Al Gore has finally lost his mind.

[scottinnj]

Civil Disobedience is okay as long as my agenda is obeyed without question (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,427421,00.html)


"If you're a young person looking at the future of this planet and looking at what is being done right now, and not done, I believe we have reached the stage where it is time for civil disobedience to prevent the construction of new coal plants that do not have carbon capture and sequestration," Gore said, according to Reuters.


Lunatic Douchebag. Let's burn his mansion down first in the name of the environment, fucking hypocrite.

[IamFogHat]

Um, I'm not a huge Gore fan, but I don't think you quite understand the concept of civil disobedience. It can be an excellent thing.

[scottinnj]

Yeah, I do. I find it hypocritical of Gore to say something like that when he did jackshit about it when he had the chance, and also runs a "carbon credit" scam while living in a house 10 times the size of what he needs and goes to these BS lectures he gives about the enviroment in jets and SUVs.

And it's very disturbing to see an elected official calling for disobedience as casually as he did, no specifics. That kind of statement gives the wackos on his side Carte Blanche to do whatever they want.

Remember the outcry over rhetoric the NRA and the GOP on the subject of taxation and gun control? Remember Tim McVeigh, and how "talk radio" was responsible for stirring up the emotions of the ham 'n' eggers and how they were responsible for the Oklahoma bombing?

It's the same thing here, just on the left.

[Don Stugots]

BE GREEN OR BURN!

http://www.thewe.cc/thewei/_/images10/palestine/hurls_cocktail.jpe

[epo]

Honestly, if you believe the scientists at 350.org (http://www.350.org/) we are at the point where civil disobedience might be necessary to fix this mess that we've all put ourselves in.

[celery]

Fox News has this as their most prominent story.

I know it's newsworthy, but given what's going on, it's just insane. How can anyone possibly take them seriously anymore?

http://i38.tinypic.com/2yov0nm.jpg

[scottinnj]

We already have a problem with eco-terrorists (http://www.fbi.gov/page2/jan06/elf012006.htm) without Gore stirring the pot.

http://www.fbi.gov/headlines/vail_fire.jpg

1998 Vail Ski Lodge burned by ALF (animal liberation front) and ELF (earth liberation front) causing 12 million in damage.


"Terrorism is terrorism, no matter what the motive," FBI Director Robert S. Mueller said during a press conference Friday at the Department of Justice. "There’s a clear difference between constitutionally protected advocacy—which is the right of all Americans—and violent criminal activity."


I say it again. Al Gore is a fucking douchebag.

[donnie_darko]

Lunatic Douchebag. Let's burn his mansion down first in the name of the environment, fucking hypocrite.


And it's very disturbing to see an elected official calling for disobedience as casually as he did, no specifics. That kind of statement gives the wackos on his side Carte Blanche to do whatever they want.


few years back you would've been right at home at your tv commenting on "dem uppity darkies in selma"

[Don Stugots]

http://www.tvshows.de/alf/poster/alf-po3.jpg

http://www.the-reel-mccoy.com/movies/2003/images/Elf_poster.jpg

lets gut the bastards.

[dino_electropolis]

Uhm...isnt it about time we engaged in some civil disobedience for :
1. well, just look out the window.


Alas, complacency is a sweet drug that huddles the masses into tv addicted, illiterate, unaware selfish loons.


Fuck this place.....i just got a great sub prime mortgage on a nice condo on Saturn.
:wallbash:

[scottinnj]

few years back you would've been right at home at your tv commenting on "dem uppity darkies in selma"


How is that relevant? And why assume I would be that way? I already said I know what civil disobedience is-and the proper application of it.

Refusing to leave a lunch table and getting arrested is non-violent civil disobedience in the face of an unjust law.

Like I said, Gore was pretty non-specific in that statement. So when a powerplant gets firebombed, blame it on Gore.

[scottinnj]

http://www.tvshows.de/alf/poster/alf-po3.jpg

http://www.the-reel-mccoy.com/movies/2003/images/Elf_poster.jpg

lets gut the bastards.

