Earl takes a header...

[robot artist]

If Earl was smart, he'd take this work related injury and parlay it into never-ending workmans compensation.

Then he'd never have to work a day in his life. Oh wait...

[Meataball23]

Fire Earl!!!!!

[instrument]

Thankfully he fell on the one part of his body that contains no vital organs.

[NYHCmikeX]

When did this happen? First thing today? I need to know so I can catch the weekend replay of it.

[MavisBeacon]

if this results in Danny getting fired, i would be the happiest ever.:clap::clap::clap::clap:

[yomudder21]

enough of earl. :wallbash:

[cigarsandscotch]

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y214/cigarsandscotch/EarlKnockedOut.gif

[~Katja~]

When did this happen? First thing today? I need to know so I can catch the weekend replay of it.

at the end of O&A today. Also on Hear us talk and paltalk.

[Farmer Dave]

Danny had a bug up his ass all morning. I really don't see how this is Earl's fault, but I only heard what was going on. I didn't see it.

[patrick187]

I think it's time for earl to go.

[arthritis]

Why did Earl fall? What does Danny have to do with it?

[DOHO@HOME]

Why did Earl fall? What does Danny have to do with it?

Danny was fuckin earl in the ass and then steve started fuckin danny in the ass and then
Sam was fuckin steve in the ass and then e-rock fucked sam so hard in the ass that earl fell off danny's cock and bumped his head on Patties harden never been fucked pussy lips.

[Hendo]

What actually happened to earl? I only started listening at one. No made up stories please, odds are they won't be funny. See above

[arthritis]

from the listening thread:

DANNY TACKLED EARL WHEN EARL WAS TRYING TO BLOCK OPIE FROM SPRAYING FEZZIE WITH LIQ. ASS. DANNY TOOK HIS LEGS OUT FROM UNDER HIM AND EARL SMACKED THE BACK OF HIS HEAD ON THE FLOOR. OUT COLD!

Sounds like Danny may be in trouble.

[Hendo]

DAMN. That's nuts. I may have to put up with listening to O&A to hear this this weekend

[arthritis]

I don't think it's worth it. I hate when something relevant to R&F happens on O&A. I just can't listen to the same jokes anymore.

[Dan 'Hampton]

DAMN. That's nuts. I may have to put up with listening to O&A to hear this this weekend

Amazing. You actually think they'll be allowed to play that?

[predators1998]

How many times does Ron have to give Earl this same speech? Enough already.

[RogerPodacter]

earl was on OnA at end of show and they were goofing around and someone kinda picked up earl and he fell backwards onto the floor hitting his head. then OnA didnt know if earl was faking it, or going with a bit, or if he was really out of it. cause earl wasnt talking and it seemed like he was knocked out or unconscious. i guess EMT people eventually came and that's where we stand. story over.

oh and fez was there on the OnA show too but he refused to speak and OnA kept telling him "fez this is serious the bit's over is earl alright?" but fez wouldnt budge.

[Manster72]

no bit. i cant take this FIRE EARL. enough already god damn it enough of earl its not my show im not in charge but im a fan thats it thats all i am a fan, but that has to count for sumthing. please dear god let these words be heard by an ear that can do sumthin FIRE EARL

[predators1998]

earl was on OnA at end of show and they were goofing around and someone kinda picked up earl and he fell backwards onto the floor hitting his head. then OnA didnt know if earl was faking it, or going with a bit, or if he was really out of it. cause earl wasnt talking and it seemed like he was knocked out or unconscious. i guess EMT people eventually came and that's where we stand. story over.

oh and fez was there on the OnA show too but he refused to speak and OnA kept telling him "fez this is serious the bit's over is earl alright?" but fez wouldnt budge.

Cause Fez is a champ. He won't blow this bit until tomorrow.

[jimmystaint]

no bit. i cant take this FIRE EARL. enough already god damn it enough of earl its not my show im not in charge but im a fan thats it thats all i am a fan, but that has to count for sumthing. please dear god let these words be heard by an ear that can do sumthin FIRE EARL

I agree 100% I know nothing about radio and I am fairly certain I could do a better job than him.

[Public Pretender]

What a giant pain in the ass.

[predators1998]

Cause Fez is a champ. He won't blow this bit until tomorrow.

Jesus, couldn't hold out one more day could you budday?

[robot artist]

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[mikeyboy]

http://www.uploadgeek.com/uploads456/1/FAILdozer.jpg (http://www.uploadgeek.com)

Oh shit. How a propos. Back on the front page...

[cigarsandscotch]

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bwhahahaha

[Hammond Eggars]

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[robot artist]

If I may play Devils advocate here...

As much as I enjoy any show where Black Earl gets roasted over the fire, it almost seems to me that this might be the one time Earl is actually telling the truth.

It is possible that Earl sustained a mild concussion smacking his head on the floor. Enough to knock him unconscious, and genuinely make him unaware of exactly what had just happened.

In other words, this wasn't one of Earls fainting spells at all, but the real deal. But like the boy who cries wolf (or goat) - it comes too late - no one believes him.

[PerryWinkle]

If I may play Devils advocate here...

As much as I enjoy any show where Black Earl gets roasted over the fire, it almost seems to me that this might be the one time Earl is actually telling the truth.

It is possible that Earl sustained a mild concussion smacking his head on the floor. Enough to knock him unconcious, and genuinely make him unaware of exactly what had just happened.

In other words, this wasn't one of Earls fainting spells at all, but the real deal. But like the boy who cries wolf (or goat) - it comes too late - no one believes him.

:thumbdown:Is this earl?

[Earlshog]

If I may play Devils advocate here...

As much as I enjoy any show where Black Earl gets roasted over the fire, it almost seems to me that this might be the one time Earl is actually telling the truth.

It is possible that Earl sustained a mild concussion smacking his head on the floor. Enough to knock him unconcious, and genuinely make him unaware of exactly what had just happened.

In other words, this wasn't one of Earls fainting spells at all, but the real deal. But like the boy who cries wolf (or goat) - it comes too late - no one believes him.

I read your post in Al Pachinos voice

[Serpico1103]

If I may play Devils advocate here...

As much as I enjoy any show where Black Earl gets roasted over the fire, it almost seems to me that this might be the one time Earl is actually telling the truth.

It is possible that Earl sustained a mild concussion smacking his head on the floor. Enough to knock him unconscious, and genuinely make him unaware of exactly what had just happened.

In other words, this wasn't one of Earls fainting spells at all, but the real deal. But like the boy who cries wolf (or goat) - it comes too late - no one believes him.

RRRRRR, I am the devil, RRRRRRRRR.

If they thought Earl had a concussion they would have told him that. They did not. Earl shuts down when there is the least amount of stress. Whether it is voluntary or not, it is his defense system against stress.
That is fine, but he can't work as an EP if he can't handle stress.
If I got tackled and got knocked out at work, I would be pissed!!!! Earl was his usual befuddlingly vague self.

[Farmer Dave]

I really don't see how this is Earl's fault, but I only heard what was going on.

I would like to remove this portion of my post from the record. After listening to Earl upon his return, screw him. No one would sit and take those accusations if they were total off base. He doesn't know the meaning of doing the right thing. Forgive me for giving him the benifit of the doubt.

[tiny e]

This board is constantly tell each other that "Ron is a Genius" or "Ron is a God", yet you apparently think he isn't capable of making basic business decisions. If Earl was really hurting the show as much as the on air bits are portraying - don't you think a Genius would have already replaced him?

Just a thought -

[GregoryJoseph]

This board is constantly tell each other that "Ron is a Genius" or "Ron is a God", yet you apparently think he isn't capable of making basic business decisions. If Earl was really hurting the show as much as the on air bits are portraying - don't you think a Genius would have already replaced him?

Just a thought -

Ron and Fez have NEVER fired anyone, and probably never will. It's not their way. Ron firmly believes in giving everyone as many chances as they're willing to take. He also believes in giving them enough rope to hang themselves, and then leaves the decision up to them.

The frustration Ronnie expressed on the air today was due to the fact that when he's not there to babysit, those around him consistently make poor decisions. He was terribly disappointed that the boys used the bonus midnight show as an excuse to get hammered, which left them in no shape to perform today. He's probably also disheartened that Earl really hasn't put it all together by now and become a true leader, like an Executive Producer is supposed to.

When Ron was trying to get Earl to say he'd accept all the blame for today's "unconscious" episode, he knew Earl wouldn't do it. Why would he? Whenever there's a breakdown in the show or a production screw up, does Earl take responsibility? Never. He points the finger at others instead of stepping up and saying "I'm the EP, I accept all responsibility."

[lleeder]

Ron and Fez have NEVER fired anyone, and probably never will. It's not their way. Ron firmly believes in giving everyone as many chances as they're willing to take. He also believes in giving them enough rope to hang themselves, and then leaves the decision up to them.

The frustration Ronnie expressed on the air today was due to the fact that when he's not there to babysit, those around him consistently make poor decisions. He was terribly disappointed that the boys used the bonus midnight show as an excuse to get hammered, which left them in no shape to perform today. He's probably also disheartened that Earl really hasn't put it all together by now and become a true leader, like an Executive Producer is supposed to.

When Ron was trying to get Earl to say he'd accept all the blame for today's "unconscious" episode, he knew Earl wouldn't do it. Why would he? Whenever there's a breakdown in the show or a production screw up, does Earl take responsibility? Never. He points the finger at others instead of stepping up and saying "I'm the EP, I accept all responsibility."

I didn't hear last nights show but I think it was a huge mistake to use it as a chance to get wasted. Was Sam in studio? I think that Sam should have made an effort to be there and Dave should have been sober. Earl proved that he doesn't deserve to advance in the company today. With the fragility of the radio business I think Dave still has to show the bosses he's more than a drunk. Sam and Dave could have had alot more exposure if they were with Fez all day yesterday. I know Sam had O&A today so that might have been too hard to pull off. He had a perfect O&A show so maybe not coming in last night worked well for him.

[disgruntledsherpa]

if this results in Danny getting fired, i would be the happiest ever.:clap::clap::clap::clap:

I agree.

[Farmer Dave]

I didn't hear last nights show but I think it was a huge mistake to use it as a chance to get wasted. Was Sam in studio? I think that Sam should have made an effort to be there and Dave should have been sober. Earl proved that he doesn't deserve to advance in the company today. With the fragility of the radio business I think Dave still has to show the bosses he's more than a drunk. Sam and Dave could have had alot more exposure if they were with Fez all day yesterday. I know Sam had O&A today so that might have been too hard to pull off. He had a perfect O&A show so maybe not coming in last night worked well for him.

I didn't hear last night's either, but Ron's disappointment sure sounded real to me. Sam could not have been a more perfect sarcastic prick then he was today.

[h8mtv]

Danny is a cocky little asshole but he is also very funny and puts in his hours according to Ron. I think he is a solid asset. But that is just my opinion.

[underdog]

I know Sam had O&A today so that might have been too hard to pull off. He had a perfect O&A show so maybe not coming in last night worked well for him.

Sam was as good as he's ever been on O&A today.

[capnmorgan]

If I may play Devils advocate here...

As much as I enjoy any show where Black Earl gets roasted over the fire, it almost seems to me that this might be the one time Earl is actually telling the truth.

It is possible that Earl sustained a mild concussion smacking his head on the floor. Enough to knock him unconscious, and genuinely make him unaware of exactly what had just happened.

In other words, this wasn't one of Earls fainting spells at all, but the real deal. But like the boy who cries wolf (or goat) - it comes too late - no one believes him.

I think the interesting point is this.
If I was to be taken by ambulance right now to the hospital with nothing wrong me. It would take a full hour and a half to be transported - triaged - seen by doctor - released - cab back here. Now the nearest hospital is literally 2 miles away. Earl was transported to a Manhattan hospital, triaged, seen by doctor, given an mri, released and cabbed back to XM, in under 3 hours.

As a male, wrestling with other is normal, if not slightly creepy when the boss moans. We constantly horse around in my job and throw each other around.
If someone gets hurt you stop and pick the guy up, he rubs the hurt spot and game is over.
Earl is attempting to save his ass or get someone in trouble for this. And I would have to say Danny is on the hot seat. Some like him some hate him. I think hes great for the show but was a rude little prick first time i met him at FH Rileys. So although I am not happy with his existance he serves a greater purpose.


But what do I know I have a low post count

[Snoogans]

I read your post in Al Pachinos voice

I'M A FAN OF MAN!!!!!!!!!!

[oh_kee_pa]

But what do I know I have a low post count[/QUOTE]

and your from Seaford... so thats two bad things going for oyu
what part?
anywhere near the Island Trees school district

[Small..Balls]

In all fairness to Earl, there is one important point that everyone seems to be missing. I was listening to the O&A replay when Earl was Fez's bodyguard while he was silent. Earl clearly and firmly warned everyone in the O&A studio that he would go "apeshit" and "completely insane" if anyone tried to mess with Fez.

Clearly, he followed through on his promise more than anyone could have expected.:wacko:

[CruelCircus]

Maybe I missed something, but I don't see how this is Earl's fault.

Danny admitted more than once he picked up Earl's legs. When you're wrestling with someone and you lift their legs, there's a better than decent chance he's going to lose his balance and fall backwards, it doesn't take a lot of force.
And once you hit the back of your head on the floor, there's any number of bad things that can happen to you.

Danny is the one who fucked up, not Earl. Or Opie, for instigating Fez & Earl into the studio to begin with, if you want to go in that direction.

[Unshavenfan]

Earl was Fez's bodyguard

Does this make Earl a Hero?

[The Jays]

Maybe I missed something, but I don't see how this is Earl's fault.

Danny admitted more than once he picked up Earl's legs. When you're wrestling with someone and you lift their legs, there's a better than decent chance he's going to lose his balance and fall backwards, it doesn't take a lot of force.
And once you hit the back of your head on the floor, there's any number of bad things that can happen to you.

Danny is the one who fucked up, not Earl. Or Opie, for instigating Fez & Earl into the studio to begin with, if you want to go in that direction.

It is Earl's fault because he's a liar and a loser. Danny did not fuck up, he did not give Earl a concussion, he didn't even hurt Earl. Earl is a faker, he has faked before, and he faked it this time, just because he likes the attention. Ron stated all of this flat out on the air, and told the bosses the same thing.

Earl is a liar, and a pussy. Guys roughhouse, if they fall down, they get back up and suck it up if they got hurt...ESPECIALLY with corporate breathing down the necks. So what does Earl do? He fakes a concussion, fake memory loss, and take a trip to the hospital... and in less then 3 hours, we are to believe he was transported, triaged, cat scanned, and given a clean bill of health... WITH NO CONCUSSION OR BRAIN DAMAGE... now, Earl just keeps on pretending that he doesn't remember what happened, and that it's all hazy... it is bullshit, because this little incident is beyond just Danny.... it reflects on the 202 shows, BADLY.

[disgruntledsherpa]

It is Earl's fault because he's a liar and a loser. Danny did not fuck up, he did not give Earl a concussion, he didn't even hurt Earl. Earl is a faker, he has faked before, and he faked it this time, just because he likes the attention. Ron stated all of this flat out on the air, and told the bosses the same thing.

Earl is a liar, and a pussy. Guys roughhouse, if they fall down, they get back up and suck it up if they got hurt...ESPECIALLY with corporate breathing down the necks. So what does Earl do? He fakes a concussion, fake memory loss, and take a trip to the hospital... and in less then 3 hours, we are to believe he was transported, triaged, cat scanned, and given a clean bill of health... WITH NO CONCUSSION OR BRAIN DAMAGE... now, Earl just keeps on pretending that he doesn't remember what happened, and that it's all hazy... it is bullshit, because this little incident is beyond just Danny.... it reflects on the 202 shows, BADLY.


Doesn't change the fact that Danny is a complete and total asshole.

[Phild]

Earl should be fired for faking it - Screw Earl:thumbdown:

[Teevie Alan]

I'm bewildered by the Danny-hating. Daniel Ross has added so much quality to the Virus channel [see: SNV] and clearly has so much love for both shows. How could anyone ever impugn his motives? As for the personal bickering & drama from Friday, obviously it's difficult to imagine the timing being much worse. The economy's in the toilet, and Sirius-XM is as twitchy as a crack whore, but I have to hope our "little show" pulls through. Everyone across the nation probably had a shitty first post-vacation week back to work & I hope the satellite suits will appreciate that the talent and commitment our boys have displayed in better times far outweigh a stupid accident like this.

