of science, i'll pass.


If i'm wrong about what the collider is supposed to do, then disregard the ramblings above!

You're right about what it is supposed to do, but your wrong that it will "swallow up solar systems", specifically, ours.

Understand that what it is doing, happens a billion times every second of everyday, right now in our own upper atmosphere, where particles at speeds incapable of us replicating, slam into other particles. No black hole or matter/anti matter explosion has ever occurred.

Our existence is at risk from a million other things... in fact, this isn't even on the list.

[dino_electropolis]

You're right about what it is supposed to do, but your wrong that it will "swallow up solar systems", specifically, ours.

Understand that what it is doing, happens a billion times every second of everyday, right now in our own upper atmosphere, where particles at speeds incapable of us replicating, slam into other particles. No black hole or matter/anti matter explosion has ever occurred.

Our existence is at risk from a million other things... in fact, this isn't even on the list.

I would have found solace and comfort in your insightful explanation but for the fact that your a filthy Phillies fan.


We're doomed!

[topless_mike]

You're right about what it is supposed to do, but your wrong that it will "swallow up solar systems", specifically, ours.

Understand that what it is doing, happens a billion times every second of everyday, right now in our own upper atmosphere, where particles at speeds incapable of us replicating, slam into other particles. No black hole or matter/anti matter explosion has ever occurred.

Our existence is at risk from a million other things... in fact, this isn't even on the list.

then why the hubub?
maybe, more importantly, why are we trying to recreate this thing?

[TheMojoPin]

then why the hubub?

Because there's a lot of idiots around the world.

maybe, more importantly, why are we trying to recreate this thing?

Because fortunately there's a few non-idiots still left.

[Furtherman]

then why the hubub?
maybe, more importantly, why are we trying to recreate this thing?

What Mojo said.

[Snoogans]

then why the hubub?
maybe, more importantly, why are we trying to recreate this thing?

because we can discover alot studying the collisions, and its a hell of alot easier to make the collisions then it is to try to study them as they naturally occur

[Ponyboy]

You're right about what it is supposed to do, but your wrong that it will "swallow up solar systems", specifically, ours.

Understand that what it is doing, happens a billion times every second of everyday, right now in our own upper atmosphere, where particles at speeds incapable of us replicating, slam into other particles. No black hole or matter/anti matter explosion has ever occurred.

Our existence is at risk from a million other things... in fact, this isn't even on the list.

It's on my damned list!!!

[Furtherman]

The Collider, the Particle and a Theory About Fate (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/science/space/13lhc.html?_r=3&pagewanted=all)

The Large Hadron Collider is going to be fired up again... or will it?

Check out this cool theory:

More than a year after an explosion of sparks, soot and frigid helium shut it down, the world’s biggest and most expensive physics experiment, known as the Large Hadron Collider, is poised to start up again. In December, if all goes well, protons will start smashing together in an underground racetrack outside Geneva in a search for forces and particles that reigned during the first trillionth of a second of the Big Bang.

Then it will be time to test one of the most bizarre and revolutionary theories in science. I’m not talking about extra dimensions of space-time, dark matter or even black holes that eat the Earth. No, I’m talking about the notion that the troubled collider is being sabotaged by its own future. A pair of otherwise distinguished physicists have suggested that the hypothesized Higgs boson, which physicists hope to produce with the collider, might be so abhorrent to nature that its creation would ripple backward through time and stop the collider before it could make one, like a time traveler who goes back in time to kill his grandfather.

The Higgs boson is also known as the "god particle". It would be closest we can see to the beginning of the universe's creation.

I can't wait to see what happens!

And look what happend now....

Baguette Dropped From Bird's Beak Shuts Down The Large Hadron Collider (Really) (http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2009-11/bread-loving-bird-shuts-down-lhc)

The Large Hadron Collider, the world's most powerful particle accelerator, just cannot catch a break. First, a coolant leak destroyed some of the magnets that guide the energy beam. Then LHC officials postponed the restart of the machine to add additional safety features. Now, a bird dropping a piece of bread on a section of the accelerator has, according to the Register, shut down the whole operation.

