Presidential Debate Viewing/Drinking Thread 2

[scottinnj]

They'd feel the same way if they were Ugandan

Doubt it.

[Friday]

Is it just me or does anyone else hate the way Obama says "Pakistan"

almost as much as i hate the way McCain says 'tahlleeeebahn'

[ScottFromGA]

Fight Fight Fight!!!

[K.C.]

I've been an Obama supporter since it became clear that John Edwards wasn't going to get any traction in the Democratic Primary.


That said, I watched maybe a dozen or so Democratic Debates where I can honestly say Hillary Clinton kicked the shit out of Obama.


So it absolutely boggles my mind that McCain is so inept and so feeble and pinning Obama down on anything.

[ScottFromGA]

did the camera shot just purposely show McCain take a drink of water?


jesus...did you see how he wobbled just to take a sip?

[Misteriosa]

haha
my brother tried Zyrtec years ago and it gave him hallucinations.... i inherited those pretty quickly!

whoa... what did he see?

[scottinnj]

almost as much as i hate the way McCain says 'tahlleeeebahn'

Oof, that's another one. Like Palin saying tearoooreest.

[MacVittie]

ummm... I think McCain just messed up that quote, it's "Walk softly..."

I just looked it up, I got the quote wrong.

[yojimbo7248]

yes, gloves coming off on foreign policy.

[biozombie]

I can't stand pockystan & don't get me started on the tollybahn.

[tele7]

Go easy....please!

[epo]

Bomb Iran!

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That was NOT done with a friend!

[tele7]

Go easy....please!

whew!! that was close

[~Katja~]

how fucking unprofessional is this debate today? if they can't play by the rules they created themselves during a debate... HOW IN THE WORLD are they going to lead this country and stay true to their fake promises

[GreatAmericanZero]

McCain knows how to handle these crisis cuz he was caught and imprisoned for years

[ScottFromGA]

His military career is the reason I wanna vote for McCain...

[Kevin]

Bomb bomb bomb Iran, YEEEEEEEE HAAAAAWWW

[biozombie]

Did that geezer just say "telegraph"?

[yojimbo7248]

Oof, that's another one. Like Palin saying tearoooreest.

nothing tops Palin's nukuler in pure annoyance.

[ScottFromGA]

how fucking unprofessional is this debate today? if they can't play by the rules they created themselves during a debate... HOW IN THE WORLD are they going to lead this country and stay true to their fake promises

agreed.

[NickyL0885]

Wow....hear that? thats the sound of people pre-ordering the new McCain Comedy Album. it promises to include all the hits! :help:

[brettmojo]

He's so responsible militarily that he got shot down and captured... Yeah.

[TooLowBrow]

I can't stand pockystan & don't get me started on the tollybahn.

why complain? we all say spain instead of espania, france instead of fraance... americans love to mispronounce

[scottinnj]

So it absolutely boggles my mind that McCain is so inept and so feeble and pinning Obama down on anything.

Yeah, McCain is supposed to kick butt at town hall meeting type debates. Obama is doing great-staying with him on everything.

[Misteriosa]

When you get home from work, make sure you change your close, and wash your face and brush out your hair. This will help lessen the allergen triggers that you've picked up.

lookie what i found...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/29/nyregion/29asthma.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&pagewanted=all

[epo]

By the way, I want it pointed out before that Bomb Iran shit:

"We will kill bin Laden. We will crush al Qaeda."

That was Senator Obama. This is NOT your father's democratic nominee.

[commish13]

HOLY SHIT JOHN!

Obama NEVER said "attack Pakistan". He said "attack Osama if Osama is in Pakistan and Pakistan won't do it".

YOU STUPID FUCK MCCAIN

[biozombie]

why complain? we all say spain instead of espania, france instead of fraance... americans love to mispronounce

true, but does McCain still refer to France as "Gaul"?

[KatPw]

From what I have read of his military career, he was an arrogant SOB that constantly needed his father and grandfather clean up his fuck-ups.

[Friday]

whoa... what did he see?

a McCain/Palin white house.


http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/shocked003.gif

[scottinnj]

nothing tops Palin's nukuler in pure annoyance.

Yes there is:


HOckey MOm

[TooLowBrow]

we really gotta work closer with the pakistanis if we want to be free

[epo]

a McCain/Palin whitehouse.

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/shocked003.gif

I shudder to think of that possibility.

[commish13]

By the way, I want it pointed out before that Bomb Iran shit:

"We will kill bin Laden. We will crush al Qaeda."

That was Senator Obama. This is NOT your father's democratic nominee.

That's something that EVERYBODY has been saying for 7 years now. Everybody all over the world knows that we want to kill Osama and crush al Quaeda. So if you're trying to make Obama look bad for saying it, you're being ridiculous.

[TooLowBrow]

brokaw said russia!!! instead of r...r...r...soviet union

[brettmojo]

true, but does McCain still refer to France as "Gaul"?
No, he simple refers to the whole region as Pangea.

