More Democrat Voter Fraud

[JerseySean]

This is why we need photo ID at all polling centers nationwide.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/30613864.html

[Sinestro]

This is why we need photo ID at all polling centers nationwide.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/30613864.html


But they all look alike!

[jetdog]

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hints:

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ITEOTWAWKI = REM

TITEMOFTE = the doors

LC = my sig pic

[JerseySean]

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hNf_-bBZls_mvLIRCFJtlkMM3mhAD93MIU6O0

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/acornproject_vote_voting_drive.html

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/08/cuyahoga_board_probes_voter_re.html

Updates, more articles.

[Jujubees2]

This is why we need photo ID at all polling centers nationwide.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/30613864.html

Oh that's a bunch of bull. First of all, these fraudulent names were only entered so the people would get paid. I don't think they had any plan to go and vote under those names.

Besides, if you read the entire article, they do ask for ID if there wasn't a driver's license or SSN matched with the name.

People whose forms listed phony or business addresses would have been sent a letter advising them they would be voided if they didn't respond within 15 days. People who didn't list a driver's license or Social Security number that matched their name and address would be flagged on the voter rolls and required to bring photo identification to the polls to be allowed to vote.

Because of the safeguards, Lomax said he was confident no one will vote who shouldn't be allowed. "People don't need to fear for the integrity of this election," he said.

[mikeyboy]

"Democratic Voter Fraud" makes it sound like it's a concerted effort to bolster the number of votes for Democrats. It sounds like it stems from a bunch of schmoes earning $8 an hour registering voters making up names to meet their quota. There's absolutely no indication that anyone intended to vote using those false names, let alone that they would be used to vote Democrat. So your title is a tad misleading, but I can't say that I'm surprised you used it.

[jetdog]

"Democratic Voter Fraud" makes it sound like it's a concerted effort to bolster the number of votes for Democrats. It sounds like it stems from a bunch of schmoes earning $8 an hour registering voters making up names to meet their quota. There's absolutely no indication that anyone intended to vote using those false names, let alone that they would be used to vote Democrat. So your title is a tad misleading, but I can't say that I'm surprised you used it.

damn that's what i was gonna say, but then I just typed up this stupid lyrics puzzle because I thought it would be more fun.

[HBox]

"Democratic Voter Fraud" makes it sound like it's a concerted effort to bolster the number of votes for Democrats. It sounds like it stems from a bunch of schmoes earning $8 an hour registering voters making up names to meet their quota. There's absolutely no indication that anyone intended to vote using those false names, let alone that they would be used to vote Democrat. So your title is a tad misleading, but I can't say that I'm surprised you used it.

Haven't you heard? It's Clinton's fault.

[SatCam]

More Democrat Voter Fraud

HAHA that's right!!!!!!!!!!! suck it

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/Mission-accomplished.jpg

[Kevin]

Haven't you heard? It's Clinton's fault.

He was gunna use it to bribe them to get BJs.

[JerseySean]

"Democratic Voter Fraud" makes it sound like it's a concerted effort to bolster the number of votes for Democrats. It sounds like it stems from a bunch of schmoes earning $8 an hour registering voters making up names to meet their quota. There's absolutely no indication that anyone intended to vote using those false names, let alone that they would be used to vote Democrat. So your title is a tad misleading, but I can't say that I'm surprised you used it.

ACORN repeatedly does this nationwide. In NV, that may be the case, in Ohio, NJ, MO, etc, those safeguards do not exist. in 2004, there were prosecutions for this is Ohio. Are you questioning my integrity with your reference to my title sir? Have you no decency?

[scottinnj]

Haven't you heard? It's Clinton's fault.

I thought it was Mayor Daley's fault? The dead one, I mean.

[HBox]

I thought it was Mayor Daley's fault? The dead one, I mean.

ULTIMATELY, it's Lincoln's fault.

Yeah. I said it.

[Sinestro]

"You wanna know who's fault it is??? It's that one over there"

[JerseySean]

It is the fault of state legislatures and Governors. People should have to show photo ID at every precinct in America. How could someone be against that?

[mendyweiss]

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/sportatorium/Carnac.jpg

May A Yak Get Friendly With Your Sister !!

