Is this cartoon racist or not?

[Hottub]

http://theinnerdoor.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/deadmonkey.jpg



Discuss.

[A.J.]

No.

[yojimbo7248]

I don't get it.

[west milly Tom]

I love a good racist joke, but come on. The artist had to know what people would infer. Its dicey at best.

[KingGeno]

Not at all.

America is full of cry-baby pussy attention seekers though.

[britneypablo]

<font color="deeppink"> I dont think it is....Im calling Pammy A to get her opinion on the animal rights in this cartoon.....are the monkeys really pestering enough to kill? they are just on the endangered species list, not the welfare list

[Furtherman]

No.

But the artist must be as dumb as the people who think it is.

[KingGeno]

I don't get it.

Artist allegedly was only stating that a bunch of dumb monkies created and passed the stimulus bill.

Over-sensitive people think it meant that Obama was a monkey, and police are killing black people.

So technically, these people complaining think they are dumb monkies.

[Hottub]

I love a good racist joke, but come on. The artist had to know what people would infer. Its dicey at best.

That's my take as well.


Ohhh!

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/strollerderby/2008/06/01-07/andrew-dice-clay.jpg

[britneypablo]

Artist allegedly was only stating that a bunch of dumb monkies created and passed the stimulus bill.

Over-sensitive people think it meant that Obama was a monkey, and police are killing black people.

So technically, these people complaining think they are dumb monkies.

<font color="deeppink"> i completely agree with ur reasoning....thus they keep thrusting themselves back into the separation....

[Friday]

No.

But the artist must be as dumb as the people who think it is.

^^ what he said.

[west milly Tom]

Dead monkey + black president who created stimulus package = one dumb motherfucking cartoonist

[khmylev]

No. I think the cartoon is making the police officers look racist.

[A.J.]

Dead monkey + black president who created stimulus package = one dumb motherfucking cartoonist

Congress created it. Not the President.

[Death Metal Moe]

It's hardly even funny and I don't buy that the artist didn't know that "money" or "ape" is a slur used against blacks.

Sorry, I just don't believe there's anyone that niave and innocent in the world anymore.

[yojimbo7248]

Fez had a good point. If the cops had shot a rabid pitbull and there was a dog in the cartoon, it wouldn't have made sense. The cartoonist played up on the black/monkey connection.

I'm not saying I'm offended or that we should fire the guy but I don't believe that he was simply saying that the people who wrote the stimulus plan are dumb monkeys.

[KingGeno]

it's like me getting upset everytime someone honks their car horn.

[Death Metal Moe]

No. I think the cartoon is making the police officers look racist.

Well that makes even less sense. Do you think then that the artist is saying that most to all police officers across the counrty are racist or specifically the police department that answered the 911 call of the owner of the monkey?

I don't follow this one at all.

[west milly Tom]

Congress created it. Not the President.

You can't be this retarded.

[Death Metal Moe]

Fez had a good point. If the cops had shot a rabid pitbull and there was a dog in the cartoon, it wouldn't have made sense. The cartoonist played up on the black/monkey connection.

I'm not saying I'm offended or that we should fire the guy but I don't believe that he was simply saying that the people who wrote the stimulus plan are dumb monkeys.

I don't have the show on but that's a very good point. They could have used any dumb animal story any day of the week to parody the "dumb" president but the artist chose to use a monkey.

They knew what they were doing.

I can't believe I'm on the same side of an issue as Reverend Al is.

[Death Metal Moe]

You can't be this retarded.

Good comeback. What's next? The Rubber/Glue defense?

[west milly Tom]

I don't have the show on but that's a very good point. They could have used any dumb animal story any day of the week to parody the "dumb" president but the artist chose to use a monkey.

They knew what they were doing.

I can't believe I'm on the same side of an issue as Reverend Al is.



Agreed.

[Friday]

Good comeback. What's next? The Rubber/Glue defense?

haha
wmt has proved in the past that his calling is definitely Not in political debating. :D

[west milly Tom]

Good comeback. What's next? The Rubber/Glue defense?

Who signs the bill thereby creating the stimulus?

[A.J.]

You can't be this retarded.

Who writes legislation? The LEGISLATIVE branch.

[west milly Tom]

haha
wmt has proved in the past that his calling is definitely Not in political debating. :D



Oh boy here comes the Lib gang rape. I destroyed you in our last debate. You just refuse to admit your wrong, just like most of you.

[A.J.]

Who signs the bill thereby creating the stimulus?

The President signs the bill drafted by the Congress.

[britneypablo]

Who signs the bill thereby creating the stimulus?

<font color="deeppink"> Monkeys do....and then they find a face and bite it off

[Friday]

Oh boy here comes the Lib gang rape. I destroyed you in our last debate. You just refuse to admit your wrong, just like most of you.

:lol: :lol:



and now back to our regularly scheduled thread:

http://www.nypost.com/delonas/delonas.jpg

[west milly Tom]

Who writes legislation? The LEGISLATIVE branch.

Check out the HEADLINE of the article. Does it say congressional stimulus package?


http://www.plentymag.com/thecurrent/2008/11/obamas_new_stimulus_package_cr.php

[west milly Tom]

<font color="deeppink"> Monkeys do....and then they find a face and bite it off



:lol::lol: potd!

[disneyspy]

Oh boy here comes the Lib gang rape. I destroyed you in our last debate. You just refuse to admit your wrong, just like most of you.

you know what stimulates my package?
mrs obama

[west milly Tom]

you know what stimulates my package?
mrs obama



Her jack-o-lantern smile really does it for me too.

[OGC]

No

[A.J.]

Check out the HEADLINE of the article. Does it say congressional stimulus package?


http://www.plentymag.com/thecurrent/2008/11/obamas_new_stimulus_package_cr.php

http://globalnerdy.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/picard_ashamed.jpg

Yes, but the actual details of the package were hammered out in the Congress. It started in the both the House and Senate Budget Committees. After working its way through committee, a final package was passed by the entire House and Senate for the President to sign.

[made cummsies]

Whether or not its racist isn't the issue. That people are calling for it to be disallowed from any future publication or that the cartoonist be fired or face other punishment is the issue.

In 2005 there was massive uproar in certain islamic communities when a Danish newspaper printed several cartoons depicting Mohammad both because they were perceived to be offensive and simply because to them it was an insult to even print an image of their prophet. The same loss of common sense and fervent desire to accommodate every special interests or protect everyone's feelings is whats happening now in response to the NY Post cartoon.

Was the NY Post cartoon offensive? Potentially. Was it racist? Again, potentially. But it should be the artist's right to draw it and if his/her publisher sees fit to print it. If as the consumer of their media you find that distasteful then you have a whole host of reasonable options that range from flipping the page to never buying their paper again but to suggest that someone be fired is bullshit. Just because someone might have been offended does not justify a punitive response.

