R&F Sirius/XM Listening Thread for 11/10/2008

[Brian1973]

Gays can get married here in Vermont. I saw one once in the park, I was riding my bike through and stopped to see all the fuss. Their was two MEN getting married. I was watching and then the man that was marrying them said, "You can now kiss the Husband". I starting laughing and then some of the people there looked at me with very stern faces so I got out of there quickly. I didn't want no trouble.



Gay people can get married to a person of the opposite sex in any state. A straight person shares this ability.

[Rube]

No, mr mormon thats not a lose description of mormons, they believe there is a portal near st loius to take them to heaven, makes christians look sane.

There's a Porthole near St. Louis? Do they really think that?:blink:

[SP1!]

There are religions that use peyote in their rituals, and that is banned. Freedom of religion does not mean that you do what you want, or you can tell others what to do.

So you might have to see homos marry, Mormons. Sorry. Get on your bikes and hand out copies of your fake book.

Actually its not banned, there are even licensed peyote growers in texas for those indian tribes

[Dingbat_Charlie]

love fired up Fezzy.

[SP1!]

There's a Porthole near St. Louis? Do they really think that?:blink:

Yeah I used to have a link for that, but that religion is the fucking wackiest out there

[IamFogHat]

This has been said before, but why are people so hung up on it has to be between a man and a woman? Who cares? How does it affect you?

[EliSnow]

This caller is an asshole.

[KnoxHarrington]

Someone tell this douche that the definition of marriage has changed several times. Look up the word "miscegenation."

[yojimbo7248]

Nice to hear Fez getting riled up and showing some emotion.

[epo]

I love listening to regular people describe constitutional law.

:thumbdown:

[disneyspy]

pee pee in the poo poo,sounds like option 3

[PD]

This has been said before, but why are people so hung up on it has to be between a man and a woman? Who cares? How does it affect you?
I don't get it either.
if they say its against religion, then don't have your religion allow it.

If you are catholic (or jewish) for example, don't you have to get a religious marriage for it to be accepted?

[MisterSmith]

Their son Ron Reagan is gay.

[EliSnow]

Hey, did South Dakota vote for or against abortion?

[led37zep]

Everyone doing good this morning?

[Brian1973]

I love listening to regular people describe constitutional law.

:thumbdown:


Yeah, the irregular people are much more interesting.

[KnoxHarrington]

Hey, did South Dakota vote for or against abortion?


All the anti-abortion initiatives went down.

[disneyspy]

the gays need to start their own religion so they can get an out

[Rube]

Everyone doing good this morning?
yes zep. glad you made it.

[nate1000]

?
Don't civil unons give gays similar rights to married people?

[Recyclerz]

Nice to hear Fez getting riled up and showing some emotion.

It sure is. It also disproves Ron's theory that Fez only cares about things that affect him directly.

Right? :wink:

[EliSnow]

I love listening to regular people describe constitutional law.

:thumbdown:

Yeah, lots of fun.

[KnoxHarrington]

?
Don't civil unons give gays similar rights to married people?

Not really. They're much more open to challenge than a marriage is.

[EliSnow]

Fez, tell Ron there is a difference between being able to join a sports team and having a governmental benefit being based upon your sexual orientation.

[EliSnow]

Civil unions are insufficient the same way that "separate, but equal" was.

[yojimbo7248]

This has been said before, but why are people so hung up on it has to be between a man and a woman? Who cares? How does it affect you?

seriously, I don't get the anger on the anti-gay marriage side. The bible is against fornication, adultry, and divorce and yet you don't see religious people get so emotional about those topics. When Jesus was on the earth he never mentioned gays so homosexual issue were clearly not a top priority for the founder of the religion. Lighten the hell up, Christians.

[SP1!]

It sure is. It also disproves Ron's theory that Fez only cares about things that affect him directly.

Right? :wink:

Sure, cause fez isnt dating a man at all, right?

[led37zep]

Hate fake chad

:furious::furious:

[Hottub]

My wife's cousin and his BF get along better than most hetero cuples I know.

[PD]

?
Don't civil unons give gays similar rights to married people?
http://lesbianlife.about.com/cs/wedding/a/unionvmarriage.htm

[nate1000]

small delicious:lol:

[CHUCKWAGONCOOK]

Because of this!!!!!!!!!
http://www.pubhousedialogues.com/media/blogs/curmudgeon/MenKissing.jpg

[PD]

seriously, I don't get the anger on the anti-gay marriage side. The bible is against fornication, adultry, and divorce and yet you don't see religious people get so emotional about those topics. When Jesus was on the earth he never mentioned gays so homosexual issue were clearly not a top priority for the founder of the religion. Lighten the hell up, Christians.

don't forget Onanism.

[SinA]

I think the problem is that Fez is hoping to get married to someone, a woman I guess, from Canada.

[nate1000]

http://lesbianlife.about.com/cs/wedding/a/unionvmarriage.htm

this link better have a bunch of pictures.