[CruelCircus]

"Danny did not fuck up?"

How is physically attacking and possibly injuring another co-worker anything but a fuck-up?! Unless you work for the WWE, there's no call for attacking someone in the workplace. I'm not sure where you've worked, but in the places I've worked, "roughhousing" at all, let alone to a point where someone slams their head on the ground, would lead to severe disciplinary action, if not outright firing.

Even if Earl was faking the result, Danny DID take that improper physical action. That's not even questionable! I'm certianly not one to defend everything that Earl does, but I have said before that b/c of his past sins (real or perceived), and his seeming inability to articulate a defense even when one seems obviously available, he often is attacked and blamed for things unfairly.

Contrary to how it was portrayed in Ron's anger (and even Ron admitted he was already pissed at the whole staff from when he woke up this morning), Earl did not call or ask for the EMT's to be called. It was JIMMY, with genuine concern in his voice, who insisted someone be called, with Opie then agreeing. Both Opie AND Jimmy said on air they saw Earl's head hit the floor. Head hitting floor = don't fuck around, be safe, call for help. This is not a schoolyard, it's a place of business. You can't just "walk it off, deek." If something truly serious was wrong and no one did anything about it, it would be MUCH WORSE trouble for the company than being overly cautious.

Contrary to what Fez said, at the time it happened, once Earl started talking he DID say he didn't remember exactly what happened. He wasn't able to speak for minutes. He said he felt dizzy and his vision was blurry. Ron himself said that at the time Earl told him he didn't know what happened. This is all consistent with a hard blow to the head. Maybe I'm naive, but I find it terribly hard to believe that someone would pretend to have all of those symptons and then continue to pretend to the point of being taken to the hospital. No one who was in the studio at that time except Danny (and Anthony & Patti, who said they didn't see it) denied that Earl hit his head on the floor- Opie, Mr. Evil of all people, showed concern and said they should call someone. I'm not sure why Ron was so angry about that part of it- that seems to be the least disputable part of the whole incident.

"in less then 3 hours, we are to believe he was transported, triaged, cat scanned, and given a clean bill of health... WITH NO CONCUSSION OR BRAIN DAMAGE... "

I don't understand your point here. If he had a concussion or brain damage then it would be ok for him to get released so quickly? What is in doubt? He clearly went to the hospital- even Ron said he saw him getting into the ambulance. He went to the hospital, was cleared, and went back to the studio. Are you suggesting he left AMA? Again, how is it Earl's fault that the hospital only kept him for two hours?

"reflects on the 202 shows, BADLY."

Yes, of course it does. And it should. But that's not Earl's fault. Opie instigated the situation, basically manipulating Danny into fighting Earl, and Danny willingly did the deed. This isn't the first time O&A staff physically confronted R&F staff. (Remember Roland/Dave? And everyone here said Roland was wrong when that went down. If Roland was wrong, why isn't Danny?) The hosts should not be allowing any kind of fighting in their studio- it's too dangerous, and there's too much liablility. Plus, they should be simply genuinely concerned about the safety of their people!

I'm not saying Danny should be fired, but he's definitely the wrong party here.

Earl's failed on a number of things, folks, but this ain't one of 'em.

Lastly, as for Earl "saving" Danny, that's up to him, but I don't know what sort of goodwill Danny has earned with him that would make Earl even want to help. This incident aside, Danny ruined his BRC show, and by all accounts picks on and makes fun of him behind the scenes with everybody else. Why should Earl care about Danny's life? That's one thing that's always amazed me about bullies, even going back to grade school: they make your life miserable, and then expect you to have their back if they get in trouble. Bizarre.


It is Earl's fault because he's a liar and a loser. Danny did not fuck up, he did not give Earl a concussion, he didn't even hurt Earl. Earl is a faker, he has faked before, and he faked it this time, just because he likes the attention. Ron stated all of this flat out on the air, and told the bosses the same thing.

Earl is a liar, and a pussy. Guys roughhouse, if they fall down, they get back up and suck it up if they got hurt...ESPECIALLY with corporate breathing down the necks. So what does Earl do? He fakes a concussion, fake memory loss, and take a trip to the hospital... and in less then 3 hours, we are to believe he was transported, triaged, cat scanned, and given a clean bill of health... WITH NO CONCUSSION OR BRAIN DAMAGE... now, Earl just keeps on pretending that he doesn't remember what happened, and that it's all hazy... it is bullshit, because this little incident is beyond just Danny.... it reflects on the 202 shows, BADLY.

[TjM]

"Danny did not fuck up?"

How is physically attacking and possibly injuring another co-worker anything but a fuck-up?! Unless you work for the WWE, there's no call for attacking someone in the workplace. I'm not sure where you've worked, but in the places I've worked, "roughhousing" at all, let alone to a point where someone slams their head on the ground, would lead to severe disciplinary action, if not outright firing.

Even if Earl was faking the result, Danny DID take that improper physical action. That's not even questionable! I'm certianly not one to defend everything that Earl does, but I have said before that b/c of his past sins (real or perceived), and his seeming inability to articulate a defense even when one seems obviously available, he often is attacked and blamed for things unfairly.

Contrary to how it was portrayed in Ron's anger (and even Ron admitted he was already pissed at the whole staff from when he woke up this morning), Earl did not call or ask for the EMT's to be called. It was JIMMY, with genuine concern in his voice, who insisted someone be called, with Opie then agreeing. Both Opie AND Jimmy said on air they saw Earl's head hit the floor. Head hitting floor = don't fuck around, be safe, call for help. This is not a schoolyard, it's a place of business. You can't just "walk it off, deek." If something truly serious was wrong and no one did anything about it, it would be MUCH WORSE trouble for the company than being overly cautious.

Contrary to what Fez said, at the time it happened, once Earl started talking he DID say he didn't remember exactly what happened. He wasn't able to speak for minutes. He said he felt dizzy and his vision was blurry. Ron himself said that at the time Earl told him he didn't know what happened. This is all consistent with a hard blow to the head. Maybe I'm naive, but I find it terribly hard to believe that someone would pretend to have all of those symptons and then continue to pretend to the point of being taken to the hospital. No one who was in the studio at that time except Danny (and Anthony & Patti, who said they didn't see it) denied that Earl hit his head on the floor- Opie, Mr. Evil of all people, showed concern and said they should call someone. I'm not sure why Ron was so angry about that part of it- that seems to be the least disputable part of the whole incident.

"in less then 3 hours, we are to believe he was transported, triaged, cat scanned, and given a clean bill of health... WITH NO CONCUSSION OR BRAIN DAMAGE... "

I don't understand your point here. If he had a concussion or brain damage then it would be ok for him to get released so quickly? What is in doubt? He clearly went to the hospital- even Ron said he saw him getting into the ambulance. He went to the hospital, was cleared, and went back to the studio. Are you suggesting he left AMA? Again, how is it Earl's fault that the hospital only kept him for two hours?

"reflects on the 202 shows, BADLY."

Yes, of course it does. And it should. But that's not Earl's fault. Opie instigated the situation, basically manipulating Danny into fighting Earl, and Danny willingly did the deed. This isn't the first time O&A staff physically confronted R&F staff. (Remember Roland/Dave? And everyone here said Roland was wrong when that went down. If Roland was wrong, why isn't Danny?) The hosts should not be allowing any kind of fighting in their studio- it's too dangerous, and there's too much liablility. Plus, they should be simply genuinely concerned about the safety of their people!

I'm not saying Danny should be fired, but he's definitely the wrong party here.

Earl's failed on a number of things, folks, but this ain't one of 'em.

Lastly, as for Earl "saving" Danny, that's up to him, but I don't know what sort of goodwill Danny has earned with him that would make Earl even want to help. This incident aside, Danny ruined his BRC show, and by all accounts picks on and makes fun of him behind the scenes with everybody else. Why should Earl care about Danny's life? That's one thing that's always amazed me about bullies, even going back to grade school: they make your life miserable, and then expect you to have their back if they get in trouble. Bizarre.

Good post. I agree

[kermit mike]

Maybe it's time for Tony Danza to kiss the skinny white bitch and end the show. Would that make us happy, but for a day.

[Yosammity]

I didn't hear the O & A show, but someone mentioned that Earl had an MRI. MRIs are not given for head trauma -- it would've been as head CT.

I smell bit.

[Friday]

Good post. I agree

x2

good post, CC

[disneyspy]

I didn't hear the O & A show, but someone mentioned that Earl had an MRI. MRIs are not given for head trauma -- it would've been as head CT.

I smell bit.

O&A started their show yesterday with an old reporter falls on air clip,bit smell much?

also the O&A listenin thread took off yesterday,i'd say they got us

[Friday]

I didn't hear the O & A show, but someone mentioned that Earl had an MRI. MRIs are not given for head trauma -- it would've been as head CT.

I smell bit.

from Columbia Presbyterian:

In addition to a physical examination, the physician may order an MRI or CT-scan of the head to detect any bleeding, brain damage or skull fractures in patients with head injuries. Imaging studies are the key component in the diagnosis of cerebral contusion and intracerebral hematoma.

Contrary to what Ron said, they do release patients with symptoms of a possible mild concussion rather quickly after testing. And it surprised me that Fez said that Earl "said he remembered everything" when questioned by OnA.... when in actuality Earl did say that he was having trouble remembering exactly what happened.

I don't know. The situation is just strange. *shrug*

this website (http://www.nyp.org/health/concussion.html) is pretty informative.

[~Katja~]

"Danny did not fuck up?"

How is physically attacking and possibly injuring another co-worker anything but a fuck-up?! Unless you work for the WWE, there's no call for attacking someone in the workplace. I'm not sure where you've worked, but in the places I've worked, "roughhousing" at all, let alone to a point where someone slams their head on the ground, would lead to severe disciplinary action, if not outright firing.

Even if Earl was faking the result, Danny DID take that improper physical action. That's not even questionable! I'm certianly not one to defend everything that Earl does, but I have said before that b/c of his past sins (real or perceived), and his seeming inability to articulate a defense even when one seems obviously available, he often is attacked and blamed for things unfairly.

Contrary to how it was portrayed in Ron's anger (and even Ron admitted he was already pissed at the whole staff from when he woke up this morning), Earl did not call or ask for the EMT's to be called. It was JIMMY, with genuine concern in his voice, who insisted someone be called, with Opie then agreeing. Both Opie AND Jimmy said on air they saw Earl's head hit the floor. Head hitting floor = don't fuck around, be safe, call for help. This is not a schoolyard, it's a place of business. You can't just "walk it off, deek." If something truly serious was wrong and no one did anything about it, it would be MUCH WORSE trouble for the company than being overly cautious.

Contrary to what Fez said, at the time it happened, once Earl started talking he DID say he didn't remember exactly what happened. He wasn't able to speak for minutes. He said he felt dizzy and his vision was blurry. Ron himself said that at the time Earl told him he didn't know what happened. This is all consistent with a hard blow to the head. Maybe I'm naive, but I find it terribly hard to believe that someone would pretend to have all of those symptons and then continue to pretend to the point of being taken to the hospital. No one who was in the studio at that time except Danny (and Anthony & Patti, who said they didn't see it) denied that Earl hit his head on the floor- Opie, Mr. Evil of all people, showed concern and said they should call someone. I'm not sure why Ron was so angry about that part of it- that seems to be the least disputable part of the whole incident.

"in less then 3 hours, we are to believe he was transported, triaged, cat scanned, and given a clean bill of health... WITH NO CONCUSSION OR BRAIN DAMAGE... "

I don't understand your point here. If he had a concussion or brain damage then it would be ok for him to get released so quickly? What is in doubt? He clearly went to the hospital- even Ron said he saw him getting into the ambulance. He went to the hospital, was cleared, and went back to the studio. Are you suggesting he left AMA? Again, how is it Earl's fault that the hospital only kept him for two hours?

"reflects on the 202 shows, BADLY."

Yes, of course it does. And it should. But that's not Earl's fault. Opie instigated the situation, basically manipulating Danny into fighting Earl, and Danny willingly did the deed. This isn't the first time O&A staff physically confronted R&F staff. (Remember Roland/Dave? And everyone here said Roland was wrong when that went down. If Roland was wrong, why isn't Danny?) The hosts should not be allowing any kind of fighting in their studio- it's too dangerous, and there's too much liablility. Plus, they should be simply genuinely concerned about the safety of their people!

I'm not saying Danny should be fired, but he's definitely the wrong party here.

Earl's failed on a number of things, folks, but this ain't one of 'em.

Lastly, as for Earl "saving" Danny, that's up to him, but I don't know what sort of goodwill Danny has earned with him that would make Earl even want to help. This incident aside, Danny ruined his BRC show, and by all accounts picks on and makes fun of him behind the scenes with everybody else. Why should Earl care about Danny's life? That's one thing that's always amazed me about bullies, even going back to grade school: they make your life miserable, and then expect you to have their back if they get in trouble. Bizarre.



I have to agree with you there, however there are a few things we all don't know, and that is what happened after the show was off air and how much info Ron even had. I understand Ron's reaction because he did not hear the show, but knows Earl from past situations, and he now had to stand up to the bosses for what had happened. That thrown in with him being upset about the guys from the morning already, it was all around a situation set to escalate.
I think you have to take into consideration how many shows and employees get fired over there right now and there is an overall anxiety and stress added to the situation.
When stuff like this happens you need a day to sort things out and make sense of it all.
They had minutes.
Fezzie exploding had probably less to do with the fact that he believed Earl was entirely lying but more with the fact that he had a chance to just ease things over on air and just didn't.
All he needed to say was that it was an accident, but being pressured into saying he was faking it he refused to do so.
Someone said that Earl always has a hard time to articulate when put under pressure like that which made the situation worse and for the new listener (like their sirius bosses) definitely comes across like he was blatantly lying.



On another note, am I the only one remembering reference to Danny being still half drunk when he was arguing with Steve?
Add that into the mix and he should be in trouble regardless.
He may work his ass off for the show, but being drunk at work and then getting into situations like that is a guarantee for disciplinary actions in any work place.

[Serpico1103]

"Danny did not fuck up?"

How is physically attacking and possibly injuring another co-worker anything but a fuck-up?! ....... they make your life miserable, and then expect you to have their back if they get in trouble. Bizarre.

You are missing the big picture. Ron is not pissed that Earl went to the hospital. Ron is pissed that Earl has a history of mysterious episodes of fainting and illness.
Fainting at febreeze, his bullshit sleep apnea that Dr. Steve thought was responsible for his shitty work, but now Earl says he doesn't wear the mask anymore, and all the other times Ron pressures Earl and Earl responds with his "I am just feeling out of it" excuse.
Ron is mad at Earl and probably himself for tolerating Earl's shit for this long and now it may have dire consequences. Earl cried wolf too many times. Even if Earl really was hurt, knowing his history he played it up. He probably got stressed first about the fall and his minor "injury" then his stress level amped up as he realized all the drama he caused. Instead of standing up and saying he was ok, he shut down as usual.
I think Danny maybe needs to be punished. So should Kenny for holding Dave down as they shaved Dave's head.
But, that doesn't mean Earl has no responsibility. Or maybe he is just to fragile to work there. I don't mean physically, stress wise, he is a china doll.
I am not a big Danny fan, but that is a personality conflict. Earl hurts the show!

[KingGeno]

Ron totally got out of hand yesterday with his assessment. Anger got the best of him. CruelCircus says it perfect though. It doesn't help Danny's case that he was flipping out angry as shit at Steve ON-AIR. I am sure the higher-up are going to listen to the audio from the show leading up, and state how they do NOT want underlings talking down to their superiors like that.

He deserves at least a suspension. He is a fuckin' arrogant punk. I know personally cuz the pussy emails people who talk shit on him over instant feedback, me being one of them. Prick.

