R&F Sirius/XM Listening Thread for 10/29/2008

[ahhdurr]

ron - it's the beginning of the farming process.

farms and farms of human resource.

[Friday]

I am pretty lucky with my kids. Both are intelligent, happy and energetic. They can be a bit stubborn, but all in all we did good.

they are still young, tub.... you have yet to experience the TEEN YEARS.

dun dun DUNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!

[jennysmurf]

I am pretty lucky with my kids. Both are intelligent, happy and energetic. They can be a bit stubborn, but all in all we did good.

So they take after you, right?:innocent:

[jennysmurf]

An ovary jam stain will never come out.

You stay outta this!

[midwestjeff]

Is CrazyJen making sense? :blink:

[ahhdurr]

when did Jen start making cogent points?

[KatPw]

I am pretty lucky with my kids. Both are intelligent, happy and energetic. They can be a bit stubborn, but all in all we did good.

It's not luck. You and your wife obviously do what you are supposed to, which is be parents. Raising kids to be intelligent happy and healthy takes work. Don't sell yourselves short.

[yojimbo7248]

Is this Crazy Jen on or off her meds?

[hexy68]

when did Jen start making cogent points?

today :happy:

[Misteriosa]

when did Jen start making cogent points?

she's been doing that for the last couple of call ins... she's been scaring me. maybe its time to change her name :o

[disneyspy]

^ this.

i worked in a boys and girls' club in my early twenties. the "kids" (and by that i mean 6'4 melanin inclined young gentlemen) would yell all kinds of shit to me and try to intimidate me. one guy put his hands on me to push me and he was on his backbefore he knew what happened. yeah i got written up, but none of the "kids" ever tried to fuck with me again.

i was jus kiddin when i called you a silly goose

[KnoxHarrington]

You're dismissing him being correct, because of the reasons you assign to him?


I agree with the basic point, but his reasons for getting there are illegitimate. So he's a poor spokesman for that point.

[ahhdurr]

here's Jen - she's shown up.

[midwestjeff]

Tub's socks and shoes always match.
Is it luck?
Well, he can play his bass for you.
Is it luck?

IS IT LUUUUUUUUCK???

[Hottub]

they are still young, tub.... you have yet to experience the TEEN YEARS.

dun dun DUNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!

Thanks for bursting my bubble.

So they take after you, right?:innocent:

:wub:

[Marc with a c]

why do they call her 'crazy' jen?

[Furtherman]

Ninja is overpriced and overrated.

[KnoxHarrington]

Crazy Jen reminds me so much of a girlfriend that I used to have that it scares me.

[yojimbo7248]

what the hell is she talking about? samurai trained ninjas? I think I answered my own question, definitely off her meds

[ahhdurr]

today :happy:

she's been doing that for the last couple of call ins... she's been scaring me. maybe its time to change her name :o

Somewhat Rational Jen?

[Hottub]

I enjoy Crazy Jen.

[FunkyDrummer]

I've actually been to the Ninja place.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2210/1875094652_84f53e468d_b.jpg

[jennysmurf]

Ninja is overpriced and overrated.

But what if they added pirates?

[ahhdurr]

An ovary jam stain will never come out.

a little peanut butter on toast.

fucking starvin.

[jennysmurf]

I've actually been to the Ninja place.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2210/1875094652_84f53e468d_b.jpg

I totally thought that was a toilet seat.

[timhorton]

^ this.

i worked in a boys and girls' club in my early twenties. the "kids" (and by that i mean 6'4 melanin inclined young gentlemen) would yell all kinds of shit to me and try to intimidate me. one guy put his hands on me to push me and he was on his backbefore he knew what happened. yeah i got written up, but none of the "kids" ever tried to fuck with me again.

niice..don't take no shit off any one

[KingGeno]

I jus had Chicken Parm and buttered green beans. Tasty tasty!

[schabadoo]

I agree with the basic point, but his reasons for getting there are illegitimate. So he's a poor spokesman for that point.

Try and find someone to come out against the All-Powerful medical lobby. Hillary brought up the idea for some changes back in the 90s, remember what happened to her?

