I think I've figured out what the show has been missing lately

[furie]

As I sit here listening to the best of's from what i think was a show from around 01 or 02, I realized that the instant feedback really was an intrical part of the show the kept the pace up. And since Fez mostly ran the instant feedback, that kept him much more involved in conversations.

I think that if they brought back that feature it might make the show more enjoyable. Why did they stop the instant feedbacks?

[KatPw]

I think Paltalk replaced instant feedback.

[west milly Tom]

Paltalk sucks my nut. It is a hinderance on both shows.

[EliSnow]

When I first joined the board, I asked how to do the instant feedback. Someone said it didn't exist anymore, and I think that person said the boys didn't want it.

I do recall instant feedback bringing a lot of laughs, especially from Dan from Hoboken.

[west milly Tom]

Although I did meet a real hot paltalk chic once, Audball, but I digress. Paltalk sucks my nut.

[mikeyboy]

As I sit here listening to the best of's from what i think was a show from around 01 or 02, I realized that the instant feedback really was an intrical part of the show the kept the pace up. And since Fez mostly ran the instant feedback, that kept him much more involved in conversations.

I think that if they brought back that feature it might make the show more enjoyable. Why did they stop the instant feedbacks?

Are you sure Fez ran most of the instant feedback at WNEW? I wasn't aware that he did. At WJFK they used AIM for instant feedback, and Ron handled that.

[west milly Tom]

Dan from Hoboken didn't make it back after the firing of o&a, it was actually discussed on air once.

[drjoek]

FWIW ronandfez is the screen name for AIM as we all know and Ron seems to be logged on pretty regularly.
He never responds to my IM's but I don't blame him there.

[~Katja~]

Although I did meet a real hot paltalk chic once, Audball, but I digress. Paltalk sucks my nut.

I thought you just got out of an almost 6 year relationship... how long does paltalk exist already?

[furie]

Are you sure Fez ran most of the instant feedback at WNEW? I wasn't aware that he did. At WJFK they used AIM for instant feedback, and Ron handled that.

I know Ron handled the AIM, but just from what i'm getting the best of, it seems like fez is doing the feedbacks, which was though the wnew website, if i remember right. I never used it.

either way, i still think it kept the show moving

[Don Stugots]

i thought it was missing:

Al Dukes
Billy Staples
Mikey D

[smiler grogan]

i thought it was missing:

Al Dukes
Billy Staples
Mikey D

for me two outta three ain't bad. Mikey D wasn't my favorite.

[donnie_darko]

um, instant feedback? seriously? So i guess you didn't notice fez there ehhh?

What the show is missing is not instant feedback, do you think they need more hayseeds sending them messages?

I'm wondering if ron's comments of feeling trapped on the show are real, cause he's been slowly mentioning it more and more...The "Earl is my best friend" bit was hillarious...

[AKA]

Loved the instant feedback - they would do it even during the "Fastest Hour" days (not mentioning them on the air, but still writing back). Some great shit came out of that, and it was so open that anyone could jump in whenever.

Paltalk blows.

[Caseyelan]

as a paltalker, let me defend.
Paltalk DOES NOT SUCK.
it served a purpose WAY before ron and fez were using it in any capacity.
I was living in NC. I was completely alone on the top of a mountain surrounded by rednecks and racists. I signed on years upon years ago and made some NYC friends who shared my love of both shows.
At that time it wasn't about LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME. It was fucking fun.
I probably wouldn't have ever met dave or had my child if not for this devil Paltalk. While some of you might think that is lame.... I will defend it.
The shows use it in different ways and both have been funny IMO.
Why do people to feverishly hate change?
Why do people bitch about how great things were, when they hardly take stock of how great it is now?
Why is no one ever satisfied?

[KatPw]

Paltalk is what it is. Some people like it, some don't. There will never be a unanimous consensus regarding it.

[Caseyelan]

Paltalk is what it is. Some people like it, some don't. There will never be a unanimous consensus regarding it.

I agree kat, I just think people love to bash PT and while its not for everyone... It seems like a lot of people have no idea what it even is outside a way to watch debbie eat.

[NYHCmikeX]

The shows use it in different ways and both have been funny IMO.
Why do people to feverishly hate change?
Why do people bitch about how great things were, when they hardly take stock of how great it is now?
Why is no one ever satisfied?


So, Anthony ogling tits and repeating a joke Jimmy just made because he wasnt listening is funny? Getting chicks naked on the RADIO because PalTalk can see is good radio? Dave shoving things in his butt for the benefit of PTer's is golden? (at least his high pitched wails make it work for radio, but still) Inundating us with AWFUL pseudo-celebs like Crazed and Spandy is positive? The final hour of Ron and Fez's Friday shows has become unlistenable because they drag that sack of shit AJ Dynamite in every week now. Its terrible. I understand that Paltalk changed your life for the better, that's all cool, but it sucks a dick on the radio.

[KatPw]

a way to watch debbie eat.

I figured that alone would be the reason a lot of people like it!

[Caseyelan]

So, Anthony ogling tits and repeating a joke Jimmy just made because he wasnt listening is funny? Getting chicks naked on the RADIO because PalTalk can see is good radio? Dave shoving things in his butt for the benefit of PTer's is golden? (at least his high pitched wails make it work for radio, but still) Inundating us with AWFUL pseudo-celebs like Crazed and Spandy is positive? The final hour of Ron and Fez's Friday shows has become unlistenable because they drag that sack of shit AJ Dynamite in every week now. Its terrible. I understand that Paltalk changed your life for the better, that's all cool, but it sucks a dick on the radio.

Dude, I dunno what to tell you... you sound like the shows broke a promise to you.
Sorry you aren't enjoying yourself.

[realmenhatelife]

My only big complaint about paltalk is when paltalk drama makes it way onto the show, which is pretty rare. Thats not really even a criticism for paltalk, because I hate when board/party fights wind up on the air too. Any interaction between fans of the show, and the show and its fans is ultimately positive.

[PanterA]

Bring back the Instant Message Instant Feedbacks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fez never did Instant Feedbacks, to break that 3rd wall, he would use his own jokes and claim they were Instant Feedbacks. Just to keep the actual Instant Feedbacks coming in.

[mikeyboy]

So, Anthony ogling tits and repeating a joke Jimmy just made because he wasnt listening is funny? Getting chicks naked on the RADIO because PalTalk can see is good radio? Dave shoving things in his butt for the benefit of PTer's is golden? (at least his high pitched wails make it work for radio, but still) Inundating us with AWFUL pseudo-celebs like Crazed and Spandy is positive? The final hour of Ron and Fez's Friday shows has become unlistenable because they drag that sack of shit AJ Dynamite in every week now. Its terrible. I understand that Paltalk changed your life for the better, that's all cool, but it sucks a dick on the radio.

1. Your examples (Anthony, nakes chicks, dave putting things in his butt) all applty to O&A, not R&F
2. Ron met Crazed at an event. Crazed lead them to Spandy. the fact that they are on the air has nothing to do with Paltalk.
3. AJ they literally met in the park (cue People Ron Met in the Park). I'm pretty sure he's not on Paltalk. In fact, if it wasn't for the fact that he has mentioned his e-mail address a couple of times, I wouldn't even be sure he has a computer.

People who think Paltalk is ruining Ron & Fez are silly. It gets, at best a passing mention usually. Only some people get these passing mentions, but that really hasn't been a big change. The show has brought up inside jokes that only a few will get for years, long before they were introduced to Paltalk. As for stuff getting broadcast on Paltalk, it's never been "let's do this for Paltalk", it's always been to allow people to see certain things going on in studio if they want to. It hasn't made the stuff going on air more visual. It;'s the same stuff they've done in the past, but now instead of having to wait for pictures, people can see it happen in real time if they want to.

[mikeyboy]

to break that 3rd wall

4th

[A.J.]

Why do people to feverishly hate change?
Why do people bitch about how great things were, when they hardly take stock of how great it is now?
Why is no one ever satisfied?

Leave The Blowhard alone!

[mikeyboy]

My only big complaint about paltalk is when paltalk drama makes it way onto the show, which is pretty rare. Thats not really even a criticism for paltalk, because I hate when board/party fights wind up on the air too. Any interaction between fans of the show, and the show and its fans is ultimately positive.

The same complaint can be made about message boards, which might be a greater contributor to that kind of thing than Paltalk is.

[PanterA]

4thI dont know lawyer jargon

[angrymissy]

back in my day there were lemon trees as faaaaaaarrrr as the eye could see

[IamPixie]

The show has brought up inside jokes that only a few will get for years, long before they were introduced to Paltalk. As for stuff getting broadcast on Paltalk, it's never been "let's do this for Paltalk", it's always been to allow people to see certain things going on in studio if they want to. It hasn't made the stuff going on air more visual. It;'s the same stuff they've done in the past, but now instead of having to wait for pictures, people can see it happen in real time if they want to.

Ron and fez have always done the inside joke angle. Every person who listens to the show for the first time never knows who the fuck they're talking about right off the bat. I think that's one aspect that really draws you in initially. Like listening in on private phone conversation that has nothing to do with you. It's like a soap opera with ever changing characters and story lines. It always has been and always will be "inside"

[realmenhatelife]

The same complaint can be made about message boards, which might be a greater contributor to that kind of thing than Paltalk is.

Thats exactly what I'm saying. This isn't an issue about paltalk; its about alienation. A person not on paltalk is more likely to be annoyed by paltalk mentions, a person not on a board is more likely to be annoyed my board mentions. If there was no paltalk, or boards I'm sure people would feel alienated by regular callers or studio visitors. Its where a lot of the "Dave boxes out Fez" complaints come from.

I think people look at the show more as an organic relationship than an entertainment program that is engineered by the show staff, which is why these alienating factors get responded to so strongly. All content on the show should be thought of as presented by the show, instead of trying to get between me and the show.