In addition, I don't know how Ron can be talking down to Earl for being there when just less than 24 hours earlier he was asking Dave to show Earl how he would protect Fez against O&A. He even asked Dave to reenact how he would confdront then. Ron was laughing at the time. If it was truly a bit, keep the yelling off air.

[Friday]

On another note, am I the only one remembering reference to Danny being still half drunk when he was arguing with Steve?
Add that into the mix and he should be in trouble regardless.
He may work his ass off for the show, but being drunk at work and then getting into situations like that is a guarantee for disciplinary actions in any work place.

Yes.... i definitely remember that reference too.
And it's already been said that Danny had already shown some bad form, from a corporate standpoint, earlier on in the show.

And to re-iterate Geno's point... I agree that Ronnie's anger did steer him to the extreme yesterday. If management were to review just the events as they happened, I am pretty certain the assessment of the situation would be Very different from how it was presented on Ron and Fez.

[TjM]

Earl should just sue XM for creating a hostile workplace. He has years of abuse from everyone on tape. He probably has enough tape to get away with killing Dave.

[KingGeno]

Piledrive any man or woman into the ground, and it will take about 5-10 minutes to sort the mind out. It's not like he was laying there for 20 minutes, speechless and having eye seizures. It all happened real quick, Jimmy and Opie used the better judgement of calling the EMTs, and history is history.

I remember the "drunk at work" reference also. I figured they would be pulling certain conversations on the replay, like they did earlier this morning.

Replace Earl with Dave in this situation, would people be as angry and critical and shit-talking on Dave as much as some are about Earl? Regardless of his work or lack of work, "horseplay" in the work environment will lead to injuries. Bound to happen. Which is why I find the front page faildozer pic funny, becaused Ron said he wanted him to be there to protect Fez. How did Earl fail?

[TjM]

Replace Earl with Dave in this situation, would people be as angry and critical and shit-talking on Dave as much as some are about Earl? Regardless of his work or lack of work, "horseplay" in the work environment will lead to injuries. Bound to happen. Which is why I find the front page faildozer pic funny, becaused Ron said he wanted him to be there to protect Fez. How did Earl fail?

No people would be outraged and giving Dave props for "Putting his body on the line for the show and protecting Fez"

Sure you would have your core group of Dave haters that shit on him no matter what he does but I think the reaction would be vastly different

[Gvac]

Wow. This thread shows the generation gap more than anything else I've ever seen on this site.

The ones taking the "letter of the law" legal standpoint can't understand Ron and Fez's "take it like a man" school of thought and vice versa.

At my previous place of employment (before corporate ownership) there would be flare ups between the warehouse workers all the time. The manager would step in and tell them "you know the rules." That meant 'take it to the parking lot.'

We'd all go outside, watch a fight, and they each knew they'd be suspended for a day and would have to shake hands when they came back to work. No one ever got hospitalized or sued one another.

Once corporate took over, fighting was grounds for immediate dismissal and lawsuits started.

Guess I'm old school, but I know which way I prefer.

[TjM]

Wow. This thread shows the generation gap more than anything else I've ever seen on this site.

The ones taking the "letter of the law" legal standpoint can't understand Ron and Fez's "take it like a man" school of thought and vice versa.

At my previous place of employment (before corporate ownership) there would be flare ups between the warehouse workers all the time. The manager would step in and tell them "you know the rules." That meant 'take it to the parking lot.'

We'd all go outside, watch a fight, and they each knew they'd be suspended for a day and would have to shake hands when they came back to work. No one ever got hospitalized or sued one another.

Once corporate took over, fighting was grounds for immediate dismissal and lawsuits started.

Guess I'm old school, but I know which way I prefer.

The sue thing was a joke G

[Gvac]

The sue thing was a joke G

I started my response before I even saw your post, bro.

I'm talking about the people who can't understand why Earl making such a big deal out of the episode is a bad thing.

[GreatAmericanZero]

lets be honest, Danny is a really unlikeable person on the O&A show...so i think when people talk about how he fucked up and should be fired, its more "please get him off the show, he sucks". If it was dave in this spot we would all be supporting dave

either way, i do think danny is a bore on-air and his homoerotic "Anthony lapdog" thing makes me uncomfortable so i wouldn't complain if he gets canned over this

[KingGeno]

I agree with you, G. It's a shame the friggin' EMT's got called. But they did, and it is what it is.

[ToiletCrusher]

Guess I'm old school, but I know which way I prefer.



your peculiar sexual habits are not the subject here.

I do agree though. 'Take it like a man' no longer applies. 'Making it right' is no longer admission of guilt rather it is now doing what is expected by corporate to please everyone. More importantly, apologies are scripted to ensure no further damage is done to any of the parties involved. That's what pisses me off.

[KingGeno]

Corporate got involved, and they will worry about a possible lawsuit over whatever and then having to pay medical bills for someone who was fine.

[KnoxHarrington]

I bet this hastens the process of getting both shows moved into Sirius studios at 30 Rock. The suits will want the shows in a more controlled environment.

[Fez4PrezN2008]

I really like all the on-air staff and interns and producers (yes, including Earl). They have a really great thing going for both shows. I would really be saddened as a listener if anyone left of lost their job due to this incident. I am hoping it will blow over and we can get back to great radio - warts, drunks, drama, slackers and all.

[Gvac]

Corporate got involved, and they will worry about a possible lawsuit over whatever and then having to pay medical bills for someone who was fine.

Bingo, hence Ron's frustration. Every time he thinks he's helped his boys grow up and understand the bigger picture, he's let down.

Earl was FINE. He wasn't unable to speak and didn't have amnesia. He may or may not have been unconscious. Who knows? When someone lies constantly how do you know when they're telling the truth?

He was asked repeatedly whether he was OK or not. He wouldn't answer. Of course O & A did what they thought they had to do at that point and call an EMT.

Earl could have refused. He could have walked down to the ambulance under his own power. He could have, in short, manned up.

He never does, though, and it must be infuriating to Ron and Fez.

[TjM]

I bet this hastens the process of getting both shows moved into Sirius studios at 30 Rock. The suits will want the shows in a more controlled environment.

Once they move someone needs to be on "Jack Duty" (Keeping Dave from jacking in the restrooms)

[GreatAmericanZero]

Bingo, hence Ron's frustration. Every time he thinks he's helped his boys grow up and understand the bigger picture, he's let down.

Earl was FINE. He wasn't unable to speak and didn't have amnesia. He may or may not have been unconscious. Who knows? When someone lies constantly how do you know when they're telling the truth?

He was asked repeatedly whether he was OK or not. He wouldn't answer. Of course O & A did what they thought they had to do at that point and call an EMT.

Earl could have refused. He could have walked down to the ambulance under his own power. He could have, in short, manned up.

He never does, though, and it must be infuriating to Ron and Fez.


Earl is as submissive as a human can be. its gotta be so frustrating

[sailor]

Bingo, hence Ron's frustration. Every time he thinks he's helped his boys grow up and understand the bigger picture, he's let down.

Earl was FINE. He wasn't unable to speak and didn't have amnesia. He may or may not have been unconscious. Who knows? When someone lies constantly how do you know when they're telling the truth?

He was asked repeatedly whether he was OK or not. He wouldn't answer. Of course O & A did what they thought they had to do at that point and call an EMT.

Earl could have refused. He could have walked down to the ambulance under his own power. He could have, in short, manned up.

He never does, though, and it must be infuriating to Ron and Fez.

from one of the other threads on this incident (um, merge?) opie and jimmy both saw his head hit the floor and were concerned and called the emt's. people in the studio were concerned and thought he needed to be examined, how can people not there say otherwise?

[Dow]

What actually happened to earl? I only started listening at one. No made up stories please, odds are they won't be funny. See above

Yeah, I feel for that at first too, crap!

[Gvac]

from one of the other threads on this incident (um, merge?) opie and jimmy both saw his head hit the floor and were concerned and called the emt's. people in the studio were concerned and thought he needed to be examined, how can people not there say otherwise?

They were concerned when Earl wouldn't answer and just sat there fluttering his eyes.

It's an act. And a tired one at that.

I stated in another thread that I've literally seen dozens of guys get knocked out. Not once did I see them lose the ability to speak or get amnesia. Usually it's "what the fuck happened?", they're a little groggy, but they get up and walk it off.

[The Jays]

Doesn't change the fact that Danny is a complete and total asshole.

He maybe an asshole, but at least he cares about the show. Earl does not, as evidenced by his faking and lying about injuries and not giving a shit if everyone from O and A gets fired.

[Tenbatsuzen]

They were concerned when Earl wouldn't answer and just sat there fluttering his eyes.

It's an act. And a tired one at that.

I stated in another thread that I've literally seen dozens of guys get knocked out. Not once did I see them lose the ability to speak or get amnesia. Usually it's "what the fuck happened?", they're a little groggy, but they get up and walk it off.

In fairness to Earl (although you probably don't want to hear it), if Earl hit his head hard enough for Opie and Jimmy to be concerned, he wouldn't have kept up the bit.

I've been knocked on my head a couple of times. Definitely stuns you, especially for someone who is physically inactive as Earl. He was probably wondering what the fuck just happened.

[Tenbatsuzen]

He maybe an asshole, but at least he cares about the show. Earl does not, as evidenced by his faking and lying about injuries and not giving a shit if everyone from O and A gets fired.

If he cares about the show, he wouldn't be showing up drunk.

[~Katja~]

Bingo, hence Ron's frustration. Every time he thinks he's helped his boys grow up and understand the bigger picture, he's let down.

Earl was FINE. He wasn't unable to speak and didn't have amnesia. He may or may not have been unconscious. Who knows? When someone lies constantly how do you know when they're telling the truth?

He was asked repeatedly whether he was OK or not. He wouldn't answer. Of course O & A did what they thought they had to do at that point and call an EMT.

Earl could have refused. He could have walked down to the ambulance under his own power. He could have, in short, manned up.

He never does, though, and it must be infuriating to Ron and Fez.

I am a bit surprised by your standpoint on this.
You are speaking for Earl and what he could have done simply on hear say from the show.
Did you watch it happen? Do you truly know what happened to Earl? You are assuming he was lying, which he may have been not at all, just his past actions make it harder for him in this case and people easily don't believe him and call him a liar in this case.

[instrument]

Wow a black guy gets knocked out and HE shouldbget fired for it? That's f'n hillariosuly racist.

[Dow]

Say what you will, it all made for riveting radio, only one commercial break on R&F, I didn't do shit at work for three hours. As far as Earl, the one good thing the dude has going for him in radio is his MUSIC skills, the dude belongs on a fucking MUSIC channel, not talk, Fucking enough already! Beat it. Also, those dumb asses who work for the show, ESD et all, Ron was right, you have the fucking best job in the world, and you douches go out of your way to fuck it up. You ESD have two transparent babies to think about man. If your gonna fucking blow it w/ your hot wife over booze, you deserve what you get man, really. So annoying, stupid Earl, I bust my ass at a shitty job and you fucking rock the boat every chance you get at yours, poised to take down the whole thing with you. I also think I remember Dave slipped once & said that dumbass makes 60k a year!

[~Katja~]

If he cares about the show, he wouldn't be showing up drunk.

exactly

[Gvac]

In fairness to Earl (although you probably don't want to hear it), if Earl hit his head hard enough for Opie and Jimmy to be concerned, he wouldn't have kept up the bit.

I've been knocked on my head a couple of times. Definitely stuns you, especially for someone who is physically inactive as Earl. He was probably wondering what the fuck just happened.

That's just it. He CAN'T break the bit. He has to keep it going because it's the only way he knows how to deal with anything. If he admitted he was fine he'd be admitting what a phony he's been.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I am a bit surprised by your standpoint on this.
You are speaking for Earl and what he could have done simply on hear say from the show.
Did you watch it happen? Do you truly know what happened to Earl? You are assuming he was lying, which he may have been not at all, just his past actions make it harder for him in this case and people easily don't believe him and call him a liar in this case.

I think Gvac is a little biased on this one.

[Gvac]

I am a bit surprised by your standpoint on this.
You are speaking for Earl and what he could have done simply on hear say from the show.
Did you watch it happen? Do you truly know what happened to Earl? You are assuming he was lying, which he may have been not at all, just his past actions make it harder for him in this case and people easily don't believe him and call him a liar in this case.

The fact that Earl has done this countless times before and every single doctor that's examined him has found nothing wrong adds to the belief that it's self-induced and nothing physical. My own personal experiences in dealing with people who have been knocked out also makes me believe what I do.

That he was released so quickly proves there was nothing wrong.

Rather than dealing with a situation, Earl chooses to feign unconsciousness. It's a turtle going into its shell.

As the great Bob Dylan once said, "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows."

[Dow]

Say what you will, it all made for riveting radio, only one commercial break on R&F, I didn't do shit at work for three hours. As far as Earl, the one good thing the dude has going for him in radio is his MUSIC skills, the dude belongs on a fucking MUSIC channel, not talk, Fucking enough already! Beat it. Also, those dumb asses who work for the show, ESD et all, Ron was right, you have the fucking best job in the world, and you douches go out of your way to fuck it up. You ESD have two transparent babies to think about man. If your gonna fucking blow it w/ your hot wife over booze, you deserve what you get man, really. So annoying, stupid Earl, I bust my ass at a shitty job and you fucking rock the boat every chance you get at yours, poised to take down the whole thing with you. I also think I remember Dave slipped once & said that dumbass makes 60k a year!



I guess I should add that I mentioned ESD because if the Earl thing didn't go down (ha go down, get it..we get it) Dave would of had gotten a talkin' to.

[Tenbatsuzen]

That's just it. He CAN'T break the bit. He has to keep it going because it's the only way he knows how to deal with anything. If he admitted he was fine he'd be admitting what a phony he's been.

The first time I had the wind knocked out of me, I literally thought I WAS GOING TO DIE.

Unless you saw the event take place, or were in the studio, you can't accurately gauge how much Earl was faking.

Seriously, do you know how much it would take for Opie - OPIE!!!!! and Jimmy - JIMMY!!!! to show compassion for EARL?

[sailor]

The first time I had the wind knocked out of me, I literally thought I WAS GOING TO DIE.

Unless you saw the event take place, or were in the studio, you can't accurately gauge how much Earl was faking.

Seriously, do you know how much it would take for Opie - OPIE!!!!! and Jimmy - JIMMY!!!! to show compassion for EARL?

or that he's a credible actor all of a sudden?

[Gvac]

The first time I had the wind knocked out of me, I literally thought I WAS GOING TO DIE.

Unless you saw the event take place, or were in the studio, you can't accurately gauge how much Earl was faking.

Seriously, do you know how much it would take for Opie - OPIE!!!!! and Jimmy - JIMMY!!!! to show compassion for EARL?

Yes. They asked him for 5 minutes if he was OK and he wouldn't answer, acting like he was unable to speak. That's when they started showing concern.

I'd bet anything that if Ron was there he would have said "Earl, cut the shit. TALK!" and Earl would have made a miraculous recovery.

And this isn't the first time Earl has supposedly been knocked out.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The fact that Earl has done this countless times before and every single doctor that's examined him has found nothing wrong adds to the belief that it's self-induced and nothing physical. My own personal experiences in dealing with people who have been knocked out also makes me believe what I do.

That he was released so quickly proves there was nothing wrong.

Rather than dealing with a situation, Earl chooses to feign unconsciousness. It's a turtle going into its shell.

As the great Bob Dylan once said, "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows."

Did you ever think that you were right in your first assessment - that Earl actually had something wrong upstairs? He's not faking, he's sick. In the head. Distinct difference.

If Earl was faking, he's being incredibly machievellian to throw everyone under the bus.

If Earl actually has a mental issue, HE IS NOT COMPETENT ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND what he is doing.

One of the above options deserves scorn. The other option deserves help. Don't confuse the two, and Danny exacerbated the situation.

[sailor]

gvac, you stance really seems to be "i don't like earl and will never believe anything he says." it's not based on anything that happened yesterday.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Yes. They asked him for 5 minutes if he was OK and he wouldn't answer, acting like he was unable to speak. That's when they started showing concern.

I'd bet anything that if Ron was there he would have said "Earl, cut the shit. TALK!" and Earl would have made a miraculous recovery.