[SP1!]

seriously, I don't get the anger on the anti-gay marriage side. The bible is against fornication, adultry, and divorce and yet you don't see religious people get so emotional about those topics. When Jesus was on the earth he never mentioned gays so homosexual issue were clearly not a top priority for the founder of the religion. Lighten the hell up, Christians.

Well I do think there are passages that condone stoning of men who lay down with other men, beasts and crap like that but Im not sure where.

Still I am fully in the camp that all you can do is say what the bible says but not force them to do anything and let them answer for it later if god does exist.

[Warren Peace]

There's a Porthole near St. Louis? Do they really think that?:blink:

The Mormon equivalent of Jerusalem is Nauvoo, IL...which is right on the Mississippi River. It is a town of about 1,000 people. They recently built a huge temple in the town where supposedly only Mormons are allowed to enter.

[KingGeno]

Because of this!!!!!!!!![/IMG]

http://ihasahotdog.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/funny-dog-pictures-what-has-been-seen.jpg

Thank you, Mozilla+Adblock Image Block

[biggestmexi]

Man beaten off by gay wedding

News at 11.

fixed

[PD]

this link better have a bunch of pictures.

I can send you those pictures separately.

check your inbox

[PD]

Well I do think there are passages that condone stoning of men who lay down with other men, beasts and crap like that but Im not sure where.

.

Leviticus, in old testament, where it also says don't eat pork.

[hexy68]

I can send you those pictures separately.

check your inbox

just the lipstick lesbian pics please

[Freakshow]

The Mormon equivalent of Jerusalem is Nauvoo, IL...which is right on the Mississippi River. It is a town of about 1,000 people. They recently built a huge temple in the town where supposedly only Mormons are allowed to enter.

non-mormons aren't allowed in most mormon temples. My sister was in her friend's wedding and she wasn't allowed inside during the ceremony because she wasn't a mormon.

My dad, on the other hand, has been on the roof of the place (in DC), before it was finished...

[MisterSmith]

Civil unions are insufficient the same way that "separate, but equal" was.

Very well put.

[SP1!]

Top 10 Amazing Facts of Mormonism

1. Mormons can become gods and goddesses.
2. Goddesses will spend eternity in full submission to their god-husband.
3. Mormon women will give birth “forever and ever” to spirit-babies.
4. Mormon men can have multiple wives in heaven—eternal polygamy.
5. Heavenly Father is an exalted man who lives with his goddess wife, Heavenly Mother, on a planet near the great star Kolob.
6. American Indians are descendants of the wicked Lamanites, who were Israelites that God cursed with dark skin.
7. God the Father had sex with Mary to conceive Jesus, who is the half brother of Lucifer.
8. All Christian churches are an abomination.
9. Mormons need 4 secret handshakes to get into the Celestial heaven.
10. Joseph Smith revealed that the actual Garden of Eden is in Jackson County, Missouri.



Fucking nut jobs, also Im pretty sure they are the religion that think only a percentage of people will get into heaven and that percentage has went up as more people have joined the religion. They also believe black people are black because of transgression in a past existence, they are fucking nutty.

[disneyspy]

Because of this!!!!!!!!!
http://www.pubhousedialogues.com/media/blogs/curmudgeon/MenKissing.jpg

i think all guys better lookin than me should be gay and only ugly chicks should be gay

[PD]

if Fez knew, civil unions aren't legally the same as marriage.

[nate1000]

I can send you those pictures separately.

check your inbox

tease

[JimmieHats]

buddayssssssssssss

[SP1!]

Leviticus, in old testament, where it also says don't eat pork.

"Pork tastes good, bacon tastes good........"

[PD]

Civil unions are insufficient the same way that "separate, but equal" was.

while it is good argument,
seemingly they aren't currently the same- and I don't think anyone has proposed to make them the same.
(ie- nationwide recognized, etc)

[EliSnow]

Well I do think there are passages that condone stoning of men who lay down with other men, beasts and crap like that but Im not sure where.

I believe the same passages condone stoning of men who sleep with women who are not their wives. As others pointed out, the same section also talks about what you can or cannot eat.

[IamFogHat]

Heh-heh, ass-king.

[OGC]

I've never heard Fez so passionate about a subject.

[EliSnow]

while it is good argument,
seemingly they aren't currently the same- and I don't think anyone has proposed to make them the same.
(ie- nationwide recognized, etc)

Yeah, my argument was based on the premise that civil unions and marriages were the same thing, except for the name.

[EliSnow]

Very well put.

I thought so.

[Furtherman]

I've never heard Fez so passionate about a subject.

Ever hear him talk about wrestling?

[yojimbo7248]

don't forget Onanism.

One of the things I love about ronfez.net is I am always learning. I had no clue that pulling out and wasting sperm is a sin until I just looked up onanism.

come on, Fez. come out and join the fight. seriously, who cares that you are gay. when he does finally come out, it will be as though Liberace came out before he died.

