democrats poised to lose congress

[Dude!]

new shock poll from gallup
on generic congressional ballot
republicans pulling into the lead

democrats had taken for granted big gains this year but
between historic low approval ratings of congress
do-nothing and snotty attitude of pelosi and reid
and...
sarah palin
republicans have possibility to take back congress

holy cow
this whole thing is turned upside down

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110263/Battle-Congress-Suddenly-Looks-Competitive.aspx

[NewYorkDragons80]

I am just as confident that McCain will win this election as I am that he will face a Democratic majority in the House and Senate. I still think the Republicans will have enough to filibuster, but that's about it.

[Fezticle98]

I am just as confident that McCain will win this election as I am that he will face a Democratic majority in the House and Senate. I still think the Republicans will have enough to filibuster, but that's about it.

You should be much more confident that the Dems will continue their majority in the House and Senate. It's a lock. It's a matter of how many MORE seats they will gain.

The McCain/Obama contest is debatable.

The poll cited is a generic congressional poll...completely meaningless. Even more so than most polls.

[TheMojoPin]

Hah, "shock poll!"

Adorable.

[pennington]

Their blocking new oil drilling hurt them. Whether people will remember that 6 weeks from now is debatable.

[JerseySean]

You should be much more confident that the Dems will continue their majority in the House and Senate. It's a lock. It's a matter of how many MORE seats they will gain.



Bingo! The question is how many seats. If we can hold close in both houses, I'll take it. If we can keep it to -5 in the house and -2 or 3 in the Senate, with a McCain victory, it will be a GREAT year.

[razorboy]

Bingo! The question is how many seats. If we can hold close in both houses, I'll take it. If we can keep it to -5 in the house and -2 or 3 in the Senate, with a McCain victory, it will be a GREAT year.

Followed by four horrible years.

[JerseySean]

Followed by four horrible years.

Insightful

[CousinDave]

The Republicans have about as much of a chance of winning control of both houses of Congress as the Democrats have of winning the White House.

The Republicans will win sets in the House of Representatives, but the Democrats will still have a majority, and will keep the number of Democrats in the Senate under 60.

[JerseySean]

The Republicans have about as much of a chance of winning control of both houses of Congress as the Democrats have of winning the White House.

The Republicans will win sets in the House of Representatives, but the Democrats will still have a majority, and will keep the number of Democrats in the Senate under 60.

Optomistic, I like this kid

[donnie_darko]

you fucking people and your poles.
jesus christ

[razorboy]

Insightful

Agreed.

[JerseySean]

you fucking people and your poles.
jesus christ

our poles? our cocks you mean?

[Zorro]

Pelosi and Reid's lack of leadership has helped restore the Republican brand (or minimize the harm). They are like a tem sitting on a lead hoping the clock will runout. The strategy may prove successful, but it's gonna be a bumpy ride.

[DarkHippie]

Insightful

Based on the past 8 years, of which the republicans have had the congress, house, and president for 6 of them. How can anyone think anything else.

Tell me that the republicans have done a good job if you believe it.

[Knowledged_one]

Based on the past 8 years, of which the republicans have had the congress, house, and president for 6 of them. How can anyone think anything else.

Tell me that the republicans have done a good job if you believe it.

The republicans have done a good job

[DarkHippie]

The republicans have done a good job

examples?

[Knowledged_one]

examples?

Thats not what you asked and im not going to do the research on all of the things that have been done over the past 8 years much like i wont do the research to show how little Bill Clinton did as president until the republicans took control

[hammersavage]

Thats not what you asked and im not going to do the research on all of the things that have been done over the past 8 years much like i wont do the research to show how little Bill Clinton did as president until the republicans took control

If you have to do research to find what an administration has done well, there isn't any.

[JerseySean]

Based on the past 8 years, of which the republicans have had the congress, house, and president for 6 of them. How can anyone think anything else.

Tell me that the republicans have done a good job if you believe it.