[yojimbo7248]

I've actually been to the Ninja place.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2210/1875094652_84f53e468d_b.jpg

damn, that looks good. Do they dress up like ninjas there or was that Crazy Jen's delusions?

[jennysmurf]

I hate lines.

[FunkyDrummer]

damn, that looks good. Do they dress up like ninjas there or was that Crazy Jen's delusions?

Yes, they do.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2113/1874269073_33648cf4f5_b.jpg

[ahhdurr]

Try and find someone to come out against the All-Powerful medical lobby. Hillary brought up the idea for some changes back in the 90s, remember what happened to her?

tragic canckles.:happy:

[Don Stugots]

I am pretty lucky with my kids. Both are intelligent, happy and energetic. They can be a bit stubborn, but all in all we did good.

Your boys are aces. I hope my kids are half as good.

[FunkyDrummer]

Ninja is overpriced and overrated.

I agree on both counts. I think I ended up dropping $160 that night for myself alone.

[yojimbo7248]

are they talking about the secret that Fez is gay? Sheepy is getting into petty little fights over the biggest non-secret in ronfez history?

[ChrisTheCop]

I agree on both counts. I think I ended up dropping $160 that night for myself alone.

But the place mat is a diploma from ninja school, signed by a samurai!

[MisterSmith]

Sheepy does manual labor as a landscaper. He has to be a lot stronger and have more endurance than Fez. However, I think Fez probably has more of a fighter's instinct - he was a women's wrestling champion.

[midwestjeff]

The great white thing?

Does he mean Land Shark?

[MisterSmith]

The great white thing?

Does he mean Land Shark?

Candygram!

[yojimbo7248]

It probably isn't fair but the second I hear "and whatnot", my brain says "hayseed" and immediately stops listening to a word the person says.

[Hottub]

Too close to call.

[MisterSmith]

Whu?

[ahhdurr]

Candygram!

I heard he's just a dolphin...

[ahhdurr]

Candygram!

1000 :clap:

[Furtherman]

NICE with the Thunderdome clip. Love that movie.

WHO RUN BARTERTOWN!?

EMBARGO ON!

[disneyspy]

Sheepy does manual labor as a landscaper. He has to be a lot stronger and have more endurance than Fez. However, I think Fez probably has more of a fighter's instinct - he was a women's wrestling champion.

fez is a dyke?on bikes?

[ahhdurr]

But the place mat is a diploma from ninja school, signed by a samurai!

Ninja FTW...totally worth it.

[MisterSmith]

1000 :clap:

Holy crap - I completely missed that. Hooray me! :clap:





(and thanks paperbag :thumbup:)

[ahhdurr]

Yes, they do.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2113/1874269073_33648cf4f5_b.jpg

you have two choices of prepared duck...

dead duck and...

[Furtherman]

Ninja is overpriced and overrated.

But what if they added pirates?

Oh well then it would be the bestest place on earth EVER.

[biggestmexi]

Ninja FTW...totally worth it.

GO ninja Go ninja GO!
http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/goninjabig.jpg

[ChrisTheCop]

POTUS '08 just lied.

"only one channel on xm dedicated to election night coverage"

whaddabout da virus, lady????

[midwestjeff]

POTUS '08 just lied.

"only one channel on xm dedicated to election night coverage"

whaddabout da virus, lady????

The Virus is Sirius exclusive.

[Misteriosa]

happy 1k mr smith!!

http://www.flyawaycafe.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/ghoulish-band.jpg

(post parades were a fun part of the fba rnf thread :o )

[Friday]

i think having election day off would be nice.

even though most polls are open between 6am and 9pm so if you can't find a few minutes in THAT time span, you must be a painfully busy person.

[schabadoo]

Turkey?

[ChrisTheCop]

Ok fine. Everyone wants a new election day off...but what if we just did it on a saturday?

Some senator or congressman actually wants that done.

[KnoxHarrington]

i think having election day off would be nice.

even though most polls are open between 6am and 9pm so if you can't find a few minutes in THAT time span, you must be a painfully busy person.


