Worker dies at Long Island Wal-Mart after being trampled in Black Friday stampede

[NewYorkDragons80]

Worker dies at Long Island Wal-Mart after being trampled in Black Friday stampede (http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2008/11/28/2008-11-28_worker_dies_at_long_island_walmart_after.html)
"He was bum-rushed by 200 people," said Jimmy Overby, 43, a co-worker. "They took the doors off the hinges. He was trampled and killed in front of me. They took me down too...I literally had to fight people off my back."

[JPMNICK]

this happened last year too right?

I think we have about 3-5 more years of doing things this way before they start to do some type of numbering lotto system.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

give these specials online, the worst that can happen is a clogged server


stupid hens


my wife is one of them, up at 4 am today

[EddieMoscone]

give these specials online, the worst that can happen is a clogged server


Defeats the purpose of these scumbag stores drawing hundreds of people to shop at 4am the day after a holiday when they only have 5-10 of the big items available at the super duper price. I assume most people think they have to buy SOMETHING since they woke up to go to a store at 4am, even if they didn't get what they really wanted.

Savages...

[oh_kee_pa]

first of all, this family should sue the shit out of walmart and make billions upon billions...

there is no reason that there should be a stampede.... all of the major doorbusters where they only have a limited quantity should have a ticket attatched... first people in line get a ticket...
thats the way it should work and all of this would of been prevented

[torker]

Further proof that Long Island sucks.

[~Katja~]

sounds like that pregnant lady no longer needs to shop for deals on baby items.

so sad... why do people do that to themselves...

[KatPw]

Hey, that's my mall! I don't shop at Wal Mart though. And I think these people are disgusting, pushing, shoving, actually killing someone so they can by poorly-made products from China. Merry fucking Christmas!

[Zorro]

It's Valley Stream...would you expect anything else...the movie theater there at Green Acres has metal detectors

[~Katja~]

I can't believe that they still haven't figured out to double up on security at opening time and organize it more at any store.

I know a month ago Ikea had a crazy sale and from what I heard people were going wild the first day, so the second day they did the ticketing thing where people in line got a number for the items they were buying up front.

[El Mudo]

I'm of the belief that 90% of the people aren't there to even shop

They come to (a) say they were there and/or (b) watch all the "madness" they perceive will happen...thats where most of these crowds come from

Its the exact same principle of why traffic slows on the highway on BOTH sides even if the accident is completely in the other direction...so some jackoff can have an interesting story to tell at a bar while he's trying to pick up some skank

[pennington]

there is no reason that there should be a stampede.... all of the major doorbusters where they only have a limited quantity should have a ticket attatched... first people in line get a ticket...
thats the way it should work and all of this would of been prevented

Then there would be pushing and shoving to get to the head of the line and the people who did get the tickets will be assaulted.

Before police shut down the store, eager shoppers streamed past emergency crews as they worked furiously to save the store clerk's life.

"They were working on him, but you could see he was dead, said Halcyon Alexander, 29. "People were still coming through."

Only a few stopped.

"They're savages," said shopper Kimberly Cribbs, 27. "It's sad. It's terrible."

Savages indeed. The store manager will probably lose his job and the lawyers will make millions (they're probably already contacting the families).

[RoseBlood]

Long Island..
Wal-Mart..
Poor guy was doomed


I'm of the belief that 90% of the people aren't there to even shop

They come to (a) say they were there and/or (b) watch all the "madness" they perceive will happen...thats where most of these crowds come from

Its the exact same principle of why traffic slows on the highway on BOTH sides even if the accident is completely in the other direction...so some jackoff can have an interesting story to tell at a bar while he's trying to pick up some skank

So friggin ridiculous and this is one of my biggest pet peeves. Just fuckin drive people, there is nothing to see on the side of the road. Don't they have enough in their daily lives they don't need to see someone being pulled over. I seriously don't relate to the ridiculous morbid curiousity.

[commish13]

I think next year I'm going to ask to be unpaid security for one day, and I'll just stand in front of the entrance and start leveling people. Then maybe some of them will get the idea and stop being so greedy and thoughtless. Plus, I just wanna throw out some beatdowns.

[K.C.]

I think next year I'm going to ask to be unpaid security for one day, and I'll just stand in front of the entrance and start leveling people.

You just described my dream job.

I would so do that for free next year.

[commish13]

It really would rule. They're just a bunch of self-important assholes who don't give a shit about anybody else, so there'd be no guilt involved for us when we knock out some fat woman or anybody else. They deserve it.

[drusilla]

It's Valley Stream...would you expect anything else...the movie theater there at Green Acres has metal detectors

exactly. i'm hoping the shoppers at the macy's in manhasset are more civilized. my 69 year old mother had to be at work at 4:45 this morning for a 5am opening.

[oh_kee_pa]

Then there would be pushing and shoving to get to the head of the line and the people who did get the tickets will be assaulted.





I worked at Best Buy for 5 years and participated in 4 Black Friday's with them... Employees started showing up at 2 am and the local precinct was called Weds. night as a reminder we would have lots of people there and to have someone come by every 20 minutes...
No problems at all w/ the ticket system and everyone followed the rules or else they were thrown off the line and gone... the end...

[NewYorkDragons80]

Further proof that Long Island sucks.

Do you know anything about Valley Stream? I guarantee half of the crowd was from NYC. It doesn't make a difference, because this is a statement on inhumanity and doesn't apply to nations, regions, or municipalities.

[drusilla]

valley stream may have some nice parts, but the green acres mall is a ghetto piece of shit

[oh_kee_pa]

Do you know anything about Valley Stream? I guarantee half of the crowd was from NYC. It doesn't make a difference, because this is a statement on inhumanity and doesn't apply to nations, regions, or municipalities.

Queens... not NYC...
but, that area is not good regardless...
it's not like this happened to a store on the North Shore

[drusilla]

^^^

parts of queens or brooklyn though

i'm from queens. i find no use for the south shore other than my aunts house on the holidays in hewlett.

