john travolta's son .... dead

[cougarjake13]

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/john-travoltas-son-dies-in-bahamas/17114?nc



never knew he had a son

[Tall_James]

That's horrible.

[KatPw]

Holy shit. That is fucked up.
ETA: This article said he has Kawasaki Syndrome, which apparently fucks up your heart.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/01/02/john-travoltas-son-dies/

[Don Stugots]

very sad.

thoughts n prayers to Mr. Travolta.

[Whiskeyportal]

very sad indeed.

[PerryWinkle]

How did it happen?

[reeshy]

Neverl liked John's "acting" but I feel for the son......I pray for him!!!!!!

[PerryWinkle]

well i guess L. Ron Hubbard needed a son of an overated actor

[grlNIN]

That's a shame.

I wonder if this will either drive him to be a more fanatical Scientologist or completely give it up.

[Tall_James]

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/john-travoltas-son-dies-in-bahamas/17114?nc

When I first saw this link, I actually thought was he killed by Hamas?

[cougarjake13]

How did it happen?

he had a history of seizures


this one was fatal

[Sue_Bender]

he had a history of seizures


this one was fatal


How fatal was it?

[cougarjake13]

How fatal was it?

deathly fatal

[disneyspy]

deathly fatal

so hes gonna be ok?

[cougarjake13]

so hes gonna be ok?

with xenon he will

[GregoryJoseph]

Terribly sad news when anyone loses a child, regardless of how much fame or wealth they have.

My best thoughts go out to the grieving parents, family, and friends.

[GreatAmericanZero]

oh jeez


i always heard his son had a lot of medical problems....for some reason i thought he had downsyndrome too

[Misteriosa]

there is nothing worse for a parent than losing a child, esp when he is in the dawn of life. ive seen it tear my coworker to pieces. i can only hope that mr travolta has the support of his friends and family to help him out. my best wishes for him and his family in this terrible time.

[King Imp]

I don't agree with their stupid "religion", but I do feel for them. No one should have to go through that.

Is this the same son that has been reported as being Autistic, but because of their stupid Scientology beliefs they refuse to acknowledge that anything is wrong with him?

[GreatAmericanZero]

there is nothing worse for a parent than losing a child, esp when he is in the dawn of life. ive seen it tear my coworker to pieces. i can only hope that mr travolta has the support of his friends and family to help him out. my best wishes for him and his family in this terrible time.

yeah i hope he has the support of his wife, his boyfriend, his black boyfriend and the guy he blows so he can keep making terrible movies

[ToiletCrusher]

sad story because a father outlived his son.

[TheMojoPin]

sad story because John Travolta still lives.

Fixed.

Tragic story, but like others have mentioned, he and his wife have denied one of their kids treatment due to their beliefs. I don't know if it was this kid, but that's pretty messed up.

[TheMojoPin]

In memorium:

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[GreatAmericanZero]

Fixed.

Tragic story, but like others have mentioned, he and his wife have denied one of their kids treatment due to their beliefs. I don't know if it was this kid, but that's pretty messed up.

this kid def had a ton of medical problems his whole life..i remember reading about it (they only had 1 son). Didn't know they may have held out treatment due to that silly religion.

[~Katja~]

Fixed.

Tragic story, but like others have mentioned, he and his wife have denied one of their kids treatment due to their beliefs. I don't know if it was this kid, but that's pretty messed up.

it probably was and he should feel guilty for his death. Stupid brainwashed religious fanatics.

[GregoryJoseph]

I'm having a hard time believing that people are attacking someone whose child just died because of his personal beliefs. Obviously Mr. Travolta believed with all his heart and soul that whatever he did for his child was for the best.

It's not like medical science is infallible and has never killed anyone before.

Besides, there is absolutely ZERO proof that a medical doctor could have prevented this child's death.

[fezident]

I feel for him.
Unfortunately.... his religion will get almost as much attention as the loss of his son. Some may view Scientology as a cult, but nobody mentions Scientology more than those who don't practice it.

Condolences to John & his wife. Whatever their views.... it goes without saying that they wanted what's best for their boy .... and lived their lives accordingly.


EDIT:
and I completely agree with the post above this one.

[~Katja~]

I'm having a hard time believing that people are attacking someone whose child just died because of his personal beliefs. Obviously Mr. Travolta believed with all his heart and soul that whatever he did for his child was for the best.

