Is FOX News just a gigantic joke at this point?

[K.C.]

I'll check out a show like Hannity's because I find it funny, because the guy is a tool.

But it's getting to the point where it's just pathetic, and the level of desperation they're showing as election day nears is embarassing.


They're pushing this Khalidi thing like it's the equivalent of literally Obama fellating Bin Laden on tape.


This 'guilt by association' thing is one of the weakest arguments I've ever heard.

I mean, I can play this game, too.

-Sean Hannity is a supporter of pedofilia for belonging to a Catholic Church diocese in New York City
-Sean Hannity is a purveyor of anti-Jewish, Nazi propoganda for his long standing association with Anthony Cumia.
-Sean Hannity is a supporter of illegal distribution of prescription drugs for his association and defense of Rush Limbaugh, which leads to...
-Sean Hannity supports Al Qaeda and all terrorist groups world wide, for his support of Rush Limbaugh and illegal drug distribution, which so many Right Wing groups have told us funds world wide terrorism.

Sean Hannity...pedofilia...nazism...drugs...terrorism.. .

Don't forget it!



(See how easy this is?)

[spoon]

Short answer is yes, but it didn't just happen at THIS point.

[thejives]

Glad to hear it.

Now get back to posting polls, stat wench.

[ChrisTheCop]

See, now although I'm uncomfortable at times with the turn the Daily Show has taken,
especially after they seemed to be personally insulted at the "real america" comments,
I still watch and find them entertaining.

I dont watch FOX all that much, but I think there's room for everyone.

[thejives]

See, now although I'm uncomfortable at times with the turn the Daily Show has taken,
especially after they seemed to be personally insulted at the "real america" comments,
I still watch and find them entertaining.

I dont watch FOX all that much, but I think there's room for everyone.

Have you made a decision yet Chris?

[ChrisTheCop]

Have you made a decision yet Chris?

Yes I have.

And I will not announce it here for fear everyone will hate me.

[thejives]

Yes I have.

And I will not announce it here for fear everyone will hate me.

That's what democracy is all about.

But for the record, I'll never hate you. You poor cable-less, slow-to-decide sox-fan, heroic bastard.

[spoon]

Yes I have.

And I will not announce it here for fear everyone will hate me.

Too late, this means he's going McCain. That was easy.

[thejives]

Too late, this means he's going McCain. That was easy.

It's ok. the luck he's having with technology his voting lever will break down in mid punch.

[ChrisTheCop]

Too late, this means he's going McCain. That was easy.

Wow. Youre good. :wink:

[thejives]

Wait... It's so obvious

Joe the Plumber
Chris the Cop

The right is pandering to the definite article.

[ChrisTheCop]

It's ok. the luck he's having with technology his voting lever will break down in mid punch.

Ive had problems there before. As a young cop, I was assigned to open a polling place. They were having trouble opening the back of a booth, so I took out my knife and tried to jimmy it. The tip of the knife blade broke right off.

What that has to do with anything, I'm not sure. Just more bad luck.

[ChrisTheCop]

Wait... It's so obvious

Joe the Plumber
Chris the Cop

The right is pandering to the definite article.

Just dont investigate me. I'm not really a cop.


I'm a sergeant now. :smoke:

[spoon]

That's still a cop though.

[thejives]

Just dont investigate me. I'm not really a cop.


I'm a sergeant now. :smoke:

Congratulations!

[ChrisTheCop]

That's still a cop though.

Nah, it's one step closer to KING!

(besides, Joe the Plumber was also really still a plumber, just not a licensed one, since he didnt have to be.)

[JerseySean]

I'll check out a show like Hannity's because I find it funny, because the guy is a tool.

But it's getting to the point where it's just pathetic, and the level of desperation they're showing as election day nears is embarassing.


They're pushing this Khalidi thing like it's the equivalent of literally Obama fellating Bin Laden on tape.


This 'guilt by association' thing is one of the weakest arguments I've ever heard.

I mean, I can play this game, too.