[NewYorkDragons80]

first of all, this family should sue the shit out of walmart and make billions upon billions...

there is no reason that there should be a stampede.... all of the major doorbusters where they only have a limited quantity should have a ticket attatched... first people in line get a ticket...
thats the way it should work and all of this would of been prevented

I really hope Wal-Mart has security cameras in the store and the parking lot so they can track the people responsible and their license plates. The only reason I hold Wal-Mart responsible is for the exact reason you stated. They ABSOLUTELY should've given out tickets for this "doorbuster" shit.

[NewYorkDragons80]

^^^

parts of queens or brooklyn though

i'm from queens. i find no use for the south shore other than my aunts house on the holidays in hewlett.

I'm from East Rockaway, so I'm next to Valley Stream. Other than the nightmarish traffic, I really like the South Shore. It's the best mix of urban and suburban, IMO. The Five Towns, Lynbrook, Rockville Centre, and East Rockaway are all the equivalent of an upper-middle class Queens neighborhood. When you start going futher east, it becomes more of the cookie-cutter suburbia you would find anywhere else in the country. Western Nassau, however, is the best of both worlds.

[drusilla]

I'm from East Rockaway, so I'm next to Valley Stream. Other than the nightmarish traffic, I really like the South Shore. It's the best mix of urban and suburban, IMO. The Five Towns, Lynbrook, Rockville Centre, and East Rockaway are all the equivalent of an upper-middle class Queens neighborhood. When you start going futher east, it becomes more of the cookie-cutter suburbia you would find anywhere else in the country. Western Nassau, however, is the best of both worlds.

well yeah, you're in the better part.

[KatPw]

Do you know anything about Valley Stream? I guarantee half of the crowd was from NYC. It doesn't make a difference, because this is a statement on inhumanity and doesn't apply to nations, regions, or municipalities.

I live in Elmont, right on the VS border, have lived here my whole life. I also work in Valley Stream. It is definitely the Queens and City crowd at the mall that caused the chaos. If you ever see the traffic patterns near Green Acres on the weekend, all the traffic is coming from, and returning to, the city.
I go to Green Acres all the time, I have never had a problem. Sure, they have crime, but so does every other mall on the island. I think this tragedy was just a case of people being disgusting asshats, and that type of behavior seems to be universal, not tied to any one color or creed.

[Coach]

Guess the ra......
Sorry Wrong Board.
Just a Question...I thought Walmart's were open 24 hours?

[torker]

Guess the ra......
Sorry Wrong Board.
Just a Question...I thought Walmart's were open 24 hours?
Not in a row, silly.

[Coach]

Not in a row, silly.
I guess I lived in areas where it was safe to be open 24 hours.

[furie]

So, was CrazeD the one who was killed?

[KatPw]

I guess I lived in areas where it was safe to be open 24 hours.

I think it depends on the area. I know midwest Walmarts tend to be open 24 hours.

[fezident]

"Earl.... cleanup in aisle 5..."

[Foster]

it's crazy everywhere today; I just went to the Post Office and that place was nuts.

I'm going to hide in the house until christmas is over

[pennington]

No problems at all w/ the ticket system and everyone followed the rules or else they were thrown off the line and gone... the end...

In civilized areas I agree with you. I was referring to this specific store where they ripped the doors off the hinges. I'm not sure these people would politely stand in line waiting for their ticket. If that was even the cause of the stampede.

There's another article (Newsday) linked on Drudge along with the Daily New article. I think that's the article where the police were quoted as saying there was a mob scene in the parking lot even before the store opened. Also, when the police tried to close the store, the people wouldn't leave.

[Tenbatsuzen]

It's Valley Stream...would you expect anything else...the movie theater there at Green Acres has metal detectors

Wasn't that the area of the infamous "Battle Mode" story of Anthony and Mission: Impossible?

[3Setsof10]

Further proof that Long Island sucks.

It's Valley Stream...would you expect anything else...the movie theater there at Green Acres has metal detectors

Both of these

Doesn't surprise me one bit that's where this happened. Someone in Virginia got mauled so she could get a $500.00 TV for $400.00. I hope these sales are really worth it, I slept in today

[Tenbatsuzen]

Both of these

Doesn't surprise me one bit that's where this happened. Someone in Virginia got mauled so she could get a $500.00 TV for $400.00. I hope these sales are really worth it, I slept in today

The funny thing is, these aren't. Most of the people on the deal forums have derided these sales as being lousy this year. A friend of mine who works in retail is saying the hyped deals are on crap.

[NewYorkDragons80]

Someone has decided that this is typical behavior in the Northeast (http://voices.kansascity.com/node/2929).

The incident is appalling, but it fits the stereotype about East Coast people who don't care about others.

I encourage everyone who sees what this is really about to contact Mr. Abouhalkah about his views on the Northeast. More importantly, however, it demonstrates the folly in saying "typical Long Islanders." Because while you're looking down on them, a good ole boy columnist in the Midwest looks down on all of us who happen to live along the Atlantic, while the world sees this as American consumerism run rampant. The fact is, this could've happened anywhere on the planet and we should feel this shame as human beings rather than try to distance ourselves from "those" people.

[drusilla]

I think it depends on the area. I know midwest Walmarts tend to be open 24 hours.


i live in upstate ny most of the time now & one of ours is 24 hours. but it's just outside of the city.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I hate to say it, but Jimmy Overby, Wal-Mart employee, can kiss his job goodbye. Merry Christmas, dude.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I know this will do nothing to help race relations in America, but here's a picture from what happened:

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/11/29/gal_walmart_stampede_01.jpg

[Death Metal Moe]

I's GOTS ta get dat flatscreen, yo!

[Coach]

I hear "OBAMA PREZIDENT NAAH!" was heard echoing the WalMart

[drjoek]

One dead Walmart employee? Somhow I feel the nation will survive.
Christ those greeters must drop dead almost daily.

[Death Metal Moe]

One dead Walmart employee? Somhow I feel the nation will survive.
Christ those greeters must drop dead almost daily.

A tad insensitive, don't you think? I know peoplw who work at Wal Mart, they're trying to make ends meet.

So are they not significant enough because it's only one person you don't know or because of their job?

[drjoek]

A tad insensitive, don't you think? I know peoplw who work at Wal Mart, they're trying to make ends meet.

So are they not significant enough because it's only one person you don't know or because of their job?



This from the king of sensitivity. Please. You skewer more people and things here than almost anyone yet you come down in this?