That a cartoon about the stimulus package has become a bigger story then the bailout itself is what I find stunning.

[Furtherman]

For one man to write a 1,100 page bill.. that's one hell of a homework assignment.

[west milly Tom]

http://globalnerdy.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/picard_ashamed.jpg

Yes.

Enough said.

[DiabloSammich]

Yes, it's racist.

[AKA]

Dead monkey + black president who created stimulus package = one dumb motherfucking cartoonist

QFT

[A.J.]

Enough said.

Fine. If I wanted to teach American Government 101, I would have gotten my PhD.

[Misteriosa]

i've taken a copy of this cartoon around the office, and everyone ive showed it to immediately associated the bullet riddled monkey with obama.

[TjM]

I would blame the editor on this one

[KingGeno]

i've taken a copy of this cartoon around the office, and everyone ive showed it to immediately associated the bullet riddled monkey with obama.

You work with racists then.

[MerkinMuffley]

Of course it's racist. He's (intentionally or not) calling Obama a monkey.

Am I offended? No, but the guy is a complete moron if he can't see how people construe this as racist.

[Hottub]

Fine. If I wanted to teach American Government 101, I would have gotten my PhD.

Dr. A.J.

I like it!!

[Misteriosa]

You work with racists then.

more like i work with people who have been on the receiving end of racism their whole lives.

the cartoon is racist, regardless of what the author was intending. when you put creative work out there, its open to all types of interpretation, whether intended by the author or not.

[badorties]

I would blame the editor on this one

the cartoonist was just trying to shock, the editor and any executive that signed-off on it should be called to task (not exactly sure what should be done)

but you couldn't get anymore racist without being blatant

[ChrisTheCop]

Whats gonna happen when cartoonists/comics ACTUALLY start making fun of Obama?
It's GONNA happen, folks, he's the president. They ALL get made fun of...
But everyone seems afraid for this very reason; "youre making fun of him because he's black!"

The statement in this cartoon, "a monkey couldve done a better job" is just as common as the lipstick on a pig statement that you all so vehemently defended Obama for, and frankly just as topical. He made his statement because it was in the news, and ok-- it was a funny spin, and this cartoonist made his because both topics are in the news (the monkey went crazy, and cops had to kill it, AND the stimulus bill is a mess...see?).

I personally dont find the cartoon funny, but I see where it's going, so I certainly dont find it offensive.

[Serpico1103]

Artist allegedly was only stating that a bunch of dumb monkies created and passed the stimulus bill.
Over-sensitive people think it meant that Obama was a monkey, and police are killing black people.
So technically, these people complaining think they are dumb monkies.

So, the leap that a monkey might be a reference to a black person is preposterous?
The idea that the artist was calling Obama a monkey is the simplest.
You could read further into that the Congress is a bunch of trained monkeys who got out of control and needed to be put down.
But, that seems like a bigger leap to me. Also, any cartoon that can be reasonably interpreted as finding humor in physically harming the president should be carefully scrutinized.
But, I know, PC is ruining this great country.
NY Post just more liberal media.:wacko:

[JimBeam]

It wasn't the smoothest of jokes but if you're offended by it then you're a moron and you should be in a cage regardless of your color.

Is it a joke about the chimp and they used the stimulus as the punchline or was it a joke about the stimulus and they added the chimp to kill 2 birds w/ one stone ?

[~Katja~]

Artist allegedly was only stating that a bunch of dumb monkies created and passed the stimulus bill.

Over-sensitive people think it meant that Obama was a monkey, and police are killing black people.

So technically, these people complaining think they are dumb monkies.

without having seen the comic I felt that this was what it was supposed to mean when they were discussing it on O&A this morning... it just did not sound like it was referencing Obama and the street interviews were horrendous and should never have been used on air.

[hammersavage]

Seems pretty standard for the Post. If it was in an actual paper, I would be shocked.

[Dell]

No... just merging two stories in the news.

[Fred from Brooklyn]

Whether it is, might be or is not...so what? ITS A COMIC!!!
Racism, like being offended is in the eye of the beholder...until the Racial Extortionists convince one segment of society it is, then it is deemed offensive.

I saw that comic at 4:45am, and never thought twice about it again until I heard Jimmy comment on it. Then an hour later...here comes Sharpton.

Sharpton has been kept quiet since months before the election, and this is the issue he comes out for? That man OUTRAGES me.

In my eyes, a much bigger issue... The Stimulus Package is attempted to be hidden by using RACISM, Sharpton does not do this kind of stuff for free. His pay will be either Publicity, Advertiser Shakedowns or Political Clout with the new Administration.


Sad but true...

[boobieman]

Is it Racist...yea I say it is...does it offend me...no..is it illegal..no...so fuck it.

Just because something offends does not mean it should be censored or removed.
Being a racists just means being a dumb fuck!!!!!

Now back to my multiplication tables......
SEEEYSYSYEYEYYAYAYAYA

[KnoxHarrington]

And, once again, saying "But it's just a monkey? How can you say it's racist!" is the same reasoning hayseeds use to argue for why they fly the rebel flag. There's a long cultural history of depictions of apes or monkeys being used as racist depictions of black people.

Here's what I don't get: there's a whole bunch of people who decry "PC" and say they're for "free speech", but the first time someone says "You know, that's a little bit offensive to me", they immediately start screaming at that person to shut the fuck up.

[Dell]

Whether it is, might be or is not...so what? ITS A COMIC!!!
Racism, like being offended is in the eye of the beholder...until the Racial Extortionists convince one segment of society it is, then it is deemed offensive.

I saw that comic at 4:45am, and never thought twice about it again until I heard Jimmy comment on it. Then an hour later...here comes Sharpton.

Sharpton has been kept quiet since months before the election, and this is the issue he comes out for? That man OUTRAGES me.

In my eyes, a much bigger issue... The Stimulus Package is attempted to be hidden by using RACISM, Sharpton does not do this kind of stuff for free. His pay will be either Publicity, Advertiser Shakedowns or Political Clout with the new Administration.


Sad but true...

Okay, but how do you feel about Al Sharpton?

[GreatAmericanZero]

its not racist

i didn't realize this until i read it (after hearing about it on both radio shows) but they say "who will right the next stimulus plan". Its not saying he wrote the current stimulus plan. If i read it i would never think it was saying Obama is a monkey, i would just think the cartoonist meant "these stimulus plans are so stupid it might as well be done by a chimp"

[JimBeam]

And, once again, saying "But it's just a monkey? How can you say it's racist!" is the same reasoning hayseeds use to argue for why they fly the rebel flag. There's a long cultural history of depictions of apes or monkeys being used as racist depictions of black people.

Here's what I don't get: there's a whole bunch of people who decry "PC" and say they're for "free speech", but the first time someone says "You know, that's a little bit offensive to me", they immediately start screaming at that person to shut the fuck up.