-Sean Hannity is a supporter of pedofilia for belonging to a Catholic Church diocese in New York City
-Sean Hannity is a purveyor of anti-Jewish, Nazi propoganda for his long standing association with Anthony Cumia.
-Sean Hannity is a supporter of illegal distribution of prescription drugs for his association and defense of Rush Limbaugh, which leads to...
-Sean Hannity supports Al Qaeda and all terrorist groups world wide, for his support of Rush Limbaugh and illegal drug distribution, which so many Right Wing groups have told us funds world wide terrorism.

Sean Hannity...pedofilia...nazism...drugs...terrorism.. .

Don't forget it!



(See how easy this is?)

If you are going to start off on Fox news now, cliche' guy....

Check out MSNBC lately, oh no I guess that is fair and balanced too right?

http://www.journalism.org/node/13436

this is a very reliable and unbiased source. Seriously, stop it.

[K.C.]

Seriously, stop it.
No.

You know what I think of MSNBC? I don't watch it anymore. I know it's toolish, and not in the 'it's so bad, it's kind of how funny how bad it is' FOX way.

And MSNBC has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with what I'm talking about in this ridiculous 'guilt by association' tactic, 'must be a board character he's so ridiculously strapped to the republican line' guy (see what I did there..?)

Stay on topic, or don't post.

This is about FOX.

You want to talk about MSNBC...start another thread.

[JerseySean]

No.

You know what I think of MSNBC? I don't watch it anymore. I know it's toolish, and not in the 'it's so bad, it's kind of how funny how bad it is' FOX way.

And MSNBC has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with what I'm talking about in this ridiculous 'guilt by association' tactic, 'must be a board character he's so ridiculously strapped to the republican line' guy (see what I did there..?)

Stay on topic, or don't post.

This is about FOX.

You want to talk about MSNBC...start another thread.

look at that graph. The negative stories about McCain are equally as negative as about Obama. Fox New has reported MORE positive stories about Obama than McCain. If you want to call Hannity a joke, fine, I agree. But dont knock the network which has honestly been pretty fair.

[K.C.]

look at that graph. The negative stories about McCain are equally as negative as about Obama.

It's not what I'm talking about

I'm talking about a particular tactic on a particular network.

This isn't about media bias, or covering the candidates, or network vs. network, or anything else. I'd be glad to talk about that some other time. But that's not my angle here.


-FOX
-Straw man 'guilt by association' theory
-Obama

Discuss.

[ChrisTheCop]

With the exception of Spoon, JerseySean is the only one so far to come CLOSE to discussing the topic you set forth. Ya might wanna cut him some slack.

[PhilDeez]

I'll check out a show like Hannity's because I find it funny, because the guy is a tool.

But it's getting to the point where it's just pathetic, and the level of desperation they're showing as election day nears is embarassing.


They're pushing this Khalidi thing like it's the equivalent of literally Obama fellating Bin Laden on tape.


This 'guilt by association' thing is one of the weakest arguments I've ever heard.

I mean, I can play this game, too.

-Sean Hannity is a supporter of pedofilia for belonging to a Catholic Church diocese in New York City
-Sean Hannity is a purveyor of anti-Jewish, Nazi propoganda for his long standing association with Anthony Cumia.
-Sean Hannity is a supporter of illegal distribution of prescription drugs for his association and defense of Rush Limbaugh, which leads to...
-Sean Hannity supports Al Qaeda and all terrorist groups world wide, for his support of Rush Limbaugh and illegal drug distribution, which so many Right Wing groups have told us funds world wide terrorism.

Sean Hannity...pedofilia...nazism...drugs...terrorism.. .

Don't forget it!



(See how easy this is?)

I can see how if you disagree with what they are pushing then you would find it ridiculous - I admit at times it goes too far for me and I tend to fall in line with most of these tools you mention.
That said, it is the leading cable news outlet based on ratings.
Also your guilt by association rant is a reach. I don't think Hannity has endorsed any child abusing priest by writing the forward to his book, mentioning him as his spiritual advisor, or appearing on a video that would so incriminate him that Fox refuses to release it to the public.