It's not like medical science is infallible and has never killed anyone before.

you are right, and I do feel very sorry for his loss. Though a seizure is not a fun experience, not even for an adult and sadly people that refuse medical treatment to their children are crazy in my eyes. When a child is old enough to make it's own decisions on this matter then they should have all the freedom to do as they please. The kids usually have no say in this and are the ones who suffer.

[TheMojoPin]

I'm having a hard time believing that people are attacking someone whose child just died because of his personal beliefs. Obviously Mr. Travolta believed with all his heart and soul that whatever he did for his child was for the best.

It's not like medical science is infallible and has never killed anyone before.

No, but denying someone treatment for serious conditions typically isn't the best option.

If I had a kid and he got the pneumonia and instead of any treatment I prayed night and day to the Sky Witch and rubbed sacred dirt on him and danced the dance of healing and he died, sure, I believed with all my heart and soul that what I did was for the best, but in the big picture I chose REALLY poorly.

Hell, I can believe with all my heart and soul that not paying my utility bills is for the best, but they're still going to shut everything off for a while. Intentions don't make a decision a good or smart one.

[Judge Smails]

Look who's not talking . . . anymore.







(Too soon?)

[~Katja~]

Look who's not talking . . . anymore.







(Too soon?)

a little bit... little bit

[TheMojoPin]

Thank God we can still get John Travolta ringtones according to the ad banner at the top.

I have prepared a dramatic renactment as to how this all went down as per awesome Hubbardian logic:

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[Tenbatsuzen]

I don't agree with their stupid "religion", but I do feel for them. No one should have to go through that.

Is this the same son that has been reported as being Autistic, but because of their stupid Scientology beliefs they refuse to acknowledge that anything is wrong with him?

Aye. The rumor was that Jet was either autistic, epileptic, had downs, or all of the above.

And Gvac, if Jet was epileptic and was denied medication because of the parental beliefs, then yes, they are to blame. From what I've read, the kid died to the head trauma from falling due to the seizure, not the seizure itself.

[GreatAmericanZero]

http://www.drunkenstepfather.com/cms/ul/20090102-Picture-115.jpg

no offense to anyone, but he does look "Short bus"-y

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://www.drunkenstepfather.com/cms/ul/20090102-Picture-115.jpg

no offense to anyone, but he does look "Short bus"-y

Exactly what I was going to say. Kawasaki wasn't the kid's only problem. He's definitely doesn't have downs, but definitely has the look of being developmentally disabled and probably autistic.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2009/01/0102_travolta_son_ex_splash.jpg

[grlNIN]

He just looks like a fat wop.

I don't think there is anything that "alarming" about his appearance.

[GreatAmericanZero]

he actually looks kinda like king hippo

[Fallon]

http://www.drunkenstepfather.com/cms/ul/20090102-Picture-115.jpg

no offense to anyone, but he does look "Short bus"-y

Get Shortbus?

[A.J.]

Thank God we can still get John Travolta ringtones according to the ad banner at the top.

I have prepared a dramatic renactment as to how this all went down as per awesome Hubbardian logic:

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His katra lives on.

[GregoryJoseph]

I was very glad to hear Ron put Fez in his place today concerning the Travolta family's tragedy.

He was dead on.

[fezident]

I would really like to hear that break.
If you have it in mp3 format... I'd love to grab it from you.

If not... I'll nag Mikeyboy to add it to the library.

[GregoryJoseph]

I would really like to hear that break.
If you have it in mp3 format... I'd love to grab it from you.

If not... I'll nag Mikeyboy to add it to the library.

Looks like you gotta nag mikeyboy!

I don't have a recordable XM device. Wish I did.

[KatPw]

http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/ny-ettrav0105,0,3085968.story

So the autopsy was performed, and the cause of death was listed as "seizure".

[Furtherman]

I was very glad to hear Ron put Fez in his place today concerning the Travolta family's tragedy.

He was dead on.

QFT.

This story is beyond sad.

[Kevin]

I am sorry but these parents need to be charged with neglect and some kind of murder charge. From everywhere i am hearing, this could have been prevented with treatment. Respect and freedom of religon is one thing, but it goes out the window when the health of a child is concerned. This is a disgrace.