[Zorro]

Someone has decided that this is typical behavior in the Northeast (http://voices.kansascity.com/node/2929).



I encourage everyone who sees what this is really about to contact Mr. Abouhalkah about his views on the Northeast. More importantly, however, it demonstrates the folly in saying "typical Long Islanders." Because while you're looking down on them, a good ole boy columnist in the Midwest looks down on all of us who happen to live along the Atlantic, while the world sees this as American consumerism run rampant. The fact is, this could've happened anywhere on the planet and we should feel this shame as human beings rather than try to distance ourselves from "those" people.


Good for Mr. Abouhalkah... he hits the nail right on the head.

[drusilla]

One dead Walmart employee? Somhow I feel the nation will survive.
Christ those greeters must drop dead almost daily.

i can't help it but i love the greeters at our walmart. we have a really nice double decker one over by ualbany. & usually one of the greeters is this handicapped dude who's just so freaking happy to be working there & saying hello to people all day.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I hear "OBAMA PREZIDENT NAAH!" was heard echoing the WalMart

Yeah, I'm wondering why they were even there; didn't Obama promise them all free TV's?

[drusilla]

the fucking ny post has cell phone video of the cops giving the guy cpr.


fucked up.

[drjoek]

i can't help it but i love the greeters at our walmart. we have a really nice double decker one over by ualbany. & usually one of the greeters is this handicapped dude who's just so freaking happy to be working there & saying hello to people all day.



I agree the greeters are always a nice touch. They do tend to be a bit old though hence my little joke.

[Foster]

[QUOTE=Tenbatsuzen;1977691]I know this will do nothing to help race relations in America, but here's a picture from what happened:

[QUOTE]

http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo320/foster67/gal_walmart_stampede_01.jpg

you're right there's the instigator right here.

[torker]

I know this will do nothing to help race relations in America, but here's a picture from what happened:

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/11/29/gal_walmart_stampede_01.jpg

Now I know why they call in Black Friday.
booooo

[drusilla]

I agree the greeters are always a nice touch. They do tend to be a bit old though hence my little joke.

thanks. i'm kinda slow. i don't get jokes.

[Gmann]

I know this will do nothing to help race relations in America, but here's a picture from what happened:

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/11/29/gal_walmart_stampede_01.jpg



Gee....looking at this picture is anyone really surprised by the actions of these people ?

[Coach]

the fucking ny post has cell phone video of the cops giving the guy cpr.


fucked up.
I believe the correct term is UPS

[Foster]

I believe the correct term is UPS

Boo got stomped! Boo got stomped!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Gee....looking at this picture is anyone really surprised by the actions of these people ?

http://llnw.image.cbslocal.com/0/2008/03/08/320x240/tropic_movie_downeyjr1.jpg

[Reephdweller]

I know this will do nothing to help race relations in America, but here's a picture from what happened:

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/11/29/gal_walmart_stampede_01.jpg


This is why I would never on a regular day go to a Walmart in Valley Stream let alone on Black Friday.

I did go to Target and Best Buy today to find a deal on a GPS...Target was ok in terms of shoppers it was wasn't that bad inside, but Best Buy ABSOLUTE madness inside. It felt like a legal riot going on. I ended up passing on the GPS they had, I'll get one in time I figure.

[Lady Resin]

the fucking ny post has cell phone video of the cops giving the guy cpr.


fucked up.


The video (http://www.nypost.com/seven/11282008/news/regionalnews/man_killed__woman_miscarries_in_wal_mart_141313.ht m)

[~Katja~]

The video (http://www.nypost.com/seven/11282008/news/regionalnews/man_killed__woman_miscarries_in_wal_mart_141313.ht m)

and it was a big guy too... just insane how crazy people are, and I wonder if they end up all being removed instead of being allowed to shop... at least until the scene was cleared.

[RoseBlood]

and it was a big guy too... just insane how crazy people are, and I wonder if they end up all being removed instead of being allowed to shop... at least until the scene was cleared.

and he was only 34 too.. a tragedy no matter what :sad:

[FUNKMAN]

supposedly his favorite soda was Orange Crush too...

[Lady Resin]

and it was a big guy too... just insane how crazy people are, and I wonder if they end up all being removed instead of being allowed to shop... at least until the scene was cleared.

I read somewhere that they opened the store at 12:30.

[furie]

i think we should stop considering valley stream part of LI, just like elmont

[DolaMight]

and he was only 34 too.. a tragedy no matter what :sad:

eh... Tragic? Maybe mildly unfortunate. No not even. I bet he was a blocking the isle with his cart guy. As Bill Burr said there's too many of that guy already.
Have you ever been to walmart? 5 minutes in there and you're wishing death on everyone.

Question is how did smiley survive? Musta been his WWII experience.

http://www.mockingword.com/feature-articles/images/walmart_greeter.jpg

[Reephdweller]

i think we should stop considering valley stream part of LI, just like elmont


Valley Stream is dead to me now.

I don't blame the store. They should have organized things better, sure, but the responsibility still falls on people acting like civilized human beings. I want a good deal on things also, but I'm not going to rush some store or stomp on someone to get anything. I am embarrassed to this think kind of thing would happen in NY or anywhere in the northeast.

[UpperEastSideDave]

$800 dollars for a 50inch plasma... Wish I was there.

[RoseBlood]

eh... Tragic? Maybe mildly unfortunate. No not even. I bet he was a blocking the isle with his cart guy. As Bill Burr said there's too many of that guy already.

Did you even read the article? Yes, what happened to this man was tragic... what happened to Panda Cuddling Guy was tragic only in the sense the Panda should've finished the job.. Survival of the Fittest.

[Gmann]

http://llnw.image.cbslocal.com/0/2008/03/08/320x240/tropic_movie_downeyjr1.jpg

you owe me one for that set up.

[Furtherman]

Herd mentality is a dangerous situation. I'm in Philly for the holiday and they just showed on the news two stores opening at 4am. One store opened up and people walked in civilized, in line, with no pushing, running or yelling. The other, well, it was exactly all that I just described. Animals. I know I wouldn't do it, and I've been in those situations when I avoided it... but I've seen the way people change. The greed, the need to be first... I don't even know what it is. Perhaps some social psychologist has a term for it. I just see assholes.