[mikeyboy]

It is the fault of state legislatures and Governors. People should have to show photo ID at every precinct in America. How could someone be against that?

Who here said they were against it? I merely took issue with your characterization that there was "Democratic Voter Fraud" in this case when there doesn't appear to be any indication that there is.

[HBox]

I'll take issue with requiring a PHOTO ID. There is no national ID and there are lots of people with no driver's licenses. They shouldn't be prevented from voting.

[Jughead]

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/sportatorium/Carnac.jpg

May A Yak Get Friendly With Your Sister !!

:lol::lol::lol:..I lauuuughed thanks

[jetdog]

I'll take issue with requiring a PHOTO ID. There is no national ID and there are lots of people with no driver's licenses. They shouldn't be prevented from voting.
boy, that was pretty simple.

this is the same thing that happens in CA, all the time. miscellaneous people are hired to get signatures for propositions. they are paid by the number of signatures they turn in. of course the next thing to happen is the fabrication of names.

[Sinestro]

I'll take issue with requiring a PHOTO ID. There is no national ID and there are lots of people with no driver's licenses. They shouldn't be prevented from voting.


USA! USA! USA!

[epo]

Wait for it..............

[JerseySean]

Who here said they were against it? I merely took issue with your characterization that there was "Democratic Voter Fraud" in this case when there doesn't appear to be any indication that there is.

ACORN is a Democrat group. I have run many voter registragtion drives. We would send people out with numbered forms, count them when they came in, called to verify the registration from the registrant. Even as Republicans, if someone filled out a reg form, and wanted to be a registered Democrat, we would take the form anyway for legal reasons and send it in for them. the whole process was accounted for. Our lawyers would shit if we lost a numbered form and question the gatherer intently. In California, paid voter registration drives are common place from both parties and you dont hear about this. ACORN does this all the time and they just dont care.

[JerseySean]

I'll take issue with requiring a PHOTO ID. There is no national ID and there are lots of people with no driver's licenses. They shouldn't be prevented from voting.

No but they can get county or state or military IDs. It is simple and available everywhere in the United States.

[torker]

I'll take issue with requiring a PHOTO ID. There is no national ID and there are lots of people with no driver's licenses. They shouldn't be prevented from voting for Obama
:wink:

[Drunky McBetidont]

does jerseysean listen to ron and fez? or is he paid by the republican party to sway voters to the right???



he got my vote, btw.

[JerseySean]

does jerseysean listen to ron and fez? or is he paid by the republican party to sway voters to the right???



he got my vote, btw.

I am an avid listener since ronandfez.com

[Jujubees2]

No but they can get county or state or military IDs. It is simple and available everywhere in the United States.

Yeah, and most state IDs come with a cost. So you're saying that people have to pay to vote?

[mikeyboy]

ACORN is a Democrat group. I have run many voter registragtion drives. We would send people out with numbered forms, count them when they came in, called to verify the registration from the registrant. Even as Republicans, if someone filled out a reg form, and wanted to be a registered Democrat, we would take the form anyway for legal reasons and send it in for them. the whole process was accounted for. Our lawyers would shit if we lost a numbered form and question the gatherer intently. In California, paid voter registration drives are common place from both parties and you dont hear about this. ACORN does this all the time and they just dont care.

But every indication is that in this particular case it has nothing to do with a plan of action by ACORN and everything to do with low-paid labor trying to meet their quota. Also, as stated, none of these fake voters are going to get to vote.

Hence...

in this case...

no Democrat voter fraud.

[JerseySean]

Yeah, and most state IDs come with a cost. So you're saying that people have to pay to vote?

You should need an ID to be able to vote. If we cant trust ACORN to properly watch people who get voter registration for them, how can we trust people to respect the integrity of the vote.

[K.C.]

Can we get JerseySean a Joe McCarthy avatar and then let him loose to discover who's part of Mojo's super secret RonFez.net sleeper communist cell?



http://www.lhs.laurel.k12.de.us/project/McCarthy.jpg

[HBox]

But every indication is that in this particular case it has nothing to do with a plan of action by ACORN and everything to do with low-paid labor trying to meet their quota. Also, as stated, none of these fake voters are going to get to vote.

Hence...

in this case...

no Democrat voter fraud.

