Global Warming!!!

[CHUCKWAGONCOOK]

The Most Terrifying Video you will ever see.

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[ryno1974]

Great post. I have added it to my facebook, hopefully it will spread.

[scottinnj]

I'm not all the way on board with this guy, but I'm glad he said what he said. Provoking and thought-producing.

I hope everyone thinks real hard about this one.

[spankyfrank]

psh thats not a scary video, apparently you haven't seen the laughing german midget video

[midwestjeff]

He basically uses Pascal's Wager to conclude that humans must act to stop global warming.

Replace God's existence with Global Climate Change and replace believing/not-believing with acting/not acting.

The end result is that there is less overall "cost" to acting, whether G.C.C. is real or not.

Good stuff, ChuckWagon.

[Annie Waits]

I myself will put me in the "NO" and "False"columns. I kinda believe that the hole in the Ozone is a naturally occurring gaseous event that will get smaller and/or larger as it does it's own thing. And we as people have nothing to do with it.

I also have a UFOlogy website. So there you go. Take what you want from it.

There's a pretty neat article on Ice Circles on my site. Check it out.

I thought this was my account. Looks like it's my Gals. Sorry sweetie. Galactic Defense.com (http://galacticdefense.com)

[midwestjeff]

I myself will put me in the "NO" and "False"columns.

But that's the argument.
The potential cost of being in those columns, regardless of what you believe,
is greater than the cost of being in the "yes" and "true" columns.

True or false is not really up for question.
Just the results being compared and then determining the best plan of action.

[Snoogans]

i would put myself in the id go along with yes but am too lazy to do anything about it myself

[Team_Ramrod]

This is harder to figure out than the Matrix...

What should I do?

[Snoogans]

This is harder to figure out than the Matrix...

What should I do?

buy an escalade

[Annie Waits]

But that's the argument.
The potential cost of being in those columns, regardless of what you believe,
is greater than the cost of being in the "yes" and "true" columns.

True or false is not really up for question.
Just the results being compared and then determining the best plan of action.
thank god we're on the same team.

[scottinnj]

I'm somewhere in the middle, but if you put yourself squarely in column A, like he said there may be a Global Depression as we switch from fossil fuels to renewable resources for our global energy needs.

But there is just as much potential there for a disaster and war. As an American, if we are able to leave behind OPEC and oil in general, I won't be caring about the Middle East blowing up in turmoil and having war and violence spreading from there to Europe. We won't have to get involved because it won't affect our national security.

As a human being it would disturb me greatly to see this happening and watching millions of innocent people get caught up in war because Saudia Arabia, Iraq and the UAE won't have customers to sell the only thing that brings in enough money to keep their citizens from overthrowing those respective governments. Then it will spill over into other regions who will still be needing their product, but will be unable to import it due to the various revolutions in the Middle East. And it'll be World War III, and by that time I'm afraid we'll be drawn back into another worldwide conflagration.

I'm thinking we just have to make a hard choice between which scenario is best for the USA, and if it's column A, we should be prepared to let the world burn and stay out of it as best as possible.

[KC2OSO]

This is the least convincing GCC logic argument I've come across in quite a while.
The gentleman's argument presupposes that GCC is potentially real. Before you interject/reply, understand that his logic bypasses that and leaps toward the quadrant he lays out. You cannot conduct this argument set without some facts. Really any eventuality that follows, GCC, meteor hit, sun burning out, aliens having landed, ...anything...can be argued for in this manner. This is tainted logic. His quadrant unfortunately neither makes nor does not make his point. Further, it fails to account logically for several politico-economic repercussions in the smiley quadrants but I won't get into those. I'd love to discuss them over a beer with any or all of you someday.

What really would have been frightening is if he said:

89% Pro Scientists: It's warmer out and we can prove it.
11% Con Scientists: It's colder out and we can prove it.

Now that would be frightening. Any conclusion he arrives at though requires some facts.

This is like the proving God exists/does not exist weed smoking argument. There is no proof that either God exists or does not exist. Only a dummy or someone who is high would get into this argument.

Pro: Well shit, I know a lady who saw Yaweh in her toast.
Con: Allah didn't answer my prayers today so I blew up a busload of people.

Frankly, I'm with Scott and probably with a lot of Dems in this regard. Get off the fossil fuels entirely - or as much as possible. Whatever it takes in investments, not bail-outs, find some way to get around that doesn't pollute. Invite a new era of public transportation projects that don't depend on fossil fuels.

