Ronnie B's Tool hatred.

[Slumbag]

He's taken lots of shots over the past few days. Davey too, kinda.
It seems very strange.

You don't have to like Tool, but hating them is odd, because they are fantastic musicians. I was talking to someone about it, and think it has something to do with Bill Hicks (It's the only way we can connect Ronnie and the band).

[underdog]

Ron seems like he doesn't like any sort of prog rock or metal bands (he was trashing Black Sabbath fans the other day). Him not liking Tool does not seem out of character at all.

But Dave doing a Maynard impression today was fucking hilarious and accurate.

[west milly Tom]

Tool FTW!
Why can we not be sober?
I just want to start things over.,,

[Slumbag]

Ron seems like he doesn't like any sort of prog rock or metal bands (he was trashing Black Sabbath fans the other day). Him not liking Tool does not seem out of character at all.

But Dave doing a Maynard impression today was fucking hilarious and accurate.

Yeah, that was pretty funny.


"Progrreeesssssiiiiiiiivvve, yeaaaaahhhhhh".

[SP1!]

Some people have no taste in music, anyone who doesnt like tool just doesnt understand rock at all, great fucking music

[KnoxHarrington]

Why does Ronnie hate Tool? Because, like me, the kind of music he likes was the music that was supposed to rid us of pompous bullshit like Tool.

[Slumbag]

Why does Ronnie hate Tool? Because, like me, the kind of music he likes was the music that was supposed to rid us of pompous bullshit like Tool.

They can be pompous. Because they're great.
Same way Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan and Ronnie B can.

Cause they're the best.

[TooLowBrow]

i know ron likes linkin park
because of his nephew

[SP1!]

Why does Ronnie hate Tool? Because, like me, the kind of music he likes was the music that was supposed to rid us of pompous bullshit like Tool.

Really? Yet he likes people like dylan and cohen. Both great artists but they both have an inflated self worth.

[underdog]

Why does Ronnie hate Tool? Because, like me, the kind of music he likes was the music that was supposed to rid us of pompous bullshit like Tool.

Ronnie just hates music with more than 3 chords.

[TooLowBrow]

Ronnie just hates music with more than 3 chords.

that makes you a bad person?

[underdog]

that makes you a bad person?

Nope, just a different rock fan.

After going to too many Tool concerts, I wish less people liked them. Maybe it would keep the "Ya, dude!"s away and the ticket prices away from the $70 range. I find it so strange that Tool became Jock Rock at some point. It's this intellectual, progressive rock that every flip cupper in the USA started enjoying. It's never made any sense to me.

[Slumbag]

Nope, just a different rock fan.

After going to too many Tool concerts, I wish less people liked them. Maybe it would keep the "Ya, dude!"s away and the ticket prices away from the $70 range. I find it so strange that Tool became Jock Rock at some point. It's this intellectual, progressive rock that every flip cupper in the USA started enjoying. It's never made any sense to me.

Absolutely.
The last show I went to, it was a bunch of fucking hicks.
They were all moshing and doing shit that retarded people do at concerts. Not even listening to the music, just trying to play grab ass with each other.

[PapaBear]

I'm more intrigued by The Simpson's hatred of Arby's.

[SP1!]

Nope, just a different rock fan.

After going to too many Tool concerts, I wish less people liked them. Maybe it would keep the "Ya, dude!"s away and the ticket prices away from the $70 range. I find it so strange that Tool became Jock Rock at some point. It's this intellectual, progressive rock that every flip cupper in the USA started enjoying. It's never made any sense to me.

Yeah I saw that to, it became an event just like a pop concert, I liked them much better playing small to medium sized venues.

[Slumbag]

I'm more intrigued by The Simpson's hatred of Arby's.

Those were some of the best jokes they ever did.

I think they did that back when Arbys was strictly Roast Beef sandwiches and curly fries.

[PapaBear]

Those were some of the best jokes they ever did.

I think they did that back when Arbys was strictly Roast Beef sandwiches and curly fries.
I think they had another one within the past year or so.

[ndr]

Those were some of the best jokes they ever did.

I think they did that back when Arbys was strictly Roast Beef sandwiches and curly fries.

TRUE DAT SLUMMY!!!! (ps - been to the post office to check for pacels since last year? Just asking?:smile:)

[conman823]

I don't get the whole "Sleeves" thing. Yet Ron loves it.

Ron and Norton talking about music drives my nuts.

[Slumbag]

I don't get the whole "Sleeves" thing. Yet Ron loves it.

Ron and Norton talking about music drives my nuts.

http://www.philben.net/images/blog/RobotChicken2.jpg

[Sue_Bender]

I don't get the whole "Sleeves" thing. Yet Ron loves it.

Ron and Norton talking about music drives my nuts.


It's simply that you have different tastes than Ronald B.

He likes good music.

I can see the frustration.

[conman823]

It's simply that you have different tastes than Ronald B.

He likes good music.

I can see the frustration.

Theres some Kool-Aid on the side of your mouth......just.....right there.

