Is the US finished?

[sr71blackbird]

Look at this short aricle (http://www.drudgereport.com/flashrur.htm) from a Russian economic analyst that is predicing that the current situation we are in will result in the collapse and a division of the US as we know it..
Discuss:

A leading Russian political analyst has said the economic turmoil in the United States has confirmed his long-held view that the country is heading for collapse, and will divide into separate parts.

Professor Igor Panarin said in an interview with the respected daily IZVESTIA published on Monday: "The dollar is not secured by anything. The country's foreign debt has grown like an avalanche, even though in the early 1980s there was no debt. By 1998, when I first made my prediction, it had exceeded $2 trillion. Now it is more than 11 trillion. This is a pyramid that can only collapse."

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/05/Federal_Radio_Commission_General_Order_40_Map.png

[TheMojoPin]

"Russian economist."

Talk about an oxymoron.

[Dougie Brootal]

yes.

[GreatAmericanZero]

Well...if a russian economist says it...



i hate our society of fear

[Hottub]

I'd be more impressed by a study from a Chinese Economist.:wallbash:

[Dougie Brootal]

im still waiting for Chinese Democracy

[epo]

If this shithouse goes down....we in region 4 are stealing the upper peninsula of Michigan from region 2 as our dump...and there ain't a damned thing they are gonna do about it.

[Fez4PrezN2008]

Yea ! I am finally in a BLUE state !

[Doogie]

So does this mean the Marlins would need a passport to play the Cubs?? Yankees a passport to play the Angels and so forth...

[Fez4PrezN2008]

Does this mean that we can have different mods for each territory too? If so I vote RhinoMN for area 5 (Hayseedministan)

and Westley as vice mod, as long as there are term limits.

[Farmer Dave]

I'm not reading it because as we all know, reading is for queers. I must say, I don't mind the way things are broken up if we get Missouri out of zone 4. I'd be willing to throw in Kansas to boot.

[Farmer Dave]

If this shithouse goes down....we in region 4 are stealing the upper peninsula of Michigan from region 2 as our dump...and there ain't a damned thing they are gonna do about it.

Why don't you just take that fuckin' U.P. any way? Invade that sliver of shit. That or blow it clean off your state and let it drift to Canada or sink.

[Fez4PrezN2008]

I'm not reading it because as we all know, reading is for queers. I must say, I don't mind the way things are broken up if we and get Missouri out of zone 4. I'd be willing to throw in Kansas to boot.
Hella yes ! Zone 6 people ! Fez4PrezN2008forPrezNZone6N2009 !

[Sinestro]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/05/Federal_Radio_Commission_General_Order_40_Map.png

So Hawaii and Alaska aren't affected?? or have they already seceded?

[DarkHippie]

So Hawaii and Alaska aren't affected?? or have they already seceded?

They should've remmebered alaska considering that its right next door to them

[Fez4PrezN2008]

They should've remmebered alaska considering that its right next door to them
They saw Palin from THEIR front poarch and decided to leave it to the Inuits.

[K.C.]

Hm.

Interesting.

Where was this posted again?


http://barbadosfreepress.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/matt-drudge-barbados.jpg


Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

[HBox]

http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/3/3a/YakovSmirnoff.jpg

"In Soviet Russia, we break up you!"

[jauble]

http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/3/3a/YakovSmirnoff.jpg

"In Soviet Russia, we break up you!"

I was thinking that perhaps in Soviet Russia economy predicts you.

[scottinnj]

Silly Russians and their vodka-induced "epiphanys"

[KnoxHarrington]

This douche better worry about his own fucking country. A totally corrupt system that is completely held up by expensive oil, which is over (at least for now). Talk about a nation sliding into irrelevance...

[Sloppy2nds]

Has anyone seen this:

http://mobile2.wsj.com/device/article.php?CALL_URL=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html?

As if Things Weren't Bad Enough, Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S.
In Moscow, Igor Panarin's Forecasts Are All the Rage; America 'Disintegrates' in 2010
*
*By ANDREW OSBORN
MOSCOW -- For a decade, Russian academic Igor Panarin has been predicting the U.S. will fall apart in 2010. For most of that time, he admits, few took his argument -- that an economic and moral collapse will trigger a civil war and the eventual breakup of the U.S. -- very seriously. Now he's found an eager audience: Russian state media.