[NickyL0885]

i love when McCain mentions the surge. it kills him with the voters.

[KatPw]

lookie what i found...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/29/nyregion/29asthma.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&pagewanted=all

Absolutely disgusting.

[scottinnj]

That was Senator Obama. This is NOT your father's democratic nominee.

With Obama I believe it. When Edwards was Kerry's VP candidate and said that, I wanted to kick sand in his wimpy little face.

[scottinnj]

Seems Ohio Voters like what he says about Russia.

"I looked into his eyes and saw three letters: K G B"

Hmmm, I saw the same thing. Too bad Bush didn't-dummy.

[HBox]

McCain got his best reception by far on CNN for his response on Russia. It's a shame for him that Russia is probably the 77th most important issue on voters minds right now.

[NewYorkDragons80]

Kind of disrespectful body language.
I'd go so far as to call it racist behavior

[brettmojo]

lookie what i found...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/29/nyregion/29asthma.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&pagewanted=all

Absolutely disgusting.
"We've gotta' drill drill drill, drill baby drill!"

[~Katja~]

both not listening to the question... ugh

[brettmojo]

I love Putin. A Soviet Russia is exactly what this country needs.

[epo]

Reference to Obama's April/Georgia claim. Link here. (http://www.barackobama.com/2008/07/23/statement_of_senator_obama_on_1.php)

It's true.

Fact checking is so damned easy with the interwebz.....

[TooLowBrow]

both not listening to the question... ugh

yes...:wink:

[Friday]

both not listening to the question... ugh

well... they are men...

[yojimbo7248]

why did everyone laugh when McCain said "maybe" in the response to the Russia evil question. I don't get GOP humor.

[epo]

I'd go so far as to call it racist behavior

No, just disrespectful.

[brettmojo]

"Terry Shirey"???
DOUBLE GIRL NAME!!! DOUBLE GIRL NAME!!!

[~Katja~]

oh man, I thought he was gonna go sit on his lap... imagine he stumbled and fell???

[TooLowBrow]

why did everyone laugh when McCain said "maybe" in the response to the Russia evil question. I don't get GOP humor.

http://www.humanforsale.com/images/mr_magoo.jpg

[scottinnj]

well... they are men...

What was that again? Sorry, wasn't paying attention.:tongue:

[~Katja~]

"Terry Shirey"???
DOUBLE GIRL NAME!!! DOUBLE GIRL NAME!!!

I thought he said Shiavo... was about to say.. the bitch rose from the death for this occasion

[angryhobbit]

It irritates me how when McCain tries to raise his arms, he looks like a creepy pedo reaching for a kid at a playground...

[booster11373]

why did everyone laugh when McCain said "maybe" in the response to the Russia evil question. I don't get GOP humor.

Has there ever been a funny GOP'er?

[Hottub]

Senator McCain gets the edge on that situation.
More foreign policy knowledge.

[TooLowBrow]

mccain wants for us to use nuclear power everywhere be cause itll be cheap and open up new jobs, but wants poorer countries to abandon their pursuit of it

[yojimbo7248]

I thought he said Shiavo... was about to say.. the bitch rose from the death for this occasion

:lol:

[epo]

Has there ever been a funny GOP'er?

That's a nearly impossible task.

There is NO humor in the status quo.

[Caseyelan]

Has there ever been a funny GOP'er?

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/8/K/reagan-ears.gif

[NewYorkDragons80]

No, just disrespectful.

I just figured I'd get it out of the way so we know it's on record as being ridiculous by the time tomorrow morning rolls around :innocent:

[brettmojo]

I thought he said Shiavo... was about to say.. the bitch rose from the death for this occasion
She'd still be more lively than McCain.

[scottinnj]

Obama's thoughts on foreign policy seem to be inline with mine.

No veto power for the UN regarding our national security interests with Iran. 'Nuff said.

[tele7]

Done and Done!!

[angryhobbit]

Why doesn't Obama just say "Who's a good little Muslim?"..."Iran is!..."

[DarkHippie]

It irritates me how when McCain tries to raise his arms, he looks like a creepy pedo reaching for a kid at a playground...

http://www.brothatsmint.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/familyguybestofherbert.jpg

[scottinnj]

mccain wants for us to use nuclear power everywhere be cause itll be cheap and open up new jobs, but wants poorer countries to abandon their pursuit of it

I think his point is about Iran and North Korea, who want nucular power to build a bomb.

[NewYorkDragons80]

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/8/K/reagan-ears.gif

Out of context photos, is there no limit to your usefulness?

[angryhobbit]

I think his point is about Iran and North Korea, who want nucular power to build a bomb.

All the countries that want nuclear power for energy have it...if anyone else is coming on line, it is for destructive purposes.

