Police officer wallops 15-year-old chick for kicking shoe

[Gerald]

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Everybody's outraged over this.

[hammersavage]

Who throws a shoe? I mean really.

[lleeder]

That hair pull from the wall to the floor had to hurt.

[Kublakhan61]

Everybody's outraged over this.

And they should be.
These cops are beating on a 15 year old girl.
This gives police a bad name and perpetuates the notion that police abuse their power.

[Gerald]

Who throws a shoe? I mean really.

The guy at the Bush press conference. He threw it with much more malice but got treated with less brute force by the Secret Service.

On one hand the cop clearly went over the top in his response and his behavior warrants dismissal and/or prosecution, but on the other hand the chick must live a destructive lifestyle if she's in jail at 15 so maybe having some sense literally knocked into her will straighten her out. Unless this was a matter where she was taken into custody on flimsy chargers that didn't stick.

[cougarjake13]

seemed a bit excessive

[hammersavage]

Do they have cams in every cell? I'd love to see some caged heat.

[hammersavage]

seemed a bit obsessive

and excessive.

edit-i'm too quick, punk

[Gerald]

She was there on a carjacker beef.

Not exactly a Snickers bar shoplifter.

[midwestjeff]

but on the other hand the chick must live a destructive lifestyle if she's in jail at 15 so maybe having some sense literally knocked into her will straighten her out.

Even if she killed 25 people there is no excuse for him abusing her that way.

It's not the cop's job to provide a "staightening out".

Fuck that scumbag.

[Sinestro]

You think more people might want to become police officers after watching the ad that played at the same time of the video? WTF was that shit about.

[disneyspy]

chris brown fever is spreadin
that wasnt a cop,that was a corrections officer,they suck

[booster11373]

She was all ready in a cell the officers life certainly was not threatened by the shoe the situation could have easily been diffused by just closing the door

[TheMojoPin]

Fuckin' hacks.

[underdog]

Looks justified to me, Gerald.

[Farmer Dave]

I'd like to see what happened in the hour or so before that, but ya, slam the door on the bitch and let her sit. I'm guessing he'll get some discipline of his own.

I am curious, would your opinion be any different if it was a male thug? I'll admit,mine would.

[MacVittie]

they should have had a female cop deal with her, the perception would be totally different if Madea had knocked her the fuck out.

[SP1!]

You think more people might want to become police officers after watching the ad that played at the same time of the video? WTF was that shit about.

Yeah I saw that too, I was like, where do I sign up!!!?

Looked excessive but come on, did you see the beginning of the tape? I would like to see the whole incident leading up to that, she seems very cunty when she goes into the cell, maybe she had started shit outside the cell and this guy just lost it.

Not saying its right but everyone has a bad day and maybe she just got on his last nerve.

[Kublakhan61]

I'd like to see what happened in the hour or so before that, but ya, slam the door on the bitch and let her sit. I'm guessing he'll get some discipline of his own.

I am curious, would your opinion be any different if it was a male thug? I'll admit,mine would.

If that male thug were 15? No, same reaction from me. The police are employed to protect and serve the pubic - this in no way benefits the public.

[SP1!]

If that male thug were 15? No, same reaction from me. The police are employed to protect and serve the pubic - this in no way benefits the public.
Well if he was 15 he would have been bigger than the cop, granted this guy is over the top but some kids need to get a beat down, simply because they are arrogant and their parents do nothing to correct their behavior. I blame the coddling nature that is prevalent today, the world knocks you on your ass so buckle up toots.

[Kublakhan61]

Well if he was 15 he would have been bigger than the cop, granted this guy is over the top but some kids need to get a beat down, simply because they are arrogant and their parents do nothing to correct their behavior. I blame the coddling nature that is prevalent today, the world knocks you on your ass so buckle up toots.

So, you are for the state deciding how you should raise your children? You're looking for more government involvement in personal affairs?

And to speak to your 'last nerve' and 'start of the tape' comments - no matter how far she pushed him, the bottom line is he is paid to protect and serve. He is paid to uphold the law - in this instance he broke the law. He not only assaulted another person, but a minor no less. There is nothing he can say that will exonerate him.

[IrishAlkey]

Hot.

[SatCam]

Damn I used to kick my shoes off on the swingset and I never got beat that bad

[sr71blackbird]

As a frozen incident occurring from that moment forward, the police's action was over the top. There must be far more to this than we know.

She looked hot. Maybe her feet stunk.

[RoseBlood]

I am curious, would your opinion be any different if it was a male thug? I'll admit,mine would.
I doubt mine would be.

Well if he was 15 he would have been bigger than the cop, granted this guy is over the top but some kids need to get a beat down, simply because they are arrogant and their parents do nothing to correct their behavior. I blame the coddling nature that is prevalent today, the world knocks you on your ass so buckle up toots.
I seriously doubt this girl was being coddled by her parent(s). Coddling of todays youth is irrelevant to this story anyway. Anyone who holds any position of power or is placed in stressful situations on a daily basis needs to learn to keep their emotions in check.

[SatCam]

As a frozen incident occurring from that moment forward, the police's action was over the top. There must be far more to this than we know.

She looked hot. Maybe her feet stunk.

Well now that you mention it, she did call his mother a dirty whore.

[SP1!]

So, you are for the state deciding how you should raise your children? You're looking for more government involvement in personal affairs?

And to speak to your 'last nerve' and 'start of the tape' comments - no matter how far she pushed him, the bottom line is he is paid to protect and serve. He is paid to uphold the law - in this instance he broke the law. He not only assaulted another person, but a minor no less. There is nothing he can say that will exonerate him.

He could always use the chris brown defense, it seemed to work on that umbrella bitch.


Oh and Im not for any kind of government raising of any kind, unless your kid has numerous arrests before hes reached adulthood, they are doing something wrong and should be sterilized. Yeah yeah everyones free, blah blah blah but some people do not have the common sense to raise kids.

[IrishAlkey]

He could always use the chris brown defense, it seemed to work on that umbrella bitch.


Oh and Im not for any kind of government raising of any kind, unless your kid has numerous arrests before hes reached adulthood, they are doing something wrong and should be sterilized. Yeah yeah everyones free, blah blah blah but some people do not have the common sense to raise kids.

I hope your kid rapes a woman.

[SP1!]

I seriously doubt this girl was being coddled by her parent(s). Coddling of todays youth is irrelevant to this story anyway. Anyone who holds any position of power or is placed in stressful situations on a daily basis needs to learn to keep their emotions in check.You can tell shes coddled by the defiant way shes acting after shes busted, its that "my momma's gonna take care of this" bullshit pose, any kid who was raised in a decent family is scared shitless. NOT of what the courts may do to them but of how big of an ass whoopin momma and daddy is going to put on them when they get there, its obvious to those who have spent any time around kids who get in trouble. The kids who were raised right will still make mistakes, those that were raised wrong will still end up in jail long term or dead.

Well now that you mention it, she did call his mother a dirty whore.
Well is she?

[SP1!]

I hope your kid rapes a woman.

Are you offering or just going for the insult?

[IrishAlkey]

You can tell shes coddled by the defiant way shes acting after shes busted, its that "my momma's gonna take care of this" bullshit pose, any kid who was raised in a decent family is scared shitless. NOT of what the courts may do to them but of how big of an ass whoopin momma and daddy is going to put on them when they get there, its obvious to those who have spent any time around kids who get in trouble. The kids who were raised right will still make mistakes, those that were raised wrong will still end up in jail long term or dead.

You are fucking retarded.

[SP1!]

You are fucking retarded.

No I live in a place called reality, quit relying on cop shows for all your outside information and join the real world to find out how some people act, unless you have seen it up close then you have no idea how some people view the police.

[RoseBlood]

You can tell shes coddled by the defiant way shes acting after shes busted, its that "my momma's gonna take care of this" bullshit pose, any kid who was raised in a decent family is scared shitless. NOT of what the courts may do to them but of how big of an ass whoopin momma and daddy is going to put on them when they get there, its obvious to those who have spent any time around kids who get in trouble. The kids who were raised right will still make mistakes, those that were raised wrong will still end up in jail long term or dead.

You can tell a girls entire history based on one pose? Wonderful!
It's not up to any of us or the cops or corrections officers to assume how this girl was raised much less decide what is proper punishment for her "attitude".
Many of us who have spent time around kids might draw a different conclusion about this girl.
I'll also say, if raising your kid "right" was a guarantee that there would be no juvenile delinquents than there would be much less criminals in the world. Who are you to say what the right way to raise a kid is. I know plenty of kids who were raised "right" and turned out to be scumbag adults. Yeah parents make ill decisions and fuck up but you can't always blame them.

*edit* or what alkey said.

[SP1!]

You can tell a girls entire history based on one pose? Wonderful!
It's not up to any of us or the cops or corrections officers to assume how this girl was raised much less decide what is proper punishment for her "attitude".
Many of us who have spent time around kids might draw a different conclusion about this girl.
I'll also say, if raising your kid "right" was a guarantee that there would be no juvenile delinquents than there would be much less criminals in the world. Who are you to say what the right way to raise a kid is. I know plenty of kids who were raised "right" and turned out to be scumbag adults. Yeah parents make ill decisions and fuck up but you can't always blame them.

Attitude determines course of action, like I said earlier and as another said, lets see the entire exchange, we saw the end of the altercation not everything that led up to that incident.

Oh and I would put money on kids raised with respect for authority over a kid acting like this after they have been busted, reality, look into joining us sometime.

[IrishAlkey]

No I live in a place called reality, quit relying on cop shows for all your outside information and join the real world to find out how some people act, unless you have seen it up close then you have no idea how some people view the police.

Way to go off on a tangent...

I'm not talking about the police.

I'm talking about your views on raising children. Relax, Mr. "I've been there and done that."

You sound like a prick. The cops don't like me either, and I'm white.

[TooLowBrow]

maybe shes a mutant


...one of those x men

[RoseBlood]

Attitude determines course of action, like I said earlier and as another said, lets see the entire exchange, we saw the end of the altercation not everything that led up to that incident.

Oh and I would put money on kids raised with respect over a kid acting like this after they have been busted, reality, look into joining us sometime.

Regardless what she did prior to this altercation, I don't think the corrections officer's retaliation to the shoe kicking was justified. Whatever she may have done prior should have been dealt with at the time, not over shoe kicking.