[Rube]

fixedI was a lot younger then. I went into the park bathrooms just to go # 1. I didn't know what that hole was for. I thought it was for peeing in.

[Sloppy2nds]

I've never heard Fez so passionate about a subject.

I'm starting to think he might be gay.

[KnoxHarrington]

David Bowie just finally decided he'd had enough cock, and he was ready to move on.

[MisterSmith]

Yeah, my argument was based on the premise that civil unions and marriages were the same thing, except for the name.

Wait, What?


I thought you were saying that marriage and civil union are not the same thing and cannot be treated as the same thing, much in the way that "separate but equal" was not an accurate description of the real situation.

[SP1!]

I believe the same passages condone stoning of men who sleep with women who are not their wives. As others pointed out, the same section also talks about what you can or cannot eat.

Im not arguing against gay marriage Im just pointing it out that it is in the bible for a few saying that it wasnt

[EliSnow]

You know what's frustrating? Ron could do a better job than Fez in arguing for gay marriages, but he's playing homophobe, religious zealot advocate to keep the show moving, etc.

And these callers think that is actually what he thinks.

[hexy68]

Ever hear him talk about wrestling?

or Three's Company trivia

[ralphbxny]

Slippery Slopes....racists!!

[Freakshow]

I was a lot younger then. I went into the park bathrooms just to go # 1. I didn't know what that hole was for. I thought it was for peeing in.

Are you calling George Michael a hole?

[EliSnow]

Im not arguing against gay marriage Im just pointing it out that it is in the bible for a few saying that it wasnt

Yeah, I knew that. I should have written it better. I just wanted to add some additional context to the information.

[drjoek]

Ever hear him talk about wrestling?

or Threes Company?

[brettmojo]

You know what's frustrating? Ron could do a better job than Fez in arguing for gay marriages, but he's playing homophobe, religious zealot advocate to keep the show moving, etc.

And these callers think that is actually what he thinks.
Yeah it's called a bit.

[Rube]

Ever hear him talk about wrestling?

or Three's Company trivia

or heart attacks

[EliSnow]

Wait, What?


I thought you were saying that marriage and civil union are not the same thing and cannot be treated as the same thing, much in the way that "separate but equal" was not an accurate description of the real situation.

Yes, and no. Even if civil unions gave the exact same benefits that a marriage does, I think it would fail for the same reasons, "separate but equal" did.

[MisterSmith]

Yeah it's called a bit.

That's the point. WE know it's a bit but the hayseeds don't understand that.

[KnoxHarrington]

Im always stunned at the callers. The callers don't fit my conception of the show. They might as well be calling Hannity.

Good point Ronnie. Who gave a shot what some ham n eggers in Alabama thought about blacks voting.

You're better than this, Ronnie. Please knock it off.

[SP1!]

Thats what Im sick of with people thinking about obama, there will be virtually nothing changing in everyones daily lives and most people arent much different, people were just sick of bush.

[MisterSmith]

Yes, and no. Even if civil unions gave the exact same benefits that a marriage does, I think it would fail for the same reasons, "separate but equal" did.

Gotcha, and I agree. Misunderstood your follow-up explanation.

[PD]

One of the things I love about ronfez.net is I am always learning. I had no clue that pulling out and wasting sperm is a sin until I just looked up onanism.

come on, Fez. come out and join the fight. seriously, who cares that you are gay. when he does finally come out, it will be as though Liberace came out before he died.



http://mfrost.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/05/29/the_more_you_know2.jpg

[SP1!]

Im always stunned at the callers. The callers don't fit my conception of the show. They might as well be calling Hannity.

Good point Ronnie. Who gave a shot what some ham n eggers in Alabama thought about blacks voting.

You're better than this, Ronnie. Please knock it off.

Well I think most of these people are in on the bit, if you cant hear the sarcasm in his voice then people are just retarded.

[yojimbo7248]

Im not arguing against gay marriage Im just pointing it out that it is in the bible for a few saying that it wasnt

My point was that Jesus was never quoted as mentioning gays so it clearly wasn't a key part of his teaching. I know it shows up in Paul's writings and Leviticus but Jesus seemed to put a higher priority on taking care of the poor and being a moral person than slamming on homosexuals.

[nate1000]

Fez never cuts the caller one ounce of slack!

[KatPw]

Since when is the word "marriage" a religious term? This man is a moron. Why doesn't he call it a fucking covenant, because that is what the church calls it.

[IMSlacker]

Get 'em Fez!

[disneyspy]

ron likes the back?
one of the funniest things i ever heard fez say on the old ron n ron show is the way he fakes an orgasm is by pulling out and spittin on the guys back

[PD]

what is this fixation with people calling civil service "marriage".?

it is not a religious thing if a justice of the peace performs it.

damn these ham and eggers.

[EliSnow]

Why can't Christians say no?

It's not a religious thing. It's government benefits and status, not religious. And because of that:

“Render onto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and unto God the things that are God’s” Matt. 22:21.