[Caseyelan]

Thats exactly what I'm saying. This isn't an issue about paltalk; its about alienation. A person not on paltalk is more likely to be annoyed by paltalk mentions, a person not on a board is more likely to be annoyed my board mentions. If there was no paltalk, or boards I'm sure people would feel alienated by regular callers or studio visitors. Its where a lot of the "Dave boxes out Fez" complaints come from.

I think people look at the show more as an organic relationship than an entertainment program that is engineered by the show staff, which is why these alienating factors get responded to so strongly. All content on the show should be thought of as presented by the show, instead of trying to get between me and the show.

But by asking them to take out that element, you are kinda asking them to change the show format you love.

Double edged sword my friend.

[Aqualad]

Listening to the replays, I think what's missing is a hyperactive Fez. Old Fezzie used to laugh hysterically at everything...it was infectious.

[IamPixie]

Listening to the replays, I think what's missing is a hyperactive Fez. Old Fezzie used to laugh hysterically at everything...it was infectious.

My favorite is when fez laughs so hard that he loses his breath. It has me rolling every time.

[NYHCmikeX]

My favorite is when fez laughs so hard that he loses his breath. It has me rolling every time.

Like when Ron used to say something that could be interpreted another way and he starts going "You dont even realize what you're sayin man!"

I loved that bit too. That and "This duck still lie!"

[mikeyboy]

Like when Ron used to say something that could be interpreted another way and he starts going "You dont even realize what you're sayin man!"


After a long lay off, they brought that bit back in November with "Jim Nabors' nuts".

[NYHCmikeX]

After a long lay off, they brought that bit back in November with "Jim Nabors' nuts".

Really? I musta missed that one, stupid work. The Chinese guy and his duck didnt come back right?

Well, what the hell you waitin for? Post it, bitch!


disclaimer: MikeyBoy is in no way a bitch and your file library is excellent.

[realmenhatelife]

But by asking them to take out that element, you are kinda asking them to change the show format you love.

Double edged sword my friend.

I'm not asking them to take anything out of the show. I've come to the point that I said, Everything in the show is presented by the show team whom I am great fans of. I trust them to entertain me, and understand that it is unreasonable to act like the show needs to cater to me specifically. I do sympathize with people who hate paltalk, or the boards or any of that, but the adjustment needs to be made in the listener, not the show.

I think it also should be said that people need to realize the show needs to be interesting to the show staff, which is why so much inside stuff plays on the show. I like the energy that brings, and they are good about making sure things aren't so obtuse that they are unenjoyable.

[west milly Tom]

Liking Paltalk is the same as liking the Raiders, the people who like it love it, and everybody else thinks it stinks, which it does. I don't feel excluded by Paltalk, I could sign up and hit all the cool rooms. I just don't want to. I don't want either show to get rid of anything though, they run their own ships and I have nothing to do with it, but it slows down O&A big time, and R&F, well it just isn't anything positive there. But if you like it, great for you. Go Raiders.

[furie]

ok, we've taken this thread way off topic. This was not meant to be an anti-paltalk thread.

[GregoryJoseph]

furie read my mind. I was waiting until I got home to start a "bring back Instant Feedback" thread. The original IF was great; it wasn't AIM but rather a web based messaging system that went directly to WNEW's site, which both Ron and Fez monitored. The best thing about it was you could feedback anonymously or as any name you wanted without having to register. Half the time that was the joke. I'd Instant Feedback as Popeye, Brutus, Swati Patel, or whatever made the bit work.

Along with the phone calls, Instant Feedback really was an integral part of the show, as the Ron and Fez show has always been very fan friendly.

[drjoek]

furie read my mind. I was waiting until I got home to start a "bring back Instant Feedback" thread. The original IF was great; it wasn't AIM but rather a web based messaging system that went directly to WNEW's site, which both Ron and Fez monitored. The best thing about it was you could feedback anonymously or as any name you wanted without having to register. Half the time that was the joke. I'd Instant Feedback as Popeye, Brutus, Swati Patel, or whatever made the bit work.

Along with the phone calls, Instant Feedback really was an integral part of the show, as the Ron and Fez show has always been very fan friendly.

Imagine how many board Characters Gvac would have here if he had the same freedom here !


*shudder*

[midwestjeff]

I hadn't noticed that anything was missing.

[PatFromMoonachie]

as a paltalker, let me defend.
Paltalk DOES NOT SUCK.
it served a purpose WAY before ron and fez were using it in any capacity.
I was living in NC. I was completely alone on the top of a mountain surrounded by rednecks and racists. I signed on years upon years ago and made some NYC friends who shared my love of both shows.
At that time it wasn't about LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME. It was fucking fun.
I probably wouldn't have ever met dave or had my child if not for this devil Paltalk. While some of you might think that is lame.... I will defend it.
The shows use it in different ways and both have been funny IMO.
Why do people to feverishly hate change?
Why do people bitch about how great things were, when they hardly take stock of how great it is now?
Why is no one ever satisfied?


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/vollisgood/REGAN.jpg

..As silly as it may seem to some people I see both shows as their "art" and I ain't tellin Picasso where to put a nose! :blink:

[FezsAssistant]

So, Anthony ogling tits and repeating a joke Jimmy just made because he wasnt listening is funny? Getting chicks naked on the RADIO because PalTalk can see is good radio? Dave shoving things in his butt for the benefit of PTer's is golden? (at least his high pitched wails make it work for radio, but still) Inundating us with AWFUL pseudo-celebs like Crazed and Spandy is positive? The final hour of Ron and Fez's Friday shows has become unlistenable because they drag that sack of shit AJ Dynamite in every week now. Its terrible. I understand that Paltalk changed your life for the better, that's all cool, but it sucks a dick on the radio.

I'm anti-PalTalk on 202, but most of the comments above aren't accurate. ESD doesn't do that stuff for PalTalk. I don't have PalTalk and ESD's antics are radio gold.
O&A barely ever have naked women on the show, let alone to please PalTalkers. There's a different between doing something FOR PalTalk and doing something and making sure the PalTalk cameras are pointing that way.
I don't think Crazed, Spandy or AJ Dynamite have anything to do with R&F trying to please PalTalkers.

Don't forget Ron ogling mediocre looking chicks on there as well.

[GreatAmericanZero]

i listened off and on to R&F during the WNEW days (starting with listening to ronfez.com while waiting for Loveline to come on) and since they came on xm


the truth is, the show has never been better than it is now. I never loved the show as much as i do know. So by that standard, it can't be "missing something"

people only remember good stuff when they look back at anything they love, so it never holds up to memories, but the WNEW show was never as consistently funny as it is now. Were there some high points? Sure but there some high points now..but there were waaaaaaaaay more low points back in the day

[PanterA]

Pal Talk is a fantastic way to interact with the audience. Why would you want to take that away? I can only chalk it up to... Jealousy...night and day you torture me...

I only wish that when they do video for the pal talkers, that video would be recorded and able to be viewed later for us listener that cant be on Pal Talk during the show.

[Marc with a c]

i was about to write bringing back instant feedback would be pointless because the callers are awful and the feedback would be the same, but then i realized you can't send an instant feedback from a truck.
so maybe. but ron and or fez clearly don't want it so this is stupid.

also, paltalk is for jackers and jews.

[GreatAmericanZero]

Paltalk is so barely mentioned on the shows anymore (O&A never mention it anymore, Ron will make slight references, but he references ronfez.net way more and i dont hear people complaining)

Anyone who, in 2009 is still complaining about the shows revolving around paltalk are people with giant chips on their shoulder that they can't let go of. its not a relevant point anymore

[GreatAmericanZero]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/vollisgood/REGAN.jpg

..As silly as it may seem to some people I see both shows as their "art" and I ain't tellin Picasso where to put a nose! :blink:

thats my photoshop work!

[lleeder]

Ron will make slight references, but he references ronfez.net way more and i dont hear people complaining

I hate when he references ronfez.net. I never thought to complain but now that you bring it up. What a waste of time!!! I'm tired of hearing about those douches. Why should one part of the audience be seperate from the other part of the audience? Fuck Ronfez.net in its fuckhole. The mods there are mostly queer and power hungry too. They vote each other off for sport.

[Dell]

I liked when they used instant feedback. It seemed to help build the pyramids. I haven't noticed any negatives with PT but why does using PT mean that you cannot use IF?

[Stankfoot]

people only remember good stuff when they look back at anything they love, so it never holds up to memories, but the WNEW show was never as consistently funny as it is now.

I disagree

[PatFromMoonachie]

thats my photoshop work!

I don't remember if I got it off you directly or from Google Images ...anyway, nice work! :thumbup:

[GreatAmericanZero]

I don't remember if I got it off you directly or from Google Images ...anyway, nice work! :thumbup:

thanks, i was proud of it and posted it from time to time and never got a compliment for it

[PanterA]

people only remember good stuff when they look back at anything they love, so it never holds up to memories, but the WNEW show was never as consistently funny as it is now.That's got to be the most uninformed statement EVER posted on this site.

You need to go back and listen to not only the WNEW shows but also listen to the WJFK shows. Fezzy was constantly on fire, he never let his guard down and no one ever got a shot past him.

[GreatAmericanZero]

That's got to be the most uninformed statement EVER posted on this site.

You need to go back and listen to not only the WNEW shows but also listen to the WJFK shows. Fezzy was constantly on fire, he never let his guard down and no one ever got a shot past him.

im talking about the show as a whole, which is all the players and i think together it makes a funnier show

and i don't think fez is weak...he brings so much to the show. almost every xmas parody song was about fez, thats how important he is, all the best jokes are about him. I love 2008 Fezzie

[furie]

people only remember good stuff when they look back at anything they love, so it never holds up to memories,

dude, i wasn't reminiscing, i was listening to an old show today

[GreatAmericanZero]

dude, i wasn't reminiscing, i was listening to an old show today

yeah but a "best of", which means the best of everything theyve done. They play "mediocre ofs" from days where they didnt do anything special

[furie]

i think you are missing the point.
i didn't say the show suck now, i said that it was missing the component of instant feedbacks, which in my opinion added to the show. that's it. that was my whole statement.