No terrorist attacks since, 9/11. Thats a big deal

[Furtherman]

No terrorist attacks since, 9/11. Thats a big deal

That's only because a well planned attack takes years to organize. If they want to, they can. Easily. I wouldn't praise any administration for "no attacks", because if someone wants to set off a bomb, they can.

[Knowledged_one]

If you have to do research to find what an administration has done well, there isn't any.

Its the same way i would have to do research on the Clinton administration, but i noticed you only highlighted one segment where i brought up checking into it. At least be sensible and quote both parts instead of just selectively highlighting parts to try and make a point

[Knowledged_one]

That's only because a well planned attack takes years to organize. If they want to, they can. Easily. I wouldn't praise any administration for "no attacks", because if someone wants to set off a bomb, they can.

Well by this websites count its been 19 potential attacks that have been thwarted, now not all were as advanced as what happened on 9/11 and some good be debateable but even if you took the middle number you are still talking about 10 thwarted

http://www.heritage.org/research/HomelandDefense/bg2085.cfm

[Jujubees2]

Followed by another four horrible years.

Fixed it.

[Furtherman]

Well by this websites count its been 19 potential attacks that have been thwarted, now not all were as advanced as what happened on 9/11 and some good be debateable but even if you took the middle number you are still talking about 10 thwarted

http://www.heritage.org/research/HomelandDefense/bg2085.cfm

I have no doubt that our law enforcement are out there trying to prevent further attacks. It's just that there really isn't anything we can do about someone pulling up in a van in Times Square and opening fire. I also don't think that it matter who is in office, our agencies would be trying to stop these attacks with the same aggressiveness. At least I'd hope so.

[Knowledged_one]

I have no doubt that our law enforcement are out there trying to prevent further attacks. It's just that there really isn't anything we can do about someone pulling up in a van in Times Square and opening fire. I also don't think that it matter who is in office, our agencies would be trying to stop these attacks with the same aggressiveness. At least I'd hope so.

But you also stated that it could be done easily and if it could be done that easily then the US would probably have hit again then no?

The fact is that after the horrific events of 9/11 the DHS was formed which broke down a lot of the walls between law enforcement agencies so that they could share information easier

[CousinDave]

It's just that there really isn't anything we can do about someone pulling up in a van in Times Square and opening fire.


Racial profiling

[Furtherman]

But you also stated that it could be done easily and if it could be done that easily then the US would probably have hit again then no?

No.

It's just that 9/11 was planned for many years before those guys just walked onto those planes.

IF they are planning another attack, they're taking their time. With patience, they could pull off another one.

I know our guys are out there going after them. I just hope they can keep up with the growing amount of people who want to hurt us again.

[Furtherman]

Racial profiling

Ha. Yep.

[DarkHippie]

No terrorist attacks since, 9/11. Thats a big deal

Except for all the American workers and journalists taken captive in Iraq and beheaded.

[scottinnj]

you fucking people and your poles.
jesus christ

http://www.healthylivingnyc.com/includes/resize_article_photo.php?articleid=249

:thumbup: It doesn't make you a bad person! :clap:

[brettmojo]

No terrorist attacks since, 9/11. Thats a big deal
As opposed to only one other in the previous 224 years.

I have this magic rock that keeps the Bogeyman away... Wanna' buy it?

[epo]

new shock poll from gallup
on generic congressional ballot
republicans pulling into the lead

democrats had taken for granted big gains this year but
between historic low approval ratings of congress
do-nothing and snotty attitude of pelosi and reid
and...
sarah palin
republicans have possibility to take back congress

holy cow
this whole thing is turned upside down

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110263/Battle-Congress-Suddenly-Looks-Competitive.aspx

Generic this versus that is a stupid poll always.

Here is the deal...the Democrats will control the House and have a Lieberman-free majority in the Senate.

[NewYorkDragons80]

No.

It's just that 9/11 was planned for many years before those guys just walked onto those planes.

IF they are planning another attack, they're taking their time. With patience, they could pull off another one
Controlled demolitions take YEARS to plan! Eh, am I right?

[JerseySean]

As opposed to only one other in the previous 224 years.