No one is forcing your Church to marry gays or to recognize gay marriages.

And they want to call it marriage because they want to be treated equally under the eyes of the law of the United States.

[Furtherman]

What a selfish, ignorant caller.

[KingGeno]

Go Fez! Pound That Guy's Ass Silly!

[Recyclerz]

Im always stunned at the callers. The callers don't fit my conception of the show. They might as well be calling Hannity.

Good point Ronnie. Who gave a shot what some ham n eggers in Alabama thought about blacks voting.

You're better than this, Ronnie. Please knock it off.

Ron is just playing devil's advocate to try to get Fezzie to strengthen his argument.

And trying to inject a li'l funny along the way.

[ralphbxny]

I just dont understand why people care!

[yojimbo7248]

Atheist marriages are not blessed by the church. Can we still call those a 'marriage'?

[SP1!]

My point was that Jesus was never quoted as mentioning gays so it clearly wasn't a key part of his teaching. I know it shows up in Paul's writings and Leviticus but Jesus seemed to put a higher priority on taking care of the poor and being a moral person than slamming on homosexuals.

You dont know about his personal life!!!

[MisterSmith]

The real argument is that there isn't a set, national, legal definition of what a Civil Union is; it is only legally valid state to state.

Here is a good explanation:

Recognition in other states: Even though each state has its own laws around marriage, if someone is married in one state and moves to another, their marriage is legally recognized. For example, Oregon marriage law applies to people 17 and over. In Washington state, the couple must be 18 to wed. However, Washington will recognize the marriage of two 17 year olds from Oregon who move there. This is not the case with Civil Unions. If someone has a Civil Union in Vermont, that union is not recognized in any other state. As a matter of fact, two states, Connecticut and Georgia, have ruled that they do not have to recognize civil unions performed in Vermont, because their states have no such legal category. As gay marriages become legal in other states, this status may change. (http://lesbianlife.about.com/cs/wedding/a/unionvmarriage.htm)

Same can be said RE: Domestic Partnerships; there doesn't seem to be a set definition or nationally recognized status.

[jimmyolsenblues]

i am so proud of fezzie...he is so strong today.
i love this tough fezzie.

[Sloppy2nds]

What a selfish, ignorant caller.

Dan's a douche. What an idiot

[Brian1973]

The real argument is that there isn't a set, national, legal definition of what a Civil Union is; it is only legally valid state to state.



This is true for "marriages" too.

[RhinoinMN]

Ron is just playing devil's advocate to try to get Fezzie to strengthen his argument.

And trying to inject a li'l funny along the way.

I'm the devil. Do what I say.

[Freakshow]

Since when is the word "marriage" a religious term? This man is a moron. Why doesn't he call it a fucking covenant, because that is what the church calls it.

like a group of witches? like 4 rooms? I'm on board with that.

[ralphbxny]

Fez is making sure the old ticker is working! Good for him!

[brettmojo]

Yes, and no. Even if civil unions gave the exact same benefits that a marriage does, I think it would fail for the same reasons, "separate but equal" did.

They really are nothing alike.

No one is sending gays to separate schools, water fountains, bathroom etc...

Gays are not going to get the government to force their acceptance in religions. It's ridiculous to try to do so.

Im always stunned at the callers. The callers don't fit my conception of the show. They might as well be calling Hannity.
There are on the same channel as Anthony Cumia... So there are bound to be some cross overs.

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

Many people don't seem to get that marriage is traditionally a religious thing, the fact that there are marriages by law even bothers me, because believe it or not the church/religion is a private club who is(. . . should be) very separate from government. Marriage is their little ritual so if they define it as a man marrying a woman etc then so be it. Gays should stop and try to look at it this way and see that this is why christians are scared; because they think that gays are trying to come and change the rules of their private club.

[Rube]

what is this fixation with people calling civil service "marriage".?

it is not a religious thing if a justice of the peace performs it.

damn these ham and eggers.I think what he's trying to say is that "Marriage" was originally a religious based event. Before people started getting "Married" I imagine they just hung out with each other a lot and stayed with each other for ever. You know what I mean. "Marriage" was concocted by the catholic church. I think that's what he's saying. Yes, now you can go get married at a town hall or from whoever has the papers to do it. But when it was first "introduced" it WAS a religious thing.

[nate1000]

I just dont understand why people care!

Cause once you let them marry, it won't be long before they are touching our kida and f$#king our moosen.

[Recyclerz]

I'm the devil. Do what I say.

No, the Devil's advocate says "The Devil isn't such a bad guy. I like the cut of his jib."

[MisterSmith]

This is true for "marriages" too.

That isn't quite true, which is explained in the linked quote. Your marriage doesn't disappear when you cross state lines; if you get legally married in one place you are legally married everywhere in the US. The same does not hold true for Civil Unions or Domestic Partnerships.

[Sloppy2nds]

There are on the same channel as Anthony Cumia... So there are bound to be some cross overs.

Sad, but true.

[yojimbo7248]

You dont know about his personal life!!!

