Discussion on Suicide

[Tenbatsuzen]

To quote someone else from another board...

All people die. Some naturally, some hilariously.

She didn't post here, so... she's a random person who I didn't know who died.

[Tenbatsuzen]

my god that's sad...

i didn't know her very well.
but i am sad for her family... dealing with a suicide is just awful.
(if that is, indeed, what it was.)

ugh, really?

2008 Matty woulda had a field day.

[lleeder]

To quote someone else from another board...

All people die. Some naturally, some hilariously.

She didn't post here, so... she's a random person who I didn't know who died.

Why should I care about a quote someone else on another board said then?

I never met her but I feel bad she died.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Why should I care about a quote someone else on another board said then?

I never met her but I feel bad she died.

If she did in fact commit suicide and she was perfectly healthy, would you still feel bad?

(and no, I'm not being a dick with that... I was just putting it out there)

[Friday]

To quote someone else from another board...

All people die. Some naturally, some hilariously.

She didn't post here, so... she's a random person who I didn't know who died.

mmmkay...but why post it here?

didn't your mama teach you right? if you don't have anything nice to say... :nono:

[Tenbatsuzen]

which one is she?

give ya a hint. Which of those four people look like they would off themselves?

oh wait, flea's in there too. FUCK

[lleeder]

If she did in fact commit suicide and she was perfectly healthy, would you still feel bad?

(and no, I'm not being a dick with that... I was just putting it out there)

Sometimes mental problems can be more severe than physical ones. I'm not gonna pass judgement on someone I never met.

[Tenbatsuzen]

mmmkay...but why post it here?

didn't your mama teach you right? if you don't have anything nice to say... :nono:

Forgive me for not having sympathy for someone who allegedly died by their own hand.

[Friday]

If she did in fact commit suicide and she was perfectly healthy, would you still feel bad?

(and no, I'm not being a dick with that... I was just putting it out there)

but you Are being a dick.
please go back to FTBFBA if you want to bash the dead.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Sometimes mental problems can be more severe than physical ones. I'm not gonna pass judgement on someone I never met.

If she actually did kill herself, I find it easier to pass judgment on her. It's the same way I pass judgment on Kurt Cobain. It's quite easy. Cobain disgusts me for what he did and it's the same way I laugh at people when they talk about how deep and awesome Nirvana's music was.

I'm not a religious person, but I do consider myself to be spiritual. Life is one of the greatest gifts you have. Unless you're in a terminal situation where there is too much pain, there is never any excuse you can use to justify killing yourself.

[Tenbatsuzen]

but you Are being a dick.
please go back to FTBFBA if you want to bash the dead.

Again: she threw away her own life. So if she didn't respect herself, why should I?

[GreatAmericanZero]

To quote someone else from another board...

All people die. Some naturally, some hilariously.

She didn't post here, so... she's a random person who I didn't know who died.

the point is, she was a fan of R&F (she mustve been if she was at the GAP premiere) and her family and friends could read this thread. Instead of seeing nice stuff they see some fat asshole making a mockery of their tragedy

its like, if you died does the thought of your wife reading everyone goofing on you and laughing at your death give you comfort?

[Ritalin]

If she actually did kill herself, I find it easier to pass judgment on her. It's the same way I pass judgment on Kurt Cobain. It's quite easy. Cobain disgusts me for what he did and it's the same way I laugh at people when they talk about how deep and awesome Nirvana's music was.

I'm not a religious person, but I do consider myself to be spiritual. Life is one of the greatest gifts you have. Unless you're in a terminal situation where there is too much pain, there is never any excuse you can use to justify killing yourself.

What exactly does "I'm not a religious person, but I do consider myself to be spiritual" mean?

[Tenbatsuzen]

the point is, she was a fan of R&F (she mustve been if she was at the GAP premiere) and her family and friends could read this thread. Instead of seeing nice stuff they see some fat asshole making a mockery of their tragedy

its like, if you died does the thought of your wife reading everyone goofing on you and laughing at your death give you comfort?


If I committed suicide, I would fully expect to be mocked by people.

Suicide, to me, is different than things like cancer, a car accident, etc.

We are all fans of a show that engages in dark humor. And I go back to the initial point: if she couldn't celebrate her own life, why should anyone who doesn't know her?