[Ricky24]

I am an actual EXPERT on music. Tool is a great, great band. Always reaching for that extra something. A little like Radiohead does it but without so many computers. Maynard is an incredibly gifted musician and song writer. I think the band really nails the concept of listening to an ALBUM as opposed to a song. It is a little weird to sit and play one tool song. Listening to an entire album is terrific at the gym or in the car. "Eulogy" is really the only stand alone song by TOOL that I can think of. Don't take it out on the band when they become as popular as you always hoped they would be and have to play bigger venues to accomodate more tards. When you like a new band, don't you tell all of your friends that they are great and all your friends should listen? Well, that is what happens to bands like TOOL, KINGS OF LEON, BLACK MOTORCYCLE CLUB, BLACK KEYS and even JOHN LEGEND. They are great, you tell everyone who tells everyone and one day you are sitting in the Hollywood Bowl thinking, "This would be so bad ass if it were in a club." Then you realize that the entire idea of selling records and songs is just to say +cardinals -yankees

[Slumbag]

I am an actual EXPERT on music. Tool is a great, great band. Always reaching for that extra something. A little like Radiohead does it but without so many computers. Maynard is an incredibly gifted musician and song writer. I think the band really nails the concept of listening to an ALBUM as opposed to a song. It is a little weird to sit and play one tool song. Listening to an entire album is terrific at the gym or in the car. "Eulogy" is really the only stand alone song by TOOL that I can think of. Don't take it out on the band when they become as popular as you always hoped they would be and have to play bigger venues to accomodate more tards. When you like a new band, don't you tell all of your friends that they are great and all your friends should listen? Well, that is what happens to bands like TOOL, KINGS OF LEON, BLACK MOTORCYCLE CLUB, BLACK KEYS and even JOHN LEGEND. They are great, you tell everyone who tells everyone and one day you are sitting in the Hollywood Bowl thinking, "This would be so bad ass if it were in a club." Then you realize that the entire idea of selling records and songs is just to say +cardinals -yankees

Never thought this was possible.
I love Jay Mohr a little more than I already did.

Hit the nail on the head. The albums are meant to be played as ALBUMS

One of the defining moments of my youth was tripping my nuts off so hard we could barely walk. It was the day Lateralus came out. We turned it on, set the album on repeat, crawled onto my buddies pool cover (live, 5 of us), and stared at the stars and listened to Lateralus over and over.

Greatest high I ever had, man.

[MC Pee Pants]

Maynards Dick....Tool is sweet because they keep their day jobs.

[Chimee]

I am an actual EXPERT on music.

I hear Ron has his own radio show...

[Chimee]

I kinda like Tool and Ronnie doesn't seem to. It's Ron's opinion and I can't understand why anyone would think Ron should or shouldn't like a band. Just like the people that call up about Ashley Madison. I like to listen to the man, but I'm not going to expect him to like the same things as me just because I'm a fan of his. I'm arguing to myself and i should stop.

[Gvac]

Tool gives me a headache.

I don't care what "fantastic musicians" they are; if a band doesn't move me I can't listen to them.

For years people told me what a fantastic guitarist Yngwie Malmsteen was. I'd rather fuck a cactus than listen to him play, though.

[Slumbag]

Tool gives me a headache.




The way this reads to me is:

YOU GODDAMN KIDS AND YOUR LOUD ROCK MUSIC!!!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38052000/jpg/_38052276_chretienap150.jpg

I don't care what "fantastic musicians" they are; if a band doesn't move me I can't listen to them.
Check out Wings for Marie from 10,000 Days. If that doesn't move you, you're made of fucking stone.

[hotshot7D]

Never heard of them.

[PapaBear]

Never heard of them.
What's with the new board name? Did you get banned, or something?

[TjM]

Meh Tool blows

[sailor]

meh, whatever. most of the music mr b. loves does nothing for me. what i found odd was his implying (or perhaps just outright stating) that tool was ripping someone else off. he said something like he'd lived thru the 90s so he heard the original version. i think he was implying they copied from NiN. i love NiN myself, but don't see how tool is copying from their style or anyone else's.

[foodcourtdruide]

He's taken lots of shots over the past few days. Davey too, kinda.
It seems very strange.

You don't have to like Tool, but hating them is odd, because they are fantastic musicians. I was talking to someone about it, and think it has something to do with Bill Hicks (It's the only way we can connect Ronnie and the band).

Why can't we all just respect eachothers different musical tastes? I say that fully aware that I referred to acdc as dogshit the other day.

[GreatAmericanZero]

love TOOL, love A Perfect Circle (Pusifier hasnt done anything for me though)

my only criticism of TOOL is that i wish they were more creative with their setlist when they do a concert. It seems like they play the same songs over and over again. I'm not going to see them in concert again unless i hear they are doing some deeper stuff

cuz if i hear Schism again i'll shoot myself in the head

[kdubya]

Not a Tool fan, but wonder why you need Ron to like what you like. I love RUSH and Ron hates them, but that doesn't bother me.

[ecobag2]

Tool is good.

That whole naked and fealess thing on Undertow aside. Oh and the hidden track at the end. C'mon.

Aenima is one of my perfect flawless fucking albums though. I'll always throw that on the list. Doesn't mean Ron's not entitled to his fucked up opinion and nothing's beyond making fun of ... so I hope to catch it this weekend.

[underdog]

my only criticism of TOOL is that i wish they were more creative with their setlist when they do a concert. It seems like they play the same songs over and over again. I'm not going to see them in concert again unless i hear they are doing some deeper stuff

cuz if i hear Schism again i'll shoot myself in the head

It got really bad there for a while. I went to see them and all they played were their radio hits. It was so boring.

But the last show I saw them, they were amazing. They even played Flood. That kicked ass.

[badorties]

Why does Ronnie hate Tool? Because, like me, the kind of music he likes was the music that was supposed to rid us of pompous bullshit like Tool.