[JerseySean]

It's not what I'm talking about

I'm talking about a particular tactic on a particular network.

This isn't about media bias, or covering the candidates, or network vs. network, or anything else. I'd be glad to talk about that some other time. But that's not my angle here.


-FOX
-Straw man 'guilt by association' theory
-Obama

Discuss.

FOX-Fair and Balanced in coverage of Obama

Hannity, Guilt by Assocition, whatever. You cant call an entire news network a joke because of one of its editorial members. I would rename the thread to is Sean hannity a joke?

My answer, yes and he always has been.

Moreover, one way or the other, people will judge you by the company that you keep. I learned that as a kid. So now I watch who
I associate with. Obama definately has shady characters in his life. I dont think he will give them cabinet posts, but it is WAY too many now. Wright, Khalidi, Ayres, Mazen Asbahi, Rezko and on and on. Yes something is up.

[K.C.]

That said, it is the leading cable news outlet based on ratings.
Not sure what ratings have to do with anything.


Also your guilt by association rant is a reach. I don't think Hannity has endorsed any child abusing priest by writing the forward to his book, mentioning him as his spiritual advisor, or appearing on a video that would so incriminate him that Fox refuses to release it to the public.

It's not a reach at all.

Show me where Obama has said "it's a shame that Bill Ayers didn't kill more people" or "Jeremiah Wright was right...we deserved 9/11"

Yet Obama apparently endorses terrorism, and 9/11 because he's crossed paths with certain people at certain points in his life.

By that logic, Hannity's logic, Hannity himself MUST endorse kid-touching since he's still Catholic, and there's some pedofile priests in New York City.

[JerseySean]

Not sure what ratings have to do with anything.



It's not a reach at all.

Show me where Obama has said "it's a shame that Bill Ayers didn't kill more people" or "Jeremiah Wright was right...we deserved 9/11"

Yet Obama apparently endorses terrorism, and 9/11 because he's crossed paths with certain people at certain points in his life.


Dude I would be fine with this explanation if these "certain" people werent hanging out with him like two years ago. Ayres, Rezko and Wright have all been close with Obama until his campaign. Ayres, less so but come on now

[K.C.]

I would rename the thread to is Sean hannity a joke?

My answer, yes and he always has been.

Fair enough, although they use this Ayers/Rezko/Wright stuff on all the shows (including what's suppose to be the news shows), not just Hannity's. Now it's this new guy.

And to at least show I'm consistent on how stupid this type of argument is, I thought it was equally as ridiculous when Hillary started it with the Wright stuff.

[JerseySean]

Fair enough, although they use this Ayers/Rezko/Wright stuff on all the shows (including what's suppose to be the news shows), not just Hannity's. Now it's this new guy.

And to at least show I'm consistent on how stupid this type of argument is, I thought it was equally as ridiculous when Hillary started it with the Wright stuff.

but look man, it is a legit argument to a point. When the names stack and stack like that, you have to wonder. But look at the chart again....Obama has more positive and less negative than McCain on Fox News. They honestly are being Fair and Balanced

[PhilDeez]

Not sure what ratings have to do with anything.



It's not a reach at all.

Show me where Obama has said "it's a shame that Bill Ayers didn't kill more people" or "Jeremiah Wright was right...we deserved 9/11"

Yet Obama apparently endorses terrorism, and 9/11 because he's crossed paths with certain people at certain points in his life.

By that logic, Hannity's logic, Hannity himself MUST endorse kid-touching since he's still Catholic, and there's some pedofile priests in New York City.

I brought up the ratings thing just to show that there are plenty more rubes that watch this network than most, who just don't share your insightful unbiased point of view.

I understand where you are going with the eight degrees of separation, but as far as I know Hannity has not endorsed or been associated with any Catholic priests that are kid touchers. Your argument would be valid if Hannity was saying that Obama has Muslim ties so therefore he wants to launch another 911. Hannity, and the like, are hammering home the close associations Obama has had with specific individuals.

