Global warming -- now irreversible

[Syd]

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/20090126_climate.html

WASHINGTON — Many damaging effects of climate change are already basically irreversible, a team of international researchers declared Monday, warning that even if carbon emissions can somehow be halted temperatures around the globe will remain high until at least the year 3000.

"People have imagined that if we stopped emitting carbon dioxide the climate would go back to normal in 100 years, 200 years; that's not true," climate researcher Susan Solomon said in a teleconference.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=36699

http://www.mwcc.mass.edu/renewable/images/arctic-sea-ice-decline.gif

It's been a fun ride, civilization of excess. You won't be missed.

[ToiletCrusher]

Global warming my ass. It's probably just milhouse.


But seriously, that is some interesting stuff.

[epo]

The big mistake the global warming scientists have made was the way they framed it. The argument should have been based upon CO2 emissions (cause) and not the temperature (effect).

Their opponents would have a much harder time arguing that CO2 is on the rise....as that is not cyclical.

[nate1000]

Damn You Al Gore!!!!

Can't you just leave us alone?

[Syd]

The big mistake the global warming scientists have made was the way they framed it. The argument should have been based upon CO2 emissions (cause) and not the temperature (effect).

Their opponents would have a much harder time arguing that CO2 is on the rise....as that is not cyclical.

Yeah, they lost the PR campaign big time. Now people in the south are going to run into nearly year-round water shortages in the next 2-3 decades. Georgia and Arizona will be the absolute worst off. They're already being slowly crippled by water shortages now. However, they're in luck when the sea level begins to rise. They'll have plenty of water then!

[TheMojoPin]

Global warming?!?

Look how cold it's been!

WHACKETTY-SCHMACKETTY-DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

[led37zep]

Global warming my ass. It's probably just milhouse.


You earned a Gold Star today my friend.

[Aggie]

Now I can stop recycling! WHEEEEEEEE

[epo]

Yeah, they lost the PR campaign big time. Now people in the south are going to run into nearly year-round water shortages in the next 2-3 decades. Georgia and Arizona will be the absolute worst off. They're already being slowly crippled by water shortages now. However, they're in luck when the sea level begins to rise. They'll have plenty of water then!

Seriously what is so hard about this kind of a PR campaign?

350/parts per million has been discovered as the "magical number" of CO2 pollution that the Earth can handle.
Going past that point causes these certain problems.
Currently we are at 385/parts per million.
It is our responsibility/long-term survival need to drop the number lower than 350.
Here is the shit we can do to fix this.

Honestly, PR isn't rocket science. I can't believe they fucked this one up so badly.

[Snoogans]

the climate returns to normal? How is it not normal now. Seems the same shit to me

[Enabler]

Who is responsible for positioning Global Warming as a "theory?" Im guessing it was the detractors but at some point issues like evolution and global warming must stop being presented as theories that can be argued.

[Snoogans]

I blame Indians and Chinese for all the bad shit Americans have done to the Earth

[El Mudo]

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/20090126_climate.html



http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=36699

http://www.mwcc.mass.edu/renewable/images/arctic-sea-ice-decline.gif

It's been a fun ride, civilization of excess. You won't be missed.



I can look right out the window and see NOAA!!

:bye: Hi NOAA!!

[TheMojoPin]

Who is responsible for positioning Global Warming as a "theory?" Im guessing it was the detractors but at some point issues like evolution and global warming must stop being presented as theories that can be argued.

All scientific theories always remain theories. Hence the "theory of gravity" and the "theory of relativity" and so on and so forth. Scientific theories can aways be argued. They're never 100% proven.

[Syd]

Things can be proven to exist, its the details that are sometimes obfuscated.

[Furtherman]

Global Warming chased Waddles back here.

[TheMojoPin]

Things can be proven to exist, its the details that are sometimes obfuscated.

But we're not talking about "things," we're talking about scientific theories...that's why they're called "theories." They're always up to be contested and can't ever be totally proven. The key is how well they stand up to the scientific method, which this one does.

[Gvac]

There's a strong movement afoot to stop referring to our planet's temperature fluctuation as Global Warming. The new buzz word is "climate change."

This is to cover their asses when we have ridiculously cold winters like the one we're experiencing now.

Also when we have cooler summers in a few years and lower overall global temps.