The bird dropped some bread on a section of outdoor machinery, eventually leading to significant over heating in parts of the accelerator. The LHC was not operational at the time of the incident, but the spike produced so much heat that had the beam been on, automatic failsafes would have shut down the machine.

This incident won't delay the reactivation of the facility later this month, but exposes yet another vulnerability of the what might be the most complex machine ever built. With freak accident after freak accident piling up over at CERN, the idea of time traveling particles returning from the future to prevent their own discovery is beginning to seem less and less far fetched.

Birds!

Baguettes!

Nature correcting itself!!!

[Crossweird]

Baguette Dropped From Bird's Beak Shuts Down The Large Hadron Collider (Really) (http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2009-11/bread-loving-bird-shuts-down-lhc)

Birds!

Baguettes!

Nature correcting itself!!!

A baguette. In Geneva. That damn Swiss-French bird probably dropped it because it was trying to smoke with both wings.

[GregoryJoseph]

And look what happend now....

Baguette Dropped From Bird's Beak Shuts Down The Large Hadron Collider (Really) (http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2009-11/bread-loving-bird-shuts-down-lhc)

The hand of God telling us not to meddle where we're not supposed to...

[KnoxHarrington]

It was a bird...FROM THE FUTURE

[TheMojoPin]

The hand of God telling us not to meddle where we're not supposed to...

I hope it rips open a black hole right inside of your anus.

[Crossweird]

The hand of God telling us not to meddle where we're not supposed to...

I hope the Supreme Being can do better than a feathered Genevois with diabetes.

[brettmojo]

Why can't some asshole from the future just come out publicly and say,"Hey retards, stop fucking around with this shit."? Stop sending birds to do your dirty work.

[led37zep]

Why can't some asshole from the future just come out publicly and say,"Hey retards, stop fucking around with this shit."? Stop sending birds to do your dirty work.

Because this is how we discover Time Travel.

[TheGameHHH]

Because this is how we discover Time Travel.

no we discoved time travel when Doc Brown slipped and bumped his head, coming up with the idea for the flux compasitor......which is what makes time travel possible.

[hanso]

A baguette. In Geneva. That damn Swiss-French bird probably dropped it because it was trying to smoke with both wings.

It might have flown all the way from France.
It got tired and dropped it.

[hanso]

You know what all this means.
Is that Soundgarden will have to reform now.

[Furtherman]

All this has happened before. All this will happen again.

[disneyspy]

i hope when i see my future i'm in a threesome and i mean the good kind

[Death Metal Moe]

i hope when i see my future i'm in a threesome and i mean the good kind

3 guys?

[hanso]

watch this space

[hanso]

Maybe this thing will keep breaking down until 2012. Those Mayans may be right yet.

If everyone will degauss monitors at the same time we should be fine.

[Furtherman]

'Something may come through' dimensional 'doors' at LHC (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/06/lhc_dimensional_portals/)

A top boffin at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) says that the titanic machine may possibly create or discover previously unimagined scientific phenomena, or "unknown unknowns" - for instance "an extra dimension".

"Out of this door might come something, or we might send something through it," said Sergio Bertolucci, who is Director for Research and Scientific Computing at CERN, briefing reporters including the Reg at CERN HQ earlier this week.

Great.

We could get Hellboy... or those creatures from The Mist.

[TheMojoPin]

Open the Negative Zone!

[Marc with a c]

how does one become a top boffin?

[TheMojoPin]

Savage hand-to-hand combat.

[Marc with a c]

with other boffins?

[IMSlacker]

Yes. After you kill off all of the other bottom boffins, you are crowned top boffin.

[Marc with a c]

i hope bravo is paying attention.

[topless_mike]

maybe some prehistoric she-bitch will come through. one of those wacky french scientists will fall madly in love with her, and we will have a new reality show to watch.

[Crossweird]

Yes. After you kill off all of the other bottom boffins, you are crowned top boffin.

I hear that they have really sharp beaks.

[Furtherman]

Well it looks like everything is going..... fine.

World-Record Energy Collisions Achieved at Large Hadron Collider (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091209171152.htm)

On Tuesday evening, December 8th, thousands of physicists around the world cheered as CERN's Large Hadron Collider (LHC) smashed together subatomic particles at the highest energies ever reached by a human-made accelerator and the giant ATLAS detector observed the products of the record-breaking reactions whizzing through its sophisticated tracking devices.