The polls are only going to be open to 6 here. I'll probably end up taking the day off to vote anyway.

[schabadoo]

Ok fine. Everyone wants a new election day off...but what if we just did it on a saturday?

Some senator or congressman actually wants that done.

Why wouldn't they? It makes too much sense?

And honestly, Sunday is the obvious choice. Farking Puritans is the only reason we don't.

[Misteriosa]

i think having election day off would be nice.

even though most polls are open between 6am and 9pm so if you can't find a few minutes in THAT time span, you must be a painfully busy person.

im not sure if its just a new york thing, but i know your employer is supposed to allot you 2 hrs of paid leave to vote if your work hours do not have a 4 hr time span before/ after your shift starts/ends

[midwestjeff]

Some people work on the weekends, ya know?

[Misteriosa]

Ok fine. Everyone wants a new election day off...but what if we just did it on a saturday?

Some senator or congressman actually wants that done.

i blame the jews... really

[RAAMONE]

i think having election day off would be nice.

even though most polls are open between 6am and 9pm so if you can't find a few minutes in THAT time span, you must be a painfully busy person.

i have time to go between those hours but i dont have time to wait in line forever

[EliSnow]

I love Ron's description of Long Island. Dead on.

[KnoxHarrington]

It's John Sydney McCain, by the way.

[Misteriosa]

obama: the ichiban of february

:lol:

[IamFogHat]

Did Earl just say the first black baseball player is more important than the first black president?

[Solace666]

http://www.hurricanec.com/home_files/Robot%20tech2.png

Robut President

[yojimbo7248]

The day of the Emancipation Proclamation a horrible day, Fez? ???? I seriously don't understand. How is freeing the slaves bad?

[FunkyDrummer]

i blame the jews... really

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii257/pablooldaq/l_912a1e2d08349fc3ee2cef5a8bea1934.jpg

[ChrisTheCop]

Now Fez is talking about Long Island; topless bars more specifically.

The pole workers are all 90 years old.

[KnoxHarrington]

I'm 2 for 4 in Presidential elections so far.

But overall I'm sure I'm less than .500 in my voting history.

[ChrisTheCop]

I'm 2 for 4 in Presidential elections so far.

But overall I'm sure I'm less than .500 in my voting history.

Thats the problem. I know youre talking about your past, but People are looking to pick the guy they think will win, instead of the guy who's best for the job.

We all either win or lose depending on the choices we all make.

[midwestjeff]

They should do it like the MLB all-star game and give everyone up to 25 votes.

[~Katja~]

that takes the fun out of voting day?

it's not like it's a free day for all...

annoys me that they took religious holidays into consideration when choosing a day to vote but not the fact that normal people work and don't get paid for the day off...

[RAAMONE]

do people have election night parties?

like getting together a drinking and watch the vote count...kinda like football parties

[epo]

This caller doesn't get the fact that his local elections matter alot too.

[Misteriosa]

i'm gonna have to be at the polls on 11/4 at 6 am. :down:

[ChrisTheCop]

They should do it like the MLB all-star game and give everyone up to 25 votes.

My wrists always get too tired.

[midwestjeff]

[QUOTE=~Katja~;1928976]
annoys me that they took religious holidays into consideration when choosing a day to vote [QUOTE]

Yeah, but it makes god happy and a happy god means a good crop yield.

[Misteriosa]

do people have election night parties?

like getting together a drinking and watch the vote count...kinda like football parties

i was wondering the same thing... it would be fun :o but, i'll be listening to the thunderdome election night broadcast on 202

[midwestjeff]

My wrists always get too tired.

I hope I don't hear that from the doctor later.

[ChrisTheCop]

This caller doesn't get the fact that his local elections matter alot too.

AND the fact that your vote, even if not cast for the winner, matters for the future.
If the republicans gain ground, both parties will want to know why.
It's really not just a one day event. Especially the more local you get.

Your vote is not just to pick a winner, it's to state your opinion.

[~Katja~]

Yeah, but it makes god happy and a happy god means a good crop yield.

that and sports teams winning world series.