Perhaps, I have a cousin who was raised by "good decent" people, who also put fear into their children as a means to keep them in check. He went to religion, a decent school etc etc and today he is an arrogant, perverted criminal.. so yeah there are always exceptions.

[midwestjeff]

lets see the entire exchange, we saw the end of the altercation not everything that led up to that incident.

Doesn't matter.

There is no situation in the world that
justifies any grown man attacking a 15 year old girl.

Fuck the dirty pig. He failed at his job.

[IrishAlkey]

Attitude determines course of action, like I said earlier and as another said, lets see the entire exchange, we saw the end of the altercation not everything that led up to that incident.

Oh and I would put money on kids raised with respect for authority over a kid acting like this after they have been busted, reality, look into joining us sometime.

Please tell me you have kids.

[RoseBlood]

reality, look into joining us sometime.
So anyone who doesn't agree with you is out of touch with reality? Or havent you heard of this thing called perspective?

[sr71blackbird]

Easy people! Maybe take a step back and see how something taken out of context can cause the wrong impression. Much like that video, we do not know what happened before and after. Frozen moments in time have the ability to be interpreted by many people many ways. we do not know the facts.

[IrishAlkey]

A video recording is usually pretty good when referencing facts.

[RoseBlood]

Sorry to beat a dead horse folks, but one of my beefs with SP! or anyone for that matter is this:

Whenever you hear about a kid misbehaving in any capacity, or even a grown adult getting caught for something, you inevitably have all the arrogant, smug, self-righteous, holier than thou parents come out of the wood works ready to pounce on the parents (without even knowing them) as if to say "i'm a better parent than you are becaue my kid has never been caught committing such acts" when the REALITY is, it could be anyone's kid.

rant over.

[IrishAlkey]

Sorry to beat a dead horse folks, but one of my beefs with SP! or anyone for that matter is this:

Whenever you hear about a kid misbehaving in any capacity, or even a grown adult getting caught for something, you inevitably have all the arrogant, smug, self-righteous, holier than thou parents come out of the wood works ready to pounce on the parents (without even knowing them) as if to say "i'm a better parent than you are becaue my kid has never been caught committing such acts" when the REALITY is, it could be anyone's kid.

rant over.

When my wife leaves me, will you marry me?

[IamPixie]

Wouldn't it be cool if she exacted revenge 15 years down the line? "Remember me, pig? Time to squeal like the little bitch you are."

[SatCam]

Not only did she throw a shoe at a cop, she's pregnant with eight kids!

[SP1!]

Regardless what she did prior to this altercation, I don't think the corrections officer's retaliation to the shoe kicking was justified. Whatever she may have done prior should have been dealt with at the time, not over shoe kicking.

Perhaps, I have a cousin who was raised by "good decent" people, who also put fear into their children as a means to keep them in check. He went to religion, a decent school etc etc and today he is an arrogant, perverted criminal.. so yeah there are always exceptions.
So anyone who doesn't agree with you is out of touch with reality? Or havent you heard of this thing called perspective?
Sorry to beat a dead horse folks, but one of my beefs with SP! or anyone for that matter is this:

Whenever you hear about a kid misbehaving in any capacity, or even a grown adult getting caught for something, you inevitably have all the arrogant, smug, self-righteous, holier than thou parents come out of the wood works ready to pounce on the parents (without even knowing them) as if to say "i'm a better parent than you are becaue my kid has never been caught committing such acts" when the REALITY is, it could be anyone's kid.

rant over.
I agree with all of those 100%, hell when I went to church the prechers kids were always the worst, but what differs are how the parents react when they show up. Now, you can make assumptions from the tape but that doesnt necessarily make them right but I would be willing to bet that when her mother gets called about her acting out she asks "well what did you do to make her respond that way?" That is such bullshit.

My favorite response to that was in a private school in south atlanta, when the principle told the mother what had happened she responded defensively, he calmly got up asked the kid to leave the room then proceeded to tell the mother either she can accept discipline handed out or she could take her kid and leave the school. This dumb bitch ended up trying to sue the school because she was treated disrespectfully, in the end everything was thrown out and she continued bitching somewhere else. You cant always see the kids who had good parents but you sure as hell can see those who had shitty parents.

Doesn't matter.

There is no situation in the world that
justifies any grown man attacking a 15 year old girl.

Fuck the dirty pig. He failed at his job.
Agreed, he should still have nothing to do with the public.

A video recording is usually pretty good when referencing facts.
Usually but lets try and see the whole tape before you rip this guys balls off over a 3 minute tape, its called facts, just get em.

[made cummsies]

fuck her (the 15 yr old) and the bleeding hearts with their sympathy

here's a newsflash for EVERYONE....if a cop tells you to do something you comply and don't talk back, end of discussion! if you follow that simple rule then these sorts of things wouldn't happen

[IrishAlkey]

Usually but lets try and see the whole tape before you rip this guys balls off over a 3 minute tape, its called facts, just get em.

Facts, get em'.

Reality, live it.

The truth, learn it.

My balls, suck em'.

[IrishAlkey]

fuck her (the 15 yr old) and the bleeding hearts with their sympathy

here's a newsflash for EVERYONE....if a cop tells you to do something you comply and don't talk back, end of discussion! if you follow that simple rule then these sorts of things wouldn't happen

And, if we all did that, the cops would be even bigger douche bags than they already are...

[silera]

To put this in perspective, if her mom did that to her for getting arrested, the mom would be charged with child abuse.

I hope they sue the shit out of those two assholes and the superiors that would enable such behavior.

[hammersavage]

Wouldn't it be cool if she exacted revenge 15 years down the line? "Remember me, pig? Time to squeal like the little bitch you are."

Sleepers style.

"The brisket is great here only you'll never know it."

"What do you guys want?"

"What we always wanted. To watch you die."

When my wife leaves me, will you marry me?

If she doesn't, I'm in.

[RoseBlood]

fuck her (the 15 yr old) and the bleeding hearts with their sympathy

here's a newsflash for EVERYONE....if a cop tells you to do something you comply and don't talk back, end of discussion! if you follow that simple rule then these sorts of things wouldn't happen

My issue has nothing to do with sympathy towards that girl. She was an idiot for kicking her shoe, but guess what? she's 15 and the cops an adult with the law on his side.

I do agree with the second part of that statement, unfortunately, I don't think it's that cut and dry because you'd have to assume law enforcement is never corrupt.

I was pulled over a few months back for running a stop sign, the cop was arrogant, but I shut up and just yes'd him to death, because I was in a rush and he let me go. So yeah, that is a nice clean pleasant example of things going the way you'd hope, but it may not have had it been different circumstances beyond my control.

[Bob Impact]

Sleepers style.

"The brisket is great here only you'll never know it."

"What do you guys want?"

"What we always wanted. To watch you die."



If she doesn't, I'm in.
They filmed the prison scenes for that movie close my house. My buddy was in some scenes as an extra, you can actually see him taking a shot at one of the actors during a fight scene.

Edit: That was a really boring pointless post. I'll leave it there as a monument to shit.

[hammersavage]

I was pulled over a few months back for running a stop sign, the cop was arrogant, but I shut up and just yes'd him to death, because I have breasts he let me go. So yeah, that is a nice clean pleasant example of things going the way you'd hope, but it may not have had it been different circumstances beyond my control.

Fixed.

[hammersavage]

They filmed the prison scenes for that movie close my house. My buddy was in some scenes as an extra, you can actually see him taking a shot at one of the actors during a fight scene.

Edit: That was a really boring pointless post. I'll leave it there as a monument to shit.

He better not have laid a finger on Brad Renfro. RIP

[booster11373]

fuck her (the 15 yr old) and the bleeding hearts with their sympathy

here's a newsflash for EVERYONE....if a cop tells you to do something you comply and don't talk back, end of discussion! if you follow that simple rule then these sorts of things wouldn't happen

Are you German?

[TheMojoPin]

I don't understand the people talking about the video like it's out of context for some heinous event on the girl's part that justified getting savagely beat like that. Short of her having dished out a horrendous beating or worse to someone else just before the film was shot, the bottom line is that the guard kicked the shit out of her for kicking her shoe at him. Odds are nothing preceded this event that could possibly justify what happened to her.

[RoseBlood]

getting savagely beat like that.

I've seen worse beatings.. wimp.. but i'll put my fetishes aside.

[Bob Impact]

I don't understand the people talking about the video like it's out of context for some heinous event on the girl's part that justified getting savagely beat like that. Short of her having dished out a horrendous beating or worse to someone else just before the film was shot, the bottom line is that the guard kicked the shit out of her for kicking her shoe at him. Odds are nothing preceded this event that could possibly justify what happened to her.

I agree here, I'm guessing based on her body language she was being a brat right before but jesus man, you're an adult and a cop, show some restraint.

[foodcourtdruide]

I don't understand the people talking about the video like it's out of context for some heinous event on the girl's part that justified getting savagely beat like that. Short of her having dished out a horrendous beating or worse to someone else just before the film was shot, the bottom line is that the guard kicked the shit out of her for kicking her shoe at him. Odds are nothing preceded this event that could possibly justify what happened to her.

It's like they're not human beings. They are robots programmed to respond in a specific way to events based on their ideology.

[hammersavage]

I find the term 'savage beating' as a personal attack and would like to see you both awarded with an infraction.

[disneyspy]

I find the term 'savage beating' as a personal attack and would like to see you both awarded with an infraction.

she got hammered

[silera]

Last time I checked, even if she was arrested for shooting a cop, they would have no authority to BEAT her. Even if she swung at them, theyre only allowed to defend themselves and restrain her.

Once this chick was down, the cop sitting on her punched her repeatedly in the head.

All she did was kick her shoe off.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Wouldn't it be cool if she exacted revenge 15 years down the line? "Remember me, pig? Time to squeal like the little bitch you are."

Didn't you do that and just get a look of bewilderment?

[IrishAlkey]

As far as I know, cops aren't allowed to beat you because they don't like what you're doing.

If you disagree I hope you run a red light and a cop rapes you to teach you a lesson.

[Bob Impact]

Last time I checked, even if she was arrested for shooting a cop, they would have no authority to BEAT her. Even if she swung at them, theyre only allowed to defend themselves and restrain her.

Once this chick was down, the cop sitting on her punched her repeatedly in the head.

All she did was kick her shoe off.

Dammit, You just made it sexy.

