Ambien: The Devil in the 12.5 mg dress

[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

I've been having trouble sleeping lately. I get home from work around 11:30pm (sometimes later) but I'm often tossing and turning until 7am. I was taking Tylenol PM (per my shrink's advice) but it doesn't work well anymore. Once I fall asleep (say, 6 am, I wake up every hour until I have to get up for work).

I told my shrink this and he prescribed 12.5 mg of Ambien. I took my first one last night. FIRST OF ALL, I woke up around 2pm and really woozy! PLUS I couldn't find my glasses AND I had two minor and not-so-obvious bumps on temple and forehead. I have NO MEMORY of getting up during the night, let alone bumping my head.

Is Lunesta better? Is there another med that will help me sleep? I'd like to fall asleep around 2am and wake up around 10am so I can get things done before I have to be at work at 3pm.

(I found my glasses when I got home tonight. They were in the kitchen with a lense popped out. All's good!!!)

[PapaBear]

Isn't Ambien the one that can cause some people to go driving and shit while they're asleep?

[Knowledged_one]

I sometimes get the doped feeling and the vague memory recalls of waking in the middle of the night and killing a coke but that went away. You could ask for the ambien cr and 12.5 seems high i am a big guy and i only take the 10 mg you might ask for a lower dose that could help the wooziness

[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

Isn't Ambien the one that can cause some people to go driving and shit while they're asleep?

Yes, but the fact that I live in an urban area COMPLETELY overrides my desire to lose my parking space.

[keithy_19]

I don't know many of the side effects of Ambien, though I have heard that you have a good chance of being groggy in the morning. Granted, everyone is different and it will that effect on some people.

When I worked at a pharmacy in the fall, I remember filling a lot of prescriptions for Ambien. Lunestra not so much.

[Leticia]

12.5 seems very high. I took ambien before and it never worked for me. I still woke up during the night and in the morning was still very groggy and sleepy.

Even when I take over the counter sleeping aides they still make me wake up during the night. Sometimes I'll go to sleep at 12 and wake up at 4am and not be able to go back to sleep at all.

I feel like most drugs for sleeping are like this. Unless you're a heavy sleeper, they aren't gonna do much for you in the long run. You'll have to keep getting stronger doses after you get used to them and it'll be an ugly dependency.

I am of course, very inexperienced on the actual effect of sleeping pills besides my own experiences.
I wish there was a non drug way for someone who has A LOT of trouble sleeping to be able to have a good night's rest.

[BronxJohnny]

Its a mix of grape kool aid and nyquil knocks folks right out I'M not a doctor i just play one on the message board. Seriously though try something other then pills, go see an herbalist to see if they cant hook you up with some tea's.

[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

One more question about Ambien-- can I take 1/2 of a 12.5 mg pill? I went on the generic of Cellexa and I had a biit of heart palpitations from it. I talked to my pharmacist and told him I was cutting them in half until I got used to the med. He mentioned--and [PLEASE] forgive my ignorance-- that buy cutting the generic Celexa in half, I was most likely "inhibiting the 'delivery system' to the body." I took that as the coating would be affected.

I will check with my doctor. I'm not taking the 12.5 mg Ambien until I hear back from my shrink.

THANKS DR. Steve!!! You ROCK!

PS-- the cranberry supplements are working very well, although I still take a slightly higher dose per my doctor. :thumbup:

[MisterSmith]

For some reason I am virtually immune to sleeping meds. I have tried Ambien, Cellexa, Lunesta, and other stuff yet none of it seems to work. Occasionally it will help me get to sleep, but not stay asleep.

The biggest "problem" I have heard about RE: Lunesta is having a bad taste in your mouth. My wife took some and complained tremendously about a horrible, metallic taste. I never noticed it, but then again, it doesn't really work for me anyway.


PS-- the cranberry supplements are working very well, although I still take a slightly higher dose per my doctor. :thumbup:

Can you give me any info about what Cranberry supplements you are taking? I could use a little nudge for sleeping most nights and a natural, non-habit forming option would be nice.

[Dr Steve]

I've been having trouble sleeping lately. I get home from work around 11:30pm (sometimes later) but I'm often tossing and turning until 7am. I was taking Tylenol PM (per my shrink's advice) but it doesn't work well anymore. Once I fall asleep (say, 6 am, I wake up every hour until I have to get up for work).