Or maybe they'll take credit for stabilizing the climate. Who knows?

I'm all for keeping the planet clean, but I think a lot of these lunatics are way off base with their doom and gloom predictions.

Man vs. Earth? I'm betting on Earth.

[TheMojoPin]

There's a strong movement afoot to stop referring to our planet's temperature fluctuation as Global Warming. The new buzz word is "climate change."

This is to cover their asses when we have ridiculously cold winters like the one we're experiencing now.

That's not why at all. It's because the "global warming" is leading to year-round climate change that effects us in a variety of ways weather-wise.

[Gvac]

That's not why at all. It's because the "global warming" is leading to year-round climate change that effects us in a variety of ways weather-wise.

Have you forgotten George Carlin already?

[Snoogans]

There's a strong movement afoot to stop referring to our planet's temperature fluctuation as Global Warming. The new buzz word is "climate change."

This is to cover their asses when we have ridiculously cold winters like the one we're experiencing now.

.

this hasnt been an abnormally cold winter. THIS HAPPENS IN THE NORTHEAST

[SP1!]

Yeah, they lost the PR campaign big time. Now people in the south are going to run into nearly year-round water shortages in the next 2-3 decades. Georgia and Arizona will be the absolute worst off. They're already being slowly crippled by water shortages now. However, they're in luck when the sea level begins to rise. They'll have plenty of water then!
Really? They lost the PR campaign? Every where we go there are products forced to regulate because of a perceived cause of warming.

Oh and FYI, we have not been crippled by water shortages, that is the media being alarmist and basically was only forcing the people to quit watering their lawns. The biggest problem georgia has is that they havent built new reservoirs in the past 30 years while the population has exploded from all the northerners moving down here for jobs. They are slowly trying to correct that problem but everything is being tied back in to environmental causes, they refuse to reduce the normal amount of water released from lanier because all the other places bitch about water fowl in downstream lakes(when its really about fishing tournaments) and the state of florida saying it will hurt where it dumps into the gulf.

Thats the main reservoir thats having issues, the second one, alatoona is fine but until they drop the bullshit impact to the environment they will continue to have shortages because of more people living in the area. The other option is to build another damn in north georgia but everyone seems to be fighting it, once again because it will adversely impact the environment.

Again, how have they lost the PR war?

[epo]

There's a strong movement afoot to stop referring to our planet's temperature fluctuation as Global Warming. The new buzz word is "climate change."

That's because "climate change" is the right term for the effect of the rise of CO2 levels.

Stop listening to Blowhard when he calls you.

[SonOfSmeagol]

I would bet on the earth, then the sun, in the long run. The climate is in continuous change - always either getting warmer or colder. In the big picture, life will continue in some form for a while anyway and if man fuck’s itself with accelerated sea level rising, who is to say we didn’t have it coming? If a couple of good natural volcano eruptions don’t cool us off soon, how about ginning up a nuclear winter or two? :laugh:

If 4.5 billion years of earth history is measured in proportion to a 24 hour time period, man has existed only within the last 5 seconds or so. Who the fuck are we anyway?

The end is near! (well, er , a few billion years from now at least). So sell that beach house now!

“the planet already has begun the long process of devolving into a burned-out cinder, eventually to be swallowed by the sun”

I read "The Life and Death of Planet Earth" a couple of years ago - a seriously fun book that puts man in his place.
http://www.washington.edu/newsroom/news/2003archive/01-03archive/k011303a.html

[Gvac]

That's because "climate change" is the right term for the effect of the rise of CO2 levels.

Stop listening to Blowhard when he calls you.

Read a geology book!

Or better yet, SonOfSmeagol's post above mine.

[TheMojoPin]

Have you forgotten George Carlin already?

Oh, hell no. "Save the Earth" is, as others have pointed out, horrible PR. The Earth doesn't need saving...we do.

[K.C.]

Fuck it.

Bush had the right idea...let's just concentrate on Mars.

[Gvac]

Fuck it.

Bush had the right idea...let's just concentrate on Mars.

Don't you miss him so much?

[Syd]

All I can tell you is that Georgia is one of the more-examined states when looking at water shortages. The state is considered to be the canary in the coal mine since it suffers from sprawl, poor water conservation and limited natural resources.