:laugh:.

[aceofspades7]

that best of sirius add blows

[EliSnow]

Atheist marriages are not blessed by the church. Can we still call those a 'marriage'?

Same with marriages between divorcees, marriages done by Justices of the Peace, or ships' captains.

Yet, that caller wouldn't get his panties in a knot to calling those peoples' unions marriages.

Here's the reason to call it marriage, people. Saying you can't have marriage, but you can have civil unions is saying that a gay person's love is not the same as a straight persons, and is somewhat less. So we have to make up a name to describe a union based upon that love.

If a homosexual's love isn't equal to a straight person's, and he/she is not entitled to the same benefits, rights or fucking treatment that a straight person is, well then that person is not being treated equally by our goverment based upon his/her sexual orientation.

[KnoxHarrington]

I love this line in that dick creme ad: "And we couldn't say all this on the radio if it wasn't true."

OK, I'm sold.

[hexy68]

http://blog.drjays.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/0314_richard_simmons_flynet.jpg

[drjoek]

I love this line in that dick creme ad: "And we couldn't say all this on the radio if it wasn't true."

OK, I'm sold.

Followed by the 15 second disclamer that it hasn't been tested by the FDA etc

[RhinoinMN]

No, the Devil's advocate says "The Devil isn't such a bad guy. I like the cut of his jib."

:lol::lol:

[Brian1973]

The real argument is that there isn't a set, national, legal definition of what a Civil Union is; it is only legally valid state to state.

Here is a good explanation:

Recognition in other states: Even though each state has its own laws around marriage, if someone is married in one state and moves to another, their marriage is legally recognized. For example, Oregon marriage law applies to people 17 and over. In Washington state, the couple must be 18 to wed. However, Washington will recognize the marriage of two 17 year olds from Oregon who move there. This is not the case with Civil Unions. If someone has a Civil Union in Vermont, that union is not recognized in any other state. As a matter of fact, two states, Connecticut and Georgia, have ruled that they do not have to recognize civil unions performed in Vermont, because their states have no such legal category. As gay marriages become legal in other states, this status may change. (http://lesbianlife.about.com/cs/wedding/a/unionvmarriage.htm)

Same can be said RE: Domestic Partnerships; there doesn't seem to be a set definition or nationally recognized status.

That isn't quite true, which is explained in the linked quote. Your marriage doesn't disappear when you cross state lines; if you get legally married in one place you are legally married everywhere in the US. The same does not hold true for Civil Unions or Domestic Partnerships.


Its is completely true that there isn't a set, national, legal definition of what a marriage is.

[Big Sexy Rex Ransom]

gay is a birth defect. its natures way of saying ok i fucked up this one shouldn.t breed. we except them like we except a third nipple. is fez saying third nipple freaks should be able to marry?

[mongothetrucker]

If it is a religious issue, why do the states require a license? Fuck religion.

[PD]

The real argument is that there isn't a set, national, legal definition of what a Civil Union is; it is only legally valid state to state.

Here is a good explanation:

Recognition in other states: Even though each state has its own laws around marriage, if someone is married in one state and moves to another, their marriage is legally recognized. For example, Oregon marriage law applies to people 17 and over. In Washington state, the couple must be 18 to wed. However, Washington will recognize the marriage of two 17 year olds from Oregon who move there. This is not the case with Civil Unions. If someone has a Civil Union in Vermont, that union is not recognized in any other state. As a matter of fact, two states, Connecticut and Georgia, have ruled that they do not have to recognize civil unions performed in Vermont, because their states have no such legal category. As gay marriages become legal in other states, this status may change. (http://lesbianlife.about.com/cs/wedding/a/unionvmarriage.htm)

Same can be said RE: Domestic Partnerships; there doesn't seem to be a set definition or nationally recognized status.

(actually that was why i posted that lesbian link- it gave that argument)

[EliSnow]

But when it was first "introduced" it WAS a religious thing.

Maybe, but not Dan's religion.

And just because that's how it was once, doesn't mean that's how it should be now.

[timhorton]

Hey buddays...plenty of ghey today...not that there's anything wrong with that

[Freakshow]

I think 'stroke in a can' is actually the SPARKS tagline.



















I like SPARKS.

[KnoxHarrington]

"It's like Stroke in a Can."

:lol:

[timhorton]

If it is a religious issue, why do the states require a license? Fuck religion.

Says the Wicken High Preist.........:wink:

[MisterSmith]

Its is completely true that there isn't a set, national, legal definition of what a marriage is.

That's why I said isn't "quite" true. There might not be a set definition, but once you are married that marriage is valid everywhere in the US.

[Big Sexy Rex Ransom]

plus its gross. like drinking piss. dave is actually lower than gay

[Freakshow]

Archie?

[mongothetrucker]

I am a birth defect. its natures way of saying ok i fucked up this one, my Mother and Brother shouldn't breed. we except them like we except Republicans. is fez saying republican freaks should be able to marry?