I told my shrink this and he prescribed 12.5 mg of Ambien. I took my first one last night. FIRST OF ALL, I woke up around 2pm and really woozy! PLUS I couldn't find my glasses AND I had two minor and not-so-obvious bumps on temple and forehead. I have NO MEMORY of getting up during the night, let alone bumping my head.

Is Lunesta better? Is there another med that will help me sleep? I'd like to fall asleep around 2am and wake up around 10am so I can get things done before I have to be at work at 3pm.

(I found my glasses when I got home tonight. They were in the kitchen with a lense popped out. All's good!!!)

First off, you're taking Ambien CR; it's a proprietary pill that has two layers...one that's released immediately, and one that's released during the night.

My personal opinion of this is that the makers of Ambien simply wanted to extend their patent on the drug. Before Ambien CR came out, they used to argue that plain ambien (just the single layer pill) had the "perfect dosing curve". Now all of a sudden, the CR is better. Whatever.

If you cut the Ambien CR in half, you'll get the whole dose all at once. This would be just like taking a "normal" Ambien 6.25mg tablet. I can't advocate this, but it makes sense that it wouldn't be any worse than that. I'm with you, though, if you think you were wandering around bumping your head into things while on Ambien, I wouldn't continue to take it at any dose.

There are other things out there, and indeed, Lunesta is one of them. It's a cousin of Ambien, and is approved for long term use. Both lunesta and ambien are habit forming, if taken daily.

This brings us to Melatonin; a lot of studies have been done on this stuff, and it appears to be safe and effective without the hangovers and stuff (because it's not a "hypnotic"...it works by resetting the internal sleep clock mechanism). However, melatonin IS a hormone to the brain, and it's secreted by the pineal gland. Never heard of it? That's because no one really knows what the hell it does. This is the only thing that skeeves me out about melatonin...people are taking it by the ton worldwide and no one is totally sure what other effects it may be having, because no one really understands it. On the other hand, study after study finds very few concerns with its use for mild sleep disorders. So there you go.

I'm probably just a chicken little when it comes to this stuff. Here's an article from the medical literature on melatonin (emphases added):

Expert Opin Investig Drugs. 2008 Oct;17(10):1567-72.

Prolonged-release melatonin for the treatment of insomnia in patients over 55
years.

Wade A, Downie S.

CPS Research, 3 Todd Campus, West of Scotland Science Park, Glasgow, G20 0KA,
Scotland. alangwade@fastmail.fm

BACKGROUND: Clinical data show that poor quality, rather than quantity, of sleep
corresponds negatively to measures of health, well-being and satisfaction with
life. However, until now treatment of insomnia has primarily targeted quantity of
sleep. PR (prolonged release)-melatonin offers a new treatment option in
insomnia. OBJECTIVES: To provide an overview of PR-melatonin, the first melatonin
receptor agonist to be granted marketing authorisation in Europe as monotherapy
for the treatment of primary insomnia in patients aged > 55 years. METHODS:
Review data published in peer review journals and the EMEA (European Medicines
Agency) website. RESULTS/CONCLUSION: PR-melatonin significantly improves morning
alertness and quality of sleep compared with placebo. There are no safety
concerns.

[~Katja~]

First off, you're taking Ambien CR; it's a proprietary pill that has two layers...one that's released immediately, and one that's released during the night.

My personal opinion of this is that the makers of Ambien simply wanted to extend their patent on the drug. Before Ambien CR came out, they used to argue that plain ambien (just the single layer pill) had the "perfect dosing curve". Now all of a sudden, the CR is better. Whatever.

If you cut the Ambien CR in half, you'll get the whole dose all at once. This would be just like taking a "normal" Ambien 6.25mg tablet. I can't advocate this, but it makes sense that it wouldn't be any worse than that. I'm with you, though, if you think you were wandering around bumping your head into things while on Ambien, I wouldn't continue to take it at any dose.

There are other things out there, and indeed, Lunesta is one of them. It's a cousin of Ambien, and is approved for long term use. Both lunesta and ambien are habit forming, if taken daily.