They can be pompous. Because they're great.
Same way Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan and Ronnie B can.

Cause they're the best.

i'll put tool and rush in the same boat ... don't care for either one bit, and their reported mastery of instruments annoy me even more

[TjM]

Not a Tool fan, but wonder why you need Ron to like what you like. I love RUSH and Ron hates them, but that doesn't bother me.

Ron probably hates just about everything I like

[rexdart]

Tool gives me a headache.

I don't care what "fantastic musicians" they are; if a band doesn't move me I can't listen to them.

For years people told me what a fantastic guitarist Yngwie Malmsteen was. I'd rather fuck a cactus than listen to him play, though.

i think i speak for everyone when i say that i'd pay to see you fuck a cactus. no homo.

[lleeder]

I miss opiate/undertow tool. They were the best.

[sailor]

Tool gives me a headache.

I don't care what "fantastic musicians" they are; if a band doesn't move me I can't listen to them.
is anyone supposed to be surprised by this?




For years people told me what a fantastic guitarist Yngwie Malmsteen was. I'd rather fuck a cactus than listen to him play, though.
i don't think even people who were impressed with his talent thought he made good "music" which is a huge difference. reminds me of some german metal band a friend used to like to mention sounded like 4 guys all soloing at the same time. who cares if you have great talent if it doesn't come together? i need to find out the name of that group.

[Bob Impact]

I don't hate Tool but they really aren't all that good, every album, song and side project sounds exactly the same.

[Kublakhan61]

Ronnie just hates music with more than 3 chords.

Weird, I heard he was really into Magma...

[GreatAmericanZero]

It got really bad there for a while. I went to see them and all they played were their radio hits. It was so boring.

But the last show I saw them, they were amazing. They even played Flood. That kicked ass.

hmmm..thats cool. It sucks that their tickets sell-out so fast or whenever they toured i'd check the setlists online and decide if its a show i want to go to

[utriculus!]

I can't stand Tool. I laughed at the jab.

[TheMojoPin]

Not a Tool fan. I don't actively hate them or anything, but I definitely prefer the "less is more" side of things. I do still really love that first Perfect Circle song.

I can see why bashing them would be a great bit just to get the rabid Tool uberfans segment of their fanbase into a frenzy. Those guys go bonkers if anyone dares to speak ill of Tool and it's pretty goddamn hilarious when they do.

[underdog]

Ron's comments weren't really that harsh.

And the fact that he compared Tool to Radiohead and NIN leads me to believe he was either kidding or really doesn't know much about that type of music.

It's sort of like how I think all country or junkie rock sounds exactly the same. To a fan, it probably doesn't, but it sounds the same to me.

I also hadn't listened to Friday's show when I made the 3 chord joke and then heard Ronnie make the same joke.

[hammersavage]

Ron once said 'I couldn't possibly hate all of the things I say I do. I just love to bust balls.'

Sometimes, its easy to tell the difference and sometimes its not.

[Sue_Bender]

Theres some Kool-Aid on the side of your mouth......just.....right there.

Nope.

It's grape cum.

[Freakshow]

Ron once said 'I couldn't possibly hate all of the things I say I do. I just love to bust balls.'

Sometimes, its easy to tell the difference and sometimes its not.

shhhh. you'll ruin it...

[biozombie]

I love Black Sabbath and one of the best laughs I had all week was when Ronnie B. was smashing Sabbath fans. Some of you fucks really need to stop taking shit so seriously.

Oh yeah, and Tool is amazingly awful.

[Slumbag]

my only criticism of TOOL is that i wish they were more creative with their setlist when they do a concert. It seems like they play the same songs over and over again. I'm not going to see them in concert again unless i hear they are doing some deeper stuff

cuz if i hear Schism again i'll shoot myself in the head
It's the fucking fans. I saw them like, two years ago and people were bitching cause they didn't play Sober.
That came out in like, '93.


Oh yeah, and Tool is amazingly awful.
Do you have an ABBA sig pic? :lol:

[ecobag2]

I'd rather fuck a cactus than listen to him play, though.

A good cactus drubbing is high on my list as a matter of fact.

[Ricky24]

+ cardinals
- yankees

[spoon]

Hack!

[biozombie]

Do you have an ABBA sig pic? :lol:

ABBA was 10 times more progressive than Tool, plus I'd fuck at least 50% of ABBA.

[Slumbag]

ABBA was 10 times more progressive than Tool, plus I'd fuck at least 50% of ABBA.

You don'y have to convince me

Dancing Queen>Third Eye any day.

:sarcasm:

[Hottub]

I guess I'll be returning the Craftsman gift card I was going to bring him.

[ca14129]

I guess I'll be returning the Craftsman gift card I was going to bring him.

i was seriously wondering when i saw this thread last night just how r.b. could even have a notion for hating a set of wrenches or a drill....

-r

[Freakshow]

ABBA was 10 times more progressive than Tool, plus I'd fuck at least 50% of ABBA.

it's a shame they didn't kick those worthless broads out, it would have upped your percentage...

[Nothing Sound]

I know a lot of people that don't like TOOL.

I also know a lot of STUPID people.

[biozombie]

it's a shame they didn't kick those worthless broads out, it would have upped your percentage...

Touche, buddy, touche.