[DarkHippie]

I'd be for nuclear power if we could get rid of the nuclear waste safely

[GreatAmericanZero]

i accidentally clicked on this page and a window opened up. What opened was pictures of Brett Mojo's dog Joba. That is one cute fucking dog

[brettmojo]

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/8/K/reagan-ears.gif
"Hello Mr. Gorbechev... My name is Bullwinkle. Where's Natasha?"

[~Katja~]

"you get first crack on that" ?????? did he just offer the black man drugs???

[TooLowBrow]

I think his point is about Iran and North Korea, who want nucular power to build a bomb.

i think any nation with nuclear capabilities will first use it for cheap energy. why stop that instead of just stopping weapons grade nukes?

[epo]

Senator McCain....What you don't know doesn't have ANYTHING to do with POW.

[yojimbo7248]

So, what does everyone think? Is there a clear winner?

[SinA]

I'm not your fucking friend, John.

[HBox]

"I don't know what the unexpected will be."

Neither can I hear the silent.

[scottinnj]

I'd be for nuclear power if we could get rid of the nuclear waste safely

Yucca Mountain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain)

[Caseyelan]

Out of context photos, is there no limit to your usefulness?


I was just noting the last time a GOP'er made me chuckle.

Is there no end to your funny bone?

[angryhobbit]

McCain got his ass handed to him tonight...

[rob126]

No clear winner, so that makes McCain the loser. I don't think this debate changes anything .

[brettmojo]

i accidentally clicked on this page and a window opened up. What opened was pictures of Brett Mojo's dog Joba. That is one cute fucking dog
And he's been sleeping through this entire debate.

[GreatAmericanZero]

I was just noting the last time a GOP'er made me chuckle.

Is there no end to your funny bone?

the new Oliver Stone "W." looks hilarious!

[KatPw]

Yay! More traffic on Long Island. I don't think I am leaving my house that day.

[HBox]

They were both much better this time than last time.

[scottinnj]

So, what does everyone think? Is there a clear winner?

No, but Obama did good for a town hall style debate, tonight puts to rest he "gets lost" when a teleprompter shuts down.

McCain was too weak to rebound in the polls, and Obama didn't give McCain the knockout blow.

[~Katja~]

So, what does everyone think? Is there a clear winner?

Ron Paul??? I don't know... their "fight" and not listening and answering straight to the questions kinda made them both lose points in my book... not that I can vote anyway...lol

[booster11373]

The lack of depth in these debates annoys me, 2 fairly smart individuals spend their time speaking so that they wont scare the stupid

[angryhobbit]

You know Cindy McCain was daydreaming of some good ol' deep dickin' when she shook Obama's hand...

[Judge Smails]

Ha ha ha! McCain wandering around the stage and in front of Brokaw's teleprompter like some senior citizen looking for the buffet in Atlantic City.

[Friday]

They were both much better this time than last time.

agreed.... i prefer the more casual walking around holding the mic debates over the standing rigid at a podium meetings.

it was good tonight. glad i watched.

[epo]

Just by judging the Ohio undecideds:

Winner: Obama
Meh: McCain
Loser: Tom Brokaw

[GreatAmericanZero]

Yay! More traffic on Long Island. I don't think I am leaving my house that day.

i went to summer camp at Hofstra University when i was a little kid. I would be so excited if i was still a Long Islander

[scottinnj]

McCain got his ass handed to him tonight...

Not really. Obama's job tonight was to eternally link McCain to Bush, and while he gave credit to Bush for a lot of the countries problems, he didn't really destroy McCain in the process.

[TooLowBrow]

it looks like someone turned a buck selling disposable cameras in the lobby

[Friday]

Just by judging the Ohio undecideds:

Winner: Obama
Meh: McCain
Loser: Tom Brokaw

i wish "Meh" was an option on election day.

[GreatAmericanZero]

In my opinion of "the CLEAR WINNER"

McCain's job was to WOW everyone (not show his titties O&A fans..but dazzle the audience)

he didn't

so i think the election will continue in the direction its been going

[scottinnj]

You know Cindy McCain was daydreaming of some good ol' deep dickin' when she shook Obama's hand...

Who the fuck are you anyway?

[KatPw]

i went to summer camp at Hofstra University when i was a little kid. I would be so excited if i was still a Long Islander

You'll always be a Long Islander, you can't escape it, it's in your blood.

[Misteriosa]

dont leave your house, kat... LI will be shut down. all the "highways" will be more like parking lots than usual

[rob126]

You know Cindy McCain was daydreaming of some good ol' deep dickin' when she shook Obama's hand...

Your comments added nothing to the discussion .

[angryhobbit]

Not really. Obama's job tonight was to eternally link McCain to Bush, and while he gave credit to Bush for a lot of the countries problems, he didn't really destroy McCain in the process.

As a Republican since '88, this is the first election that I was shouting at the TV at "my" candidate that the opponent sounded MUCH more electable (and that statement scares the crap out of me). That is why I say he got his ass kicked. If I am anywhere near the average red stater, he is screwed.