This brings us to Melatonin; a lot of studies have been done on this stuff, and it appears to be safe and effective without the hangovers and stuff (because it's not a "hypnotic"...it works by resetting the internal sleep clock mechanism). However, melatonin IS a hormone to the brain, and it's secreted by the pineal gland. Never heard of it? That's because no one really knows what the hell it does. This is the only thing that skeeves me out about melatonin...people are taking it by the ton worldwide and no one is totally sure what other effects it may be having, because no one really understands it. On the other hand, study after study finds very few concerns with its use for mild sleep disorders. So there you go.

I'm probably just a chicken little when it comes to this stuff. Here's an article from the medical literature on melatonin (emphases added):

Expert Opin Investig Drugs. 2008 Oct;17(10):1567-72.

Prolonged-release melatonin for the treatment of insomnia in patients over 55
years.

Wade A, Downie S.

CPS Research, 3 Todd Campus, West of Scotland Science Park, Glasgow, G20 0KA,
Scotland. alangwade@fastmail.fm

BACKGROUND: Clinical data show that poor quality, rather than quantity, of sleep
corresponds negatively to measures of health, well-being and satisfaction with
life. However, until now treatment of insomnia has primarily targeted quantity of
sleep. PR (prolonged release)-melatonin offers a new treatment option in
insomnia. OBJECTIVES: To provide an overview of PR-melatonin, the first melatonin
receptor agonist to be granted marketing authorisation in Europe as monotherapy
for the treatment of primary insomnia in patients aged > 55 years. METHODS:
Review data published in peer review journals and the EMEA (European Medicines
Agency) website. RESULTS/CONCLUSION: PR-melatonin significantly improves morning
alertness and quality of sleep compared with placebo. There are no safety
concerns.



how are the layers built on ambien? if you cut it in half wouldn't you just get half he dosage in both layers? You would still have the prolonged "controlled" effect from the second layer, just at a lesser dosage.

[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

If you cut the Ambien CR in half, you'll get the whole dose all at once. This would be just like taking a "normal" Ambien 6.25mg tablet. I can't advocate this,

THANK YOU DR. STEVE!!!! I'll call my doctor. I'll explain what happened and perhaps he'll prescribe a lower dose. I'll also ask about pill cutting just so I know what I can and cannot do.

DR. STEVE, YOU ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!

[MisterSmith]

how are the layers built on ambien? if you cut it in half wouldn't you just get half he dosage in both layers? You would still have the prolonged "controlled" effect from the second layer, just at a lesser dosage.

No, because by cutting the pill in half you expose the middle of the pill. The timed release works based on how the pill dissolves in your stomach/digestive system. The outer layers protect the inner layer and dissolve at different rates, thus allowing the meds to release at a timed interval.

Cutting the pill in half destroys that effect and allows the medicine to dissolve all at once.

***Think of a Tootsie Pop with the lollipop on the outside and Tootsie Roll in the center. If you bite through you get all at once - it you suck on the lollipop it eventually dissolves and you get to the Tootsie Roll. The lollipop gives you candy enjoyment but also "protects" the Tootsie Roll so you can get that enjoyment later. Same with the different layers of Ambien (and other drugs); the layers dissolve differently and release different levels of meds incrementally.

[~Katja~]

No, because by cutting the pill in half you expose the middle of the pill. The timed release works based on how the pill dissolves in your stomach/digestive system. The outer layers protect the inner layer and dissolve at different rates, thus allowing the meds to release at a timed interval.

Cutting the pill in half destroys that effect and allows the medicine to dissolve all at once.

that's why I asked how the pill was layered. Some pills are constructed to not be cut- or grind able to prevent substance abuse.
Even if the outer layer would have a quicker solvable solution the inner still would not dissolve but only release over time.

[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

Can you give me any info about what Cranberry supplements you are taking? I could use a little nudge for sleeping most nights and a natural, non-habit forming option would be nice.

The cranberry isn't for sleeping. It's for UTIs (http://kidney.niddk.nih.gov/Kudiseases/pubs/utiadult/).

I'm embarrassed by it and my doctor doesn't know what causes it. She said it's most likely hormonal imbalances since I hit my 40s.

I AM NOT DIRTY! It JUST happens and it's a NEW thing I have to deal with. UGGH.

[Caseyelan]

I just took some of this medicine and I am laughing at how I am almost tripping. I just "shoo'd" away a swarm of flies from my eyebrows.