[hammersavage]

she got hammered

Hurtful.

Last time I checked, even if she was arrested for shooting a cop, they would have no authority to BEAT her. Even if she swung at them, theyre only allowed to defend themselves and restrain her.

Once this chick was down, the cop sitting on her punched her repeatedly in the head.

All she did was kick her shoe off.

I agree but I think the point everyone is missing here is that this bitch didn't change her stank-ass socks for a month before this. It reeked like hell I bet.

[IamPixie]

Didn't you do that and just get a look of bewilderment?

he'd be too busy screaming as I shot his dick off.

[foodcourtdruide]

As far as I know, cops aren't allowed to beat you because they don't like what you're doing.

If you disagree I hope you run a red light and a cop rapes you to teach you a lesson.

No, because then the bad thing will be happening to them. They only support these types of things if they occur on a television.

[Tenbatsuzen]

he'd be too busy screaming as I shot his dick off.

Now, see, that's the problem.

She got beat up, but sustained no permanent damage.

You're advocating something else entirely. What makes you better than him?

[Bob Impact]

Now, see, that's the problem.

She got beat up, but sustained no permanent damage.

You're advocating something else entirely. What makes you better than him?

Fully functioning genitals.

[IamPixie]

Now, see, that's the problem.

She got beat up, but sustained no permanent damage.

You're advocating something else entirely. What makes you better than him?

I never said I was a good, moral person. Don't assume.

[silera]

Food, I just said the same thing to alkey. Too many ppl live in this "not me" world where they can't possibly fathom how close all of us are to being that person.

We all want to think we're the top 10-15 percent where this would never apply. The reality is that most of us are in the 85% where your whole world can go to shit before you can even react to it.

I don't know this chick. Not knowing anything, I'm going to presume she's innocent, and even if she's guilty- those two officers aren't there to mete out corporal punishment.

[~Katja~]

To put this in perspective, if her mom did that to her for getting arrested, the mom would be charged with child abuse.

I hope they sue the shit out of those two assholes and the superiors that would enable such behavior.

I sure hope that cop has no kids himself cause he sure seems on a short fuse. Imagine him being left to deal with a "lippy" toddler or teenager, someone who reacts THAT violent in any situation towards a minor (and a female) most like is aggressive in his personal life too.

Especially as a corrections officer you deal with teens on a daily basis. There is no excuse for this act. He is supposed to maintain order and at the same time be a role model, his behavior was an embarrassment.



There is another video of that with some more background (and an irrelevant ending)
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[Tenbatsuzen]

I never said I was a good, moral person. Don't assume.

I never said you were either. What I did say was, even with what he did, why does he deserve to have his genitals blown off?

Sexual crimes, yes, I can see that. He just punched her. He's not a prince, but he certainly doesn't deserve to have his dick blown off by you, Paula Kersey.

[hammersavage]

I like the laughin GW at the end of that version. Good touch.

[IrishAlkey]

I sure hope that cop has no kids himself cause he sure seems on a short fuse. Imagine him being left to deal with a "lippy" toddler or teenager, someone who reacts THAT violent in any situation towards a minor (and a female) most like is aggressive in his personal life too.

Especially as a corrections officer you deal with teens on a daily basis. There is no excuse for this act. He is supposed to maintain order and at the same time be a role model, his behavior was an embarrassment.



There is another video of that with some more background (and an irrelevant ending)
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That video clearly does not tell the other side of the story, of which she obviously deserved to get punched in the face by an adult male.

[SP1!]

I don't understand the people talking about the video like it's out of context for some heinous event on the girl's part that justified getting savagely beat like that. Short of her having dished out a horrendous beating or worse to someone else just before the film was shot, the bottom line is that the guard kicked the shit out of her for kicking her shoe at him. Odds are nothing preceded this event that could possibly justify what happened to her.

Last time I checked, even if she was arrested for shooting a cop, they would have no authority to BEAT her. Even if she swung at them, theyre only allowed to defend themselves and restrain her.

Once this chick was down, the cop sitting on her punched her repeatedly in the head.

All she did was kick her shoe off.
Oh I wasnt defending the cop, I was just pointing out what a little cunt the girl was in the beginning, the beating is waaaaaaaay over the top and the only slightly possible reason would be if she had beaten up a female cop just moments before this happened. Still him sitting on her and punching is too much, but Im just playing devils advocate here.....

Everything is speculation about her but everyone can see the brattiness and who hasnt wanted to see some little blonde bitch get her clock cleaned cause she was being a bitch to a cop?

That being said he could have inflicted real damage without appearing over the top, I had a friend who was getting arrested for public intoxication and when the cops started talking to him he just interrupted him saying "I dont need a lecture from some fucking pig" it was the funniest thing I ever saw in my life when the cop yanked him down the stairs. Then when the cop was telling him to put his head on the hood of the car and he wouldnt do it or said he couldnt, the cop just came over there and slammed his head onto the hood with a nice "thud" we laugh at him to this day. He grew up out of that and is now a fucking college professor or math, we arent allowed to talk to his students though, I wonder why?? People change but you should never be a dick to a cop, even if you are 110% sure you are in the right, let the shit work itself out.

[foodcourtdruide]

Food, I just said the same thing to alkey. Too many ppl live in this "not me" world where they can't possibly fathom how close all of us are to being that person.

We all want to think we're the top 10-15 percent where this would never apply. The reality is that most of us are in the 85% where your whole world can go to shit before you can even react to it.

I don't know this chick. Not knowing anything, I'm going to presume she's innocent, and even if she's guilty- those two officers aren't there to mete out corporal punishment.

When I think about people like that I always think that they have un-developed thoughts, fused with anger and bitterness. They feel bitter towards someone in police custody and angry that they have to financially support people who fuck their lives up and have to go through the system. That anger leads to the thought of "Good! She deserves this!", though they don't realize that they may find themselves (only by chance) going through the same system.

[O&A Sycophant #155]

you know, not enough people support the cops and they have a really tough job, so if they need to blow off a little steam by throwing a beating to some savage then I think it's well deserved. or a 15 year old girl.

[IrishAlkey]

Oh I wasnt defending the cop, I was just pointing out what a little cunt the girl was in the beginning, the beating is waaaaaaaay over the top and the only slightly possible reason would be if she had beaten up a female cop just moments before this happened. Still him sitting on her and punching is too much, but Im just playing devils advocate here.....

Everything is speculation about her but everyone can see the brattiness and who hasnt wanted to see some little blonde bitch get her clock cleaned cause she was being a bitch to a cop?

That being said he could have inflicted real damage without appearing over the top, I had a friend who was getting arrested for public intoxication and when the cops started talking to him he just interrupted him saying "I dont need a lecture from some fucking pig" it was the funniest thing I ever saw in my life when the cop yanked him down the stairs. Then when the cop was telling him to put his head on the hood of the car and he wouldnt do it or said he couldnt, the cop just came over there and slammed his head onto the hood with a nice "thud" we laugh at him to this day. He grew up out of that and is now a fucking college professor or math, we arent allowed to talk to his students though, I wonder why?? People change but you should never be a dick to a cop, even if you are 110% sure you are in the right, let the shit work itself out.

You're not gonna' get far driving backwards.

[Gvac]

Talk about temporary insanity. Obviously the cop was well aware of her sex, her age, and the fact that there are cameras in the cells. For him to act like this is incomprehensible, let alone inexcusable. Whatever she said or did previous to the shoe kick must have made him snap, but obviously there is absolutely no justification for what he did.

[TheMojoPin]

Everything is speculation about her but everyone can see the brattiness and who hasnt wanted to see some little blonde bitch get her clock cleaned cause she was being a bitch to a cop?

My God, how an anyone argue with a logical argument this airtight? We're beaten, folks.

That being said he could have inflicted real damage without appearing over the top, I had a friend who was getting arrested for public intoxication and when the cops started talking to him he just interrupted him saying "I dont need a lecture from some fucking pig" it was the funniest thing I ever saw in my life when the cop yanked him down the stairs. Then when the cop was telling him to put his head on the hood of the car and he wouldnt do it or said he couldnt, the cop just came over there and slammed his head onto the hood with a nice "thud" we laugh at him to this day. He grew up out of that and is now a fucking college professor or math, we arent allowed to talk to his students though, I wonder why?? People change but you should never be a dick to a cop, even if you are 110% sure you are in the right, let the shit work itself out.

Oh man, too bad they didn't put him in a choke hold. You probably would have pissed your pants!

[IrishAlkey]

you know, not enough people support the cops and they have a really tough job, so if they need to blow off a little steam by throwing a beating to some savage then I think it's well deserved. or a 15 year old girl.

May I direct you to the closest Obama thread, fine new member?

[underdog]

Easy people! Maybe take a step back and see how something taken out of context can cause the wrong impression. Much like that video, we do not know what happened before and after. Frozen moments in time have the ability to be interpreted by many people many ways. we do not know the facts.

Usually but lets try and see the whole tape before you rip this guys balls off over a 3 minute tape, its called facts, just get em.

fuck her (the 15 yr old) and the bleeding hearts with their sympathy

here's a newsflash for EVERYONE....if a cop tells you to do something you comply and don't talk back, end of discussion! if you follow that simple rule then these sorts of things wouldn't happen

A FULL GROWN MAN BEAT UP A 15 YEAR OLD GIRL.

What other fucking facts do we need?! What the fuck could she have done prior to that to deserve it?

I never said you were either. What I did say was, even with what he did, why does he deserve to have his genitals blown off?

He's a grown up beating up a 15 year old girl. He's not a man. He doesn't deserve testicles.

[SP1!]

I sure hope that cop has no kids himself cause he sure seems on a short fuse. Imagine him being left to deal with a "lippy" toddler or teenager, someone who reacts THAT violent in any situation towards a minor (and a female) most like is aggressive in his personal life too.

Especially as a corrections officer you deal with teens on a daily basis. There is no excuse for this act. He is supposed to maintain order and at the same time be a role model, his behavior was an embarrassment.

There is another video of that with some more background (and an irrelevant ending)
Yeah if thats all of it then hang him but I want to know what lawyer speak is for two sides to every story, I am pretty sure unless they have her beating a female before and raping a puppy then he is toast. As well he should be for flying off the handle like that.

The video seems to be from someone who still hates bush even though hes not president anymore, weirdness.