[PanterA]

im talking about the show as a whole, which is all the players and i think together it makes a funnier show

and i don't think fez is weak...he brings so much to the show. almost every xmas parody song was about fez, thats how important he is, all the best jokes are about him. I love 2008 FezzieDude, seriously, go into the Ron and Fez big ass room in pal talk and listen to the WJFK shows. GAZ I love you, but you're wrong on this. Yes the show now is funny. Yes Dave adds alot to the show, but seriously Fez was on mother fuckin point. Not that he's weak now, but there are times where he just doesnt say ANYTHING. I DONT want to hear people making fun of Fez. I want to hear Fez rip into a mother fucker like he used to. Its not funny to me when Fez gets picked on all show by callers. I want to ring necks when I hear that shit.

[GreatAmericanZero]

i think you are missing the point.
i didn't say the show suck now, i said that it was missing the component of instant feedbacks, which in my opinion added to the show. that's it. that was my whole statement.

but, is not making the statement that "its missing a component" mean that you are comparing it to a predetermined thought of what the show should be based on your memories of what it used to be? I don't think thats fair to the show

[furie]

you are just arguing just for the sake of arguing at this point. I have explained my position. you just repeat the same thing over and over.

[scottinnj]

Imagine how many board Characters Gvac would have here if he had the same freedom here !


*shudder*

Hence the Gvac board character vote-off thread (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=75979).

Thinning the herd man, just thinning the herd

[JustJon]

Dan from Hoboken didn't make it back after the firing of o&a, it was actually discussed on air once.

It's been a few years, but I talked to Dan around the time they came to XM. I don't need to post all the details, but he just moved on with his life.

[Don Stugots]

im talking about the show as a whole, which is all the players and i think together it makes a funnier show

and i don't think fez is weak...he brings so much to the show. almost every xmas parody song was about fez, thats how important he is, all the best jokes are about him. I love 2008 Fezzie

Gaz, i need some of the kool aid you are drinking. The old R&F show used to keep me awake at night laughing. i would have to laugh into a pillow to keep quite. The BIGGEST laughs for me came from Fez. either his one liners or his laugh. when he would start laughing, i would laugh even more. Today, he is trapped in his own mind because of what ever is bothering him. i can do without the cast of characters, out side of Dave, Mooch and a few others.

[GreatAmericanZero]

Gaz, i need some of the kool aid you are drinking. The old R&F show used to keep me awake at night laughing. i would have to laugh into a pillow to keep quite. The BIGGEST laughs for me came from Fez. either his one liners or his laugh. when he would start laughing, i would laugh even more. Today, he is trapped in his own mind because of what ever is bothering him. i can do without the cast of characters, out side of Dave, Mooch and a few others.

and these days the show keeps me awake during work laughing.

i never got the concept of writing positive things about a show on a fansite is "drinking the kool-aid". I'd feel like a way bigger asshole if i complained about a show on their fansite that i post on all day long. I'm a Ron & Fez fan and I love the show and i post on the website that fans of their show go to talk about the show. I don't get why its looked down upon to support current directions of the show, i think its what we should be doing

[conman823]

Paltalk.....is.....horrible. For both shows. Instant feedback is GREAT for both shows.

instant Feedback is something the MAJORITY of listeners can get involved in by use of cellphone or internet.

Paltalk is just another part of a larger problem I've had with both show the last few years. it mostly caters to a small group of superfans, who for the most part apparently have nothing else to do with there lives then sit in front of a webcam. It derails shows because its is radio, not TV. I can't see whos flashing who, and I don't want to waste precious moments of my life staring like a 'tard at my computer screen when I could be actually doing something. Its just as bad as people losing there lives to World of Warcraft.

Not to shit on Paltalk completely, I also hate when we have to "listen" to people watch youtube videos. (Which in complete fairness is little to NEVER on the R&F show.)

A lot of "average listeners" like myself are voicing dislike over the use of Paltalk, and a lot of "superfans" especially if they are involved with the show personally are praising it.

".....and the beat goes on."

[PapaBear]

I'm curious about something. At WJFK they used AIM instead of Instant Feedback, and people kept bitching about it. I've never used IF. How is it better?

[conman823]

I'm curious about something. At WJFK they used AIM instead of Instant Feedback, and people kept bitching about it. I've never used IF. How is it better?

Back in the day to use AIM you had to be at a computer (like PT). With Instant Feedback you could text in from a cell if you wanted to. You never used IF, but if you ever for some reason DID want to you could just pick up your phone and text something in. Its more accessible to a wider range of listener.

[PapaBear]

Back in the day to use AIM you had to be at a computer (like PT). With Instant Feedback you could text in from a cell if you wanted to. You never used IF, but if you ever for some reason DID want to you could just pick up your phone and text something in. Its more accessible to a wider range of listener.
OH! I guess either one would work the same now.

[conman823]

OH! I guess either one would work the same now.

My cellphone is equipped with AIM now, but wasn't when R&F were in DC.

[Don Stugots]

and these days the show keeps me awake during work laughing.

i never got the concept of writing positive things about a show on a fansite is "drinking the kool-aid". I'd feel like a way bigger asshole if i complained about a show on their fansite that i post on all day long. I'm a Ron & Fez fan and I love the show and i post on the website that fans of their show go to talk about the show. I don't get why its looked down upon to support current directions of the show, i think its what we should be doing

if you mean that i do not think the show is funny now. you are wrong. it is but it is not the same show. the biggest difference is Fez, now and then. to say that this weaker Fez is just as enjoyable is where we disagree. the current direction of the show, has Earl do nothing for the show, Dave, Mooch or Pepper pull up the slack and it is just not what it once was.

[mikesiphone]

As I sit here listening to the best of's from what i think was a show from around 01 or 02, I realized that the instant feedback really was an intrical part of the show the kept the pace up. And since Fez mostly ran the instant feedback, that kept him much more involved in conversations.

I think that if they brought back that feature it might make the show more enjoyable. Why did they stop the instant feedbacks?

I THINK! Because it's tougher to stay on topic and stay interesting with the broader audience(xm). it worked w/ just the small terestrreriaal audiences of the past as everyone seemed to be on the same page and Ron really kept it rolling if it worked. Now if they try it .. its just too many left fields that it would kill the show.

[rick9669]

i think the show now is just fine ..yes it has changed but eveything thats great does ....i'm in the wnew area and remember the years when we had no R&F or O&A......it sucked....i really only catch the show in replay as i'm guessing most people do. the issue of paltalk does not affect me (mac person) but i do enjoy fan imput ....having said that one has to agree that on satellight the show is open to alot of different people (i.e. hayseeds) so this sometimes may slows things down .....or make it uncofortably histerrical..just sit back and enjoy the ride ......:thumbup:

[sailor]

i hate the paltalk as well (on either show, not in-and-of-itself). it's not an instant feedback, but people chatting and then things get pulled up out of context on the air. like if they started quoting listening threads with no background during the show. "oh, just noticed, doug says he's gay." see, it just wouldn't work on air.

[Serpico1103]

If there is a way to prevent rubes from using instant feedback than it would help the show.

[Mafialife Chris]

Pal Talk is a fantastic way to interact with the audience. Why would you want to take that away? I can only chalk it up to... Jealousy...night and day you torture me...

I only wish that when they do video for the pal talkers, that video would be recorded and able to be viewed later for us listener that cant be on Pal Talk during the show.

I think Dean & Franklyn were helping this happen a few times when they actually displayed the studio-cam, with the whole lilly shoot and other things they have done. Overall I agree. Having an archive or something the non paltalkers can check out 'after' the fact would be cool.

Like a video audible.com.

But, they do not really open thier studio cam much. It's a very rare occasion. That would be cool though, to be able to see it after the fact when u got home from work, or listened to the replay.

PS: I am not asking for this to happen, because I think the show works hard enough as is to entertain us all. I was just agreeing with Bobby here that it would be cool. It's just too much work.

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..As silly as it may seem to some people I see both shows as their "art" and I ain't tellin Picasso where to put a nose! :blink:

I feel the exact same way Pat. Always have. And I like R&F way better then Picasso, lol

There is no better artist!

[Caseyelan]

Paltalk.....is.....horrible. For both shows. Instant feedback is GREAT for both shows.

instant Feedback is something the MAJORITY of listeners can get involved in by use of cellphone or internet.

Paltalk is just another part of a larger problem I've had with both show the last few years. it mostly caters to a small group of superfans, who for the most part apparently have nothing else to do with there lives then sit in front of a webcam. It derails shows because its is radio, not TV. I can't see whos flashing who, and I don't want to waste precious moments of my life staring like a 'tard at my computer screen when I could be actually doing something. Its just as bad as people losing there lives to World of Warcraft.

Not to shit on Paltalk completely, I also hate when we have to "listen" to people watch youtube videos. (Which in complete fairness is little to NEVER on the R&F show.)

A lot of "average listeners" like myself are voicing dislike over the use of Paltalk, and a lot of "superfans" especially if they are involved with the show personally are praising it.

".....and the beat goes on."


Dear conman,
O and A still use feedback.

Just fuckin sayin mr bitter jammies.

[Friday]

you can play Battleship on paltalk.

it's fun.

[mrlithic]

Ron and Fez are missing the wit of the New York FM audience.

Say goodbye to the Comedy Pyramid, Intelligent Callers that add to the show etc etc.

Re-listened to the Free FM shows, more show happened in those couple months. Midnight Rider, Big Ass Bash, Valentines Day Camp Out, The Engagement, and Wedding of ESD.

[cigarsandscotch]

I know they like to mix things up to keep from getting stale, but I really miss the "Oddities" theme by the Insane Clown Posse as their show opener. It started the show off with a much higher energy than the more low key "North American Scum". I think it revved Fez up fo rthe show.

[happytypinggirl]

I dont miss anything because the beauty of technology is, those old shows can be found and heard on best of and in other places. Or better yet, i heard them when they aired the first time.