[Foster]

the point is, she was a fan of R&F (she mustve been if she was at the GAP premiere) and her family and friends could read this thread. Instead of seeing nice stuff they see some fat asshole making a mockery of their tragedy

its like, if you died does the thought of your wife reading everyone goofing on you and laughing at your death give you comfort?

I agree,
if you don't care about her, at least show some respect for those who were hit hardest by her death

[Tenbatsuzen]

What exactly does "I'm not a religious person, but I do consider myself to be spiritual" mean?

I don't necessarily subscribe to doctrine and religion but I am capable of understanding that there's potential for a Higher Power.

[Friday]

well then, Matty, when you off yourself we will all celebrate in a fine show of mockery and criticism.

until then... try to rise above.
if you are, indeed a "spiritual person", you should be able to manage this.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I agree,
if you don't care about her, at least show some respect for those who were hit hardest by her death

I have a response to this. However, if I say it, half the board will flip the fuck out.

[midwestjeff]

she mustve been if she was at the GAP premiere

The curse of Gap claims another victim.

Why did you unleash this monster Paulo? WHY???

[GreatAmericanZero]

If I committed suicide, I would fully expect to be mocked by people.

Suicide, to me, is different than things like cancer, a car accident, etc.

We are all fans of a show that engages in dark humor. And I go back to the initial point: if she couldn't celebrate her own life, why should anyone who doesn't know her?

bullshit that argument only works if you were as funny as the radio shows that engage dark humor. Yet i don't hear of anyone who wants to hear you speak in a microphone for 3 hours a day. Cuz you arent an expert on comedy

all i care about his the devastated family and friends that are going to see this thread and then feel even worse about themselves because messageboard people are unnecessarily being assholes

but whatever...all i have to say is this. You are a larger man. You can die at any time..its true. Your wife reads this board. I hope your death thread is hilarious

[Tenbatsuzen]

And just to clarify one thing: If the person in question died in any other way outside of intentional suicide, I will ask Mikeyboy to delete all my responses in this thread. My opinions in this stem solely about suicide, which is something I am fiercely passionate about. (long story).

[GreatAmericanZero]

And just to clarify one thing: If the person in question died in any other way outside of intentional suicide, I will ask Mikeyboy to delete all my responses in this thread. My opinions in this stem solely about suicide, which is something I am fiercely passionate about. (long story).

then start your own thread about suicide. the family will probably never see that one

in the meantime, im going to start writing some great "Fatal Heart Attack" materiel

[Foster]

And just to clarify one thing: If the person in question died in any other way outside of intentional suicide, I will ask Mikeyboy to delete all my responses in this thread. My opinions in this stem solely about suicide, which is something I am fiercely passionate about. (long story).

most people have strong feelings on that subject, this just may not be the proper thread to voice them

[Tenbatsuzen]

bullshit that argument only works if you were as funny as the radio shows that engage dark humor. Yet i don't hear of anyone who wants to hear you speak in a microphone for 3 hours a day. Cuz you arent an expert on comedy

all i care about his the devastated family and friends that are going to see this thread and then feel even worse about themselves because messageboard people are unnecessarily being assholes

but whatever...all i have to say is this. You are a larger man. You can die at any time..its true. Your wife reads this board. I hope your death thread is hilarious

Gaz, I was expressing an opinion about suicide. If I die tomorrow you can be damn sure it won't be from me putting a gun to my head or putting a noose around my neck.

I have some very strong opinions about suicide, but to be honest... she's not a member here... so why would her friends and family come here?

[midwestjeff]

so why would her friends and family come here?

Just to meet Irish Alkey.

[Ritalin]

What exactly does "I'm not a religious person, but I do consider myself to be spiritual" mean?

I don't necessarily subscribe to doctrine and religion but I am capable of understanding that there's potential for a Higher Power.

That doesn't mean a thing.

Just a big deep crock of shit.

[Foster]

so why would her friends and family come here?

how do you know she doesn't have any friends here?

[disneyspy]

That doesn't mean a thing.

Just a big deep crock of shit.

i disagree, i go to a nondemoninational church every now and then cuz i dont like organized religions but i do belive there are powers that are greater than me

[Tenbatsuzen]

how do you know she doesn't have any friends here?

you want an honest answer?