[epo]

The irony is that Bush fucked McCain in the Republican primary in 2000 and he fucked McCain again in 2008 with the state of the nation.

I'm not saying that McCain could have beat Obama anyways...but Bush screwed him hard.

[Dingbat_Charlie]

prevent gay marriage!

http://msp158.photobucket.com/albums/t99/caribbeanlad/bear_attack.gif

[epo]

AND the fact that your vote, even if not cast for the winner, matters for the future.
If the republicans gain ground, both parties will want to know why.
It's really not just a one day event. Especially the more local you get.

Exactly. I live in a traditionally "red" area of a blue state.

But the demographics are changing and I want the state and federal hacks to know that, so my vote really matters for future races.

[boobieman]

Slippy slope....someone better check on Lillian and make sure she is OK.



SSSSSEYEYAAAAAAAAAAASeee

[epo]

do people have election night parties?

like getting together a drinking and watch the vote count...kinda like football parties

Yes indeed.

[barjockey]

Off to work buddies. Time to make drinks for rich Republicans

CYA

[KnoxHarrington]

If that guy is so hardcore on guns, he hasn't voted Democrat in a while. Bullshit call.

[midwestjeff]

"If you have one already, you're gonna keep it."

Yeah right.
Lincoln said the same thing and then look what happened.

[ChrisTheCop]

If you have a gun already, we aint gonna bother y'all.

-Earl Douglas, Obama spokesman

[ChrisTheCop]

Tonight
Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 30s. West winds 10 to 15 mph...diminishing to around 5 mph after midnight.

[FunkyDrummer]

Off to work buddies. Time to make drinks for rich Republicans

CYA

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u36/FramedThief/Motivational%20Posters/Redundancy.jpg

[epo]

Face it Blowhard...the Reagan Revolution is DEAD!

[JerseySean]

Face it Blowhard...the Reagan Revolution is DEAD!

Im still waiting for the Nixon revolution to come back. I do like Blowhard's populism though.

[EliSnow]

Wow, Blowhard is complaining about the present state of things.

I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked.

[KnoxHarrington]

What kind of half-assed, two-headed monster of a party would come out of Blowhard's "coalition"?

It would be a clusterfuck. I'm not sure the solution is a third party as it is the two parties more clearly defining themselves.

[ChrisTheCop]

Face it Blowhard...the Reagan Revolution is DEAD!

Im still waiting for the Nixon revolution to come back. I do like Blowhard's populism though.

If you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, youre not gonna make it with anyone any how.

[epo]

Here is the insanity of the 3rd party people...

These "third party" people refuse to party-build. Start at the local level with a 20-year plan to go national.

You can't just show up to the party and run things. The two major parties are too well put together for that to just happen.

[epo]

Im still waiting for the Nixon revolution to come back. I do like Blowhard's populism though.

The irony of the current state of the Republican Party wouldn't allow for a politician with Nixon's stances in their caucus.

Environmental Protection Agency? Earth Day? Talking with China?

The man is a communist!

[disneyspy]

if teddy roosevelt could run on a 3rd party ticket and get beat
how can blowhard think ralph fuckin nader could stand a chance?

[EliSnow]

I love the line about getting rid of "special interests groups." Similar to Ron's line about ignoring press bias when that bias is what you believe, "special interests groups" are those groups that have interests against your interest. If you're a pro gun person, you don't see the NRA as a special interest group.

Special interest and lobbyists are a natural part of our system, and as long as you have a representative system, you're going to have them.

Saying you need to get rid of them is like saying we need to eliminate suffering from people's lives.

[epo]

if teddy roosevelt could run on a 3rd party ticket and get beat
how can blowhard think ralph fuckin nader could stand a chance?

And Teddy Roosevelt was called a "socialist" by his critics in his time. The irony is that John McCain's favorite president is TR, and he's calling his opponent a "socialist".

:wacko:

[jayme]

athiest and voting for nader this year... wish i could call in :/

why anyone would want someone in office who is "influenced" by religion is beyond me.

[midwestjeff]

What's left?

About 50 or 60 percent maybe?