So with that said monkeys and apes can no longer be used to reference anything, funnier or otherwise, because they've been used to misrepresent things in the past ?

If you say " hey that's offfensive to me but to each his own " than you're using free speech but if you say " hey that's offensive and you need to stop using it or pay me reparations " than you're now trying to surpress another person's free speech.

Big difference between the 2 ideas.

[Fred from Brooklyn]

Okay, but how do you feel about Al Sharpton?

I felt my use of Racial Extortionist was self explanatory...

[FezsAssistant]

It can't be racist b/c Obama didn't write up the bill. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid wrote it and their no-integrity-havin' bitch Obama presented it.

[GreatAmericanZero]

it seems like things that get accused of being racist get more and more ridiculous as time goes on

i really don't see this one at all.

[KnoxHarrington]

So with that said monkeys and apes can no longer be used to reference anything, funnier or otherwise, because they've been used to misrepresent things in the past ?

If you say " hey that's offfensive to me but to each his own " than you're using free speech but if you say " hey that's offensive and you need to stop using it or pay me reparations " than you're now trying to surpress another person's free speech.

Big difference between the 2 ideas.

No, I'm just saying that the "anyone who sees this as racist is racist themselves" line is bogus and historically ignorant.

The cartoon itself may or may not be racist; I tend to think it's just lame. But to think that it wouldn't be taken that way by some is foolish.

[epo]

So if Al Sharpton's history of "racial extortion" is in play in the discussion, then why isn't the cartoonist Sean Delonas' history of idiocy?

[Serpico1103]

It can't be racist b/c Obama didn't write up the bill. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid wrote it and their no-integrity-havin' bitch Obama presented it.

So, one hundred years from now Pelosi and Reid will get the credit or blame for the bill?
No, the president is the face of our government. The direct connection is to Obama, had there been more monkeys, 535, one for each member of Congress, than a connection to Congress would be simpler.

That said, the cartoon can easily been seen as racist. However, the artist has every right to be racist. The paper has every right to depict a racist cartoon, it should just not be surprised by a strong reaction.
I think the cartoon is offensive, but I think the artist and the paper have the right to offend.

[lleeder]

I say yes that makes us look like we have huge noses.

[GreatAmericanZero]

i genuinely don't think the intent was racist. I think it was more a reference to the "monkey in a typewriter" expression with this crazy stimulus bill than "duh, obama is black..monkey is mean word for blacks...duuuuuuuuuuh"

[Gvac]

Only the cartoonist knows for sure, and if he says it wasn't the least bit racist what should we do...say "bullshit - we don't believe you" and take away his livelihood?

Seriously, this is getting stupid.

And for the record, a racist angle didn't even enter my mind when I saw it. I just took it as "that bill is so stupid a chimp must have written it."

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[zildjian361]

That's my take as well.


Ohhh!

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/strollerderby/2008/06/01-07/andrew-dice-clay.jpg

Exactly Ya Hear!:smoke:

[Hottub]

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

And sometimes, it's as dry as a hot prairie wind.

[epo]

Only the cartoonist knows for sure, and if he says it wasn't the least bit racist what should we do...say "bullshit - we don't believe you" and take away his livelihood?

Seriously, this is getting stupid.

And for the record, a racist angle didn't even enter my mind when I saw it. I just took it as "that bill is so stupid a chimp must have written it."

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

The problem is trying to claim that a political cartoonist didn't understand the cartoon in play couldn't be read by some users as racist. People in his field use generalities and stereotypes as a means to make a point, so the "babe in the woods" defense does not work in this case.

[Gvac]

The problem is trying to claim that a political cartoonist didn't understand the cartoon in play couldn't be read by some users as racist. People in his field use generalities and stereotypes as a means to make a point, so the "babe in the woods" defense does not work in this case.

So you want him fired and blackballed?

I just don't understand where it ends. Everytime someone's work offends someone, whether intentional or not, they should be denied the right to make a living?

I guess all artists better stop producing, then.

[Gvac]

Racist bastard! I demand that this website be removed from the internet forever and the owner of the site have his means of making money taken from him!!!! (http://www.bushorchimp.com/)

[Hottub]

So you want him fired and blackballed?

I just don't understand where it ends. Everytime someone's work offends someone, whether intentional or not, they should be denied the right to make a living?

I guess all artists better stop producing, then.

http://lickerish.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/serrano-andres-piss-christ-1987.jpg

Remember this one?
It caused a hell of a shit storm. Even got funding revoked from the Brooklyn Museum of Art.
There is no freedom of the press. There is no freedom of speech. You have to look over your shoulder at every turn.

It truly is a Post-Imus world.

[epo]

So you want him fired and blackballed?

I just don't understand where it ends. Everytime someone's work offends someone, whether intentional or not, they should be denied the right to make a living?

I guess all artists better stop producing, then.

I personally don't give a shit if the NY Post prints his cartoons on their front page every day for the rest of my life.

But at the same point I ask this: If he as an artist has first amendment rights, then also the people who don't like his work also have first amendment rights. He doesn't have a first amendment right to work for News Corp. and they will decide what is in their best interest as a corporation.

Delonas has a history of questionable cartoons and has little area for moral high ground in this case.

[Gvac]

Please look at my last post on the previous page. I don't want you to miss it.

[epo]

Racist bastard! I demand that this website be removed from the internet forever and the owner of the site have his means of making money taken from him!!!! (http://www.bushorchimp.com/)

HYPERBOLE ALERT!

[Compliment-Guy]

What a beautifully drawn cartoon!

And I think all of you have incredibly intelligent, well thought out points as well!

[epo]

It truly is a Post-Imus world.

So we're all supposed to cry for a 70+ shock jock who has little-to-no grasp of culture and wants to play both sides of the fence?

[Serpico1103]

Racist bastard! I demand that this website be removed from the internet forever and the owner of the site have his means of making money taken from him!!!! (http://www.bushorchimp.com/)

Do you understand the difference between calling someone a monkey due to his own facial features and expressions and calling someone a monkey as a racial slur?

Saying the cartoon is racist is not a call for having the artist blackballed.
Ron bullied Fez when they were arguing. Fez found the cartoon offensive. It is art, Fez can find the cartoon offensive or not. Who is Ron to tell Fez that he is wrong. Fez expressly said he didn't think the artist should be punished.

Yes, art can be offensive. No, we should not punish artists simply because it is offensive.

[Hottub]

So we're all supposed to cry for a 70+ shock jock who has little-to-no grasp of culture and wants to play both sides of the fence?

Absolutely not!

Just be prepared to face the ramifications.
As long as Rev. Sharpton, Mr. Donohue and the other watchdogs keeping society safe from free speech are out there, you must choose your words carefully.

[ecobag2]

Yes.