Last year around this time I was watching the premiere for the new season of 24 on the big screen outside in Times Square. There were a lot of people there, but you could walk around with no more problems than a usual tourist-crowd day. Then a FOX intern walked up with a box and placed it right in front of me. In the box was 24 hats they were giving away. As I was right there, I got one but 5 seconds later the intern had to start shouting for people to keep back and about 20 seconds later the police had to push people back. I was knocked over and had to throw a few elbows just to get up. All for a cheap, free hat. I saw the same mob mentality numbers times on the day of the blackout. It's hard to compare what means will cause people to do that, whether it be free food to feed a baby or a good deal on a TV, but it shows that society is a very thin, very fine line, and make no mistake, we're just one disaster away from killing our fellow brothers if it will make our life a little bit easier. Give thanks.

[Jackie Puppet]

I read somewhere that they opened the store at 12:30.


CPT?


ohhhhhawwwheeee

[Jackie Puppet]

and it was a big guy too... just insane how crazy people are, and I wonder if they end up all being removed instead of being allowed to shop... at least until the scene was cleared.

And the baggers just stood there laughing.


heeehhehhehehooof

[Lady Resin]

sounds like that pregnant lady no longer needs to shop for deals on baby items.

so sad... why do people do that to themselves...

I just read on CNN she didn't miscarry.


"A 28-year-old pregnant woman was taken to a hospital, he said, but "I'm happy to report she did not miscarry, and the baby is going to be OK." The woman was to be released from the hospital Friday, he said.":smile:

[~Katja~]

I just read on CNN she didn't miscarry.


"A 28-year-old pregnant woman was taken to a hospital, he said, but "I'm happy to report she did not miscarry, and the baby is going to be OK." The woman was to be released from the hospital Friday, he said.":smile:

Still makes me wonder why a pregnant woman would think it is a good place to be for her... at 1am between masses of savages who will not care about anybody else around them.

Glad the baby is ok, but I sure hope she makes wiser choices in her future, else you may hear a report of the same woman being out there with her infant this time next year.

[NewYorkDragons80]

I hope they round up 50 people for manslaughter. I hate the expansion of surveillance cameras in recent years, but at least it can be put to good use here. I am beside myself with this story.

[NewYorkDragons80]

Still makes me wonder why a pregnant woman would think it is a good place to be for her... at 1am between masses of savages who will not care about anybody else around them.

Glad the baby is ok, but I sure hope she makes wiser choices in her future, else you may hear a report of the same woman being out there with her infant this time next year.

I'm with you, but I'll give her the benefit of the doubt that she expected some kind of orderly system like the ticket system that Best Buy uses. It's funny, the only thing that tempted me to even contemplate doing a doorbuster was a $9.99 blu-ray I wanted at Best Buy, and this afternoon, Target has put that same blu-ray up for sale, but for the whole season. Ridiculous.

[sr71blackbird]

I avoid crowds like the plague for just this reason.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I avoid the blacks like the plague for just this reason.

Fixed

[torker]

This is why I only shop at S Mart.
http://wiw.org/~jess/wp-uploads/smart.jpg

[3Setsof10]

Someone has decided that this is typical behavior in the Northeast (http://voices.kansascity.com/node/2929).



I encourage everyone who sees what this is really about to contact Mr. Abouhalkah about his views on the Northeast. More importantly, however, it demonstrates the folly in saying "typical Long Islanders." Because while you're looking down on them, a good ole boy columnist in the Midwest looks down on all of us who happen to live along the Atlantic, while the world sees this as American consumerism run rampant. The fact is, this could've happened anywhere on the planet and we should feel this shame as human beings rather than try to distance ourselves from "those" people.

It must have worked, as he edited his article.

[Death Metal Moe]

This from the king of sensitivity. Please. You skewer more people and things here than almost anyone yet you come down in this?

We're not talking about me, we're talking about you and youre devaluing of human life.

[drusilla]

This is why I only shop at S Mart.
http://wiw.org/~jess/wp-uploads/smart.jpg

smart

[KnoxHarrington]

We're not talking about me, we're talking about you and youre devaluing of human life.

It's pathetic to see how quickly this thread devolved into cheap jokes and stupid racism.

I'm double checking the address bar to make sure I didn't accidentally log on to Wackbag.

[Death Metal Moe]

It's pathetic to see how quickly this thread devolved into cheap jokes and stupid racism.

I'm double checking the address bar to make sure I didn't accidentally log on to Wackbag.

Don't blame me, I wasn't the one who said this guy's death didn't mean as much because of his economic status in our society.

[sr71blackbird]

I dont see what race has to do with any of this. we are talking about "me first" attitudes, which transcend all races equally.

[Tenbatsuzen]

smart

This could have all been stopped if this was said at 4:53 AM:


Alright you Primitive Screwheads, listen up! You see this? This... is my boomstick! The twelve-gauge double-barreled Remington. S-Mart's top of the line. You can find this in the sporting goods department. That's right, this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Retails for about a hundred and nine, ninety five. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel, and a hair trigger. That's right. Shop smart. Shop S-Mart. You got that?

[Death Metal Moe]

This could have all been stopped if this was said at 4:53 AM:


Alright you Primitive Screwheads, listen up! You see this? This... is my boomstick! The twelve-gauge double-barreled Remington. S-Mart's top of the line. You can find this in the sporting goods department. That's right, this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Retails for about a hundred and nine, ninety five. It's got a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel, and a hair trigger. That's right. Shop smart. Shop S-Mart. You got that?

Hail to the King, baby.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I dont see what race has to do with any of this. we are talking about "me first" attitudes, which transcend all races equally.

The racism in this thread is subtle at best, and mainly done for humor value. The fact of the matter is, this isn't about "me first" attitude, this is about savage, low-class, low-income people who wanted to save a couple of hundred bucks on last year's TV.

Race doesn't have a LOT to do with it, but it's a deciding factor.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Hail to the King, baby.

http://www.i-mockery.com/halloween/greatest/pics/army-darkness6.gif

[Tenbatsuzen]

I dont see what race has to do with any of this. we are talking about "me first" attitudes, which transcend all races equally.

Time to end this thread....