[GreatAmericanZero]

You'll always be a Long Islander, you can't escape it, it's in your blood.

believe it or not, NY area people are soooooooooo much nicer than over here

don't believe the hype

it occurred to me the other day, i havent had 1 buyback at a bar since i moved

anytime i've been at a bar in NY i'd always get atleast 1 buyback

[DarkHippie]

Yucca Mountain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain)

I've been invovled in protest against Yucca Mountain. Not only it is short sighted, but the nuclear waste is sent their by train and 18 wheeler. So we have nuclear waste driving cross county along our interstates. Not a good idea.

[scottinnj]

i think any nation with nuclear capabilities will first use it for cheap energy. why stop that instead of just stopping weapons grade nukes?

Because unlike France, Great Britain and the United States, the nuclear facilities these two countries have are Soviet-era style and are built to make plutonium, which makes bombs. Cheap electricity is just a side benefit.

Nuclear reactors here in the USA and other developed countries are designed to power steam turbines. They are not good at much else, and are a lot safer to operate then the nuke plants in Russia.

[KatPw]

believe it or not, NY area people are soooooooooo much nicer than over here

don't believe the hype

it occurred to me the other day, i havent had 1 buyback at a bar since i moved

anytime i've been at a bar in NY i'd always get atleast 1 buyback
That really surprises me. I assumed everyone would be like Jason and Andrea.

[SinA]

OH SHIT! Obama stuck out his hand for a handshake and McCain left him hanging!

[DarkHippie]

You know Cindy McCain was daydreaming of some good ol' deep dickin' when she shook Obama's hand...

Yeah, I heard Brokaw is hung like a mule with elephantism

[TooLowBrow]

Because unlike France, Great Britain and the United States, the nuclear facilities these two countries have are Soviet-era style and are built to make plutonium, which makes bombs. Cheap electricity is just a side benefit.

Nuclear reactors here in the USA and other developed countries are designed to power steam turbines. They are not good at much else, and are a lot safer to operate then the nuke plants in Russia.

so is a bigger threat weapons? or an accident?

[Judge Smails]

I've been invovled in protest against Yucca Mountain. Not only it is short sighted, but the nuclear waste is sent their by train and 18 wheeler. So we have nuclear waste driving cross county along our interstates. Not a good idea.

Geez! Why don't we load it onto rockets and shoot them over there instead?

[Misteriosa]

OH SHIT! Obama stuck out his hand for a handshake and McCain left him hanging!

someone with dvr please confirm this!!

[epo]

Your questions earlier are answered. Senator McCain indeed did use the phrase "That One".

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Just weird.

[DarkHippie]

Geez! Why don't we load it onto rockets and shoot them over there instead?

I picture a Smokey and the Bandit type scenario

[brettmojo]

I've been invovled in protest against Yucca Mountain. Not only it is short sighted, but the nuclear waste is sent their by train and 18 wheeler. So we have nuclear waste driving cross county along our interstates. Not a good idea.
My 4th grade teacher used to tell us a story about how he and a buddy were driving cross country once and they came behind an 18 wheeler at an off-ramp and all of the sudden when they got close to it all the hair on their body started standing straight up. They got away from the truck and it stopped. Scary shit.

We should really just launch it into space. Superman 4 had the right idea.

[angryhobbit]

Your questions earlier are answered. Senator McCain indeed did use the phrase "That One".

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Just weird.

I think he was trying to be "hip" or not come across as stuffy and could have made a MAJOR error...

[GreatAmericanZero]

That really surprises me. I assumed everyone would be like Jason and Andrea.

i went to PugFair last weekend with Jason & Andrea and Jason's parents and his parents put in paperwork to adopt a 1-eyed blind Pug. They are saints!

[JerseySean]

Your questions earlier are answered. Senator McCain indeed did use the phrase "That One".

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Just weird.

Nah, thats great. Johnny Mac didnt do enough. He failed to explain his new policy about renegotiating mortgages. That could have been a big debate winner and he failed. This debate is a draw and that means McCain is the loser.

[DarkHippie]

My 4th grade teacher used to tell us a story about how he and a buddy were driving cross country once and they came behind an 18 wheeler at an off-ramp and all of the sudden when they got close to it all the hair on their body started standing straight up. They got away from the truck and it stopped. Scary shit.

We should really just launch it into space. Superman 4 had the right idea.

It really is a supervillian origin waiting to happen

[epo]

Nah, thats great. Johnny Mac didnt do enough. He failed to explain his new policy about renegotiating mortgages. That could have been a big debate winner and he failed. This debate is a draw and that means McCain is the loser.

It's essentially over without a "major event".

[angryhobbit]

I think McCain saying that we need to buy up all the mortgages is just wrong...he should be advocating accountability and personal responsibility of both Wall Street and "Main Street"...instead he is enabling...

[Don Stugots]

Your questions earlier are answered. Senator McCain indeed did use the phrase "That One".

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Just weird.


i almost bust a gut when he said that.