[TooLowBrow]

And just to clarify one thing: If the person in question died in any other way outside of intentional suicide, I will ask Mikeyboy to delete all my responses in this thread. My opinions in this stem solely about suicide, which is something I am fiercely passionate about. (long story).

you may have a history with knowing suicides. that doesnt mean much to me as youve only witnessed it from the outside.

you dont know the pain that can drive a person to death. physical, mental, whatever. it seems to me, in this case at least, that the pain was too much to live through

[Tenbatsuzen]

i disagree, i go to a nondemoninational church every now and then cuz i dont like organized religions but i do belive there are powers that are greater than me

I'm kind of in the same boat. I grew up a Lutheran but I lost my faith after 9/11 after the pastor gave one of the worst sermons ever that actually made me feel worse after hearing it.

Since then, I'm not into the whole Christian - church thing but still understand there's potential for a higher being or higher consciousness. I'm not ready nor will I write off "God" or the idea of God.

[Tenbatsuzen]

you may have a history with knowing suicides. that doesnt mean much to me as youve only witnessed it from the outside.

you dont know the pain that can drive a person to death. physical, mental, whatever. it seems to me, in this case at least, that the pain was too much to live through

mmm. maybe not so much.

[Friday]

you want an honest answer?

just stop.
please.

this is not the place for your big comeback.
show some goddamn decorum.
your personal feelings don't matter here.
if you are feeling so passionate... like gaz said...start a thread elsewhere.

[Foster]

you want an honest answer?






Friday's right I done posting in this thread

[TooLowBrow]

mmm. maybe not so much.

my point is that youve never been inside the mind of a successful suicide.

[Ritalin]

i disagree, i go to a nondemoninational church every now and then cuz i dont like organized religions but i do belive there are powers that are greater than me

Hey cool, whatever. If believing that "that there are powers that are greater then me" makes you spiritual, then so be it.

But this definitely doesn't :I don't necessarily subscribe to doctrine and religion but I am capable of understanding that there's potential for a Higher Power.

That says "maybe yes, maybe not". What's "spiritual" about that? "I'm not religious but I am spiritual" means "I used to be Catholic".

[SinFiction]

my point is that youve never been inside the mind of a successful suicide.

Too bad he hasn't.

[Tenbatsuzen]

are you saying you haven't been honest up to this point?

I've been brutally honest. It's led to hurt feelings, which is par for the course.

But Badkitty's been dead since at least Wednesday. Now it's Sunday and just getting here, posted by someone who was questioning it. Which means that she didn't have enough friends here to bring it up and/or talk about it. And considering it's a suicide and we have threads here about shit the consistency of peanut butter, I'd say not one person cared to bring it up sooner.

[IamPixie]

This thread isn't a soapbox for you to pontificate your view on suicide. Shut the fuck up, Matty.

[Tenbatsuzen]

This thread isn't a soapbox for you to pontificate your view on suicide. Shut the fuck up, Matty.

Tenbatsuzen: Hey, can you do me a favor?
Tenbatsuzen: I'm gonna start a thread in that's Life about suicide
Tenbatsuzen: Can you split off the posts from the badkitty thread and merge them into the suicide thread?

I'm waiting for a mod to get back to me.

[TooLowBrow]

if i was dead id still like it if people mentioned me for up to a year after my death

[Ritalin]

This thread isn't a soapbox for you to pontificate your view on suicide. Shut the fuck up, Matty.

Hey, come on.

He can see how he can see himself as spiritual.

Isn't that enough?

[GreatAmericanZero]

Gaz, I was expressing an opinion about suicide. If I die tomorrow you can be damn sure it won't be from me putting a gun to my head or putting a noose around my neck.

I have some very strong opinions about suicide, but to be honest... she's not a member here... so why would her friends and family come here?

because we live in the year 2009 and her friends know shes an O&A/R&F fan (cuz its all over her myspace) and any one of them can go "they have messageboards, oh look they are talking about her on this messageboard"..its the easiest thing in the world

the fact that shes not a member of this board makes it worse. Because i know if i ever prematurely died, there will be people talking shit about me on this messageboard and my family will probably see it and it fills me with terror. But atleast i DID sign up for this. She didn't

also, the problem that most people have with suicide is that its an incredibly selfish act where the victims are the family and friends more than the actual person (who took the "easy way out" and left the people who cared about them behind). So, by you essentially pointing-and-laughing in the victims face is just so unnecessary.

And the biggest thing you should be ashamed about is using the "but we are fans of dark humor" messageboard cliche that everyone uses when something like this happens. You just needed to mention Lacy Peterson to complete the embarrassingly unoriginal thought process.