Plus, threads like these always sound like the whole Who Moved My Cheese thing, and if you haven't read it-- its a book, its like 50 pages, and you probably should. It will change your life. If i spend my life comparing everything I enjoy to how it used to be, i'd never truly enjoy anything, and I'll turn into the blowhard character.

Im gonna go with Pat from Moonachie on this. And Im also gonna agree with Gaz about 08 Fez. Oh and that bitter jammies thing was hilarious.

[GreatAmericanZero]

it is an interesting point...in everything i've ever read on every messageboard i have never heard one person express an opinion other than "I Love Fezzie". If he is such a lovable wonderful presence on the show, then what is he doing wrong? Literally everyone loves him

[sailor]

it is an interesting point...in everything i've ever read on every messageboard i have never heard one person express an opinion other than "I Love Fezzie". If he is such a lovable wonderful presence on the show, then what is he doing wrong? Literally everyone loves him

lovable doesn't equal great radio. people fuckin' love that dalai lama dude, but you know he'd bore ya to tears.

[GreatAmericanZero]

lovable doesn't equal great radio. people fuckin' love that dalai lama dude, but you know he'd bore ya to tears.

but they love Dahlai Llama for what he does, not being a radio personality...so that doesnt make sense

they love fez for being a radio personality..thats all he does

your comparison makes no sense

[A.J.]

lovable doesn't equal great radio. people fuckin' love that dalai lama dude, but you know he'd bore ya to tears.

And out drive you. Big hitter, the Lammer.

[Heather 8]

Dear conman,
O and A still use feedback.

Just fuckin sayin mr bitter jammies.

They sure do. That's how Ant knows I'm a stupid whore.

[TjM]

? The final hour of Ron and Fez's Friday shows has become unlistenable because they drag that sack of shit AJ Dynamite in every week now. Its terrible. I understand that Paltalk changed your life for the better, that's all cool, but it sucks a dick on the radio.

The worst part is 2-3 is when I drive home :wallbash:

But I have a sub from audible :clap:

[GreatAmericanZero]

AJ Dynamite is not a paltalker and never was. He was one of the "people Ron meets in the park"

[TjM]

I hate when he references ronfez.net. I never thought to complain but now that you bring it up. What a waste of time!!! I'm tired of hearing about those douches. Why should one part of the audience be seperate from the other part of the audience? Fuck Ronfez.net in its fuckhole. The mods there are mostly queer and power hungry too. They vote each other off for sport.

Fuck those fuckstix!

[PanterA]

Lets get this straight, Gaz has brought up that we're thinking Fez is a weak part of the show but that's simply not true. You also said that the old WNEW and WJFK shows cant compare to the XM shows, that's just an uninformed statement. They are incomparable. The XM show is fantastic, but its not what the radio shows used to be. It's a whole new show in itself, which isnt a bad thing. In lots of ways its a great thing. BUT if you are a fan of the radio days then you cant say that you feel Fez is better now. It's unfortunately not true. I dont like hearing him get made fun of. I dont like hearing hayseed listeners take shots at him and Fez not coming back and slamming them. I dont like hearing interns that dont fear Fez. Fez used to chest slap the shit out of these goofs if they fucked up. I used to see it all the time. If Fez was pissed off, guys were running in fear!

Look I love Fez, and I always will. He can never be replaced. It just sucks to hear that since his heart attack that he's trapped behind the fear of it. It's understandably affected his life and you can NEVER knock him for that.

[TjM]

AJ Dynamite is not a paltalker and never was. He was one of the "people Ron meets in the park"

I have no issues with Paltalk. I just hate the fact that 2-3 has turned into the AJ and Crazed hour. 2 weeks ago Ron and Dave were having an interesting movie discussion and about 5 minutes in AJ derailed the entire discussion and the rest of the show

[PanterA]

OH and I love the XM show and all the players involved. I wouldnt have bought 2 innos and paid for their subscriptions if I didnt. I laugh my ass off in the streets of Queens as I deliver the mail.

I dont want anything changed...other then Instant Feedbacking. I just liked that feature a lot!

[sailor]

but they love Dahlai Llama for what he does, not being a radio personality...so that doesnt make sense

they love fez for being a radio personality..thats all he does

your comparison makes no sense

it makes sense as long as the reader is not a retard. they fell in love with fez as a funny radio personality, but his "character" has devolved to the point where a large portion of the show is people wanting to fix fez. it would be more enjoyable of a show (to the majority of the listeners, in my opinion) if fez were lovable and funny rather than lovable and in need of fixing. see how the lovable is constant in my comparison? it is irrelevant to said comparison.

[happytypinggirl]

Lets get this straight, Gaz has brought up that we're thinking Fez is a weak part of the show but that's simply not true. You also said that the old WNEW and WJFK shows cant compare to the XM shows, that's just an uninformed statement. They are incomparable. The XM show is fantastic, but its not what the radio shows used to be. It's a whole new show in itself, which isnt a bad thing. In lots of ways its a great thing. BUT if you are a fan of the radio days then you cant say that you feel Fez is better now. It's unfortunately not true. I dont like hearing him get made fun of. I dont like hearing hayseed listeners take shots at him and Fez not coming back and slamming them. I dont like hearing interns that dont fear Fez. Fez used to chest slap the shit out of these goofs if they fucked up. I used to see it all the time. If Fez was pissed off, guys were running in fear!

Look I love Fez, and I always will. He can never be replaced. It just sucks to hear that since his heart attack that he's trapped behind the fear of it. It's understandably affected his life and you can NEVER knock him for that.

listen mister opinion nazi....what is it about personal taste and opinions that eludes you?

[PanterA]

listen mister opinion nazi....what is it about personal taste and opinions that eludes you?OK, majority of the fans of the radio days. I'm not knocking Fez at all, like I said.

Hail Hitler

[happytypinggirl]

OK, majority of the fans of the radio days. I'm not knocking Fez at all, like I said.

Hail Hitler

heil ;)

[A.J.]

Hail Hitler

heil ;)

Hale.

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[PanterA]

heil ;)No, I want it to rain Hitler ice pellets.

[KatPw]

When Ron interviewed Saul Williams, Saul pointed out that your fans always want you to stay how you were when they discovered you. We all want to recapture what made the show magical for us, when it first made you sit up and say "damn, this is something unlike anything else I have come across". Things change and evolve. It is what it is. And personal opinions are just that, opinions. Everyone is entitled to one.

[lleeder]

No, I want it to rain Hitler ice pellets.

rein. Make it rein on dem hoes.

[happytypinggirl]

When Ron interviewed Saul Williams, Saul pointed out that your fans always want you to stay how you were when they discovered you. We all want to recapture what made the show magical for us, when it first made you sit up and say "damn, this is something unlike anything else I have come across". Things change and evolve. It is what it is. And personal opinions are just that, opinions. Everyone is entitled to one.

i guess some fans are that way. i've never been like that. If i like what im hearing now, thats all its about. If i dont...i just go find something else to listen to.

[KatPw]

i guess some fans are that way. i've never been like that. If i like what im hearing now, thats all its about. If i dont...i just go find something else to listen to.

I look at it like this. I'm a huge Pink Floyd fan, have been for years. Do I love every album equally and think everything that they put out is beyond genius? No. Maybe there are some fans out there that feel that way but I don't. But that doesn't mean I'm hating on Floyd, it just means that either they grew in a direction I did not, or that I grew and the music didn't. And that's cool, it's the way things are supposed to be. It's like a relationship in a way, albeit a one-sided one. There are ups and downs, ebbs and flows. Tastes are gained and lost.

[conman823]

Dear conman,
O and A still use feedback.

Just fuckin sayin mr bitter jammies.

I'm well aware.

but thanks for that Mrs. Personally Attached to the shows!!

[sailor]

i guess some fans are that way. i've never been like that. If i like what im hearing now, thats all its about. If i dont...i just go find something else to listen to.

using that logic, why comment that you don't like someone else's post? it's really no different.

[FUCKTWATtheCLOWN]

When Ron interviewed Saul Williams, Saul pointed out that your fans always want you to stay how you were when they discovered you. We all want to recapture what made the show magical for us, when it first made you sit up and say "damn, this is something unlike anything else I have come across". Things change and evolve. It is what it is. And personal opinions are just that, opinions. Everyone is entitled to one.

Sure, but I like the way Pat put it when he said its their art. What got you into the artist was that initial art. That was the thing that caught your notice. But after that imo, it's more about you're "relationship" with the artist. Certainly not all of the artists work can appeal 100% to you, but thats because it isn't about the recipient, It's about what they are trying to produce. I dont think R&F are trying to do what they did before. And although I enjoy the current product, I'm more interested in the question "Are they accomplishing what they are intending to accomplish." And when fezzie is having his good days, I think they are exactly the show they want to be.

[cigarsandscotch]

it is an interesting point...in everything i've ever read on every messageboard i have never heard one person express an opinion other than "I Love Fezzie". If he is such a lovable wonderful presence on the show, then what is he doing wrong? Literally everyone loves him

The only person I've ever heard of that doesn't like Fez is Fez. Ironically, he is the person he chooses to spend most of his time with. I wish he would respect everyone else's opinions of himself and realize he is much better than he gives himself credit for.

[Hottub]

The only person I've ever heard of that doesn't like Fez is Fez. Ironically, he is the person he chooses to spend most of his time with. I wish he would respect everyone else's opinions of himself and realize he is much better than he gives himself credit for.

Very good observation.
I agree.

[GreatAmericanZero]

it makes sense as long as the reader is not a retard. they fell in love with fez as a funny radio personality, but his "character" has devolved to the point where a large portion of the show is people wanting to fix fez. it would be more enjoyable of a show (to the majority of the listeners, in my opinion) if fez were lovable and funny rather than lovable and in need of fixing. see how the lovable is constant in my comparison? it is irrelevant to said comparison.

your point was such complete shit before that this statement has nothing to do with your point before

but the reason why you're wrong with this new point is by looking at Anthony Cumia. Anthony Cumia is another person who gets the "not as fun as he used to be label" put on him by fans all the time. Anthony also decided to become a fairly unlikeable person too (which is something that is discussed a lot). As such, a lot of fans have turned on him, they think hes ruining the show. I read it all the time (not everyone feels like that, but a large portion does)

the fact that Fez has changed who he is but all the fans still root for him and listen to him proves that he is successfully fulfilling his role on the show because people want to hear him. The biggest fez complaint is that he doesn't talk enough....what a COMPLIMENT for who he is, that they love him so much that they want more of him!