Save the alien, he eats cats, and that's a good thing.

[DarkHippie]

Fuck Civil Disobedience! MLK was a terrorist! Ghandi = Bin Ladin! Thoreau was a commie!!

[Don Stugots]

Fuck Civil Disobedience! MLC was a terrorist!

i knew he couldnt be trusted.

[epo]

How is that relevant? And why assume I would be that way? I already said I know what civil disobedience is-and the proper application of it.

Refusing to leave a lunch table and getting arrested is non-violent civil disobedience in the face of an unjust law.

Like I said, Gore was pretty non-specific in that statement. So when a powerplant gets firebombed, blame it on Gore.

Scott, honestly I think both you and Gore are right.

You are right that anyone condoning civil disobedience shouldn't just call for a blanket application.

Gore is right that its damned time we do something.

[scottinnj]

Scott, honestly I think both you and Gore are right.

You are right that anyone condoning civil disobedience shouldn't just call for a blanket application.

Gore is right that its damned time we do something.

But we are. Americans are tired of fossil fuels being our primary source of energy. A statement like that just puts those efforts on the back burner, the crazies on the right will come out and do what they do (Hannity) and the progress gets bogged down.

If he had called for peaceful protests at the construction sites and cited MLK and the way the civil rights movement I would be much less critical of Gore.

[Doogie]

Save the alien, he eats cats, and that's a good thing.

Yes, and he shits out little refined goods.

[epo]

But we are. Americans are tired of fossil fuels being our primary source of energy. A statement like that just puts those efforts on the back burner, the crazies on the right will come out and do what they do (Hannity) and the progress gets bogged down.

If he had called for peaceful protests at the construction sites and cited MLK and the way the civil rights movement I would be much less critical of Gore.

Scott, I see a problem here for Gore. It's a little academic so stay with me.

Historically if you study social movements, they always have multiple elements to them but there are two core elements...the "extremists" and the "moderates". The extremists serve to scare the shit out of the status quo, so that the moderates, while a distinct change seem "not so bad".

Historically, an example of that would be your citation of MLK. The reason that he was able to gain traction was the work of the Black Power movement, most notably Malcolm X. Malcolm was able to scare the living shit out of the status quo in the face of needed social change, and made the agenda of MLK look not so bad.

Now take Gore.

Gore had played the role of moderate for years on the carbon emissions issue and if elected president in 2000 would have been in the unique position to push the social agenda from the highest role in the land.

Now with the current social atmosphere, the environmental crazies, while existing don't have a face. So Gore is in a horrible spot on this issue that obviously encompasses his life's passion. With no Malcolm X character, he knows that somebody needs to fill this vacuum. So he very may well have decided that he needs to fill that vacuum.

The problem with the movement right now is that no real face has emerged to fill the moderate role. Gore still could move back to the moderate role himself due to his established credibility, but that window is definitely closing.

So the environmentalists need to step up because they are leaving Gore in the lurch on the most important issue of our time.

[PhilDeez]

On a side note, I can't put my head around this; a democrat - Gore opposes coal fired power generation facilities; at the same time, Obama - another democrat, opposes new nuclear power facilities - which do not produce carbon emissions. Does the left not enjoy electricity? One way or another, we have to meet the ever growing need.
However great the idea, wind energy is not a suitable replacement for either of the above.
If I am offbase about Obama's nuclear energy stance, sorry. I do know McCain is much more progressive in this regard.

[HBox]

On a side note, I can't put my head around this; a democrat - Gore opposes coal fired power generation facilities; at the same time, Obama - another democrat, opposes new nuclear power facilities - which do not produce carbon emissions. Does the left not enjoy electricity? One way or another, we have to meet the ever growing need.
However great the idea, wind energy is not a suitable replacement for either of the above.
If I am offbase about Obama's nuclear energy stance, sorry. I do know McCain is much more progressive in this regard.

Obama isn't anti-nuclear power.

[PhilDeez]

Obama isn't anti-nuclear power.