Have you been pallin around with terrorists? Because you sure sound like you've been pallin around with terrorists.

[torker]

Hence...

in this case...

no Democrat voter fraud.
http://www.sethbarnes.com/blogphotos/sethbarnes/www/great_oz.jpg
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

[JerseySean]

But every indication is that in this particular case it has nothing to do with a plan of action by ACORN and everything to do with low-paid labor trying to meet their quota. Also, as stated, none of these fake voters are going to get to vote.

Hence...

in this case...

no Democrat voter fraud.

It is institutional complacancy. How can an organization with tens of millions of dollars be so complacant, it is willing and intentional. In NV people wont be able to vote on those false registrations, in Ohio they will, in NJ they will in MO they will. There are many myths about voter fraud, but some of it is also real.

[mikeyboy]

Have you been pallin around with terrorists? Because you sure sound like you've been pallin around with terrorists.

I saw GAZ on his Paltalk cam a couple of days ago, and he's starting to look like he's part of a sleeper cell.

[Hottub]

It's been the motto of Hudson County Democrats for 80 years. Voter fraud still runs rampant.:wink:
http://democraticnationalconvention.com/images/vote_early3.gif

[JerseySean]

Can we get JerseySean a Joe McCarthy avatar and then let him loose to discover who's part of Mojo's super secret RonFez.net sleeper communist cell?



http://www.lhs.laurel.k12.de.us/project/McCarthy.jpg

VINDICATED!

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=17401

[Jujubees2]

It is institutional complacancy. How can an organization with tens of millions of dollars be so complacant, it is willing and intentional. In NV people wont be able to vote on those false registrations, in Ohio they will, in NJ they will in MO they will. There are many myths about voter fraud, but some of it is also real.

You mean like how the Republicans wrongly had some people in Florida listed as felons so that they couldn't vote in 2000?

[JerseySean]

It's been the motto of Hudson County Democrats for 80 years. Voter fraud still runs rampant.:wink:
http://democraticnationalconvention.com/images/vote_early3.gif

Yes it does, I have witnessed it firsthand.

[JerseySean]

You mean like how the Republicans wrongly had some people in Florida listed as felons so that they couldn't vote in 2000?

That was the firm, not the Republicans. that was an unfortunate mistake.

[mikeyboy]

It is institutional complacancy. How can an organization with tens of millions of dollars be so complacant, it is willing and intentional. In NV people wont be able to vote on those false registrations, in Ohio they will, in NJ they will in MO they will. There are many myths about voter fraud, but some of it is also real.

Should ACORN have more safeguards in place? Yeah maybe. I honestly don't much about this issue beyond the article you cited to, and I'm not quite ready to take your word on everything happening outside of this jurisdiction.

However, if you're talking about the same circumstances occurring in other states (workers adding fake names to get paid) there still doesn't seem to be any indication that anyone is actually intending to use those votes. It also seems pretty far from showing that there is a concerted effort by ACORN or anyone affiliated with them to increase the number of votes for Democrats. Laziness does not equal a diabolical plan. If you can link me to something more nefarious, be my guest.

[JerseySean]

Should ACORN have more safeguards in place? Yeah maybe. I honestly don't much about this issue beyond the article you cited to, and I'm not quite ready to take your word on everything happening outside of this jurisdiction.

However, if you're talking about the same circumstances occurring in other states (workers adding fake names to get paid) there still doesn't seem to be any indication that anyone is actually intending to use those votes. It also seems pretty far from showing that there is a concerted effort by ACORN or anyone affiliated with them to increase the number of votes for Democrats. Laziness does not equal a diabolical plan. If you can link me to something more nefarious, be my guest.

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/duke/050819

Also I can cite personal experiences but I'll pass. The reasons I cite this artice, which is obviously biased, is because this guy obviously isnt an operative, not knowing what "GOTV" meant but his other info is consistant with other reports and accounts and personal experiences I have seen. To be complaicant in this situation is intentional. ACORN's sole purpose is to get morre votes for Democrats and their complacancy is in some states, criminaly negligent. If you are really interested in this mikey as a lawyer, I can personally send you legal opinions I have recieved on this from various campaign attorneys if I can find them.