[GreatAmericanZero]

btw, in the history of music videos, TOOL has the best

so creepy

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[Dirtybird12]

i'll put tool and rush in the same boat ...

and then lets blow a huge fucking hole in the boat and let it sink to the bottom of the sea:wacko:

[TheMojoPin]

btw, in the history of music videos, TOOL has the best

so creepy

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So "good" they just repeated it again and again and again.

[toolshed]

If you don't like Tool because it just isn't your cup of tea or style or whatever...that is cool. Everybody gets their own opinions...for God's sake Coldplay is popular. But it's ludicrous to say they just repeat themselves or have no emotion to the music.

I'm guessing that those that hate them listened to the few sub-5 minute radio songs they have had and didn't really investigate much further. The arrangements and instrumentation of their albums are amazing and borrow much more from classical music and mathematics than NIN or Radiohead. Offset by Manynards vocals, I think it is some of the most original and emotive music that has been out in the last 20 years.

That being said, Lou Reed blows. And the colored girls say...

[Kublakhan61]

btw, in the history of music videos, TOOL has the best

so creepy



See the stop-motion animation of the Brothers Quay for more in this style. Their work is obviously highly influential on these tool videos.

[Bob Impact]

If you don't like Tool because it just isn't your cup of tea or style or whatever...that is cool. Everybody gets their own opinions...for God's sake Coldplay is popular. But it's ludicrous to say they just repeat themselves or have no emotion to the music.

I'm guessing that those that hate them listened to the few sub-5 minute radio songs they have had and didn't really investigate much further. The arrangements and instrumentation of their albums are amazing and borrow much more from classical music and mathematics than NIN or Radiohead. Offset by Manynards vocals, I think it is some of the most original and emotive music that has been out in the last 20 years.

That being said, Lou Reed blows. And the colored girls say...

You almost had me with you until you said Lou Reed blows... seriously, Tool isn't even anywhere near Lou Reed's league. Repetitive isn't always a bad thing, I LOVE Hatebreed but every album they've ever done sounds the same.
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This does not show a tremendous amount of musical growth, sorry.

[underdog]

You almost had me with you until you said Lou Reed blows... seriously, Tool isn't even anywhere near Lou Reed's league. Repetitive isn't always a bad thing, I LOVE Hatebreed but every album they've ever done sounds the same.
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This does not show a tremendous amount of musical growth, sorry.

Whaaaaat?

There's plenty of songs you could have picked that sort of sound the same, but The Pot and Sober sound nothing like each other.

Tool seems to have stalled at their current sound, however. Their last two albums 10,000 Days and Lateralus sound very similar in spots.

Plus, their growth from Undertow to Aenima was incredible. If you don't hear musical growth between those two albums, you're just not listening.

[Bob Impact]

Whaaaaat?

There's plenty of songs you could have picked that sort of sound the same, but The Pot and Sober sound nothing like each other.

Tool seems to have stalled at their current sound, however. Their last two albums 10,000 Days and Lateralus sound very similar in spots.

Plus, their growth from Undertow to Aenima was incredible. If you don't hear musical growth between those two albums, you're just not listening.

I think I had picked out different songs at first and pasted the wrong links, oh well, I sat and rocked out to Sober for a while.

[toolshed]

The Lou Reed thing was a bit of a joke...though he is certainly not my favorite artist, especially from that era.

But I think people get caught up in the superficial "sound" of a group and may miss what is actual growth. Sure, the distortion on Tool Albums has been essentially the same from Aenema to now, so if you are playing a Dropped D chord from one album it will sound like the D chord from the most recent album. And Dropped D tuning automatically has a signature sound to it, which is one of its flaws to me. I wish they would experiment with some other tunings, actually. Danny Carey is a monster on the drums and wants to flex his ability, so you are always going to have a drummer playing parts in 5/6 time when everyone else is in 3/4. So I can see that a quick glance at some of these signatures for the band that have endured would appear to be repeating the same thing over and over, but I think that they are just part of the inherent physical sound of the band, and don't necessarily represent the whole of the music.

Early albums like Opiate and Undertow show a fairly basic verse/chorus/bridge song structure that you would expect from a garage-type band. But from Aenema on, I think you can hear a shift to musical movements like classical that change the characteristics within the songs dramatically. Sometimes there are no clearly defined verses or choruses, so that you only focus on where the song is taking you in the present moment. These shifts are what create drama, tension, and emotion. Its kinda like a advanced version of what the Pixies did with their quiet/loud/quiet/loud forumula.

But, at the same time, I was just listening to the Humpty Dance on my I-pod, so i may not be the best judge.

[Bob Impact]

The Lou Reed thing was a bit of a joke...though he is certainly not my favorite artist, especially from that era.

But I think people get caught up in the superficial "sound" of a group and may miss what is actual growth. Sure, the distortion on Tool Albums has been essentially the same from Aenema to now, so if you are playing a Dropped D chord from one album it will sound like the D chord from the most recent album. And Dropped D tuning automatically has a signature sound to it, which is one of its flaws to me. I wish they would experiment with some other tunings, actually. Danny Carey is a monster on the drums and wants to flex his ability, so you are always going to have a drummer playing parts in 5/6 time when everyone else is in 3/4. So I can see that a quick glance at some of these signatures for the band that have endured would appear to be repeating the same thing over and over, but I think that they are just part of the inherent physical sound of the band, and don't necessarily represent the whole of the music.