[~Katja~]

you know, not enough people support the cops and they have a really tough job, so if they need to blow off a little steam by throwing a beating to some savage then I think it's well deserved. or a 15 year old girl.

if you are a cop and need to blow off some steam go to a gym and work out... do it on your own time and act professional while at work.

[IrishAlkey]

The video seems to be from someone who still hates bush even though hes not president anymore, weirdness.

Fucking what?

We need to remove internet connection from the south.

[foodcourtdruide]

Everything is speculation about her but everyone can see the brattiness and who hasnt wanted to see some little blonde bitch get her clock cleaned cause she was being a bitch to a cop?

I cannot relate to this statement at all.

Are you the weirdo or am I the weirdo?

[DarkHippie]

What about that other deputy who just stands there and lets his partner cave in a girl's head? They're both scum.

[~Katja~]

Talk about temporary insanity. Obviously the cop was well aware of her sex, her age, and the fact that there are cameras in the cells. For him to act like this is incomprehensible, let alone inexcusable. Whatever she said or did previous to the shoe kick must have made him snap, but obviously there is absolutely no justification for what he did.

especially since the second cop was not much better and did not stop him from punching her when she already violently went down to the ground.
That asshat punched her in the face while she was tackled and helpless. I don't care if it is a girl a boy or even am older inmate... no matter what she said, the show kick was not violent nor threatening to the cop to react in such violent manner.

[SP1!]

You're not gonna' get far driving backwards.
What makes you think I ever drive backwards, I just keep plowing forward dragging helpless bystanders along with me.

My God, how an anyone argue with a logical argument this airtight? We're beaten, folks.

Oh man, too bad they didn't put him in a choke hold. You probably would have pissed your pants!
See now your getting it.

And you had to be there to understand it, he is shocked he didnt get his ass beat worse. When he sobered up he went back up there and apologized to the cop which worked out well later when he caught us drinking again.

Its called life lessons when you make mistakes, hopefully he learns from this one.

[SP1!]

Fucking what?

We need to remove internet connection from the south.
Yes we can tell someone didnt watch kats video to the end.

I cannot relate to this statement at all.

Are you the weirdo or am I the weirdo?
Me usually, but Im not nearly as irrational as portrayed.

[TheMojoPin]

Its called life lessons when you make mistakes

No, that's not what they are.

[~Katja~]

Yes we can tell someone didnt watch kats video to the end.


or just noticed my comment about the irrelevant ending :)

[sailor]

Hot.

only response that makes any sense.

[IrishAlkey]

or just noticed my comment about the irrelevant ending :)

I've met you.

You don't have an irrelevant ending.

Rawr.

[~Katja~]

I've met you.

You don't have an irrelevant ending.

Rawr.

sadly you are right... that end is waaaay to big

[IrishAlkey]

sadly you are right... that end is waaaay to big

I've successfully turned this thread into a chat about your nice ass.

We all win.

[TheMojoPin]

I've successfully turned this thread into a chat about your nice ass.

We all win.

I want to beat the shit of you and throw your head against a wall.

With my love.

[ryno1974]

Holy fuck guys, the one simple fact that some of you are missing is he is a COP. Cops CANNOT "snap" or "blow off steam" or "over react". They are the one single thing that keeps free countries free and safe. They have a fucking job to do, they need to do it without exception. In someones personal life, go ahead and make judgment calls on who deserves what and why. Once the cops are involved they have to protect rights and the law.

Period.

[TheMojoPin]

Holy fuck guys, the one simple fact that some of you are missing is he is a COP. Cops CANNOT "snap" or "blow off steam" or "over react".

That's actualy not true at all. They're not above the laws they're supposed to protect.

[disneyspy]

he was NOT a cop,just another scumbab corrections officer that couldnt get a job doin anything else,please dont call COs cops,its the worst thing you can call a cop

[sailor]

That's actualy not true at all. They're not above the laws they're supposed to protect.

i think you misread his point. i believe he was saying the cops have a duty to be more responsible than the average schmoe.

[TheMojoPin]

i think you misread his point. i believe he was saying the cops have a duty to be more responsible than the average shmoe.

I think you need to reread his whole post.

[sailor]

I think you need to reread his whole post.

i did. i still think you're off.

but, he's a canadien, who can tell. there was one line in there that seemed a bit odd, but the rest really looks like it fits my interpretation.

[IrishAlkey]

Holy fuck guys, the one simple fact that some of you are missing is he is a COP. Cops CANNOT "snap" or "blow off steam" or "over react". They are the one single thing that keeps free countries free and safe. They have a fucking job to do, they need to do it without exception. In someones personal life, go ahead and make judgment calls on who deserves what and why. Once the cops are involved they have to protect rights and the law.

Period.

So, him beating the fuck out of a teenage girl, while in custody, is protecting my freedom?

[TheMojoPin]

i did. i still think you're off.

Read it again.

[disneyspy]

all of you are missing the point so i'll type slow so you can all understand. she is 15,in county lock up,guarded by retards that cant get real jobs,they are called corrections officers,not cops,the idiot isnt under the same rules as a cop,hes a retard CO,SCUM OF THE EARTH,POS,why is that so hard to understand?

[MacVittie]

Read it again.

I read it twice, it's pretty ambiguous. I can't tell if he means that cops can't snap because it's their duty to keep a cool head when no one else does, or that when a cop freaks out its no snapping because he's doing to right thing because he's a cop.

I think its the former, but its written poorly so who knows.

[instrument]

He was probably outside the door and told her to remove her shoes.

Just like that military kid that got shot after the highspeed chase after the cop told him to stand up.

And somehow these cops are always acquitted, so apparently people agree with that made cumsies retard.

[IrishAlkey]

all of you are missing the point so i'll type slow so you can all understand. she is 15,in county lock up,guarded by retards that cant get real jobs,they are called corrections officers,not cops,the idiot isnt under the same rules as a cop,hes a retard CO,SCUM OF THE EARTH,POS,why is that so hard to understand?

You typed that way too fast.

[midwestjeff]

,SCUM OF THE EARTH,

He's Scottish?

[~Katja~]

i think you misread his point. i believe he was saying the cops have a duty to be more responsible than the average schmoe.

I agree with ya

[Tenbatsuzen]

He's Scottish?

WORD HURT

[ryno1974]

Thanks sailor, but it's Canadian, not Canadien.

Disneyspy, why the hate for corrections officers? Regardless of why you hate them, they are officers of the law, and they are bound to protect everyone.

All I am saying is that cops cant fuck up. They need to be precisely on the line, not on either side. Thats the way it needs to be to avoid a police state that is out of control.

Sorry if I didnt make my thoughts clear, hopefully they are now.

If not, maybe sailor can continue to translate in americun for me.

:wink:

[~Katja~]

all of you are missing the point so i'll type slow so you can all understand. she is 15,in county lock up,guarded by retards that cant get real jobs,they are called corrections officers,not cops,the idiot isnt under the same rules as a cop,hes a retard CO,SCUM OF THE EARTH,POS,why is that so hard to understand?

to type it slow for you spy, regardless of your opinion on corrections officers, they do represent the law and have a job with rules which require them to protect the law... it makes no difference to the fact that he beat the shit out of that girl.

[disneyspy]

no you're wrong,they aren't under the same rules as cops,i cant be the only one thats been in a half dozen county lock ups can i?quit lyin.

[~Katja~]

You typed that way too fast.

trust me, he didn't

[IrishAlkey]

trust me, he didn't

How's the azz?

[~Katja~]

How's the azz?

he is saying that because the officer in question was not an actual police officer but just a scumbag corrections officer excuses his behavior in this situation... at least that's what I get out of his arguments

[Foster]

he is saying that because the officer in question was not an actual police officer but just a scumbag corrections officer excuses his behavior in this situation... at least that's what I get out of his arguments

I don't think he was talking about disneyspy

[made cummsies]

I was pulled over a few months back for running a stop sign, the cop was arrogant, but I shut up and just yes'd him to death, because I was in a rush and he let me go. So yeah, that is a nice clean pleasant example of things going the way you'd hope, but it may not have had it been different circumstances beyond my control.
As distasteful as it may seem at the time you did the right thing. You broke the law, had the misfortune of being stopped by an asshole and still treated him with respect. Not because of who he was as an individual but because of the uniform and the office. Well done.


Are you German?
Not exactly, more like Kraut-lite


even if she was arrested for shooting a cop
What she was arrested for is irrelevant, how she behaved in custody is.


As far as I know, cops aren't allowed to beat you because they don't like what you're doing.

If you disagree I hope you run a red light and a cop rapes you to teach you a lesson.
No cops aren't allowed to beat you because they don't like what you're doing but they are, or at least should be, allowed to use all measures to insure that anyone in their custody complies with their instructions. For several reasons, some of which are self-inflicted, the police have lost much of the inherent respect they were given by previous generations. Whether its something extreme like an officer being killed or on the other end of the spectrum like the cunt & her shoe from the video there are certain segments of society that will go out of their way to disrespect or harm the law.

And no, I don't think I will run a red light or get cornholed by a cop.


I've successfully turned this thread into a chat about your (~Katja~'s) nice ass.
that comment is useless without pictures about said nice hiney


all of you are missing the point
wow, axe to grind?

[IrishAlkey]

he is saying that because the officer in question was not an actual police officer but just a scumbag corrections officer excuses his behavior in this situation... at least that's what I get out of his arguments

You could've just said "plump."

[TheMojoPin]

All I am saying is that cops cant fuck up. They need to be precisely on the line, not on either side. Thats the way it needs to be to avoid a police state that is out of control.:wink:

Jeez, sailor is an idiot savant. Sorry I got your intention wrong.

[Gvac]

Jeez, sailor is an idiot savant.

Well, you're HALF right...

[TheMojoPin]

For several reasons, some of which are self-inflicted, the police have lost much of the inherent respect they were given by previous generations. Whether its something extreme like an officer being killed or on the other end of the spectrum like the cunt & her shoe from the video there are certain segments of society that will go out of their way to disrespect or harm the law.

None of that justifies a 15-year-old girl getting beat like that for kicking a shoe.

[IrishAlkey]

Well, you're HALF right...

So, you're saying he's a savant?

[~Katja~]

You could've just said "plump."

does "juicy" work?

[IrishAlkey]

does "juicy" work?

Only if you wanna' take this private, sassy face...