[mikeyboy]

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/duke/050819


.
All are very independant sites with no agenda and definately open minded.

I couldn't resist.

[JerseySean]

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/duke/050819

Also I can cite personal experiences but I'll pass. The reasons I cite this artice, which is obviously biased

I hate to quote myself Mikey, but I admitted it to be a biased source

[mikeyboy]

I hate to quote myself Mikey, but I admitted it to be a biased source

Sorry. Missed that.

[DarkHippie]

according to the article, ACORN flagged these names months ago. Is it possible that the State didn't move on it till now? To act in October as an "october surprise?"

Yes.

[JerseySean]

according to the article, ACORN flagged these names months ago. Is it possible that the State didn't move on it till now? To act in October as an "october surprise?"

Yes.

If this is the big October surprise, McCain is done. I doubt that. ACORN said they flagged the names and still submitted the forms.

[celery]

vote or die

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[scottinnj]

Yeah, and most state IDs come with a cost. So you're saying that people have to pay to vote?

States that have passed photo ID laws to combat voter fraud have made state IDs free of charge. Some states have gone as far as funded mobile ID vans so people who can't make it to the DMV can have a photo ID made at their home.

[epo]

States that have passed photo ID laws to combat voter fraud have made state IDs free of charge. Some states have gone as far as funded mobile ID vans so people who can't make it to the DMV can have a photo ID made at their home.

Exactly. I have no problem with a photo ID being part of a election solution, however the local republicans never want to give them away. Without the free ID you are essentially creating a "poll tax" which is highly illegal.

[scottinnj]

Exactly. I have no problem with a photo ID being part of a election solution, however the local republicans never want to give them away. Without the free ID you are essentially creating a "poll tax" which is highly illegal.

And anyone living in a state or county that requires a photo ID but won't offer them for free should be protesting the voting precincts on November 4th, and have a continuous picket line in front of the superintendent of elections office.

CIVIL disobedience, with the emphasis on CIVIL

[epo]

And anyone living in a state or county that requires a photo ID but won't offer them for free should be protesting the voting precincts on November 4th, and have a continuous picket line in front of the superintendent of elections office.

CIVIL disobedience, with the emphasis on CIVIL

Hence the irony of conservatives bitching about rolls being inaccurate, yet not providing free IDs to the poor or providing state & local governments enough resources to maintain proper voter rolls.

This country needs to wake up a bit and try a little civil disobedience once in a while. Who knows...maybe we'd send a message.

[scottinnj]

This country needs to wake up a bit and try a little civil disobedience once in a while. Who knows...maybe we'd send a message.

Just please keep Gore out of it, pleeese?

[JerseySean]

http://www.ksla.com/global/story.asp?s=9177256

Directly funded by Democrat Party

[epo]

http://www.ksla.com/global/story.asp?s=9177256

Directly funded by Democrat Party

A. Where is the proof that "Voting is Power" is funded DIRECTLY by the democratic party.

B. The group behind "Voting is Power" is a Muslim-American group. Honest to God can we stop the "Obama is Muslim" inferences. If you wanna claim it, just claim the shit. Otherwise put the bullshit tactic away.

[booster11373]

http://www.ksla.com/global/story.asp?s=9177256

Directly funded by Democrat Party

Potential voter registration fraud

Which means, organizers hire people to register people to vote, the amount of names equal how much they get paid they don't hire the cream of the crop to do this which leads some people just putting names on a sheet of paper.

And there is a huge difference between registration fraud and actual Voter fraud

[brettmojo]

Potential voter registration fraud

Which means, organizers hire people to register people to vote, the amount of names equal how much they get paid they don't hire the cream of the crop to do this which leads some people just putting names on a sheet of paper.

And there is a huge difference between registration fraud and actual Voter fraud
Shhhh!!!

Stop trying to ruin his bit.

[Knowledged_one]

A news story on the local news yesterday here in Ohio was talking about teh ACORN voter drive and its horrible practices

One guy was registered 72 times, and when asked he said he just wanted to help the person make money (even though they dont make money per person registered) and that the ACORN people told him that McCain doesnt like black people and only Obama can help them

[epo]

I would like to point a few things out about this ACORN thing:

1. In many cases it is ACORN themselves that are directing local officials to illegimate registration forms.

2. In all cases, it would be ILLEGAL for ACORN or any other group that is registering voters to not turn all of the registration forms in that have been filled out by the public.