[biozombie]

I picture a Smokey and the Bandit type scenario

"We gonna do what they said can't be done."
-Snowman

[TheGameHHH]

I kept a little running diary to see what candidate i side with more, just a little list of issues that felt important to me. Here's what I came up with:

I agree with John McCain on how he plans to fix part of the mortgage crisis by buying up bad mortgages and renegotiating them based on the current value of the homes.

I agree with Obama on his energy policy, how he values energy healthcare and entitlement in that order, his views on how we approach Bin Laden in Pakistan, his tax cuts, and lastly how he feels about world issues and conflicts such as Dafur, the Congo and Somalia.

[DarkHippie]

I think McCain saying that we need to buy up all the mortgages is just wrong...he should be advocating accountability and personal responsibility of both Wall Street and "Main Street"...instead he is enabling...

true, but if he said that, yet voted for the bailout, he would look like a waffler.

[angryhobbit]

Someone get McCain a Diablo sammich...he is in a god damn hurry...

[angryhobbit]

true, but if he said that, yet voted for the bailout, he would look like a waffler.

Agreed...he should never had voted for the bailout.

[HBox]

In CNN's focus group Obama had a very narrow victory, 12-10.

[JerseySean]

It's essentially over without a "major event".

I almost agree. McCain still has time to chip at this lead. Its the sports equivalent of being down 17 at the start of the 4th quarter when the other team has the ball. Is John McCain like John Elway or like Trent Dilfer? Hes come back before.

[Misteriosa]

true, but if he said that, yet voted for the bailout, he would look like a waffler.

or...

http://www.wetalkshop.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/havaiana.jpg

[biozombie]

I wonder if the average dumbass, who doesn't listen to R&F, actually thought Brokaw or McCain were amusing.

[angryhobbit]

I almost agree. McCain still has time to chip at this lead. Its the sports equivalent of being down 17 at the start of the 4th quarter when the other team has the ball. Is John McCain like John Elway or like Trent Dilfer? Hes come back before.

There are too many things going for Obama and not for McCain...I would say unless the Ayers attacks do something to Obama he could have a chance...but it is not likely. For the Obamamanics, he can do no wrong.

[JerseySean]

There are too many things going for Obama and not for McCain...I would say unless the Ayers attacks do something to Obama he could have a chance...but it is not likely. For the Obamamanics, he can do no wrong.

But Obamaniacs are about 15% of the electorate. The rest are strong dems and people in the middle. the RNC has more than Ayers or it would have been released later. I thin Ayres is the start of it. The one positive for McCain is that he is a known entity. Is there a nuclear option on the table? I would think so.

[HBox]

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This might be the enduring moment of this debate. The moment the contempt squeaked through.

[scottinnj]

I've been invovled in protest against Yucca Mountain. Not only it is short sighted, but the nuclear waste is sent their by train and 18 wheeler. So we have nuclear waste driving cross county along our interstates. Not a good idea.

The containers designed to carry the waste in have been tested with full speed freight train collisions. They hold up well. The size of the container belies the amount of waste inside of it. The container is huge for a small amount of depleted urainium.

Plus, the drivers who haul them are the cream of the crop, with at least a million miles of accident-free driving, and the trucks are escorted by police when driving near populated areas. Constant surveillance, GPS tracking etc., make hijacking or theft almost a moot point.

No one bats an eye at the amount of tanker trucks on the road hauling gasoline and heating oil, or the massive storage tank farms at refineries. These far outnumber the amount of containers hauling nuclear waste.

I'm sure you could find faults with the Yucca Mountain storage facility and the way the waste is brought to it, but it's like airplane travel-while the potential for disaster is greater then an auto accident, it's still a lot safer to fly then drive.

[JerseySean]

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This might be the enduring moment of this debate. The moment the contempt squeaked through.

Late to the party homes.

[celery]

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This might be the enduring moment of this debate. The moment the contempt squeaked through.

Yeah, this could blow up. It's no less offensive than "Lipstick on a pig". But I'm hoping the Dems don't resort to using this to smear McCain - they don't need to at this point.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/07/that-one-mccain-calls-oba_n_132802.html

[TheGameHHH]

The containers designed to carry the waste in have been tested with full speed freight train collisions. They hold up well. The size of the container belies the amount of waste inside of it. The container is huge for a small amount of depleted urainium.

Plus, the drivers who haul them are the cream of the crop, with at least a million miles of accident-free driving, and the trucks are escorted by police when driving near populated areas. Constant surveillance, GPS tracking etc., make hijacking or theft almost a moot point.

No one bats an eye at the amount of tanker trucks on the road hauling gasoline and heating oil, or the massive storage tank farms at refineries. These far outnumber the amount of containers hauling nuclear waste.

I'm sure you could find faults with the Yucca Mountain storage facility and the way the waste is brought to it, but it's like airplane travel-while the potential for disaster is greater then an auto accident, it's still a lot safer to fly then drive.

even if you consider storing nuclear waste in the mountain, wouldn't you want to store a small amount of it rather then depending almost fully on nuclear power? because from what i gathered for this debate was Obama wants to depend on solar & wind power as well as nuclear. however the only alternative source of energy mccain seemed to rely on was nuclear.