[Gvac]

Do you understand the difference between calling someone a monkey due to his own facial features and expressions and calling someone a monkey as a racial slur?

Do you understand that I posted that a racial angle was the last thing from my mind when I saw the cartoon?

[Gvac]

So we're all supposed to cry for a 70+ shock jock who has little-to-no grasp of culture and wants to play both sides of the fence?

Not cry for him, but defend his (and every American's) right to free speech.

[Serpico1103]

Do you understand that I posted that a racial angle was the last thing from my mind when I saw the cartoon?

So if I type, "I HATE NIGGERS." it is not racist if read by someone who doesn't understand English?


You not finding it racist, does not mean it isn't.
My finding it racist, does not mean it is. But the Post should have been aware that some people would find it racist. Hopefully, they made the decision to print it with knowledge of how it would be read by some, whether a majority or a large minority.

[ecobag2]

I'm embarrassed now- no it's not.

I just put Bush back in office and asked myself the question again.

Oooofa. This is educational.

[epo]

Not cry for him, but defend his (and every American's) right to free speech.

But here is the thing about this "cry" for free speech. In the media world, speech is not some kind of "pure" free speech. The "free speech" in the media is owned by a corporation which is beholdened to advertisers and interests.

What Jeff and Greg are doing right now is free speech. What Don Imus and Sean Delonas do is not "pure" free speech. They have corporate masters to make happy.

When somebody tells you about a media personalities "free speech" on a corporate media vehicle, they are buying into a false myth.

[epo]

Absolutely not!

Just be prepared to face the ramifications.
As long as Rev. Sharpton, Mr. Donohue and the other watchdogs keeping society safe from free speech are out there, you must choose your words carefully.

Here is the thing Tub, if Sharpton or Jesse Jackson show up at your door....how do you think they got your name? While I may not always like their tactics, they don't just "show up"...they are karmically invited by somebody fucking up.

[ecobag2]

HYPERBOLE ALERT!

I'll sometimes pronounce this Hyper-bowl.

it's really funny to me.

[jennysmurf]

I don't think it was meant as a racist attack. The artist pulled the story of the rampaging chimp in Stamford, CT, and used it to make his cartoon more topical. He could've used any animal, but he chose the chimp because the story had been in the papers. The Stimulus Package is very poorly put together--like something a chimp would produce. I think GAZ mentioned the saying about monkeys and a typewriter.

[Hottub]

Here is the thing Tub, if Sharpton or Jesse Jackson show up at your door....how do you think they got your name? While I may not always like their tactics, they don't just "show up"...they are karmically invited by somebody fucking up.

That was my point, epo. If you would like to have a controversial position, be prepared.

[JackieJokeMan]

without having seen the comic

Then you shouldn't comment.

[Gvac]

So if I type, "I HATE NIGGERS." it is not racist if read by someone who doesn't understand English?.

That's a terrible example, and about as "apples and oranges" as you could get.

What you wrote is a definitive statement. What an artist produces is open to interpretation. You're implying that anyone who didn't read a racial overtone into this cartoon didn't understand it.

Do you have any idea how many times songwriters have had meanings attributed to their songs that they didn't have in mind when they penned them? Happens all the time.

[Gvac]

But here is the thing about this "cry" for free speech. In the media world, speech is not some kind of "pure" free speech. The "free speech" in the media is owned by a corporation which is beholdened to advertisers and interests.

What Jeff and Greg are doing right now is free speech. What Don Imus and Sean Delonas do is not "pure" free speech. They have corporate masters to make happy.

When somebody tells you about a media personalities "free speech" on a corporate media vehicle, they are buying into a false myth.

Of course I understand the corporation mindset, but look at musicians - imagine if their work was scrutinized and every "offensive" song was protested against and record companies had to cut them from the label every time someone objected.

Sooner or later people are going to have to develop a thicker skin, and that goes for the corporations AND the public.

[Serpico1103]

That's a terrible example, and about as "apples and oranges" as you could get.
What you wrote is a definitive statement. What an artist produces is open to interpretation. You're implying that anyone who didn't read a racial overtone into this cartoon didn't understand it.
Do you have any idea how many times songwriters have had meanings attributed to their songs that they didn't have in mind when they penned them? Happens all the time.

No, that is my point. That it can be interpreted is my position. You are the one proposing that a racist interpretation is outlandish.
When you right a political cartoon you are trying to express a specific message, you are creating "art." So, the artist needs to be aware what other people will interpret the cartoon to mean. If it is too esoteric the cartoon has no power, if it is too simple, the cartoon loses its artistry.
A songwriter or painter need not care what message you pull out. A political cartoonists only concern is what message the audience takes from the cartoon.

[STC-Dub]

It is a cartoon. I was not there when it was drawn so I do not know if it was meant to be racist or not. I could see why some people think it is but Bush was depicted the same was so I have no major problems with it.

[Gvac]

No, that is my point. That it can be interpreted is my position. You are the one proposing that a racist interpretation is outlandish.

I NEVER said a racial interpretation was outlandish. I said I didn't interpret it that way.

You've got to stop reading things that aren't there.

My point was merely you cannot put rules and guidelines on interpretive works.

[ralphbxny]

Not funny, but doesnt mean its racist. Stupid but not racist!

[ecobag2]

I think we need to ask ourselves... what makes for a racist cartoon?

What essential qualities would you say are true of ALL cartoons that would be grouped into the category as "racist"?

I'd start with a definition of racism:
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

For #1 to apply to the cartoon you have to make the leap that the bill was written by Obama and that Obama is being equated to a chimp and that since others have equated African Americans to chimps in the past, that's what's being done here. Notice the following: Obama didn't write the bill and stupid and impulsive politicians (which is what's being said of the bill writers by detractors) are and have always been at times equated to chimps. For #1 to apply Obama would have to have written the bill ... it's ludicrous to assert it's him.

For #2 to apply: I ask what is racial predjudice or discrimination?

Predjudice is saying "all African Americans are ... this. Or "are this way"
or
Discrimiation is saying "I've decided for or against this person because he/she is/is not African American".

I'll toss out discrimination here - we're not hiring or firing or whatever.

In terms of prejudice it says - prior to the bill having been written... prior. This is before (pre-judice) You learn that Obama's writing it. You shoot a monkey and you link the two. Also note: the bill would have to have been in the middle of its being written.

so here we have
1. the bill is completed - and there's criticism about it - justifiable, reasonable political criticism that would draw such heat as "this guy (the writer - who's not even Obama) is as smart as a chimp"
2. Even if the bill weren't already written- even if Obama's going to write it - I should be able to use the old terms for stupid politicians without reprisal if a. I think Obama's an idiot and b. I want to say that by equating him to a lesser primate.

Really it was over for me if I put Bush in office, if I put Clinton in office... it's TOPICAL HUMOR. TOPICAL - there's a dead chimp, there's a controversial bill, there are politicians, we call them chimps. The end.