[made cummsies]

None of that justifies a 15-year-old girl getting beat like that for kicking a shoe.
I'll agree that the video taken in isolation of what may have occurred prior yes their reaction might be slightly harsh. However, we don't know what happened before and whether or not the 15 yr old had previously assaulted those or other officers.

That's the problem of Rodney King'esq videos. A purposefully edited clip may not show the entire sequence of events that lead up to what is made public on a venue like youtube.


does "juicy" work?
once again, useless without pic :p

[TheMojoPin]

I'll agree that the video taken in isolation of what may have occurred prior yes their reaction might be slightly harsh. However, we don't know what happened before and whether or not the 15 yr old had previously assaulted those or other officers.

That's the problem of Rodney King'esq videos. A purposefully edited clip may not show the entire sequence of events that lead up to what is made public on a venue like youtube.

Actualy, the video shows us plenty. It shows that at the time of the assault the officers were in total control and the girl wasn't attacking anyone or resisting or anything along those lines. What happened before is ultimately moot...at that point in time, and in the time leading up to it, the officers had total control and she wasn't doing anything.

And what was the "problem" with the Rodney King video? We all know why he was pulled over and his drug use. That still doesn't justify beating a man to a pulp well after he's clearly down.

Neither videos are "hiding" anything or have a larger context that could possibly justify what is seen.

[silera]

No, what happened before that doesn't justify it. The situation was controlled. The chick was in a cell and closing the door would have prevented another "shoe assault".

IF there was any other incident that merited judgement and punishment, that would be decided by the courts and meted down. No part of our criminal justice system, except for the death penalty, authorizes bodily harm to people for breaking laws. Police officers are allowed to use force in self defense, and obviously shoot to kill when their lives are threatened.

[TheMojoPin]

Pretty much the only thing that could even begin to justify this is if she had a weapon on her.

[silera]

Furthermore, the chick was 15. FIFTEEN.

Teenagers are assholes that disrespect authority. They do not understand the basic consequences for their actions. They generally don't even connect consequences to their actions. If my kid kicked his shoe at me for grounding him and sending him to his room I'd be fucking PISSED. If in anger, I punched him in the face, dragged him into a wall by his hair, wrestled him to the floor and punched him repeatedly afterwards and there was tape of this- I'd be arrested.

[made cummsies]

Neither videos are "hiding" anything or have a larger context that could possibly justify what is seen.
Without a complete video record of what occurred from the police first being on scene till the suspect/arrestee is either released/incarcerated what any of us have seen can be called into question for not showing the entire chain of events and what may or may not be considered justified.

As for the specifics with King. That he charged the officers (which can be seen on the video) after being verbally ordered to the ground and being tazed twice is indication that a more severe response was required.

[made cummsies]

Pretty much the only thing that could even begin to justify this is if she had a weapon on her.

perhaps
http://www.univie.ac.at/cga/art/shoe_bomb3.gif

[TheMojoPin]

Without a complete video record of what occurred from the police first being on scene till the suspect/arrestee is either released/incarcerated what any of us have seen can be called into question for not showing the entire chain of events and what may or may not be considered justified.

And again, none of it would justify what we saw. The officers were clearly in complete control of the prisoner. Unless the officer who attacked saw a weapon, there's no justification. Everything before is moot given that at the time of the attack she wasn't fighting or resisting and the officers had complete control.

As for the specifics with King. That he charged the officers (which can be seen on the video) after being verbally ordered to the ground and being tazed twice is indication that a more severe response was required.

They were beating and kicking him for well over a minute after he was on the ground and not moving. Nobody is gonna deny he resisted and an initial response was needed to take him down, but the cops clearly went WAY beyond what was needed.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

How many shoe bombs have we had that have successfully killed anybody? Have there been any further incidents of a shoe bombing attempt beyond that one wacky french guy? And also, a shoebomb is pretty tough to concoct while sitting in a jail cell (not sure if she was wearing jail clothes). Just wondering.

Anyhow, the whole argument that she provoked them is utterly moot. She kicked a shoe, and probably was "cunty" as some of the more romantic figures of this internet community puts it. Two corrections officers kicking a 15 year old kid in the stomach, never justified unless she had a weapon. Considering a shoe has been used as a proposed explosive only once in the history of man to my knowledge, you might as well say she threatened them with her menacing bear-shark which prompted swift boot justice.

[underdog]

Without a complete video record of what occurred from the police first being on scene till the suspect/arrestee is either released/incarcerated what any of us have seen can be called into question for not showing the entire chain of events and what may or may not be considered justified.

As for the specifics with King. That he charged the officers (which can be seen on the video) after being verbally ordered to the ground and being tazed twice is indication that a more severe response was required.

SHE'S A 15 YEAR OLD GIRL.

There is absolutely nothing she could have done before that video was taken to warrant what that adult did to her.

[silera]

This is just silly at this point. Now we're bringing in shoe bombs and need to know what happened all the way from the point she got arrested.

Again, she was in custody and in a cell with both officers outside closing the door. Anything she did prior to that would be decided in a court of law and the sentence meted out by a judge. If the cops/co's told a judge- "she kicked her shoe at me", I highly doubt a judge would say, "You get 2 yrs in jail for the car jacking and before you get transferred to prison these two officers are allowed to pull you by your hair out of the courtroom and punch and kick you for two minutes for kicking that shoe young lady."

[TheMojoPin]

she threatened them with her menacing bear-shark

Oh my God, now I'm terrified.

[made cummsies]

Unless the officer who attacked saw a weapon, there's no justification.
From the angle of the video do you know she didn't have one?

but the cops clearly went WAY beyond what was needed.
The first jury clearly disagree with you.


Have there been any further incidents of a shoe bombing attempt beyond that one wacky french guy?
If you mean Richard Reid he is British not French.

[TheMojoPin]

From the angle of the video do you know she didn't have one?

With the play this story is getting, if she had a weapon, we'd know about it by now.

The first jury clearly disagree with you.

Wow, THAT'S supposed to be a solid counterargument to the idea that King was the victim of excessive force? I can only assume you also think OJ is innocent, too.

[IrishAlkey]

Meted.

[silera]

She was being put in a holding cell- if we can assume this chick had killed a cop and ate his baby beforehand, I would hope we can assume that some police officer beforehand had the presence of mind to search this animal for weapons.

[Gvac]

I've been reading up on this case and have discovered some new information that may force some of you to rethink your positions -

Brunner said she was "real lippy" after being informed she was under arrest and called them "fat pigs."

Not so cut and dry now, is it you high and mighty finger pointers?

Get off your high horses!

[O&A Sycophant #155]

perhaps
http://www.univie.ac.at/cga/art/shoe_bomb3.gif

that's a very good point. sure, she's fifteen years old and probably has no idea how to detonate explosives while in custody but if an officer makes that mistake even once then it could cost him and his family their lives. I'd rather see 50,000 bludgeoned teenagers than one disrespected police officer.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

If this were happening to a 15 year old Fanning, wouldn't we all just be clapping right about now? I say yay. (lleeder thread hint)

[silera]

I see your point GVAC. Those officers were really fit and not fat at all.

[Gvac]

I see your point GVAC. Those officers were really fit and not fat at all.

See?

Hey...are you still married to that jerk?

[IrishAlkey]

I fist fucked the last teenage girl who got lippy with me.

[made cummsies]

With the play this story is getting, if she had a weapon, we'd know about it by now
Thats not what I asked. From the angle of the video does the viewer know she doesn't have a weapon?

Wow, THAT'S supposed to be a solid counterargument to the idea that King was the victim of excessive force? I can only assume you also think OJ is innocent, too.
Not at all. Its that unless the entire video is seen we're simply speculating on what happened and why. As for Orenthal, according to 12 of his peers yes he was innocent of murder. I might disagree with it as much as you disagree with the treatment of King but that's what was decided.

[TheMojoPin]

that's a very good point. sure, she's fifteen years old and probably has no idea how to detonate explosives while in custody but if an officer makes that mistake even once then it could cost him and his family their lives. I'd rather see 50,000 bludgeoned teenagers than one disrespected police officer.

I'm going to assume you're a board character and declare you to be awesome, because if any of this was serious it would be completely anti-awesome.

[silera]

Thats not what I asked. From the angle of the video does the viewer know she doesn't have a weapon?


Not at all. Its that unless the entire video is seen we're simply speculating on what happened and why. As for Orenthal, according to 12 of his peers yes he was innocent of murder. I might disagree with it as much as you disagree with the treatment of King but that's what was decided.

Actually, from the video it is quite obvious what happened. The chick was being disrespectful and the officer blew up.

The only conjecture brought into this discussion is to validate what is plain to see.

[midwestjeff]

If this girl can command bear-sharks to do her bidding then
these officers need to be killed and she needs to be crowned queen of the world.
It's only a matter of time before she violently claims the title anyway.

[TheMojoPin]

Thats not what I asked. From the angle of the video does the viewer know she doesn't have a weapon?

Wait, wait, wait...so you want people to be aware that there's a "larger context" to this video that potentially justiies what happened and to not just go by the video...but then when argue a variation of the sae logic, you now wan us to only focus on the video. It's just common sense: if the department could get out of this by showing she had a weapon, they would have already.

Not at all. Its that unless the entire video is seen we're simply speculating on what happened and why. As for Orenthal, according to 12 of his peers yes he was innocent of murder. I might disagree with it as much as you disagree with the treatment of King but that's what was decided.

It's not speculation. We know exactly what happened before and after due to the testimony of numerous eyetwitnesses and participants coupled with the video evidence. King required force to bring him down, but the officers involved clearly went well beyond that utlimately based on the video evidence. Their goal was to get him on the ground...well, they did, and then proceeded to beat the shit out of him with their clubs and feet for almost a minute and a half when they could have cuffed him and put him in the back of a squad car.

And a jury's decision is not the end-all be-all in terms of examining what actually happened. Reminding us that a jury said he didn't receive excessive force doesn't mean that that's actually the case. Juries are wrong all the time.

[Coach]

Maybe she hit the cop in the ding ding with her shoe and called him a fag...just speculating..the girl does have that Bitch/Cunt body language about her..I am sure she was very lippy and unhelpful with the gentlemen.

[sailor]

Thanks sailor, but it's Canadian, not Canadien.

that's not the female version of canadian? y'know, like comedienne?

actually, i was just going by the hockey team (http://canadiens.nhl.com/).