[yojimbo7248]

Oh my god, this CNN group of undecided voters sounds like retards. I could barely understand them but this gist of what most said was, 'no, I didn't hear what I want to hear and I still don't know who I am going to vote for". Holy shit, do you read newspapers, listen to radio, or get any even half-way decent news? There are big differences between the candidates on the issues. Go with the candidate that more closely matches your beliefs. I understand being an undecided voter if you are such a centrist that neither party is for you. However, we are weeks away and I can't imagine someone saying, "well, I am just starting to get to know the candidates and i haven't decided on who I like".

[JerseySean]

Yeah, this could blow up. It's no less offensive than "Lipstick on a pig".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/07/that-one-mccain-calls-oba_n_132802.html

In this country, that may work. That may be a subtle reminder if the media blows this up, it could actually hurt Obama.

[K.C.]

Oh my god, this (insert any network's name here) group of undecided voters sound like retards.

Fixed it.

[scottinnj]

so is a bigger threat weapons? or an accident?

In Iran's situation, both.

In North Korea's situation, more weapons then accident. We have offered to give North Korea an American reactor to replace what they have, so we'll see if they go for it.

BTW, Chavez is getting a Russian reactor too (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26938574/).

[HBox]

Oh my god, this CNN group of undecided voters sounds like retards. I could barely understand them but this gist of what most said was, 'no, I didn't hear what I want to hear and I still don't know who I am going to vote for". Holy shit, do you read newspapers, listen to radio, or get any even half-way decent news? There are big differences between the candidates on the issues. Go with the candidate that more closely matches your beliefs. I understand being an undecided voter if you are such a centrist that neither party is for you. However, we are weeks away and I can't imagine someone saying, "well, I am just starting to get to know the candidates and i haven't decided on who I like".

You nailed it. These people by and large don't pay attention and expect to have everything explained during these debates.

[HBox]

CBS News poll: Obama 39 McCain 27 Tie 35
70 uncommitted 15% will vote for Obama 14% will vote for McCain

CNN poll: 54 Obama 30 McCain

Obama before debate 60 positive 38 negative
after debate 64 positive 34 negative

McCain before debate 51 positive 46 negative
after debate 51 positive 46 negative

[scottinnj]

even if you consider storing nuclear waste in the mountain, wouldn't you want to store a small amount of it rather then depending almost fully on nuclear power? because from what i gathered for this debate was Obama wants to depend on solar & wind power as well as nuclear. however the only alternative source of energy mccain seemed to rely on was nuclear.

Oh yes, I agree with you there. I haven't seen much thought of "what do we do when Yucca Mountain is full"

But France seems to have a handle on it. I'd like to see more on what they do about their waste-there has to be a way to recycle it and reuse it.
I'm with you on nuclear power-it should not be the means to an end. I want a balanced power grid.

Nuclear reactors are swell for major populated areas that need a lot of energy. But there are a lot of areas of the country that wind farms and solar power can provide plenty of power for.

[angryhobbit]

CNN just replayed the "that one" clip...this will not be good for McCain. Obama will be gracious and excuse it away, making him all the more likable.

[scottinnj]

You nailed it. These people by and large don't pay attention and expect to have everything explained during these debates.

Yep. I hate these "Undecided Voter" segments as much as I hate the "man on the street" interviews after a murder or a cop gets shot.

The media has a unique way of finding the dummies.

[SinA]

OH SHIT! Obama stuck out his hand for a handshake and McCain left him hanging!

someone with dvr please confirm this!!

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[HBox]

CNN Poll:

Who's better on iraq?
51 Obama 47 McCain

Who's better on terrorism?
51 McCain 46 Obama

Who's better on the economy?
Obama 59 McCain 37

Who's better on financial issues?
Obama 57 McCain 36

[Tenbatsuzen]

CNN Poll:

Who's better on iraq?
51 Obama 47 McCain

Who's better on terrorism?
51 McCain 46 Obama

Who's better on the economy?
Obama 59 McCain 37

Who's better on financial issues?
Obama 57 McCain 36

Who's better then Kanyon?
Obama 53 McCain 42

[yojimbo7248]

CNN Poll:

Who's better on iraq?
51 Obama 47 McCain

Who's better on terrorism?
51 McCain 46 Obama

Who's better on the economy?
Obama 59 McCain 37

Who's better on financial issues?
Obama 57 McCain 36

Damn, those two economic numbers do not bode well for McCain. I didn't realize Obama had such a big lead in the economic questions in the polls.

[scottinnj]

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It looked like he patted Obama on the back to turn him around so he could introduce Cindy to him.

[K.C.]

The thing that struck me was how much FOX was killing McCain after the debate for the mortgage buy-up proposal.