This is fucking bullshit I'm going to lose my mind if this country goes silent b/c we have a black president you'll be like "you know that guy that lit a flag on fire and ran through the streets of NYC till he was tased?" "that was E3" I fucking shiit you not.

Goddam embarrasing my first reaction to it though was yes it is racist... I see why people get on their high horse.

[jennysmurf]

I stand by my original post.

[TooLowBrow]

its not just a chimp. its a crazy murdering people eating chimp who NEEDS to be shot.

and the police arent the heros of the cartoon, they dont know who's going to get us out of this mess, they just know they have to kill the chimp.

i dont think its racist but it is threatening, mean and un-thought out.

[zildjian361]

I NEVER said a racial interpretation was outlandish. I said I didn't interpret it that way.

You've got to stop reading things that aren't there.

My point was merely you cannot put rules and guidelines on interpretive works.

more accounts than pants, your'e starting to get less clutttered.:wink::smile:

[epo]

That was my point, epo. If you would like to have a controversial position, be prepared.

This same parameter has existed throughout the history of "media". In the 1400s when Gutenberg invented the printing press...and the Catholic Church didn't like certain things they did the exact same thing as modern "advocates" do now.

[epo]

Of course I understand the corporation mindset, but look at musicians - imagine if their work was scrutinized and every "offensive" song was protested against and record companies had to cut them from the label every time someone objected.

Sooner or later people are going to have to develop a thicker skin, and that goes for the corporations AND the public.

Thicker skin? Could you use a bigger cliche?

Instead of going after the ripple in this case, let's examine the root problem in this case. America has a shit history of discussing our history of race and racism, and absolutely refuses to have a grown-up national discourse of how we got to this point. As long as we ignore that history...we'll deal with ambiguous shit like this.

[Hottub]

From what I have read, all Gutenberg did was introduce movable type printing to Europe. Thereby "mass producing" the bible. Are you saying the Roman Catholic church was there to look over his work? Nobody was there for a thousand years looking over the shoulders of the monks who transcribed the bible.
http://www.uwo.ca/english/site/archive/confrncs/medievalisms/images/Book%20of%20Kells,%20Crucifixion.gif

Which reminds me. The Book of Kells is an absolute masterpiece.

Back on topic.

[underdog]

I showed the cartoon to my wife and she had the exact same reaction as me.

First thought of, "Wow, that's pretty racist" quickly turns into, "Oh wait, he's saying the stimulus bill is so dumb that monkeys wrote it."

But we both absolutely understand how someone would find it racist. And if the artist says he didn't realize it could be viewed that way, he's lying.

[jclassic]

Had their been a few typewriters and more monkeys this wouldn't be an issue but O&A with their constant monkey jokes with the bells have made me think you can't make a non-racist monkey joke.

[underdog]

O&A with their constant monkey jokes with the bells have made me think you can't make a non-racist monkey joke.

That's a damn good point.

[Serpico1103]

I NEVER said a racial interpretation was outlandish. I said I didn't interpret it that way.
You've got to stop reading things that aren't there.
My point was merely you cannot put rules and guidelines on interpretive works.

Than we agree.
I do not want to regulate political cartoons.
But, I do think people have the right, and responsibility to react to things they do not like.
If people dislike the NY Post, they should not buy it, if people support the Post they should buy it. Unfortunately, usually the minority is the group to organize and paradoxically holds the power, but that is the system we have embraced.
Reverse boycotts should be more popular. Supporting corporations that you believe are fighting the good fight, and protesting corporations that buckle to the whims of the few.

[Philip]

As far as a single panel cartoons go, it can't touch Snoots.

[KojiClutch]

As far as a single panel cartoons go, it can't touch Snoots.No one can. No one can.

[KrustyKola]

From the description from O and A it was obviously a racists cartoon. I described it to my wife boom, same reaction.

I almost called Ron to point out that O and A were doing the media "pile-on" (and to their credit, discussed that point on the show) that Ron was bitching about. ( I did not call because I know I would be slow to realize I was on the air, sound like a dope and badly represent my part of the country and state!)

I do not want anybodies job over it (the dumb cartoon) and do not see it as threat to the president but like any art or joke if it bombs with more people than not then someone should question the wisdom of publishing it.


On the media piling on a story it came to me that everyone does it, from our buddies for laughs to the regular media for a straight up story to talk shows to get all worked up over, all these people have hours of air time to fill and they are going to fill it with whats new that day. Nothing more to it then that. Like what happened to Imus, he messed up during a slow news week.

The bigger discussion related to the cartoon should be why there is a part of the media trying to portray this stimulus bill as some kind of out of the blue boondoggle when our whole economy is falling apart in from of our eyes. California is just about going bankrupt and it alone is one of the biggest economies in the world. The big story here is there are people that want Obama and democrats to fail more than they want America to succeed.

F it, going to work while the doors are still open.

[bigredd]

I don't think I would have read race into the cartoon if I hadn't been asked too. In my OPINION, the cartoon infers a monkey wrote or could have written the stimulus bill, not the The Rock Obama. Who can say they believe that the president of the United States of America wrote any part of that bill other than his signature?

Like many forms of expression this cartoon can and will be interpreted many different ways. The beauty of our country is that the paper is free to publish it, the public is free to be offended or not be and we can discuss it on radio show message boards.

[Warren Peace]

http://www.bloggledygook.com/bloggledygook/images/mohammed_headbomb.jpg

[Coach_Mac]

Why am I seeing a different cartoon than everyone else? Monkey?

[stump12]

Wtf

[skyscraper]

no it is fucking not racist. but, here we go, any criticism of obama is going to be called racist.
it's played, sharpton. let it go.

[joethebartender]

No.

But this one is...

http://resist.com/programs/WARPhotos/Art/images/WAR148.jpg

[Kublakhan61]

no it is fucking not racist. but, here we go, any criticism of obama is going to be called racist.
it's played, sharpton. let it go.

I bet you're a white person!

[A.J.]

No.

But this one is...

http://resist.com/programs/WARPhotos/Art/images/WAR148.jpg

That is so wrong. O.J. is RIGHT handed.

[JimBeam]

He doesn't have a first amendment right to work for News Corp. and they will decide what is in their best interest as a corporation.

News Corp and it's editors could've not printed the cartoon if they thought it was so offensive.

So if people are going to lose their jobs it better be those who allowed something to go through w/ their approval.

[skyscraper]

I bet you're a white person!

don't profile me you racist!