No, but much less willing to go forward with new construction of nuclear facilites or expansion.

[epo]

No, but much less willing to go forward with new construction of nuclear facilites or expansion.

I believe he is more cautious than Senator McCain, but has stated that if it can be done safely (http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2034620420080620), it should be a part of a mix of wind, solar and other clean alternatives.

This is a far more aggressive view than your traditional lefty.

[TooLowBrow]

wind and solar are good ways to go, however they are not actually 'green'. installing wind and solar 'farms' does harm to previously untouched environments. and due to the low wind/sun to energy rates these farm would have to be huge. they would take up way more space than the oil industry currently uses.

[PhilDeez]

I believe he is more cautious than Senator McCain, but has stated that if it can be done safely (http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2034620420080620), it should be a part of a mix of wind, solar and other clean alternatives.

This is a far more aggressive view than your traditional lefty.

Yes, I know where he stands. In my opinion it is an easy way to say, yes I will consider it but really not having to totally put his neck out there one way or another. Where McCain is all for going ahead and expanding the facilities we currently have or building new. Europe has been very successful in this aspect.
Look, I have gotten totally off topic. My point really was historically, and somewhat currently, the dems have been against nuclear power expansion. All of the sudden dem wonder boy Gore goes on a carbon campaign and wants to eliminate the major source of power generation in the US.

[nukinfuts]

Maybe if Al Gore was a fucking scientist I would listen to all of his expert opinions. What qualifies him to create these "facts" about the environment? He went to law school and according to the washington post (this is his senior year of college):

"The political champion of the natural world received that sophomore D in Natural Sciences 6 (Man's Place in Nature) and then got a C-plus in Natural Sciences 118 his senior year."

WTF...it's like asking a plumber to do brain surgery on you. Perhaps the plumber watches a lot of the discovery health channel.

Civil disobedience my ass. It's easy to talk about pushing back on coal and anything else that may create pollution when you are a fat rich bastard. Why doesn't he go to China and pull this shit..that's where all the factories and jobs have gone and they don't give a rats ass about the kind of crap going into the air and their products. Dear god I think I am going to have a stroke. Al Gore just reallllly pisses me off...and that's the inconvienient truth. :furious::furious::furious::furious:

[frye hole]

Wikipedia -
Civil disobedience is the active refusal to obey certain laws, demands and commands of a government, or of an occupying power, without resorting to physical violence.

[A.J.]

1998 Vail Ski Lodge burned by ALF (animal liberation front) and ELF (earth liberation front) causing 12 million in damage.

I only fear the KLF. Ah-huh-ha. Ah-huh-ha.

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[Freakshow]

Gore is right that its damned time we do something.

I don't know. Hybrids get to park on the first level of my parking garage, I think we're on our way!

[Tall_James]

Hybrids get to park on the first level of my parking garage, I think we're on our way!

That's because they don't have the power to make it up more than one level.

[Earlshog]

I agree... can you imagine if that wack job would have won the 2000 election. The world trade center would still be standing, government funded stem cell research, no Iraq war, no financial collapse, no one spying on our phone calls, no torturing prisoners of war, the environmental crisis on the right track instead of spinning out of control, planning and reacting to Katrina, less foreign dependence on oil, better schools, no trillion dollar debt with China, the rest of the world not hating us.... man would those be boring times in which to live!

Can we rename this thread Al Gore is mentally unstable?

[DarkHippie]

The fact that Americans are so afraid of civil disobedience is further evidence that the spirit of America is dead. People have exchanged their ideologies for complacency. If you don't believe in something, it is your right--and in cases your obligation, to protest. If you must break the law to do so, well, America was founded on breaking the law, wasn't it?

I have engaged in civil disobedience in the past, and while I had never been arrested, I've taken my lumps. I don't regret it.

[angrymissy]

http://www.morethings.com/fan/south_park/photo_gallery/al-gore-is-manbearpig.jpg

[scottinnj]

I believe he is more cautious than Senator McCain, but has stated that if it can be done safely (http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2034620420080620), it should be a part of a mix of wind, solar and other clean alternatives.