I have this magic rock that keeps the Bogeyman away... Wanna' buy it?

93 WTC, USS Cole, Kenya yea those didnt count

[JerseySean]

Generic this versus that is a stupid poll always.

Here is the deal...the Democrats will control the House and have a Lieberman-free majority in the Senate.

No that number is VERY important. It is normally an indicator of a big wave one way or the other.

[CousinDave]

Chris Carney - PA 10th

If he loses it going to be a very bad night for the Democrats

[JerseySean]

Chris Carney - PA 10th

If he loses it going to be a very bad night for the Democrats

I disagree. That district will not be a bellwhether by any stretch. If Mellissa Hart retakes her seat, then it will be a bad night for Democrats. If Carney loses, it will be the world coming back on its axis. That is a solid R district, therefore it is a referendum on Carney, not the national Democrat party.

[TheMojoPin]

93 WTC, USS Cole, Kenya yea those didnt count

He said "one other," meaning the '93 WTC bomb. The others were overseas. You don't want to include those in a declarative statement of "no attacks since 2001" since there have been multiple overseas Al Queada strikes since then.

[JerseySean]

He said "one other," meaning the '93 WTC bomb. The others were overseas. You don;t want to include those in a declarative statement of "no attacks since 2001" since there have been multiple overseas Al Queada strikes since then.

Not on American property, military bases, embassies, etc.

[TheMojoPin]

Not on American property, military bases, embassies, etc.

Hmmmmm, it couldn't possibly be bcause we've had tens of thousands of targets in Afghanistan and Iraq over the last 5-7 years...

[PapaBear]

I'll be doing my part to make sure Mark Warner gets John Warner's seat. I seriously doubt he's going to lose this one.

[JerseySean]

Hmmmmm, it couldn't possibly be bcause we've had tens of thousands of targets in Afghanistan and Iraq over the last 5-7 years...

BINGO!!! Thanks for playing. Because of the war in Iraq, Afganistan and the efforts at home to disrupt finances, homebases, etc., we have not been attacked.

[DolaMight]

it's all about poise. that's what the old folks say.

[epo]

BINGO!!! Thanks for playing. Because of the war in Iraq, Afganistan and the efforts at home to disrupt finances, homebases, etc., we have not been attacked.

But at the end of the day, isn't the "flypaper" strategy within a sovereign nation the most immoral thing we could do?

[TheMojoPin]

But at the end of the day, isn't the "flypaper" strategy within a sovereign nation the most immoral thing we could do?

He's arguing the whole thing sideways. There haven't been significant attacks on US targets besides the military because we've made it much easier for them to attack us with all the troops in Afghanistan and Iraq. Why waste time, men and resources going after US targets elsewhere when tens of thousands of Americans with very expensive vehicales ad equipment can be killed, destroyed and stolen right in your backyard?

[JerseySean]

He's arguing the whole thing sideways. There haven't been significant attacks on US targets besides the military because we've made it much easier for them to attack us with all the troops in Afghanistan and Iraq. Why waste time, men and resources going after US targets elsewhere when tens of thousands of Americans with very expensive vehicales ad equipment can be killed, destroyed and stolen right in your backyard?

No, the point of terrorism is to disrupt and ter failed.rorize. If that is their goal they have

[TheMojoPin]

No, the point of terrorism is to disrupt and ter failed.rorize. If that is their goal they have

The goal of Al Queda is to kill their "enemies," cause damage and loss of money. That's what they and their ilk have been doing pretty consistently since 2001.

[CousinDave]

I disagree. That district will not be a bellwhether by any stretch. If Mellissa Hart retakes her seat, then it will be a bad night for Democrats. If Carney loses, it will be the world coming back on its axis. That is a solid R district, therefore it is a referendum on Carney, not the national Democrat party.

Yes it is a solid Republican district, and most of the seats that the Democrats won in 2006 were in Republican leaning districts, that's why if this one shifts a lot of others will likely shift back to the Republicans as well. This district will just be the first one called of the night.