[~Katja~]

I am sorry but these parents need to be charged with neglect and some kind of murder charge. From everywhere i am hearing, this could have been prevented with treatment. Respect and freedom of religon is one thing, but it goes out the window when the health of a child is concerned. This is a disgrace.

I don't think they could be charged (aside from the fact that we have no information or proof that they did not actually treat him with any meds). My problem with this is; celebrity or not; as a parent you have to protect the well being of your child, you can even get in trouble for not taking them to their check ups at doctors, they can't attends school without check ups and so forth.
If in fact they refused any treatment for their son for religious reasons, how is that different than abusing him, let's say in a Monchausen kind of way?
The child's body is harmed and he/ she has no control over it until it gets older.

Parents are punished for mistreating their children, physically and mentally abusing them, not taking good care of them, leaving them unattended, giving them alcohol or surrounding them with a non-suited environment; how come they won't be made responsible (and I am not just talking about this case) for making irresponsible choices due to their religious beliefs, and causing the kid years of suffering.

Not that long ago there was a case of a toddler whose teeth had completely rotted away and the parent was arrested for neglect and abuse; had they stated they did not take the kid to a dentist and brush his teeth for religious reasons; would he get a free pass too?

[Furtherman]

I am sorry but these parents need to be charged with neglect and some kind of murder charge. From everywhere i am hearing, this could have been prevented with treatment. Respect and freedom of religon is one thing, but it goes out the window when the health of a child is concerned. This is a disgrace.

I'm not sure where you are "hearing" that they neglected their child in any way. It's all speculation based solely on the basis on their religion.

[RoseBlood]

I am sorry but these parents need to be charged with neglect and some kind of murder charge. From everywhere i am hearing, this could have been prevented with treatment. Respect and freedom of religon is one thing, but it goes out the window when the health of a child is concerned. This is a disgrace.
I don't agree one iota with their religions stance on mental-illness and psychiatry, but I hope if such an unfortunate event were to come your way, people would be kind enough to give you the benefit of the doubt and gather facts, rather than condemn you based on (tabloid) heresay.
Also, I'm not sure, but it's been my understanding anti-seizure medication doesn't necessarily guarantee you will be seizure-free.

[A.J.]

I hope the treatments for this kid didn't involve going up the nose with a rubber hose.

[~Katja~]

I don't agree one iota with their religions stance on mental-illness and psychiatry, but I hope if such an unfortunate event were to come your way, people would be kind enough to give you the benefit of the doubt and gather facts, rather than condemn you based on (tabloid) heresay.
Also, I'm not sure, but it's been my understanding anti-seizure medication doesn't necessarily guarantee you will be seizure-free.

It seems the press has not any information on his medical treatments. (nor should they)
All conditions and treatments referenced are from the time the kid was 2-4 years old (from Kawasaki's Disease to medications given and stopped to treat the seizures)

[KatPw]

I've been doing some reading on the Operation Clambake forums (anti-COS board, many members are ex-COS) and several people linked to older news/gossip page stories that state that Jett was on depakote for quite some time, but was taken off of it due to the fact it was damaging his liver. The only thing I find interesting about this is the fact that they were treating the child with a drug that is also used to treat conditions such as bi-polar. Although it is not the drugs only usage (it is prescribed to many epileptics) I know that COS is against any psychiatric drugs. I wonder if the usage of these drugs is okay with COS doctrine as long as it is not being used to treat a psychiatric condition. So it seems that the child was receiving medical attention, and this is just an unfortunate tragedy.

[~Katja~]

I've been doing some reading on the Operation Clambake forums (anti-COS board, many members are ex-COS) and several people linked to older news/gossip page stories that state that Jett was on depakote for quite some time, but was taken off of it due to the fact it was damaging his liver. The only thing I find interesting about this is the fact that they were treating the child with a drug that is also used to treat conditions such as bi-polar. Although it is not the drugs only usage (it is prescribed to many epileptics) I know that COS is against any psychiatric drugs. I wonder if the usage of these drugs is okay with COS doctrine as long as it is not being used to treat a psychiatric condition. So it seems that the child was receiving medical attention, and this is just an unfortunate tragedy.

I read about the same drug but also read that the medication more commonly causes liver damage to children under two and only 1 in 50.000 patients reported any type of liver issues...
that in combination with the fact that Kawasaki disease is diagnosed in kids under 4 (and in his case at the age of 2) and usually heals within a few weeks to months kind of lead me to believe that all his known treatments were from the time before he was even 4.