This is a far more aggressive view than your traditional lefty.

Yes, he has said on more then one occasion that he is for nucular energy. He is very much in favor of it as long as all safeguards are taken, and we finish the Yucca Mountain project to store the nucular waste.

It would be great if he tapped the minds of the Naval nuclear engineers-they would be a great help in getting safe nuclear electrical generators to the public.

[keithy_19]

The fact that Americans are so afraid of civil disobedience is further evidence that the spirit of America is dead. People have exchanged their ideologies for complacency. If you don't believe in something, it is your right--and in cases your obligation, to protest. If you must break the law to do so, well, America was founded on breaking the law, wasn't it?

I have engaged in civil disobedience in the past, and while I had never been arrested, I've taken my lumps. I don't regret it.

I'm currently reading Stephen King's On Writing and he remarks rather blatantly about his generation (the 60's) saying he hates it because they had the ability to change the world and they didn't.

But anyway, America seems to be doing a whole lot to cut back on carbon emissions. I know we can do more, but damn, imagine if other countries cared as much as we do.

[scottinnj]

I agree... can you imagine if that wack job would have won the 2000 election. The world trade center would still be standing,
Uh, how can you guarantee that? The original WTC bombing happened under the Clinton/Gore watch, the bombing of the U.S. Embassy, the USS Cole, etc.
It was the Clinton justice department that set up the wall between the CIA and the FBI which prevented sharing of information that could have stopped those attacks-maybe, maybe not.
Open your eyes. The attack on 9/11 was planned and practiced long before Bush/Cheney, and while your sarcasm makes some on this board happy, and while Bush screwed up-it was a screwup he inherited. If by some "magic wayback machine" you have gone back in time and experienced a Gore/Lieberman presidency on Earth II and Al Queada was foiled, the rest of us will be needing a lot more then your wishful thinking to come to the same conclusion.

[scottinnj]

But anyway, America seems to be doing a whole lot to cut back on carbon emissions. I know we can do more, but damn, imagine if other countries cared as much as we do.

Thank you! The Kyoto treaty everyone wanted the U.S. to sign made exemptions for countries such and India and China.

We are no longer the polluters of the earth. They are. And while we need to keep on track with what we are doing, Gore needs to focus some of his energy on other countries besides the U.S. and western Europe.

[DarkHippie]

Thank you! The Kyoto treaty everyone wanted the U.S. to sign made exemptions for countries such and India and China.

We are no longer the polluters of the earth. They are. And while we need to keep on track with what we are doing, Gore needs to focus some of his energy on other countries besides the U.S. and western Europe.

Why would anyone in China or India listen to him? He was never a vice president or senator there. At least here people know who he is.

[JPMNICK]

i vote for anyone who is in favor of nuclear energy. it is the smartest technology we have now to power this country

[Chigworthy]

i vote for anyone who is in favor of nuclear energy. it is the smartest technology we have now to power this country

Pripyat is beautiful this time of year.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Wikipedia -
Civil disobedience is the active refusal to obey certain laws, demands and commands of a government, or of an occupying power, without resorting to physical violence.

Yes, and "Islam" translated technically means "Peace". That doesn't mean people automatically associate that with the word. Scott's right to bash Gore for this. It's pretty fucking irresponsible.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Pripyat is beautiful this time of year.

You only know about it because you played the video game!

[CofyCrakCocaine]

My old man was involved with the Three Mile Island incident and is still a big fan of nuclear power- he also shares Obama's views for the most part. So for me personally, I can't see where that North Virginian guy's empirical logic ends and his bias begins. Maybe that's my bias. Maybe not! I'm just not sold on the "well, it's the smart and easy solution to suggest and that's WEAK!!!" argument. Sorry.

[spoon]

How is that relevant? And why assume I would be that way? I already said I know what civil disobedience is-and the proper application of it.