Early albums like Opiate and Undertow show a fairly basic verse/chorus/bridge song structure that you would expect from a garage-type band. But from Aenema on, I think you can hear a shift to musical movements like classical that change the characteristics within the songs dramatically. Sometimes there are no clearly defined verses or choruses, so that you only focus on where the song is taking you in the present moment. These shifts are what create drama, tension, and emotion. Its kinda like a advanced version of what the Pixies did with their quiet/loud/quiet/loud forumula.

But, at the same time, I was just listening to the Humpty Dance on my I-pod, so i may not be the best judge.

Again, fair enough.

I'm really coming across as Anti-Tool in this thread, I don't hate or even dislike the band, I just disagree with the "BEST BAND EVAR!" assessments. And I'm listening to Opeth atm so I may be the greatest judge ever. :lol:

[toolshed]

Again, fair enough.

I'm really coming across as Anti-Tool in this thread, I don't hate or even dislike the band, I just disagree with the "BEST BAND EVAR!" assessments. And I'm listening to Opeth atm so I may be the greatest judge ever. :lol:

No worries. I think I use to be a "greatest band ever" guy for them, but that had more to do with the time in my life that I discovered them than anything else. I still am high on how great they are at what they are, and I think in the realm that they are delegated to, they are one of the best. But you know, times and tastes change.

More than anything, I just like discussing that kind of stuff.

[Bob Impact]

No worries. I think I use to be a "greatest band ever" guy for them, but that had more to do with the time in my life that I discovered them than anything else. I still am high on how great they are at what they are, and I think in the realm that they are delegated to, they are one of the best. But you know, times and tastes change.

More than anything, I just like discussing that kind of stuff.
I think it depends on your definition of their realm, if you stick them with NiN and Radiohead then yes, they are the best to me, if you expand it to "metal" I would put a huge number of bands ahead of them (Sabbath, Maiden, Opeth, Lamb of God, Devin Townsend to start the list).

Although, I used to think Guns 'n' Roses was the best band ever so I definitely have no place in any discussion.

[The Nature Boy]

Tool is like the modern day Rush for all you warriors out there.

[toolshed]

I think it depends on your definition of their realm, if you stick them with NiN and Radiohead then yes, they are the best to me, if you expand it to "metal" I would put a huge number of bands ahead of them (Sabbath, Maiden, Opeth, Lamb of God, Devin Townsend to start the list).

Although, I used to think Guns 'n' Roses was the best band ever so I definitely have no place in any discussion.

True, I guess you have to specify a little. I wouldn't put them right next to Sabbath as far as style, and you also have to account for generational differences. Sabbath and Maiden owe more to the blues than anything else, as far as musical stylings. I guess they are kinda in the vein of LOG and Opeth. Don't know any Devin Townsend. I personally like Tool better than the other two, but that gets back to the personal choice stuff. I like the offset of the heavy music with the more ethereal vocal stuff. Essentially, I like heavy music without screamo vocals.

And there is nothing wrong with GNR, for what they are, either. :clap: I haven't listened to Axl's new album yet, I just can bring myself to ruin my perceptions...

[toolshed]

Tool is like the modern day Rush for all you warriors out there.

That's funny, I hear that a lot in this type of discussion; but I absolutely DESPISE Rush. For all the crap I said about Tool's musicality, I just can't stomach the same argument for Rush. I know they are supposed to be good, but I never connected. I think it is mostly Geddy Lee.

[Bob Impact]

That's funny, I hear that a lot in this type of discussion; but I absolutely DESPISE Rush. For all the crap I said about Tool's musicality, I just can't stomach the same argument for Rush. I know they are supposed to be good, but I never connected. I think it is mostly Geddy Lee.

I love Rush, but mainly because their philosophy and mine sync up very well.

Devin Townsend:
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Townsend's "Other" Band, Strapping Young Lad:
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[underdog]

Tool is like the modern day Rush for all you warriors out there.

My other favorite band, Coheed & Cambria, gets connected to Rush all the time, as well. I think that's way more fitting than Tool & Rush.

[The Nature Boy]

That's funny, I hear that a lot in this type of discussion; but I absolutely DESPISE Rush. For all the crap I said about Tool's musicality, I just can't stomach the same argument for Rush. I know they are supposed to be good, but I never connected. I think it is mostly Geddy Lee.

I don't say so dispargingly, I can appreciate moments of music with both bands, but the culture and audience about them seem to be this feverty devoted and nerdy branch of the music tree. Were I an artist, it would be the audience I crave. I'd put hardcore ACDC guys in the same realm, but DC concerts are a little more balanced due to their massive crossover success.

[SP1!]

No worries. I think I use to be a "greatest band ever" guy for them, but that had more to do with the time in my life that I discovered them than anything else. I still am high on how great they are at what they are, and I think in the realm that they are delegated to, they are one of the best. But you know, times and tastes change.

More than anything, I just like discussing that kind of stuff.

Greatest band ever is kind of strong but they are good, and Opiate was always great no matter if you were tripping or in the gym.

Also rush has to be seen live to understand, they put on one of the most amazing live shows, I like them but Im not gonna run out and buy every album.

[dino_electropolis]

Hear ya go.


Tool is an amazing band, that puts out amazing music. Maynard has one of, if not THE best voices in rock.

If you are familiar with Tool, you dig em.

If you are not, then you are scared of them for some sad reason.


Also, lyrically, possibly the best around!

If Maynard were to get into a fight with Ronnie, i'm droppin a boot to the back of ronnie's head.

I hope it never gets to that.

[toolshed]

Hear ya go.


Tool is an amazing band, that puts out amazing music. Maynard has one of, if not THE best voices in rock.