And this isn't the first time Earl has supposedly been knocked out.

Earl should be commended because he's taking part in the bit. Any way you slice it, Danny started shit with him.

Work isn't high school. You don't go into the office expecting someone to give you a head shot.

[Gvac]

If Earl actually has a mental issue, HE IS NOT COMPETENT ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND what he is doing.

And how long has he been asked to get himself right mentally?

How much patience do you show someone with mental issues if they consistently refuse to admit there is a problem and get treatment?

Believe me, I have incredible patience and understanding when it comes to mental illness. I applaud those who deal with it and get the help they need.

The ones who insist they are fine despite everyone around them telling them otherwise and never take any steps to cure themselves? Not so much.

[~Katja~]

The fact that Earl has done this countless times before and every single doctor that's examined him has found nothing wrong adds to the belief that it's self-induced and nothing physical. My own personal experiences in dealing with people who have been knocked out also makes me believe what I do.

That he was released so quickly proves there was nothing wrong.

Rather than dealing with a situation, Earl chooses to feign unconsciousness. It's a turtle going into its shell.

As the great Bob Dylan once said, "You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows."

I saw him go down on cam, I saw him lay there without reaction and after a little time rolling his eyes but unable to move.
Now trust me, I joked about it at first too. But I also have been in a situation myself (not from hitting my head but nonetheless) where I didn't get enough oxygen and my body was heavy like a sack and I could not even lift an arm, everything was strange around me and I could barely talk.
I was picked up by EMT's and checked out and all and released as fine shortly after.
That's why I actually believe that unless the entire thing is a huge bit and Earl actually capable of acting, he truly was out for a bit, conscious but out .

[Gvac]

gvac, you stance really seems to be "i don't like earl and will never believe anything he says." it's not based on anything that happened yesterday.

Not at all. I've agreed with him on several occasions. I usually note it here with "believe it or not, I agree with Earl."

Ever since I started the "Earl Is Mentally Unstable" thread people think I have some sort of vendetta against him. It's simply not true. I just say what I observe and believe to be true.

[sailor]

But I also have been in a situation myself (not from hitting my head but nonetheless) where I didn't get enough oxygen

gotta be careful with that rough sex.

[~Katja~]

Yes. They asked him for 5 minutes if he was OK and he wouldn't answer, acting like he was unable to speak. That's when they started showing concern.

I'd bet anything that if Ron was there he would have said "Earl, cut the shit. TALK!" and Earl would have made a miraculous recovery.

And this isn't the first time Earl has supposedly been knocked out.

nope, I disagree, because even after he returned when Ron called him out Earl did not miraculously remember things or say anything to make things right in Ron's eyes.

[~Katja~]

gotta be careful with that rough sex.

lol... it actually was a dental procedure I blame the cummy doc

[Gvac]

nope, I disagree, because even after he returned when Ron called him out Earl did not miraculously remember things or say anything to make things right in Ron's eyes.

Apples and oranges.

Like I said, Earl has to keep the lie going or else he's admitting he's a fraud.

If Ron could have halted the lie before it started, then Earl would have "recovered."

[PerryWinkle]

i hate to say it, but i agree with Gvac

[conman823]

i hate to say it, but i agree with Gvac

I usually do too but unfortunately this time it just can't be that way. The "generation gap" is here to stay. YOU CANNOT ATTACK PEOPLE AT WORK. I don't give a shit that its a radio show or not. Hey if you can't have a naked woman in studio then why should you be able to physically attack someone? I haven't heard the replay yet and will refrain from commenting either way.

I will say "Earl should be fired" is getting so old. Like I said in another thread, only person to blame for Earls continued employment is Ronnie B.

[Tenbatsuzen]

And how long has he been asked to get himself right mentally?

How much patience do you show someone with mental issues if they consistently refuse to admit there is a problem and get treatment?




If that's your stance, you should be focusing on Fez first, then.

[Gvac]

If that's your stance, you should be focusing on Fez first, then.

Fez has admitted there is a problem and has been getting treatment. Unfortunately, it hasn't worked thus far.

[Gvac]

I usually do too but unfortunately this time it just can't be that way. The "generation gap" is here to stay. YOU CANNOT ATTACK PEOPLE AT WORK. I don't give a shit that its a radio show or not. Hey if you can't have a naked woman in studio then why should you be able to physically attack someone? I haven't heard the replay yet and will refrain from commenting either way.

I will say "Earl should be fired" is getting so old. Like I said in another thread, only person to blame for Earls continued employment is Ronnie B.

You've got to admit that the entertainment business is a completely different animal than working in an office, conman.

How many times has Earl choked Dave? Or they've wrestled? Or slap boxed?

It's not only expected, but encouraged. Why would they play up the "Earl is here as Fez's protector" angle and then bring them both in studio if some kind of confrontation wasn't planned?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Fez has admitted there is a problem and has been getting treatment. Unfortunately, it hasn't worked thus far.

Mainly because he's refused taking medication, using the standard disclaimer of the mentally ill: "I didn't like the way they made me feel."

It seems like he's taking every avenue (Four Winds) EXCEPT taking meds.

I mean, we can argue this all day. The fact of the matter is, you have a very biased opinion concerning Earl, and we should all accept and realize there is no way, no chance, no how that Earl is going to be fired over this. It would open up a can of unbelievable HR worms.

Best case scenario, Danny is suspended like Dave was. Worst case, Danny is fired and O&A are suspended and warned to have no on-air interaction with R&F. That part will suck, but Danny's to blame for that, not Earl.

Yeah, your view of work is old school. But let's be real here, this wasn't a fight. Earl went to the hospital to get checked out. You don't walk shit like that off.

Just recently near me, a guy was in a car accident and refused medical treatment at the scene. He came home, went to sleep, woke up with a splitting headache, and went to the hospital. By that time it was too late, he had a brain hemmorage and he was dead.

[Tenbatsuzen]

You've got to admit that the entertainment business is a completely different animal than working in an office, conman.

How many times has Earl choked Dave? Or they've wrestled? Or slap boxed?

It's not only expected, but encouraged. Why would they play up the "Earl is here as Fez's protector" angle and then bring them both in studio if some kind of confrontation wasn't planned?

There's a major difference when it's someone doing it that you are friendly with (Dave and Earl) as opposed to someone who maliciously dislikes Earl (Danny).

Let me put it to you this way - If I was on the board and started spewing insults at Fallon, he'd take it as a joke and we'd laugh it off.

If I said the same line of insults to you or Reeshy or Blowhard, World War III would erupt.

[KingGeno]

I understand what G is trying to say though, but head damage is handled differently by everyone. I've had my clock cleaned a few times, whether it was from an accident or fight or whatev. THere have been times when I could shake it off, other times I was drrr drrr drr for a good chunk of time afterwards. Has nothing to do with manning up or acting like a child. It's just different for some people.

The situation just sucked. Earl may or may not have been taking a long time to recover, jimmy and opie may or may not have over-reacted. If I was in the studio, I surely wouldn't have just sat there and kept talking into a mic while my intern/subbie holds a mic in an already alleged knocked out mans face. I would have been up and taking action, shaking him, offering water or maybe a cold splash of water in the face. It was handled poorly by all, but it shouldn't have gotten to the point of Danny allegedly tossing Earl on his head. This last part is alleged, because Earl has in the past been a fainting goat, so he may have had a part in the "collapsing". Ya never know though.

It looks bad for Earl cuz he is a "genuine lazy bum". But also an alleged Drunk already angry Danny too.

I think Ron and Fez were more mad that Earl didn't tell the EMT people to just friggin' wait before carting him away, let him get some fresh air, and then try to walk it off. But EMT's gotta do their job. I don't believe Ron when he says that an EMT said "No, he's fine" and rolled his eyes. That would be a pretty fuct up EMT. But again, I wasn't there.

[conman823]

You've got to admit that the entertainment business is a completely different animal than working in an office, conman.

How many times has Earl choked Dave? Or they've wrestled? Or slap boxed?

It's not only expected, but encouraged. Why would they play up the "Earl is here as Fez's protector" angle and then bring them both in studio if some kind of confrontation wasn't planned?

Of course its different. When a bt is set-up ahead of time, and both people know whats coming its not a real attack is it? If Earl had no idea it was coming and was injured how can that be "Well suck it up!"? You used a warehouse as an example. If someone there dropped a heavy box on thier own foot you would say "Suck it up, its part of the job", but its not part of a job that you are expected to basically sit there and run a board.

Before you go for the "Look who they work for" angle, I say too you how come nobody physically attacks the hosts? They work there too.

[wkj]

You guys are brutal.

[West.Coast.Skippy]

i'm compelled to register. i've been listening since july, and love ron and fez. i see two issues, both important, but different. in any modern workplace, there is no place for physical confrontation. one poster here would brand that statement a 'generation gap'. to him I say if anything, it is a class - in the socioeconomic sense - gap. no doubt, if they hadn't already heard it before they arrived for interviews, the management has by now heard the earlier segments of the morning show when danny was described as half drunk and screamed at steve. incidentally, i think dave and a few in the o & a show take to screaming far too easily. they also heard patty shrieking violently and being blocked from exit - granted, and strangely, she returned later. danny will be grilled, and rightfully, over lifting up earl's legs and causing earl to fall. opie will be seriously admonished for encouraging danny.

in the short time i've been a fan, i have heard many perplexing episodes of earl's 'tongue - tide act'. but in my opinion, the discipline that will fall on danny or opie or others will be for the events that lead up to the fall, not for the outcome of the fall. that is one discreet issue.

additionally, earl has been fairly outed to all around and above him, some who likely weren't aware yet because of the reorganization, as a 'boob'- a magnet for trouble, a mediocre performer and a real liability. he probably won't be officially reprimanded. my guess is he will be assigned to a probation-like status where he is given clear tasks and monitored closely, or he will be reassigned to a less dynamic and stressful environment.

or it could be a bit.

thanks for reading my thoughts and i hope to share more in the future.

[Gvac]

The fact of the matter is, you have a very biased opinion concerning Earl.

If listening to a guy be unable to "get" the show and make himself an asset to it for 7 years means I'm biased, then I'm guilty as charged.

[Gvac]

Of course its different. When a bt is set-up ahead of time, and both people know whats coming its not a real attack is it? If Earl had no idea it was coming and was injured how can that be "Well suck it up!"? You used a warehouse as an example. If someone there dropped a heavy box on thier own foot you would say "Suck it up, its part of the job", but its not part of a job that you are expected to basically sit there and run a board.

Before you go for the "Look who they work for" angle, I say too you how come nobody physically attacks the hosts? They work there too.

My warehouse example was to show how corporate environments breed lawsuits, nothing else. I wasn't saying that someone who was injured on the job should refuse medical treatment.

If one of the workers in the warehouse accidentally dropped something on another worker's foot and the guy wasn't really injured but decided to fake it to collect workman's comp, I have a problem with that.

[conman823]

My warehouse example was to show how corporate environments breed lawsuits, nothing else. I wasn't saying that someone who was injured on the job should refuse medical treatment.

If one of the workers in the warehouse accidentally dropped something on another worker's foot and the guy wasn't really injured but decided to fake it to collect workman's comp, I have a problem with that.

So do I, but to me its more of a work ethic thing then a "Suck it up" thing. Hey get-overs are all around us, causing most of these corporate issues.

But did Earl say thats what he's going to do? Too me its a major suck up if he just says forget it and comes back to work. Working next to a guy who assaulted him, and will most likely continue to verbally abuse him in the back.

Shit I work on a Railroad bro, you don't think the "take it too the parking lot" attitude is still in the air at that place? That doesn't mean I don't see why these rules exist. I wouldn't want my Mother or Chick treated like they treated women in "the old days". Also some days its nice to know I won't come to work and get attacked next to the coffee maker, unfortunatley for Earl that isn't the case apparently.

[FezsAssistant]

I don't think it's worth it. I hate when something relevant to R&F happens on O&A. I just can't listen to the same jokes anymore.

Yeah, the R&F show NEVER uses the same jokes over and over and over again.
Right.

[underdog]

lets be honest, Danny is a really unlikeable person on the O&A show...

Danny is unlikeable? I've always liked Danny.

I'm really getting sick of "there's no reason to attack people at work", or the variations people are saying. Shut the fuck up. They don't work in a fucking cubicle. I think Clint Eastwood might be right; we're a generation of fucking pussies.

[eastphillyTed]

Danny is unlikeable? I've always liked Danny.

I'm really getting sick of "there's no reason to attack people at work", or the variations people are saying. Shut the fuck up. They don't work in a fucking cubicle. I think Clint Eastwood might be right; we're a generation of fucking pussies.

fuckin' A right. none of those fags would last a day here in philly.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Danny is unlikeable? I've always liked Danny.

I'm really getting sick of "there's no reason to attack people at work", or the variations people are saying. Shut the fuck up. They don't work in a fucking cubicle. I think Clint Eastwood might be right; we're a generation of fucking pussies.


Even at a radio station, If someone laid their hands on people at a radio station, or showed up drunk, they'd be suspended or terminated.

The drunkeness is worthy of at least a paid suspension and a trip to rehab.

[underdog]

Even at a radio station, If someone laid their hands on people at a radio station, or showed up drunk, they'd be suspended or terminated.

The drunkeness is worthy of at least a paid suspension and a trip to rehab.

You're not his boss. You weren't there. You don't work for his company. You don't know if he was actually drunk. You didn't make the rules for where he works.

Rehab?

[Tenbatsuzen]

You're not his boss. You weren't there. You don't work for his company. You don't know if he was actually drunk. You didn't make the rules for where he works.

Rehab?

Rehab. You show up drunk or high to work, they'll send you rehab first before firing you.

I don't know if Danny was drunk or not. But if he was, and put his hands on earl, that's a problem

When I was in radio, we had a few people show up drunk or high. It happens.

[Puggle_kicker]

Earl should be fired for faking it - Screw Earl:thumbdown:

But Fez gets away with it . . .

[underdog]

Rehab. You show up drunk or high to work, they'll send you rehab first before firing you.

I don't know if Danny was drunk or not. But if he was, and put his hands on earl, that's a problem

When I was in radio, we had a few people show up drunk or high. It happens.

I'm sure more than a few people have shown up to working at a radio station drunk or high.

[erockradio]

If anyone is interested, we have a possible Donkey Kong kill screen coming up....

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[underdog]

If anyone is interested, we have a possible Donkey Kong kill screen coming up....

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Do people's eyes really roll back in their head when they're knocked out? I saw one kid knocked out and his eyes were open, he just wasn't there.

And Earl really looks like someone pretending to be knocked out.

[Gvac]

My God! Look at the blockage in his nostril! The man can't breathe!

http://www.foundrymusic.com/common_images/member_galleries/33_010920091000261231556426046.jpg


I know just the thing...

[erockradio]

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[celery]

If Earl can book Ric Flair during Fez's silent week, all will be forgiven.

[sailor]

If anyone is interested, we have a possible Donkey Kong kill screen coming up....

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shouldn't it say bambalance on there?

[Gerald]

For shame, BE. For shame.

[conman823]

I'm really getting sick of "there's no reason to attack people at work", or the variations people are saying. Shut the fuck up. They don't work in a fucking cubicle. I think Clint Eastwood might be right; we're a generation of fucking pussies.

A generation of fucking pussies maybe regarding certain things. In your mind what justifies being attacked at work? Thats just a fucking stupid statement.

[conman823]

My God! Look at the blockage in his nostril! The man can't breathe!

http://www.foundrymusic.com/common_images/member_galleries/33_010920091000261231556426046.jpg


I know just the thing...

STONE COLD!!! STONE COLD!!! STONE COLD!!!

[underdog]

A generation of fucking pussies maybe regarding certain things. In your mind what justifies being attacked at work? Thats just a fucking stupid statement.

It's the environment he's in.

If he didn't want to be attacked, he should go work for a Mix or Kiss station.

[lleeder]

It's the environment he's in.

If he didn't want to be attacked, he should go work for a Mix or Kiss station.

Or Hot...nah thats probably not the safest choice either.

[conman823]

It's the environment he's in.