In recent weeks, he's been interviewed as much as twice a day about his predictions. "It's a record," says Prof. Panarin. "But I think the attention is going to grow even stronger."
Prof. Panarin, 50 years old, is not a fringe figure. A former KGB analyst, he is dean of the Russian Foreign Ministry's academy for future diplomats. He is invited to Kremlin receptions, lectures students, publishes books, and appears in the media as an expert on U.S.-Russia relations.
But it's his bleak forecast for the U.S. that is music to the ears of the Kremlin, which in recent years has blamed Washington for everything from instability in the Middle East to the global financial crisis. Mr. Panarin's views also fit neatly with the Kremlin's narrative that Russia is returning to its rightful place on the world stage after the weakness of the 1990s, when many feared that the country would go economically and politically bankrupt and break into separate territories.
A polite and cheerful man with a buzz cut, Mr. Panarin insists he does not dislike Americans. But he warns that the outlook for them is dire.
"There's a 55-45% chance right now that disintegration will occur," he says. "One could rejoice in that process," he adds, poker-faced. "But if we're talking reasonably, it's not the best scenario -- for Russia." Though Russia would become more powerful on the global stage, he says, its economy would suffer because it currently depends heavily on the dollar and on trade with the U.S.
Mr. Panarin posits, in brief, that mass immigration, economic decline, and moral degradation will trigger a civil war next fall and the collapse of the dollar. Around the end of June 2010, or early July, he says, the U.S. will break into six pieces -- with Alaska reverting to Russian control.
In addition to increasing coverage in state media, which are tightly controlled by the Kremlin, Mr. Panarin's ideas are now being widely discussed among local experts. He presented his theory at a recent roundtable discussion at the Foreign Ministry. The country's top international relations school has hosted him as a keynote speaker. During an appearance on the state TV channel Rossiya, the station cut between his comments and TV footage of lines at soup kitchens and crowds of homeless people in the U.S. The professor has also been featured on the Kremlin's English-language propaganda channel, Russia Today.
Mr. Panarin's apocalyptic vision "reflects a very pronounced degree of anti-Americanism in Russia today," says Vladimir Pozner, a prominent TV journalist in Russia. "It's much stronger than it was in the Soviet Union."
Mr. Pozner and other Russian commentators and experts on the U.S. dismiss Mr. Panarin's predictions. "Crazy ideas are not usually discussed by serious people," says Sergei Rogov, director of the government-run Institute for U.S. and Canadian Studies, who thinks Mr. Panarin's theories don't hold water.
Mr. Panarin's résumé includes many years in the Soviet KGB, an experience shared by other top Russian officials. His office, in downtown Moscow, shows his national pride, with pennants on the wall bearing the emblem of the FSB, the KGB's successor agency. It is also full of statuettes of eagles; a double-headed eagle was the symbol of czarist Russia.
The professor says he began his career in the KGB in 1976. In post-Soviet Russia, he got a doctorate in political science, studied U.S. economics, and worked for FAPSI, then the Russian equivalent of the U.S. National Security Agency. He says he did strategy forecasts for then-President Boris Yeltsin, adding that the details are "classified."
In September 1998, he attended a conference in Linz, Austria, devoted to information warfare, the use of data to get an edge over a rival. It was there, in front of 400 fellow delegates, that he first presented his theory about the collapse of the U.S. in 2010.
"When I pushed the button on my computer and the map of the United States disintegrated, hundreds of people cried out in surprise," he remembers. He says most in the audience were skeptical. "They didn't believe me."
At the end of the presentation, he says many delegates asked him to autograph copies of the map showing a dismembered U.S.
He based the forecast on classified data supplied to him by FAPSI analysts, he says. He predicts that economic, financial and demographic trends will provoke a political and social crisis in the U.S. When the going gets tough, he says, wealthier states will withhold funds from the federal government and effectively secede from the union. Social unrest up to and including a civil war will follow. The U.S. will then split along ethnic lines, and foreign powers will move in.
California will form the nucleus of what he calls "The Californian Republic," and will be part of China or under Chinese influence. Texas will be the heart of "The Texas Republic," a cluster of states that will go to Mexico or fall under Mexican influence. Washington, D.C., and New York will be part of an "Atlantic America" that may join the European Union. Canada will grab a group of Northern states Prof. Panarin calls "The Central North American Republic." Hawaii, he suggests, will be a protectorate of Japan or China, and Alaska will be subsumed into Russia.
"It would be reasonable for Russia to lay claim to Alaska; it was part of the Russian Empire for a long time." A framed satellite image of the Bering Strait that separates Alaska from Russia like a thread hangs from his office wall. "It's not there for no reason," he says with a sly grin.
Interest in his forecast revived this fall when he published an article in Izvestia, one of Russia's biggest national dailies. In it, he reiterated his theory, called U.S. foreign debt "a pyramid scheme," and predicted China and Russia would usurp Washington's role as a global financial regulator.
Americans hope President-elect Barack Obama "can work miracles," he wrote. "But when spring comes, it will be clear that there are no miracles."
The article prompted a question about the White House's reaction to Prof. Panarin's forecast at a December news conference. "I'll have to decline to comment," spokeswoman Dana Perino said amid much laughter.
For Prof. Panarin, Ms. Perino's response was significant. "The way the answer was phrased was an indication that my views are being listened to very carefully," he says.
The professor says he's convinced that people are taking his theory more seriously. People like him have forecast similar cataclysms before, he says, and been right. He cites French political scientist Emmanuel Todd. Mr. Todd is famous for having rightly forecast the demise of the Soviet Union -- 15 years beforehand. "When he forecast the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1976, people laughed at him," says Prof. Panarin.

[midwestjeff]

In my country, the websites link to you.

[toolshed]

In my country, the websites link to you.

:lol:

[skyscraper]

meh, easy come, easy go.

[patsopinion]

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[Contra]

We're too lazy for a civil war

[Foster]

We're too lazy for a civil war

true, we would hire migrant workers to fight it for us

[patsopinion]

We're too lazy for a civil war

yea he greatly underestimates the might of american apathy

but seeing as how it might now coincide with the death of now beloved president who divided this country by the mason dixon line, it may not be crazy crazy


who wants the south anyway?


the question would then become how many different countries would we splinter into?
why would california need to be part of the east coast? i mean look how far away those assholes are

and i wouldnt want to be part of a coutnry with arizona, or even nevada
so california, oregon and washington its own
west virginia down over to new mexico its own country, florida its own country,
and maine to ilinois its own
the stuff in the western middle its own

i would let central california go but those assholes shit head redneck fuck tards have all the food, so i guess ill let them stay

[KingModem]

Dont listen. The Russians just hate our freedom.