[Gvac]

that's not the female version of canadian? y'know, like comedienne?

actually, i was just going by the hockey team (http://canadiens.nhl.com/).

Canadien is French.

You owe ryno an apology for such a slur.

[silera]

I've just rewatched the video and noticed that at the end, the second officer removes the other sneaker and throws it out the door.

Just odd.

[made cummsies]

Wait, wait, wait...so you want people to be aware that there's a "larger context" to this video that potentially justiies what happened and to not just go by the video
The "larger context" is exactly what needs to be taken into account. If the same logic can be applied to chronic criminals that because of a whole host of excuses (they're an addict, they have a behavioral disorder, daddy didn't love them, etc.) they can use to beat a wrap then why not for the police. The burden of proof lies on the accuser that their version of what happened is fact. The short video clip IMO doesn't accomplish that.

Their goal was to get him on the ground
No it wasn't. An officers goal is to use the force required to restrain someone who isn't complying with their verbal or non-verbal commands.

And a jury's decision is not the end-all be-all in terms of examining what actually happened.
No it isn't but until a more just and accurate method is available its the best we've got.


I've just rewatched the video and noticed that at the end, the second officer removes the other sneaker and throws it out the door.

Just odd.
Maybe those big bad cops/CO's were systematically undressing her as part of their regularly scheduled Friday night rape of a law abiding random 15 year old.

[sailor]

If this were happening to a 15 year old Fanning, wouldn't we all just be clapping right about now? I say yay. (lleeder thread hint)

http://film.widarsson.se/images/dakota_fanning.jpg
?

[CofyCrakCocaine]

http://film.widarsson.se/images/dakota_fanning.jpg
?

yes but with a mullet

[O&A Sycophant #155]

I'm going to bed, I gotta get up and listen to the bbboys tomorrow before I can solidify an opinion on this matter.


frrrrrrunkis!

[Coach]

Canadien is French.

You owe ryno an apology for such a slur.
Fuck the French!

[silera]

Maybe those big bad cops/CO's were systematically undressing her as part of their regularly scheduled Friday night rape of a law abiding random 15 year old.

Again, you keep bringing in conjecture. I'm just looking at two asshole officers blowing up at a kid that's mouthing off.

I expect teens to mouth off, especially teens that are in police custody. I do not expect or condone police officers beating them.

Justifications, conjecture and any other scenarios aside, it's not their place and every time we allow it to be their place, we set up our own kids, or neighbors, or ourselves to be treated the same way.

[Coach]

Now It has probably been said before..would the outrage be any different if it happened with two female officers?...
Just playing Devil's advocate as well..
It was a jail..do you think they knew her age?..
It was a jail..do you expect the prisoners to be verbally abusive to the guards and NOT face reprisals? That would lead to anarchy and riot.

Jail is Jail for a reason..It is not supposed to be all flowers and hugs.

[made cummsies]

Again, you keep bringing in conjecture. I'm just looking at two asshole officers blowing up at a kid that's mouthing off.
And conjecture is exactly what's happening with those that are calling for the officer's heads based on a subjective view of a specific segment of the video.


Fuck the French!
Jail is Jail for a reason..It is not supposed to be all flowers and hugs.
I'm as straight as they come but I'd like to blow you right now.

[PapaBear]

I haven't read the whole thread so I don't know if anyone has posted anything more than just the video.

Once discovered, the video became instrumental in the misdemeanor assault case against Deputy Paul Schene.

Obviously, other authorities agree that the cop was wrong.

Schene then lunged through the door and kicked her, striking either her stomach or upper thigh area, court documents say. He pushed her against a corner wall before flinging her to the floor by her hair. He then squatted down on her and made "two overhead strikes," although it's unclear where the blows landed.
The detective who reviewed the video said it appeared Schene and Brunner had the girl under control when Schene struck her. Schene, who is 6 feet 2 and weighs 195 pounds, did not explain his action to investigators, court documents say.
He and the girl exchanged words. Brunner said she was "real lippy" after being informed she was under arrest and called them "fat pigs."
The Sheriff's Office policy manual says deputies should use physical or deadly force only when "necessary to effect an arrest, to defend themselves or others from violence, or to otherwise accomplish police duties according to law."


I don't think getting "real lippy" qualifies as violence.

[silera]

I don't believe I'm calling for any heads. That officer should be reprimanded and charged with whatever charges would apply. I'd assume excessive force. If he can keep his job after the law suit, I would say probably he should go through some type of anger management and most likely not be allowed direct contact with lippy girls.

[Gvac]

I don't believe I'm calling for any heads. That officer should be reprimanded and charged with whatever charges would apply. I'd assume excessive force. If he can keep his job after the law suit, I would say probably he should go through some type of anger management and most likely not be allowed direct contact with lippy girls.

Redundant.

[made cummsies]

the video became instrumental in the misdemeanor assault case against Deputy Paul Schene
Charges are inevitable and frankly the right course of action for the Kings County Sheriff's Dept as it should allow all the facts to be presented and an accurate decision to be reached.

[Mark with a k]

she deserved it

[IrishAlkey]

The guys got issues.

We're right.

You're wrong.

Fucking suck me.

[SP1!]

That's actualy not true at all. They're not above the laws they're supposed to protect.

God you gotta love how mojo turns on a dime when he thinks Im not coming back for a while, bravo sir.

[Mark with a k]

The guys got issues.

We're right.

You're wrong.

Fucking suck me.

maybe you have issues

[Coach]

Did someone say lippy?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GIPQqoKDNt8/SSaD3tnWDiI/AAAAAAAAAiM/xTvqBlWaFBs/s400/Jocelyn+Wildenstein.jpg

[silera]

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Raw_video_Deputy_shown_kicking_teen_0228.html

The girl and another 15-year-old female were arrested on suspicion of auto theft. The vehicle they were allegedly driving belonged to the victim's parents.

Several years ago, Schene shot and killed an unarmed, mentally disturbed man following a traffic stop that degenerated into a 'knock-down, drag-out' fight," noted William Grigg at lewrockwell.com. "The shooting was ruled 'justifiable.' Shortly after that incident, he was stopped for driving under the influence (apparently of prescription medication).

http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil-Liberties-Examiner~y2009m2d28-Washington-police-officer-beat-15yearold-girl-on-video

Interestingly, Schene nearly died in a bizarre traffic accident involving his police cruiser in 2005. After crashing into a minivan and then hitting a wall, he was pulled from the official vehicle by a returned Iraq vet moments before the car burst into flame.

He also has been involved in two shootings, including a 2007 incident involving Pedro Jo who died after being shot 11 times.

[IrishAlkey]

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Raw_video_Deputy_shown_kicking_teen_0228.html





http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil-Liberties-Examiner~y2009m2d28-Washington-police-officer-beat-15yearold-girl-on-video

I won't judge him until I see the rest of the video that George W. Bush refuses to release to the public.

[Coach]

I'm as straight as they come but I'd like to blow you right now.
No, that's ok..just get me some beer.

[made cummsies]

No, that's ok..just get me some beer.
phew....not only don't I really want to blow you the flight to get there would be a bitch

the beers in the mail

[ChrisTheCop]

A) It sure looks to me like the officer did was unjustified, and I would hate to be him right now.

B) I dont know why I torture myself by reading these threads. So many anti-cop people proudly rear their heads, even in the cases where the officers were right. But again, incidents like this one make it easy to hate us, and for those of you to post and say, "see? I told you in the last thread cops are assholes!"

C) I'm positive she baited him/taunted him/dared him to kick her ass. People do this all the time, and although it was terribly wrong, sometimes it's nice to see people get what they ask for, especially when they didnt expect to. People generally mouth off to cops because they know cops wont retaliate. Todays lesson: cops are human, and sometimes do things they shouldnt.

[IrishAlkey]

A) It sure looks to me like the officer did was unjustified, and I would hate to be him right now.

B) I dont know why I torture myself by reading these threads. So many anti-cop people proudly rear their heads, even in the cases where the officers were right. But again, incidents like this one make it easy to hate us, and for those of you to post and say, "see? I told you in the last thread cops are assholes!"

C) I'm positive she baited him/taunted him/dared him to kick her ass. People do this all the time, and although it was terribly wrong, sometimes it's nice to see people get what they ask for, especially when they didnt expect to. People generally mouth off to cops because they know cops wont retaliate. Todays lesson: cops are human, and sometimes do things they shouldnt.

In this thread, for the most part, I don't think people were shitting on cops, as much as we were shitting on people who think it's ok to do this just because you're a cop.

If that makes any sense...

[Coach]

Maybe I'm oldfashioned, I always had the utmost respect for cops, and never got lippy on a traffic stop..Mainly because it are the lippy ones who get/deserve a tooling up.

[TooLowBrow]

Maybe I'm oldfashioned, I always had the utmost respect for cops, and never got lippy on a traffic stop..Mainly because it are the lippy ones who get/deserve a tooling up.

why do they deserve it?


sticks and stones...

[Coach]

why do they deserve it?


sticks and stones...

As I said..I am oldfashioned..the squeaky wheel always gets greased...

[Gerald]

I'm positive she baited him/taunted him/dared him to kick her ass.

This was my suspicion too. I strongly doubt the projectile sneaker would've been enough to send the guy that far over the madness cliff, even though it could technically be construed as attempted assault. She probably thought she could do or say anything with impunity since she's a female minor. She probably has a sense of entitlement about getting away with walking all over people in positions of authority such as teachers or her parents.

[NewYorkDragons80]

I seriously doubt this girl was being coddled by her parent(s).

I'm SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO sick of people turning every kid's problem into some lecture about how soft kids are today. The minors who are getting incarcerated today are by and large low-income minorities. More often than not, they are either neglected or the discipline is too excessive. I seriously doubt this kid was coddled.

That being said, I clicked here really wanting to defend the cop, so let's hope he's got a DAMN good reason for this. Otherwise, he ought to be suspended.

[NewYorkDragons80]

What about that other deputy who just stands there and lets his partner cave in a girl's head? They're both scum.

I think the other guy wanted to restrain him at first, then realized he couldn't stop him. I got the impression that he wanted to intervene. Just my take

[sailor]

In this thread, for the most part, I don't think people were shitting on cops, as much as we were shitting on people who think it's ok to do this just because you're a cop.

If that makes any sense...

'cept that dirty disney who kept trying to mask his hatred sayin' it was only directed towards correctional officers.