[Recyclerz]

I stopped by and protested for a couple of minutes in front of Fox News on my way back from lunch a little while ago. I didn't see any TV cameras filming "our expression of outrage against the man" but if you're watching this later on the news I should be pretty easy to pick out in the crowd, if you catch my drift. :wink:

[torker]

Originally Posted by Kublakhan61
I bet you're a white person!
http://strictlyforpleasure.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/ani_difranco.jpg

[sailor]

the cartoon doesn't match the discussion. i guess hottub didn't actually save it and the pic will change everyday the post puts up a new one.

[Furtherman]

the cartoon doesn't match the discussion. i guess hottub didn't actually save it and the pic will change everyday the post puts up a new one.

Ha ha.

Well now the cartoon is not only racist, but it insensitive towards handicapped people!

[Recyclerz]

Ha ha.

Well now the cartoon is not only racist, but it insensitive towards handicapped people!

Handi-CAPABLE you insensitive, knuckle-dragging brute! :wink:

I'm going to scoop up my gimpy friends and go protest in front of your house.

[Coach_Mac]

the cartoon doesn't match the discussion. i guess hottub didn't actually save it and the pic will change everyday the post puts up a new one.

Wow, you don't know how many times I looked at that cartoon trying to find the monkey everyone kept talking about. I was starting to feel like an idiot.

[TjM]

Give the PC police an inch

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20090220/NY.Post.Cartoon/

[Gvac]

the cartoon doesn't match the discussion. i guess hottub didn't actually save it and the pic will change everyday the post puts up a new one.

Here ya go -

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c34/Gvac/NYPostCartoon.jpg

[Melk]

Here ya go -

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c34/Gvac/NYPostCartoon.jpg

I stand by my claim. Not funny if it was intended to be a racial jab, less funny if it wasn't.

A funnier chimp gag would have been if they had the victim without her face chatting with a police officer who tells her, "You think that is bad, he has been trying to take Anthony Cumia's guns for years."

If the previous chimp attack (with the birthday cake) you see the noseless, ball-less man talking to a member of the Democratic Party, the Democrat says, "You think that's bad, he stripped the armor from our troops' humvees."

This post was authored under the terms of the new Fairness Doctrine.

[Furtherman]

Handi-CAPABLE you insensitive, knuckle-dragging brute! :wink:

I'm going to scoop up my gimpy friends and go protest in front of your house.

Bring it on cripple! I'll leg sweep your crutches and shove 'em up yer arse!

[ChrisTheCop]

The current cartoon (page 1) is just as racist as the rabid monkey one.

They use the word democrat, which OBVIOUSLY means Obama.
Are they implying Obama doesnt pay his back taxes because he's BLACK??!!
Or is back taxes just a clever way for the post to get away with saying bLack taxes?

I'm so mad right now. At a cartoon.

[Ritalin]

I listen to the show on Audible, so I'm a couple of days late on this, but I just got finished listening to the segment from that day, and I was pretty surprised to hear Ron go off on how "PC" the country is getting and how there's no free speech and about the false outrage and how the media churns it up because that's what the media does.

I think that's ironic because I think that's exactly what Ron's doing in that segment. He's far too smart not to understand the inconsistencies of his own arguments, but I think he's taking a position on the air that he doesn't completely agree with to make the show interesting.

Set aside for the moment whether or not you think the comic is racist. Whether or not that artist loses his job has nothing at all to do with the First Amendment and everything to do with the marketplace of ideas. If the NY Post decides that keeping this cartoonist around will cost them money then he's out the door. If Al Sharpton whips up enough attention to make advertisers nervous and that causes the Post to fire that artist, that's how it goes in the marketplace of ideas, AND RON AGREES WITH THAT.

How can I say that? Because I remember when that Michael Phelps/Bong story went down that Ronnie said that he was going to boycott any sponsor that cancelled his contract over the picture. Now, I happen to agree with Ron on that one, and I don't agree with Al Sharpton on this Post thing, but that doesn't really matter. Both are exercising their rights in the marketplace.

And it isn't like Ron doesn't accept a dose of censorship himself. Same show, Ron asked Fez if he'd talked to the bosses about the proposed drinking show. Why would you need permission, especially on an XL channel (no joke intended). You could make the case that it's an HR matter, but that's just hiding behind an excuse. Waivers could be signed, and the show Intervention on A&E shows junkies shooting up and falling face first asleep in their Cheerios, so there's a way.

I don't think there's anything wrong with them checking with the higher ups when they feel it will make life easier. It's a business. But you can't check in with your boss to make sure what you do on air is ok with them, then rail on about letting the freak flag fly and standing on soapboxes in the park.

Nobody is stopping anyone from standing on the corner and letting it all hang out. However, if your thing is racist shit, don't be surprised if nobody puts any money in your little tin cup.

(and just for the record, the cartoon was racist - seriously, c'mon - but I don't think the guy should be fired. What do I care what the Post publishes? Piece of crap paper)

[foodcourtdruide]

Great post Ritalin.

I think there is a definite hypocrisy here:

I am correct in exercising my free speech by making a racist cartoon, but you are incorrect by exercising your free speech and boycotting the racist cartoon.

[TheMojoPin]

Excellent points, Ritalin.

[Hottub]

I never thought about the rotating comic. I just went straight to the Post site.


You make some good points Ritilin.

[The Jays]

The point that Ron, as well as O and A, have been trying to make is that no person in the media should be compelled to moderate their speech because of the threat of a mob of people. That is what happened with Imus, that is what happened with O and A the first time... a very angry minority of people got upset and demanded they be fired or else they would stage a boycott, and the radio employers complied. The same thing happened with Janet Jackson, which is how all this censorship bullshit really started getting out of control.

No one should be silenced because someone doesn't like what they say, write, or draw. To go and threaten to boycott, and to have the media comply gives too much power to those who want thoughts silenced, and that is not was this country is about.

The 1st Amendment protects people from the threat of the majority , from the threat of even a minority, from the threat of a group of people that is bigger than the one person who is smaller than the group of people which does not like his or her thoughts.

If this cartoonist loses his job, he's going to sue the Post for unlawful termination, because they agreed to print his thoughts. So, congrats, you protesters just made this guy's life alot better by giving him tons of money.

And lastly, this cartoon was not racist. The monkey is not supposed to be President Obama because the President does not write law, he ENACTS law that was drafted by Congress. Congress is the entity that writes the stimulus bill. This cartoon is brilliant because 1) it shines a light on how stupid the people of this country really are, that they know so little about how their own government works, and 2) it lets the reader do all of the work in making the mental leap from chimp to Obama.

The cartoon is not racist, the reader is for associating the chimp with Obama, who, even if he was a chimp, would have no business in writing a stimulus bill because he is not a member of Congress.

[TheMojoPin]

The 1st Amendment protects people from the threat of the majority , from the threat of even a minority, from the threat of a group of people that is bigger than the one person who is smaller than the group of people which does not like his or her thoughts.

That's not how the 1st Amendment works at all. The 1st Amendment exists to prevent free speech from being infringed upon by the government. The scenario you presented is not a viable 1st Amendment situation unless the "bigger group" is the government.