The Large Hadron Collider accelerates two counter-rotating beams of protons to nearly the speed of light and then brings them into collision inside giant, cathedral-sized detectors that study the subatomic debris that comes flying outward. The Canadian team plays a leading role in the ATLAS detector, akin to a gigantic digital camera that examines the millions of collisions per second and identifies which ones should be stored and analyzed in more detail. The project goals are just as awe-inspiring: probe the structure of space to search for extra dimensions, identify and study why matter has mass in the universe, and even explore theories that connect subatomic particles to the cosmos through dark matter and dark energy.

[Furtherman]

Hadron Collider to be closed amid fears of a very big bang (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/hadron-collider-to-be-closed-amid-fears-of-a-very-big-bang-1919450.html)

The world's single most complicated and expensive scientific experiment, designed to discover the "God particle" and recreate the conditions that existed at the dawn of creation, will be switched off for a year to correct a design problem that could break it apart if it ran on full power.

[Willmore]

Hadron Collider to be closed amid fears of a very big bang (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/hadron-collider-to-be-closed-amid-fears-of-a-very-big-bang-1919450.html)

At this point, why don't the scientists just pretend the thing is running and make up some scientific papers. Who the hell is gonna be the wiser?

[pennington]

At this point, why don't the scientists just pretend the thing is running and make up some scientific papers. Who the hell is gonna be the wiser?

Like Global Warming?

[Willmore]

Like Global Warming?

And the moon landing.

[tanless1]

Thank-you

[underdog]

Thank-you

:unsure:

[opie's twisted balls]

Hadron Collider to be closed amid fears of a very big bang (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/hadron-collider-to-be-closed-amid-fears-of-a-very-big-bang-1919450.html)

http://i40.tinypic.com/fjlw2a.jpg

[pennington]

And the moon landing.

And Roswell.

[Ogre]

And Roswell.

And Larry The Cable Guy's gimmick.

[smiler grogan]

and a "round" planet. preposterous.

[Furtherman]

Well, it looks like they went along with the experiment anyway and it was a success. You can watch all the live webcasts here about the first data coming back.

No black holes were created during the filming of this data.

http://webcast.cern.ch/lhcfirstphysics/

[Furtherman]

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/.a/6a00d8341bf7f753ef0133f3673175970b-320wi

"CERN's LHC Will Create a Black Hole That Destroys Earth" -Courts Dismiss 'Mad Scientist' Case (http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1R7Uoi/www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2010/08/lhc-will-cause-the-destruction-of-earth-courts-dismiss-mad-scientistcase.html/r:t)

We going to be OK!

[angrymissy]

My Grandmother is convinced that the Hadron Collider is going to cause the end of the world

I have no idea how she even knows about it

[Willmore]

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/.a/6a00d8341bf7f753ef0133f3673175970b-320wi

"CERN's LHC Will Create a Black Hole That Destroys Earth" -Courts Dismiss 'Mad Scientist' Case (http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1R7Uoi/www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2010/08/lhc-will-cause-the-destruction-of-earth-courts-dismiss-mad-scientistcase.html/r:t)

We going to be OK!

Where are the activist judges when you really need them?

We're all going to die!

[Freitag]

My Grandmother is convinced that the Hadron Collider is going to cause the end of the world

I have no idea how she even knows about it

scraps recipe = particle physics

[Furtherman]

My Grandmother is convinced that the Hadron Collider is going to cause the end of the world

I have no idea how she even knows about it

Be sure to call her up next time they fire it up, just to say goodbye.

[Furtherman]

CERN scientists eye parallel universe breakthrough (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69J35X20101020)

Physicists probing the origins of the cosmos hope that next year they will turn up the first proofs of the existence of concepts long dear to science-fiction writers such as hidden worlds and extra dimensions.

And as their Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at CERN near Geneva moves into high gear, they are talking increasingly of the "New Physics" on the horizon that could totally change current views of the universe and how it works.