If he didn't want to be attacked, he should go work for a Mix or Kiss station.

Yeah your right. I guess if I worked in marketing at UFC I would expect a Triangle Choke hold every other Tuesday while walking to the soda machine.

[underdog]

Yeah your right. I guess if I worked in marketing at UFC I would expect a Triangle Choke hold every other Tuesday while walking to the soda machine.

He's on-air talent (barely) for a "shock jock" show, and became involved in the on-air stuff of another "shock jock" show. If it happened off-air, it would be one thing. If he didn't expect anything to "happen", he should have stayed away from the studio.

AND IT'S FUCKING YOU'RE, LENNY.

[sailor]

He's on-air talent (barely) for a "shock jock" show, and became involved in the on-air stuff of another "shock jock" show. If it happened off-air, it would be one thing. If he didn't expect anything to "happen", he should have stayed away from the studio.

AND IT'S FUCKING YOU'RE, LENNY.

i think your wrong. ron made a big deal after dave was hired (i think crazy jen was looking for a job) about the fact that the producers are hired for behind the scenes and any on-air is just a bonus for them, it's not to be expected.

[underdog]

i think your wrong. ron made a big deal after dave was hired (i think crazy jen was looking for a job) about the fact that the producers are hired for behind the scenes and any on-air is just a bonus for them, it's not to be expected.

But Earl chokes out Dave on-air.

Also, I'm making a list. And you just joined it, buddy.

[Gvac]

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[ToiletCrusher]

I almost forgot that. Great point.

[writer_pete]

I think Earl was just too caught up in the moment to think about the consequences of his actions. When he didn't respond immediately to O&A the EMT was rightly called. (think about how ugly this could have become if there was a serious injury and nobody in studio attempted to seek medical help) The real problems come when Earl doesn't have the good sense to realize the ramifications of his silence. The moment he left for the hospital the incident elevated to silly proportions in the Sirius/XM boardrooms and the usual "cover our ass" wheels were set in motion.

I wouldn't be surprised if Earl thought he'd be returning from the hospital as a hero... the guy who tried to protect Fez. It wasn't until Ron unleashed his tirade that Earl took the time to ponder the mess his actions had set in motion.

[Gvac]

If anyone here dares tell me Earl isn't the wackiest person on the face of the planet I'll introduce you to him.

That's a threat!

[Gvac]

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[The Jays]

Wow a black guy gets knocked out and HE shouldbget fired for it? That's f'n hillariosuly racist.

You are kidding, right? This isn't about a black guy getting knocked out; it's about a man who lies about being sick that faked that he fainted. If he was knocked out at 1130, he would not be back by 2pm. It's logistically impossible.

[ndr]

If anyone is interested, we have a possible Donkey Kong kill screen coming up....

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Best LINE possibly EVER on O&A...Hey Casey! There will be a BIG THANK YOU!!! coming your way for that line!

....WAIT FOR IT!....:flush:

[The Jays]

"Danny did not fuck up?"

How is physically attacking and possibly injuring another co-worker anything but a fuck-up?! Unless you work for the WWE, there's no call for attacking someone in the workplace. I'm not sure where you've worked, but in the places I've worked, "roughhousing" at all, let alone to a point where someone slams their head on the ground, would lead to severe disciplinary action, if not outright firing.

Even if Earl was faking the result, Danny DID take that improper physical action. That's not even questionable! I'm certianly not one to defend everything that Earl does, but I have said before that b/c of his past sins (real or perceived), and his seeming inability to articulate a defense even when one seems obviously available, he often is attacked and blamed for things unfairly.

Contrary to how it was portrayed in Ron's anger (and even Ron admitted he was already pissed at the whole staff from when he woke up this morning), Earl did not call or ask for the EMT's to be called. It was JIMMY, with genuine concern in his voice, who insisted someone be called, with Opie then agreeing. Both Opie AND Jimmy said on air they saw Earl's head hit the floor. Head hitting floor = don't fuck around, be safe, call for help. This is not a schoolyard, it's a place of business. You can't just "walk it off, deek." If something truly serious was wrong and no one did anything about it, it would be MUCH WORSE trouble for the company than being overly cautious.

Contrary to what Fez said, at the time it happened, once Earl started talking he DID say he didn't remember exactly what happened. He wasn't able to speak for minutes. He said he felt dizzy and his vision was blurry. Ron himself said that at the time Earl told him he didn't know what happened. This is all consistent with a hard blow to the head. Maybe I'm naive, but I find it terribly hard to believe that someone would pretend to have all of those symptons and then continue to pretend to the point of being taken to the hospital. No one who was in the studio at that time except Danny (and Anthony & Patti, who said they didn't see it) denied that Earl hit his head on the floor- Opie, Mr. Evil of all people, showed concern and said they should call someone. I'm not sure why Ron was so angry about that part of it- that seems to be the least disputable part of the whole incident.

"in less then 3 hours, we are to believe he was transported, triaged, cat scanned, and given a clean bill of health... WITH NO CONCUSSION OR BRAIN DAMAGE... "

I don't understand your point here. If he had a concussion or brain damage then it would be ok for him to get released so quickly? What is in doubt? He clearly went to the hospital- even Ron said he saw him getting into the ambulance. He went to the hospital, was cleared, and went back to the studio. Are you suggesting he left AMA? Again, how is it Earl's fault that the hospital only kept him for two hours?

"reflects on the 202 shows, BADLY."

Yes, of course it does. And it should. But that's not Earl's fault. Opie instigated the situation, basically manipulating Danny into fighting Earl, and Danny willingly did the deed. This isn't the first time O&A staff physically confronted R&F staff. (Remember Roland/Dave? And everyone here said Roland was wrong when that went down. If Roland was wrong, why isn't Danny?) The hosts should not be allowing any kind of fighting in their studio- it's too dangerous, and there's too much liablility. Plus, they should be simply genuinely concerned about the safety of their people!

I'm not saying Danny should be fired, but he's definitely the wrong party here.

Earl's failed on a number of things, folks, but this ain't one of 'em.

Lastly, as for Earl "saving" Danny, that's up to him, but I don't know what sort of goodwill Danny has earned with him that would make Earl even want to help. This incident aside, Danny ruined his BRC show, and by all accounts picks on and makes fun of him behind the scenes with everybody else. Why should Earl care about Danny's life? That's one thing that's always amazed me about bullies, even going back to grade school: they make your life miserable, and then expect you to have their back if they get in trouble. Bizarre.

Seriously, you need to stop defending Earl. Earl faked being knocked out, Earl was completely fine, he went along for the ambulance ride because he is mentally twisted into thinking that him being sick is good, because he get attention and gets out of work.

I find it terribly hard to believe that someone would pretend to have all of those symptons and then continue to pretend to the point of being taken to the hospital.

Why do you find it hard to believe? Earl is fucking crazy. Crazy people will let themselves get taken for a ride to the hospital just so that he doesn't have to deal with the truth that he lied. Yes, he wasn't talking, yes he was lying on the floor, yes he says he doesn't remember anything... OF COURSE HE WOULD DO THOSE THING because he's acting! He's a faker! He's pretending because he's sick in the head! That's why I'm so sick of this "fire Danny" bullshit, because Earl fell down on purpose, he faked being knocked out, and he has been lying about this whole shit. If the EMTs thought he had suffered any head trauma, he should have been taken out in a neck brace and on a board; not in a wheelchair like a grandma going to the nursing home.

I don't understand your point here. If he had a concussion or brain damage then it would be ok for him to get released so quickly? What is in doubt? He clearly went to the hospital- even Ron said he saw him getting into the ambulance. He went to the hospital, was cleared, and went back to the studio. Are you suggesting he left AMA? Again, how is it Earl's fault that the hospital only kept him for two hours?

HE DIDN'T HAVE A CONCUSSION OR BRAIN DAMAGE, THAT'S WHY THE RELEASED HIM SO QUICKLY! It is evidence that Earl is fucking lying. Yes, he clearly went to the hospital, but he went because he chose to go, because in his own sick mind, he had to go in order to keep with the lie he was telling. It's Earl's fault that he lied about being knocked out, he lied about not remembering shit, and the hospital found nothing wrong with him, let him go, and then he proceeded to come back and keep the lie going. He is sick in the head, and it is not Earl's fault the hospital only kept him for two hours, it's his head's fault for not having a concussion or brain damage that would keep him more than two hours.

And, honestly, do you think Danny was really trying to fight Earl? Do you think that Danny thinks so little of his future in radio that he's going to get into a fight with Earl, and hurt him? Just because he's a dick and he's hungover at work doesn't mean he should be fired because Earl is a liar and a faker.

[The Jays]

Just recently near me, a guy was in a car accident and refused medical treatment at the scene. He came home, went to sleep, woke up with a splitting headache, and went to the hospital. By that time it was too late, he had a brain hemmorage and he was dead.

The difference here is that your guy was in a car accident, whereas Earl flopped to the floor and faked being knocked out. If the EMT had any suspicion of head trauma, which they did not, they would have had him in a neck brace and on a board.

[Manster72]

if that was the attitude then when earl choked dave he should have been fired on the spot, or when earl hit dave again on o and a with the toe sucking bit, and master po should have been fired when he kicked dave in the gut, but instead dave was suspended. it happens in a work enviroment they are in it goes. its not your corperate office. move on Earl is shit, he got blasted by mooch on the late show and couldnt handle the presure so he found a way out by being the victim, hence he cant get fired again. FIRE EARL FIRE EARL :wallbash:

[Randy in Vegas]

The only way I see Earl still working there is that this is a bit.

Seriously.

As much and as often as Earl has screwed things up, the only way he is still gonna be there is if Ron and Fez allow it. It is the Ron and Fez Show, and if Ron and Fez say they don't really want him there, he's gone. Maybe not fired...but definitely some place they'll never have to put up with him or see him regularly.

If anyone could do his job, and if he's really not doing his job, and if he's causing stress and harm to both the R&F and O&A shows...then he should be gone. Period.

Otherwise it's a bit, and we're all being worked.

The R&F Show is not like other radio shows. On the surface it might seem to be, but I think it shares many elements with soap operas and pro wrestling (which themselves are quite similar to each other). When Ronnie B commits to a bit, he's locked in. He never lets on. I think he could go for years if he had to. And maybe he has. Fez is incredibly talented and could not be not as weak and crazy as he projects. Dave is a comedic genius who drinks piss. Hicks is...well, a drunk. That don't make him a bad person, though.

This whole thing could, could, be the greatest long-form bit in the history of radio.

But if it is, we are never going to know for sure until it's over.

[Thrice]

Somebody needs to put together a Worst Of that features every "fainting" moment.

Fucking Earl.

[TheO]

Depending on where this goes, I think this might call for a good old fashion lynching

[CruelCircus]

We're obviously not going to find any common ground on this. You are convinced Earl is faking, lying, and pulling the strings of everyone involved. I am not. It would take a major committment to "fuck you" for someone to orchestrate a situation to this level. I just don't agree that Earl is making that committment. I do not believe Earl is crazy. You feel he's clinically insane, apparently.

You'll also note, I was not one of the people who said Danny should be fired.

I believe you're also wrong about proper EMT procedure. They use boards for spinal trauma and injured necks, to avoid further damage and possible paralysis. It is not at all a requirement for a blow to the head with no other indications. The EMT has discretion. If you spend time in a trauma ER, you'll see that often neck braces don't get put on until the patient gets into the ER itself. (And side note, you don't think Ron would be even more on Earl if they had gurneyed him out as opposed to a simple wheelchair?!)

I'll also point out that your logic is flawed on the "quick" release from the hospital. Head injuries are quite high on the triage list. It's likely he wouldn't have to wait very long to be seen. The fact that he didn't have a concussion or brain damage isn't evidence of a single thing as far as whether or not he was faking. All it proves is that he got lucky- he suffered a strong blow to the head and was able to avoid a concussion. The conclusion that then he must have then made it up "makes no sense," to quote Ronnie B.

And I don't think Danny (or Opie) was thinking about what could happen at all, one way or another. I don't think he thought, "I'm going to try and hurt Earl.", but I also don't think he thought, "Ok, in doing this bit, I better be careful, b/c if I do it wrong someone could get really hurt." He simply didn't think, and he was probably cocky enough that it didn't occur to him that he'd have to worry about consequences.


Seriously, you need to stop defending Earl. Earl faked being knocked out, Earl was completely fine, he went along for the ambulance ride because he is mentally twisted into thinking that him being sick is good, because he get attention and gets out of work.

Why do you find it hard to believe? Earl is fucking crazy. Crazy people will let themselves get taken for a ride to the hospital just so that he doesn't have to deal with the truth that he lied. Yes, he wasn't talking, yes he was lying on the floor, yes he says he doesn't remember anything... OF COURSE HE WOULD DO THOSE THING because he's acting! He's a faker! He's pretending because he's sick in the head! That's why I'm so sick of this "fire Danny" bullshit, because Earl fell down on purpose, he faked being knocked out, and he has been lying about this whole shit. If the EMTs thought he had suffered any head trauma, he should have been taken out in a neck brace and on a board; not in a wheelchair like a grandma going to the nursing home.

HE DIDN'T HAVE A CONCUSSION OR BRAIN DAMAGE, THAT'S WHY THE RELEASED HIM SO QUICKLY! It is evidence that Earl is fucking lying. Yes, he clearly went to the hospital, but he went because he chose to go, because in his own sick mind, he had to go in order to keep with the lie he was telling. It's Earl's fault that he lied about being knocked out, he lied about not remembering shit, and the hospital found nothing wrong with him, let him go, and then he proceeded to come back and keep the lie going. He is sick in the head, and it is not Earl's fault the hospital only kept him for two hours, it's his head's fault for not having a concussion or brain damage that would keep him more than two hours.

And, honestly, do you think Danny was really trying to fight Earl? Do you think that Danny thinks so little of his future in radio that he's going to get into a fight with Earl, and hurt him? Just because he's a dick and he's hungover at work doesn't mean he should be fired because Earl is a liar and a faker.

[CruelCircus]

But Earl chokes out Dave on-air.


Let me ask you this UD, if Earl had handled that situation the "proper" way, by going to management and filing a complaint against a coworker (Dave) for harassment and management (in the form of the hosts) for allowing the harassment to continue unchecked, what would everyone have said about Earl then?

[Golfman]

Let me ask you this UD, if Earl had handled that situation the "proper" way, by going to management and filing a complaint against a coworker (Dave) for harassment and management (in the form of the hosts) for allowing the harassment to continue unchecked, what would everyone have said about Earl then?

I think somebody drove to Louisville or Cincy recently with this sig pics:)

[Melk]

My punishment recomendations:
Danny: Suspension

Earl: Suspension (Pending a 2-week stay and FULL evaluation at Four Winds)

Dave: Suspension (Pending rehab)

[underdog]

Let me ask you this UD, if Earl had handled that situation the "proper" way, by going to management and filing a complaint against a coworker (Dave) for harassment and management (in the form of the hosts) for allowing the harassment to continue unchecked, what would everyone have said about Earl then?

I would hope everyone would want Earl removed for going about it that way.

[KingGeno]

Somebody needs to put together a Worst Of that features every "fainting" moment.

If it is like this I will be happy.

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[Tenbatsuzen]

So you guys want someone who has never even seen a shrink involuntarily commit themselves to Four Winds to keep their job.

I'm not sure of the legalities of that, first of all, and second of all, committing yourself without seeing a shrink first isn't exactly very healthy.

Stop using Four Winds. In any other HR situation, Danny would be fired or suspended and a note would be put in Earl's file.

[underdog]

In any other HR situation, Danny would be fired or suspended and a note would be put in Earl's file.

And that's the problem, getting HR involved.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I believe you're also wrong about proper EMT procedure. They use boards for spinal trauma and injured necks, to avoid further damage and possible paralysis. It is not at all a requirement for a blow to the head with no other indications. The EMT has discretion. If you spend time in a trauma ER, you'll see that often neck braces don't get put on until the patient gets into the ER itself. (And side note, you don't think Ron would be even more on Earl if they had gurneyed him out as opposed to a simple wheelchair?!)