[Ritalin]

because we live in the year 2009 and her friends know shes an O&A/R&F fan (cuz its all over her myspace) and any one of them can go "they have messageboards, oh look they are talking about her on this messageboard"..its the easiest thing in the world

the fact that shes not a member of this board makes it worse. Because i know if i ever prematurely died, there will be people talking shit about me on this messageboard and my family will probably see it and it fills me with terror. But atleast i DID sign up for this. She didn't

also, the problem that most people have with suicide is that its an incredibly selfish act where the victims are the family and friends more than the actual person (who took the "easy way out" and left the people who cared about them behind). So, by you essentially pointing-and-laughing in the victims face is just so unnecessary.

And the biggest thing you should be ashamed about is using the "but we are fans of dark humor" messageboard cliche that everyone uses when something like this happens. You just needed to mention Lacy Peterson to complete the embarrassingly unoriginal thought process.

But, but, he's spiritual.

You know...spiritual.

[Tenbatsuzen]

because we live in the year 2009 and her friends know shes an O&A/R&F fan (cuz its all over her myspace) and any one of them can go "they have messageboards, oh look they are talking about her on this messageboard"..its the easiest thing in the world

the fact that shes not a member of this board makes it worse. Because i know if i ever prematurely died, there will be people talking shit about me on this messageboard and my family will probably see it and it fills me with terror. But atleast i DID sign up for this. She didn't



We've been pretty civil here. I can only imagine what's shaking at other sites.


also, the problem that most people have with suicide is that its an incredibly selfish act where the victims are the family and friends more than the actual person (who took the "easy way out" and left the people who cared about them behind). So, by you essentially pointing-and-laughing in the victims face is just so unnecessary.

Where am I pointing and laughing? Who is making jokes? I'm disgusted. In fact, I've made all of zero jokes in this thread. Pixie is right, I am pontificating. Not making jokes, though.



And the biggest thing you should be ashamed about is using the "but we are fans of dark humor" messageboard cliche that everyone uses when something like this happens. You just needed to mention Lacy Peterson to complete the embarrassingly unoriginal thought process.

We're having an open, honest conversation about suicide. At least, we're trying to. And it's been pretty civil. But to be honest, Gaz, if you're gonna get me on show refs, it's Budd Dwyer, not Lacy Peterson for this situation.

[Tenbatsuzen]

And Gaz, your whole thing of "people are dead, we shouldn't talk bad of them, especially HERE!" is really a page out of the MafiaLifeChris playbook. Are you saying there special rules in place for talking about people you don't know unless they are celebrities?

And yes, dark humor. This board talks shit about EVERYONE, be it everyman or celebrity. So rules are in place when someone knows someone else?

Fred started this thread at 11am this morning. Not a single person posted in it for 8 hours. get off your high horse. Special rules don't apply when the person is "part of the community".

[GreatAmericanZero]

Lacy Peterson is the cliche that is almost always used when people use the "dark humor" defense...it is used that often, your thought process is that unoriginal

and i already commented on it being a lame excuse a few posts above and i'm not typing the same thing again

[GreatAmericanZero]

btw, now that this thread is moved from the original..anything goes

people who commit suicide are weak selfish assholes and fuck 'em

[~Katja~]

btw, now that this thread is moved from the original..anything goes

people who commit suicide are weak selfish assholes and fuck 'em

1 out of 3

[Tenbatsuzen]

Now that it's out of the badkitty realm, midwest jeff had me fucking dying with his two lines.

[~Katja~]

maybe it shouldn't be in the That's Life forum considering the responses in here

[Tenbatsuzen]

maybe it shouldn't be in the That's Life forum considering the responses in here

Unfortunately, we don't have a "That's Death!" forum.

[Fallon]

maybe it shouldn't be in the That's Life forum considering the responses in here

You're right.

Unfortunately, we don't have a "That's Death!" forum.

That's hilarious.

[~Katja~]

Unfortunately, we don't have a "That's Death!" forum.

well it's moved now, so you may continue.

I have to agree with you on the point that she sadly did not seem to have too many close people in her life who cared enough, looking at the few comments on her myspace they are in disbelief some even question if it's real and I don't understand why the family or whoever is accessing her account posted the funeral hall and arrangements but did not even put a simple statement on her site as for how and when she passed.