3. ACORN pays by the hour rather than by the quota. They may have an expectation for their employees, but the job is to register everyone.

This whole thing has been an obvious smear job by the Republican Party to ruin a non-profit organization and to somehow "de-legitimize" the November results. Of course when you are getting your asses handed to you, you have nothing else to talk about...such as why voters think you suck.

[Ritalin]

http://www.ksla.com/global/story.asp?s=9177256

Directly funded by Democrat Party

I don't get the "democrat" party thing. It bothers me because it's grammatically incorrect. I know there's some underlying meaning to it that makes the Republicans go "tee hee", but I don't know what it is.

Explain to me why this is a dig or a jab, please.

[angrymissy]

It would be as if we called it the Republic Party.

(they like it because it has "rat" at the end)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(phrase)

Democrat Party is a political epithet used in the United States by some people (in many cases, conservative commentators or some members of the Republican Party in speeches and press releases) instead of the name (or more precisely, the proper noun) Democratic Party.

Many members of the Democratic Party object to the term. New Yorker commentator Hendrik Hertzberg wrote: "There’s no great mystery about the motives behind this deliberate misnaming. 'Democrat Party' is a slur, or intended to be – a handy way to express contempt. Aesthetic judgments are subjective, of course, but 'Democrat Party' is jarring verging on ugly. It fairly screams 'rat.'" [1]

[Ritalin]

It would be as if we called it the Republic Party.

(they like it because it has "rat" at the end)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(phrase)

Strange. So there's really no underlying meaning to it at all. It's just a petulant refusal to say the name correctly.

Seems childish.

[Knowledged_one]

I would like to point a few things out about this ACORN thing:

1. In many cases it is ACORN themselves that are directing local officials to illegimate registration forms.

2. In all cases, it would be ILLEGAL for ACORN or any other group that is registering voters to not turn all of the registration forms in that have been filled out by the public.

3. ACORN pays by the hour rather than by the quota. They may have an expectation for their employees, but the job is to register everyone.

This whole thing has been an obvious smear job by the Republican Party to ruin a non-profit organization and to somehow "de-legitimize" the November results. Of course when you are getting your asses handed to you, you have nothing else to talk about...such as why voters think you suck.

Well i would say the fact that their people (ACORN) are saying things that McCain hates blacks and wont help them seems to lend towards them being biased. And that statement is word for word what was testified about in court in ohio

[celery]

It would be as if we called it the Republic Party.

(they like it because it has "rat" at the end)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(phrase)

I'm also seeing people call Obama "Barry" as some sort of lame playground put-down.

[angrymissy]

I'm also seeing people call Obama "Barry" as some sort of lame playground put-down.

or B. Hussein
Nobama
Obamination

[epo]

I don't get the "democrat" party thing. It bothers me because it's grammatically incorrect. I know there's some underlying meaning to it that makes the Republicans go "tee hee", but I don't know what it is.

Explain to me why this is a dig or a jab, please.

I'm also seeing people call Obama "Barry" as some sort of lame playground put-down.

or B. Hussein
Nobama
Obamination

As Ritalin said in the thread, it is a completely childish tactic of rhetoric. By demeaning their monicker you can demean anything about them.

Is it a horrible sign of a diminished national discourse.

[angrymissy]

As Ritalin said in the thread, it is a completely childish tactic of rhetoric. By demeaning their monicker you can demean anything about them.

Is it a horrible sign of a diminished national discourse.

It's embarrassing, childish name calling. Nannynannypoopoo.

[Ritalin]

As Ritalin said in the thread, it is a completely childish tactic of rhetoric. By demeaning their monicker you can demean anything about them.

Is it a horrible sign of a diminished national discourse.

well, there's nothing wrong with some good old playground name calling, and I mean that in all seriousness. It's simple us versus them stuff, and pretty harmless. My thing is that the democrat thing is just stupid. At least the Barry thing has something behind it. Xenophobia and fear of anything different, but at least that's something.

[JerseySean]

As Ritalin said in the thread, it is a completely childish tactic of rhetoric. By demeaning their monicker you can demean anything about them.