[midwestjeff]

Dont listen. The Russians just hate our freedom.

Nevermind.

What I posted here was retarded.
I will move it to the place where bad jokes go to die.

[Contra]

They hate everything but vodka

[KingModem]

They hate everything but vodka

And Ivan Draggo.

[SP1!]

Yeah just like they were predicting our fall since the 50s and 60s, we were on a spiral down social depravity and doomed to failure.

What nations are just starting to realize is that their economy is tied to ours whether they like to admit it or not, if we go down most of the world is hurt for decades to come.

[Furtherman]

yea he greatly underestimates the might of american apathy

but seeing as how it might now coincide with the death of now beloved president who divided this country by the mason dixon line, it may not be crazy crazy


who wants the south anyway?


the question would then become how many different countries would we splinter into?
why would california need to be part of the east coast? i mean look how far away those assholes are

and i wouldnt want to be part of a coutnry with arizona, or even nevada
so california, oregon and washington its own
west virginia down over to new mexico its own country, florida its own country,
and maine to ilinois its own
the stuff in the western middle its own

i would let central california go but those assholes shit head redneck fuck tards have all the food, so i guess ill let them stay

Based on this nonsense, can you just secede from the Union? Please?

[Sloppy2nds]

I'd love to hear Bill Burr's take on this.

[TheMojoPin]

Based on this nonsense, can you just secede from the Union? Please?

A revolution everyone can and should get behind.

[KingModem]

Ill trade you Wisconsin for Delaware. I fuckin' love Delaware.

[booster11373]

More countries equal more places to spread democracy

[ToiletCrusher]

Why does PA get lumped with the other red states on the map and the Northeast gets stuck with most of maryland and delaware?

[cougarjake13]

They should've remmebered alaska considering that its right next door to them

he says in the last line that russia could take it back since they only loaned it to us

[Syd]

Why does PA get lumped with the other red states on the map and the Northeast gets stuck with most of maryland and delaware?

Maryland is more similar to New England than Pennsylvania. Who knows why Delaware is there, the dude was probably high as fuck on PCP or something when he made the map since it makes no sense.

[Zorro]

Well considering we have an economy that rivals any Banana Republic the guy might not be far off

[WRESTLINGFAN]

"Russian economist."

Talk about an oxymoron.

What if a Jewish Carpenter makes his return?

[Snoogans]

Look at this short aricle (http://www.drudgereport.com/flashrur.htm) from a Russian economic analyst that is predicing that the current situation we are in will result in the collapse and a division of the US as we know it..
Discuss:



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/05/Federal_Radio_Commission_General_Order_40_Map.png

what does it mean if im in the yellow section? Dominance?

[scottinnj]

what does it mean if im in the yellow section? Dominance?

No. Lots of Monster Rain.

[epo]

Ill trade you Wisconsin for Delaware. I fuckin' love Delaware.

I hate you and all of your lakes.

[conman823]

Hey we have "Reality Television" there will be no uprising in this country unless The Hills starts it!!

[conman823]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/05/Federal_Radio_Commission_General_Order_40_Map.png

All of a sudden I want to play Risk.

[LordJezo]

http://www.infowars.com/russian-professor-collapse-of-america-could-begin-in-two-months/

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2535/010909top2.jpg

Well, it was good while it lasted but the USA is done for. Just about confirmed at this point, the Amero is coming and the USA will be dissolved.

[EliSnow]

http://www.infowars.com/russian-professor-collapse-of-america-could-begin-in-two-months/

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2535/010909top2.jpg

Well, it was good while it lasted but the USA is done for. Just about confirmed at this point, the Amero is coming and the USA will be dissolved.

Duplicate thread. That russian professor said that months ago, and someone did a thread about it.

[IMSlacker]

Did EliSnow just quote the spammer?

[epo]

http://www.infowars.com/russian-professor-collapse-of-america-could-begin-in-two-months/

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2535/010909top2.jpg

Well, it was good while it lasted but the USA is done for. Just about confirmed at this point, the Amero is coming and the USA will be dissolved.

I've already proposed that Lord Jezo, his family and their possessions be turned over to the French government.

I'm trying to get it into the health care bill as my personal earmark.

[sailor]

http://www.infowars.com/russian-professor-collapse-of-america-could-begin-in-two-months/

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2535/010909top2.jpg

Well, it was good while it lasted but the USA is done for. Just about confirmed at this point, the Amero is coming and the USA will be dissolved.

reminds me of fortress america:

http://www.alanemrich.com/PGD/Art/Fortress_America1.jpg

[dino_electropolis]

Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will.
I sure could use a vacation from this

Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of
Freaks

Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call LA
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any fucking time. Any fucking day.
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona bay.

Fret for your figure and
Fret for your latte and
Fret for your lawsuit and
Fret for your hairpiece and
Fret for your prozac and
Fret for your pilot and
Fret for your contract and
Fret for your car.

It's a
Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of
Freaks

Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call LA
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any fucking time. Any fucking day.
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona bay.

Some say a comet will fall from the sky.
Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still.
Followed by millions of dumbfounded dipshits.

Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will cuz
I sure could use a vacation from this

Stupid shit, silly shit, stupid shit...

One great big festering neon distraction,
I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied.

Learn to swim.
Learn to swim.
Learn to swim.

Mom is going to fix it all soon,
Mom is coming round to put it back
The way it oughtta be...

Learn to swim.

Fuck L Ron Hubbard and
Fuck all his clones.
Fuck all these gun-toting
Hip gangster wannabes.

Learn to swim.

Fuck retro anything.
Fuck your tattoos.
Fuck all you junkies and
Fuck your short memory.

Learn to swim.

Fuck smiley glad-hands
With hidden agendas.
Fuck these dysfunctional,
Insecure actresses.

Learn to swim.

Cuz I'm praying for rain
And I'm praying for tidal waves
I wanna see the ground give way.
I wanna watch it all go down.
Mom please flush it all away.
I wanna see it go right in and down.
I wanna watch it go right in.
Watch you flush it all away.

Time to bring it down again.
Don't just call me pessimist.
Try and read between the lines.

I can't imagine why you wouldn't
Welcome any change, my friend.

I wanna see it all come down.
Suck it down.
Flush it down.

[HBox]

reminds me of fortress america:

http://www.alanemrich.com/PGD/Art/Fortress_America1.jpg

Reminds me of Shattered Union:

http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2005/299/reviews/928046_20051027_screen001.jpg

That game fucking ruled.

[TheMojoPin]

reminds me of fortress america:

http://www.alanemrich.com/PGD/Art/Fortress_America1.jpg

Goddamn, I loved that game.

[earthbrown]

LOCK AND LOAD!!!

I have my guns and a few thousand rounds, BRING ON THE MARSHALL LAW!!!!


K

[angrymissy]

Yeah! I can't wait until MARSHALL rules us all!

[LordJezo]

Yeah! I can't wait until MARSHALL rules us all!

Already going to effect in New England:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=108604

[A.J.]

LOCK AND LOAD!!!

I have my guns and a few thousand rounds, BRING ON THE MARSHALL LAW!!!!

Yeah! I can't wait until MARSHALL rules us all!

"MARSHALL, MARSHALL, MARSHALL!"

http://themilehighsalute.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/jan_brady.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

LOCK AND LOAD!!!

I have my guns and a few thousand rounds

Please see how many you can eat.

[TheMojoPin]

Already going to effect in New England:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=108604

Dammit, I don't have a crisis garden!

[earthbrown]

Please see how many you can eat.


well the firearms can be used to hunt and protect the 100 acre farm that my family owns.

Shit hits the fan, I pack the car up and drive 1hr to the farm. There is also a gunstore in my family, so the place would be well stocked to say the least.

My family and I would survive quite well after a complete economic collapse, see we have learned real skills coming to adulthood. We can farm, do mechanical repairs, electronic repairs, construction, etc....see you city folk would be lost without the supermarket.

K

[TheMojoPin]

Nobody gives a shit because the rest of us are busy not living insane, paranoid lives over crap that's not going to happen.

You might as well claim you're preparing for a zombie plague because it's probably more likely than the ridiculous doomsday survival scenario you're getting a boner over.

[mikeyboy]

I am so not prepared for a zombie plague.

[Aggie]

Dammit, I don't have a crisis garden!

Me either! Obama's trying to keep it from us! Damn him.

[TheMojoPin]

Me either! Obama's trying to keep it from us! Damn him.

I'm surprised the survivalists would be so stupid as to have giant crisis gardens. Everybody knows the UN's black helicopters will just buzz them with herbicides, d'uh.

[earthbrown]

Nobody gives a shit because the rest of us are busy not living insane, paranoid lives over crap that's not going to happen.

You might as well claim you're preparing for a zombie plague because it's probably more likely than the ridiculous doomsday survival scenario you're getting a boner over.

not getting a boner over anything, I dont expect this to ever happen, however if it did, I know I would be fine, my family would not starve.

I just use firearms to compensate for the really small penis my asian father gave me.


K

[TheMojoPin]

not getting a boner over anything, I dont expect this to ever happen, however if it did, I know I would be fine, my family would not starve.

If anything along these lines happened, you'd still end up prematurely dead.

[LordJezo]

not getting a boner over anything, I dont expect this to ever happen, however if it did, I know I would be fine, my family would not starve.

I just use firearms to compensate for the really small penis my asian father gave me.


K

Bullshit, and you know it. I have thought about this for a long time, unless you have an entire army on your side there is no way you will be safe. When the end comes I am packing up my guns and heading to other people I know who own more guns, but none of it will matter, there will be bigger groups out there with more weapons and more members and will be able to beat us back. I am sure there will also be splinter factions of the military who will form roving gangs of people equipped with fully automatic war grade weapons, even though you think you'll be able to defend your farm but being that other people know it's a place where they can get food they wont let you keep it. The hunger pains of living in a wasteland will turn people into animals and insane jealousy will drive them to destroy you and your family so they can have the farm and the food to themselves.

It's hopeless for all of us unless we organize into huge groups.

[earthbrown]

Bullshit, and you know it. I have thought about this for a long time, unless you have an entire army on your side there is no way you will be safe. When the end comes I am packing up my guns and heading to other people I know who own more guns, but none of it will matter, there will be bigger groups out there with more weapons and more members and will be able to beat us back. I am sure there will also be splinter factions of the military who will form roving gangs of people equipped with fully automatic war grade weapons, even though you think you'll be able to defend your farm but being that other people know it's a place where they can get food they wont let you keep it. The hunger pains of living in a wasteland will turn people into animals and insane jealousy will drive them to destroy you and your family so they can have the farm and the food to themselves.