Refusing to leave a lunch table and getting arrested is non-violent civil disobedience in the face of an unjust law.

Like I said, Gore was pretty non-specific in that statement. So when a powerplant gets firebombed, blame it on Gore.

Isn't "CIVIL disobedience" pretty specific?!

[A.J.]

Isn't "CIVIL disobedience" pretty specific?!

What's so civil about disobedience?

http://spectacle.provocateuse.com/images/spectacles/axl_rose_01.jpg

[frye hole]

Yes, and "Islam" translated technically means "Peace". That doesn't mean people automatically associate that with the word. Scott's right to bash Gore for this. It's pretty fucking irresponsible.

So its Al Gore's fault people don't know what civil disobedience means?
I blame the schools!

[A.J.]

Yes, and "Islam" translated technically means "Peace".

Actually, it means "submission".

[Furtherman]

Isn't "CIVIL disobedience" pretty specific?!

Yes, and "Islam" translated technically means "Peace". That doesn't mean people automatically associate that with the word. Scott's right to bash Gore for this. It's pretty fucking irresponsible.

The "civil" in civil disobedience isn't a noun, it's an adjective. He's not telling people to disobey the law. He's telling them to protest peacefully. It's already been taken out of context.

[Earlshog]

Uh, how can you guarantee that? The original WTC bombing happened under the Clinton/Gore watch, the bombing of the U.S. Embassy, the USS Cole, etc.
It was the Clinton justice department that set up the wall between the CIA and the FBI which prevented sharing of information that could have stopped those attacks-maybe, maybe not.
Open your eyes. The attack on 9/11 was planned and practiced long before Bush/Cheney, and while your sarcasm makes some on this board happy, and while Bush screwed up-it was a screwup he inherited. If by some "magic wayback machine" you have gone back in time and experienced a Gore/Lieberman presidency on Earth II and Al Queada was foiled, the rest of us will be needing a lot more then your wishful thinking to come to the same conclusion.

Okay I'll open my eyes. So should we blame the Regan for 9/11? His proxy war against the Soviets did create the vacuum in Afghanistan that led to the Taliban and Al Qaeda. Sounds crazy when its put that way right?

Bush won the election in Nov 00. 9/11 occurred almost a year later. He was the President with the report detailing the potential for attack sitting on his desk in his inbox. 9/11 occurred on his watch not Clinton or Gores. This nonsense that its Clintons fault and Bush gets a pass is crazy talk ( I know that is not what you said but it has been suggested at nauseam) . Can I guarantee it wouldn't have happened had Gores been elected, no, we will never know. However I personally feel the situations in the aftermath would have been handled better had Gore been the President.

[scottinnj]

Okay I'll open my eyes. So should we blame the Regan for 9/11? His proxy war against the Soviets did create the vacuum in Afghanistan that led to the Taliban and Al Qaeda. Sounds crazy when its put that way right?



Nope. Hindsight is always 20/20-and a lot of what we did for the Mujahadeen/Taliban we now know was a mistake long term for a short term goal of sticking it to the Soviets.

Edit:
Plus Reagan's goal of defeating the Soviets had him totally ignore other problems that are now biting us in the ass. Just like Bush's myopic view on Iraq and allowing Afghanistan to get worse and Russia to start stoking the Old Regime fires under Eastern Europe with Putin's goal of reformulating the Soviet Empire in one form or another.

[cougarjake13]

http://www.morethings.com/fan/south_park/photo_gallery/al-gore-is-manbearpig.jpg



damn you

you beat me to it



what i was gonna say was i cannot believe the ramblings of a man who is afraid of manbearpig

[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

I really don't understand why people are questioning the fate of our planet, whether it be 20, 50, or 100 years into the future? Why are people even questioning our dependence of foreign oil? Why are there still people driving Hummers?

We need to curb the EXCESS. No one's really doing that. I don't see a problem with what Al Gore is saying.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Actually, it means "submission".

Yes, well, some Muslim told me it meant peace once. Then again he was a Copt, so I suppose he is something of an outsider to the religion... and not Muslim... doesn't it mean submission in like... peaceful tones?