Is it a horrible sign of a diminished national discourse.

The "democrat" party thing. Its just funny because it annoys Dems and I dont understand why. And it annoys epo, hence the reason I use it. Plus, it connotates party of "Democrats". you cant do that to Republicans because their name as an individual is that same as the party name. Dont get so bent out of shape.

"Barry" is the same as calling Bush 43, "Jr". Plus he officially went by that name as a child. Barry Soetoro.

"Obamanation, etc."

this is the same political discourse which caused Jackson to call John Quincy Adams a yankee, or the term carpetbagger, or scalawag, etc. American politics has always been nasty. There will never be a bullshit "post partisan era". This campaign has been one of the nastiest on both sides. Stop bitching when your guy gets put down, hes up double digits. Just shut up and laugh about it.

[celery]

The "democrat" party thing. Its just funny because it annoys Dems and I dont understand why. And it annoys epo, hence the reason I use it. Plus, it connotates party of "Democrats". you cant do that to Republicans because their name as an individual is that same as the party name. Dont get so bent out of shape.

"Barry" is the same as calling Bush 43, "Jr". Plus he officially went by that name as a child. Barry Soetoro.

"Obamanation, etc."

this is the same political discourse which caused Jackson to call John Quincy Adams a yankee, or the term carpetbagger, or scalawag, etc. American politics has always been nasty. There will never be a bullshit "post partisan era". This campaign has been one of the nastiest on both sides. Stop bitching when your guy gets put down, hes up double digits. Just shut up and laugh about it.

Other than "McSame", I haven't heard much name calling from the Democrats. Obama could've called McCain out for his "That One" remark, but he took the high road. There's a big difference between this and how the McCain camp handled the "lipstick on a pig" remark.

McCain's run a filthy campaign, and he's fallen on his face. He deserves to be remembered for that, not this "both sides were dirty" wishy-washy crap.

[JerseySean]

Other than "McSame", I haven't heard much name calling from the Democrats. Obama could've called McCain out for his "That One" remark, but he took the high road. There's a big difference between this and how the McCain camp handled the "lipstick on a pig" remark.

McCain's run a filthy campaign, and he's fallen on his face. He deserves to be remembered for that, not this "both sides were dirty" wishy-washy crap.

The Obama camp is taking the high road? stop it. they are running a ton of negative ads, every stump speech is critical of McCain and 1 out of every two ads is. Obama is running the "aw shucks" negative campaign. Its bogus, he is just as bad.

[KnoxHarrington]

The Obama camp is taking the high road? stop it. they are running a ton of negative ads, every stump speech is critical of McCain and 1 out of every two ads is. Obama is running the "aw shucks" negative campaign. Its bogus, he is just as bad.

There's a difference between being "critical" and attacking. Obama's attacks are on McCain's policies and record. McCain's are bullshit lies about Obama "palling around" with terrorists and being in charge of an organization he's had, at best, a casual aquaintance with.

I know the hot Republican spin is to try to lump any sort of criticial campaigning together as "negative", but there's a difference. And judging by the polls, the American people see it too.

[celery]

The Obama camp is taking the high road? stop it. they are running a ton of negative ads, every stump speech is critical of McCain and 1 out of every two ads is. Obama is running the "aw shucks" negative campaign. Its bogus, he is just as bad.

Negative ads are part of the game now. How is it "dirty campaigning" to be critical of your opponent? I won't criticize either side for that. McCain will be remembered for:


Phony outrage over "liptstick on a pig", trying to paint Obama as a sexist
Grandstanding, threatening to cancel their debate so he can "fix" the economy
Accusing his opponent of palling around with domestic terrorists


Part of Obama's strength is that he's running a fairly straightforward campaign, and people are picking up on that, especially in contract to McCain.

[epo]

The Obama camp is taking the high road? stop it. they are running a ton of negative ads, every stump speech is critical of McCain and 1 out of every two ads is. Obama is running the "aw shucks" negative campaign. Its bogus, he is just as bad.

Fact: 1 out of 3 of the Obama campaign's ads are categorized as negative.

Fact: 100% of the McCain campaign's ads are categorized as negative.

That's clearly not a "just as bad" comparison in a quantitative method.

