As if another reason was needed to hate Wal Mart

[El Mudo]

Let's build Super Wal Marts on Civil War battlefields!! (http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1208/574491.html)

Opponents have declared war on the retail giant's proposal to build a 145,000 square foot store right next to the historic Wilderness Battlefield, one of several of its kind in the historic area. "This is what we consider hallowed ground," said Craig Rains of Friends of Wilderness Battlefield. "When you get a commercial property development like that, it destroys the feeling of this hallowed ground."

And lets not forget


Wal-Mart currently has five other stores in the area, including one going up in nearby Stafford County.

Is it really fucking necessary to build a giant fucking Wal Mart next to the battlefield? If anyone here is familiar with Route 3 in that area, its ALREADY a traffic nightmare because its only two lanes on either side.

These places are national shrines, but I guess it really doesn't matter in the end if it means I can keep getting shitty electronics and products for 10 bucks

Fuck you Wal Mart...good men DIED and were burned ALIVE on that field

In a statement, Wal-Mart declared, "we're definitely committed to this site." They added, "we're cognizant of (the battlefield issue) and planning to put in appropriate buffers."

How? Giant walls? Is the Wal Mart going to be in a bubble? Is it only going to be accessible through the air? Underground perhaps?

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here


Too bad it already has...and all in the name one stop shopping :wallbash::wallbash:

[El Mudo]

Helpful website/petition thing (http://action.walmartwatch.com/page/speakout/wilderness)

[Jujubees2]

Absolutely despise Wal Mart and would drive 30 miles out of the way to go to another store. Thank God NYC does not have one and probably never will.

[DarkHippie]

This is very disrespectful to our history and to the people who died there. I will gladly sign that petition.

[KingGeno]

Absolutely despise Wal Mart and would drive 30 miles out of the way to go to another store. Thank God NYC does not have one and probably never will.

Yet everyone says that, and they pop up like a pimple on the earth.

You know that NY will eventually have some super store. Don't lie to yourself.

Maybe they will slay D'Agastinos.

[NewYorkDragons80]

Absolutely despise Wal Mart and would drive 30 miles out of the way to go to another store. Thank God NYC does not have one and probably never will.

And yet they have Target

[JerseyRich]

Absolutely despise Wal Mart and would drive 30 miles out of the way to go to another store. Thank God NYC does not have one and probably never will.

Never say never.

They are the most evil retailer of all time. They could find a way.

[JerseyRich]

And yet they have Target

The two are not comparable.

[booster11373]

Never say never.

They are the most evil retailer of all time. They could find a way.

I heard they had a guy killed in LI over the weekend

[Death Metal Moe]

I don't think Wal Mart should build right next to the place, especially if there are a lot of them around, but sorry, I shop there. They have good prices on some shit, so they get my money.

[Aggie]

I don't think Wal Mart should build right next to the place, especially if there are a lot of them around, but sorry, I shop there. They have good prices on some shit, so they get my money.

Yeah, I know they do some evil crap but there is no comparison on their prices. You should see how much the grocery store charges for neccesities. We buy our groceries there and save a crap load of money. Sorry, we're not rich, we save where we can.

[GvacMobile]

I don't think Wal Mart should build right next to the place, especially if there are a lot of them around, but sorry, I shop there. They have good prices on some shit, so they get my money.

I know convenience and price are what drives most consumers, but that's a bad way to think Moe. These corporations run the country, and it's because the majority of people think like you do. They come into a town, run everyone out of business (from the local hardware store to the local pharmacy to the local electronics store) and then pay a ton of people part time money with no benefits. They're crippling the country and the American dream.

I can't support places like Wal Mart, Lowe's, Home Depot, Bottle King, etc. They've killed the idea of owning your own business in this country, unless you're a multi-billion dollar company opening another location.

[El Mudo]

I'm not against the idea of business, nor am I against the idea of Wal Mart doing business

I am opposed to the idea of Wal Mart building a giant Super Centre on hallowed ground. I am opposed to the idea of Wal Mart building a giant Super Centre when there are already 5 Wal Marts in the county itself, and another at this moment going up in Stafford County. I am opposed to the effect this will have not only on traffic and pedestrians travelling around the fields (it almost CERTAINLY means they will widen Route 3).