I'll also point out that your logic is flawed on the "quick" release from the hospital. Head injuries are quite high on the triage list. It's likely he wouldn't have to wait very long to be seen.

I was going to bring this up too last night. The EMT is not "in on the bit". Faking or not, it's their responsibility (and their ass) to give people the best care, faking or not. The EMT doesn't know who Earl is. They received word of someone hitting their head and they took them in to be evaluated.

Same goes for the doctors.

[Aneurysm]

I agree. And regardless of Earl faking it or not, in the eyes of the company Danny still physically interacted with another employee and said employee took a fall. A producer should not be touching other employees while on the clock or near the property

[Tenbatsuzen]

And that's the problem, getting HR involved.

Did Earl actually go to HR?

Or did it become an HR issue because the bosses heard the bit?

[Aneurysm]

Did Earl actually go to HR?

Or did it become an HR issue because the bosses heard the bit?

There were meetings going on before Earl got back from the hospital. The bosses heard the show and started it the minute O&A were finishing the show

[Tenbatsuzen]

There were meetings going on before Earl got back from the hospital. The bosses heard the show and started it the minute O&A were finishing the show

Bingo - this is what I thought. People are thinking Earl is filing complaints with HR and leaving everyone hanging out to dry.

When Earl took the ambulance ride, his frame of mind was to go get checked out. He probably never received a shot to the head before so he was probably a little confused, a little afraid. He probably had no idea the kind of shit storm that was brewing back at XM.

If the bosses heard the show and heard Danny's tirades, Danny's in a load of shit.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Dumb question - let's say this happened off the air (which the Febreze bit started - off the air).. are you so quick to condemn Earl then?

Let's be honest... Earl was taking part in the bit. He was BEING A PART OF THE SHOW. Being a devil's advocate - let's say he WAS faking. It made for compelling radio. He doesn't know how "far" it would go at this point.


I think people are missing that E-Rock - you know, one of the main producers of the O&A show - just posted a picture mocking Earl. One would think that would mean this shit has blown over.

[Aneurysm]

Bingo - this is what I thought. People are thinking Earl is filing complaints with HR and leaving everyone hanging out to dry.

When Earl took the ambulance ride, his frame of mind was to go get checked out. He probably never received a shot to the head before so he was probably a little confused, a little afraid. He probably had no idea the kind of shit storm that was brewing back at XM.

If the bosses heard the show and heard Danny's tirades, Danny's in a load of shit.

Two things that I took note of.

When Earl came back, he said that he told Sam to make sure the bosses knew Danny didn't do anything.

And when Earl went down, Danny got defensive and started saying he was faking it and making jokes. Danny, despite knowing if he faked or not showed no remorse.

Bosses usually don't like the militant asshole in a situation like this

[mikeyboy]

I wonder if they'll re-play this song.

Sleeves - "Earl Douglas' Way" (http://www.atomsmotion.com/uploads/earldouglasway.mp3)

[Tenbatsuzen]

I wonder if they'll re-play this song.

Sleeves - "Earl Douglas' Way" (http://www.atomsmotion.com/uploads/earldouglasway.mp3)

Should the Patches song be updated?

[FezsAssistant]

Don't forget Ron helped facilitate this by calling O&A pussies and 'not what they used to be'. But EVERYONE else is to blame. Classic alcoholic behavior.

[KnoxHarrington]

What always strikes me as stupid about these "bits" (if they are indeed bits) is that it seems like no one realizes they have new bosses now who might not know as much about the show as their old bosses used to. There's no E-Lo who's in on the joke now -- there are a bunch of new VP's and program directors who just see these shows as two more on the list (and probably not that far up the list), and might wonder why they should put up with this, and might wonder why, when the company is in severe cost-cutting mode, their health insurance has to pay EMT bills based on a radio gag.

It's why I think that maybe it's better for Ron & Fez to cut ties with O&A altogether. The self-destructiveness of the O&A show is just astounding. You'd think people who'd been in radio as long as they have would have more of a clue about this stuff.

[Randy in Vegas]

Don't forget Ron helped facilitate this by calling O&A pussies and 'not what they used to be'. But EVERYONE else is to blame. Classic alcoholic behavior.

I don't think O&A were reacting to Ron's comments, which were obviously meant to be funny. If they were, they would have taken it out on Fez, who was there asleep. I mean, he was there...right?

And I don't think that Ron was out of line taking his anger out on his producers, especially Earl. He knew that it was just Earl being the fainting goat again and it would suck if anyone lost their job over a stupid prank.

[epo]

What always strikes me as stupid about these "bits" (if they are indeed bits) is that it seems like no one realizes they have new bosses now who might not know as much about the show as their old bosses used to. There's no E-Lo who's in on the joke now -- there are a bunch of new VP's and program directors who just see these shows as two more on the list (and probably not that far up the list), and might wonder why they should put up with this, and might wonder why, when the company is in severe cost-cutting mode, their health insurance has to pay EMT bills based on a radio gag.

It's why I think that maybe it's better for Ron & Fez to cut ties with O&A altogether. The self-destructiveness of the O&A show is just astounding. You'd think people who'd been in radio as long as they have would have more of a clue about this stuff.

May I have my brain back please?

[mrlithic]

I am not sure if Ron and Fez can cut their ties with O&A at this point. They are on their channel and the only NY talk radio station that might take them is the on that O&A is on.

The bit sounded malicious if you did not know the back story. It was the cool kids taunting the freaks. Spray the shit smell on Patti, spray it on Fez, wrestle Earl to get to Fez etc.

Once you know the context, that Patti will come back and is upset but not damaged, then the bit works.

The difficulty with Earl is that he did his usual fainting episode in an environment that people did not recognise it. When he did it on Ron and Fez, they laughed and got him to do it again.

O&A diod not see it as that and treated his fainting as a concussion (reasonable assumption).

The problem is now Earl will not fess up and say "hey, i fainted, I do it all of the time, look at this youtube video of me doing it". he is doing his usual run and hide from the bosses and leaving guys like Danny and co out to dry.

This is not about shit spray, or Danny takedown techniques. This is about Earl Douglas trying to disguise his fainting and having it look like Danny tried to slam him to the ground.

[genericbus]

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Of course Earl has a head injury, just look at how his neck has been crushed into his body!

[Sloppy2nds]

The only way I see Earl still working there is that this is a bit.

Seriously.

As much and as often as Earl has screwed things up, the only way he is still gonna be there is if Ron and Fez allow it. It is the Ron and Fez Show, and if Ron and Fez say they don't really want him there, he's gone. Maybe not fired...but definitely some place they'll never have to put up with him or see him regularly.

If anyone could do his job, and if he's really not doing his job, and if he's causing stress and harm to both the R&F and O&A shows...then he should be gone. Period.

Otherwise it's a bit, and we're all being worked.

The R&F Show is not like other radio shows. On the surface it might seem to be, but I think it shares many elements with soap operas and pro wrestling (which themselves are quite similar to each other). When Ronnie B commits to a bit, he's locked in. He never lets on. I think he could go for years if he had to. And maybe he has. Fez is incredibly talented and could not be not as weak and crazy as he projects. Dave is a comedic genius who drinks piss. Hicks is...well, a drunk. That don't make him a bad person, though.

This whole thing could, could, be the greatest long-form bit in the history of radio.

But if it is, we are never going to know for sure until it's over.

If it's not a bit, Earl is toast.

[mrlithic]

That is a good question:

What is Earl to the show?

Dave is a self-destructive drunk that models the past icons of Billy Staples and such

Hicks is a decent producer who has moved to the background (I wish rthe High Society Hicks would make more of an appearance)

Mooch is a Proddy Irish kid that can out-produce Earl ten times over.

Earl has has every job function removed from him and now looks like he may not even be able to book guests.

He would be a decent character but he is a pretty expensive addition when characters are free (Big A, Crazy Jen etc etc)

[hydee]

We're obviously not going to find any common ground on this. You are convinced Earl is faking, lying, and pulling the strings of everyone involved. I am not. It would take a major committment to "fuck you" for someone to orchestrate a situation to this level. I just don't agree that Earl is making that committment. I do not believe Earl is crazy. You feel he's clinically insane, apparently.

You'll also note, I was not one of the people who said Danny should be fired.

I believe you're also wrong about proper EMT procedure. They use boards for spinal trauma and injured necks, to avoid further damage and possible paralysis. It is not at all a requirement for a blow to the head with no other indications. The EMT has discretion. If you spend time in a trauma ER, you'll see that often neck braces don't get put on until the patient gets into the ER itself. (And side note, you don't think Ron would be even more on Earl if they had gurneyed him out as opposed to a simple wheelchair?!)

I'll also point out that your logic is flawed on the "quick" release from the hospital. Head injuries are quite high on the triage list. It's likely he wouldn't have to wait very long to be seen. The fact that he didn't have a concussion or brain damage isn't evidence of a single thing as far as whether or not he was faking. All it proves is that he got lucky- he suffered a strong blow to the head and was able to avoid a concussion. The conclusion that then he must have then made it up "makes no sense," to quote Ronnie B.

And I don't think Danny (or Opie) was thinking about what could happen at all, one way or another. I don't think he thought, "I'm going to try and hurt Earl.", but I also don't think he thought, "Ok, in doing this bit, I better be careful, b/c if I do it wrong someone could get really hurt." He simply didn't think, and he was probably cocky enough that it didn't occur to him that he'd have to worry about consequences.

I have to jump in here and say that I would agree with you if Earl hadn't have lied. The reason Fez broke his bit is why Earl should be fired.

Before the EMTs even got there Opie talked to Earl, and at that point Earl knew what had happened. He said that they were talking about Fez and then it was a bit fuzzy.

Then when he got back the the studio he lied about not being able to remember what happened. Fez broke because he knew that Earl wasn't telling the truth. Fez was in the room with him and knew that Earl had talked to the guys and things looked like Earl was fine

Fez also didn't want Earl to call the bosses and tell the version of the story that he was telling. He knew that if Earl did that things would go from worse to OMGBBQ.

Earl should be fired because he is a liar, and he is constantly causing his company to pay for medical issues that don't exist. I go back to the fact that Earl doesn't even use the stuff that he was told to use for his sleep issues.

[Sloppy2nds]

This has to be a bit. Earl sounds like he's acting.

[Tenbatsuzen]

That is a good question:

What is Earl to the show?

Dave is a self-destructive drunk that models the past icons of Billy Staples and such

Hicks is a decent producer who has moved to the background (I wish rthe High Society Hicks would make more of an appearance)

Mooch is a Proddy Irish kid that can out-produce Earl ten times over.

Earl has has every job function removed from him and now looks like he may not even be able to book guests.

He would be a decent character but he is a pretty expensive addition when characters are free (Big A, Crazy Jen etc etc)

I understand a lot of people like Mooch over Earl, but can we slow down with the non-stop Mooch adulation until he actually does something? A lot of people liked Pitz too.

And also - why do people want Mooch to take Earl's job? If anything, either Dave or someone new should get Earl's job if Earl leaves.

[Randy in Vegas]

This has to be a bit. Earl sounds like he's acting.

He's the weak link here...but it's hard to tell because he always sounds like he's lying.

[samnyc]

The only way I see Earl still working there is that this is a bit.



It is not a bit. No radio guy plans a bit around EMTs and an ambulance arriving.

[Gvac]

I understand a lot of people like Mooch over Earl, but can we slow down with the non-stop Mooch adulation until he actually does something? A lot of people liked Pitz too.

And also - why do people want Mooch to take Earl's job? If anything, either Dave or someone new should get Earl's job if Earl leaves.

Until Mooch does something? Who do you think put together the entire "how the Sleeves and Perrynoid songs were created" best of? He's also put together tons of show openings.

Mooch has done a TON of production work for Ron and Fez because he's intensely passionate about the show; a true fan. To the best of my knowledge, he hasn't drawn a single paycheck for his efforts. He just absolutely adores the Ron and Fez Show. Much like Dave. That kind of passion can't be taught, and bringing in an outsider would never guarantee that kind of enthusiasm.

And how can we wait "until he actually does something" if you're not willing to give him a shot?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Until Mooch does something? Who do you think put together the entire "how the Sleeves and Perrynoid songs were created" best of? He's also put together tons of show openings.

Mooch has done a TON of production work for Ron and Fez because he's intensely passionate about the show; a true fan. To the best of my knowledge, he hasn't drawn a single paycheck for his efforts. He just absolutely adores the Ron and Fez Show. Much like Dave. That kind of passion can't be taught, and bringing in an outsider would never guarantee that kind of enthusiasm.

And how can we wait "until he actually does something" if you're not willing to give him a shot?

So he cuts tape. In a ShortCut or an Avid I'm guessing as well. Fantastic. I think a producer of a show should be a fan of the show, but I'm just requesting a slowdown of the "lets make an intern the executive producer" talk.

Giant Brian was an outsider. He did a pretty good job.

There's a thing in any job called "paying dues" - something I'm sure you can identify with. And to me, Dave has paid in a lot more than Mooch has. Dave brings a lot of creativity to the table, moreso than just cutting tape.

I'm not saying Mooch shouldn't be a paid employee. But people who are saying Mooch should go from unpaid intern to executive producer in one step is premature at best.

Going back to Pitz - Pitz got a paying gig and was promptly blasted because he basically gave up on the job. And everyone was pumping up Pitz as well.

[Blackie_O]

Good thread.

[Gvac]

Pitz got a paying gig and was promptly blasted because he basically gave up on the job. And everyone was pumping up Pitz as well.

Agreed, and the Pitzy ordeal really surprised me. At every function I ever attended I saw that kid working his ass off. I really thought he'd be a valuable asset and I was shocked when I heard he wasn't really putting effort into the job. Then again, maybe that wasn't the case at all. Maybe he just wanted to move on and it made better radio to say he wasn't pulling his weight rather than just wish him well and send him on his way. I don't pretend to know everything that goes on behind the scenes.

I think Mooch is a lot more skilled and motivated than you give him credit for, however, and the fact that he's so outspoken, open, and honest when he gets behind a mic is a really valuable asset. I think he could be a polarizing figure, a la Al Dukes. People either love him or hate him.

I happen to love Mooch, and whether he should leapfrog Dave or not isn't the question. I just think he'd be a valuable addition to the team, and I also believe that if Earl left (for whatever reason) it would be a classic case of addition by subtraction.

I don't hate Earl. I honestly think he has a lot of problems. Ron and Fez have mined quite a bit of comedy out of him over the years, but they can do that with ANYBODY. It's what they do, and they're the best there is at what they do.

I think fans who believe Earl is irreplaceable because he provides comic relief from his fuck ups just don't appreciate the comedic talents of Ron and Fez enough.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I happen to love Mooch, and whether he should leapfrog Dave or not isn't the question. I just think he'd be a valuable addition to the team, and I also believe that if Earl left (for whatever reason) it would be a classic case of addition by subtraction.



Actually, that was the question. Several people on this thread made their opinions known that Mooch should replace Earl. As I said, I don't mind Mooch being paid for his efforts, but I think making him executive producer is a bit much.

[BMoses]

It is a case of Earl being a black hole of deceit. Whether or not Earl is faking it, he has a past behavior of being untruthful. This has lead to any action of his, genuine or not, to be subject to ridicule and speculation.

[meatwad666]

You are missing the big picture. Ron is not pissed that Earl went to the hospital. Ron is pissed that Earl has a history of mysterious episodes of fainting and illness.
Fainting at febreeze, his bullshit sleep apnea that Dr. Steve thought was responsible for his shitty work, but now Earl says he doesn't wear the mask anymore, and all the other times Ron pressures Earl and Earl responds with his "I am just feeling out of it" excuse.
Ron is mad at Earl and probably himself for tolerating Earl's shit for this long and now it may have dire consequences. Earl cried wolf too many times. Even if Earl really was hurt, knowing his history he played it up. He probably got stressed first about the fall and his minor "injury" then his stress level amped up as he realized all the drama he caused. Instead of standing up and saying he was ok, he shut down as usual.
I think Danny maybe needs to be punished. So should Kenny for holding Dave down as they shaved Dave's head.
But, that doesn't mean Earl has no responsibility. Or maybe he is just to fragile to work there. I don't mean physically, stress wise, he is a china doll.
I am not a big Danny fan, but that is a personality conflict. Earl hurts the show!