"Parallel universes, unknown forms of matter, extra dimensions... These are not the stuff of cheap science fiction but very concrete physics theories that scientists are trying to confirm with the LHC and other experiments."

[Willmore]

CERN scientists eye parallel universe breakthrough (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69J35X20101020)

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[A.J.]

CERN scientists eye parallel universe breakthrough (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69J35X20101020)

http://www.lothere.com/verso/page/images/1085/mirror_mirror.jpg

[pennington]

http://stash.norml.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/evil-cartman-149x150.jpg

[sailor]

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2008/10/bender_flexo.jpg

[pennington]

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/protectedimage.php?image=EamonnMcCusker/KnightRider01.jpg

Edit: I know he's not from a parallel universe, but he's so damn evil.

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://cdn.venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/evil-twin.jpg

[Judge Smails]

http://threetreesstudios.com/andscifi/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/sliders1.jpg

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/4017/biff13360053.jpg

[disneyspy]

http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/images/74/originals/74892_video-648861-access-extended-anna-torv-talks-fringe.jpg

[Willmore]

http://threetreesstudios.com/andscifi/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/sliders1.jpg

I completely forgot there was a black guy on that show. And I watched the show!

[thepaulo]

This was a helpful comment

"The article misconstrues the concepts that it attempts to explain. Scientists are not entertaining the possible of “parallel universes.” They are instead testing the theory that the universe that we are currently familiar with should be understood not as a four-dimensional universe (three spatial dimensions and one temporal dimension) but instead as an 11-dimensional universe. While we do not have the ability directly to perceive dimensions other than the three spatial dimensions and one temporal dimension, the world of matter an energy that we directly perceive extends to these other dimensions. For example, one of the oddities of physics is that subatomic particles do not always behave like particles but instead frequently behave like waves. In particular, the exact location of any given subatomic particle cannot be defined with precision but is better understood as a probability wave, a distribution of locations where the particle is likely to be, very much like a bell curve. One solution to this is that some of the extra six dimensions take the form of what might be analogized as being small pockets around each subatomic particle. The location of the subatomic particle in the three spatial dimensions that we can perceive cannot be defined with precision, because the subatomic particle is rattling around in one of these pockets.”

[Furtherman]

Paulo, you've totally buzz killed the "evil twin" game. Party pooper.

[Freitag]

I completely forgot there was a black guy on that show. And I watched the show!

I was too busy blocking out Jerry O'Connell's brother.

[CountryBob]

This was a helpful comment

"The article misconstrues the concepts that it attempts to explain. Scientists are not entertaining the possible of “parallel universes.” They are instead testing the theory that the universe that we are currently familiar with should be understood not as a four-dimensional universe (three spatial dimensions and one temporal dimension) but instead as an 11-dimensional universe. While we do not have the ability directly to perceive dimensions other than the three spatial dimensions and one temporal dimension, the world of matter an energy that we directly perceive extends to these other dimensions. For example, one of the oddities of physics is that subatomic particles do not always behave like particles but instead frequently behave like waves. In particular, the exact location of any given subatomic particle cannot be defined with precision but is better understood as a probability wave, a distribution of locations where the particle is likely to be, very much like a bell curve. One solution to this is that some of the extra six dimensions take the form of what might be analogized as being small pockets around each subatomic particle. The location of the subatomic particle in the three spatial dimensions that we can perceive cannot be defined with precision, because the subatomic particle is rattling around in one of these pockets.”

A Whaaaaaaat???:huh:

[thepaulo]

Paulo, you've totally buzz killed the "evil twin" game. Party pooper.

I killed nothing but okay I'll scoop my poop....
and I offer this movie which talks about another freaky twin.....

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064519/

[thepaulo]

I killed nothing but okay I'll scoop my poop....
and I offer this movie which talks about another freaky twin.....

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064519/


frankly Imdb's summary info was woefully inadequate.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppelg%C3%A4nger_(1969_film)

[Furtherman]

The Large Hadron Collider has succeeded in recreating a miniature version of the Big Bang by smashing stripped-down lead atoms together. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/large-hadron-collider/8116226/Large-Hadron-Collider-creates-mini-Big-Bang-with-lead-ions.html)



Good news! The Earth was not destroyed.