[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

still a big fan of nuclear power-

I'm all for nuclear power if it's carried out in a SAFE and RESPONSIBLE way. Times have changed. We've had 30 years to get it right. UNFORTUNATELY, it's a politic hot button!

I'd rather see MORE SOLAR PANELS than nuclear reactors, of course. BUT THAT will ALSO take time if it's every brought up because the House and Senate CAN NEVER AGREE ON THINGS!!!

[CofyCrakCocaine]

The "civil" in civil disobedience isn't a noun, it's an adjective. He's not telling people to disobey the law. He's telling them to protest peacefully. It's already been taken out of context.

That's my point- words get taken out of context by the stupids out there who then go too far with it, warping the meaning to fit their own confused agenda. Anti-war protesters were mistakenly identified with whoever it was that burned down the ROTC building at Kent State and kids walking to class wound up getting dead over it. Educated folks like you and I would know the distinction between civil and non-civil disobedience... but we're not really what I'm worried about.

[Zorro]

On a side note, I can't put my head around this; a democrat - Gore opposes coal fired power generation facilities; at the same time, Obama - another democrat, opposes new nuclear power facilities - which do not produce carbon emissions. Does the left not enjoy electricity? One way or another, we have to meet the ever growing need.
However great the idea, wind energy is not a suitable replacement for either of the above.
If I am offbase about Obama's nuclear energy stance, sorry. I do know McCain is much more progressive in this regard.

You miss the point...it's electricity for the privileged class. Gore, Obama, McCain will never be without. They want to own their giant mansions, 13 cars and travel on private jets while the little people conserve.

[A.J.]

I'm all for nuclear power if it's carried out in a SAFE and RESPONSIBLE way.

Kent: Uh, Mr. Burns, people are calling this a meltdown.

Burns: [laughs] Oh, meltdown. It's one of those annoying buzzwords. We prefer to call it an unrequested fission surplus.

http://download.lardlad.com/framegrabs/8F04/47.jpg

[A.J.]

Yes, well, some Muslim told me it meant peace once. Then again he was a Copt, so I suppose he is something of an outsider to the religion... and not Muslim... doesn't it mean submission in like... peaceful tones?

Yes, submission to God (Allah) by living one's life according to the tenets He outlined in the Quran as revealed to the Prophet Muhammad.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Yes, submission to God (Allah) by living one's life according to the tenets He outlined in the Quran as revealed to the Prophet Muhammad.

It's a shame those Medina verses overrule alot of the Mecca...

[nukinfuts]

I'm all for nuclear power if it's carried out in a SAFE and RESPONSIBLE way. Times have changed. We've had 30 years to get it right. UNFORTUNATELY, it's a politic hot button!

I'd rather see MORE SOLAR PANELS than nuclear reactors, of course. BUT THAT will ALSO take time if it's every brought up because the House and Senate CAN NEVER AGREE ON THINGS!!!

I can't remember when the last time I heard of an issue with Nuclear facilities other than Three Mile Island. What we need to be afraid of is countries like China and India where regulations regarding how facilities are built and maintained are not even 1/10 as strict as what facilities in the US are held to. The problem with nuclear is that no one wants it in their back yard and the word strikes fear in people. The time to construct new facilities does not really help us in the now either. With the clean coal technology they have the ability to bring power plants which may have been moth balled back on line. I am from WV orginially so I don't believe that banning coal is the answer. There are many people that depend on mining for their jobs now if you can come up with a new "green" job for all of those people...not just WV but all of the states that rely on mining then I think you will have support. The images you get from people like Gore of what mining does to the environment I don't believe are accurate, there are many places where the land is reclaimed and better than it was before the mining. We are a day late and a dollar short on this energy movement. This is something they should have thought of putting more research into years ago but no one cared about it until their heating bills become unbearable and gas started to cost $5.00 a gallon. Everyone is responsible for it, not just one candidate, not one specific political party.