[K.C.]

Dude I would be fine with this explanation if these "certain" people werent hanging out with him like two years ago. Ayres, Rezko and Wright have all been close with Obama until his campaign. Ayres, less so but come on now

None of them are or really were 'close' with him, though

The most concrete thing that can be said about it, is there was some degree of cross-over professional interaction.


I have FAMILY MEMBERS who say absolutely crazy things that have nothing to do with anything I think.

I'm sure everyone has that to some degree.

That's a 'close' relationship, and yet I'm not responsible for them, nor they for me...

So how is it even the slightest bit of an issue that Obama has a couple associational links to certain guys, because of his professional interests?

It'd be one thing if Obama was sitting in a chair next to Wright screaming "Sing it, my brother!" as the guy was going off.

He attended a church...he's not more responsible for his pastor, than someone who had a priest molestation scandal in their church is responsible for that.

[PhilDeez]

He attended a church...he's not more responsible for his pastor, than someone who had a priest molestation scandal in their church is responsible for that.

Exactly. Most priests caught up in these scandals were removed by the church or forced out by the members, not left to continually preach for over 20 years. Obama attended and listened to Wright for years and referred to him as his spiritual advisor, that is a little different from being catholic and having a priest in your area abuse a kid.

[K.C.]

but look man, it is a legit argument to a point. When the names stack and stack like that, you have to wonder.

But can you honestly tell me that you can't dig into someone's past, especially in a public life, and dig up four or five people that may have been in the same place at the same time with a guy, who have some pretty bizarre viewpoints?

It just seems like the ultimate grasping at straws.

I imagine if I looked into it, I could probably make a similar 'guilt by association' argument for Bush and his entire cabinet...McCain...Palin...Harry Reid...Nancy Pelosi...and on down through the line of legislators.

I just can't understand why they think THIS is going to be their winning issue (because let's face it, this is all that the tone-setters for the right like Hannity and Limbaugh are talking about these days).

[JerseySean]

So how is it even the slightest bit of an issue that Obama has a couple associational links to certain guys, because of his professional interests?

He attended a church...he's not more responsible for his pastor, than someone who had a priest molestation scandal in their church is responsible for that.

As a Catholic myself, if the Priest was molesting children on the alter, I am fairly certain that I would no longer attend that church. Obama should have stopped attending, he didnt.

As far as Rezko goes, there was a close personal and business and political friendship there. Which is troubling because Rezko was convicted of..........political corruption.

Ayres, I will give you is a stretch. I dont think he and Obama were close by any means. But a relationship with that guy is trouble when you are running for President. He bombed the Capitol for goodness sake.

[K.C.]

Exactly. Most priests caught up in these scandals were removed by the church or forced out by the members, not left to continually preach for over 20 years. Obama attended and listened to Wright for years and referred to him as his spiritual advisor, that is a little different from being catholic and having a priest in your area abuse a kid.

Not at all...most people who are religious refer to their priests as their spiritual advisors.

If you want to make the point, that once Obama was asked about Reverend Wright's 9/11 thing, he should have initially run from him like the plague, I guess that's an opinion.

I'm not sure how a 9/11 opinion disqualifies someone as an authority on religious text, though.

Jerry Falwell (or maybe Pat Robertson...I forget which)...said that 9/11 was God's anger at homosexuality and AIDS in America after the attacks.

Yet there were still plenty of Republican candidates who attempted to court favor with him afterwards because of the religious influence he wielded.

[JerseySean]

But can you honestly tell me that you can't dig into someone's past, especially in a public life, and dig up four or five people that may have been in the same place at the same time with a guy, who have some pretty bizarre viewpoints?

It just seems like the ultimate grasping at straws.

I imagine if I looked into it, I could probably make a similar 'guilt by association' argument for Bush and his entire cabinet...McCain...Palin...Harry Reid...Nancy Pelosi...and on down through the line of legislators.