It's hopeless for all of us unless we organize into huge groups.

Yes, it will have to be a local militia sort of situation...and yes, there will always be larger groups....People with skills are still better off than a salesman or a customer service person, you will need a trade and skill.


K

[Aggie]

I am so not prepared for a zombie plague.

They are already peparing hot chicks for me to post in the new zombie world...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3116/2903971352_999a891295_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3255/2903972512_27ec8726a2_o.jpg

[Furtherman]

Someone help me move these elliptical machines up against the door!

[Crossweird]

Someone help me move these elliptical machines up against the door!

Good idea. Zombies hate exercise.

[west milly Tom]

Exactly

[EliSnow]

Jezo, did you get this panicked when Baghdad Bob said the US would surrender in its war with Iraq?

http://writingcompany.blogs.com/this_isnt_writing_its_typ/images/baghdad_bob_1.jpg

[shittles]

We Americans who are loyal to the Constitution are already forming the resistance to socialist America. Our America is lost for the moment but we will get it back when Americans understand how they threw away freedom in return for a mommy welfare weak-ass all controlling government.

[Syd]

Your America (or at least your board characters America) only lasted 15 years until everyone realized how untenable it was.

However, there's still some truth to what the guy is talking about. America no longer manufactured anything -- it basically has a bunch of people delivering pizzas to each other. Thanks to hardliners on the right and their corporate masters, class mobility has been largely eliminated so there is very little chance of anyone being added to the middle class. Without the ability for any money to be generated by production of durable goods the country is in a long, slow decline till there's no middle class left.

The American empire has already fallen, now its time to enjoy the sunset of the country. Granted the middle class is just large enough to keep the state functioning for another 2 or 3 decades before energy prices and water scarcity finish off what Reagan couldn't.

[LordJezo]

Yes, it will have to be a local militia sort of situation...and yes, there will always be larger groups....People with skills are still better off than a salesman or a customer service person, you will need a trade and skill.


K

People with bigger guns are better off than people will skills, the ones with the weapons will enslave those with the skills.

[shittles]

Power comes from the barrel of a gun. It has always been and will continue to be true

[A.J.]

Power comes from the barrel of a gun. It has always been and will continue to be true

"Stupid. People behaving that way...with guns."

http://filmwad.com/fw_images/godfather/2.jpg

[furie]

reminds me of fortress america:

http://www.alanemrich.com/PGD/Art/Fortress_America1.jpg


i loved that game.
from the makers of axis and allies

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via FoxyTunes (http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/)

[cougarjake13]

im just curious why china gets the west coast

[sailor]

Goddamn, I loved that game.


i loved that game.
from the makers of axis and allies


yeah, i preferred axis or shogun (now, samurai swords, yech) to it, but it was a lot of fun.

http://www.gateplay.com/images/products/display/Shogun_board_game_d.gif

[sr71blackbird]

Almost no one will admit it, but immigrants coming in are going to impact us so significantly within the next 10 - 15 years by reproduction that within 20 years from now, we will be nothing like what we are now. Spanish will be the primary language, and we will be more socialist that we are now. Not communist, but socialist. We are done though. There is really nothing we can do to stop it that would be allowed by the rest of the world, but if we really wanted to, we would have to purge a great many people out of here, and no war, disease or certainly no political decision can change it. The best hope is a massive Yellowstone volcanic eruption or an asteroid impact. But thats not gonna happen soon enough. We are fucked.

[Syd]

English will remain lingua franca for quite some time -- there's little incentive for it to change as such. It's the most effective business language now and the only thing that has a chance of replacing it is an artificial language like Esperanto.

[GregoryJoseph]

I don't know if the country itself is "finished" but the original concepts it was founded under certainly are.

[TheMojoPin]

What a silly thing to say.

[epo]

I don't know if the country itself is "finished" but the original concepts it was founded under certainly are.

You are politically and historically illiterate.

[TheMojoPin]

I can only assume the entirety of Gvac's knowledge of the founding of this country comes from the musical 1776.

[GregoryJoseph]

"There are none so blind..."

To even hint that the U.S. of today even remotely resembles the blueprint the founding fathers laid out is preposterous.

Deny it all you want to satisfy the party line, but it's true.

[RhinoinMN]

I can only assume the entirety of Gvac's knowledge of the founding of this country comes from the musical 1776.

Gays watch musicals.

[epo]

Look, its how Gvac learned economics!

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[epo]

Gays watch musicals.

I've never held Gvac's lifestyle choices against him, just his lack of critical thinking skills.

Also, those disgusting mitts of his. Just hideous...

[TheMojoPin]

"There are none so blind..."

To even hint that the U.S. of today even remotely resembles the blueprint the founding fathers laid out is preposterous.

Deny it all you want to satisfy the party line, but it's true.

Yes, because the "blueprint" they laid out was intended to be absolute, finite and static.

Oh, wait, no, their intentions were exactly the opposite of that.