If you are familiar with Tool, you dig em.

If you are not, then you are scared of them for some sad reason.


Also, lyrically, possibly the best around!

If Maynard were to get into a fight with Ronnie, i'm droppin a boot to the back of ronnie's head.

I hope it never gets to that.

:lol: Maynard would need the help. He's such a teeny lil fella.

I agree about Coheed and Cambria/Rush comparison. And I don't mind listening to CAC so much. Maybe I was touched when I was a child while Moving Pictures was playing in the background. It really is a disproportionate amount of hatred for Rush that I have.

All these bands really do get a rabid fanbase from certain people, and as an artist, that has to be pretty gratifying. Tool definitely gets some fratguy bleedover just because of the sheer agression, but what can ya do?

[dino_electropolis]

:lol: Maynard would need the help. He's such a teeny lil fella.

I agree about Coheed and Cambria/Rush comparison. And I don't mind listening to CAC so much. Maybe I was touched when I was a child while Moving Pictures was playing in the background. It really is a disproportionate amount of hatred for Rush that I have.

All these bands really do get a rabid fanbase from certain people, and as an artist, that has to be pretty gratifying. Tool definitely gets some fratguy bleedover just because of the sheer agression, but what can ya do?

I agree with my hatred for Rush. My bassist (of course) loves them, and there are a few tunes that i find tolerable, but for the most part, it just sounds dated and cheesy.


Gimme "46&2" followed by a little "Opiate", and i'm livin!

[paulisded]

If you are familiar with Tool, you dig em.

If you are not, then you are scared of them for some sad reason.



No

[Bob Impact]

If you are familiar with Tool, you dig em.

If you are not, then you are scared of them for some sad reason.

Also, lyrically, possibly the best around!

If Maynard were to get into a fight with Ronnie, i'm droppin a boot to the back of ronnie's head.

I hope it never gets to that.
For just a few shining moments this thread didn't suck, too fanboyish.

[dino_electropolis]

For just a few shining moments this thread didn't suck, too fanboyish.

Thanks BOB!

[Bob Impact]

Thanks BOB!

:wub:
I realized 1/2 way through that post it was too much for how I actually feel about it. I'm cranky today.

[Sue_Bender]

That being said, Lou Reed blows. And the colored girls say...


Lou Reed blows Tool away.

[Dirtbag]

There's one part of me that wishes I cared this much about music and another that's extremely relieved that I don't.

[underdog]

There's one part of me that wishes I cared this much about music and another that's extremely relieved that I don't.

Everyone has passions.

[lleeder]

Everyone has passions.

For me Passions is my passion. (http://www.nbc.com/Passions/)

[Bob Impact]

For me Passions is my passion. (http://www.nbc.com/Passions/)

I have entusiasms.

[paulisded]

For me Passions is my passion. (http://www.nbc.com/Passions/)

That reminds me - I need to watch that porn with the Passions chick that I downloaded.

[toolshed]

Lou Reed blows Tool away.

Sorry, don't see it. I can appreciate some of his stuff, but for the most part Lou Reed was about everything that went in around the music. The hipness of the Underground, the fashion, the high-profile affiliations with others like Bowie. He has a few flashes of real brilliance in a few melodies and lyrics, but the entirety of his catalogue doesn't compare to most of the others of even his era. But he was a junkie and an outsider, so it is always more hip to claim to be a Lou Reed fan than not.

He's an icon, but he ain't that great.

[Bob Impact]

Sorry, don't see it. I can appreciate some of his stuff, but for the most part Lou Reed was about everything that went in around the music. The hipness of the Underground, the fashion, the high-profile affiliations with others like Bowie. He has a few flashes of real brilliance in a few melodies and lyrics, but the entirety of his catalogue doesn't compare to most of the others of even his era. But he was a junkie and an outsider, so it is always more hip to claim to be a Lou Reed fan than not.

He's an icon, but he ain't that great.

You're incredibly wrong...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/90/RocknRollAnimal.jpg

[Sue_Bender]

Sorry, don't see it. I can appreciate some of his stuff, but for the most part Lou Reed was about everything that went in around the music. The hipness of the Underground, the fashion, the high-profile affiliations with others like Bowie. He has a few flashes of real brilliance in a few melodies and lyrics, but the entirety of his catalogue doesn't compare to most of the others of even his era. But he was a junkie and an outsider, so it is always more hip to claim to be a Lou Reed fan than not.

He's an icon, but he ain't that great.


I'll agree. His SOLO work is certainly uneven...

but all I meant was that he's better than Tool.

I could have said, "The Spin Doctors blow Tool away". :wink:

[toolshed]

I'll agree. His SOLO work is certainly uneven...

but all I meant was that he's better than Tool.

I could have said, "The Spin Doctors blow Tool away". :wink:

Well now you are just being silly, Miss.

If he had only put out Rock and Roll Animal....I'd like him a lot more. The rest is too pretentious for the quality. It's a million dollar sale for a hundred dollar product.

The more I have this argument, the more I have to believe it starts to divide along the "era you grew up in" lines. I'm sure my grandfather would say the Duke Ellington owns Tool too.

[Sue_Bender]

Well now you are just being silly, Miss.

If he had only put out Rock and Roll Animal....I'd like him a lot more. The rest is too pretentious for the quality. It's a million dollar sale for a hundred dollar product.

The more I have this argument, the more I have to believe it starts to divide along the "era you grew up in" lines. I'm sure my grandfather would say the Duke Ellington owns Tool too.