Fixed that for ya.

[KnoxHarrington]

Hicks is such a dirtbag.

I love him.

:clap:

[SinA]

Someday we'll live in a world where people can eat both red AND green peppers.
http://images.inmagine.com/img/foodcollection/fdc004/fdc900499.jpg

[mongothetrucker]

Says the Wicken High Preist.........:wink:

exactly. We don't try to change anyone. :D

[Freakshow]

fried chicken, watermelon, and grape soda might be _my_ favorite meal.

[hexy68]

Hicks is such a dirtbag.

I love him.

:clap:

me too...but i think he has a drinking problem :drunk:

[Rube]

Maybe, but not Dan's religion.

And just because that's how it was once, doesn't mean that's how it should be now.
If I painted the same Mona Lisa but with a different smile could I petition to get the original Mona Lisa destroyed? I know it's not a great analogy, but I'm sure you get what I mean.

[Freakshow]

Someday we'll live in a world where people can eat both red AND green peppers.
http://images.inmagine.com/img/foodcollection/fdc004/fdc900499.jpg

you would be executed in New Mexico for suggesting that. Their offical state question is red or green...

[sailor]

how is fez racist if ron just pointed out he has a swahili name?

[EliSnow]

Many people don't seem to get that marriage is traditionally a religious thing, the fact that there are marriages by law even bothers me, because believe it or not the church/religion is a private club who is(. . . should be) very separate from government. Marriage is their little ritual so if they define it as a man marrying a woman etc then so be it. Gays should stop and try to look at it this way and see that this is why christians are scared; because they think that gays are trying to come and change the rules of their private club.

This is a bullshit argument.

It's hasn't been a religious thing for a long time. The government recognizes marriage without religious rituals, etc. That's what the gays want. Secular marriage, not religious.

No one is trying to tell the religion how to define marriage under their religion. Under the Catholic Church, a divorcee's marriage is not a marriage. They don't recognize it even if the government does.

If the US government's allowing divorced people to get married doesn't change the rules of their private club, neither would it if the US recognized gay marriages.

[Brian1973]

That's why I said isn't "quite" true. There might not be a set definition, but once you are married that marriage is valid everywhere in the US.

You said "The real argument is that there isn't a set, national, legal definition of what a Civil Union is."

I said this is true for "marriage" too. And it's completely true. If you can find the federal document that sets a legal definition for what a marriage is please post it.

[timhorton]

me too...but i think he has a drinking problem :drunk:

And everybody in Coolifornia is worried Ghey's might get some protein on their chin....

[DOHO@HOME]

Are you calling George Michael a hole?

sloppy party bottom?

[Big Sexy Rex Ransom]

hey thanks. sometimes i have a hard time putting my thoughts into words

[MisterSmith]

Bench 310 lbs? WTF Earl? The comparison to Superman is not literal budday. :laugh:

[Rube]

Someday we'll live in a world where people can eat both red AND green peppers.
http://images.inmagine.com/img/foodcollection/fdc004/fdc900499.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/15/18912948_8d74093adb.jpg
What about Yellow and Orange Peppers?
Your a racist!

[Freakshow]

how is fez racist if ron just pointed out he has a swahili name?

cause Fez is really a racist...

[EliSnow]

If I painted the same Mona Lisa but with a different smile could I petition to get the original Mona Lisa destroyed? I know it's not a great analogy, but I'm sure you get what I mean.

Not only is it not a great analogy, it's not even an accurate one.

If gay marriage is a Mona Lisa with a different smile, and straight marriage the original Mona Lisa, the proper analogy is that no one is asking to have the original destroyed. Both can exist at the same time.

A church can recognize whatever marriage it wants, and not the other marriages. No one is challenging that.

[Freakshow]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/15/18912948_8d74093adb.jpg
What about Yellow and Orange Peppers?
Your a racist!

you're a moose fucker!

[Big Sexy Rex Ransom]

favorite lipstick? magnum 44

[ralphbxny]

Gotta get paid!!

[DOHO@HOME]

http://blog.drjays.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/0314_richard_simmons_flynet.jpg

Wow that is just so wrong on a bunch of levels what a fuckin queen he is.:wallbash:

[brettmojo]

how is fez racist if ron just pointed out he has a swahili name?
All gays are racist.

[MisterSmith]

You said "The real argument is that there isn't a set, national, legal definition of what a Civil Union is."

I said this is true for "marriage" too. And it's completely true. If you can find the federal document that sets a legal definition for what a marriage is please post it.

Here you go. (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/1/7.html) From the Cornell University Law School online version of the US Code Collection.

[biggestmexi]

http://www.geekologie.com/2008/11/10/comfy-chair.jpg

[KnoxHarrington]

Not only is it not a great analogy, it's not even an accurate one.

If gay marriage is a Mona Lisa with a different smile, and straight marriage the original Mona Lisa, the proper analogy is that no one is asking to have the original destroyed. Both can exist at the same time.