I just can't understand why they think THIS is going to be their winning issue (because let's face it, this is all that the tone-setters for the right like Hannity and Limbaugh are talking about these days).

This is not a winning issue, but it does help. I am with you on this to a point. I hung with a rough and tumble bunch when I was 18. But I am 26 now and dont hang with people like that anymore. By the time I am 47 and running for President, I am confident that I wont be. Its a matter of maturity. And it questions what Obama really believes. Does he really believe Ayres' education policy? Does he think Rev Wright has a point when he speaks? He has to grow the fuck up and realize what is acceptable.

[JerseySean]

Yet there were still plenty of Republican candidates who attempted to court favor with him afterwards because of the religious influence he wielded.

They were assholes and lost. See:George Allen/Rick Santorum

[spoon]

None of them are or really were 'close' with him, though

The most concrete thing that can be said about it, is there was some degree of cross-over professional interaction.


I have FAMILY MEMBERS who say absolutely crazy things that have nothing to do with anything I think.

I'm sure everyone has that to some degree.

That's a 'close' relationship, and yet I'm not responsible for them, nor they for me...

So how is it even the slightest bit of an issue that Obama has a couple associational links to certain guys, because of his professional interests?

It'd be one thing if Obama was sitting in a chair next to Wright screaming "Sing it, my brother!" as the guy was going off.

He attended a church...he's not more responsible for his pastor, than someone who had a priest molestation scandal in their church is responsible for that.

Quite simply, it speaks to their campaign and the fact that they have nothing else to bring up. This won't work either. It's quite sad.

And for someone who doensn't buy into Hannity, JS surely repeats his words like a parrot.

[spoon]

Exactly. Most priests caught up in these scandals were removed by the church or forced out by the members, not left to continually preach for over 20 years. Obama attended and listened to Wright for years and referred to him as his spiritual advisor, that is a little different from being catholic and having a priest in your area abuse a kid.

Sorry, but no. These priests WERE protected for years and or left in their spots with their issues ignored. Read up on it why don't you, it's well documented. And to compare a man hearing rhetoric vs another touching children, you my friend may have a career in repub politics baby!

[JerseySean]

Sorry, but no. These priests WERE protected for years and or left in their spots with their issues ignored. Read up on it why don't you, it's well documented. And to compare a man hearing rhetoric vs another touching children, you my friend may have a career in repub politics baby!

So you are blaming parishoners for the Catholic priests being protected. Ummm...no. I do blame Obama for sitting in a church and hearing that week after week knowingly sorry, but that is a false argument to compare those two.

[spoon]

He has to grow the fuck up and realize what is acceptable.

Really? U dictate, along with Hannity, Limbaugh and others what is acceptable now bases on loose afffilitations!? Give me a break. And grow "the fuck up"? Ok, now I know you're insane.

[spoon]

So you are blaming parishoners for the Catholic priests being protected. Ummm...no. I do blame Obama for sitting in a church and hearing that week after week knowingly sorry, but that is a false argument to compare those two.

First off, you act as if you and others KNOW that Wright brought this up every week. Let me ask you this, who has Bush AND McCain sought out for religious leadership and direction in the past, often?

[PapaBear]

I'm curious about something. The comments from Wright that have been used to bash Obama... Is there any real indication that this was the type of thing that he preached week after week? Or, is it just a few clips that have been used to attack Obama?

[AKA]

I'm curious about something. The comments from Wright that have been used to bash Obama... Is there any real indication that this was the type of thing that he preached week after week? Or, is it just a few clips that have been used to attack Obama?

No there isn't - far from it. But he gave them enough to run with.

[TheMojoPin]

See, now although I'm uncomfortable at times with the turn the Daily Show has taken,
especially after they seemed to be personally insulted at the "real america" comments,
I still watch and find them entertaining.

I dont watch FOX all that much, but I think there's room for everyone.

How does a fake comedy news show compare to a real news network?