[~Katja~]

Unfortunately, we don't have a "That's Death!" forum.

and maybe they will create a sub forum called "Morbid Humor"

[Tenbatsuzen]

and maybe they will create a sub forum called "Morbid Humor"

That would be offensive to Gaz.

And we don't want to piss him off, now do we?

[ecobag2]

Wow this post turned into a long one w/ quotes:

What's this thread even about? Is there an inside bit of knowledge about a specific person that people knew that commited suicide? I'm not asking a name but is this the case?


What exactly does "I'm not a religious person, but I do consider myself to be spiritual" mean?

I understand this as follows:

Religious is involved with a belief in a God/ Higher Power that requires you to believe in a certain way. It requires attendance at gatherings, adherance to written law, performing rituals and professing certain truths.

Spiritual was a conundrum for me for some time until someone told me to look up the definition.

MW def is:
Main Entry:
1spir·i·tu·al
Pronunciation:
\ˈspir-i-chə-wəl, -i-chəl, -ich-wəl\
Function:
adjective
Etymology:
Middle English, from Anglo-French & Late Latin; Anglo-French espirital, spiritual, from Late Latin spiritualis, from Latin, of breathing, of wind, from spiritus
Date:
14th century
1: of, relating to, consisting of, or affecting the spirit : incorporeal <spiritual needs>
2 a: of or relating to sacred matters <spiritual songs> b: ecclesiastical rather than lay or temporal <spiritual authority> <lords spiritual>
3: concerned with religious values
4: related or joined in spirit <our spiritual home> <his spiritual heir>
5 a: of or relating to supernatural beings or phenomena b: of, relating to, or involving

#3 sticks out most prominently - in a basic or a quick and dirty sense its kind of like taking the plan for living that you think all religions embody ... those values that you'd find in all major religions.. and living by them without necessarily subscribing to the beliefs of those religions.

So let's say for example that Christianiy, Judaism, Islam, Budhhism all urge someone to help others when they can - and that that is part of what it means to be any one of the above... but you don't believe that Christ was God, or that Buddah was enlightened or that descedants of Abraham are the chosen or that Muhammad was a true prophet ... then you're more spiritual than religious.

For me - quitting smoking is a spiritual exercise. It requires mindfulness and control and its aim is a lofty one- health... maybe for the benefit of your family. That type of thing.

I like to think that I keep my life centered around living spiritually, feeding myself mentally and keeping myself physically healthy and improving on these three areas as much as possible - the old Greek concept of mind, body, spirit.

If I keep doing the tough stuff that centers on these three areas my life improves and I'm better able to know the truth and live better and in the end.. know God? Or ... idk. Right now I just know I live better and am better equipped to overcome diversity.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Eco -

long story short, a paltalker committed suicide. I was my usual charming self. But then I even felt bad, so the thread was split off from the original thread, appealing to Gaz's sensibilities.

[Friday]

you did not feel bad.

please don't lie like that.
it goes against everything you "stand for".

[Tenbatsuzen]

you did not feel bad.

please don't lie like that.
it goes against everything you "stand for".

I don't think I'm fully back because my opening statement was much meaner than what I'm about to say -

Fuck you, I actually did feel bad, and who the fuck are you to call me a liar?

I realized the thread was actually detracting from the point - about badkitty - and it should be outside the realm of the thread.

Even YOU said take it elsewhere, and then when I do, you get whiney because you want me to look as bad as possible.

Do you see a recurring theme in the thread even now? "I didn't know her, but..." and that's exactly it. People want to be a part of the experience even though they didn't know her. I'm guilty, but at least I'm honest about it.

[Friday]

i am your conscience, fucko.

like i said before, your feelings on suicide don't matter.
respect the dead. period.

somehow everyone on this board was able to do that but you.

and you only felt bad after being called out by numerous other posters.

i understand... you are used to posting this shit on the other board. that's fine.
go back there and have a party. but not here. Not Here.

[ecobag2]

Eco -

long story short, a paltalker committed suicide. I was my usual charming self. But then I even felt bad, so the thread was split off from the original thread, appealing to Gaz's sensibilities.

the light shines in.

I'm familiar only with 2009 Matty really and can't imagine it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

i am your conscience, fucko.


If you were my conscience, that might be the only acceptable reason to commit suicide.

[ecobag2]

If I keep doing the tough stuff that centers on these three areas my life improves and I'm better able to know the truth and live better and in the end.. know God? Or ... idk. Right now I just know I live better and am better equipped to overcome diversity.