There aren't many things in this country we can call uniquely "American" and celebrate our history, at least when compared to Europe and Asia. How am I supposed to take my kid there in 10-15 years or so, and show him/tell him of the stories and the ideals and principles that make up his character as an American when we're too busy ducking out of the way of giant SUVs loading up on groceries?

Manassas used to be a BEAUTIFUL place, and now its a forlorn green oasis in the middle of suburban northern Virginia hell. I don't want to lose history and culture and pride for a Wal Mart or an Applebees so it can become just another place that looks tastes, smells and thinks just like the rest of socially acceptable America.

[KatPw]

I know convenience and price are what drives most consumers, but that's a bad way to think Moe. These corporations run the country, and it's because the majority of people think like you do. They come into a town, run everyone out of business (from the local hardware store to the local pharmacy to the local electronics store) and then pay a ton of people part time money with no benefits. They're crippling the country and the American dream.

I can't support places like Wal Mart, Lowe's, Home Depot, Bottle King, etc. They've killed the idea of owning your own business in this country, unless you're a multi-billion dollar company opening another location.

Exactly. I'd rather pay a bit more (and cut back on something I don't need) that ever spend a dime in a Wal-Mart. I try to avoid Home Depot like the plaque. I had quite a few friends lose jobs (and their own businesses) when Home Depot came to town. I'm sure Wal-Mart is convenient, and cheaper. But I do not want to live in a world that is filled with only big box stores, which is essentially the goal of these corporations.

[sailor]

wouldn't it be more realistic to be upset at whoever sold them the land or the local government that zoned it for business?

[JerseyRich]

wouldn't it be more realistic to be upset at whoever sold them the land or the local government that zoned it for business?

The local government actually PAYS WalMart to come to their towns. And then gives them HUGE tax breaks.

It doesn't make any sense.

Netflix this Documentary. It's very informative:
http://www.mediarights.org/news/articles/walmartmovie.jpg

[donnie_darko]

i've never gotten the importance of battlefields.

unless there are mass graves or something, then sure, but just cause a bunch of people shot a whole bunch of other people in an open area i can't purchase my rockband? fuck that.

[JerseyRich]

Another Very Informative Site (http://walmartwatch.com/)

[yojimbo7248]

I don't know. I have mixed feelings. On one hand, Wal-mart doesn't seem to give a rats ass about destroying historical landmarks or sucking the life out of the city centers of medium size towns. On the other hand, they employ Crazed and keep him off the streets.

[JerseyRich]

I don't know. I have mixed feelings. On one hand, Wal-mart doesn't seem to give a rats ass about destroying historical landmarks or sucking the life out of the city centers of medium size towns. On the other hand, they employ Crazed and keep him off the streets.

Damn. Now I'm torn too. You make a very convincing argument.

[oh_kee_pa]

over reaction...
unfortunately you are in the minority...
it doesn't make you wrong, but dont act like your attitude makes it right, because you want to bring your kid there in 10 years.

Business are not forced to close, they are unable to adapt and conform and therefor can not survive... just like animals in the wild... if you can't adapt you can't live...
I know many people who own small business on Long Island... they changed there business strategy and figured out what there customers want to keep them from going to Walmart

Walmart does 350 billion dollars a year, they save people tons of money, plus they employee hundreds of thousands...
In the end, big box retailers are good for this country, just like all the other large corporations born in the u.s.

[JerseyRich]

over reaction...
unfortunately you are in the minority...
it doesn't make you wrong, but dont act like your attitude makes it right, because you want to bring your kid there in 10 years.

Business are not forced to close, they are unable to adapt and conform and therefor can not survive... just like animals in the wild... if you can't adapt you can't live...
I know many people who own small business on Long Island... they changed there business strategy and figured out what there customers want to keep them from going to Walmart

Walmart does 350 billion dollars a year, they save people tons of money, plus they employee hundreds of thousands...
In the end, big box retailers are good for this country, just like all the other large corporations born in the u.s.