[ChrisTheCop]

John McCain's favorite president is Teddy Roosevelt...

:wacko:

Well, the first one youre allowed to vote for is always your favorite.

[SP1!]

No it wasnt earl, democrats fought harder since it would eliminate lobbyist groups as well.

And I missed it, did fez see a summer movie?

[EliSnow]

The whole furor surrounding Palin right now is the internal struggle in the Republican party between the social conservatives and fiscal/political conservatives. There's a bunch of articles right now about how this schism has been growing.

These problem could be similar to how the Democrat Party's pushing of civil rights led many southern democrats to join the republican party.

[biggestmexi]

oh no.

not the end.....

[midwestjeff]

More like there is a slit in the Republican party.

[ChrisTheCop]

Well, I believe Sarah Palin said it best:

SEE YOU NEXT TUESDAY!!!!

[disneyspy]

Well, the first one youre allowed to vote for is always your favorite.

:lol::lol::lol:

[skyscraper]

if teddy roosevelt could run on a 3rd party ticket and get beat
how can blowhard think ralph fuckin nader could stand a chance?

because blowhard is an idiot.

[Misteriosa]

later buddays! :bye:

[disneyspy]

man that was a quick 3 hours
have a good one buddays
c'ya

[SP1!]

And Teddy Roosevelt was called a "socialist" by his critics in his time. The irony is that John McCain's favorite president is TR, and he's calling his opponent a "socialist".

:wacko:

I wouldnt exactly categorize teddy as a socialist, he was slandered during that time because he did push for workers to have rights and said they needed it against big business, now that isnt the case. The problem is that mccain is not far right enough to be teddy and just falls into party causes most times, roosevelt believed people should have the right to compete and not allow business's friends in high places to shove others out of business. It what we would call an anti trust law now, if either candidate was even close to him they would win easily but unfortunately neither is fit to carry roosevelts boots.

[Hottub]

This caller doesn't get the fact that his local elections matter alot too.

Most of America doesn't, epo.
Local turnout percentages are painfully low.

[EliSnow]

And Teddy Roosevelt was called a "socialist" by his critics in his time. The irony is that John McCain's favorite president is TR, and he's calling his opponent a "socialist".

:wacko:

I wouldnt exactly categorize teddy as a socialist, he was slandered during that time because he did push for workers to have rights and said they needed it against big business, now that isnt the case.

That's epo's point. Roosevelt was not a socialist but was labeled as such by his opponents, similar to what McCain is doing now.

[hexy68]

CYA...Go nameless team from a PA city! :thumbup:

[SP1!]

That's epo's point. Roosevelt was not a socialist but was labeled as such by his opponents, similar to what McCain is doing now.

The problem was that teddy wasnt, where obama is a hell of a lot closer than obama supporters believe just like they dont believe obamas tax rate isnt really at 40% and the people making $110K is what hes really talking about not $250K.

[MisterSmith]

Well, I believe Sarah Palin said it best:

SEE YOU NEXT TUESDAY!!!!

Oh, that's what Palin SAID. I thought it's just what Democrats have been calling her. :laugh:

[EliSnow]

The problem was that teddy wasnt, where obama is a hell of a lot closer than obama supporters believe just like they dont believe obamas tax rate isnt really at 40% and the people making $110K is what hes really talking about not $250K.

Just because McCain says he is a socialist and McCain supporters are parroting what McCain says, doesn't mean he's a socialist. He's not a socialist. Even if his tax plan is what you say (it's not), it doesn't make him a socialist.

A socialist wants industry and markets owned and controlled by the government. Neither of the candidates is that.

[Furtherman]

Just because McCain says he is a socialist and McCain supporters are parroting what McCain says, doesn't mean he's a socialist. He's not a socialist. Even if his tax plan is what you say (it's not), it doesn't make him a socialist.

A socialist wants industry and markets owned and controlled by the government. Neither of the candidates is that.

Careful, you might have him listen to something else besides conservative radio and he might become informed... therefore eliminating any humor in reading his posts.