[spoon]

yeah, i preferred axis or shogun (now, samurai swords, yech) to it, but it was a lot of fun.

http://www.gateplay.com/images/products/display/Shogun_board_game_d.gif

Same here, but my game looked a little different.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/235/457809678_f008eebd9c.jpg?v=0

[epo]

Who would listen to the Founding Fathers anyways? What a bunch of douches.

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[spoon]

You can't deny that an overall world economy would influence any plans they had and surely would have to adjust. Hence Mojo's point is clearly valid when looking at the plans of our founding fathers.

[GregoryJoseph]

his lack of critical thinking skills.


Au contraire, mon ami!

I am not beholden to either of the major political parties in this country, and thus I can look, think, judge, and speak freely and critically.

No one provides me with talking points or tells me what to think.

[yojimbo7248]

You are politically and historically illiterate.

OK, I've had it with sloppy thinking about what the Founding Fathers intended for this country. Christians are the worst. Shut up with that "Founding Fathers intended this to be a Christian nation" bullshit.

The Founding Fathers set up a system that would evolve over time with amendments and Supreme Court interpretations of the Constitution.

I'm no expert but I don't trust someone just because he says "Our country isn't what the Founding Fathers intended". I was facts, footnotes, decent sourcing. I do know that the FF were smart enough that they knew the world would change and the government would need to evolve. I don't think they had a rigid, narrow view of future US politics as long as it stuck to Constitution and its amendments.

[TheMojoPin]

You can't deny that an overall world economy would influence any plans they had and surely would have to adjust. Hence Mojo's point is clearly valid when looking at the plans of our founding fathers.

Especially since those fellas were no dummies and were heavily involved in international trade at the time. Obviously they couldn't predict the future but they would have had to have been dolts to not forsee some version of the global economy we've seen arise in the last 200+ years. Shit, most of them probably slept with a copy of The Wealth of Nations under their pillow.

[epo]

Au contraire, mon ami!

I am not beholden to either of the major political parties in this country, and thus I can look, think, judge, and speak freely and critically.

No one provides me with talking points or tells me what to think.

And that tripe is nothing more than a "I'm against the MAN" cliche. Thanks for proving the point!

[TheMojoPin]

OK, I've had it with sloppy thinking about what the Founding Fathers intended for this country. Christians are the worst. Shut up with that "Founding Fathers intended this to be a Christian nation" bullshit.

The Founding Fathers set up a system that would evolve over time with amendments and Supreme Court interpretations of the Constitution.

I'm no expert but I don't trust someone just because he says "Our country isn't what the Founding Fathers intended". I was facts, footnotes, decent sourcing. I do know that the FF were smart enough that they knew the world would change and the government would need to evolve. I don't think they had a rigid, narrow view of future US politics as long as it stuck to Constitution and its amendments.

Try explaining to many of those people that the Constitution was intentionally written to be a relatively vague and flexible document.

By the time you get to the purposefully "implied" parts their heads are exploding.

[GregoryJoseph]

OK, I've had it with sloppy thinking about what the Founding Fathers intended for this country. Christians are the worst. Shut up with that "Founding Fathers intended this to be a Christian nation" bullshit.

The Founding Fathers set up a system that would evolve over time with amendments and Supreme Court interpretations of the Constitution.

I'm no expert but I don't trust someone just because he says "Our country isn't what the Founding Fathers intended". I was facts, footnotes, decent sourcing. I do know that the FF were smart enough that they knew the world would change and the government would need to evolve. I don't think they had a rigid, narrow view of future US politics as long as it stuck to Constitution and its amendments.

I NEVER implied that the Founders of this Nation intended for it to stagnate. They were men of tremendous foresight.

OF COURSE they knew it would change and evolve.

The basic underlying concept of unabashed freedom for its citizens coupled with extremely limited government were NOT meant to be compromised, however.

[TheMojoPin]

The basic underlying concept of unabashed freedom for its citizens coupled with extremely limited government were NOT meant to be compromised, however.

...

Are you just completely ignoring the Federalists to declare this?

[spoon]

Au contraire, mon ami!

I am not beholden to either of the major political parties in this country, and thus I can look, think, judge, and speak freely and critically.

No one provides me with talking points or tells me what to think.

Now tell him to fuck off.

[yojimbo7248]

The basic underlying concept of unabashed freedom for its citizens coupled with extremely limited government were NOT meant to be compromised, however.

I'm no expert on the debate the Founders had over size of government but I don't think they were as united in insisting the US has an extremely limited government as you suggest. What are you basing your opinion on?

[ToiletCrusher]

probably.

[TheMojoPin]

I'm no expert on the debate the Founders had over size of government but I don't think they were as united in insisting the US has an extremely limited government as you suggest. What are you basing your opinion on?

That the Federalist Papers and the Massachusetts Compromise never existed.

[EliSnow]

...

Are you just completely ignoring the Federalists to declare this?

Yes, he is. He forgets that there was a big schism at the time between the Federalists on one hand, and the States Rights group on the other.

[TheMojoPin]

"Forgets" means he was even aware in the first place.

[GregoryJoseph]

Trust me; I am well versed on the Federalist Papers. I have urged every American to read them for years now.

The Constitution (and Bill Of Rights) that was ratified, however, is the document I am speaking of.

The Bill of Rights was put in there solely because some states felt the Constitution didn't go FAR ENOUGH in limiting the power of the Federal Government.

[EliSnow]

Trust me; I am well versed on the Federalist Papers. I have urged every American to read them for years now.