It's an "N" word, it's definitely an "N" word!

[Death Metal Moe]

http://blogs.knoxnews.com/knx/brown/archives/AniDiFrancoCROP.jpg

This porch is clear...

[PapaBear]

The racism in this thread is subtle at best, and mainly done for humor value. The fact of the matter is, this isn't about "me first" attitude, this is about savage, low-class, low-income people who wanted to save a couple of hundred bucks on last year's TV.

Race doesn't have a LOT to do with it, but it's a deciding factor.
I don't know anything about the neighborhood this Wal Mart is in, but this kind of thing happens at Wal Marts and other retailers in all kinds of neighborhoods. I blame both the retailers and the local news stations for this kind of crap. They go out of their way to create the mad rush at the opening of the doors, and then it gets played on the 6 o'clock news.

There are so many things the stores can do to prevent it, but they want the spectacle. I worked at Wal Mart during Christmas 2000. It's a 24 hour place, and the manager was wise enough to prevent this crap. People were allowed in the store whenever they wanted. The special sale items were roped off, and people would stand in line by the item they were most interested in. When 6AM hit, they started selling the stuff. There were still scuffles over some stuff as it ran out, but it was isolated pockets of the store.

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://blogs.knoxnews.com/knx/brown/archives/AniDiFrancoCROP.jpg

This porch is clear...

holy fuck. 1) she cleans up nice and 2) when did she get that rack and 3) that was a great fucking line and I'm getting NOTHING

[Death Metal Moe]

holy fuck. 1) she cleans up nice and 2) when did she get that rack and 3) that was a great fucking line and I'm getting NOTHING

I know, that's what I was thinking.

Eh, boobs are mysterious things. They can look very different picture to picture. A different bra can make 'em look extra lovely sometimes.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I don't know anything about the neighborhood this Wal Mart is in, but this kind of thing happens at Wal Marts and other retailers in all kinds of neighborhoods. I blame both the retailers and the local news stations for this kind of crap. They go out of their way to create the mad rush at the opening of the doors, and then it gets played on the 6 o'clock news.

There are so many things the stores can do to prevent it, but they want the spectacle. I worked at Wal Mart during Christmas 2000. It's a 24 hour place, and the manager was wise enough to prevent this crap. People were allowed in the store whenever they wanted. The special sale items were roped off, and people would stand in line by the item they were most interested in. When 6AM hit, they started selling the stuff. There were still scuffles over some stuff as it ran out, but it was isolated pockets of the store.

My brother works in retail, I took part in a massive black friday deal last year (Best Buy, Target, Staples) and Liz was out this morning.

It's a product of three things:

1) Environment

2) Population

3) Preparedness

What happened here was, the Wal-Mart did not have proper security for what happened. You need crowd control, especially if you're dealing with a large group of people that is cold, tired, and greedy.

What's going to happen is, the manager of the store is fired, the district manager is going to be fired, the guy who talked to the press is going to be fired, and the family of the man who died is going to be very well paid.

[Jackie Puppet]

http://blogs.knoxnews.com/knx/brown/archives/AniDiFrancoCROP.jpg

This porch is clear...

Ahhahahhawheeeheee

[ahhdurr]

Stupid people get killed all the time by obviously dangerous situations.

People keep using the word "animal" but think about it - it's true. I would no more stand in front of a doorway of rabid dogs rushing into a Walmart.

[NewYorkDragons80]

Don't blame me, I wasn't the one who said this guy's death didn't mean as much because of his economic status in our society.

Moe, does EVERY thread you're in have to be about Don and Mike?

[drusilla]

http://www.i-mockery.com/halloween/greatest/pics/army-darkness6.gif

my favorite thing evar

[Zorro]

I dont see what race has to do with any of this. we are talking about "me first" attitudes, which transcend all races equally.

You haven't been to the movies lately

[Furtherman]

We'll all be eating each other.

[suggums]

yuck. this is a symbol of everything wrong with america. while the economy is spiraling out of control these pieces of garbage let nothing, even murder, stand in the way between them and their goddamn junk. just keep throwing your money and humanity in the trash, we sure dont fuckin deserve it. i wish they locked the store down and executed everyone willing to step on another human being in order to get into that shithole of a store. what fuckin gives? wheres the justice?

[Friday]

Further proof that humans suck.

fixed

and VS may be ghetto... but just remember that the white people who shop at wal-mart tend to stampede too. black friday is for idiots. shop online, people!!

[jennysmurf]

fixed

and VS may be ghetto... but just remember that the white people who shop at wal-mart tend to stampede too. black friday is for idiots. shop online, people!!

Amen, sister! I've never been trampled online!

[jonyrotn]

I never fathomed I'd be living in a world where herds of free roaming, uncaged soccer moms, all cranked up on RedBull and Starbuck's would be committing homicides in the wee hours of the night, just to get their pudgy little fingers on some fuckin knock-off ipod or tacky leopard skin curtains or any of that other shity Walmart Swag chinese kids would (and do) die for..

I guess the only thing I can find comfort and solace in now is the knowledge that I'm certain, men have been killed for much less...

This is a sad, sad time, to say the least..:sad:

[Gmann]

I dont see what race has to do with any of this. we are talking about "me first" attitudes, which transcend all races equally.


You know what....call me racist or whatnot I dont care.
But after reading about what happened to that poor guy, and then seeing the picture of the crowd that was on line at that WALMART....did anyone really not say to themselves "yeah well...it figures" ?

Im just being honest here.

[NickyL0885]

I never fathomed I'd be living in a world where herds of free roaming, uncaged soccer moms, all cranked up on RedBull and Starbuck's would be committing homicides in the wee hours of the night, just to get their pudgy little fingers on some fuckin knock-off ipod or tacky leopard skin curtains or any of that other shity Walmart Swag chinese kids would (and do) die for..

I guess the only thing I can find comfort and solace in now is the knowledge that I'm certain, men have been killed for much less...

This is a sad, sad time, to say the least..:sad:

but they need to get little Timmy that transformer action figure! and little sally that bratz doll!