This sentence has taken at least 4 mins to type.


lets go mets.

wooooooooooooogjkds

[hammersavage]

I just took some of this medicine and I am laughing at how I am almost tripping. I just "shoo'd" away a swarm of flies from my eyebrows.

This sentence has taken at least 4 mins to type.


lets go mets.

wooooooooooooogjkds

Be glad you were indisposed for last nights game, you would have thought that abomination was a hallucination.

[Gvac]

lets go mets.

Wow.

She really is stoned.

[mikeyboy]

I just took some of this medicine and I am laughing at how I am almost tripping. I just "shoo'd" away a swarm of flies from my eyebrows.

This sentence has taken at least 4 mins to type.


lets go mets.

wooooooooooooogjkds

Remember.

The baby isn't a turkey.

[Death Metal Moe]

I just took some of this medicine and I am laughing at how I am almost tripping. I just "shoo'd" away a swarm of flies from my eyebrows.

This sentence has taken at least 4 mins to type.


lets go mets.

wooooooooooooogjkds

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"fhwgwgads?"

[hammersavage]

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff278/skaterdude109x/trippy.jpg

[Caseyelan]

dave wnet home and I am scared i will fall into the toilet.

when does this get less trippy and more "sleepy"












?:king:

[Death Metal Moe]

http://johnhughes.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/waldo1.jpg

[hammersavage]

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/yloh/trippy.jpg

[Death Metal Moe]

dave wnet home and I am scared i will fall into the toilet.

when does this get less trippy and more "sleepy"












?:king:

When your lungs fill with toilet water?

I keed, I keed. Just mix it with alcohol, I'm sure that's safe.

[hammersavage]

dave wnet home and I am scared i will fall into the toilet.

when does this get less trippy and more "sleepy"












?:king:

Do not look at your own avatar.

[jauble]

check out melatonin as well. You can buy it at your local pharmacy cheap. I dont take it daily, but with some valerian mixed in I take it twice a week.

[hammersavage]

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[falcon95]

vicodin 10/325 will knock u on ur ass i recomend them highly:smoke:

[hedges]

I used to take ambien and I would sometimes get up in the middle of the night in a semi-concious dream-state and shuffle around my apartment in the dark, bumping into things, bumping my head on the wall, not knowing where doorways went or where they were. One time I walked over to my bookcase, grabbed about two feet of books and then set them down on the other side of the room. I don't take ambien anymore.

[PapaBear]

I have a lady friend who sends me text messages when she's on Ambien. The texts are very difficult to decipher, but they are always of an extreme sexual nature. She often talks about doing things with me that she normally wouldn't do with ANYONE. Though we've had an on and off sexual relationship for around 9 years, I still feel that driving over to her house at these times, would be a form of rape. I just humor her, then ask her how much she remembers the next day. She remembers very little of it.

[Caseyelan]

I just woke up and had to "sober up" for a good 20 mins.

Sobering up included:

Shaking head vigorously.
Rubbing eyes.
Picking up soda bottles from the floor (where did they come from?)
Washing hands from having dried sticky dr pepper smell on them.
Folding all the towels I used to make a "towel moat" around my hospital bed, I believe my logic here was that any soda (a liquid), should not touch an electric bed.
Someone drew happy faces on the dry erase board in the room then made the letter "J" in Joyce look like a snake with its tongue out. CLEANED THAT UP REAL QUICK!
Found my slipper socks in the sink.
Found my Purell dispenser off the wall and oddly in my suitcase... (was I trying to steal that? Where would I have MOUNTED a steel hand sanitizer?)

Wow. That ambien shit IS NOT for me.




or










maybe it is but, under heavy supervision.

[~Katja~]

wow casey, how much did they give you?
It sure sounds like a special trip, I am surprised the nurses did not come in and wondered what was up...lol

[Farthammer]

I have horrible Insomnia. Not only does it take FOREVER for me to fall asleep, I am a super light sleeper.

I haven't been to the doctor for it but I feel I might make an apt soon.

Is Melatonin available without prescription?