Oh dear.

:wallbash:

[GvacMobile]

Sounds great in theory, oh kee pa, but it's not a reality. The 'adapt or die' school of thought is like telling an unarmed man to take on an army.

Are the people you know who own small businesses in competition with Wal Mart or totally unrelated fields?

[PapaBear]

This will suck. I used to drive past Wilderness Battleground when I went to district meetings and had to drive from Charlottesville to Fredericksburg. It was already at risk back in 1999. I'd hate to see how the area has been ruined since then.

[spot]

Sent..having grown up in the area, this is very important to me. Thanks for starting this thread, I had no idea.

[epo]

Walmart is awful.

[Foster]

Think about it
If there were more Walmarts then the crowds won't be as big as they were on Black Friday.

If they can double the amount of stores by next year we can avoid the tragedy of this year

[Gvac]

And as for the petition? Signed, sealed, and delivered.

[Thomas Merton]

Aesthetically, they are soul sucking, overly lit black holes filled with unwashed like me that define our bland, corporate driven culture.

But I dont understand the romantic notion of mom and pop stores that sell a hammer for five bucks that I could buy for half that at the big store. I'll save money that I'll spend elsewhere.

It aint 1890 anymore

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Social Darwinistic philosophy applied to contemporary business practices doesn't hold water even if you weren't completely missing the point of this thread oh kee. The point is that the Wal-mart is fucking raping hallowed ground where thousands of our countrymen died, and that people are reacting to that. If you think that somehow a Walmart being built on a battleground is just an example of the strong businessmen surviving, then you are sorely mistaken. Please try and read El Mudo's posts in this thread to have a better understanding before you try and play Devil's Advocate on a messageboard.

[KatPw]

Aesthetically, they are soul sucking, overly lit black holes filled with unwashed like me that define our bland, corporate driven culture.

But I dont understand the romantic notion of mom and pop stores that sell a hammer for five bucks that I could buy for half that at the big store. I'll save money that I'll spend elsewhere.

It aint 1890 anymore

If the item you buy at a big box store is cheaper than it would be at a mom and pop store it is either because the item is of poorer quality, or was made in another country by what is essentially slave labor. It is also about keeping the money in the community, and building a relationship with people in your community. And in terms of other types of stores, like clothing stores, home furnishing stores etc, I know that many of the items I get at mom and pop stores are unique. I'm not into having what everyone else has, I like finding that unusual ring, interesting serving bowl, etc. If my only shopping choices were big box stores, it would be very boring.

[Gvac]

If the item you buy at a big box store is cheaper than it would be at a mom and pop store it is either because the item is of poorer quality, or was made in another country by what is essentially slave labor. It is also about keeping the money in the community, and building a relationship with people in your community. And in terms of other types of stores, like clothing stores, home furnishing stores etc, I know that many of the items I get at mom and pop stores are unique. I'm not into having what everyone else has, I like finding that unusual ring, interesting serving bowl, etc. If my only shopping choices were big box stores, it would be very boring.

I like you, KatPw. A lot.

Another reason the hammer costs a few bucks more at the Mom and Pop store is deregulation. The small store may only be able to order 20 hammers at a time, whereas Home Depot can order 2,000 and get a far better price from the manufacturer.

It's not survival of the fittest, but of the richest.

And CCC's right; the point of this thread isn't to debate corporations vs. small business, it's about stopping Wal Mart from building on a truly historic piece of land in American history.

[JerseyRich]

If the item you buy at a big box store is cheaper than it would be at a mom and pop store it is either because the item is of poorer quality, or was made in another country by what is essentially slave labor. It is also about keeping the money in the community, and building a relationship with people in your community. And in terms of other types of stores, like clothing stores, home furnishing stores etc, I know that many of the items I get at mom and pop stores are unique. I'm not into having what everyone else has, I like finding that unusual ring, interesting serving bowl, etc. If my only shopping choices were big box stores, it would be very boring.

Hello Exactly.