A church can recognize whatever marriage it wants, and not the other marriages. No one is challenging that.

And, again, we have refined marriage over time. We've moved the age at which you can do it up. We've prohibited and then permitted it amongst people of different races. We've made divorce easier to get.

Marriage is not some sacred thing that's been set in stone forever.

[KingGeno]

Callers who hang up like that are SO silly.

[Rube]

Not only is it not a great analogy, it's not even an accurate one.

If gay marriage is a Mona Lisa with a different smile, and straight marriage the original Mona Lisa, the proper analogy is that no one is asking to have the original destroyed. Both can exist at the same time.

A church can recognize whatever marriage it wants, and not the other marriages. No one is challenging that. So mine should be hung right next to the original at the Louvre? I want the same rights that one gets.

[Freakshow]

that was the most generic list of answers i've ever heard. The only thing that wasn't going with the flow of mainstream america was the comic books answer.

[MisterSmith]

BTW, what was that website they mentioned about finding promo offers at bars?

[IamFogHat]

That Beanie is as nutty as a fruitcake.

[Rube]

you're a moose fucker! I was a lot younger then. Uncle Tommy took me out "Hunting". When he shot that moose, he showed me what you could do to the moose's nostril. It was warm, wet and fairly tight. Like I said, I was a lot younger then. I would NEVER do that now.

[ralphbxny]

BTW, what was that website they mentioned about finding promo offers at bars?

Myopenbar.com

[IamFogHat]

Slap me some skin, mah brotha.

[EliSnow]

So mine should be hung right next to the original at the Louvre? I want the same rights that one gets.

The Louvre is not a government, nor is the hanging of a painting a governmental right.

And as a private institution, the Louvre can recognize whatever art it wants and hang it. Just like the churches recognize whatever marriage it wants, and exclude others.

Which is what I've been saying all along.

Damn, you suck at making analogies.

[DOHO@HOME]

http://www.geekologie.com/2008/11/10/comfy-chair.jpg
looks like the best seat ever as long as your balls fit otherwise ouch:tongue:

[hammersavage]

Bottom line is gay marriage is a slippery slope.

What's next, people marrying their pets?

[Freakshow]

How did Fez every support George W. Bush in 2000 if he believes that strongly about gay marriage? I'm pretty sure Bush was as much for a constitutional amendment banning it as Fez seems to be against the California vote.

[sailor]

fez is incorrect. in new york the marriage license isn't valid until 24 hours after you obtain it.

[MisterSmith]

Myopenbar.com

Thank you Sir! Unfortunately they don't have listings for Philly, but I can send my cousin the link for LA.

[EliSnow]

How did Fez every support George W. Bush in 2000 if he believes that strongly about gay marriage? I'm pretty sure Bush was as much for a constitutional amendment banning it as Fez seems to be against the California vote.

I think it's solely the way he was raised. He considered himself a republican and voted republican no matter what.

[Freakshow]

churches should be just like business--they should have to exploit legislative loops holes to not pay any taxes just like other businesses, damn it!

[Dingbat_Charlie]

what if I like to jam my dick into a beehive?

slippery slope.

[hexy68]

what if I like to jam my dick into a beehive?


..looking for a Mod Quote?

[RhinoinMN]

what if I like to jam my dick into a beehive?

slippery slope.

Sure, but you could give O and A a weeks worth of material.

[KingGeno]

What if I wanna dick a female asian oil wrestler?

slippery slope

[ralphbxny]

Crazy Jen !!!

[Dingbat_Charlie]

..looking for a Mod Quote?

I thought about that after I saw it posted. no, but I guess it looks like a pretty obvious attempt.

[Brian1973]

You said "The real argument is that there isn't a set, national, legal definition of what a Civil Union is."

I said this is true for "marriage" too. And it's completely true. If you can find the federal document that sets a legal definition for what a marriage is please post it.

Here you go. (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/1/7.html) From the Cornell University Law School online version of the US Code Collection.


This code is used to determine the meaning of the word marriage with regards to "any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States." It does not set forth that each State must follow this definition.

[Baby DEW Year]

what if I like to jam my dick into a beehive?

slippery slope.

http://www.screenhead.com/~screenhe/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/header_beemovie.jpg

[Dingbat_Charlie]

seeya buddies.

[Rube]

The Louvre is not a government, nor is the hanging of a painting a governmental right.

And as a private institution, the Louvre can recognize whatever art it wants and hang it. Just like the churches recognize whatever marriage it wants, and exclude others.

Which is what I've been saying all along.

Damn, you suck at making analogies. Yah, but the Government protects there rights. So in a way they are controlled by the government. And what about the body of the Mother Mary being buried under the Louvre. You don't think the French Government has control of that? Every one knows that government is actually the church. The Pope controls the world.

[hexy68]

What if I wanna dick a female asian oil wrestler?


...it doesn't make you a bad person Geno!

[KingGeno]

later buddays :bye:

[drjoek]

Great Thread today RUBE!