[EliSnow]

Careful, you might have him listen to something else besides conservative radio and he might become informed... therefore eliminating any humor in reading his posts.

Damn, you're right.

Sometimes, I am such a bit killer.

[SP1!]

Just because McCain says he is a socialist and McCain supporters are parroting what McCain says, doesn't mean he's a socialist. He's not a socialist. Even if his tax plan is what you say (it's not), it doesn't make him a socialist.

A socialist wants industry and markets owned and controlled by the government. Neither of the candidates is that.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122523819032678157.html
http://www.american.com/archive/2008/august-08-08/the-folly-of-obama2019s-tax-plan

Just a little reading, including one article by a guy who campaigned against all the crap loans that were given out in the late 90s but was shot down as an elitist.

Careful, you might have him listen to something else besides conservative radio and he might become informed... therefore eliminating any humor in reading his posts.

I dont listen to conservative radio at all, cant stand them. The GF loves limbaugh and gets mad at me when I tell her hes full of shit, if you just read about them you can realize both are full of shit but to say obama does not lean to socialists is just crazy.

[EliSnow]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122523819032678157.html
http://www.american.com/archive/2008/august-08-08/the-folly-of-obama2019s-tax-plan

Just a little reading, including one article by a guy who campaigned against all the crap loans that were given out in the late 90s but was shot down as an elitist.



The first article is about a misstatement made by Biden during a call, and makes an assumption that it was actually Biden revealing a secret that the limit is lower. That's not credible.

The second article is from a conservative magazine, that happens to be advertising a book by Newt Gingrich. One person's opinion about the tax plan doesn't mean it's accurate.

[EliSnow]

but to say obama does not lean to socialists is just crazy.

Um, McCain's comments aren't that Obama "leans" towards "socialism." It says he's a socialist. And there is a difference between leaning towards socialism and being a socialist

The fact is that there's a lot of room between a true "capitalist" and a true "socialist." In fact, America has "leaned" towards socialism for years. It hasn't been a true capitalist society for decades (if it ever was). And as part of that system, even McCain leans towards socialism to some extent.

For instance, McCain said the following in 2000 on Hardball (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/spread_the_tax_hooey.html):


[W]e feel, obviously, that wealthy people can afford more.
....
And I think middle-income Americans, working Americans ... all of the taxes that working Americans pay, I think they – you would think that they also deserve significant relief, in my view.
...
[H]ere's what I really believe, that when you are – reach a certain level of comfort, there's nothing wrong with paying somewhat more.




Maybe Obama "leans" towards "socialism" but he still more towards the capitalist side than the socialist.

[Furtherman]

I dont listen to conservative radio at all, cant stand them. The GF loves limbaugh and gets mad at me when I tell her hes full of shit, if you just read about them you can realize both are full of shit but to say obama does not lean to socialists is just crazy.

Ahh well, stop reading the far-right conservative argument, because you keep posting it verbatim without any type of proof to make it true.

And your girlfriend loves a pillhead. Tell her that.

[KnoxHarrington]

Ahh well, stop reading the far-right conservative argument, because you keep posting it verbatim without any type of proof to make it true.

And your girlfriend loves a pillhead. Tell her that.


And she'd only have a shot with him if he was a 12 year old Dominican boy.

Allegedly.

[SP1!]

The first article is about a misstatement made by Biden during a call, and makes an assumption that it was actually Biden revealing a secret that the limit is lower. That's not credible.

The second article is from a conservative magazine, that happens to be advertising a book by Newt Gingrich. One person's opinion about the tax plan doesn't mean it's accurate.

Yeah the only correction is that they wont pay more, which in itself is a lie since once you take away tax credits then it is a tax increase. The point which the article is pointing out, that you seem to have missed is that you cant expect to only raise taxes on the rich to get money you have to raise taxes on the middle class as well. Something clinton did but got lucky when the dot com boom happened, its easy to make money when revolutionary technology comes along.

Um, McCain's comments aren't that Obama "leans" towards "socialism." It says he's a socialist. And there is a difference between leaning towards socialism and being a socialist

The fact is that there's a lot of room between a true "capitalist" and a true "socialist." In fact, America has "leaned" towards socialism for years. It hasn't been a true capitalist society for decades (if it ever was). And as part of that system, even McCain leans towards socialism to some extent.