[PapaBear]

If the item you buy at a big box store is cheaper than it would be at a mom and pop store it is either because the item is of poorer quality, or was made in another country by what is essentially slave labor. It is also about keeping the money in the community, and building a relationship with people in your community. And in terms of other types of stores, like clothing stores, home furnishing stores etc, I know that many of the items I get at mom and pop stores are unique. I'm not into having what everyone else has, I like finding that unusual ring, interesting serving bowl, etc. If my only shopping choices were big box stores, it would be very boring.
I'm definitely not defending the big box stores here, but for the most part, the items are the same at the big box and the mom and pop store. The big box can sell them cheaper because they buy at such an enormous volume.

My petition has been signed and sent. I like this petition better than the useless online petitions, because it sends it directly to the politicians that can do something about it.

[Death Metal Moe]

I'm so fucking sick of you stuck up assholes giving me shit for daring to find the best price for my hard earned money.

Wal Mart didn't kill the American dream. It may have helped alter it, but it isn't dead.

Ya know what a small business can offer that Wal Mart can't? Individual attention to each customer and specialized customer service. And a lot of people I know still go to small stores for such things. The personal touch.

Example:

I could have bought my new tires from Wal Mart, Tirerack.com or one of the other "Evil" businesses that get blamed for all sorts of shit. I chose to get them from a local guy who I use for almost all my RV tire needs. He bought from my RV company so I in turn pull every tire I can from him and send him outside customers. I use him because I know that if one of my tires fails, he will stand behind it. It's personal interaction that makes the small business work these days. I know that if in 20K miles I have a blowout a big company will give me the run around so I paid a little more from Dave to get tires from him.

Some businesses that were just contect to be "The only game in town" for whatever service they offered just sat back and offered nothing extra but "products" and got taken out by a larger company that could outsell them. You can't just exist, you have to change and offer new things. So sorry, the "Mom and Pop" hardware store that sold an Estwing for 40 dollars got dickslapped by Home Depot where I can get it for 25 dollars.

Now I'm the badguy for finding the best price for my hard earned dollar? Go shit in your fucking hat.

Now Best Buy is evil for closing your local electronics store?

Now Kohls is evil for closing your local clothing store?

Things change, just ask The Blowhard. He's been hating it for decades.

[Death Metal Moe]

Also, people aren't stupid. They understand that certian companies make products specifically for retailers like Home Depot and Wal Mart with inferior parts and less expensive components. The phrase "Home Depot Cheapo" didn't invent itself. Also, next time you think that Wal Mart sale is so great, check the model online. You'll find that it's only sold at Wal Mart and was probably made with cheap shit to give it a cheaper price.

But people understand this, and when you're not willing to chance it with a cheaper version of something you go to another store that sells the product you're looking for. That is also a roll the smaller business can fill.

There's PLENTY of places to succeed in America, you can't just keep walking down the same path where all the stores closed up. You may have to forge a new path. Probably kinda scary, but I thought taking chances was part of owning your own business.

[ozzie]

Is the proposed site "ON" the battlefield site, or "NEAR" it?

Either way, good luck with this.

I live next to the small, bay side town of Fairhope, AL, that prided itself on their small, mom and pop "downtown" shops, and they formed a very organized protest in 2006 (http://walmartwatch.com/battlemart/archives/fairhope_al_citizens_create_chain_against_chains_i n_wal_mart_battle/) to try to keep Wal-Mart from building a mile out of town.

I now pass this Wal-Mart every day.

As far as Wal-Mart promising to leave a "buffer", they were only allowed to build in another near-by town of Daphne, AL, if they agreed that it wouldn't be an "eyesore", and not be visible from the road.

Believe it or not, they did it. And did it well.

There is a natural "buffer", probably 50 yards deep of un-touched trees and underbrush, all along the highway in front of their property, and along each side, and 2 small two-lane entrance/exits, and one small sign at the main entrance, the TOP of which is probably no more than 8 feet off of the ground.

The entrances end at a "T", with another layer of "buffer zone", and you can turn left or right. A few more yards, and it opens up into the parking lot, but you can not see the building or parking lot until you make the turn.