Unless, judging from your ridiculous Dhali Llama post (which still doesn't make sense cuz people that are into him would be thrilled to have him on the radio) Fez, as of 2008, personally bores you to tears. And if he does, you are the first fan to ever say that and i suggest you start a poll asking "does fez bore you to tears?" and im positive there will be little support for that opinion

The XM show is fantastic, but its not what the radio shows used to be.

And that is the entire point that HTG was making! WHY does the show have to be "what it used to be" if its fantastic? What positive nature does comparing an enjoyable show to another enjoyable show do except make people miserable and judgemental? Every aspect of life isn't going to be "what it used to be", so what good does it do to compare? Why can't people just enjoy what they have?

[GregoryJoseph]

Gaz, being a fan doesn't mean putting blinders on and defending every single aspect of the show.

When people hear something they don't like they're going to honestly comment on it. If you want that type of blind allegiance to a show I suggest you head over to Wackbag.

[Phild]

Paltalk sucks my nut. It is a hinderance on both shows.

I agree Paltalk blows ass - I get that O&A and Ron and Fez like the TATAs, but it does nothing for those of us who know it is just a jack-fest when the shows are not on the air.
Fuck Paltalk!:nono:

[Phild]

Oh BTW - Ron and Fez is the best thing going today...Whooooo! :thumbup:

[happytypinggirl]

using that logic, why comment that you don't like someone else's post? it's really no different.

i didnt intend to say anyone was wrong for the way they are a fan. i only meant to say that i was not like that. i do think people would be happier if they stopped looking back though. the whole "wishing things were like they used to be" problem is kind of an epidemic in our country-- which i guess is why that simple lil book i referenced was such a huge hit.

the only post in this thread that i thought was out of line was when someone told GAZ that his "opinion" was simply wrong, and that it was impossible for him to prefer now.

[happytypinggirl]

Sure, but I like the way Pat put it when he said its their art. What got you into the artist was that initial art. That was the thing that caught your notice. But after that imo, it's more about you're "relationship" with the artist. Certainly not all of the artists work can appeal 100% to you, but thats because it isn't about the recipient, It's about what they are trying to produce. I dont think R&F are trying to do what they did before. And although I enjoy the current product, I'm more interested in the question "Are they accomplishing what they are intending to accomplish." And when fezzie is having his good days, I think they are exactly the show they want to be.

well said. there are some types of jobs where the phrase "the customer is always right" applies. like when you sell office supplies. but R&F are artists, and the artist shouldnt pander to what the customer wants. and frankly, probably couldnt if they wanted to. there are some radio hosts who dont create, they just put out a 'product' that is dictated by a format. most of us dont enjoy that kind of show though, amirite?
Gaz, being a fan doesn't mean putting blinders on and defending every single aspect of the show.

When people hear something they don't like they're going to honestly comment on it. If you want that type of blind allegiance to a show I suggest you head over to Wackbag.

did you write this just to drive me nuts?? ;) do you read wackbag? blind allegiance? aaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!!

I agree Paltalk blows ass - I get that O&A and Ron and Fez like the TATAs, but it does nothing for those of us who know it is just a jack-fest when the shows are not on the air.
Fuck Paltalk!:nono:

i gotta ask...do you listen to the show? TATAs? really? paltalk is about TATAs? i dont think there have been bare tits seen in the Ron Fez Show Room in at least a year. I mean...maybe frenchie shows her boobs once every four months in the Big Ass room but does that really bother you so much to hear a three second reference three times a year?

[GreatAmericanZero]

Gaz, being a fan doesn't mean putting blinders on and defending every single aspect of the show.

When people hear something they don't like they're going to honestly comment on it. If you want that type of blind allegiance to a show I suggest you head over to Wackbag.

im not defending every single aspect of the show, im defending THIS aspect of the show

sorry for defending a radio show on a site its dedicated to. sorry for being positive and supportive to a show i spend all day posting about. guess im the big asshole for using a radio program that brings me joy everyday and not shitting on every little thing i find slightly unentertaining the second i get home

I listen to the show at work. it makes me work day soooooo much better to have a funny, smart, interesting radio show to listen to. And theres no other radio show like that on satellite. Ron & Fez have earned my respect because they have given me alot too. So, I give them my patience and open-mindness to where ever direction they want to take the show in. And so far i haven't been disapointed. i actually trust their talent.

its amazing how many people on this site get so irritated when they have a complaint about the show and everyone isn't onboard to slam the show. I love it though. I'm not moping around, thinking "you know, there was a 3 months span in 2001 where i had more laughs to content ratio then today", i put on my radio...interested and supportive of what the show is going to do next and i have a great time. My mindset regarding the show is always going to win in the end because I always have a great time with my favorite radio show...and the reason why i have this mindset is because "the Ron & Fez show" earned it from me

[conman823]

i guess some fans are that way. i've never been like that. If i like what im hearing now, thats all its about. If i dont...i just go find something else to listen to.

Your opinion of the show is horribly bias. You are personally mentioned everyday! I would love a show unconditionally if they took 2 minutes an episode to talk about me.

Again its average fans saying something is wrong, and superfans defending everything because the show is a personal part of their lives.

[Dell]

So... how did wanting them to add instant feedback to their show become equivalent to not liking the show? I really like the show todayand would like to see them use instant feedback.

[happytypinggirl]

Your opinion of the show is horribly bias. You are personally mentioned everyday! I would love a show unconditionally if they took 2 minutes an episode to talk about me.

Again its average fans saying something is wrong, and superfans defending everything because the show is a personal part of their lives.

interesting theory but its wrong. i've been a fan of the show for 10 years, looong before ron and fez had ever heard of me, long before i had paltalk and long before i ever even knew message boards exist. and i felt the same way then as i do now. and my love is not unconditional.

and believe me, having someone talk about me doesn't make me love them unconditionally.

my problem isnt with criticism- my problem, like GAZ said, is when the criticism implies that a particular listner is somehow owed something from the show or has been personally let down by the show.

what i really love is how you've defined the players as 'average fans' versus 'super fans'. so if you're critical, you're a regular guy, and if you aren't you're a 'superfan' and somehow superfan has a negative connotation? i dont get it.

reality is... your so called "average fan" (if such a thing exists) is a person who is neither personally involved in the show, nor personally offended by things and in fact, probably has never posted on a message board.

maybe there are 'superfans' and 'you owe me' fans?

[PanterA]

And that is the entire point that HTG was making! WHY does the show have to be "what it used to be" if its fantastic? What positive nature does comparing an enjoyable show to another enjoyable show do except make people miserable and judgemental? Every aspect of life isn't going to be "what it used to be", so what good does it do to compare? Why can't people just enjoy what they have?I never said it has to be what it used to be. I enjoy the show. I just dont find it funny that more and more people are getting away with making fun of Fez and not leaving with a rap in the face for it. It's not the kind of personality he is and it's DEFINITELY not what makes him important to the show now. He's a trillion times better then that.

[lleeder]

I look at it like this. I'm a huge Pink Floyd fan, have been for years. Do I love every album equally and think everything that they put out is beyond genius? No. Maybe there are some fans out there that feel that way but I don't. But that doesn't mean I'm hating on Floyd, it just means that either they grew in a direction I did not, or that I grew and the music didn't. And that's cool, it's the way things are supposed to be. It's like a relationship in a way, albeit a one-sided one. There are ups and downs, ebbs and flows. Tastes are gained and lost.

I hate you Floyd haters. :thumbdown::innocent:

[KatPw]

Gaz, who is slamming anything? There have been some people that expressed their opinions, but I wouldn't go so far as to say anyone slammed anything. Maybe Paltalk got slammed, but that is a chat program that Ron and Fez have no control over. That's essentially an object being criticized, not the show. Some people even pointed out that the show hardly utilizes paltalk. I merely pointed out that instant feedback morphed into using the paltalk medium, just like IF was sent in via AIM in the JFK days (I believe).

[sailor]

your point was such complete shit before that this statement has nothing to do with your point before

i'm not going to refute this line-for-line because that would not be interesting for anyone, but it was the exact same point, i just made it less allegorical for ya, literal larry.

[lleeder]

All I say is "SLAM!! (duh,duh,duh,duh.duh,duh-let the boys be boys!!)"

[KatPw]

All I say is "SLAM!! (duh,duh,duh,duh.duh,duh-let the boys be boys!!)"

Damn, now I wish I still had Onyx on tape. Saw them open for Biohazard. Fun times.

[cougarjake13]

Damn, now I wish I still had Onyx on tape. Saw them open for Biohazard. Fun times.

miss biohazard

[sailor]

miss biohazard

bionyx ruled.

[PanterA]

All I say is "SLAM!! (duh,duh,duh,duh.duh,duh-let the boys be boys!!)"Move back mother fuckers. The Onyx is here.
Back da fuck up! just back da fuck up!!

[conman823]

interesting theory but its wrong. i've been a fan of the show for 10 years, looong before ron and fez had ever heard of me, long before i had paltalk and long before i ever even knew message boards exist. and i felt the same way then as i do now. and my love is not unconditional.

and believe me, having someone talk about me doesn't make me love them unconditionally.

my problem isnt with criticism- my problem, like GAZ said, is when the criticism implies that a particular listner is somehow owed something from the show or has been personally let down by the show.

what i really love is how you've defined the players as 'average fans' versus 'super fans'. so if you're critical, you're a regular guy, and if you aren't you're a 'superfan' and somehow superfan has a negative connotation? i dont get it.

reality is... your so called "average fan" (if such a thing exists) is a person who is neither personally involved in the show, nor personally offended by things and in fact, probably has never posted on a message board.

maybe there are 'superfans' and 'you owe me' fans?