:lol:

adversity.

Or is it diversity ???

What's with all this diversity - we must be more alike.. haruumph harrumph harrumph....

[Friday]

If you were my conscience, that might be the only acceptable reason to commit suicide.

way to pick out the least significant portion of my post to respond to.

what a dope you are.

[Tenbatsuzen]

And Friday, don't play coy or dumb. When have I ever felt bad about being called out by other posters? Think about this.

I split the thread off without any prodding by any mods or threats of bans. I asked a mod to do it on my own volition because I realized that shit was getting out of control, and other people were actually RIGHT.

That, combined with me feeling bad about getting the thread to that point, caused the split.

Don't try to spin this so you think you're right. And considering the only reason I went back to FTB was because of some stupid paltalk drama and promptly got deleted, you think I care about that place either?

[FezsAssistant]

If I owned a gun, I would have killed myself last night.
I'm 31 and don't plan on sticking around until 40.
I think suicide is a great idea for anyone. There should be services out there that help organize the whole process. I have a lot to take care of before I do it. I have to get all my financial stuff in order, pack up everything in my apartment, etc. I want it to be easy as possible on everyone else. I just don't want to be here anymore.

[Friday]

If I owned a gun, I would have killed myself last night.
I'm 31 and don't plan on sticking around until 40.
I think suicide is a great idea for anyone. There should be services out there that help organize the whole process. I have a lot to take care of before I do it. I have to get all my financial stuff in order, pack up everything in my apartment, etc. I want it to be easy as possible on everyone else. I just don't want to be here anymore.

i pray to god that you are speaking from emotion and not from your true heart.
there is always something to live for... ALWAYS.
shit can get bad..i understand completely and i have had similar thoughts to this... and thankfully had the friends around me to stop it.

please PM me... or call a friend.
life is an incredible gift... and even if you are just living for that next great movie or a kiss from some new adorable girl... it is still worth sticking around for.

[Tenbatsuzen]

i pray to god that you are speaking from emotion and not from your true heart.
there is always something to live for... ALWAYS.
shit can get bad..i understand completely and i have had similar thoughts to this... and thankfully had the friends around me to stop it.

please PM me... or call a friend.
life is an incredible gift... and even if you are just living for that next great movie or a kiss from some new adorable girl... it is still worth sticking around for.


now, why didn't bad kitty get this treatment?

And why "PM me?" you should PM HIM. Being passive is the worst thing you can do for someone who is suicidal.

[Foster]

now, why didn't bad kitty get this treatment?

And why "PM me?" you should PM HIM. Being passive is the worst thing you can do for someone who is suicidal.

bad kitty posted she wanted to die?

[Friday]

now, why didn't bad kitty get this treatment?

And why "PM me?" you should PM HIM. Being passive is the worst thing you can do for someone who is suicidal.

cause i haven't messaged him already, ass. for a smart guy, you sure are stupid sometimes.

and if i had known of BK's issues... you know that i would have offered the same to her.
and i have a feeling some people close to her probably did.
but when suicidal people truly mean it... they eventually succeed at their goal. no matter who tries to intervene. it's unfortunate, but it's the truth.

and i know you will always call out posters... and i really don't expect to be "right".
there is no right or wrong in a situation like this.
i just wanted you to stop preaching and just respect the dead.
that's all.

no need to fight on it.
it's just a sad case... a sad ending to a life that might have been more if it had been stronger...
*shrug*

:sad:

[Towelie]

To quote someone else from another board...

All people die. Some naturally, some hilariously.

She didn't post here, so... she's a random person who I didn't know who died.

When you quote someone, you should at least use their name. Or you could at least show your work and write up a bibliography.

I demand credit for my genius damn it.

[~Katja~]

If I owned a gun, I would have killed myself last night.
I'm 31 and don't plan on sticking around until 40.
I think suicide is a great idea for anyone. There should be services out there that help organize the whole process. I have a lot to take care of before I do it. I have to get all my financial stuff in order, pack up everything in my apartment, etc. I want it to be easy as possible on everyone else. I just don't want to be here anymore.

does not sound like you are truly suicidal, you say you were ready to die yesterday but at the same time actually care and worry about what you leave behind before you go, so you truly are nowhere near ready...

sounds more like you are going through a dark and lonely phase of sorts, yet you are not alone. Maybe see a therapist or talk to a friend.