Honestly, if you're not local, or knew where these roads lead, you would never know it was even back there.

Sure, at night there is a glow from the parking lot lights back there at night which gives it away.... but, really, who visits battlefields at night anyway?

Seeing how the proposed area in this case is the "Wilderness Battlefield", I'm pretty sure a "natural" buffer is what they are referring to, and not some huge wall.

This is y'all's area, not mine, so I wish you luck, and hope this works out for you.

And what the hell. If y'all don't want this in your area, and need help keeping it out, I'd be glad to sign your petition.

[A.J.]

Manassas used to be a BEAUTIFUL place

Then Fez moved away.

[Drew85]

Why do they need to build more walmarts esp if there's enough in that area.

[Zorro]

I'm not against the idea of business, nor am I against the idea of Wal Mart doing business

I am opposed to the idea of Wal Mart building a giant Super Centre on hallowed ground. I am opposed to the idea of Wal Mart building a giant Super Centre when there are already 5 Wal Marts in the county itself, and another at this moment going up in Stafford County. I am opposed to the effect this will have not only on traffic and pedestrians travelling around the fields (it almost CERTAINLY means they will widen Route 3).

There aren't many things in this country we can call uniquely "American" and celebrate our history, at least when compared to Europe and Asia. How am I supposed to take my kid there in 10-15 years or so, and show him/tell him of the stories and the ideals and principles that make up his character as an American when we're too busy ducking out of the way of giant SUVs loading up on groceries?

Manassas used to be a BEAUTIFUL place, and now its a forlorn green oasis in the middle of suburban northern Virginia hell. I don't want to lose history and culture and pride for a Wal Mart or an Applebees so it can become just another place that looks tastes, smells and thinks just like the rest of socially acceptable America.


Mis-directed anger. You should be complaining to the town. They set the zoning laws.

and there is a Wal-Mart in New York City...if you count Staten Island

[scottinnj]

The two are not comparable.

Yeah they are. They have the same business model, it's just that WalMart's been at it longer so they have more stores.

They are for all intents and purposes, doing the same thing.

[El Mudo]

Update (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ju5GEGFl123roSBDTRCBd0-kV-FgD9A9NPNG0)


ORANGE, Va. — Officials in central Virginia approved a Walmart Supercenter early Tuesday near one of the nation's most important Civil War battlefields, a proposal that had stirred opposition by preservationists and hundreds of historians.

The Orange County Board of Supervisors voted 4-1 to grant the special permit to the world's biggest retailer after a majority of more than 100 speakers said they favored bringing the Walmart to Locust Grove, within a cannonball's shot from the Wilderness Battlefield.

Historians and Civil War buffs are fearful the Walmart store will draw traffic and more commerce to an area within the historic boundaries of the Wilderness, where generals Ulysses S. Grant and Robert E. Lee first met in battle 145 years ago and where 145,000 Union and Confederate soldiers fought and more than 29,000 were killed or injured. One-fourth of the Wilderness is protected.

But they could not sway supervisors, who said they didn't see the threat.

"I cannot see how there will be any visual impact to the Wilderness Battlefield," Supervisor Chairman Lee Frame said, casting a vote for the special use permit the retailer needs to build. "I think the current proposal ... is the best way to protect the battlefield."


As a sidebar, this lady could have possibly the most unfortunate name ever:

Many residents cited three reasons for supporting the Walmart proposal: jobs, tax revenue and a cheap shopping option for the 32,000 residents of this farming community about 60 miles southwest of Washington.

"I know we've been referred to as ignorant shoppers," said Barbara Wigger. "I feel bad about that but I'll live with it. Let us have our Walmart and let us stop the battle."

[boosterp]

Another reason I hate Walmart. Sam Walton is cursing from the clouds.