I just finished listening to the show on friday and all throughout this was exactly what i was thinking. earl's REFUSAL to assume some personal responsibility is infuriating. he claimed before that the cause of his "health problems" was some sleep problem. docotors prescribed him a mask and that seemed to help, but then he decided that he didnt like it and so he stopped wearing it (i'm assuming the cessation was not recommended by a doctor but done by earl's own decision). he also KNOWS that he has a bad reaction to stress and especially odors, which cause him to "faint".

Now, were those conditions afflicting any other reasonable person, they would say to themselves "maybe i should prevent myself from getting in situations where i will become over stressed, or become exposed to odors or febreeze." the logical response to that thought would be to NOT GO ON THE AIR, ESPECIALLY ON O & A. As an example of someone who does fine never being on air (and its not exactly equivalent becuase i dont think he has some wishy-washy health issue) Travis is a producer and RARELY is on air, and apparently does a good job, contributes, and gets credit for it.

if he wants to be in radio fine, but he needs to take responsibility for his own actions, and not let himself get into situations where he may have health related issues. the easiest way to do that is to not be on air, or interact directly with on air people where he may be tempted to become involved in a stunt or bit.

[jasmillo]

That is a good question:

What is Earl to the show?



Entertainment.....look how many Earl threads are on this board right now. Look how many pages this particular thread is. He brings value in that people talk about him after the show is over. Firing Earl would not make the show any better.

He's like instant filler whenever there is slow time. He must add some value-how many years has he been a producer for either R&F or O&A now?????

[The Jays]

We're obviously not going to find any common ground on this. You are convinced Earl is faking, lying, and pulling the strings of everyone involved. I am not. It would take a major committment to "fuck you" for someone to orchestrate a situation to this level. I just don't agree that Earl is making that committment. I do not believe Earl is crazy. You feel he's clinically insane, apparently.


Yes, I feel he is crazy, and his craziness prohibits him from doing his job. Just listen how everyone else now does the work he is supposed to do. He is crazy because he makes up illnesses, and he pretends to faint all the time. It's not hard for him to continue with this lie, because he doesn't know how else to deal with it, and he does not want to say he was lying the whole time, and as he keeps up the lie, the situation gets worse around him, because as a result of this lie, people's jobs are at risk, and he doesn't care because he is crazy.

I'll also point out that your logic is flawed on the "quick" release from the hospital. Head injuries are quite high on the triage list. It's likely he wouldn't have to wait very long to be seen. The fact that he didn't have a concussion or brain damage isn't evidence of a single thing as far as whether or not he was faking. All it proves is that he got lucky- he suffered a strong blow to the head and was able to avoid a concussion. The conclusion that then he must have then made it up "makes no sense," to quote Ronnie B.

There is no reason why he should have any memory loss without the doctors being able to see head trauma. If he had no concussion but they thought for a second he might have head trauma, he should have been kept and looked after. He didn't have a concussion because he flopped to the floor as if he was being thrown on the ground. Danny even says as much on the show. Earl is a loon, I don't see why you trust him at all.

[meatwad666]

Entertainment.....look how many Earl threads are on this board right now. Look how many pages this particular thread is. He brings value in that people talk about him after the show is over. Firing Earl would not make the show any better.

He's like instant filler whenever there is slow time. He must add some value-how many years has he been a producer for either R&F or O&A now?????

situations like this are not entertaining; and its not even a fun form of uncomfortable. when he refuses to acknowledge his own medical or psychological problems, and it puts many peoples jobs and 2 shows in jeapordy, its a problem.

[meatwad666]

Earl is a loon, I don't see why you trust him at all.

i also see it as a bit of an attention grabbing set of behaviors. while ron jokes about it with fez how fez's best shows are when he's talking about his mental problems, i think earl is desperate for the negative attention.

[mr.c]

The days of the lax atmosphere at XM are over.
Sirius plans to run the operation as a business.
If Earl is all talk and no work he is gone.
:clap:

[jasmillo]

situations like this are not entertaining; and its not even a fun form of uncomfortable. when he refuses to acknowledge his own medical or psychological problems, and it puts many peoples jobs and 2 shows in jeapordy, its a problem.

Give me a break. That is R&F and O&A's fault then. They have kept him around for this long because he provides moments like this.

Sorry, but this is a form of entertainment. If it wasn't the conversation you heard at the end of the show of Friday would not have happened on air. Everything they air is done for a reason to get idiots (like us) talking...

At least some idiots (like me) see this situation for what it is unlike idiots (like you) who actually think this "incident" will take down both radio shows.

[meatwad666]

Give me a break. That is R&F and O&A's fault then. They have kept him around for this long because he provides moments like this.

Sorry, but this is a form of entertainment. If it wasn't the conversation you heard at the end of the show of Friday would not have happened on air. Everything they air is done for a reason to get idiots (like us) talking...

At least some idiots (like me) see this situation for what it is unlike idiots (like you) who actually think this "incident" will take down both radio shows.

if its a work, then good for them. if its not, it is earls fault at this point.

[Serpico1103]

Actually, that was the question. Several people on this thread made their opinions known that Mooch should replace Earl. As I said, I don't mind Mooch being paid for his efforts, but I think making him executive producer is a bit much.

If the choice is Earl or Mooch who do you pick?
I love ESD, but he should not be an EP. He is creative talent.
They need an EP that can lead people. Usually creativity and organization are mutually exclusive, so I think they need people who love the show producing bits and other content, but also an EP that can control the chaos.
Earl does NOTHING!! He adds no content, he does not help the creative talent, he does not organize anything.
Ron said that having soundboard Fez ready for Friday would have been great. Where was Earl on that? FUCK! I am not saying do a perfect job every day. I am not saying do a perfect job ever. JUST DO SOMETHING!

[meatwad666]

If the choice is Earl or Mooch who do you pick?


why is the choice limited to those two? neither have the experience.

[Serpico1103]

why is the choice limited to those two? neither have the experience.

Because that was my question. I am all for hiring an outsider, I just don't know anyone available for the job.
But, I wanted to know if he would prefer Mooch to Earl. I do think they need a professional EP, but at least Mooch has drive and talent. Two, of many, things that Earl lacks.

[meatwad666]

Because that was my question. I am all for hiring an outsider, I just don't know anyone available for the job.
But, I wanted to know if he would prefer Mooch to Earl. I do think they need a professional EP, but at least Mooch has drive and talent. Two, of many, things that Earl lacks.

i dont think its fair to say ealr dosnt have any drive and talent. i think he's just ended up in a situation that he doesnt belong.

[BerkshireGeoff]

As a truly lazy man Earl took the opportunity to lay down, bring all the attention on himself, get a ride in a ambulance. Make some new friends, what a day he had. I just hope he told the doctors
Ron & Silent Fez (Oh Yea) Noon to 3

"It's still fuzzy" Made for Great radio!!!

[Gvac]

i dont think its fair to say ealr dosnt have any drive and talent. i think he's just ended up in a situation that he doesnt belong.

When has he shown either of those attributes?

And if he doesn't belong in that situation, why has he chosen to stay so long?

You're almost making it sound like a 40 year old grown man has no control over his life and career.

[midwestjeff]

http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=54634&page=40&highlight=members

Don't forget to sign the guestbook.

[meatwad666]

When has he shown either of those attributes?

And if he doesn't belong in that situation, why has he chosen to stay so long?

You're almost making it sound like a 40 year old grown man has no control over his life and career.

i dont work behind the scenes, nor do i know his complete work history, so i cannot answer the first question.

as far as the second, i cant answer that for him; although as i said above (or on the last page however your options are set), i think he likes the negative attention.

i would hazard to guess that its not that he has no control, its just that he's afraid to take it. he has a job, and gets a paycheck, and hasnt been fired. status-quo here we come.


or its just a bit, since apparently i have to qualify everything with that statement.

[sevenxbjt]

First, I am brand new to the site, so hello all. Second, I do think this is real and that Earl is very unpredictable and needs to go. Considering the post merger climate, it seems to be poor business to go to bat for anyone who is a non-contributor. When I think of the best possible R&F product, Earl just is not part of the equation. On the flip side, the way that Ron handled the Friday show just proves what a professional he is, and what an asset he is to the new company.

[TheO]

why is the choice limited to those two? neither have the experience.

I want my name in the hat for Earl's gig.... I have the experience, and i'm a decent leader..... and i know the show well enough to jump right in....
i want a trial 2 weeks with half of Earl's pay...., and I want to stay at Fez's or Pepper's Mom's place....

here's my experience

RADIO-

1992-1995- WVGO- High School Internship
I knew a guy who worked at the station who got me in as a paid intern.
i got minimum wage for 35 hours a week, but could stay as much as i wanted (unpaid) after that, which was about 60 hours a week total. i was home schooled so i would often stay for the evening shift into overnights and would then board op the morning shift.

1995/97- WBZU -
production
promotions
board op mornings
on air midday co-host
on air weekend overnight

1998/99- WRXL - Internship - Jeff & Jeff Morning Show
cut and edit audio
screen calls
schedule guests
pre-interview guests
board op
remote setup
misc duties and tasks as instructed

1999/02- Fill in Producer- Eric E Stanley's BeBop Boogie and Blues Revue (various stations)
cut and edit audio
board op

1999/2005- WXGI
producer for various call in talk programing
on air shifts as needed
board op for special live events
sales
production
promotions
engineering
various misc duties

2004/05- WRVQ- Q Morning Zoo
On Air - 4th mic/Comedic Relief for 2 dudes and a hole
on air - remotes (Bar nights and such)
weekend shifts as needed
production

TELEVISION-

1999- WTVR/CBS- The Late Night Action Movie
wrote and co-hosted segments that played during bad, late night movies on the weekend

2000/07- Comcast Public Access- The Worst Television Show Ever
wrote, edited, hosted, produced, promoted, booked guests, and everything else..., my own weekly public access talk show....
and built up quite a cult following of rednecks and dark t-shirt wearing youth

STAND UP COMEDY-

2003-2005- Various Open Mics
Bombed a million times, only made crowd really laugh once (had a meltdown on stage).... which was my last time

FILM-
I have assisted on many student and amateur films, in various roles
sound
lights
sfx
asst. director
writing (well peppering scripts with flavor)

and i have written my own movie, which i hope to shoot in the next year, called
DEMONIC ABORTED SEWER FECAL FETUSES REVENGE


i love the show, i know the business, and i can be benificial......
2 week paid (by Earl) trial run.......

no suits or corporate bs paperwork.....


I can start ASAP:smoke:

[Serpico1103]

Fuck Earl. I watched that "Mikey D broke his video" again and Earl pulled that fainting routine that time. The same fluttering eyes, I don't know whats happening, falling down, bullshit.
After he fel, on Friday, l he acted like he couldn't talk. Either you are out or you are conscious, there is no gray area of speechlessness.
I don't doubt he hit his head. I doubt that the hit caused his overreaction. His slow speech, acting like he is confused. Trying to avoid saying anything so he can't be called a liar.
Fuck Earl.
"I'll do the right thing"----- befuddling vagary. "What will you do Earl"... "I'll do the right thing." Always trying to avoid saying anything definitive so he can avoid any responsibility.

[ThatNewCarSmell]

Ron and Fez have NEVER fired anyone, and probably never will. It's not their way. Ron firmly believes in giving everyone as many chances as they're willing to take. He also believes in giving them enough rope to hang themselves, and then leaves the decision up to them.


I agree... but I think Fez would fire Earl long before Ron would. The Ron & Fez show's 'entourage' is filled with outcasts and misfits (same was true of the Ron & Ron show). Ron has a unique perspective on life, partly due to being a former addict and recovering alcoholic. A less thoughtful man would have taken the easy way out and fired Earl years ago. Ronnie B has a big heart, and he practices what he preaches. Did you catch Ron telling Paulo to cherish his new girl, don't think about what might happen tomorrow, and show some reverence for the happiness he has in his life today? (paraphrasing). It was masterful.

Who on R&F is not a misfit? Granted, not everyone is borderline like Earl (borderline between neurotic and psychotic). I'm as fucked up as the next listener, and I can identify with most of these people. I'm guessing that many of us are reeled-in by the honesty and sincerity of Ron in dealing with these nuts, even if it makes us cringe at times (paging New Lilly).

Dave (and Ant) would do well to follow Ron's example (and Jimmie's), and get sober. Live is a lot better without booze. With a baby daughter and a pregnant wife, it's time to grow up (a little!). I wouldn't say it if I didn't care. Ron told Dave to go home to his wife instead of going out drinking at 3am Friday. Ron was right.

Whatever happens, last week was Radio Gold!

[The Jays]

I have never seen anyone get knocked out, but from what my girl tells me about when I was knocked out in the car accident, I did a snore. I can tell you, I had a concussion, and I have no memory of the accident, and she tells me I tried my hardest to get away and tell the EMTs that I was ok, and I didn't need any help. Only fakers would just go along calmly with the EMTs.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I have never seen anyone get knocked out, but from what my girl tells me about when I was knocked out in the car accident, I did a snore. I can tell you, I had a concussion, and I have no memory of the accident, and she tells me I tried my hardest to get away and tell the EMTs that I was ok, and I didn't need any help. Only fakers would just go along calmly with the EMTs.

Jays, I like your posts, but you can't make blanket statements like this as a condemnation of Earl. Everyone reacts differently to injury.

[mrlithic]

The difference between Mooch and Pitz

Pitz was the best intern who when promoted to produce could not bring new content to the show.

Mooch is an illegal who cannot work in the country that has brought new content to the show in a variety of ways, often on a daily basis.

unfortunately, there is a sign at the old XM studios. (No Man-dogs, No Irish)

Hopefully this will change under Sirius.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The difference between Mooch and Pitz

Pitz was the best intern who when promoted to produce could not bring new content to the show.

Mooch is an illegal who cannot work in the country that has brought new content to the show in a variety of ways, often on a daily basis.

unfortunately, there is a sign at the old XM studios. (No Man-dogs, No Irish)

Hopefully this will change under Sirius.

OK. What "new content" has mooch brought besides show opens and best ofs, which is time consuming grunt work, but not exactly "new content".

[epo]

Jays, I like your posts, but you can't make blanket statements like this as a condemnation of Earl. Everyone reacts differently to injury.

I hate to agree with Matty, but as a person who has been concussed a few times I can tell you that he's absolutely correct.

[epo]

Mooch is an illegal who cannot work in the country that has brought new content to the show in a variety of ways, often on a daily basis.


Umm...Mooch is sorta married to our fair Pixie, hence perfectly legal.

[drjoek]

OK. What "new content" has mooch brought besides show opens and best ofs, which is time consuming grunt work, but not exactly "new content".

Mooch brought a new gimmick known as calling me an asshole because I didn't like his openers. He and Dave did a nice 1/2 an hour on the paltalk show.
Yeah hes the best

[unclevictim]

I met Earl once at a WNEW WOW sticker stop in Hackensack, this is when they had that bimbo PR chick doing interviews on camera and stuff. Earl's standing there holding a bunch of stickers looking "indifferent" about what to do, So I just walk over and asked him if I could have five so I can give them to a few of my co-workers. Earl hands me a whole stack. I probably had about 40 or 50 WOW stickers and suddenly I'm getting rushed as I try to leave, so I end up handing out stickers to people in the crowd while Earl just stood there and I looked over to him and what the fuck are you waiting for? I ended up taking 3 stickers and throwing the rest into the air just to get away from the mob all yelling at me to give them 3 or 4 or however many.

When Ron and Fez made him a producer, I was surprised knowing firsthand, that his reputation of being lazy wasn't such a stretch.

Well that's sorta why I don't think much of the guy as a necessity worthy of a prominent position.

As for Danny, he's got serious anger issues, he can't take a joke, takes himself way to seriously and w/ this Earl tackle deal he sort of proved he doesn't know his own strength (or maybe he does).

So we're dealing with two sides of the spectrum here. One guy is a lazy bum, the other is a over serious bully. Maybe we'll get lucky and these two assholes have canceled each other out.