[TheMojoPin]

The cartoon is not racist, the reader is for associating the chimp with Obama

That's a remarkable leap of logic that totally lets artists/speakers/creators/writers/etc. totally off the hook in terms of the content or intent of what they create.

I don't know for sure what this cartoonist's intentions were with the cartoon, and it might have just been a poor choice, but many of the people that view it as racially charged aren't being racist or "creating racism" or whatever by being surprised or angered or disapointed by the potential intentions behind the cartoon.

[Ritalin]

The point that Ron, as well as O and A, have been trying to make is that no person in the media should be compelled to moderate their speech because of the threat of a mob of people. That is what happened with Imus, that is what happened with O and A the first time... a very angry minority of people got upset and demanded they be fired or else they would stage a boycott, and the radio employers complied. The same thing happened with Janet Jackson, which is how all this censorship bullshit really started getting out of control.

No one should be silenced because someone doesn't like what they say, write, or draw. To go and threaten to boycott, and to have the media comply gives too much power to those who want thoughts silenced, and that is not was this country is about.

The 1st Amendment protects people from the threat of the majority , from the threat of even a minority, from the threat of a group of people that is bigger than the one person who is smaller than the group of people which does not like his or her thoughts.

If this cartoonist loses his job, he's going to sue the Post for unlawful termination, because they agreed to print his thoughts. So, congrats, you protesters just made this guy's life alot better by giving him tons of money.

And lastly, this cartoon was not racist. The monkey is not supposed to be President Obama because the President does not write law, he ENACTS law that was drafted by Congress. Congress is the entity that writes the stimulus bill. This cartoon is brilliant because 1) it shines a light on how stupid the people of this country really are, that they know so little about how their own government works, and 2) it lets the reader do all of the work in making the mental leap from chimp to Obama.

The cartoon is not racist, the reader is for associating the chimp with Obama, who, even if he was a chimp, would have no business in writing a stimulus bill because he is not a member of Congress.

This doesn't have anything to do with the First Amendment.

Absolutely nothing.

[The Jays]

This might not be directly a matter of the First Amendment, since the government is not trying to silence him, but is a matter of trying to silence this guy because people do not like what he drew, and that seems wrong to me.

But I stand by that this is not racist, because at no point does the cartoon allude to the chimp being the President of the United States.

[TheMojoPin]

This might not be directly a matter of the First Amendment, since the government is not trying to silence him, but is a matter of trying to silence this guy because people do not like what he drew, and that seems wrong to me.

It may seem that way to you, but people have just as much of a right to voice their opinions on the matter, positive or negative.

And no, it's not a 1st Amendment matter at all, directly or indirectly. It's citizen interraction on the public scene.

[GreatAmericanZero]

whether u guys think its racist or not


i think the cartoonist dodged the bullet. he seems safe and the paper seems like they are going to stick by him. That is important. If it does happen, its the corporation sticking by the artist and i hope its a trend that sticks! News corp. (or whatever Murdoch's corp is called) is big enough to start a trend

[TheMojoPin]

i think the cartoonist dodged the bullet. he seems safe and the paper seems like they are going to stick by him. That is important. If it does happen, its the corporation sticking by the artist and i hope its a trend that sticks! News corp. (or whatever Murdoch's corp is called) is big enough to start a trend

It's not like it's a huge deal if he did get fired.

People flip out when someone like that loses their job over public complaints...but so what? People get fired all the time for client or customer complaints. This is basically the same thing but on a bigger scale. Why would be unacceptable for him to get fired for that, but nobody bats an eye if a sales clerk or an accountant or a mechanic or whatever gets fired becase a customer has a hissy fit and complains until they're fired?

[scottinnj]

When I first saw this, I thought "stimulus package is to Obama as historical comparison of chimps to blacks is the United States" meaning

When you say "stimulus bill" I think President Obama pounding the bully pulpit.

So I figured at first the chimp was to be associated with President Obama, and it was underhandedly racist by comparing our first black president to a chimp.

After considering it, I figured nobody was that stupid, and it probably was to bring to mind "a (fill in the blank) so stupid, only a monkey could've done it"
Which makes the writer a moron, because shouldn't "congress" be written on the chimp's chest then? Or have a balloon over the chimp with the "a bill so bad only a monkey could have written it"?

So I don't think the cartoonist was being racist-he was just being stupid.

[lleeder]

Is there a parody of Al Sharpton shooting a monkey with a cartoon of a monkey being shot in a cartoon in his hand yet? If I could draw I'd put that shit out.

[nukinfuts]

It's more sexist than racist, she's by no means a stupid woman and neither is Hillary. Pelosi on the other hand I can't stand and have to turn off anything that has her speaking because she is such a dirty little liar. Where are the outcries and protests? Oh it's okay to poke fun at women but by all means don't make anyone think you are making a black reference. I don't think the chimp cartoon was racist either I think the whole race angle is a way to keep people from focusing on the true meaning and Obama had zero input in the stimulus bill so why would he be the chimp? Rev. Al just needs to keep his ass in the spotlight the way he always does and I do not see that he advances anything in the black community but feel free to correct me if he's done something altrusitic. How can you take anything he does seriously and I don't know of anyone that believes he speaks or represents the feelings of Black America. Why corporations buckle and give into him is a mystery.

[scottinnj]

It's more sexist than racist, she's by no means a stupid woman and neither is Hillary. Pelosi on the other hand I can't stand and have to turn off anything that has her speaking because she is such a dirty little liar. Where are the outcries and protests? Oh it's okay to poke fun at women but by all means don't make anyone think you are making a black reference. I don't think the chimp cartoon was racist either I think the whole race angle is a way to keep people from focusing on the true meaning and Obama had zero input in the stimulus bill so why would he be the chimp? Rev. Al just needs to keep his ass in the spotlight the way he always does and I do not see that he advances anything in the black community but feel free to correct me if he's done something altrusitic. How can you take anything he does seriously and I don't know of anyone that believes he speaks or represents the feelings of Black America. Why corporations buckle and give into him is a mystery.

Methinks you saw the wrong cartoon.

[A.J.]

Watching TV the other night opened my eyes to long-time racial insensitivity:

http://z.about.com/d/phoenix/1/0/b/b/gorilla.jpg

[MacVittie]

Watching TV the other night opened my eyes to long-time racial insensitivity:

http://z.about.com/d/phoenix/1/0/b/b/gorilla.jpg

Wow, Grant Hill has aged terribly.

[Rab]

well i saw the orginal and it was.."you need to pay your back taxes. who do you think you are..a moon cricket?"

[lleeder]

I think the races are doomed. I was listening to Shade 45 and some guy called in and said that not only should people boycott the Post but if you see a nigga reading the Post you should beat his ass. Then someone else called and said it implies that Obama should be shot and that if that happens at least the community is ready for the war they've been waiting for. All the gangs will unite and do what has to be done. It was really sad to listen to.