The Constitution (and Bill Of Rights) that was ratified, however, is the document I am speaking of.

The Bill of Rights was put in there solely because some states felt the Constitution didn't go FAR ENOUGH in limiting the power of the Federal Government.

Yes, but the "Founding Fathers" were pressured into adding those rights by those states you mention.

Earlier you referenced the Founding Fathers' desire/plan for a limited government as if they all had the same plan/desire. The very fact that the Bill of Rights weren't in the original Constitution and had to be amendments disproves that general statement.

[EliSnow]

"Forgets" means he was even aware in the first place.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt.

[TheMojoPin]

Yes, that was a compromise on the part of Madison, a staunch Federalist. The Constitution was still expressly designed to allow and enhance federal powers and ability. To say that "the basic underlying concept of unabashed freedom for its citizens coupled with extremely limited government" was the driving force or a consensus amongst the Founding Fathers or even that it dictated how the Constitution was written simply is not correct at all. That idea was certainly held by some and strongly influenced and shaped some of the final language of the documents, but you're completely ignoring the influence of the Federalists and how the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are inherrently Federalist documents.

[Furtherman]

Ben Franklin loooooooved hookers.

[spoon]

Ben Franklin loooooooved hookers.

Well he sure is a playa! God I love H Jon Benjamin.....Franklin. John Oliver & D Martin are pretty solid too.



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[earthbrown]

OK, I've had it with sloppy thinking about what the Founding Fathers intended for this country. Christians are the worst. Shut up with that "Founding Fathers intended this to be a Christian nation" bullshit.

The Founding Fathers set up a system that would evolve over time with amendments and Supreme Court interpretations of the Constitution.

I'm no expert but I don't trust someone just because he says "Our country isn't what the Founding Fathers intended". I was facts, footnotes, decent sourcing. I do know that the FF were smart enough that they knew the world would change and the government would need to evolve. I don't think they had a rigid, narrow view of future US politics as long as it stuck to Constitution and its amendments.

founding fathers for better or worse started this country based on Judeo-christian principles.



Try explaining to many of those people that the Constitution was intentionally written to be a relatively vague and flexible document.

By the time you get to the purposefully "implied" parts their heads are exploding.

I will agree the constitution is a "living document", BUT the bill of rights should STAND as written and intended.

* First Amendment – Establishment Clause, Free Exercise Clause; freedom of speech, of the press, Freedom of Religion, and of assembly; right to petition,

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

* Second Amendment – Militia (United States), Sovereign state, Right to keep and bear arms.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. [5][6]

* Third Amendment – Protection from quartering of troops.

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

* Fourth Amendment – Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

* Fifth Amendment – due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, eminent domain.

No person shall be held to answer for any capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

* Sixth Amendment – Trial by jury and rights of the accused; Confrontation Clause, speedy trial, public trial, right to counsel

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

* Seventh Amendment – Civil trial by jury.

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

* Eighth Amendment – Prohibition of excessive bail and cruel and unusual punishment.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

* Ninth Amendment – Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

* Tenth Amendment – Powers of States and people.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

K

[EliSnow]

I will agree the constitution is a "living document", BUT the bill of rights should STAND as written and intended.

* First Amendment – Establishment Clause, Free Exercise Clause; freedom of speech, of the press, Freedom of Religion, and of assembly; right to petition,

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

* Second Amendment – Militia (United States), Sovereign state, Right to keep and bear arms.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. [5][6]

* Third Amendment – Protection from quartering of troops.

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

* Fourth Amendment – Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

* Fifth Amendment – due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, eminent domain.

No person shall be held to answer for any capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

* Sixth Amendment – Trial by jury and rights of the accused; Confrontation Clause, speedy trial, public trial, right to counsel

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

* Seventh Amendment – Civil trial by jury.

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

* Eighth Amendment – Prohibition of excessive bail and cruel and unusual punishment.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

* Ninth Amendment – Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

* Tenth Amendment – Powers of States and people.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

K

You act as if all of the above is clear and simple as to what was written and intended. Yes, the "Founding Fathers" established the freedom of speech but then soon thereafter they passed the Sedition Act and saw no contradiction. Almost all of the above are general principles that we should adhere to, but there is a lot of room for ambiguity on both sides for each of the above.

[booster11373]

founding fathers for better or worse started this country based on Judeo-christian principles.







That is not true at all

[DolaMight]

http://www.infowars.com/images/banners/335x205-ammo-03b.gif

poor kids, starvin for ammo. give the kids some ammo... cmon!!! what's wrong with you... for the love of god give the poor kids some ammo....

let em sleep in your bed, cmon... they're good kids...

[underdog]

I wish George Washington was still around.

[epo]

I wish George Washington was still around.

Gvac would have wood because of the man's gams.

[EliSnow]

Gvac would have wood because of the man's gams.

But would he like Washington because he imposed a term limit on himself or dislike him for abandoning leadership of the country?

[earthbrown]

http://www.infowars.com/images/banners/335x205-ammo-03b.gif

poor kids, starvin for ammo. give the kids some ammo... cmon!!! what's wrong with you... for the love of god give the poor kids some ammo....

let em sleep in your bed, cmon... they're good kids...

my uncle has owned a gun store for 20 years(been in the family 60 years), this last year has been the best on record EVER.