[Chigworthy]

I have a lady friend who sends me text messages when she's on Ambien. The texts are very difficult to decipher, but they are always of an extreme sexual nature. She often talks about doing things with me that she normally wouldn't do with ANYONE. Though we've had an on and off sexual relationship for around 9 years, I still feel that driving over to her house at these times, would be a form of rape. I just humor her, then ask her how much she remembers the next day. She remembers very little of it.


What a rookie.

[jauble]

I have horrible Insomnia. Not only does it take FOREVER for me to fall asleep, I am a super light sleeper.

I haven't been to the doctor for it but I feel I might make an apt soon.

Is Melatonin available without prescription?

Any place that sells vitamins. This is not a drug, but it is a synthetic version of a hormone that you produce. Keep in mind that it should not be taken daily but it is FUCKING GREAT. I find that if I take it about twice a week it keeps the sleep regulated for the most part (I obviously did not take it tonight).

[boosterp]

Damn, i love my 300-400 mg of trazadone (an anti-depressant that the side effect is drowsiness) even more. I remember talking to Ms. Fuzzybutt about this and I appreciate what my shrink gave me 3 years ago more.

[keithy_19]

check out melatonin as well. You can buy it at your local pharmacy cheap. I dont take it daily, but with some valerian mixed in I take it twice a week.

I have a terrible time falling asleep and was interested in melatonin. If you have an auto-immune disease you shouldn't take it though. At least says the bottle of it I have. MS is a an auto-immune disease, so I haven't taken it. Granted when I did it didn't have any negative consequences.

[~Katja~]

I have horrible Insomnia. Not only does it take FOREVER for me to fall asleep, I am a super light sleeper.

I haven't been to the doctor for it but I feel I might make an apt soon.

Is Melatonin available without prescription?

it is, I would always look into non prescription ways first. Being medicated is such a big problem in the US and it makes me very angry.
Also look into natural treatments like this http://www.similasanusa.com/products-sleeplessness-relief.cfm

Whatever you use, it should be a temporary solution just to get your body back to normal and being able to do what it is supposed to do on it's own.

[PapaBear]

I have a lady friend who sends me text messages when she's on Ambien. The texts are very difficult to decipher, but they are always of an extreme sexual nature. She often talks about doing things with me that she normally wouldn't do with ANYONE. Though we've had an on and off sexual relationship for around 9 years, I still feel that driving over to her house at these times, would be a form of rape. I just humor her, then ask her how much she remembers the next day. She remembers very little of it.
I've since let this girl know that I don't want her in my life anymore. But I got some more Ambien texts from her tonight (which I ignored). Here's the last one she sent...

Dhxhxu 7iwwhat sbsr r nzow fnd iw a nt u 2 bd rrokc my wojburld i want u

[FatassTitePants]

check out melatonin as well. You can buy it at your local pharmacy cheap. I dont take it daily, but with some valerian mixed in I take it twice a week.

I used to travel across time zones quite a bit so I started taking melatonin to help straighten out my sleeping patterns. Almost as soon as I started it, I began to have the most vivid and horrific nightmares of my life and they felt like they lasted all night long. I would wake up clutching my sheets from them. I stopped taking it and the nightmares ceased. I will NEVER touch that stuff again. I would rather be a sleep-deprived zombie.

[jauble]

I used to travel across time zones quite a bit so I started taking melatonin to help straighten out my sleeping patterns. Almost as soon as I started it, I began to have the most vivid and horrific nightmares of my life and they felt like they lasted all night long. I would wake up clutching my sheets from them. I stopped taking it and the nightmares ceased. I will NEVER touch that stuff again. I would rather be a sleep-deprived zombie.

You are the first person that I have heard that from. I personally have had great dreams when I do take it.

[led37zep]

You are the first person that I have heard that from. I personally have had great dreams when I do take it.

I have extremely vivid dreams when I take it as well, never any nightmares. I did sleep better tho.

[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

I stopped taking the ambien when I found the inside bag of cornstarch on my kitchen counter but the box in the cupboard. AND I had a bump on the same place on my forehead.

Now I take 25 mg of Seroquel. THAT knocks me on my ass. I'm hungover the next day. My PCP says I take too many meds and I should just practice "good sleep hygiene." I'll NEVER get to sleep!!!!

[jauble]

I stopped taking the ambien when I found the inside bag of cornstarch on my kitchen counter but the box in the cupboard. AND I had a bump on the same place on my forehead.