Nah, they don't owe me anthing. The show is and was great. I can accept change. I thought at first Paltalk would be a great addition to both programs. It seems forward thinking at the time. Then I saw more negatives then positives about it, IMO.

Back to the topic, I just feel Instant Feedback is more accessible to a larger fan base. The original post brought up how feedback was a huge part of the show, maybe going back to something that worked in the past isn't a bad thing.

[EffMeBoobs]

That's got to be the most uninformed statement EVER posted on this site.

You need to go back and listen to not only the WNEW shows but also listen to the WJFK shows. Fezzy was constantly on fire, he never let his guard down and no one ever got a shot past him.

I have to say the WNEW shows were super super funny. WJFK days were so-so in my opinion. Today they are funny as ever.

[Caseyelan]

I'm well aware.

but thanks for that Mrs. Personally Attached to the shows!!

What the fuck does that mean?

Let me wipe the jizz off my mouth and answer you later dorkus.

[sailor]

What the fuck does that mean?

Let me wipe the jizz off my mouth and answer you later dorkus.

if you listened to special delivery you'd have been prepared for the spiderman.

[Phild]

i gotta ask...do you listen to the show? TATAs? really? paltalk is about TATAs? i dont think there have been bare tits seen in the Ron Fez Show Room in at least a year. I mean...maybe frenchie shows her boobs once every four months in the Big Ass room but does that really bother you so much to hear a three second reference three times a year?[/QUOTE]

HTG - I am using TATAs as a general reference to any distraction, but that is not my problem with Paltalk, I just do not get the appeal of the whole thing.
Now, before you jump on me for being a jerk, if I were going to add anything to Ron and Fez it would be you. Yes, I said you! When you are in the studio I really enjoy your feedback and you have the most infectious laugh I have ever heard. I do not know if it is a girl thing, or sexy, or just sweet. Whatever it is, when you laugh in the background at Ronnie’s lines it add something to the show for me and I’ll be dam if I can explain it, I just dig it when I know you are on the show.

Big fan didn’t mean to step on your toes. Seeya!

[happytypinggirl]

i gotta ask...do you listen to the show? TATAs? really? paltalk is about TATAs? i dont think there have been bare tits seen in the Ron Fez Show Room in at least a year. I mean...maybe frenchie shows her boobs once every four months in the Big Ass room but does that really bother you so much to hear a three second reference three times a year?

HTG - I am using TATAs as a general reference to any distraction, but that is not my problem with Paltalk, I just do not get the appeal of the whole thing.
Now, before you jump on me for being a jerk, if I were going to add anything to Ron and Fez it would be you. Yes, I said you! When you are in the studio I really enjoy your feedback and you have the most infectious laugh I have ever heard. I do not know if it is a girl thing, or sexy, or just sweet. Whatever it is, when you laugh in the background at Ronnie’s lines it add something to the show for me and I’ll be dam if I can explain it, I just dig it when I know you are on the show.

Big fan didn’t mean to step on your toes. Seeya!


aww crap, im a sucker for someone being nice to me. by TATAS i just naturally assumed you meant tits. :) sorry.

[Tenbatsuzen]

My hardest time with the show is Fezzy's emotional state. When Fez starts to choke up, I immediately turn off the show because I can't handle. I'm very empathetic with people, and I don't need that while I'm working.

I think the JFK show relied too heavily on interns and characters, and the WNEW show was a lot less Ronnie, IMHO. Ron has basically evolved to an even sharper wit since the WNEW days.

I think Dave has evolved a bit too, as much as people don't want to admit it.

My biggest problem has always been the time slot. That's the HUGEST problem that hinders the show.

With Jeremy Coleman in control, maybe he'll override some of the ideas the XM Brass had and do what a lot of us have asked for a long time - O&A in the afternoon, R&F at night.

[GregoryJoseph]

im not defending every single aspect of the show, im defending THIS aspect of the show

sorry for defending a radio show on a site its dedicated to. sorry for being positive and supportive to a show i spend all day posting about. guess im the big asshole for using a radio program that brings me joy everyday and not shitting on every little thing i find slightly unentertaining the second i get home

I listen to the show at work. it makes me work day soooooo much better to have a funny, smart, interesting radio show to listen to. And theres no other radio show like that on satellite. Ron & Fez have earned my respect because they have given me alot too. So, I give them my patience and open-mindness to where ever direction they want to take the show in. And so far i haven't been disapointed. i actually trust their talent.

its amazing how many people on this site get so irritated when they have a complaint about the show and everyone isn't onboard to slam the show. I love it though. I'm not moping around, thinking "you know, there was a 3 months span in 2001 where i had more laughs to content ratio then today", i put on my radio...interested and supportive of what the show is going to do next and i have a great time. My mindset regarding the show is always going to win in the end because I always have a great time with my favorite radio show...and the reason why i have this mindset is because "the Ron & Fez show" earned it from me

I resent the whole "if you say anything negative you don't love the show as much as I do" mindset.

It's childish and false.

Someone stating their opinion as to what does and doesn't work on the show is not the same as longing for the days of yesteryear and fearing change.

A LOT of things didn't work when they were on WNEW. Ditto for WJFK. Same on XM.

If someone points it out they're not being bitter and nostalgic; they're being honest.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

I resent the whole "if you say anything negative you don't love the show as much as I do" mindset.

It's childish and false.

Someone stating their opinion as to what does and doesn't work on the show is not the same as longing for the days of yesteryear and fearing change.

A LOT of things didn't work when they were on WNEW. Ditto for WJFK. Same on XM.

If someone points it out they're not being bitter and nostalgic; they're being honest.

Yep.

[Mafialife Chris]

I have learned that a huge part of someones judgement on things are thier own expecation and value system. They are always close to home when someone tells them they are "wrong" for thier opinion. I do not think someones difference of opinion is wrong or right, I just think it is different! I wouldnt even go as far as to say something is "just being honest" and expect someone to consider me right. If anything I am only being honest about what I 'feel', which may still be wrong or different to someone else who is also being honest with thier feelings. It's all about expectations!

I expect nothing in particular from The Ron and Fez Show. All I expect it to be is "The Ron and Fez Show" by thier definition. Since it is something I do not control, and should not. I never try to do so. I do expect it to be different if Ron and Fez want it to be different, or if anything else forced things to be different. The Ron and Fez Show has continued to entertain me to no end, and I trust Ron and Fez to do that for me regardless if the show 'changes' and is different.

There are many times I get emotional, and sensative to something happening on the show. Sometimes I am angry, sometimes I am sad, or really happy. The show has always done that to me. It's been about 11 years for me. We are all attached to the relationship between us and the show in some way. Thats what I love about the show and the fans. The Audio, The Comedy, The Boards, The Instant Feedback, The AOL, The Paltalk, The Interaction, The Intellect, The Emotion, & The Relationship!!

Some people choose to interact silently by just hearing what they listened to and laughing to themselves or to others. Some choose to call in, post, or use the same programs they use to participate or interact deeper. It doesnt make you a better or worse person if you do. It just makes you different :)They are both part of an awsome listening audience, for an awsome show. I have actually changed and been different when it comes to what sort of relationship I have with the show as well. I have enjoyed the show good and bad on both sides of the fence. Sometimes when it is too intense, I will step back and just listen quietly.

Awsome Thread, thanks!

[rick9669]

Dan from Hoboken didn't make it back after the firing of o&a, it was actually discussed on air once.

yes he's moved to bayshore and changed his name to steve......

[sailor]

I have learned that a huge part of someones judgement on things are thier own expecation and value system. They are always close to home when someone tells them they are "wrong" for thier opinion. I do not think someones difference of opinion is wrong or right, I just think it is different! I wouldnt even go as far as to say something is "just being honest" and expect someone to consider me right. If anything I am only being honest about what I 'feel', which may still be wrong or different to someone else who is also being honest with thier feelings. It's all about expectations!

you're wrong.

[MisterSmith]

I resent the whole "if you say anything negative you don't love the show as much as I do" mindset.

It's childish and false.

Someone stating their opinion as to what does and doesn't work on the show is not the same as longing for the days of yesteryear and fearing change.

A LOT of things didn't work when they were on WNEW. Ditto for WJFK. Same on XM.

If someone points it out they're not being bitter and nostalgic; they're being honest.

I agree.

I'm catching up so forgive me if this was covered, but isn't part of interaction and discussion saying things that we think are good and bad?

Sure, longing for the "old days" and saying everything was better then is naive and likely a matter of taste. But wishing or hoping that an aspect of the show might change, adapt, or be renewed so you will personally like the experience better is the prerogative of the fan IMO. Posting it on a message board is a way to share in the experience and connect with other fans of the show.

Some people might take it too far and feel they are owed something, but I would say most of us (fans) are looking for connections and a way to discuss good and bad points in an environment of like-minded individuals.

[Golfman]

The grass is always greener.........

Most things old suck anyway.

[mikeyboy]

I've been thinking about some of the points touched on by this thread lately. I was getting dressed a few weeks ago, and decided to check out whichever old show was streaming in the Big Ass Room. Judging by the references, it was a late 2002 show. There was a caller driven bit, and a discussion with a staff member. I enjoyed it, but it all seemed, for lack of a better word, quaint. I love the WNEW shows, and I love to throw on some of the great bits from that era, but I honestly thought when I heard it that if they were doing the same show, over six years later, there's a good chance I would have lost interest. A lot of people who are O&A and/or R&F fans were fans of Stern back in the day. A lot of those same people lost interest in Stern's show. Many will say "He's not funny anymore", but I honestly think a good part of it is that the show didn't evolve, and people ended up getting tired of what he was doing. Not to say that R&F wouldn't have evolved (because obviously, they so often have), but it might have been easy to fall into the trap of "if it ain't broken, don't fix it.", and the people clambering for the days of WNEW might have been disappointed today in an alternate universe.