[yojimbo7248]

Update (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ju5GEGFl123roSBDTRCBd0-kV-FgD9A9NPNG0)





As a sidebar, this lady could have possibly the most unfortunate name ever:

I just got back from visiting my family in an ugly little 'city'/'town'/'suburb' called Roseville outside of Sacramento. It is nothing but strip malls with the same combination of Walmart, Home Depot, Old Navy, Target, etc. that I have seen in every other corner of the country. The residential areas are in ugly little organized communities in which the houses are all identical and feet apart from each other. It's just depressing how we Americans are allowing city planners, Walmart, developers to bulldoze over any trace of regional character and replace it with this same soulless suburb. Our country is getting blander and uglier every year and the majority of people seem fine with it.

[underdog]

I just got back from visiting my family in an ugly little 'city'/'town'/'suburb' called Roseville outside of Sacramento. It is nothing but strip malls with the same combination of Walmart, Home Depot, Old Navy, Target, etc. that I have seen in every other corner of the country. The residential areas are in ugly little organized communities in which the houses are all identical and feet apart from each other. It's just depressing how we Americans are allowing city planners, Walmart, developers to bulldoze over any trace of regional character and replace it with this same soulless suburb. Our country is getting blander and uglier every year and the majority of people seem fine with it.

EVERY Suburb looks like that now. It's terrible.

[topless_mike]

It's just depressing how we Americans are allowing city planners, Walmart, developers to bulldoze over any trace of regional character and replace it with this same soulless suburb. Our country is getting blander and uglier every year and the majority of people seem fine with it.

lets not even start with the culinary aspect of it.
its sad when you want to go for some good southern cookin or new england chowda and there's a fucking olive garden and outback.

[underdog]

lets not even start with the culinary aspect of it.
its sad when you want to go for some good southern cookin or new england chowda and there's a fucking olive garden and outback.

It's everywhere. I work 30 miles outside of Boston and its nearly impossible to find a non-chain restaurant.

[yojimbo7248]

I asked my dad how much those houses go for in those horrible planned communities, assuming they must be dirt cheap, and they were surprisingly expensive. You could easily get an apartment in downtown Sacramento for much less. Why people would want to live in suburban hell rather than a city center just confuses me.

[Boogie in Va]

A number of years ago, Richmond wanted to build a Ukrops (grocery store) and other stores on a tract of land that was covered in Civil War earth works. The historians lost the battle and the center was built. A small piece of land was fenced off to show some of the earth works. Killed history so people could shop.

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[underdog]

I asked my dad how much those houses go for in those horrible planned communities, assuming they must be dirt cheap, and they were surprisingly expensive. You could easily get an apartment in downtown Sacramento for much less. Why people would want to live in suburban hell rather than a city center just confuses me.

Because people have awful taste.

And if you live in the city, you can't be a republican and you don't know anything about values. And cities are really, really, really dangerous. SCARESCARESCARE

[Caseyelan]

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[IMSlacker]

Walmart has awfully low prices.

So true.

[foodcourtdruide]

I just got back from visiting my family in an ugly little 'city'/'town'/'suburb' called Roseville outside of Sacramento. It is nothing but strip malls with the same combination of Walmart, Home Depot, Old Navy, Target, etc. that I have seen in every other corner of the country. The residential areas are in ugly little organized communities in which the houses are all identical and feet apart from each other. It's just depressing how we Americans are allowing city planners, Walmart, developers to bulldoze over any trace of regional character and replace it with this same soulless suburb. Our country is getting blander and uglier every year and the majority of people seem fine with it.

Here's a really good essay on postmodernism:
http://www.colorado.edu/English/courses/ENGL2012Klages/pomo.html

You may interested in it. I think Walmart is a great example of post-modernism, and I post-modernism goes hand and hand with capitalism.

[El Mudo]

A number of years ago, Richmond wanted to build a Ukrops (grocery store) and other stores on a tract of land that was covered in Civil War earth works. The historians lost the battle and the center was built. A small piece of land was fenced off to show some of the earth works. Killed history so people could shop.

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That's pretty common around that area....I think most of the area that was part of the Battle of the Crater (the early battle scenes in Cold Mountain) is now part of a golf course.

[yojimbo7248]

Here's a really good essay on postmodernism:
http://www.colorado.edu/English/courses/ENGL2012Klages/pomo.html

You may interested in it. I think Walmart is a great example of post-modernism, and I post-modernism goes hand and hand with capitalism.

thanks, I'll definitely read it.