Now I take 25 mg of Seroquel. THAT knocks me on my ass. I'm hungover the next day. My PCP says I take too many meds and I should just practice "good sleep hygiene." I'll NEVER get to sleep!!!!

Chew some valerian root

[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

Chew some valerian root

hippy freak! :laugh:

[Mr.Misery]

Man, you guys are lightweights. I've been taking Ambien, every night, for the past 3 or 4 years. It makes you do nutty things. Like wander out of the hospital where your parents took you when they noticed you were acting drunk, then spending the rest of the night sleeping in a ditch by the freeway (true story). Or, it makes you post weird and annoying things on RonFez.net, rambling about Lee Von Helm and other nonsense.

It's 4am. I'm all hopped up on goofballs...

[TooLowBrow]

Man, you guys are lightweights. I've been taking Ambien, every night, for the past 3 or 4 years. It makes you do nutty things. Like wander out of the hospital where your parents took you when they noticed you were acting drunk, then spending the rest of the night sleeping in a ditch by the freeway (true story). Or, it makes you post weird and annoying things on RonFez.net, rambling about Lee Von Helm and other nonsense.

It's 4am. I'm all hopped up on goofballs...

i love 'board character becomes real and breaks down' post

[Mr.Misery]

...oh, yeah...Ambien-dialing and Ambien-e-mails are far worse than drunk-dialing. I've got to the point where I can pretty much control it, unless I go real nuts and take a handful, which I am sometimes want to do. But Seroquel's far worse in the long run...it's an anti-psychotic drug, so if you have aggressive or irritable tendencies, it helps, but if you're using it for sleep then you're just going to become all numbed-out, like a zombie. It's a difficult trade-off. But don't even think about taking Adderall to counter the sluggishness you get from Seroquel...now you're just treating the side-effects of other drugs you're taking, and that's no way to live. Adderall is legal speed. It's fun at first--you feel like Superman--but then the constant up-and-down (especially if you're actually on downs, like Ambien or Xanax to help with sleep or anxiety) will drive you to the brink of insanity. Stay away from Xanax, too. If you do need something for anxiety, go with a longer acting benzodiazepene like Klonopin. Addiction to and withdrawal from Xanax is hell on earth, believe you me. The period of withdrawal is more protracted than that of any other drug, including heroin, and it's one of the few drugs (like alcohol) whose withdrawal effects can actually induce seizure and cause death. If you really want to get high, as Ron Bennington would say, get some nice heroin for yourself. At least have fun before you have to deal with the consequences.

[Mr.Misery]

i love 'board character becomes real and breaks down' post

Hey, I've been breaking down now for a good four years. That was no 'character' who went on and on about Lee Von Helm.

[Mr.Misery]

Which reminds me......
LEE VON HELM!

SO, WHO IS THE BIG MAN NOW?

[Marc with a c]

I have searched medsheaven.com for ambien because of my insomnia.I try ambien,and it works amazingly.Although it have side effects that can only occur when you use it too much.And you will be addicted to it.So be careful taking ambien for medication.

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[PapaBear]

Sleep medicine oriented spam would be more effective, if it wasn't posted in the middle of the night. Just sayin...

[PapaBear]

TALK ABOUT SPAM!!! NOW THEY ARE USING PRIVATE MESSAGES!!

Dear PapaBear,

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Granted, I do experience some of the negative side effects, such as euphoria and memory loss, but these have been bearable so far. Your doctor may occasionally change your dose to make sure you get the best results from this medication. Upon trying Ambien I have found that I can now enjoy a regular sleep schedule when I want to. Thanks to this great product and to medsheaven.com for excellent service.

[Chigworthy]

More like Maryann Skintag.

[A.J.]

TALK ABOUT SPAM!!! NOW THEY ARE USING PRIVATE MESSAGES!!



Yeah, not no more they ain't.

[Chigworthy]

Yeah, not no more they ain't.

The Skintag joke scared 'em off, didn't it?

[A.J.]

The Skintag joke scared 'em off, didn't it?

It gave ME the heebie-jeebies.

[A.J.]

I'm locking this thread since it keeps getting bumped by the spammers.

[sailor]

I'm locking this thread since it keeps getting bumped by the spammers.

Were they at least on topic?