Even Fred Barnes and Bill Kristol sounded almost resigned to the fact that the McCain campaign has hit the iceberg.




David Gergen's talking up the Bradley effect, though, on CNN.

[HBox]

It looked like he patted Obama on the back to turn him around so he could introduce Cindy to him.

"Hey Barry! This is my wife. She's never met a black man in person before. Go ahead honey, you can touch his hand, he won't bite."

[HBox]

The thing that struck me was how much FOX was killing McCain after the debate for the mortgage buy-up proposal.

Even Fred Barnes and Bill Kristol sounded almost resigned to the fact that the McCain campaign has hit the iceberg.

That wasn't a new idea. It's already written into the bailout.

[K.C.]

That wasn't a new idea. It's already written into the bailout.

The way the media is spinning it is that he was proposing something additional on top of the bailout.

All three networks are running with that in the post-debate.

[scottinnj]

HBox, you so funny!:lol:

CNN:

Who was more likeable in the debate?

Obama 65%

McCain 28%


That is telling-you know how undecideds are "style over substance" and Bush won because we could see ourselves having a beer with the guy.

[HBox]

The way the media is spinning it is that he was proposing something additional on top of the bailout.

All three networks are running with that in the post-debate.

Really? CNN pointed out it was already on the books.

Assholes.

[brettmojo]

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Wow.

Who's better then Kanyon?
Obama 53 McCain 42
That's fucking funny.

[scottinnj]

"Hey Barry! This is my wife. She's never met a black man in person before. Go ahead honey, you can touch his hand, he won't bite."
:lol:

[K.C.]

HBox, you so funny!:lol:

CNN:

Who was more likeable in the debate?

Obama 65%

McCain 28%


That is telling-you know how undecideds are "style over substance" and Bush won because we could see ourselves having a beer with the guy.



Only ONE poll matters

FOX News Hannity & Colmes text vote poll

McCain - 86%
Obama - 12%


Game...Set....Match!!!!!!

[NickyL0885]

listening to all the post debate coverage. it seems McCains "That One" gaff will be the story of the debate. Unless he gets Obama to quit this race, its over. Not even the last debate will help him. He would need to crush Obama so badly, which i dont think is ever going to happen. Town Halls were supposed to be McCains forte. and he lost.

[brettmojo]

Only ONE poll matters

FOX News Hannity & Colmes text vote poll

McCain - 86%
Obama - 12%


Game...Set....Match!!!!!!
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/1260/mov02220nk7.gif

[scottinnj]

Only ONE poll matters

FOX News Hannity & Colmes text vote poll

McCain - 86%
Obama - 12%


Game...Set....Match!!!!!!

The only way that poll would have been higher is if McCain whipped out his johnson and peed on Obama. The 12% who thought he lost were conservatives who are pissed off McCain didn't come to the debate with an M-16 to end their nightmares of an Obama administration.

Edit: except for mine, I just sent in "b" in hopes Hannity has an on-air stroke.

[epo]

More from CNN:

Who expressed his views more clearly in the debate?

Obama 60
McCain 30

Who spent more time attacking his opponent?

Obama 17
McCain 63

Who seemed to be the stronger leader?

Obama 54
McCain 43

Who was most likeable?

Obama 65
McCain 28

[K.C.]

The only way that poll would have been higher is if McCain whipped out his johnson and peed on Obama. The 12% who thought he lost were conservatives who are pissed off McCain didn't come to the debate with an M-16 to end their nightmares of an Obama administration.

That pretty much sums it up.


Listening to Hannity and Karl Rove analyze this thing, you'd have thought Obama showed up in a lime green suit with custom knucks and told everyone that "We be gettin' ours" in November.

[scottinnj]

That pretty much sums it up.


Listening to Hannity and Karl Rove analyze this thing, you'd have thought Obama showed up in a lime green suit with custom knucks and told everyone that "We be gettin' ours" in November.

Don't hate the playa, hate the game, baby!

http://jameshannon.com/ChillerTheatre/images/Chiller2001-jameshuggybear3.jpg

I'm glad I had CNN on for this.

[scottinnj]

send the letter "b" to 36288.

Trust me.

[thejives]

This was a romp. McCain stumbled through a series of gibberish answers.

I drank 2 bottles of wine trying to keep up with all the "my friends."

soooo... I'm messed up.

[Ritalin]

send the letter "b" to 36288.

Trust me.

Alright, I did it..what did I just do?

[scottinnj]

This was a romp. McCain stumbled through a series of gibberish answers.

I drank 2 bottles of wine trying to keep up with all the "my friends."

soooo... I'm messed up.


Keep one glass in the fridge for the morning.

It'll help when you wake up.

[scottinnj]

Alright, I did it..what did I just do?

Just voted "obama" as the winner of the debate for the Fox News poll.

[Ritalin]

Just voted "obama" as the winner of the debate for the Fox News poll.

heh heh.

I owe you a beer.

[K.C.]