I have a special affection for Lou Reed, but it doesn't matter to me if anyone else cares about him.

I've given up trying to push any of my musical tastes on others. Either you like someone or you don't. To each his own, I suppose.

I was indeed being silly, Tooly. :happy:

[toolshed]

I have a special affection for Lou Reed, but it doesn't matter to me if anyone else cares about him.

I've given up trying to push any of my musical tastes on others. Either you like someone or you don't. To each his own, I suppose.

I was indeed being silly, Tooly. :happy:

I know...:smile:...and you are right about trying to change people's musical tastes. Sometimes people are just not gonna like something, and sometimes they have to be at the right point of their life to have a different perspective. Maybe in 10 years I'll be the biggest Lou Reed and Rush fan ever known. If that happens, I may have to swallow a big bottle of barbs, though.

I just like hearing people defend their tastes. It is always interesting, since noone can really qualitatively say "this is better than this." Although I do say that all the time...:smoke:

[Bob Impact]

Well now you are just being silly, Miss.

If he had only put out Rock and Roll Animal....I'd like him a lot more. The rest is too pretentious for the quality. It's a million dollar sale for a hundred dollar product.

The more I have this argument, the more I have to believe it starts to divide along the "era you grew up in" lines. I'm sure my grandfather would say the Duke Ellington owns Tool too.

Odd to say that, considering Rock and Roll animal is a live album of his other material. And I find Tool intensely pretentious personally.

[Death Metal Moe]

Who cares what Ron likes? You hear the kind of music he has played as openers and the kind of music he always talks about liking. Tool doesn't fit into that category.

My personal opinion on Tool is they bore me after awhile. Owned all their albums a few years ago and sold them, which is odd for me because I usually never get rid of music but I didn't even want to own their CDs anymore.

Musicianship, or the ability to play your instrument doesn't mean you're a songwriter that connects with a large group of people. And while Tool isn't in any danger of going bankrupt, there are some people who will hate ANYTHING.

Ron hates them. I love Ronnie but I listen to what I like, he can too.

[Sue_Bender]

I know...:smile:...and you are right about trying to change people's musical tastes. Sometimes people are just not gonna like something, and sometimes they have to be at the right point of their life to have a different perspective. Maybe in 10 years I'll be the biggest Lou Reed and Rush fan ever known. If that happens, I may have to swallow a big bottle of barbs, though.

I just like hearing people defend their tastes. It is always interesting, since noone can really qualitatively say "this is better than this." Although I do say that all the time...:smoke:

Exactly.

Rush?! Okay, let's not lose our minds here. :tongue:

[Death Metal Moe]

I'll fight over Rush. They just fucking suck uncut Columbian cock, no questions asked. The fact that they have one of the most technically celebrated drummers in the world backs up my earlier point.

If I ever meet Getty Lee I'm going to spit on the ground in front of him.

[Bob Impact]

I'll fight over Rush. They just fucking suck uncut Columbian cock, no questions asked. The fact that they have one of the most technically celebrated drummers in the world backs up my earlier point.

If I ever meet Getty Lee I'm going to spit on the ground in front of him.

That's it, we're fighting.

[Death Metal Moe]

That's it, we're fighting.

How about WoW duel?

[Sue_Bender]

I'll fight over Rush. They just fucking suck uncut Columbian cock, no questions asked. The fact that they have one of the most technically celebrated drummers in the world backs up my earlier point.

If I ever meet Getty Lee I'm going to spit on the ground in front of him.


My hatred for Rush is crippling.

[Bob Impact]

How about WoW duel?

My Death Knight, Vek'nilash, out front of Org, noon server, be there, roar.

[Death Metal Moe]

My Death Knight, Vek'nilash, out front of Org, noon server, be there, roar.

http://www.killsometime.com/Pictures/images/Pic1162.jpg

[toolshed]

Who cares what Ron likes? You hear the kind of music he has played as openers and the kind of music he always talks about liking. Tool doesn't fit into that category.

My personal opinion on Tool is they bore me after awhile. Owned all their albums a few years ago and sold them, which is odd for me because I usually never get rid of music but I didn't even want to own their CDs anymore.

Musicianship, or the ability to play your instrument doesn't mean you're a songwriter that connects with a large group of people. And while Tool isn't in any danger of going bankrupt, there are some people who will hate ANYTHING.

Ron hates them. I love Ronnie but I listen to what I like, he can too.

I think this thread turned off the "Why doesn't Ron like them" after just a few posts. Now we are on the "Tool is queer" or "Tool makes the earth rotate" kinda thread. :tongue:

And Bob--the fact that I like just Rock and Roll Animal is kinda myy point...I think he has a few great pieces, surrounded by mounds of mediocrity (I don't mean that harshly, just an opinion). I don't want to sit here and bash Lou Reed all day, it just happened to be one of the artists brought up earlier.

And I kinda agree about Tool being pretentious too. I just happen to think they back it up a little better than Reed. I like the perceived rejection of the record and radio industry that they put forth, even though it is not entirely accurate. Again, that probably has something to do with the time that I was getting into them, you know, fight the MAAAAAAN.

And just for the trifecta...Rush blows....:lol:

[biozombie]

My hatred for Rush is crippling.

Forgive me if it's been mentioned before, but have you heard the Rush song "Trees"? You see, it a song about how there's all of these trees in the forest & they don't get along. It's pretty deep, if you listen to the lyrics.