I also think there was a time, after O&A got kicked off WNEW for SFS3, and and after the two a day shows that the show got a little predictable. It was still better than anything else on the radio, but I think it was a little too much regimen -- one or two caller-driven bits a show, Oscar blurbs on Thursdays, etc. It may have been because the hosts were just fried from everything that had happened and the uncertainty of the future, but there were times I felt that they leaned on the callers and IFers too heavily. Honestly, as great as pyramids, etc. were, there isn't a caller/IFer out there as funny as the hosts of the show. As I said, I love the WNEW period, but to treat it like some kind of unreachable peak for the show is a mistake. As (I think) Gvac said, there were bits that didn't work on WNEW, WJFK and XM.

As for today's shows compared to WNEW, there are some negatives (Fez not being at 100%, callers not being strong, and I could do wthout going to the AJ/Spandy/Crazed well too frequently, etc.), but there are also real positives.

1. Ron Bennington - without trying to come off as a kiss ass, after 20+ years of radio, Ron may be at the peak of his powers. He honestly seems like the funniest he's ever been. Also, he's always had solid interview skills, but he really wasn't this good on WNEW.

2. The show format - The day after an interview with a director (Wim Wenders, perhaps), Ron & Fez got a call from an imbecile listener complaining because the screeners wouldn't let him through to "Ramone" the gest. Ron gave the guy an earful and told him that the format of the show was "anything they wanted it to be", so they weren't restricted to comedy segments and they could do an informative and intelligent segment if they so choose. Not anchored by conventional terrestrial ratings, the show has become exactly that -- something that can become anything they want it to be at any given time. Being on XM also allows them some latitude with the content restrictions of terrestrial as well. I like that an intentionally silly bit like Fucktard the clown, can be a part of the same show as the acid trip show, discussions of string theory, religion, politics and interesting, but off the beaten path, guests. It's not the WNEW format, but it has moved far beyond the world view and restrictions of the WNEW show.

3. Dave - I've said it before. I love Al, Staples, Mikey D, J Dubs and the rest, but I honestly think Dave is the best on-air staff member the show has ever had. He sometimes gets himself pigeon-holed in the buffoon role, but the guy will do anything for the show. He also has been able to put together some bits that work along the way. I think his experiences on Special Delivery will allow him to continue to grow and develop as a part of the Ron & Fez show.

So, really, like whichever era you want. They all have their positives.

On to instant feedback -- As stated before, on WNEW they used IF. Some of the time they were on WJFK they used AIM. On XM, I'm quite certain they have the opportunity to use one or the other but have chosen not to. I believe Ron said on the air one time that IF is distracting. I'm sure it is. Given the caliber of callers the show has gotten, I'd imagine that they would have to dig even deeper than they did at WNEW into the submissions they got for the comedy gold. Maybe it would slow the show down. Maybe not. Maybe Ron would get too bogged down with sorting through all of the responses and wouldn't be as funny. I don't know. Bottom line is that IF could help the show, but it could also hurt it.

On a nearly unrelated note, I'm glad to see people giving WJFK some respect. That era was unfairly maligned by a lot of people because it wasn't WNEW. Then again, because it was a chore to hear the show (you had to resort to "illegal" means if you weren't in the listening area for the majority of their tenure there), I find that many of the worst maligners of that era really didn't hear much of the show, and what they did hear was the growing pains phase when the show was first on WJFK only when they were learning what they could and couldn't expect from their listeners. It was a change from the WNEW shows, but they were able to turn around the negatives of being taken from a great gig in NYC and exiled to Fairfax, VA and make for some pretty compelling radio.

Given that this has turned into a manifesto already, I'll add one more tangentially related thing. Earlier in this post, I mentioned the "two-a-day" period. For those unfamiliar, this was a period of a week and a half in September of 2002 when, after O&A and Scott Ferrall had been let go and the station was crumbling around them, R&F agreed to do 2 shows a day. If you ever have the opportunity to check out these shows, I highly recommend it. Some combination of stress, exhaustion and the belief that no one from corporate was paying attention made for some very nutty radio -- Rutger Hauer talking to Iris, Cyrus the Prodigy, Lenay and Kenny Allen fighting, Fez shaving his head, etc., it makes for great radio. Equal parts overnight ron and fez dot com and a more free-form XM show, it was simultaneously a nod to the future and the past.

[labiaReceiver]

Nothing the show rock's. Dave is great, Fez is Nutz and Ron is great. Old shows to me stink. Sorry long time listeners. Same thing happended when Jim Norton came on O and A. " your old shows were way better" Shut up and go with the flow of the show. But hey what do I know. PS Davey Mac is the best part of the show.

[The Blowhard]

I dont miss anything because the beauty of technology is, those old shows can be found and heard on best of and in other places. Or better yet, i heard them when they aired the first time.

Plus, threads like these always sound like the whole Who Moved My Cheese thing, and if you haven't read it-- its a book, its like 50 pages, and you probably should. It will change your life. If i spend my life comparing everything I enjoy to how it used to be, i'd never truly enjoy anything, and I'll turn into the blowhard character.

Im gonna go with Pat from Moonachie on this. And Im also gonna agree with Gaz about 08 Fez. Oh and that bitter jammies thing was hilarious.


Hey!!! Why the cheap shot? And "the blowhard character"??? Get off your high horse, cupcake!

[The Blowhard]

interesting theory but its wrong. i've been a fan of the show for 10 years, looong before ron and fez had ever heard of me, long before i had paltalk and long before i ever even knew message boards exist. and i felt the same way then as i do now. and my love is not unconditional.

and believe me, having someone talk about me doesn't make me love them unconditionally.

my problem isnt with criticism- my problem, like GAZ said, is when the criticism implies that a particular listner is somehow owed something from the show or has been personally let down by the show.

what i really love is how you've defined the players as 'average fans' versus 'super fans'. so if you're critical, you're a regular guy, and if you aren't you're a 'superfan' and somehow superfan has a negative connotation? i dont get it.

reality is... your so called "average fan" (if such a thing exists) is a person who is neither personally involved in the show, nor personally offended by things and in fact, probably has never posted on a message board.

maybe there are 'superfans' and 'you owe me' fans?


10 years??? LIAR!!!

[Tenbatsuzen]

10 years??? LIAR!!!

Close enough, don't be an ass.

[The Blowhard]

Close enough, don't be an ass.

Go fuck your mother asshole, and stop being "Mr. Internet Muscles".

[PanterA]

As for today's shows compared to WNEW, there are some negatives (Fez not being at 100%, callers not being strong, and I could do wthout going to the AJ/Spandy/Crazed wll too frequently, etc.), but there are also real positives.Yeah, the positives are that the show is fucking hysterical and thought provoking. I hope my posts werent taken as Fez bashing. I'm tired of the Fez bashing, and that was my blunt point.

[jauble]

Go fuck your mother asshole, and stop being "Mr. Internet Muscles".

Here comes purgatory.

[PanterA]

BH relax man. Thats a bit harsh.

[The Blowhard]

BH relax man. Thats a bit harsh.

Look, the guy wants attention, and he started the shit, not me. I was fucking around in the thread and The King Asshole jumped in telling me not to be an ass. Fuck him. If I want any shit from that internet coward I'll squeeze his head.

[PanterA]

Look, the guy wants attention, and he started the shit, not me. I was fucking around in the thread and The King Asshole jumped in telling me not to be an ass. Fuck him. If I want any shit from that internet coward I'll squeeze his head.I'm sure you can squeeze his head, but asking him to fuck his mother and threatening bodily harm is a bit harsh for telling you not to be an ass.

[The Blowhard]

[QUOTE=PanterA;2045917]I'm sure you can squeeze his head, but asking him to fuck his mother and threatening bodily harm is a bit harsh for telling you not to be an ass.[/QUOT

Who the fuck is he, telling me anything??? He's an asshole. If he met me he would shit his pants and run, but he hides behind his keyboard.
And "threatening bodily harm"??? What a coward.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Look, the guy wants attention, and he started the shit, not me. I was fucking around in the thread and The King Asshole jumped in telling me not to be an ass. Fuck him. If I want any shit from that internet coward I'll squeeze his head.

Look, you jumped on my friend calling her a liar, because she flexed 8 (almost 9!) years into 10.

R&F started in NYC on 2/21/2000.

That's what I was trying to say.

Oh the travesty.

[Tenbatsuzen]

[QUOTE=PanterA;2045917]I'm sure you can squeeze his head, but asking him to fuck his mother and threatening bodily harm is a bit harsh for telling you not to be an ass.[/QUOT

Who the fuck is he, telling me anything??? He's an asshole. If he met me he would shit his pants and run, but he hides behind his keyboard.
And "threatening bodily harm"??? What a coward.

I'm giving you facts. You called my friend a liar. I was backing her up and telling you not to be an ass.

So, again - don't be an ass. Thanks.

[The Blowhard]

Look, you jumped on my friend calling her a liar, because she flexed 8 (almost 9!) years into 10.

R&F started in NYC on 2/21/2000.

That's what I was trying to say.

Oh the travesty.

I was joking. You jumped in. You had no business saying anything to me, and I'll end it at that. I'm done repsonding to you online, maybe we can sit down and work out our differences over a beer someday. Happy New Year.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I was joking. You jumped in. You had no business saying anything to me, and I'll end it at that. I'm done repsonding to you online, maybe we can sit down and work out our differences over a beer someday. Happy New Year.

I've seen NOTHING to indicate that you and Deb are friends or that you joke around with her. Your post indicated that you were calling her out. So I defended her.

Then you tell me to fuck my mother? And then want to "squeeze my head"?

You're a loon, my man.

[Tenbatsuzen]

You had no business saying anything to me, and I'll end it at that.

Fuck you, it's the internet.

[moochcassidy]

matty try to stop being such a cunt. thanks

[Tenbatsuzen]

matty try to stop being such a cunt. thanks

You first. Smooches!