It's great radio though, ain't it?

[BlackFan]

i'm fairly new here,but i've been listening to the show on and off since free fm. and in that short period of time i've never heard earl be anything but a liability. the only reason i even think he's employed there is to fill a quota,because i can't for the life of me see why he's still there.

gvac could not be more right,take your lumps like a man and move on.

one time i was boxing with my friend in a building hallway (i was alot younger than i am now) and he got me into a corner and punched my head up against a wall.a brick project wall.not those flimsy paper walls you see in alot of the newer buildings.

not a punk ass mush i mean he clobbered me, he has retard strength and i layed there on the floor for a sec and as my other friend counted i got up looked everyone in the face and said fuck this and went back in the apartment. end of story no ambulance, no coddling,just a fuck you guys it's not that funny and i went in the house. man up earl.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Also, going back to the EMT thing... did you ever think the EMT MADE Earl go in and get check out?

A lot - and I mean a LOT - of EMT's I've dealt with are incredibly overzealous about the job they do. Even though you walk away and say "I'm fine", they'll get in yoru face about taking you to the hospital.

I didn't even think about this until I remembered what happened with me and the EMT at Big Ass Night of Fights II and how he reacted to the Ice Cream Girl situation.

Same thing happened when I got into a car accident. They freaked out if you refuse attention.

[drusilla]

I have never seen anyone get knocked out, but from what my girl tells me about when I was knocked out in the car accident, I did a snore. I can tell you, I had a concussion, and I have no memory of the accident, and she tells me I tried my hardest to get away and tell the EMTs that I was ok, and I didn't need any help. Only fakers would just go along calmly with the EMTs.

i've seen a few head injuries at work & honestly never had anyone let out a snore. most times they just lie there totally unresponsive even to me yelling their names & slapping them in the face. sometimes when the emt's finally get there the person is so out of it & has no idea what's really going on they just calmly get into the chair or on the gurney & get taken to the hospital.


i hate to stick up for earl if this could be considered doing so in anyway, but i have seen people react the way he did. of course i wasn't there, i was just listening & watching on hearustalk. so i have no idea what may have been said off air.

[drusilla]

The difference here is that your guy was in a car accident, whereas Earl flopped to the floor and faked being knocked out. If the EMT had any suspicion of head trauma, which they did not, they would have had him in a neck brace and on a board.

that's not true. there are very different degrees of head injury, not all requiring a neck brace & spine board.

this whole thing is fishy. including how fast he was released from the hospital. that is what i find the weirdest. but some people can hit their head without getting concussed.

[ndr]

So you guys want someone who has never even seen a shrink involuntarily commit themselves to Four Winds to keep their job.

I'm not sure of the legalities of that, first of all, and second of all, committing yourself without seeing a shrink first isn't exactly very healthy.

Stop using Four Winds. In any other HR situation, Danny would be fired or suspended and a note would be put in Earl's file.


oh WOW! I've carried a banner in the past saying (based on my previous experience on this board!)

TENBATSUZEN is a CUNT!! You are! And I'm pushing aside FRED FROM BROOKLYN for this CUNT reference because YOU ARE!!! AND A DICK BESIDES!!! (congrats on having both sets of genitalia covered!:-) Nice little bonus for you DICKbatSQUEEZIN!!!:devil2:!...now to the truth...

F*CK YOU!!! Earl is a liar - sadly, it HAS been proven. Danny did NOTHING wrong and if Earl had 1 little fucking BRAZIL nut in his bad (NOT even asking for 2 balls) he would have exonerated him 1st THING! But he won't and he'll show up Monday saying..."No...no...I'm all here for you RON?:down:) Nothing less than BYE BYE EARL will suffice...

(and a THANK YOU from CaseyE would be nice because your stupid husband in NEXT....NEXT on the list (I miss j-dubs:king:)

[drusilla]

There is no reason why he should have any memory loss without the doctors being able to see head trauma. If he had no concussion but they thought for a second he might have head trauma, he should have been kept and looked after.



dude i feel like it looks like i'm picking on you, but again, i have to disagree. people faint all the time without knowing what the hell happened. you hate earl. we get it.


faking or not, everything he did seems to be pretty normal for someone in that predicament.

[drusilla]

oh WOW! I've carried a banner in the past saying (based on my previous experience on this board!)

TENBATSUZEN is a CUNT!! You are! And I'm pushing aside FRED FROM BROOKLYN for this CUNT reference because YOU ARE!!! AND A DICK BESIDES!!! (congrats on having both sets of genitalia covered!:-) Nice little bonus for you DICKbatSQUEEZIN!!!:devil2:!...now to the truth...

F*CK YOU!!! Earl is a liar - sadly, it HAS been proven. Danny did NOTHING wrong and if Earl had 1 little fucking BRAZIL nut in his bad (NOT even asking for 2 balls) he would have exonerated him 1st THING! But he won't and he'll show up Monday saying..."No...no...I'm all here for you RON?:down:) Nothing less than BYE BYE EARL will suffice...

(and a THANK YOU from CaseyE would be nice because your stupid husband in NEXT....NEXT on the list (I miss j-dubs:king:)


don't worry matty. at least you're not a snunt. that would be terrible.

[MavisBeacon]

snunt is my word!

[drusilla]

you are the original

[ecobag2]

oh WOW! I've carried a banner in the past saying (based on my previous experience on this board!)

TENBATSUZEN is a CUNT!! You are! And I'm pushing aside FRED FROM BROOKLYN for this CUNT reference because YOU ARE!!! AND A DICK BESIDES!!! (congrats on having both sets of genitalia covered!:-) Nice little bonus for you DICKbatSQUEEZIN!!!:devil2:!...now to the truth...

F*CK YOU!!! Earl is a liar - sadly, it HAS been proven. Danny did NOTHING wrong and if Earl had 1 little fucking BRAZIL nut in his bad (NOT even asking for 2 balls) he would have exonerated him 1st THING! But he won't and he'll show up Monday saying..."No...no...I'm all here for you RON?:down:) Nothing less than BYE BYE EARL will suffice...

(and a THANK YOU from CaseyE would be nice because your stupid husband in NEXT....NEXT on the list (I miss j-dubs:king:)

this post sucks.

[Slumbag]

this poster sucks.

Fixed it for you.

[Slumbag]

I doubt anything happens at all.

Well, by Sirius brass nothing will happen.
But I have a feeling, by order of Ronnie B, no more this.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51YFQZERB1L._SL500_AA280_.jpg

[ecobag2]

Fixed it for you.

Thanks - I'm trusting that's a safe bet.

[Reynolds]

this post sucks.

What's wrong? Not a fan of the overuse of capital letters, and dramatic punctuation? I think it makes posts all the more enjoyable. Illiterally literal candy.

[CruelCircus]

I would hope everyone would want Earl removed for going about it that way.

So you've proved my point. You're on his case about choking Dave, but you'd also be on his ass if he handled it the other way. See what I mean about him not getting a fair shake? Some people are just hating on Earl no matter what he does.

I think somebody drove to Louisville or Cincy recently with this sig pics:)

Both, actually! :thumbup:

[CruelCircus]

I have to jump in here and say that I would agree with you if Earl hadn't have lied. The reason Fez broke his bit is why Earl should be fired.

Before the EMTs even got there Opie talked to Earl, and at that point Earl knew what had happened. He said that they were talking about Fez and then it was a bit fuzzy.

Then when he got back the the studio he lied about not being able to remember what happened. Fez broke because he knew that Earl wasn't telling the truth. Fez was in the room with him and knew that Earl had talked to the guys and things looked like Earl was fine.

That's not what happened. Earl told O&A that he didn't remember what happened and the he was fuzzy. As I posted earlier, Fez was wrong about that particular point. And everyone who's basing their opinion of the situation on that needs to readjust, imo.

This is not about shit spray, or Danny takedown techniques. This is about Earl Douglas trying to disguise his fainting and having it look like Danny tried to slam him to the ground.

You're completely ignoring the fact that people saw him fall and hit his head, and hard enough to raise concern from people who don't normally give a shit. There were witnesses. Earl DIDN'T MAKE IT UP.

Can I also say, on a side note, that I don't know which generation I fall in, but I'm really unsure why it seems we're treating "Workplace As Thunderdome" as the right way to do things, and a safe working environment as "corporate" and therefore evil. Not sure that particular sentiment is universal.

[jimmyolsenblues]

i would like to know if earl grew up in queens how could he be so much of a pussy?
was earl a momma's boy who never left the kitchen growing up?

[Freitag]

wow, even 2009 Matty gets yelled at. I can't win.

[UDTSealCap]

I love Ron and Fez but if I were Earl I'd quit and sue Sirius XM for being a hostile work environment.
The day of the accident Opie and Jimmy knew he hit the ground hard as hell. They saw it and they admitted to it. Now, because Ant's buddy Danny's ass is on the line they twist it and now it never happenned.

I was actually shocked that Ron would sell out Earl to save Danny. Its so obvious that Danny flipped Earl. Hell, the second it happenned he was like I didn't lift his leg high enough, just like the little kid that says he didn't hit his sister hard enough for her to be really hurt.

But Hey... Its the O and A show. I'd expect them to attack the "nigger" to save the white guy. It just shocks me that Ron and Fez are so afraid of O and A that they'd go along with whatever O and A say. I wish Ronny would have listened to the show before attacking Earl.

Fuck em all Earl, Sue Sue Sue. Stop saying sorry and kissing their asses. They want to belittle you as much as they possibly can.

[mikeyboy]

oh WOW! I've carried a banner in the past saying (based on my previous experience on this board!)

TENBATSUZEN is a CUNT!! You are! And I'm pushing aside FRED FROM BROOKLYN for this CUNT reference because YOU ARE!!! AND A DICK BESIDES!!! (congrats on having both sets of genitalia covered!:-) Nice little bonus for you DICKbatSQUEEZIN!!!:devil2:!...now to the truth...

F*CK YOU!!! Earl is a liar - sadly, it HAS been proven. Danny did NOTHING wrong and if Earl had 1 little fucking BRAZIL nut in his bad (NOT even asking for 2 balls) he would have exonerated him 1st THING! But he won't and he'll show up Monday saying..."No...no...I'm all here for you RON?:down:) Nothing less than BYE BYE EARL will suffice...

(and a THANK YOU from CaseyE would be nice because your stupid husband in NEXT....NEXT on the list (I miss j-dubs:king:)

Knock it off.

[UDTSealCap]

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[underdog]

So you've proved my point. You're on his case about choking Dave, but you'd also be on his ass if he handled it the other way. See what I mean about him not getting a fair shake? Some people are just hating on Earl no matter what he does.

I'm not on his case for choking Dave. Its radio, I'm glad it was handled that way. It makes for funny listening. That's how it should be handled.

[conman823]

Wow, I never saw such bullying tactics in my life. Earl should have grown a set right there on air and flipped them all off and said "I'm gonna love getting Danny fired!". That would have been some "radio gold". What wasn't radio gold was Earl made to feel like he should RESIGN because he was attacked at work.
I understand these guys are worried about thier jobs and all that, but then they should have been YELLING AT DANNY! Oh but he sucks Ants left nut so nothing can happen to him.
I don't believe for a second that Jimmy was told he would be removed from his position. How can he be removed and not that glorified Intern Danny?
It was sickening, the whole thing. Oh and Opie said nobody wanted to defend Earl.........then why did Travis hang-up on me when I got through? Fuckin cowards.
Now we gotta hear it all over again at 12. Just pathetic.

[conman823]

I'm not on his case for choking Dave. Its radio, I'm glad it was handled that way. It makes for funny listening. That's how it should be handled.

There is a drastic difference between the two incidents.

CC is right, people just hate Earl because they have been conditioned too. Just like they were conditioned to love Dave.

[underdog]

There is a drastic difference between the two incidents.

CC is right, people just hate Earl because they have been conditioned too. Just like they were conditioned to love Dave.

There is a difference, Dave didn't pretend he was hurt and go to the hospital.

[conman823]

There is a difference, Dave didn't pretend he was hurt and go to the hospital.

Or maybe one was a bit and one wasn't.
Maybe everyone handles things differently.
Maybe alcohol was involved, maybe not.

[CountryBob]

I am in HR and from an HR standpoint - i would fire Danny immediately for the tackling of Earl. As a business, you cannot tolerate any physical horseplay that warrants an injury. Regardless of Earl's memory issues or the bullying of him to exonerate Danny, the main issue is the bahavior of Danny and his physical attack. He should be immediately escorted off the property. Now, if Earl should go it should be for performance issues - not because he was hurt (or possibly faking).

[Freitag]

I am in HR and from an HR standpoint - i would fire Danny immediately for the tackling of Earl. As a business, you cannot tolerate any physical horseplay that warrants an injury. Regardless of Earl's memory issues or the bullying of him to exonerate Danny, the main issue is the bahavior of Danny and his physical attack. He should be immediately escorted off the property. Now, if Earl should go it should be for performance issues - not because he was hurt (or possibly faking).

This is probably the best way the situation should be explained.

[TheO]

I am in HR and from an HR standpoint - i would fire Danny immediately for the tackling of Earl. As a business, you cannot tolerate any physical horseplay that warrants an injury. Regardless of Earl's memory issues or the bullying of him to exonerate Danny, the main issue is the bahavior of Danny and his physical attack. He should be immediately escorted off the property. Now, if Earl should go it should be for performance issues - not because he was hurt (or possibly faking).

it's unfortunate, but true.

[conman823]

I am in HR and from an HR standpoint - i would fire Danny immediately for the tackling of Earl. As a business, you cannot tolerate any physical horseplay that warrants an injury. Regardless of Earl's memory issues or the bullying of him to exonerate Danny, the main issue is the bahavior of Danny and his physical attack. He should be immediately escorted off the property. Now, if Earl should go it should be for performance issues - not because he was hurt (or possibly faking).

Yep, couldn't agree more. I was horrifed how Earl was forced to take the blame, while Danny and Anthony gloated, and nothing was mentioned about Danny's behavior.

[SLCRagu]

As a business, you cannot tolerate any physical horseplay that warrants an injury.(or possibly faking).

I wouldn't categorize this so much as "horseplay" but more as "monkey-business" or "tomfoolery". Both of which are shenanigans more tolerated in the workplace.

[Serpico1103]

I am in HR and from an HR standpoint - i would fire Danny immediately for the tackling of Earl. As a business, you cannot tolerate any physical horseplay that warrants an injury. Regardless of Earl's memory issues or the bullying of him to exonerate Danny, the main issue is the bahavior of Danny and his physical attack. He should be immediately escorted off the property. Now, if Earl should go it should be for performance issues - not because he was hurt (or possibly faking).

Fine. Then fire Earl also. For the several times he ran in from a different room to choke ESD for making jokes about Earl's grandmother.
I didn't see Danny's "tackle", so I am not sure it was even a tackle. But, Earl did choke ESD.
FIRE EARL!

[WhateverMJ]

This should have never happened, but only because Earl should have been fired months ago for never contributing a single thing to the show whatsoever other than being a punchline punching bag.

Aside from Ronnie B or Dave getting a line off about Earl, has Earl EVER cracked a microphone and said something remotely interesting, smart, or funny?

If it's not an obscure fact about some supergroup from the 70's, it's some retardedly hypocritical stance on the black man's plight, or if we're really lucky, some of his childish religious values, espoused with all the grace and intelligence of that low watt gurgler singing O-Mazing Grace on YouTube.

Danny didn't do anything wrong, he didn't body slam Earl, he didn't set up the Tommy Dreamer DDT on a metal chair, the crazy goldbricker got too much Liquid Ass up his nose, "fainted" and knocked his head on the ground. The fact that he can't stutter through a decent enough mea culpa to get the boys and buddies out of harm's way proves that he's not a team player, and is, in fact, a god damned poisonous radio cancer that destroys all semblance of funny once he opens his stupid mouth.

It has nothing to do with him being black, it has all to do with him being incompetent, boring on the radio, completely unfunny, and from all accounts of Fez and Ron, unable to run a radio show despite having 20 years in the business.

Fire Earl, make Daniel J. Ross the R&F EP. Yay.