For instance, McCain said the following in 2000 on Hardball (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/spread_the_tax_hooey.html):

Maybe Obama "leans" towards "socialism" but he still more towards the capitalist side than the socialist.
I would disagree since hes for taking a lot of money away from those that busted ass to earn it. He keeps stating that 95% of small businesses wont be affected by his $250k figure, the problem is that 10% of the small businesses employ 90% of the people.

Ahh well, stop reading the far-right conservative argument, because you keep posting it verbatim without any type of proof to make it true.

And your girlfriend loves a pillhead. Tell her that.

I don't read any of his websites either but nice try, and just cause you're a pill head that don't make you a bad person.

Keep arguing with me or really look into his history to see that he really is a socialist masquerading as a "for the people" kind of candidate, quite a few people have ran under those platforms none of them really good men.

[ahhdurr]

Well, the first one youre allowed to vote for is always your favorite.

I see what you did there... :happy:

[EliSnow]

Yeah the only correction is that they wont pay more, which in itself is a lie since once you take away tax credits then it is a tax increase. The point which the article is pointing out, that you seem to have missed is that you cant expect to only raise taxes on the rich to get money you have to raise taxes on the middle class as well. Something clinton did but got lucky when the dot com boom happened, its easy to make money when revolutionary technology comes along.

That article has a bunch of points. And I don't know that you can't raise taxes on the rich without raising taxes on the middle class. And I'm going to need more than just one person's opinion, especially when it's from a conservative magazine.


I would disagree since hes for taking a lot of money away from those that busted ass to earn it. He keeps stating that 95% of small businesses wont be affected by his $250k figure, the problem is that 10% of the small businesses employ 90% of the people.

I'm not sure about the accuracy of your stats, but let's say they are correct. Doesn't that mean that one half of the 10% won't get touched by the his taxes, and the other half will? It still doesn't make him a socialist.

And our tax system has taken away a lot of money from those that busted their ass for years, and is set up so that the wealthy pay a larger percentage of taxes than the poor.

Keep arguing with me or really look into his history to see that he really is a socialist masquerading as a "for the people" kind of candidate,

First, is he a socialist or does he "lean" towards socialism. Make up your position.

Second, what history? All you point to is his tax plan which calls for taxing the rich more than the middle class. McCain is for the same thing, just not as much as Obama.

What other "history" makes him a socialist?

quite a few people have ran under those platforms none of them really good men.

Our current president for example.

[Furtherman]

Keep arguing with me or really look into his history to see that he really is a socialist masquerading as a "for the people" kind of candidate, quite a few people have ran under those platforms none of them really good men.

He is not masquerading. He is simply running against a bloated sense of value in your party. You wouldn't have such a decree to point out (and not prove) faults about Obama on a messageboard if you haven't been feeding on it somewhere else.

And you know who IS a socialist? Roger Calero. Running on the Socialist Working Party ticket. And they see no difference between the Democrats and the Republicans.

[MisterSmith]

Keep arguing with me or really look into his history to see that he really is a socialist masquerading as a "for the people" kind of candidate, quite a few people have ran under those platforms none of them really good men.

Can you point out where he/they call for the nationalization of property and industry (a.k.a. capital)? No private property and common ownership of resources and the means of production are the primary thrust of Socialism.

Just because somebody wants a system to be more equalitarian/egalitarian it doesn't mean they are Socialist.

[west milly Tom]

Its very simple for me:

Obama says %95 of Americans are going to get tax cuts, however we are already in a deficit, and his platform is to increase government spending by $927billion in the first year. So then, where is that money going to come from? Oh wait I know, taxes. People are idiots believing that %95 are going to get a tax cut, that's impossible. Fucking
Sheep.

[EliSnow]

Can you point out where he/they call for the nationalization of property and industry (a.k.a. capital)? No private property and common ownership of resources and the means of production are the primary thrust of Socialism.