[KnoxHarrington]

Fact: 1 out of 3 of the Obama campaign's ads are categorized as negative.

Fact: 100% of the McCain campaign's ads are categorized as negative.

That's clearly not a "just as bad" comparison in a quantitative method.

It actually could be even worse. There's a story on Politico now about how Palin and some other of McCain's advisers want to reopen the Jeremiah Wright fiasco, but McCain refuses to let them.

I never want to see Gov. Hockey Mom again after this campaign is over. Please go the fuck away.

[angrymissy]

It actually could be even worse. There's a story on Politico now about how Palin and some other of McCain's advisers want to reopen the Jeremiah Wright fiasco, but McCain refuses to let them.

I never want to see Gov. Hockey Mom again after this campaign is over. Please go the fuck away.

My prediction is she ends up w/ a show on Fox News.

[Jujubees2]

It actually could be even worse. There's a story on Politico now about how Palin and some other of McCain's advisers want to reopen the Jeremiah Wright fiasco, but McCain refuses to let them.

I never want to see Gov. Hockey Mom again after this campaign is over. Please go the fuck away.

Unfortunately I was watching one of the news shows last night and they were saying that Palin is the new face of the Conservative movement and if McCain loses, she may be in the running to go against Obama in 2012.

[mikeyboy]

My prediction is she ends up w/ a show on Fox News.

...and an offer to pose for Playboy.

[epo]

Unfortunately I was watching one of the news shows last night and they were saying that Palin is the new face of the Conservative movement and if McCain loses, she may be in the running to go against Obama in 2012.

Only if William Kristol has his way. (And please God, I don't ask for much...but let the Republicans offer Governor Palin as a sacrifice in 2012. Somebody like Governor Romney could actually be good if the economy isn't great.)

[IMSlacker]

Fact: 1 out of 3 of the Obama campaign's ads are categorized as negative.

Fact: 100% of the McCain campaign's ads are categorized as negative.

That's clearly not a "just as bad" comparison in a quantitative method.

Well, to be fair, you did leave out the part about Obama outspending McCain 3 to 1 on advertising. So, Obama is running just as many negative ads as McCain and infinitely more positive ads.

[brettmojo]

So we can call them the Republic Party?

My prediction is she ends up w/ a show on Fox News.
It'll be Hannity and Palin and they'll finally stop kidding themselves with that "democrat" Colmes.

[epo]

So we can call them the Republic Party?


It'll be Hannity and Palin and they'll finally stop kidding themselves with that "democrat" Colmes.

I always thought Al Franken nailed it with "Hannity and colmes".

[Ritalin]

Only if William Kristol has his way. (And please God, I don't ask for much...but let the Republicans offer Governor Palin as a sacrifice in 2012. Somebody like Governor Romney could actually be good if the economy isn't great.)

Why does everybody automatically assume that Romney would be good for the economy? Because he ran some financial services firm?

Hank Paulson ran Goldman Sachs, and he drove the economy right into the ditch.

[epo]

Why does everybody automatically assume that Romney would be good for the economy? Because he ran some financial services firm?

Hank Paulson ran Goldman Sachs, and he drove the economy right into the ditch.

I don't necessarily think he would "be good" for the economy, but he would have a better argument that the current republican candidate does. He'd be the "money guy" and perception is a big deal.

[high fly]

Unfortunately I was watching one of the news shows last night and they were saying that Palin is the new face of the Conservative movement and if McCain loses, she may be in the running to go against Obama in 2012.

Laura Ingraham claims Palin is the future of the Republican Party.

We can only hope....

[booster11373]

Laura Ingraham claims Palin is the future of the Republican Party.

We can only hope....

I hope for a split with the normal Republicans and those wacky religious conservatives who vote the bible

Maybe just maybe this will be the end of the GOP selling their soul for religious votes.

[high fly]

I hope for a split with the normal Republicans and those wacky religious conservatives who vote the bible

Maybe just maybe this will be the end of the GOP selling their soul for religious votes.


Ever heard that clip from Paul Weyrich circa 1980 ranting about how low voter turnout works in their favor?


This chap links to the video
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6302


"Now many of our Christians have what I call the goo-goo syndrome - good government. They want everybody to vote. I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people, they never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."