[disneyspy]

alright buddays,nice bein back on the listenin thread wit chas,hope everybudday has a positive day

c'ya

[yojimbo7248]

And, again, we have refined marriage over time. We've moved the age at which you can do it up. We've prohibited and then permitted it amongst people of different races. We've made divorce easier to get.

Marriage is not some sacred thing that's been set in stone forever.

excellent points. the anti-gay marriage crowd is on the losing side of history. go back and read what was written about changing the laws allowing interracial marriages. southern whites were just as certain that God does not want blacks and whites to marry.

[EliSnow]

Yah, but the Government protects there rights. So in a way they are controlled by the government. And what about the body of the Mother Mary being buried under the Louvre. You don't think the French Government has control of that? Every one knows that government is actually the church. The Pope controls the world.

Whatever.

[hexy68]

good fun today...and the work day is almost over :thumbup: ...CYA!

[Rube]

Great Thread today RUBE!

Thanks a lot Dr Joe K. Your the bestest ever.

[ralphbxny]

C-ya!!

[Brian1973]

good fun today...and the work day is almost over :thumbup: ...CYA!

werd. cya!

[reillyluck]

nevermind...cya~!

[KatPw]

And what about the body of the Mother Mary being buried under the Louvre. You don't think the French Government has control of that? Every one knows that government is actually the church. The Pope controls the world.You read too much Dan Brown.

[PD]

damn work prevents me from adding in here enough.

simply, I agree with Eli.

as for the Louvre example, the Louvre would be the Catholic Church, and your "mona lisa" could hang in a greenwich village gallery (aka another religious institiution)

[Recyclerz]

what if I like to jam my dick into a beehive?


Sure, you get some additional girth, but it doesn't last. It's not worth it.

[Rube]

Whatever.
I DIDN'T MEAN TO ANGER YOU BUDDY. SORRY:down:
JUST THAT ALL THAT SERIOUS TALK GETS REALLY DRY AFTER A WHILE.:wacko:

[EliSnow]

I DIDN'T MEAN TO ANGER YOU BUDDY. SORRY:down:
JUST THAT ALL THAT SERIOUS TALK GETS REALLY DRY AFTER A WHILE.:wacko:

That's not me being angry. That's me being apathetic.

Me being angry is another thing altogether.

[Rube]

You read too much Dan Brown.My name's not Dan Brown.
It's Rube. Your silly. And yes I most likely read to much. Porn that is!:tongue:

[Rube]

That's not me being angry. That's me being apathetic.

Me being angry is another thing altogether.
I'll tell you this much Eli.....You put "the tic path" in apathetic.

[MisterSmith]

This code is used to determine the meaning of the word marriage with regards to "any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States." It does not set forth that each State must follow this definition.

But the fact that all states must recognize marriages legally obtained in another state is covered by the "Full Faith and Credit" clause of the United States Constitution in that states within the United States have to respect the public acts, records, and judicial rulings of other states.

***Edited: The FF&C Clause can be found in Article IV, Section 1 of the Constitution.

[ToiletCrusher]

I missed everything - the show - the board - the world..... guess I have to wait until 12-3 (am).

[Brian1973]

But the fact that all states must recognize marriages legally obtained in another state is covered by the "Full Faith and Credit" clause of the United States Constitution in that states within the United States have to respect the public acts, records, and judicial rulings of other states.

***Edited: The FF&C Clause can be found in Article IV, Section 1 of the Constitution.


Every state has the right to refuse to recognize a marriage performed in another state if that marriage would violate the state's public policy. The Supreme Court has recognized this exception to the FF&C clause for decades. Don't think for moment that I'm offering an opinion on the matter....I'm just stating that it is what it is.

[MisterSmith]

Every state has the right to refuse to recognize a marriage performed in another state if that marriage would violate the state's public policy. The Supreme Court has recognized this exception to the FF&C clause for decades. Don't think for moment that I'm offering an opinion on the matter....I'm just stating that it is what it is.

Of course there are exceptions, but the general rule is that a marriage in one state is legal no matter where you go. That's not an opinion either (and I'm not trying to be a smartass).

I probably could have worded my original point better, but it is a listening thread not a legal treatise. The point still stands that a legal marriage is generally recognized as binding and valid in all states (baring the few exceptions that may occur), but Civil Unions and Domestic Partnerships do not share the same status at this point. Just because you are legal in one state your status does not carry everywhere. That is a clear point of distinction.

[Brian1973]

Of course there are exceptions, but the general rule is that a marriage in one state is legal no matter where you go. That's not an opinion either (and I'm not trying to be a smartass).

I probably could have worded my original point better, but it is a listening thread not a legal treatise. The point still stands that a legal marriage is generally recognized as binding and valid in all states (baring the few exceptions that may occur), but Civil Unions and Domestic Partnerships do not share the same status at this point. Just because you are legal in one state your status does not carry everywhere. That is a clear point of distinction.



Which means there isn't a set, national, legal definition of what a marriage is.