[Kevin]

You guys are right. I should have said if everything said ia true. Its not fair to speculate on a famlies life, if you don't have all the facts.

[KatPw]

I read about the same drug but also read that the medication more commonly causes liver damage to children under two and only 1 in 50.000 patients reported any type of liver issues...
that in combination with the fact that Kawasaki disease is diagnosed in kids under 4 (and in his case at the age of 2) and usually heals within a few weeks to months kind of lead me to believe that all his known treatments were from the time before he was even 4.

Could be, I haven't come across anything regarding age and liver damage in regards to depakote. And seizures are not associated with Kawasaki syndrome. I have come across audio of L. Ron Hubbard slamming drug treatments for epilepsy.

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This coming from a man that was a known pill-head. I guess since he took so many that made him an expert.
COS has a history of covering up deaths, there have been quite a few people who have died due to their "treatments", so I doubt this situation will be any different.

[grlNIN]

I was watching a few news briefs last night about it and they had reported that Jett was pretty much unable to speak and communicate with people, which led him to have a more hostile demeanor.

They also said (in interviews shown with Travolta himself) that they were basically using a sauna to detoxify his body from everything bad in the environment and his system and that they stopped using the Depakote (which brought his seizures from once every 4 days to once every 3 weeks) because it became ineffective.

I feel for them but at the same time everything is not adding up and i think they're trying to be vague about it. I don't care what the religious affiliation is, they should be held accountable.

I'm just waiting for Tom Cruise to swoop to their defense with his batshit logic.

[~Katja~]

Could be, I haven't come across anything regarding age and liver damage in regards to depakote. And seizures are not associated with Kawasaki syndrome. I have come across audio of L. Ron Hubbard slamming drug treatments for epilepsy.

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This coming from a man that was a known pill-head. I guess since he took so many that made him an expert.
COS has a history of covering up deaths, there have been quite a few people who have died due to their "treatments", so I doubt this situation will be any different.


I would have to search for the articles I read for the facts about the age again, but I think that in any case it is a great excuse to use for not continuing treatment of a condition (not saying that this is in fact the case with the Travoltra's, but it probably is a common excuse used by scientologists when justifying discontinuation or refusal of medications for their kids)

[KatPw]

I'm just waiting for Tom Cruise to swoop to their defense with his batshit logic.Tom Cruise may not run to their aid. Tommy Davis, the head COS muckety muck has supposedly already thrown the Travolta's under the bus on this:
In response to the claim that the family might not have sought appropriate, conventional medical treatment for Jett’s seizures, Tommy Davis from Scientology International says that simply isn’t allowed under Scientology practices.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28511424/

“Scientologists seek conventional medical treatment for medical conditions. Scientologists use prescription drugs when physically ill and also rely on the advice and treatment of medical doctors. The church does not involve itself in the diagnosis or classification of any medical condition,” says Davis.

(If you’re wondering how the church’s stance might apply to Tom Cruise’s now-infamous argument with Matt Lauer of the use of anti-depressants, Davis points out, “That centered around a psychological diagnosis, not a medical diagnosis, there’s a distinction.”)


I would have to search for the articles I read for the facts about the age again, but I think that in any case it is a great excuse to use for not continuing treatment of a condition (not saying that this is in fact the case with the Travoltra's, but it probably is a common excuse used by scientologists when justifying discontinuation or refusal of medications for their kids)

I agree, I think it might just be a common excuse that they use.

[psycho]

I agree that you just gotta leave them alone, this is such a horrible tragedy that will scar them for the rest of their lives and the constant badgering of them by people has just got to be making it so much worse.

[angrymissy]

I've been doing some reading on the Operation Clambake forums (anti-COS board, many members are ex-COS) and several people linked to older news/gossip page stories that state that Jett was on depakote for quite some time, but was taken off of it due to the fact it was damaging his liver. The only thing I find interesting about this is the fact that they were treating the child with a drug that is also used to treat conditions such as bi-polar. Although it is not the drugs only usage (it is prescribed to many epileptics) I know that COS is against any psychiatric drugs. I wonder if the usage of these drugs is okay with COS doctrine as long as it is not being used to treat a psychiatric condition. So it seems that the child was receiving medical attention, and this is just an unfortunate tragedy.

I read that the Depakote was used until it became ineffective, which happens frequently... no one will ever probably get the whole story on his treatment. Very sad all around.