Yet.

[CountryBob]

Ah shit - I was hoping to finally witness the destruction of mankind. :sad:

[Willmore]

The Large Hadron Collider has succeeded in recreating a miniature version of the Big Bang by smashing stripped-down lead atoms together. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/large-hadron-collider/8116226/Large-Hadron-Collider-creates-mini-Big-Bang-with-lead-ions.html)



Good news! The Earth was not destroyed.





Yet.

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[hanso]

The Large Hadron Collider has succeeded in recreating a miniature version of the Big Bang by smashing stripped-down lead atoms together.



But can it crack open an almond?

[Judge Smails]

Fuckin' magnets

[A.J.]

Now all we need are some dilithium crystals: Antimatter captured and studied for first time (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/antimatter_captured_and_studied_QK6ueE6jTLXokuQC5l 9AWK)

[Furtherman]

Now all we need are some dilithium crystals: Antimatter captured and studied for first time (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/antimatter_captured_and_studied_QK6ueE6jTLXokuQC5l 9AWK)

As long as it doesn't touch any matter, we're good.

[A.J.]

As long as it doesn't touch any matter, we're good.

Lazarus will protect us.

[Furtherman]

Large Hadron Collider proves the universe was once a liquid

The world's most powerful particle accelerator smashed together lead nuclei at the highest energies possible, creating dense sub-atomic particles that reach temperatures of over ten trillion degrees. Beyond being awesome, this achievement shows the early universe was actually a liquid.

Normal matter can't exist in any form at these sort of absurdly hot temperatures. Instead, matter is thought to melt into a strange, soup-like substance known as quark-gluon plasma. Researchers are still investigating exactly what happens when this quark-gluon plasma emerges, but the early results seem to confirm the theory that the plasma acts like a liquid, not a gas.

Earlier research had shown that the sub-atomic fireballs acted like liquids at lower temperatures, but there was still some expectation that they would move into more gaseous behavior when temperatures got hot enough for the plasma to emerge. University of Birmingham astrophysicist Dr. David Evans says these findings should also reflect what the universe looked like in its first microseconds of existence:

"Although it is very early days we are already learning more about the early Universe. These first results would seem to suggest that the Universe would have behaved like a super-hot liquid immediately after the Big Bang."

Further study will be needed to better understand just how the quark-gluon plasma acts at these trillion-degree temperatures. Researchers have already made one unexpected discovery. It turns out the fireballs caused by the collision create way more subatomic particles than most models would expect, as researchers were able to observe thousands of particles radiating out from each fireball.

[arXiv]


Mmmmmm.... scotch!

[Recyclerz]

Large Hadron Collider proves the universe was once a liquid

The world's most powerful particle accelerator smashed together lead nuclei at the highest energies possible, creating dense sub-atomic particles that reach temperatures of over ten trillion degrees. Beyond being awesome, this achievement shows the early universe was actually a liquid.

Normal matter can't exist in any form at these sort of absurdly hot temperatures. Instead, matter is thought to melt into a strange, soup-like substance known as quark-gluon plasma. Researchers are still investigating exactly what happens when this quark-gluon plasma emerges, but the early results seem to confirm the theory that the plasma acts like a liquid, not a gas.

Earlier research had shown that the sub-atomic fireballs acted like liquids at lower temperatures, but there was still some expectation that they would move into more gaseous behavior when temperatures got hot enough for the plasma to emerge. University of Birmingham astrophysicist Dr. David Evans says these findings should also reflect what the universe looked like in its first microseconds of existence:

"Although it is very early days we are already learning more about the early Universe. These first results would seem to suggest that the Universe would have behaved like a super-hot liquid immediately after the Big Bang."

Further study will be needed to better understand just how the quark-gluon plasma acts at these trillion-degree temperatures. Researchers have already made one unexpected discovery. It turns out the fireballs caused by the collision create way more subatomic particles than most models would expect, as researchers were able to observe thousands of particles radiating out from each fireball.



Mmmmmm.... scotch!


Sounds more like God Jizz to me.

I have to believe that a universe based on a primordial single malt would be a lot more reasonable and civilized than the one we've got.

[A.J.]