[sailor]

i think it's silly for anyone here to be calling this a homicide. no one's ever been caught up in swelling crowds where you have no control over where you get pushed? so, the who fans in cincy in 1979 were animals who were greedy and should have stopped to prevent injury to their fellows? you're just being unrealistic. yes, better (any?) crowd management techniques need to be used, but that's on the back of the business, not the customers.

[sailor]

Gee....looking at this picture is anyone really surprised by the actions of these people ?

then seeing the picture of the crowd that was on line at that WALMART....did anyone really not say to themselves "yeah well...it figures" ?

worried someone missed it the first time?

[sr71blackbird]

I firmly believe it is all because of the "me first" attitude. In their twisted mind sets, they justify barbaric behavior as payment for "having to wait in line". I have seen it in all races, so try not to judge people. It is the way humans are evolving. We lose our cool if we have to wait because we have become conditioned to instant satisfaction and fixes.

[yojimbo7248]

There is a regional aspect to this death too. This would not happen in most of America and would definitely not happen anywhere in Canada. New Yorkers, people from northern New Jersey, and most of Long Island are proud of being assholes and this 'fuck you' attitude has consequences. I see it at all levels of society here and all races. I know investment bankers who brag about how they cheat and fuck over people. I know Brooklyn mothers that will scream at the top of their lungs at a private school administrators to get their precious little darlings into a prestigious school. I live on Dekalb and there is no better example of asshole behavior than Brooklyn drivers. The amount of honking, nearly running over pedestrians, and generally being pricks in traffic is ridiculous. I could go on and on with examples of how shameless people here about being angry, petty, vile human beings. I know I am generalizing but there is definitely something in the culture here that makes people think it is acceptable and strong to treat other people like shit. This incident does not surprise me one bit.

[sr71blackbird]

There is a regional aspect to this death too. This would not happen in most of America and would definitely not happen anywhere in Canada. New Yorkers, people from northern New Jersey, and most of Long Island are proud of being assholes and this 'fuck you' attitude has consequences. I see it at all levels of society here and all races. I know investment bankers who brag about how they cheat and fuck over people. I know Brooklyn mothers that will scream at the top of their lungs at a private school administrators to get their precious little darlings into a prestigious school. I live on Dekalb and there is no better example of asshole behavior than Brooklyn drivers. The amount of honking, nearly running over pedestrians, and generally being pricks in traffic is ridiculous. I could go on and on with examples of how shameless people here about being angry, petty, vile human beings. I know I am generalizing but there is definitely something in the culture here that makes people think it is acceptable and strong to treat other people like shit. This incident does not surprise me one bit.

Hey, thats not true! I do not know anyone who would act this way and be so unfeeling about someone who got hurt. I have heard about this kind of thing before, and almost always it is outside the NY area, but I do not think it has so much to do with what area it is as much as changing sensibilities of all people who have no patience and get angry slow fulfillment. In todays world, we are becoming so used to having instant pleasure and instant access to whatever we want that we become enraged when things take longer to get done than we expect. Think about how easy it is now to get information, to see a movie or speak to someone instantly from anywhere we are. I know I am effected by it too, I get pissed when someone gets ahead of me too, but I am learning to realize that this causes me anxiety and it is meaningless in the scheme of things. This is nationwide, maybe worldwide, and nothing to do with Ny and NJ.

[sailor]

http://movieimage2.tripod.com/grail/grail04.jpg

[Dan 'Hampton]

It was disgusting seeing people haul out carts of merch as the ambulances were carrying away people on stretchers. So much for being "thankful".

[angrymissy]

I did the Black Friday overnight thing at Best Buy 3 years ago with my sister... they went down the line about 1 hour before the store opened and handed out tickets. When they opened the store they announced that you had to have the ticket to get the item and it was pretty orderly. Don't know why Walmart didn't do that.

[yojimbo7248]

Hey, thats not true! I do not know anyone who would act this way and be so unfeeling about someone who got hurt. I have heard about this kind of thing before, and almost always it is outside the NY area, but I do not think it has so much to do with what area it is as much as changing sensibilities of all people who have no patience and get angry slow fulfillment. In todays world, we are becoming so used to having instant pleasure and instant access to whatever we want that we become enraged when things take longer to get done than we expect. Think about how easy it is now to get information, to see a movie or speak to someone instantly from anywhere we are. I know I am effected by it too, I get pissed when someone gets ahead of me too, but I am learning to realize that this causes me anxiety and it is meaningless in the scheme of things. This is nationwide, maybe worldwide, and nothing to do with Ny and NJ.

You made good points and I definitely over-generalized. This story just shocked me. It made me think of the people I know here in New York that are proud of their fuck you attitudes and act as though being a prick it is just part of being a New Yorker. Of course, you find this attitude everywhere. I completely agree with the changing sensibilities of all people leading to this.

[angrymissy]

You made good points and I definitely over-generalized. This story just shocked me. It made me think of the people I know here in New York that are proud of their fuck you attitudes and act as though being a prick it is just part of being a New Yorker. Of course, you find this attitude everywhere. I completely agree with the changing sensibilities of all people leading to this.

Yeah, but when I went and did this, everyone was pleasant on line, people who had family members running out to get them coffee got coffee for the people in line next to them, if someone tried to sneak in and cut everyone banded together and called them out on it, and that was in NY.

It has nothing to do with the location - this could have happened in Kansas - and it has happened in the midwest/south, etc in the past.

[Zorro]

Yeah, but when I went and did this, everyone was pleasant on line, people who had family members running out to get them coffee got coffee for the people in line next to them, if someone tried to sneak in and cut everyone banded together and called them out on it, and that was in NY.

It has nothing to do with the location - this could have happened in Kansas - and it has happened in the midwest/south, etc in the past.

...there were thousands of Black Friday sales just like this all over the country and the only place it happened was in Valley Stream. For some reason people in our area have an entitlement attitude...you see it on the subway at the airport...even at Starbucks. I travel a lot to other parts of the country and with few exceptions the rudeness and me first attitude of the New York area doesn't exist in other parts of the US

[angrymissy]

...there were thousands of Black Friday sales just like this all over the country and the only place it happened was in Valley Stream. For some reason people in our area have an entitlement attitude...you see it on the subway at the airport...even at Starbucks. I travel a lot to other parts of the country and with few exceptions the rudeness and me first attitude of the New York area doesn't exist in other parts of the US

I travel all over the country for work, and find people ruder outside of this area.