[moochcassidy]

mmm. maybe not so much.

so this thread is an attempt to get us to give a fuck about some asshole you knew?

Tell us all about it 2009 matty. share your wisdom.

[Tenbatsuzen]

When you quote someone, you should at least use their name. Or you could at least show your work and write up a bibliography.

I demand credit for my genius damn it.

Sorry. Credit towelie.

And BTW, my offer to write up my own entry for the fucktard tournament is valid.

Also, let Stycx know that I'm an asshole.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Tell us all about it 2009 matty.

You're slow. Catch the fuck up.

[hammersavage]

I find never passing judgment on another human being and their experiences is the way to go thru life. You have no idea what they felt, what happened to them, what was in their mind to pass judgment. I may feel suicide is a cowards way out for me but never for someone else because I couldn't possibly feel what they feel.

[Towelie]

please go back to FTBFBA if you want to bash the dead.

Oh and excuse me, I'm surprised you could reach the keyboard up there on your high horse.

Find me one post on FTB bashing her.

People discuss what she did, but no one "bashes" her

And I'll let you know this, if you blew your brains out, people would care for a day, maybe a week.

Life would go on in this "community", no matter who you are.

[styckx]

Oh and excuse me, I'm surprised you could reach the keyboard up there on your high horse.

Find me one post on FTB bashing her.

People discuss what she did, but no one "bashes" her

And I'll let you know this, if you blew your brains out, people would care for a day, maybe a week.

Life would go on in this "community", no matter who you are.

Exactly, no one bashed her at all.

Bash/not bashed the act of suicide = Check
Bash the fact a anti depression banner was on her page = Check
Bash a moron here who complained the family didn't say when and why she died as if that's any of her fucking business? Absolutely.

[Friday]

Find me one post on FTB bashing her.
.

i would, but somehow my account was deleted there.

and pd says it here... he is honest about it. and i loves me some pd.
http://www.ftbfba.net/vbull/showthread.php?t=5248&page=3

your site is more prone to nastiness... but noone is upset about it. at least i am not... fuck, i was a member there. so who cares if i want matty to go back to you guys to spew his feelings?

or do you really just not want him back? mmmmm....ok.... i see how it is..... :tongue:

[styckx]

Ok I stand corrected, just re-read it. ONE person bashed her looks specifically and not a single person responded to it and piled on. They stand alone.

[Towelie]

Ok I stand corrected, just re-read it. ONE person bashed her looks specifically and not a single person responded to it and piled on. They stand alone.

Which isn't awful. They'd bash her looks alive or dead, thats just what they think.

Its not as if it was "HAHAHAHAH SHES DEAD LOLOLOL"

Yeesh.

[styckx]

Which isn't awful. They'd bash her looks alive or dead, thats just what they think.

Its not as if it was "HAHAHAHAH SHES DEAD LOLOLOL"

Yeesh.

Exactly. Just thinking outside the box of common sense as to what possibly could be taken as bashing her.

[Death Metal Moe]

People die all the time, in horrific ways. It just happens. It's all around us and one day it will be us.

Sorry, I just can't get that "Deep reflective time" that a lot of people seem to get into when they hear about shit like this. I've seen it and there's nothing special about it. Its everyday life and death.

I don't feel any better or worse than I always do when I hear about an untimely death.

[RoseBlood]

My feelings have pretty much been summed up by Katja and hammersavage.

Would we tell a person suffering from Muscular Dystrophy that it was their own fault? Why would we blame a person who might have a true chemical imbalance or a real mental illness? I'm not saying all suicide cases have a direct link to mental illness, especially considering it's difficult to measure, but I'm sure it's a major factor in a large percentage of cases. Whatever the underlying reasons, placing blame and pointing fingers won't help the people they left behind.

I haven't read this entire thread, so my apologies if my thoughts have already been said.

[Towelie]

Personally I think the burden one's suicide leaves on their family/friends makes it just so selfish and cowardly.

But hey, to each their own.

[Death Metal Moe]

Suicide also includes one of my favorite discussions: Do you own your own body?

Because if you do, then you should have the right to do what you want with it, according to law. So you should be able to smoke, drink and drug yourself to whatever point you want.

I also think you should be able to take your own life if you choose to as well.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Personally I think the burden one's suicide leaves on their family/friends makes it just so selfish and cowardly.