[TigerWoods]

Im in the box where I do something about it. everytime I hit one of my massive bomb tee shots, I help cool the earth with the wind that comes off my ball as it goes through the air, 350 yards at a time motherfucker

[TooLowBrow]

why dont we use animal power anymore?

[Snoogans]

who cares, we'll all be dead

[TooLowBrow]

Im in the box where I do something about it. everytime I hit one of my massive bomb tee shots, I help cool the earth with the wind that comes off my ball as it goes through the air, 350 yards at a time motherfucker

havent you ever heard of a butterfly flapping its wings in africa and causing a hurricane here?


stupid

[scottinnj]

havent you ever heard of a butterfly flapping its wings in africa and causing a hurricane here?


stupid

I thought it went

"everytime an elephant farts in Africa, a forest burns in California"

or something like that.

[midwestjeff]

The gentleman's argument presupposes that GCC is potentially real. Before you interject/reply, understand that his logic bypasses that and leaps toward the quadrant he lays out. You cannot conduct this argument set without some facts.

Either G.C.C. exists or it doesn't.

That is his initial premiss.
He presupposes both and then weighs the consequences
of each based on human action or inaction.

It's not a scientific argument based on data, it is a philosophical argument based on reason.

[TooLowBrow]

i hope that we use solar power to build new wind farms and electric cars

[scottinnj]

Either G.C.C. exists or it doesn't.

That is his initial premiss.
He presupposes both and then weighs the consequences
of each based on human action or inaction.

It's not a scientific argument based on data, it is a philosophical argument based on reason.

Right.

I'm assuming this guy did a lot of research on his own before posting this video, and he came to the conclusion he did, and is just trying to explain his belief of what might happen in the future based on what he has come to a conclusion about.

Remember, he said that there should be a lot more columns then he had on the chart, and that he is simplifying things for sake of time in his video.

What I do like best about it, he doesn't come off as a screaming lunatic, nor does he accuse the believers in column "B" to be ignorant, greedy religious nuts. He is presenting his side of the debate in a rational, logical manner.

[scottinnj]

i hope that we use solar power to build new wind farms and electric cars

And to make hot asian robot girls.

[midwestjeff]

Right.

I'm assuming this guy did a lot of research on his own before posting this video, and he came to the conclusion he did, and is just trying to explain his belief of what might happen in the future based on what he has come to a conclusion about.

Remember, he said that there should be a lot more columns then he had on the chart, and that he is simplifying things for sake of time in his video.

What I do like best about it, he doesn't come off as a screaming lunatic, nor does he accuse the believers in column "B" to be ignorant, greedy religious nuts. He is presenting his side of the debate in a rational, logical manner.

Not everyone has an agenda. He is not so much presenting his side as he is weighing the possible outcomes of mankind's existence. It is bigger than republican/democrat.

The simplification is necessary for clarity.
You don't need 100 shades of green to say you like/dislike green.

It is not a political theory he is laying out, and you can't think about it that way.
He made a very simple, almost indestructible argument.

It's yes or no.

If yes, then what.

If no, then what.

"Then what" is act or don't act.

[scottinnj]

Not everyone has an agenda. He is not so much presenting his side as he is weighing the possible outcomes of mankind's existence. It is bigger than republican/democrat.

The simplification is necessary for clarity.
You don't need 100 shades of green to say you like/dislike green.

It is not a political theory he is laying out, and you can't think about it that way.
He made a very simple, almost indestructible argument.

It's yes or no.

If yes, then what.

If no, then what.

"Then what" is act or don't act.

Yes, we agree. I'm assuming my last post was too ambiguous. I do that, a lot, so I apologize.

[midwestjeff]

Yes, we agree. I'm assuming my last post was too ambiguous. I do that, a lot, so I apologize.

No need for apology, we can agree to agree.

I thought I read something in your post that wasn't there.

Let's go recycle some stuff.

[KC2OSO]

Right.

That's a big assumption. Ok if you can sleep with it/...

I'm assuming this guy did a lot of research on his own before posting this video, and he came to the conclusion he did, and is just trying to explain his belief of what might happen in the future based on what he has come to a conclusion about.

Remember, he said that there should be a lot more columns then he had on the chart, and that he is simplifying things for sake of time in his video.

What I do like best about it, he doesn't come off as a screaming lunatic, nor does he accuse the believers in column "B" to be ignorant, greedy religious nuts. He is presenting his side of the debate in a rational, logical manner.
No he's no lunatic but he needs to work on his arguing and fact skills. I really don't need this shit dummed down form me. Give me the whole deal. Show me the hidden columns. I have a big brain. I would expect a person from either side to accompany an argument with some facts.