*giggle*

[Bob Impact]

Forgive me if it's been mentioned before, but have you heard the Rush song "Trees"? You see, it a song about how there's all of these trees in the forest & they don't get along. It's pretty deep, if you listen to the lyrics.


*giggle*

I love the message of that song, the idea that equality is normally achieved by destroying the strong, but good fuck that song is terrible and weird.

[Freakshow]

I'd say Tool equates more to a modern Yes more than a modern Rush.

[paulisded]

I'd say Tool equates more to a modern Yes more than a modern Rush.

That's not helping. :)

I don't quite get why anybody cares what Ron or anybody else thinks about an artist, and I have these same thoughts whenever the action/comic book movie crowd gets so pissed when he talks about his hatred of those movies. I don't really like Tool that much...big deal. They're a talented band, but they're not really my thing. I've heard all their albums, and even saw them in concert a few years ago (thanks to a comp ticket), but I'll never purposely listen to them.

As for Lou Reed, my love for him has nothing to do with jumping on any bandwagon. I first checked him out in the late 70's mainly because of articles in Creem and the fact that so many of the punk bands of that time namechecked him as an influence. I fell in love with the Velvet's material, and later moved on to his solo material. Yeah, he's had some lackluster moments, but who hasn't? Dylan had his bad eras, but that doesn't negate the quality of the classics. I'd rather follow somebody who is not afraid to make mistakes for the sake of their art (and I'm not saying that Tool doesn't take chances).

[Freakshow]

That's not helping. :)


Why should I help? I think Ron pretty much ended all discussion relating to his dislike of the band, and why people really shouldn't care about it.

And i've bought two albums in my life on the day they came out, one was Ænima and the other was Lateralus. I went at midnight to buy Ænima...

[paulisded]

Why should I help? I think Ron pretty much ended all discussion relating to his dislike of the band, and why people really shouldn't care about it.

And i've bought two albums in my life on the day they came out, one was Ænima and the other was Lateralus. I went at midnight to buy Ænima...

It was just a joke.

[RapistWit]

Tool had a good first album and then made it over and over again. Talk about no musical progression over more than a decade. There is nothing really wrong with tool but if you've heard one song then you've heard them all. The Ramones basically did the same thing and made a pretty good career out of it as well.

[underdog]

Tool had a good first album and then made it over and over again. Talk about no musical progression over more than a decade. There is nothing really wrong with tool but if you've heard one song then you've heard them all. The Ramones basically did the same thing and made a pretty good career out of it as well.

Opiate and 10,000 Days sound nothing alike.

[GreatAmericanZero]

they progressed a lot, i think each album is distinctive. Their songs have definitley gotten more progressive and epic through their career

[Hammond Eggars]

Tool had a good first album and then made it over and over again. Talk about no musical progression over more than a decade. There is nothing really wrong with tool but if you've heard one song then you've heard them all. The Ramones basically did the same thing and made a pretty good career out of it as well.

Yeah, the last time I saw Tool I thought, this is just like the Ramones.

[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, the last time I saw Tool I thought, this is just like the Ramones.

Good point. It's unfair to expect Tool to achieve such heights.

[Hammond Eggars]

Good point. It's unfair to expect Tool to achieve such heights.

Hey! Ho! Parabol!

[TheMojoPin]

Hey! Ho! Parabol!

Hah! Now THAT sounds promising.

[Gaia]

Opiate and 10,000 Days sound nothing alike.

My two cents; I think each album has been a great progression from one to the other. I feel like thier albums are similar to a film...from beginning to end to get the feel. Each evolving throughout.
I have also looked forward to ANY videos they put out and thier CD packaging...

Tool has been one of my favorite bands for years and years. they just do it for me, and of course, everyone has the right to say yay or ney. thats what makes the world go 'round.

[TheMojoPin]

Chevelle has never not been a shity band, but before they went all uber-nu-metal/emo, I remember seeing this on 120 Minutes and being stunned how blatantly EVERYTHING was ripping off Tool into a really shitty watered-down version. They weren't trying to hide it at all!

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[sailor]

i've thought that about every chevelle song i've heard (2 or 3?).

[Dougie Brootal]

Chevelle has never not been a shity band, but before they went all uber-nu-metal/emo, I remember seeing this on 120 Minutes and being stunned how blatantly EVERYTHING was ripping off Tool into a really shitty watered-down version. They weren't trying to hide it at all!

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that was atrocious...



























































even by my standards...

[RapistWit]

Didn't Chevelle do a note for note rip off of the Deftone's "Be Quiet and Drive" on "Send the Pain Below"?

[underdog]

Chevelle has never not been a shity band, but before they went all uber-nu-metal/emo, I remember seeing this on 120 Minutes and being stunned how blatantly EVERYTHING was ripping off Tool into a really shitty watered-down version. They weren't trying to hide it at all!

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I've always been a fan of Chevelle, and now I know why (although their new stuff isn't very good).

The band Hurt owes a lot to Tool, as well.

[Slumbag]

Chevelle has never not been a shity band, but before they went all uber-nu-metal/emo, I remember seeing this on 120 Minutes and being stunned how blatantly EVERYTHING was ripping off Tool into a really shitty watered-down version. They weren't trying to hide it at all!

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My friends tried to sell me the whole "If you like Tool, you'll love Chevelle" thing a few years back.
The guy kinda sounded like Maynard, but the lyrics seem as if they were written by a teenage girl.