[~Katja~]

I've been reading up on this case and have discovered some new information that may force some of you to rethink your positions -



Not so cut and dry now, is it you high and mighty finger pointers?

Get off your high horses!

The video I posted stated that too and watching them walking her up to the cell it was a calm walk and not a restraint shoving her in ... even if she called them names they probably (and this is only an assumption) replied to her in a similar manner (just based on the later reaction I have to assume the officer did not have much self restraint to react to a teenager with such force and violence)

To those who said what if she had a weapon, she was already in custody, the first thing they do is search for weapons before they go to a cell, so your point is mute.

She may deserve time and correctional measures for what she did leading up to the arrest but being beaten and pulled by the hair like that is not even warranted if she was in a major brawl involving multiple inmates... they do learn how to restrain prisoners without being violent against them.

[~Katja~]

C) I'm positive she baited him/taunted him/dared him to kick her ass. People do this all the time, and although it was terribly wrong, sometimes it's nice to see people get what they ask for, especially when they didnt expect to. People generally mouth off to cops because they know cops wont retaliate. Todays lesson: cops are human, and sometimes do things they shouldnt.

There is a difference in being human and making mistakes and being viciously violent.


I have to say while Spy stresses how this officer is NOT a cop he is an officer to enforce the law. I grew up in a cop family and I know that many of them were very violent often abusing their "powers".
That does not mean there were no good cops, there are plenty of them... but it seems that every country, every state every police office has at least a few black sheep amongst them.

[RoseBlood]

There is a difference in being human and making mistakes and being viciously violent.


I have to say while Spy stresses how this officer is NOT a cop he is an officer to enforce the law. I grew up in a cop family and I know that many of them were very violent often abusing their "powers".
That does not mean there were no good cops, there are plenty of them... but it seems that every country, every state every police office has at least a few black sheep amongst them.

I wholeheartedly agree. There's always black sheep amongst any profession. I have quite a few cops in my family and have had a few positive and negative experiences with them. For me, this issue isn't about cop bashing, that is easy to do. No one likes being told what to do, that is why the boss and anyone in power is usually the most hated. This is about an individual making a huge mistake which will obviously open up a can of worms and rightfully so.

[TheMojoPin]

This was my suspicion too. I strongly doubt the projectile sneaker would've been enough to send the guy that far over the madness cliff, even though it could technically be construed as attempted assault. She probably thought she could do or say anything with impunity since she's a female minor. She probably has a sense of entitlement about getting away with walking all over people in positions of authority such as teachers or her parents.

And again, none of this justifies the officer's actions towards her.

[TheMojoPin]

God you gotta love how mojo turns on a dime when he thinks Im not coming back for a while, bravo sir.

Whut.

[A.J.]

Her shoes fell awwf.

[SP1!]

A) It sure looks to me like the officer did was unjustified, and I would hate to be him right now.

B) I dont know why I torture myself by reading these threads. So many anti-cop people proudly rear their heads, even in the cases where the officers were right. But again, incidents like this one make it easy to hate us, and for those of you to post and say, "see? I told you in the last thread cops are assholes!"

C) I'm positive she baited him/taunted him/dared him to kick her ass. People do this all the time, and although it was terribly wrong, sometimes it's nice to see people get what they ask for, especially when they didnt expect to. People generally mouth off to cops because they know cops wont retaliate. Todays lesson: cops are human, and sometimes do things they shouldnt.Yeah the reason why I hold judgement is because my sister is a cop and I have heard stories from her, if I was a cop I would have killed at least 4 people from her point of view. Normal people have no fucking idea what cops deal with on a daily basis so thats why I cut them slack, most people could not handle the abuse cops take on a daily basis.

In this thread, for the most part, I don't think people were shitting on cops, as much as we were shitting on people who think it's ok to do this just because you're a cop.

If that makes any sense...You didnt pay attention at all but its ok you are always angry, Im sure your stress levels are just fine.

Whut.
Stir the pot.

[Bob Impact]

Yeah the reason why I hold judgement is because my sister is a cop and I have heard stories from her, if I was a cop I would have killed at least 4 people from her point of view. Normal people have no fucking idea what cops deal with on a daily basis so thats why I cut them slack, most people could not handle the abuse cops take on a daily basis.

You didnt pay attention at all but its ok you are always angry, Im sure your stress levels are just fine.


Stir the pot.

I've got cop friends and family as well, and I agree, they deal with a tremendous amount of bullshit on a daily basis, in fact i'm sure if you went back and found all of the threads that have been like this over the years I've almost always sided with the cops. That doesn't mean they are always justified, and this cop is certainly not justified in punching a 15 year old girl in the face repeatedly, no amount of "bullshit" that he's put up with justifies it.

[Bob Impact]

This whole thing reminds me of my childhood. When I was around that age (I may have been 16) I was arrested for some stupid shit, I wont tell the whole story but it was basically a childish prank that I didnt even do, but was in the area for. I got my fuckin' ass kicked by the arresting officer, who waited for the cuffs to go on before jamming his knee in my back and yanking me up by the cuffs, then pushing me down a set of 5 stairs, yanking me up by my shirt collar and throwing me into a set of pricker bushes. He topped this off by jamming his knee into my stomach from a standing position and pushing me down onto the street. I'll take a shot at finding the pictures that were taken after the fact, but I don't exactly keep them in a family album, suffice to say I was pretty fucked up after the fact. I never pressed charges because I was assuming I was being an asshole who got what he deserved, it's amazing how the world has changed.

[Furtherman]

here's a newsflash for EVERYONE....if a cop tells you to do something you comply and don't talk back, end of discussion! if you follow that simple rule then these sorts of things wouldn't happen

Most cops deserve the respect they don't seem to get.


The video seems to be from someone who still hates bush even though hes not president anymore, weirdness.

This is either the strangest or dumbest reply of 2009 so far.

Cops CANNOT "snap" or "blow off steam" or "over react".

Yes they can.


All I am saying is that cops cant fuck up:

They can, and they do.

Todays lesson: cops are human, and sometimes do things they shouldnt.

QFT. But I shouldn't have to quote and actual policeman.

And don't think for a second that 15 year olds - boys or girls - shouldn't get a deserved beatdown. I've worked with kids in which they were routinely restrained due to posing danger to others and themselves. The kids were troubled and needed discipline.

What the cop did seems excessive, and it seems he's had problems before, so his career may be over. But don't let this instance pass judgment on all police. They should be respected and listened to if you're dealing with them.

[foodcourtdruide]

I don't think any thinking person would suggest that this guys action represents all cops. Nor do I see being critical of this guys actions as "anti-cop".

[Bob Impact]

I don't think any thinking person would suggest that this guys action represents all cops. Nor do I see being critical of this guys actions as "anti-cop".

STOP MAKING COMMENTS THAT I AGREE WITH YOU ON.

This is way too weird.

[TheMojoPin]

You didnt pay attention at all but its ok you are always angry, Im sure your stress levels are just fine.

There's been one post in this entire thread that was arguably "anti-cop," and that one was directed specifically at CO's.

Stir the pot.

What are you even talking about?

[ChrisTheCop]

There's been one post in this entire thread that was arguably "anti-cop," and that one was directed specifically at CO's.


I disagree. Go back and substitute "african american" wherever you see the word cop,
see if it passes the test.

[IrishAlkey]

You didnt pay attention at all but its ok you are always angry, Im sure your stress levels are just fine.

What the fuck does that mean?

Now you can fucking suck me off, illiterate hick.

[TheMojoPin]

I disagree. Go back and substitute "african american" wherever you see the word cop,
see if it passes the test.

I substituted the word "dandelion" instead and it was just as relevant a substitution.

Seriously, that comparison/analogy completely fails on so many levels, namely because people are talking about things and scenarios specific to police officers and CO's. Secondly, "anti-cop" implies that people are coming in here rating about all cops and declaring them all to be bad or corrupt or whatever along those lines and posting only with the idea that all cops are bad. Who has done that here? Again, there was disneyspy's rant about CO's, but beyond that, what else is there? The rest have either been talking about this specific incident ad the guy involved or other specific incidents and the people involved in then. Where are the blanket "anti-cop" statements?

[Furtherman]

Man, I hate dandelions. I pop their heads off!

[~Katja~]

Man, I hate dandelions. I pop their heads off!

I wait until they are more mature so I can just blow their heads off

[extracheese]

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http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/seattle911/archives/163025.asp?source=mypi

[hammersavage]

Taking her mother's car without permission? That's the charge?

[silera]

I substituted the word "dandelion" instead and it was just as relevant a substitution.

Seriously, that comparison/analogy completely fails on so many levels, namely because people are talking about things and scenarios specific to police officers and CO's. Secondly, "anti-cop" implies that people are coming in here rating about all cops and declaring them all to be bad or corrupt or whatever along those lines and posting only with the idea that all cops are bad. Who has done that here? Again, there was disneyspy's rant about CO's, but beyond that, what else is there? The rest have either been talking about this specific incident ad the guy involved or other specific incidents and the people involved in then. Where are the blanket "anti-cop" statements?

It's odd that in general cops tend to defend their own, even when presented with the most damning evidence same as blacks- again in general.

I get it to a degree because I'm not an illegal immigrant but whenever anyone rants about immigration, I feel like they're disparaging me or all immigrants and it just hits a nerve.

I don't think I was trying to judge all cops in this case, and most weren't even though a few in this thread have been all too willing to assume the worst about the teenager this cop beat up.

After reading up on the story, it seems that she took her parents car without permission and because they weren't pushovers, they reported the car stolen. These parents don't sound like coddling asses to me.

I'm just yapping because in general, none of this conjecture justifies, mitigates or diminishes the fact that an officer of the law, because of the trust and power placed in him/her has a duty to carry out his responsibility BEYOND reproach.

Spiderman teaches great lessons.

[TooLowBrow]

It's odd that in general cops tend to defend their own, even when presented with the most damning evidence same as blacks- again in general.

I get it to a degree because I'm not an illegal immigrant but whenever anyone rants about immigration, I feel like they're disparaging me or all immigrants and it just hits a nerve.

I don't think I was trying to judge all cops in this case, and most weren't even though a few in this thread have been all too willing to assume the worst about the teenager this cop beat up.

After reading up on the story, it seems that she took her parents car without permission and because they weren't pushovers, they reported the car stolen. These parents don't sound like coddling asses to me.