Just because somebody wants a system to be more equalitarian/egalitarian it doesn't mean they are Socialist.

EVERYONE knows that when Bill Ayers was in Obama's living room to plan Obama's state senate campaign, they also planned terrorist attacks, sociallizing America's industries, giving mortgages to bad people, and helping out the fat cats on Wall Street.

[EliSnow]

Its very simple for me:

Obama says %95 of Americans are going to get tax cuts, however we are already in a deficit, and his platform is to increase government spending by $927billion in the first year. So then, where is that money going to come from? Oh wait I know, taxes. People are idiots believing that %95 are going to get a tax cut, that's impossible. Fucking
Sheep.

McCain says he's cutting taxes across the board.

[disneyspy]

its simple for me too
if i was a millionaire id be a republican
people that arent millionaires and vote republican are the real sheep

[TjM]

Late to the party but

1, He's black

2, He wanna takes away mize guunz


If we just made the South it's own country we would solve all our problems

[disneyspy]

Late to the party but

1, He's black

2, He wanna takes away mize guunz


If we just made the South it's own country we would solve all our problems

they tried that,didnt work out so well

[west milly Tom]

Obama is the second coming of Carter, not the messiah. The windfall profit tax didn't work then, and it won't work ever. Oil companies will pass the bill onto consumers, so who really gets hurt?

[Sweet_Ness]

With an endearing enjoyable accent

its a philly accent

[SP1!]

Can you point out where he/they call for the nationalization of property and industry (a.k.a. capital)? No private property and common ownership of resources and the means of production are the primary thrust of Socialism.

Just because somebody wants a system to be more equalitarian/egalitarian it doesn't mean they are Socialist.
The whole subset of creating socialism is to create egalitarian society:
Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and the creation of an egalitarian society. Modern socialism originated in the late nineteenth-century working class political movement.
Socialism does not have a set value but that is the broadest definition but it does include most of obamas policies, to say hes does not have socialist principles is just ignorance. Have you read his book at all?

It would be nice to have a utopian society but the real world isnt fair, you make of life what you accomplish, people that are poor usually(not always) work hard at it to achieve that status. To have it taken away because you busted your ass is the basis of socialism, the only ones I feel should have money taken away are inheritance babies who have never worked a day in their lives.

its simple for me too
if i was a millionaire id be a republican
people that arent millionaires and vote republican are the real sheep
The quote is "If you are young and not a democrat you have no heart, if you are old and arent a republican, you have no brain."
There are no values that the old democrat party had that they have kept now, they are for sale to what ever will keep them in power and are doing their best to cater to the lowest common denominator to keep the power.

People that vote democrat and expect them to make their life better are just fooling themselves into thinking the party gives a shit about them.

Oh and just for the record I feel the same way about the republican party, they are both full of shit and do not care about any of us just ways to keep making themselves money.

[disneyspy]

all i meant when i said teddy roosevelt couldnt win on a 3rd party ticket then who could is this country will always be a two party country.i vote with my wallet,sorry if i pissed off my buds west milly and steamin,didnt mean to be an ass

[midwestjeff]

.i vote with my wallet

Dude, you're supposed to use a ballot.
No wonder Florida is always fucking up elections.

[disneyspy]

Dude, you're supposed to use a ballot.
No wonder Florida is always fucking up elections.

ha! my bad,no wonder those old ladies at the pollin booth kept thinkin they had to blow me

[Drunky McBetidont]

i am afraid to vote early. i feel less confident that my vote will count that way. i like to choose my next leader by spitting on the booth on november 4..

[disneyspy]

i am afraid to vote early. i feel less confident that my vote will count that way. i like to choose my next leader by spitting on the booth on november 4..

ya so did those old ladies

[SP1!]

all i meant when i said teddy roosevelt couldnt win on a 3rd party ticket then who could is this country will always be a two party country.i vote with my wallet,sorry if i pissed off my buds west milly and steamin,didnt mean to be an ass

Oh I didnt take it that way, but people think that its all about money when its really all about people getting and keeping power.

I really dont believe either party gives a rats ass about us