[RoseBlood]

You guys are right. I should have said if everything said ia true. Its not fair to speculate on a famlies life, if you don't have all the facts.

Wow.. very impressive of you to be able to "man-up" and admit when you "might" have jumped to conclusions, cause there really is no definitive wrong or right here, just a very shitty situation no matter how you look at it. I was/am having a crabby ass day and your previous post struck a nerve with me, so sorry if I was bitchy, it happens from time to time. http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/innocent/innocent0009.gif

[Kevin]

Wow.. very impressive of you to be able to "man-up" and admit when you "might" have jumped to conclusions, cause there really is no definitive wrong or right here, just a very shitty situation no matter how you look at it. I was/am having a crabby ass day and your previous post struck a nerve with me, so sorry if I was bitchy, it happens from time to time. http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/innocent/innocent0009.gif

No biggie. Didn't really look at as crabby. I looked at how i would feel if that happened to my family, and people kept speculating on things, instead of waiting to know the facts, and give me time to grieve.

[celery]

I would really like to hear that break.
If you have it in mp3 format... I'd love to grab it from you.

If not... I'll nag Mikeyboy to add it to the library.

Here it is:

http://www.2shared.com/file/4593089/21ca75b4/2009-01-05-RF-CF64k_travolta.html

[Dan 'Hampton]

I read that the Depakote was used until it became ineffective, which happens frequently... no one will ever probably get the whole story on his treatment. Very sad all around.

And why should we he wasn't a public figure. I don't care who his parents are. The kid led a tough life and he's dead now.

[fezident]

I know everything on a message board is opinion-based but, it bugs the shit outta me when people make comments aboot Scientology based on ZERO research. Or even worse... based on pure gossip.

I remember hearing this shit back when "Crazy-Cruise wouldn't let Captive-Katie talk during the delivery of their baby".
UNTRUE.
Completely untrue on every possible level.
But it didn't (doesn't) stop people from judging him as though it were true.



Now we have Travolta.
Scientology has been very clear on this issue. Not only do they "believe" in treating injuries and various ailments with the proper meds but... there are many licensed MD's out there that are also Scientologists.

Make fun of Xenu and Thatens all you want. But you take all the same medications that Scientologists do.

The issue stems from the fact that Scientologists believe that chemicals are not the answer for everything!! They believe in looking inward. They believe in guidance too. It's self-help.
And they are acutely aware of the many many many side effects that are listed on every single box of medicine you've ever swallowed.

Who gives a FUCK if they believe in aliens? I say.... go ahead and believe that somebody walked on water if it makes YOU feel better. They'll believe in aliens because it makes THEM feel better.


Somebody once explained it to me like this:
What would you let a baby eat? What would you let a baby listen to? What would you inject into a newborn?
Would you let an infant take a shitload of pills for sleeplessness? No.
Would you let a baby drink a two liter of Pepsi every day? No.
Do you lower the volume of your stereo when a baby is in your house? Yep.
Do you protect your baby's hearing, vision, and skin?? You sure do.

You're a Scientologist.

If your baby had an injury, would you just keep pumping it full of novacaine and let him pick at it? Why not?? It doesn't hurt, right? No harm. Just mask the pain with drugs and everything's fine, right?

That's a simplified view of their stance on treating psychiatric problems.
Don't mask the symptoms. Address them.


That's it in a nutshell.


Burning bushes, parting seas, loaves & fish, aliens, walking on water, curing the blind, .... who gives a shit?

[KatPw]

Somebody once explained it to me like this:
What would you let a baby eat? What would you let a baby listen to? What would you inject into a newborn?
Would you let an infant take a shitload of pills for sleeplessness? No.
Would you let a baby drink a two liter of Pepsi every day? No.
Do you lower the volume of your stereo when a baby is in your house? Yep.
Do you protect your baby's hearing, vision, and skin?? You sure do.

You're a Scientologist.

That's not Scientology, that is common sense.

If your baby had an injury, would you just keep pumping it full of novacaine and let him pick at it? Why not?? It doesn't hurt, right? No harm. Just mask the pain with drugs and everything's fine, right?
Again, common sense dictates that people should not do these things. A doctor is not going to just "pump your kid full of novacaine" because of an injury. And masking pain by taking medications because you don't want to treat the underlying issue is completely different than someone taking medication for epileptic seizures.