This happens every year, it just happened in NY this year.

The rudest area I ever traveled to was Missouri. Cleveland and Atlanta are up there as well.

[sailor]

...there were thousands of Black Friday sales just like this all over the country and the only place it happened was in Valley Stream. For some reason people in our area have an entitlement attitude...you see it on the subway at the airport...even at Starbucks. I travel a lot to other parts of the country and with few exceptions the rudeness and me first attitude of the New York area doesn't exist in other parts of the US

so there was no craziness of any sort elsewhere? or are you saying just because no one else died there were no other problems?

[~Katja~]

...there were thousands of Black Friday sales just like this all over the country and the only place it happened was in Valley Stream. For some reason people in our area have an entitlement attitude...you see it on the subway at the airport...even at Starbucks. I travel a lot to other parts of the country and with few exceptions the rudeness and me first attitude of the New York area doesn't exist in other parts of the US

don't fool yourself. it happened all over the country, it's just that this is the only "local" fatality you are aware of.

Shooting at a ToysRus in Cali
http://www.wkrg.com/crime/article/two_people_dead_in_black_friday_shooting/21390/
http://gizmodo.com/5099896/more-black-friday-bloodshed-2-dead-after-shooting-at-toys-r-us

[ahhdurr]

I never fathomed I'd be living in a world where herds of free roaming, uncaged soccer moms, all cranked up on RedBull and Starbuck's would be committing homicides in the wee hours of the night, just to get their pudgy little fingers on some fuckin knock-off ipod or tacky leopard skin curtains or any of that other shity Walmart Swag chinese kids would (and do) die for..

I guess the only thing I can find comfort and solace in now is the knowledge that I'm certain, men have been killed for much less...

This is a sad, sad time, to say the least..:sad:

fuck it dude. Humanity plateaued in development years ago.

We just have fancier gizmos now.

haha. We can rewind a beating or so.

[Boomer]

...there were thousands of Black Friday sales just like this all over the country and the only place it happened was in Valley Stream. For some reason people in our area have an entitlement attitude...you see it on the subway at the airport...even at Starbucks. I travel a lot to other parts of the country and with few exceptions the rudeness and me first attitude of the New York area doesn't exist in other parts of the US

I think the word you're looking for is "uppity".

Isn't it wonderful how we americans think we're so civilized, yet more people are killed here in this country EVERY DAY than there are killed in Iraq and Afganistan combined. You know...those two WAR ZONES.

Pathetic...just Fucking Pathetic.

[Dougie]

It's pathetic to see how quickly this thread devolved into cheap jokes and stupid racism.

I'm double checking the address bar to make sure I didn't accidentally log on to Wackbag.

:clap:

It only takes one or two people to start acting like asses for something like this to snowball out of control...like it did.
It happens everywhere.

I'll be the first to admit that WalMart is ghetto as hell, though. Nothing that goes on there or in Green Acres Mall surprises me. As a matter of fact, the reason the movie theatre there has metal detectors was because a friend of mine from elementary school was shot and killed there. The next weekend they brought in the metal detectors... :smh:

Still, one or two savages doesn't make all Black people bad....
I certainly don't judge all white people on what I hear from Anthony of O&A...

[Zorro]

don't fool yourself. it happened all over the country, it's just that this is the only "local" fatality you are aware of.

Shooting at a ToysRus in Cali
http://www.wkrg.com/crime/article/two_people_dead_in_black_friday_shooting/21390/
http://gizmodo.com/5099896/more-black-friday-bloodshed-2-dead-after-shooting-at-toys-r-us

It's a straw man argument. I can't argue that people didn't die in a store in California, but when you read the story and see that it is the result of people carrying guns and probably the result of "prior" i.e. gang issues it has no relevance in this discussion. There was no stampede the people involved weren't innocents...People on this board are thrilled to call non-new yorkers hayseeds, but when the shit hits there own back door the excuses start flying.

[Dougie]

You know what....call me racist or whatnot I dont care.
But after reading about what happened to that poor guy, and then seeing the picture of the crowd that was on line at that WALMART....did anyone really not say to themselves "yeah well...it figures" ?

Im just being honest here.
Saying "yeah, it figures" after seeing the picture implies that this doesn't happen in "white trash" America. Are you saying this doesn't happen anywhere else?So are you being honest or racist?
I see this every year in all kinds of neighborhoods. I would have said "yeah, it figures" for the simple fact that people tend to show their asses on Black Friday, no matter what the race.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I think the word you're looking for is "uppity".

Isn't it wonderful how we americans think we're so civilized, yet more people are killed here in this country EVERY DAY than there are killed in Iraq and Afganistan combined. You know...those two WAR ZONES.

Pathetic...just Fucking Pathetic.

Holy crap, I think you just Godwin'd an argument without bringing Nazis into it.

[NewYorkDragons80]

Yeah, but when I went and did this, everyone was pleasant on line, people who had family members running out to get them coffee got coffee for the people in line next to them, if someone tried to sneak in and cut everyone banded together and called them out on it, and that was in NY.

It has nothing to do with the location - this could have happened in Kansas - and it has happened in the midwest/south, etc in the past.
Precisely. These human stampedes can and have happened in Japan, which is the most formal and polite culture on the planet.

Saying "yeah, it figures" after seeing the picture implies that this doesn't happen in "white trash" America. Are you saying this doesn't happen anywhere else?So are you being honest or racist?
I see this every year in all kinds of neighborhoods. I would have said "yeah, it figures" for the simple fact that people tend to show their asses on Black Friday, no matter what the race.

The finger pointing has evolved from "Long Islanders" to "blacks" to Americans. This is an everywhere problem. This country just has shinier stuff to stampede over. There isn't a corner of the globe that can say "those" people did this, no matter who they direct it at.