Olbermann showing C-Span clips of Barack and Michelle staying 20 minutes or so after the debate talking to all the Town Hall questioners, and taking pictures with them.

McCain bolted the stage almost immediately.


John King making a good point on CNN...McCain is running behind on Independents. If he splits EVEN, he still loses the election because of the Democratic/Republican registration breakdowns.

McCain needs to carry Independents by a 15-20% margin to win the election and he's losing them outright to Obama right now.

[epo]

McCain/Obama handshake after the debate:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/images/2008/10/07/shakepauljrichardsafpgetty_2.jpg

[HBox]

McCain/Obama handshake after the debate:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/images/2008/10/07/shakepauljrichardsafpgetty_2.jpg

HEY! I'M TRYING TO READ THE TELEPROMPTER! GET OUT OF MY WAY OLD MAN!

[epo]

A reaction (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/live-blogging-n.html) from an interesting voice in Andrew Sullivan, a openly gay conservative:

This was, I think, a mauling: a devastating and possibly electorally fatal debate for McCain. Even on Russia, he sounded a little out of it. I've watched a lot of debates and participated in many. I love debate and was trained as a boy in the British system to be a debater. I debated dozens of times at Oxofrd. All I can say is that, simply on terms of substance, clarity, empathy, style and authority, this has not just been an Obama victory. It has been a wipe-out.It has been about as big a wipe-out as I can remember in a presidential debate. It reminds me of the 1992 Clinton-Perot-Bush debate. I don't really see how the McCain campaign survives this.

[scottinnj]

heh heh.

I owe you a beer.

I hold you to that at the inauguration.

You going to D.C. brother? I am just so my kids can see history being made in this country.

[scottinnj]

A reaction (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/live-blogging-n.html) from an interesting voice in Andrew Sullivan, a openly gay conservative:
This was, I think, a mauling: a devastating and possibly electorally fatal debate for McCain. Even on Russia, he sounded a little out of it. I've watched a lot of debates and participated in many. I love debate and was trained as a boy in the British system to be a debater. I debated dozens of times at Oxofrd. All I can say is that, simply on terms of substance, clarity, empathy, style and authority, this has not just been an Obama victory. It has been a wipe-out.It has been about as big a wipe-out as I can remember in a presidential debate. It reminds me of the 1992 Clinton-Perot-Bush debate. I don't really see how the McCain campaign survives this.

I don't know if I'd go that far, but McCain did not win this. Therefore, Obama wins simply by continuing to ride the wave of consistancy all the way to November.

If McCain had done or said something memorable to create some kind of buzz about his campaign, that would have had them break even and would have stopped the hemorraging of votes resulting from the economic crisis we are in.
But he didn't. IMO, they kind of broke even. So Obama wins by default-the stronger candidate going into a debate that resulted in a tie.

[scottinnj]

Okay, now I'm pissed.

Carly Fiorina is on Fox schooling us dunderheads about how to fix the mortgage crisis.

I'm sorry but back when I lived in Kansas I worked for a company called Vanstar, and we did break/fix warranty work on Compaq equipment, which, IMO was the best shit on the market.

Carly came onto the HP scene and decided to have HP buy out Compaq and have a company that makes stellar servers go under the wing of a company that is known for making printers and over-priced inkjet cartridges with weird part numbers.

She's a dummy, and should be smacked by anyone who sees her.

[Kevin]

This is the time where McCains hack decision to pick Palin, instead of a strong VP candidate REALLY hurts. A strong person that could held thier own, would have helped alot. But stupid Palin spends most of her time trying to sound folkish and likeable instead if reading up and actualy knowing what the fuck she is talking about. BIG BIG Backfire, in my opinion.

[Friday]

Your questions earlier are answered. Senator McCain indeed did use the phrase "That One".

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Just weird.

i never questioned it.
heard it loud and clear.

so did my dad and stepmom. they found it as amusing and sad as i did.

and these are lifetime Republican voters who are pro-Obama in 08.
seems to be a common occurrence these days

[Tenbatsuzen]

This is the time where McCains hack decision to pick Palin, instead of a strong VP candidate REALLY hurts. A strong person that could held thier own, would have helped alot. But stupid Palin spends most of her time trying to sound folkish and likeable instead if reading up and actualy knowing what the fuck she is talking about. BIG BIG Backfire, in my opinion.

I honestly think the only thing that will stop Obama in November at this point is the closet racism.

And that's coming from someone who adored McCain 8 years ago.

You put Obama in there. You make sure his cabinet is top notch.

A change is needed. PUT SOME SAM FUCKING COOKE ON.

[Snoogans]

my thoughts on the debate:

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[PapaBear]

I honestly think the only thing that will stop Obama in November at this point is the closet racism.
Not all of it's in the closet. (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/1008082voter1.html?link=rssfeed) Fortunately, racists are fucking idiots.

[torker]

I honestly think the only thing that will stop Obama in November at this point is the closet racism.

As opposed to blatant ageism.