I'm just yapping because in general, none of this conjecture justifies, mitigates or diminishes the fact that an officer of the law, because of the trust and power placed in him/her has a duty to carry out his responsibility BEYOND reproach.

Spiderman teaches great lessons.

sexy AND wise:wink:

[foodcourtdruide]

I substituted the word "dandelion" instead and it was just as relevant a substitution.

Seriously, that comparison/analogy completely fails on so many levels, namely because people are talking about things and scenarios specific to police officers and CO's. Secondly, "anti-cop" implies that people are coming in here rating about all cops and declaring them all to be bad or corrupt or whatever along those lines and posting only with the idea that all cops are bad. Who has done that here? Again, there was disneyspy's rant about CO's, but beyond that, what else is there? The rest have either been talking about this specific incident ad the guy involved or other specific incidents and the people involved in then. Where are the blanket "anti-cop" statements?

I'm curious too. What would be considered anti-cop?

[~Katja~]

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this video shows the after actions around 1:57

[ChrisTheCop]

This gives police a bad name and perpetuates the notion that police abuse their power.



Fuck that scumbag.


Fuck the dirty pig.

"Remember me, pig? Time to squeal like the little bitch you are."

And, if we all did that, the cops would be even bigger douche bags than they already are...

He was probably outside the door and told her to remove her shoes.

Just like that military kid that got shot after the highspeed chase after the cop told him to stand up.

And somehow these cops are always acquitted, so apparently people agree with that made cumsies retard.

None of that justifies a 15-year-old girl getting beat like that for kicking a shoe.

This is as far as I could re-read without getting really sad.

The last 2 posts were people assuming the cop's actions were based solely on a shoe toss, which I doubt, and which is siriusly ridiculous.

The earlier quotes, although presumably directed at this one officer, certainly display a predisposition to "not enjoying the company of" law enforcement,

I wont beat you up in your cell for failing to follow my instructions Mojo, but if you fail to realize that prejudice against one group of people can not be similar to prejudice against another group of people, I dont what to say. There are people out there who hate cops. There are people out there, and in here, who have no problems badmouthing cops, or assuming cops are automatically wrong in every decision theyve ever made.

I'm glad that Silera sees a similarity. However, the police are not the only ones we, as a society trust to do the responsible thing. We issue driver's licenses to people, trusting that they will obey the rules of the road, and dui laws. We issue carry permits, trusting that gun owners will keep their weapons safe. etc...

It appears that this guy did indeed fuck up, and if anyone thinks that he will go unpunished, I assure you he will not. My problems were with the general tone any of these discussions generally take. And yes, it is because I am one of them that I can see it, and others cant.

addendum: before anyone says the first few quotes were directed at this one guy, not cops in general...Tell that to any African American/other minority member (or dandelion if you prefer to hide your head in the sand) next time someone in their culture fucks up, and you wanna call him/her names.

[boosterp]

A) It sure looks to me like the officer did was unjustified, and I would hate to be him right now.

B) I dont know why I torture myself by reading these threads. So many anti-cop people proudly rear their heads, even in the cases where the officers were right. But again, incidents like this one make it easy to hate us, and for those of you to post and say, "see? I told you in the last thread cops are assholes!"

C) I'm positive she baited him/taunted him/dared him to kick her ass. People do this all the time, and although it was terribly wrong, sometimes it's nice to see people get what they ask for, especially when they didnt expect to. People generally mouth off to cops because they know cops wont retaliate. Todays lesson: cops are human, and sometimes do things they shouldnt.

I have two cops in my family and I can honestly equate what they do to me being a soldier. With the exception that cops get shit everyday and I only got shit on on a few occasions. Both are high stress, high profile jobs that face a ton of public scrutiny. We should thank our police officers everyday for what they do, just as we should thank our armed forces. Without these two professions we would not have the lives or the quality of life we have today. There is always a bad apple, but you do not cut the tree down just because of one bad one.

I don't think any thinking person would suggest that this guys action represents all cops. Nor do I see being critical of this guys actions as "anti-cop".

Thank you.

[TheMojoPin]

This is as far as I could re-read without getting really sad.

The last 2 posts were people assuming the cop's actions were based solely on a shoe toss, which I doubt, and which is siriusly ridiculous.

Nothing in my post was "anti-cop," and I resent the implication. Most of those quotes are directed at the CO involved in this event, and the first is talking about the general idea that incidents like this mkes cops look bad without actually saying that's a good or bad thing...it's just a statement of what happens.

The earlier quotes, although presumably directed at this one officer, certainly display a predisposition to "not enjoying the company of" law enforcement,

Some people just don't trust cops. That doesn't mean threads like this are driven by or are mostly made up of those or "anti-cop" sentiments. Most of it is made up of actual discussions of this incident and the larger context and rammifications, yet you simply want to dismiss it as "anti-cop" without actually discussing anything being talked about and debated.

I wont beat you up in your cell for failing to follow my instructions Mojo, but if you fail to realize that prejudice against one group of people can not be similar to prejudice against another group of people, I dont what to say.

Your analogy just doesn't work. For one, African-Americans are not in the position of power that cops are in. The comparison doesn't stack up at all. Secondly, the "prejudice" against cops by some people is born out of totally different reasons and origins than racism and racial prejudices. To say that the two are even remotely similar is absurd.

There are people out there who hate cops. There are people out there, and in here, who have no problems badmouthing cops, or assuming cops are automatically wrong in every decision theyve ever made.

here are far more people here who don't do that. Because of their position of power, it puts cops on a higher set of expectations from people. It also makes their actions have much more power to stir anger and distrust in people, especially those who have negative experiences with the police. Does that justify anyone who is "anti-cop?" Of course not...but it's not like everyone needs to the opposite of what you're talking about and automatically assume that cops are in the right. Sometimes you see something like this where, barring a dramatic revelation, the law enforcement officia is clearly way in the wrong.

I'm glad that Silera sees a similarity. However, the police are not the only ones we, as a society trust to do the responsible thing. We issue driver's licenses to people, trusting that they will obey the rules of the road, and dui laws. We issue carry permits, trusting that gun owners will keep their weapons safe. etc...

None of that is the same as the power and responsibility given to the police. You're right, it can be similar, but you keep talking like you want all of these things to be judged the same.

It appears that this guy did indeed fuck up, and if anyone thinks that he will go unpunished, I assure you he will not. My problems were with the general tone any of these discussions generally take. And yes, it is because I am one of them that I can see it, and others cant.

Honestly, all you ever do is focus on the "tone" when these sorts of issues come up and try and swerve the conversation to accuse people here who aren't supporting the police as being "anti-cop". Yes, a couple people will take the opportunity to just gripe about cops, but most of this thread has been a much larger, ongoing discussion over this incident and similar incidents. The vast majority of the anger and condemnation has been directed at the CO in the video, and not cops in general.

addendum: before anyone says the first few quotes were directed at this one guy, not cops in general...Tell that to any African American member (or dandelion if you prefer to hide your head in the sand) next time someone in their culture fucks up, and you wanna call him/her names.

It's not the same. A chosen occupation is in no way similar to the prejudice or worse people face due to who or wha they're born as. It's a strawman you're using to try and paint most of the people in this thread pissed over what this CO did as overly negative and "anti-cop." It's somewhat similar to trying to say that people always joking about or saying that they hate lawyers is somehow even remotely similar to what African Americans have faced in terms of racism and racial prejudice. It's just ridiculous when you stack them up.

I of course agree with the basic point that large groups of people should not be judged by the actions of a relative few (which should be obvious given my posts in this thread, contrary to your attempt to smear me as "anti-cop." Hell, my dad was a Chicago cop), but the analogy you're attempting to use is just totally inaccurate and melodramatic.

[NewYorkDragons80]

sexy AND wise:wink:

So, she cast a spell on you, too?

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[ChrisTheCop]

Mojo, I love you, but when you begin a post by quoting me saying nothing about you being anti-cop, by saying "Nothing in my post was anti-cop!", it just proves there's no helping you see my point.

Again, if you cant accept the fact that things that were said in here upset me, and that I think I shouldve never even read it, I dont know what to tell ya.

Youre telling me that although you didnt mean to hurt me, but ended up hurting me, I didnt get hurt.

Maybe the guy in this video can use the same defense.

[TheMojoPin]

Mojo, I love you, but when you begin a post by quoting me saying nothing about you being anti-cop, by saying "Nothing in my post was anti-cop!", it just proves there's no helping you see my point.

Well, I'm sorry. I saw my quote with all the other ones you seemed to be presenting as "anti-cop," so I took it that way. I apologize that I did that incorrectly.

Again, if you cant accept the fact that things that were said in here upset me, and that I think I shouldve never even read it, I dont know what to tell ya.

Youre telling me that although you didnt mean to hurt me, but ended up hurting me, I didnt get hurt.

Maybe the guy in this video can use the same defense.

I guess it's just frustrating that a lot of us are trying to actually debte or discuss this thing and then you come in and start tossing out what seem like blanket accusations that sound like this thread and most of the people in it pissed at the CO are "anti-cop." I totally understand why you'd be frustrated and angry over such sentiments when they do show up because Lord knows they do, but I just don't see how you can take most of the people here angry at this event as being "anti-cop." I also think there's a pretty big gulf between what most seem to be saying here, which is "I don't like cops who abuse their power and authority," and "I hate all cops" or "I think most or all cops do what this guy did or worse."

[Bob Impact]

This gives police a bad name and perpetuates the notion that police abuse their power.


Fuck that scumbag.


None of that justifies a 15-year-old girl getting beat like that for kicking a shoe.


Not one of these quotes is anti-cop in any way. I work for a major company in their corporate office, I dont take any time someone says "Fuckin scumbags" in reference to a bailout CEO as a slam against all corporate people, you shouldnt take someone saying one cop is a scumbag as an indictment of all cops.

[RoseBlood]

I work for a major company in their corporate office

fuckin fat cat corporate scum.

[Bob Impact]

fuckin fat cat corporate scum.

And proud of it. :thumbup:

[DolaMight]

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[Contra]

Are there any child endangerment charges being brought against this calm, collected individual?

The girl is a child, no matter how lippy she gets, or how many shoes she throws, she is still just a child. I see no difference in this and him pinning a five year old girl to the floor and repeatedly beating her in the face. I'm sure there would be less talk about how justified he was if that were actually the case