That's a simplified view of their stance on treating psychiatric problems.
Don't mask the symptoms. Address them.And that is a big problem with believing their doctrine. They don't believe that there are psychiatric conditions that require medication, they think their "treatments" are just as effective, or more so. Yet where is their data to back up their claims? There are none.

[fezident]

Kat.
We're saying the same thing.
My point was that much of what they "preach" is exactly that... common sense. Which is why I take issue with people who think it's some kinda craaaaazy belief system.

Also, from what I've gathered, Scientologists don't contend that there's simply no such thing as mental illness. They DO believe that not every single problem is a "disorder". And the ones that ARE disorders don't necessarily need to be pounded to death with chemicals. Especially pills that might have side effects that are worse than the original condition.

EDIT:
I don't profess to be an expert on this subject. I'm just bothered by people who think they know about this topic... but when you ask them where they get their info... they have no answer.

[KatPw]

Sorry Fezident, I read your post a totally different way. I have done a lot of reading about COS, and I've watched a few documentaries and interviews with ex-members. If you are interested, operation clambake is an interesting site http://www.clambake.org/ .

[fezident]

Celery... that link was a no go for me.
Can you recreate it for me? Thanxxx.

(I would've sent you a PM but, perhaps there are other posters that want it as well.)


Kat. Thanks for the link. From the name of it, it sounds kinda jokey. Is it a sincere website that contains factual information? (I can't click it here on my phone)

[CambriaBurning]

The family pictures really make it more depressing...

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2009/01/05/travolta470.jpg

[KatPw]

Celery... that link was a no go for me.
Can you recreate it for me? Thanxxx.

(I would've sent you a PM but, perhaps there are other posters that want it as well.)


Kat. Thanks for the link. From the name of it, it sounds kinda jokey. Is it a sincere website that contains factual information? (I can't click it here on my phone)

It's most definitely a legit site. I started reading it around the time of the first Anon attacks against COS last year. Lots of Ex-COS stories, videos, leaked COS documents. I have no idea why it's named what it is.

[Dan 'Hampton]

It's most definitely a legit site. I started reading it around the time of the first Anon attacks against COS last year. Lots of Ex-COS stories, videos, leaked COS documents. I have no idea why it's named what it is.

At least there's no agenda.

[KatPw]

At least there's no agenda.

Every site has an agenda. Ex-COS members have a right to tell their stories, just like COS has a right to spread their doctrine.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Scientology wouldn't bother me so much if it wasn't all up in our faces. Outside of celebrities with obviously Jewish names, I couldn't tell you what the religions are of most celebrities outside of the known scientologists and Mel Gibson, only because Mel is a hardcore Catholic.

I admit the thing about the Scientology mysticism vs. Christianity is punch-for-punch crazy, but I also know that most forms of Christianity (televangelists notwithstanding) doesn't bilk you out of your money just to find out it's secrets. I also know that Christianity doesn't have it's own military. Sea Org, hello!

[KatPw]

Scientology wouldn't bother me so much if it wasn't all up in our faces. Outside of celebrities with obviously Jewish names, I couldn't tell you what the religions are of most celebrities outside of the known scientologists and Mel Gibson, only because Mel is a hardcore Catholic.

I admit the thing about the Scientology mysticism vs. Christianity is punch-for-punch crazy, but I also know that most forms of Christianity (televangelists notwithstanding) doesn't bilk you out of your money just to find out it's secrets. I also know that Christianity doesn't have it's own military. Sea Org, hello!

Well, the Pope has an army, but I don't know if they would be very useful in actual combat. They wear very fancy pants though http://z.about.com/d/german/1/0/U/b/1/SwissGrd250.jpg. Now that's an outfit!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Well, the Pope has an army, but I don't know if they would be very useful in actual combat. They wear very fancy pants though http://z.about.com/d/german/1/0/U/b/1/SwissGrd250.jpg. Now that's an outfit!

Technically, Vatican City is it's own country, so they are entitled to their own military and security force, especially protecting the Pope.

[celery]

Celery... that link was a no go for me.
Can you recreate it for me? Thanxxx.


Sure, try this

http://finaltableteam.com/files/2009-01-05-R&F-CF64k_travolta.mp3

[fezident]

Thanks. That was a great break.
(It's been quite a while since I've heard the buddays)