He has sold more rifles, shotguns, pistols, and ammo than ever, people are simply stocking up. I personally own 3000 rounds of 7.62 X39 ammo, bought it 2 years ago at $100 a case now up to $300 a case.

K

[Furtherman]

That is not true at all

Whoa... Don't startle him with knowledge. He might shoot those unicorns coming to get his guns.

[epo]

my uncle has owned a gun store for 20 years(been in the family 60 years), this last year has been the best on record EVER.

He has sold more rifles, shotguns, pistols, and ammo than ever, people are simply stocking up. I personally own 3000 rounds of 7.62 X39 ammo, bought it 2 years ago at $100 a case now up to $300 a case.

K

You'll be among the first targeted when the government takes away your guns. Well...you and Lord Jezo.

[earthbrown]

You'll be among the first targeted when the government takes away your guns. Well...you and Lord Jezo.


yes, and I will meet their targeting with force.

I would personally rather DIE, than allow the gov't to take my weapons. I will be locked loaded and ready to go. 7.62X39 beats most standard law enforcement Armour, and head shots trump all.

I am a law abiding citizen, if they come to take my guns, they will be met with deadly force.


K

[TheMojoPin]

Spaz.

[razorboy]

yes, and I will meet their targeting with force.

I would personally rather DIE, than allow the gov't to take my weapons. I will be locked loaded and ready to go. 7.62X39 beats most standard law enforcement Armour, and head shots trump all.

I am a law abiding citizen, if they come to take my guns, they will be met with deadly force.


K

Big, fake, scary words.

[KC2OSO]

Big, fake, scary words.
well no. I think he means it.

[Donnie Iris]

yes, and I will meet their targeting with force.

I would personally rather DIE, than allow the gov't to take my weapons. I will be locked loaded and ready to go. 7.62X39 beats most standard law enforcement Armour, and head shots trump all.

I am a law abiding citizen, if they come to take my guns, they will be met with deadly force.


K


A witty quip escapes me as this shit is way too out there. Those three cops that were taken out in Pittsburgh come to mind. It saddens me that there are people (especially my fellow countrymen) this disillusioned.

[KC2OSO]

i give up

[CuntagiousChris]

A well armed populace IS the best defense against tyranny

[TheMojoPin]

The Second Amendment is near and dear to me as well. Why are you all picking on him? (sic) earthbrown

I didn't read every one of his posts in this thread but he seems to be espousing responsible gun ownership and is in fear of his gun ownership rights being taken away as am I.

Because talking like either one having to defend themselves in some kind of doomsday scenario or against the government "trying to take away our guns" have a likely chance of happening is delusional paranoia at its finest.

That and he loves to play the racist card. A LOT.

[razorboy]

A well armed populace IS the best defense against tyranny

I guess general stupidity doesn't play any part. I own side arms. I'm scared of the vast majority of the other people who do the same.

[KC2OSO]

meh, I love you, I love mojo and most of the other folks here. why fight?

[TooLowBrow]

meh, I love you, I love mojo and most of the other folks here. why fight?

if that was everyones modquote this board would be a better place

[RhinoinMN]

meh, I love you, I love mojo and most of the other folks here. why fight?

This is the politics forum. That is what they do.

[TooLowBrow]

This is the politics forum. That is what they do.

love the politics, hate the current events

[RhinoinMN]

love the politics, hate the current events

I believe that your sentiment is the popular one. Every time I post a current event thread it tubes.

[TooLowBrow]

I believe that your sentiment is the popular one. Every time I post a current event thread it tubes.

me too

thats why i hate it

[PapaBear]

I believe that your sentiment is the popular one. Every time I post a current event thread it tubes.
You need to post more divisive current events.

[RhinoinMN]

You need to post more divisive current events.

Ok. Give me a second and I will tube another one.

[Reynolds]

There's only one way to solve this:

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/4691/riskmap.gif

[razorboy]

There's only one way to solve this:

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/4691/riskmap.gif

"Mom! Somebody took a shit on the gamebooard!"

[Syd]

A well armed populace IS the best defense against tyranny

A well armed populace also creates tyranny -- Reign of Terror being the most notable example.

[EliSnow]

A well armed populace IS the best defense against tyranny

I think a well educated populace is a better defense, and having seen some of the shit on this board and flying around in the public, I don't think we have that.

[RhinoinMN]

I think a well educated populace is a better defense, and having seen some of the shit on this board and flying around in the public, I don't think we have that.

My ears ring when you talk about me.

[Furtherman]

I would personally rather DIE, than allow the gov't to take my weapons.

Because without your gun, life is meaningless, right?

What a waste of space.

[mikeyboy]

I think a well educated populace is a better defense, and having seen some of the shit on this board and flying around in the public, I don't think we have that.

Also in the gym.

[EliSnow]

Also in the gym.

That's because the motto there is that a well toned populace is the best defense.

[RhinoinMN]

That's because the motto there is that a well toned populace is the best defense.

Good looking anyway.

[A.J.]

Because without your gun, life is meaningless, right?

What a waste of space.

Well Happiness IS A Warm Gun.

[cougarjake13]

Because without your gun, life is meaningless, right?

What a waste of space.

Without me, my rifle is useless. Without my rifle I am useless

[boosterp]

I guess general stupidity doesn't play any part. I own side arms. I'm scared of the vast majority of the other people who do the same.

This.

[A.J.]

Without me, my rifle is useless. Without my rifle I am useless

Outstanding, Private Pyle!