You might have some of your info wrong, Melissa Hart has nothing to do with this district. It was held by Don Sherwood (he was the guy that tried to strangle a whore) and Carney is running against Chris Hackett.

Now if Kanjorski loses in the 11th district, its over for the Democrats, but despite his corruption, his last name ends in a vowel and that's all those Catholics vote on, well that and skin color, even though Obama ends in a vowel, he's back and those Catholic Democrats won't vote for a half white guy.

[JerseySean]

Yes it is a solid Republican district, and most of the seats that the Democrats won in 2006 were in Republican leaning districts, that's why if this one shifts a lot of others will likely shift back to the Republicans as well. This district will just be the first one called of the night.

You might have some of your info wrong, Melissa Hart has nothing to do with this district. It was held by Don Sherwood (he was the guy that tried to strangle a whore) and Carney is running against Chris Hackett.

Now if Kanjorski loses in the 11th district, its over for the Democrats, but despite his corruption, his last name ends in a vowel and that's all those Catholics vote on, well that and skin color, even though Obama ends in a vowel, he's back and those Catholic Democrats won't vote for a half white guy.

Exactly but PA-10 is a hard GOP district so it is always likely to change back. Therefore it will not be an indicator. Hart's district will be a bellwether because it is a leans R district. I think if 10 comes back in, youll see LA-6, TX 22 and foleys seat in FL shift back, maybe Ca-11 too but thats it.

[CousinDave]

I'll be doing my part to make sure Mark Warner gets John Warner's seat. I seriously doubt he's going to lose this one.

2/3 of the voters will think Mark Warner is John Warner.

Like in Georgia one time Miller was running against a Millner.


John Warner is someone who should have been President, instead we get blessed with the likes of Bill Clinton and George W Bush.

[CousinDave]

Exactly but PA-10 is a hard GOP district so it is always likely to change back. Therefore it will not be an indicator. Hart's district will be a bellwether because it is a leans R district. I think if 10 comes back in, youll see LA-6, TX 22 and foleys seat in FL shift back, maybe Ca-11 too but thats it.


Yes but keep in mind the power of incumbency and that's probably good for 7 to 10 points in any district.

But anyway the Democrats aren't adding any seats in the House of Representatives like they claimed they were going to all summer, I think they'll still control the House but its going to be a slim margin, and a lot of subcommittee chairs will be offered to Democrats from Red states to switch parties. I think the Dems will probably add a couple of Senate seats, but they won't come close to getting 60 votes and if its 51 to 49, Lieberman will go Republican and Palin will break the tie in the Senate giving the Republicans control of the Senate. I'm going to guess 54 Democrats in the Senate counting Lieberman.

A lot will depend on McCain & Palin's coattails, and there is still 6 weeks left, which is a lifetime in politics. I just can't see the Democrats winning the White House, and can't see the Republicans winning either the House or Senate.

[PapaBear]

2/3 of the voters will think Mark Warner is John Warner.

Like in Georgia one time Miller was running against a Millner.


John Warner is someone who should have been President, instead we get blessed with the likes of Bill Clinton and George W Bush.
It's not Warner vs. Warner. John is retiring. Mark Warner is running against James Gilmore.

[keithy_19]

It's not Warner vs. Warner. John is retiring. Mark Warner is running against James Gilmore.

Doug Gilmore? I'd vote for him.

[TooLowBrow]

Doug Gilmore? I'd vote for him.

i vote for the gilmore girls

[CousinDave]

It's not Warner vs. Warner. John is retiring. Mark Warner is running against James Gilmore.

yea which is why 2/3 of the voters will still think they are voting for John Warner.

[PapaBear]

yea which is why 2/3 of the voters will still think they are voting for John Warner.
That's just silly.

[A.J.]

Hmmmmm, it couldn't possibly be bcause we've had tens of thousands of targets in Afghanistan and Iraq over the last 5-7 years...

We fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here. See? It's working!!!

[razorboy]

i vote for the gilmore girls

Sign me up for the David Gilmour ticket.