Large Hadron Collider proves the universe was once a liquid


We know life on earth was anyway.

http://en.wikivisual.com/images/b/bb/ST-TNG_All_Good_Things....jpg

[StanUpshaw]

As long as it doesn't touch any matter, we're good.

Every antiparticle ever manufactured has touched matter.

What do you think happens to it?

[Furtherman]

Every antiparticle ever manufactured has touched matter.

What do you think happens to it?

When matter and anti-matter collide, they cancel each other out, ergo, KA-BOOM. A large amount of energy is released.

[StanUpshaw]

When matter and anti-matter collide, they cancel each other out, ergo, KA-BOOM. A large amount of energy is released.

Right...and that energy is how they were able to determine that they actually produced antihydrogen. Which they've been doing for over a decade.

This latest breakthrough was that they were able to store it for a fraction of a second before allowing it to annihilate itself.

Do you realize how small of an explosion we're talking about?

If we could assemble all of the antimatter we've ever made at CERN and annihilate it with matter, we would have enough energy to light a single electric light bulb for a few minutes.

[Contra]

Right...and that energy is how they were able to determine that they actually produced antihydrogen. Which they've been doing for over a decade.

This latest breakthrough was that they were able to store it for a fraction of a second before allowing it to annihilate itself.

Do you realize how small of an explosion we're talking about?

Burn

[hanso]

So they are not collecting anti-matter as an early report stated?

[StanUpshaw]

So they are not collecting anti-matter as an early report stated?

Antimatter atoms produced and trapped at CERN
http://press.web.cern.ch/press/PressReleases/Releases2010/PR22.10E.html

Antihydrogen atoms are produced in a vacuum at CERN, but are nevertheless surrounded by normal matter. Because matter and antimatter annihilate when they meet, the antihydrogen atoms have a very short life expectancy. This can be extended, however, by using strong and complex magnetic fields to trap them and thus prevent them from coming into contact with matter. The ALPHA experiment has shown that it is possible to hold on to atoms of antihydrogen in this way for about a tenth of a second: easily long enough to study them. Of the many thousands of antiatoms the experiment has created, ALPHA’s latest paper reports that 38 have been trapped for long enough to study.

So no, they don't have a Tupperware container full of antimatter in the fridge, if that's what you mean.

[Furtherman]

Right...and that energy is how they were able to determine that they actually produced antihydrogen. Which they've been doing for over a decade.

This latest breakthrough was that they were able to store it for a fraction of a second before allowing it to annihilate itself.

Do you realize how small of an explosion we're talking about?

Yea, OK... I think you need to read my original response, which was a response to AJ's Star Trek refrence. In Star Trek, anti-matter + matter, KA-BOOM.

I'm not really worried about such an explosion happening over at CERN.

Nor am I worried about time travelers, which I have mentioned before.

[Willmore]

Ok, Fuck CERN.

I was all ready to release my anti-matter engine, all I needed was the anti-matter fuel from CERN, and they don't fucking store it?

What am I supposed to do now, bum anti-matter from my local fast food joints, like I do used vegetable oil?

[Furtherman]

During your times of trial and suffering,
when you see only one set of footprints,
it was then that I was using a large hadron collider to smash atoms at ludicrous speeds to learn the secrets of the universe



Physicists say they have all but proven that the “God particle’’ exists. They have a footprint and a shadow, and the only thing left is to see for themselves the elusive subatomic particle believed to give all matter in the universe size and shape.

Scientists at the world’s biggest atom smasher plan to announce Wednesday that they have nearly confirmed the primary plank of a theory that could restructure the understanding of why matter has mass, which combines with gravity to give an object weight.


http://articles.boston.com/2012-07-02/news/32510338_1_higgs-boson-subatomic-particle-large-hadron-collider

[A.J.]

I blame The Picard for this.

http://www.seriessub.com/series/episodes/37122.jpg

[Furtherman]

Wouldn't it be great if the scientist at the press conference just started yelling "Q! I know you're there! What is the meaning of this?!"

[A.J.]

Wouldn't it be great if the scientist at the press conference just started yelling "Q! I know you're there! What is the meaning of this?!"

That would be one of the greatest things EVER.