[A.J.]

Then someone else called and said it implies that Obama should be shot and that if that happens at least the community is ready for the war they've been waiting for. All the gangs will unite and do what has to be done.

I don't dig that.

http://www.joystiq.com/media/2006/06/cyrus-can-ya-dig-it.jpg

[sailor]

I think the races are doomed. I was listening to Shade 45 and some guy called in and said that not only should people boycott the Post but if you see a nigga reading the Post you should beat his ass. Then someone else called and said it implies that Obama should be shot and that if that happens at least the community is ready for the war they've been waiting for. All the gangs will unite and do what has to be done. It was really sad to listen to.

and your call?

[Pestz4Evah]

Watching TV the other night opened my eyes to long-time racial insensitivity:

http://z.about.com/d/phoenix/1/0/b/b/gorilla.jpg

There actually have been some controversy over that mascot in the past:

"For an obese, black ugly ape to portray a professional African-American basketball player was very offensive," Miller's agent, Jeff Blakely, said. (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-4474344.html)

[TheMojoPin]

There actually have been some controversy over that mascot in the past:

"For an obese, black ugly ape to portray a professional African-American basketball player was very offensive," Miller's agent, Jeff Blakely, said. (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-4474344.html)

It's pretty mean to call a majestic gorilla fat and ugly.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Whatever the case of racism, there is no doubt the cartoon was done in poor taste.

You can take a shit and wipe it on the walls, and people can call that art. But don't rip your own tits off in a panic when some guys with waterhoses comes along and shoots that shit to the sky.

[badmonkey]

These were probably ok tho. (http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/11/20/racist-cartoons-of-condoleezza-rice/)

[underdog]

These were probably ok tho. (http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/11/20/racist-cartoons-of-condoleezza-rice/)

The first one seems racist, but the next two don't seem like there's anything wrong with them.

[dino_electropolis]

Not sure that a cartoon can be rascist.


Now, a cartoonist, on the other hand, could be a grade A bigot.


So i guess my point is that its the artist, not the art.

[A.J.]

Not sure that a cartoon can be rascist.


Now, a cartoonist, on the other hand, could be a grade A bigot.


So i guess my point is that its the artist, not the art.

Exactly. It's the same reason why guns are good.

[dino_electropolis]

Exactly. It's the same reason why guns are good.

WHO is that chick riding that pony in your avatar? Sexy.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

WHO is that chick riding that pony in your avatar? Sexy.

Jennifer Connelly. From Dark Water fame. And inventing the abbots. which nobody saw.

[A.J.]

WHO is that chick riding that pony in your avatar? Sexy.

Jennifer Connelly. She doesn't know it yet but she can't live without me.

[A.J.]

Jennifer Connelly. From Dark Water fame. And inventing the abbots. which nobody saw.

I did. She was a gorgeous tramp in that flick.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

I did. She was a gorgeous tramp in that flick.

That she was sir. That- she- wasssss.

[hammersavage]

I saw inventing the abbots.

[dino_electropolis]

Jennifer Connelly, eh?



Stunning features on this one.


Starting to feel like spring all of a sudden.....

[Ritalin]

..and so the Post felt so bad about the whole thing that they 86'd a dyke:

http://gothamist.com/2009/02/24/post_kicks_liz_smith_to_the_curb.php

[Fez4PrezN2008]

It may not be overtly racist but it shows a negative attitude toward race and Obama's administration. If I saw it on the newstand I would not even stop to give it the time of day. I'm sick of people rooting for other people to fail.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

It may not be overtly racist but it shows a negative attitude toward race and Obama's administration. If I saw it on the newstand I would not even stop to give it the time of day. I'm sick of people rooting for other people to fail.

Especially when it's the fate of their entire country on the line and they're rooting for failure. Hey fuckos, you live here too, you'll be just as fucked as the pinko commies.

[A.J.]

Kobe Bryant is a racist. Let's get Sharpton into action.

Equal parts respected and reviled, Bryant finally emerged from Shaquille O'Neal's massive shadow Sunday. Bryant, the winner of three titles this decade as the sidekick to O'Neal, cemented his place in basketball history Sunday as the unquestioned on-court leader of a championship team and a Finals MVP. His Lakers stomped the Magic, 99-86, to win the series 4-1 and claim the 15th title in franchise history.

"It felt like a big old monkey was off my back," Bryant said.

But the Lakers wanted it more. As Fisher dribbled out the clock, Bryant turned and pumped both fists. Seconds later, the Lakers piled into a group hug. Bryant stood in the middle of it all, minus one big old monkey. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/basketball/nba/06/14/lakers.magic.game.5/index.html?bcnn=yes)

[HBox]

I think that's more age discrimination. Just because Shaq is a little older now doesn't mean he should be mocked.

[PapaBear]

I think that's more age discrimination. Just because Shaq is a little older now doesn't mean he should be mocked.
And he's big.


And he was once in a band (or, "group") with Davey Jones.

[A.J.]

I think that's more age discrimination. Just because Shaq is a little older now doesn't mean he should be mocked.

Unless he was a member of this board.

[Ritalin]

Kobe Bryant is a rapist.

fixed

[Hepcat22]

http://www.nypost.com/delonas/delonas.jpg


Discuss.

No.

[stormy1065]

What the hell does it got to with race. If u had 2 monkeys wearing turbans lying on the beach then yes.

[TheMojoPin]

I'm going to edit the first post. The cartoon this thread was about is long gone. Hottub linked to a daily cartoon rotater that changes with each new one.

[Hottub]

I have to edit the first post, and put in a long term link to the comic in question.
Sorry for the confusion.

[Midkiff]

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m48/jdmidkiff/1255835146927.jpg

[oPant]

Yes

[Hepcat22]

This is on older cartoon. First published just after that chimp mauled the owner's friend - ate her face off and blinded her. Cops had to shoot the "pet" chimp.

[furie]

This is on older cartoon. First published just after that chimp mauled the owner's friend - ate her face off and blinded her. Cops had to shoot the "pet" chimp.

yes, we know that. that's why the thread was first started in 09.

[Dude!]

yes, we know that. that's why the thread was first started in 09.

wow...
you're so mean to people

[Melk]

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m48/jdmidkiff/1255835146927.jpg
No. It is a racist photngraph, not a cartoon.

[Midkiff]

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m48/jdmidkiff/greedy-little-nigger-boy.jpg

[Dude!]

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m48/jdmidkiff/greedy-little-nigger-boy.jpg

that's adorable!

[smiler grogan]

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m48/jdmidkiff/greedy-little-nigger-boy.jpg


They didn't come up with the term piggy bank yet? Money box, how boring is that phrase.