No, this would never happen in Wis-Can-Son, where taxi cabs are hunted for the sweet meat beneath their hoods.

http://media.canada.com/67bc2623-9886-4c71-9f03-edf992a0aa3a/dfoley_375x375.jpg

[drusilla]

i think it's silly for anyone here to be calling this a homicide. no one's ever been caught up in swelling crowds where you have no control over where you get pushed? so, the who fans in cincy in 1979 were animals who were greedy and should have stopped to prevent injury to their fellows? you're just being unrealistic. yes, better (any?) crowd management techniques need to be used, but that's on the back of the business, not the customers.

i almost died at the tibetan freedom concert on randalls island during the beastie's set. i got knocked to the ground & someone was standing on my head. by the time i crawled out of it i had lost my shoes & my glasses, i was covered in dirt from head to toe bleeding from my knees & i had bruised my ribs. & that was supposed to be a happy peaceful place.

[NewYorkDragons80]

i think it's silly for anyone here to be calling this a homicide. no one's ever been caught up in swelling crowds where you have no control over where you get pushed? so, the who fans in cincy in 1979 were animals who were greedy and should have stopped to prevent injury to their fellows? you're just being unrealistic. yes, better (any?) crowd management techniques need to be used, but that's on the back of the business, not the customers.

Manslaughter - The unlawful killing of a human being without malice or premeditation, either express or implied; distinguished from murder, which requires malicious intent. (http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/m013.htm)

The cases of manslaughter may be classed as follows those which take place in consequence of: 1. Provocation. 2. Mutual combat. 3. Resistance to public officers, etc. 4. Killing in the prosecution of an unlawful or wanton act. 5. Killing in the prosecution of a lawful act, improperly performed, or performed without lawful authority.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Precisely. These human stampedes can and have happened in Japan, which is the most formal and polite culture on the planet.


...the FUCK? Do not confuse "protocol" with "politeness". This is the country that gave us tentacle porn and schoolgirl panty venduing machines.

[Gmann]

i almost died at the tibetan freedom concert on randalls island during the beastie's set. i got knocked to the ground & someone was standing on my head. by the time i crawled out of it i had lost my shoes & my glasses, i was covered in dirt from head to toe bleeding from my knees & i had bruised my ribs. & that was supposed to be a happy peaceful place.


Youre also 5ft tall. Someone your height shouldnt be in a mosh pit of that size at an outdoor show.
I was at that too. I was probably standing on you to get a better view.

[scottinnj]

Black Friday is the worst. Ever since I was a kid, with parents punching each other over Cabbage Patch Kids, it's been engineered to bring out the worst in shoppers.

1. 5am store openings.

2. "Black Friday Only" specials.

3. Stores and toy companies not having enough inventory and supply to artificially raise prices on "hot items" due to too much demand that they created by not making enough items.

4. Stupid people who year after year validate this insanity by showing up.


It was a matter of time-the trampling and the Toys R Us shooting is just the beginning. It will only continue to degrade into total consumer depravity and cold, corporate capitalism.

[drusilla]

Youre also 5ft tall. Someone your height shouldnt be in a mosh pit of that size at an outdoor show.
I was at that too. I was probably standing on you to get a better view.

i hate you sometimes

[Tenbatsuzen]

i hate you sometimes

shoulda heard the line I had and sat on

[hammersavage]

i almost died at the tibetan freedom concert on randalls island during the beastie's set. i got knocked to the ground & someone was standing on my head. by the time i crawled out of it i had lost my shoes & my glasses, i was covered in dirt from head to toe bleeding from my knees & i had bruised my ribs. & that was supposed to be a happy peaceful place.

Sol Rosenberg?

[sailor]

Manslaughter - The unlawful killing of a human being without malice or premeditation, either express or implied; distinguished from murder, which requires malicious intent. (http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/m013.htm)

and you think someone in the crowd will or could be prosecuted for this?

[NewYorkDragons80]

...the FUCK? Do not confuse "protocol" with "politeness". This is the country that gave us tentacle porn and schoolgirl panty venduing machines.
Thanks for making my point. Even the most reserved cultures are capable of humiliatingly tragic behavior.

and you think someone in the crowd will or could be prosecuted for this?

The NCPD is already looking to identify and prosecute people based on the photos and surveillance tape (http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/116974). Unless they paid for that $800 HDTV in cash, they should expect a talking to. That should narrow down more than a few people. Oh, and the tape won't be *quite* as blurry when they are strolling OUT of the store with purchase in hand as opposed to running in.

[sailor]

nothing will come of it.

[SatCam]

The NCPD is already looking to identify and prosecute people based on the photos and surveillance tape (http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/116974). Unless they paid for that $800 HDTV in cash, they should expect a talking to. That should narrow down more than a few people. Oh, and the tape won't be *quite* as blurry when they are strolling OUT of the store with purchase in hand as opposed to running in.

so everyone who got a tv stepped on this guy?

[NewYorkDragons80]

so everyone who got a tv stepped on this guy?

Not everyone, but the biggest bargains are the ones that people would be first in line for, and the people who were first in line were almost definitely there for a TV or other purchase of >$100. Based on a purchase that size, one can surmise that the purchase was made with a credit card. Now that they have a name, address, and phone #, they can at least talk to these guys and see if they can identify anyone from the pictures or maybe they match a photo themselves. Anyone who waited since Thanksgiving evening was there for 4 or 5 things whose price was cut in half, and there was maybe 20 of each in the store. If they go through the purchases, they can find some of these fuckers or get leads to others.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Not everyone, but the biggest bargains are the ones that people would be first in line for, and the people who were first in line were almost definitely there for a TV or other purchase of >$100. Based on a purchase that size, one can surmise that the purchase was made with a credit card. Now that they have a name, address, and phone #, they can at least talk to these guys and see if they can identify anyone from the pictures or maybe they match a photo themselves. Anyone who waited since Thanksgiving evening was there for 4 or 5 things whose price was cut in half, and there was maybe 20 of each in the store. If they go through the purchases, they can find some of these fuckers or get leads to others.

Unless they have crystal clear surveillance and know exactly when a deathblow came, getting anyone for more than assault and battery is going to be EXTREMELY hard.

[Stankfoot]

I blame WalMart - I went to Best Buy last year which was very orderly but I got on too late to get what I wanted. There was a Walmart nearby and I went over there. WalMart had no employees outside - no rope or designated line area, nothing. By the time the doors opened the line swelled at the front because no one was there to control it. There was a stampede for the door that was similar to the one where the guy died. If they had spent a few bucks to set up like Best Buy there would not have been a problem.