All the hopes about tapping into existing ones are untenable, they're put with a more palatable response like "fishing tournaments" and "ecology" rather than "well it will only last XX years at current population" because everyone will just say "fuck you, got mine" and leech the shit out of the water there.

[SP1!]

I would bet on the earth, then the sun, in the long run. The climate is in continuous change - always either getting warmer or colder. In the big picture, life will continue in some form for a while anyway and if man fuck’s itself with accelerated sea level rising, who is to say we didn’t have it coming? If a couple of good natural volcano eruptions don’t cool us off soon, how about ginning up a nuclear winter or two? :laugh:

If 4.5 billion years of earth history is measured in proportion to a 24 hour time period, man has existed only within the last 5 seconds or so. Who the fuck are we anyway?

The end is near! (well, er , a few billion years from now at least). So sell that beach house now!

“the planet already has begun the long process of devolving into a burned-out cinder, eventually to be swallowed by the sun”

I read "The Life and Death of Planet Earth" a couple of years ago - a seriously fun book that puts man in his place.
http://www.washington.edu/newsroom/news/2003archive/01-03archive/k011303a.html
The arrogance of the human species knows no bounds, we think we can control everything.

I remember watching an old special about where all the theories for minotaurs, and gryphens came from, it was just where either animals died or where people were buried that led them to believe in those half beasts. These were the scientists of the day so people just believed them, whats amazing is that there were scientists out there laughing about how stupid they were but were completely oblivious to the fact that they may be the ones laughed at in a few thousand years.

[SP1!]

All I can tell you is that Georgia is one of the more-examined states when looking at water shortages. The state is considered to be the canary in the coal mine since it suffers from sprawl, poor water conservation and limited natural resources.

All the hopes about tapping into existing ones are untenable, they're put with a more palatable response like "fishing tournaments" and "ecology" rather than "well it will only last XX years at current population" because everyone will just say "fuck you, got mine" and leech the shit out of the water there.

You have no clue about the water supply here, the army corps of engineers release millions of gallons every day because of an agreement arbitrators forced on the state, problem is this is atlantas main source of water. If they wouldnt release that water every day there would be very little water shortage in the metro area.

There are other viable sources but the problem is environmentalists are trying to block any attempt to guild another damn or build more reservoirs.

[Yerdaddy]

Man vs Earth - Earth in a landslide.
6 billion men vs Earth's atmosphere retaining the ideal conditions for sustaining those 6 billion men - We'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when... But I'm sure we'll meet again some sunny day...

[Serpico1103]

I love people who say man is arrogant for thinking he can "destroy" the planet.
Arrogant, maybe, but he can nonetheless.
Would a nuclear wasteland be a devastated planet?
Would a planet covered by dead zone oceans be a devastated planet?
How about lakes and rivers so polluted you can't swim in them for years?
Or entire nations without clean drinking water?
We won't destroy the planet in the sense that it will cease to exist. We will destroy its ability to sustain us.

[Knowledged_one]

Oh mother nature needs a favor now huh. Well she shouldve thought of that when she was besetting us with plaques, famines and poison monkeys well i say hard cheese

[K.C.]

Don't you miss him so much?

I remember watching the 2000 election returns, and when the networks called it for Bush that night (before it was later shown he didn't win), I remember sitting there and thinking EXACTLY, verbatim:

"Hmm....well, come on, how bad could this really be."


Oh, the lessons I would I learn.

[FezsAssistant]

It would be impossible to reverse something that didn't happen.

It would also be impossible to counter the effects of the sun cycles.

Climate change is NO different than organized religion. Both are complete bullshit.

[Gvac]

It would be impossible to reverse something that didn't happen.

It would also be impossible to counter the effects of the sun cycles.

Climate change is NO different than organized religion. Both are complete bullshit.

I like the cut of your jib.

[epo]

I like the cut of your jib.

Ignoring science?

You really are mentally unstable.

[Serpico1103]

It would be impossible to reverse something that didn't happen.

It would also be impossible to counter the effects of the sun cycles.

Climate change is NO different than organized religion. Both are complete bullshit.

Wow, you push idiocy to before unknown limits.
There is no doubt the climate changes and is changing. FACT.
The only question is how much do we affect it, and how much can we protect the environment that we need to live.