[cartshlepper]

ok, so let's see. How do they determine the pole numbers with regards to each state, is it based on the number of registered Democrat or Republican registers per area or some sort of mystic process?

If it is determined by registration numbers, that does slant the poles, which in turn can lead to say fox or cnn stating that Obama leads in Ohio by x %. Starting to get a picture how registration fraud could slant national numbers and thus perceptions on the race. Either way, to say that these people were simply trying to get money per registration is to ignore what ACORN on a national basis, pull up on youtube ACORN Rally and you will be able to see what they stand for, it is a bit upsetting. Besides, most of these pole takers are volunteers and not paid by ACORN, so that equals up to a bunch of bull shit. If the Republicans are up to some rotten crap people jump all over them and they should, if the Democrats pull similar crap.....

[keverlast]

Good Luck gettn a new Prez before Jan 1

[JerseySean]

ok, so let's see. How do they determine the pole numbers with regards to each state, is it based on the number of registered Democrat or Republican registers per area or some sort of mystic process?

If it is determined by registration numbers, that does slant the poles, which in turn can lead to say fox or cnn stating that Obama leads in Ohio by x %. Starting to get a picture how registration fraud could slant national numbers and thus perceptions on the race. Either way, to say that these people were simply trying to get money per registration is to ignore what ACORN on a national basis, pull up on youtube ACORN Rally and you will be able to see what they stand for, it is a bit upsetting. Besides, most of these pole takers are volunteers and not paid by ACORN, so that equals up to a bunch of bull shit. If the Republicans are up to some rotten crap people jump all over them and they should, if the Democrats pull similar crap.....

It is all weighted toward demographics and voter registration numbers.

[Jujubees2]

What I don't understand in this whole voter registration non-issue is that isn't the local Register of Voters board (or whatever it may be called) responsible for verifying legitimate voters? I mean whether someone walks in off the street or their card is handed in by ACORN, isn't it the responsibility of the board to make sure everything is legit?

[angrymissy]

ok, so let's see. How do they determine the pole numbers with regards to each state, is it based on the number of registered Democrat or Republican registers per area or some sort of mystic process?

If it is determined by registration numbers, that does slant the poles, which in turn can lead to say fox or cnn stating that Obama leads in Ohio by x %. Starting to get a picture how registration fraud could slant national numbers and thus perceptions on the race. Either way, to say that these people were simply trying to get money per registration is to ignore what ACORN on a national basis, pull up on youtube ACORN Rally and you will be able to see what they stand for, it is a bit upsetting. Besides, most of these pole takers are volunteers and not paid by ACORN, so that equals up to a bunch of bull shit. If the Republicans are up to some rotten crap people jump all over them and they should, if the Democrats pull similar crap.....

heh... you said pole.

http://cristal.inria.fr/~harley/ecdl3/pics/butthead.gif

Actually, each poll uses a very detailed methodology, next time you open one up, just look for that and you'll find the details. They don't use some mythical process, they call people on the phone.

[scottinnj]

My prediction is she ends up w/ a show on Fox News.

She's gonna be Mike Huckabee's hole. I can feel it.

"Oh Mike, stop playing that rock 'n' roll. It's the devils music don't 'cha know!"

[high fly]

She's gonna be Mike Huckabee's hole. I can feel it.




When you're done doing the feeling, I hope you wash those hands of yours...

[scottinnj]

When you're done doing the feeling, I hope you wash those hands of yours...

I'm a professional, and keep antiseptic hand gel with me at all times.

[scottinnj]

High Court Rejects GOP Bid In Ohio Voting Dispute (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93SBR781&show_article=1)

In a brief unsigned opinion, the justices said they were not commenting on whether Ohio is complying with a provision of the Help America Vote Act of 2002 that lays out requirements for verifying voter eligibility.

Instead, they said they were granting Brunner's request because it appears that the law does not allow private entities, like the Ohio GOP, to file suit to enforce the provision of the law at issue.

[epo]

High Court Rejects GOP Bid In Ohio Voting Dispute (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93SBR781&show_article=1)

Hmm...so voter suppression is unconstitutional? Interesting.

[K.C.]

Jump to 2:45 into the clip.

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