[underdog]

Here's a really good essay on postmodernism:
http://www.colorado.edu/English/courses/ENGL2012Klages/pomo.html

You may interested in it. I think Walmart is a great example of post-modernism, and I post-modernism goes hand and hand with capitalism.

Those colors are terrible.

[foodcourtdruide]

Those colors are terrible.

It made me want starbursts! I was obsessed with postmodernism (to hyphen or not to hyphen) during college. You see evidence of postmodern thought so many places in media, it's pretty incredible.

The way I like to explain postmodernism is:

In postmodernism a work of art becomes cheaply reproduced, which devalues the original. However, more people are able to enjoy the fabrications.

[topless_mike]

i wonder what mojo's opinion on this would be...

[Sinestro]

Whoppeee....now all those people that want to preserve history know how the Native Americans felt when the colonists then the United States of America started building on the Native American's sacred land. It's all about perspective or in the name of progress.

[One Dead Fred]

I heard the early christian church would build a church on any sacred rock or grove the pagans worshiped so they could show they were mightier than the rock or bush. Walmart seems to be doing this but with our national treasures, including small businesses. We will all be under one corporation soon enough and then no worries...

[TripleSkeet]

In the end, big box retailers are good for this country, just like all the other large corporations born in the u.s.

I couldnt disagree more. Big corporations and the way they do business is why this country is on the fucking downslide.

[SonOfSmeagol]

I think Stonewall Jackson’s arm is buried near there, so maybe they can call it “StoneWalMart”.

[Crispy123]

I think Stonewall Jackson’s arm is buried near there, so maybe they can call it “StoneWalMart”.

swing and a miss!

:wink:

[sailor]

A number of years ago, Richmond wanted to build a Ukrops (grocery store) and other stores on a tract of land that was covered in Civil War earth works. The historians lost the battle and the center was built. A small piece of land was fenced off to show some of the earth works. Killed history so people could shop.

how does that kill history? is it also being erased from history books? let's not get overly-dramatic folks.

[PapaBear]

El Mudo fights the power. AND WINS! (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/26/AR2011012600602.html)

Wal-Mart spokesman William C. Wertz said the decision to abandon the Wilderness site came after several corporate deliberations over balancing economic and preservation concerns.
"We just felt it was the right thing to do," Wertz said. He said the retailer would seek another site in Orange County.
Hundreds of historians, including Pulitzer Prize winner James McPherson, as well as filmmaker Ken Burns and actor Robert Duvall had appealed to Wal-Mart to find another place to build in the county of less than 35,000 people.
"I hope this sends a message not only to Wal-Mart but to other developers that the preservation community is willing to fight for historic sites," said Robert Rosenbaum, an attorney for residents and the preservation group.
:clap:

[Snacks]

The WalMart near me is expanding by 17,000 sq ft to become a super Walmart open 24 hours a day, sell wine and beer as well as a full grocery store with a deli counter. The funny thing is they just built the fucker like 5-7 years ago!

[Judge Smails]

Even Robert E. Lee is a slave to Walmart's LOW, LOW prices!

http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/2400.jpg

[Kris10]

This reminds me I have a $30 gift card to Walmart. Why someone would give me one I still have no idea.

[hanso]

The WalMart near me is expanding by 17,000 sq ft to become a super Walmart open 24 hours a day, sell wine and beer as well as a full grocery store with a deli counter. The funny thing is they just built the fucker like 5-7 years ago!

The super one came first here. Then a small one. I go to the small one. It is foods based for the most part.

[El Mudo]

El Mudo fights the power. AND WINS! (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/26/AR2011012600602.html)

:clap:

Good deal.

Looks like they didn't want to take the PR hit, especially since the sesquicentennial stuff all starts this year.

[epo]

This reminds me I have a $30 gift card to Walmart. Why someone would give me one I still have no idea.

They want you to see the falling prices? Or maybe they want you to obtain $30 of cheap crap to bring into your abode?

[sailor]

I honestly think this was a silly fight.