[PanterA]

Matty now YOU'RE being an ass. PLEASE refrain from personal attacks in this and all threads.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Matty now YOU'RE being an ass. PLEASE refrain from personal attacks in this and all threads.

OK. I'll do it because I think your avatar is talking to me, and I can't turn a hot girl down.

[spoon]

I resent the whole "if you say anything negative you don't love the show as much as I do" mindset.

It's childish and false.

Someone stating their opinion as to what does and doesn't work on the show is not the same as longing for the days of yesteryear and fearing change.

A LOT of things didn't work when they were on WNEW. Ditto for WJFK. Same on XM.

If someone points it out they're not being bitter and nostalgic; they're being honest.

Yep.

Double Yep

[PapaBear]

Double Yep
I'm totally picturing your dog running around barking "YEP, YEP, YEP!!!"

[spoon]

http://photocache.petfinder.com/fotos/TX440/1231121646/TX440.12709124-3-x.jpg

yep yep yep!

[happytypinggirl]

hehe. no harm was meant by 'blowhard character' i hope you know that. i just thought it was a cuter way of saying someone who always thinks the past was better. you know i love your calls blowhard.

and yes, thank you mattie, i was approximating. i did not get out my radio listener notebook to check the date that i started listening. truth told, it probably was a little after that, i dont think i was there from day one, but the point was, i've been listening a long time before anyone ever heard of my name.

i like you both so please stop fighting. :)

[GregoryJoseph]

i like you both so please stop fighting. :)


LIAR!!!

[happytypinggirl]

I've been thinking about some of the points touched on by this thread lately. I was getting dressed a few weeks ago, and decided to check out whichever old show was streaming in the Big Ass Room. Judging by the references, it was a late 2002 show. There was a caller driven bit, and a discussion with a staff member. I enjoyed it, but it all seemed, for lack of a better word, quaint. I love the WNEW shows, and I love to throw on some of the great bits from that era, but I honestly thought when I heard it that if they were doing the shame show, over six years later, there's a good chance I would have lost interest. A lot of people who are O&A and/or R&F fans were fans of Stern back in the day. A lot of those same people lost interest in Stern's show. Many will say "He's not funny anymore", but I honestly think a good part of it is that the show didn't evolve, and people ended up getting tired of what he was doing. Not to say that R&F wouldn't have evolved (because obviously, they so often have), but it might have been easy to fall into the trap of "if it ain't broken, don't fix it.", and the people clambering for the days of WNEW might have been disappointed today in an alternate universe.

I also think there was a time, after O&A got kicked off WNEW for SFS3, and and after the two a day shows that the show got a little predictable. It was still better than anything on the radio, but I think it was a little too much regimen -- one or two caller-driven bits a show,. Oscar blurbs on Thursdays. It may have been because the hosts were just fried from everything that had happened and the uncertainty of the future, but there were times I felt that they leaned on the callers and IFers too heavily. Honestly, as great as pyramids, etc. were, there isn't a caller/IFer out there as funny as the hosts of the show. As I said, I love the WNEW period, but to treat it like some kind of unreachable peak for the show. As (I think) Gvac said, there were bits that didn't work on WNEW, WJFK and XM.

As for today's shows compared to WNEW, there are some negatives (Fez not being at 100%, callers not being strong, and I could do wthout going to the AJ/Spandy/Crazed wll too frequently, etc.), but there are also real positives.

1. Ron Bennington - without trying to come off as a kiss ass, but after 20+ years of radiom Ron may be at the peak of his powers. He honestly seems like the funniest he's ever been. Also, he's always had solid interview skills, but he really wasn't this good on WNEW.

2. The show format - The day after an interview with a director (Wim Wenders, perhaps), Ron & Fez got a call from an imbecile listener complaining because the screeners wouldn't let him through to "Ramone" the director. Ron gave the guy an earful and told him that the format of the show was "anything they wanted it to be", so they weren't restricted to comedy segments and they could do an informative and intelligent segment if they so choose. Not anchored by conventional terrestrial ratings, the show has become exactly that -- something that can become anything they want it to be at any given time. Being on XM also allows them some latitude with the content restrictions of terrestrial as well. I like that you can hear an intentionally silly bit like Fucktard the clown, can be a part of the same show as the acid trip show, discussions of string theory, religion, politics and interesting, but off the beaten path, guests. It's not the WNEW format, but it has moved far beyond the world view and restrictions of the WNEW show.

3. Dave - I've said it before. I love Al, Staples, Mikey D, J Dubs and the rest, but I honestly think Dave is the best on-air staff member the show has ever had. I sometimes gets himself pigeon-holed in the buffoon role, but the guy will do anything for the show. He also has been able to put together some bits that work along the way. I think his experiences on Special Delivery will allow him to continue to grow and develop as a part of the Ron & Fez show.

So, really, like whichever era you want. They all have their positives.

On to instant feedback -- As stated before, on WNEW they used IF. Some of the time they were on WJFK they used AIM. On XM, I'm quite certain they have the opportunity to use on or the other but have chosen not to. I believe Ron said on the air one time that IF is distracting. I'm sure it is. Given the caliber of callers the show has gotten, I'd imagine that they would have to dig even deeper than they did at WNEW into the submissions they got for the comedy gold. Maybe it would slow the show down. Maybe not. Maybe Ron gets too bogged down with sorting through all of the responses and wouldn't be as funny. I don't know. Bottom line is that IF could help the show, but it could also hurt it.

On a nearly unrelated note, I'm glad to see people giving WJFK some respect. That era was unfairly maligned by a lot of people because it wasn't WNEW. Then again, because it was a chore to hear the show (you had to resort to "illegal" means if you weren't in the listening area for the majorityy of their tenure there, I find that many of the worst maligners of that era really didn't hear much of the show, and what they did hear was the growing pains phase when the show was firts on WJFK only when they were learning what they could and couldn't expect from their listeners. It was a change from the WNEW shows, but they were able to turn around the negatives of being taken from a great gig in NYC and exiled to Fairfax, VA and make for some pretty compelling radio.

Given that this has turned into a manifesto already, I'll add one more tangentially related thing. Earlier in this post, I mentioned the "two-a-day" period. For those unfamiliar, this was a period of a week and a half in September of 2002 when, after O&A and Scott Ferrall had been let go and the station was crumbling around them, R&F agreed to do 2 shows a day. If you ever have the opportunity to check out these shows, I highly recommend it. Some combination of stress, exhaustion and the belief that no one from corporate was paying attention made for some very nutty radio -- Rutger Hauer talking to Iris, Cyrus the Prodigy, Lenay and Kenny Allen fighting, Fez shaving his head, etc., it makes for great radio. Equal parts overnight ron and fez dot com and a more free-form XM show, it was simultaneously a nod to the future and the past.


YOU'RE DEAD TO ME IN 09!!!!!

oh wait...this is mikeyboy? oops, sorry, saw all that text and just assumed.

btw..great post. i almost skipped it because it was so long, but well worth the read. very well said. bravo. :clap:

[jimmyolsenblues]

the local callers were a million times better on WNEW...then the national hayseed inbreeds and truckers....

[A.J.]

1. Ron Bennington - without trying to come off as a kiss ass, but after 20+ years of radio Ron may be at the peak of his powers. He honestly seems like the funniest he's ever been. Also, he's always had solid interview skills, but he really wasn't this good on WNEW.

That's really a good point. Ron has always been funny to me because of his quick wit. But Ron is also a great interviewer which is something he has done more now than back in the WNEW/WJFK days so it would seem he honed is already sharp skills. He can make anyone seem interesting because he himself is so interesting a person. I mean Ron can talk intelligently about ANYTHING. (I have to give credit to Silera as this was a conversation we had at the last Bergen Bar night.)

On a nearly unrelated note, I'm glad to see people giving WJFK some respect. That era was unfairly maligned by a lot of people because it wasn't WNEW. Then again, because it was a chore to hear the show (you had to resort to "illegal" means if you weren't in the listening area for the majorityy of their tenure there, I find that many of the worst maligners of that era really didn't hear much of the show, and what they did hear was the growing pains phase when the show was firts on WJFK only when they were learning what they could and couldn't expect from their listeners. It was a change from the WNEW shows, but they were able to turn around the negatives of being taken from a great gig in NYC and exiled to Fairfax, VA and make for some pretty compelling radio.

I miss that era but I'm biased because I got to experience for myself what I envied about the WNEW listeners: the ability to go in studio, local events, etc. Look, after being at the top in NY and then being exiled to Fairfax, VA Ron and Fez could have easily mailed it in. They didn't. They adapted to the new surroundings and tried to rebuild their show around a vastly different audience. As Mikeyboy said, there were growing pains for sure but I think they made a great show in the short time they were here. The Fastest Hour In Radio will always hold a soft spot for me as that show made for some of the funniest stuff I ever heard from both Ron AND Fez.

[Freakshow]

1(cue People Ron Met in the Park).

Ron really needs to meet someone else in the park so they can use that again...

[Dell]

Listening to the show now and just noticed Dave made another Shoeless Joe reference. I heard a couple of these references during the best of shows and was wondering if this is a running gag. If so, I missed the beginning. Anyone know?

[Dell]

Listening to the show now and just noticed Dave made another Shoeless Joe reference. I heard a couple of these references during the best of shows and was wondering if this is a running gag. If so, I missed the beginning. Anyone know?

Wrong Thread... Sorry

[mylthazz]

does anyone know whose cell phone keeps going off on every show

its been happening for months now

[Aqualad]

Look, the guy wants attention, and he started the shit, not me. I was fucking around in the thread and The King Asshole jumped in telling me not to be an ass. Fuck him. If I want any shit from that internet coward I'll squeeze his head.

Internet cowards were so much better in 1976.

[GregoryJoseph]

does anyone know whose cell phone keeps going off on every show

its been happening for months now

Ronnie B's.

He's a texting machine!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Internet cowards were so much better in 1976.

Not only do you get non-clappy clappy hands post of the day... you get the slow clap non-clappy clappy hands post of the day.