But hey, to each their own.

Bingo. It's one of the reasons I never respected Cobain for what he did; he left a baby without a father.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Exactly. Just thinking outside the box of common sense as to what possibly could be taken as bashing her.

I think it's because I didn't have a comment that started, "I don't know her, but condolences..."

If we had condolences for all the people that died we didn't know, we'd never get anything done.

[Towelie]

I also think the term suicide is very thin and doesn't encompass everything that one could do to "end their life"

Someone who smokes themselves to death, drinks, drugs ect. could be considered a suicide victim.

Its a tough discussion because its hard to tell what exactly is going through ones mind at the very last moment.

If anyone has seen "The Bridge" you can see the one dude who survived the jump said the second he stepped off the ledge he realized he wanted to live.

Its a touchy subject, but it doesn't change my belief that its a selfish and cowardly act.

[underdog]

Bingo. It's one of the reasons I never respected Cobain for what he did; he left a baby without a father.

It's one of the reasons I always respected Cobain for what he did. Did you really want him as a father to a baby?

[Tenbatsuzen]

It's one of the reasons I always respected Cobain for what he did. Did you really want him as a father to a baby?

Consider the mother.

[Coach]

The way I look at it..
If the person is dying a horrible, painful death due to an incurable disease..let them have dignity of ending their own life if they wish.

The people who get a case of the Boo Hoo's after something bad happens in their life, and do themselves in without any history of mental illness,(ie Bankers recently, people whose boyfriend/girlfriend broke up with them.) I have no sympathy for...you were just stupid and selfish.

The people who do have mental illness..there are always signs, if they finally do it..I would blame those closer to them than I for not getting them the proper help.

Cold perhaps..

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Hm...

[boosterp]

you may have a history with knowing suicides. that doesnt mean much to me as youve only witnessed it from the outside.

you dont know the pain that can drive a person to death. physical, mental, whatever. it seems to me, in this case at least, that the pain was too much to live through

I have been the suicidal one. I make it no secret that I struggle with depression, PTSD, and anxiety. I was completely self destructive and looking to die any way possible. If it was not for medication, family, and my best friend and his family I would have died. Today, I am thankful that I did not take my life. I am still in the fight trying to keep my mental illness in check.

I too agree that suicide is one of the most selfish and shitty acts one can complete, but I have been so low that I can also understand how it can happen.

[A.J.]

I always find it funny when people accuse those who commit suicide as being "cowardly" and "selfish". So it's brave and unselfish to insist that they continue living a miserable, unfulfilling life?

As I said in another thread, one of my favorite high school teachers killed himself my junior year. I didn't get mad at him for being a coward or selfish. I just hoped the poor bastard found the peace in death that he couldn't find in life.

[styckx]

I always find it funny when people accuse those who commit suicide as being "cowardly" and "selfish". So it's brave and unselfish to insist that they continue living a miserable, unfulfilling life?

As I said in another thread, one of my favorite high school teachers killed himself my junior year. I didn't get mad at him for being a coward or selfish. I just hoped the poor bastard found the peace in death that he couldn't find in life.

I see it the opposite way. I'd have to assume most all people who are going to off themselves have a moment of clarity where they realize the damage they are about to do to loved ones if they follow through. This is usually very evident w/ writing a suicide note, or calling family to say goodbye to them before they do it. They come to the conclusion the pain they are about to cause others is worth it. It's a big fuck you in my opinion.

It's a vicious self destructive cycle one causes when they do this. They pass their pain and misery down to close friends and family, and forget about it if there are younger ones who are deeply effected by it. Now their fucked, depressed, don't know how to cope w/ losing their brother, sister, son, etc and start blaming themselves for it. These people are now never normal and the chance of them falling into the same downward spiral as the person who initially killed themselves fell into greatly increases

[Tenbatsuzen]

Earlier this week, a NJ State Trooper killed himself in uniform, in his patrol car.

He left behind three small children.

The news media refuses to call it a suicide, rather that he was "found dead" even though the weapon used was his own service weapon.

It made me go back and re-read this thread.

I don't understand why people throw away their lives. And it makes me question the NJSP, that someone who was suicidal was on active duty.

[Suspect Chin]

This thread should just be deleted and if someone wants to start a suicide discussion thread, they can start fresh. And not because it is offensive, but because it is so pieced together with many comments deleted, that it makes absolutely no sense.