As I mentioned, he presupposes GCC to be a possibility. It's right there for all to see up in A1. Ok. Back that up with some irrefutable, or at least debatable, geo-climatological data, then launch into the logic discourse.

Oops, none of that. We were debating logic right. Sorry.

So ok, if GCC is a foregone conclusion without any empirical proof just 'cause someone said so, I propose we prepare for a meteor hit and that we do it it NOW! If this is this is all just shit, ok I'll buy it. Right away because there is a way bigger probability of that. There is at least as much proof, if not more that a large scale meteor will hit earth. It has happened hundreds of times.

We should also prepare for tectonic separation of New York and Los Angeles with as much vigor. Don't you think people should evacuate those areas? Like right away! We need government programs to help these people! They are in danger! Danger I tell ya!!!

Even more pressing is the terrorist threat to our nation. People throwing shoes. Shoe bombers. People throwing shoes from the grassy knoll and the book suppository. It ain't right and we should do something about it.

[KC2OSO]

::intermission::

[midwestjeff]

He never says it is a forgone conclusion. Part of the gamble in the conclusion that he comes to (acting to prevent G.C.C.) is that it does not exist and we are thrown into a global recession or whatever due to the unnecessary preparation.

The rest of your shit can all be thrown into it's own table and evaluated that way.
The meteor, the plates shifting, and the terrorist threat.
But you are really just making a slippery slope argument there to refute his initial argument, so it is all nonsense when speaking of the issue at hand.

[sr71blackbird]

Humans are arrogant (http://www.worsleyschool.net/science/files/toiletpaper/history.html)

[midwestjeff]

Humans are arrogant (http://www.worsleyschool.net/science/files/toiletpaper/history.html)

Yeah, the earth is really old.

Does that mean that humans can't fuck it up for themselves?

[KC2OSO]

He never says it is a forgone conclusion.
Yes he does. He bases his whole argument on it in fact. He has to. Everything from point one onward is based on it .. which is why his argument falls apart (IMO).

GCC is just as possible as any other event in the way this guy presents it.

A good arguer (attorney) will present all the facts from all sides to make his case up front. That way, there is no way to refute him.
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Ah, fuckit. You'll have your opinion and I'll have mine. I respect that and you as well. Oddly. In the end, nothing we write here will change much except to possibly make us better friends. G'nite.

[KC2OSO]

Oh, and by the way, I do believe humans are the most arrogant as you define them. I pity the human race.

[midwestjeff]

Yes he does. He bases his whole argument on it in fact. He has to. Everything from point one onward is based on it .. which is why his argument falls apart (IMO).

GCC is just as possible as any other event in the way this guy presents it.

A good arguer (attorney) will present all the facts from all sides to make his case up front. That way, there is no way to refute him.
__________________________________________________ _____________________
Ah, fuckit. You'll have your opinion and I'll have mine. I respect that and you as well. Oddly. In the end, nothing we write here will change much except to possibly make us better friends. G'nite.

Alright, but I think you are over-complicating what he has laid out. He acknowledges that GCC may not exist and gives the potential scenarious for it not existing.

Anyway, I would say that the best thing to come out of this thread is that "GCC" can now stand beside "LOL", "FTW", and "SSWA".

GCC FTW

[patsopinion]

hes missing 2 key pieces of the argument with costs associated with yes column

specifically a direct increase in air quality;

now im a smoker, but when im not smoking, i like breathing in clean air, not that horrific shit that the chinese are pumping over and are trying to kill the west coast of the united states with



the other that if we do the things to help the climate; then we dont get to say i told you so to the fuck tards in the middle
being right about everything sucks if you prevent bad things from happening
its better to know the right answer, and then when watch everybody do the wrong thing, and be able to snicker at them while they light themselves on fire
waay less tension in this scenario

[cougarjake13]

it snowed in new orleans ... theres no such thing as global warming

[scottinnj]

...and be able to snicker at them while they light themselves on fire.....

It's hard to snicker while wearing a gasmask.


B E L I E V E ME! I've tried.

[Freakshow]

it snowed in new orleans ... theres no such thing as global warming

and vegas.

[ToiletCrusher]

I liked the part where he said the stuff about the things..


I do think that we as a species need to make a change to how we live our lives and I do think we do have a negative impact on our climate. However, the driving force should be simply to advance ourselves as a species. Make change not just because it will correct the climate but because it will enrich the lives of everyone.