When Photoshop Mike Called...

[#1FanofESD]

Shouldn't that tell Fez something.

He should step away from the show and do something else.

Do we really think he likes doing the show these days? The guy talks about how happy he is doing live reads and says his job isn't to entertain the fans. That's more than enough evidence to me that maybe his time has just passed as being a co-host of a comedic radio show.

He has done enough in radio that he can do something else in this field. Maybe he can be a behind the scenes guy for Sirius/XM and allow Ron to move on with someone else.

Where does it say that The Ron and Fez Show has to last forever?

And save it if you are going to tell me to go fuck myself.

I am not hating on Fez at all. I just don't think he's happy doing the show and he seems to be flustered by the pressure put on him day after day to do the show.

Ron doesn't realize it, but when he is constantly taking everything Fez says and pointing out that it's either 'wrong' or 'based on fiction' he is pushing him farther and farther away from ever getting back to being the 'old Fez'.

That 'old Fez' people are longing for doesn't exist anymore. Most people aren't who they were 10 years ago. Isn't that normal? That's the most normal thing about Fez is that he isn't the same person he was back in the day and for some reason he thinks it's a bad thing when he should in fact just be living and evolving as a person.

I am beyond the days of being annoyed with Fez for crying or being bitchy or acting like he's trying to change when he's really not. He is who he is now.

Am I 'not getting the bit guy'?

Whatever. If you think that then you are probably just someone who hates change, will die defending the show and loves the few times you can actually remember when Fez made you laugh with him and not at him.

Most of us wouldn't want someone we cared about doing something they are not happy doing any longer. At one time the Ron and Fez Show was the best thing in world for Fez.

That statement isn't true any longer.

JMHO.

[ToiletCrusher]

And save it if you are going to tell me to go fuck myself.


Then what am I supposed to say?

[Tallman388]

no

[beachbum]

I will agree that at times Ron exhibits a passive aggressive thing that sometimes helps to shut Fez down.Otherwise,not really.

[Marc with a c]

this website sucks www.ron.net

[mikeyboy]

That wasn't Photoshop Mike who called.

Regardless, I'll pass on playing armchair psychiatrist and listen to the show and enjoy it as long as they decide to do it.

[ToiletCrusher]

That wasn't Photoshop Mike who called.

But that doesn't change the content of the phone call.

[mikeyboy]

But that doesn't change the content of the phone call.

Well, in a sense it does, because his point is that if PSMike, who never has a negative thing to say, has a call like that, it should tell you something. It wasn't Mike, so that point should be disregarded.

[~Katja~]

Just felt I had to post this.. Ron commented today that " Photoshopmike" was bust'n Fezzies chops on the air today when a guy named MIKE called in.. I called in to clear my name only to find out that they had just gone to break.. ESD knew it wasnt me and would tell the boys. I just would HATE to think that anyone would think that I would EVER come down or rip on Fez. I am a huge fan and friend of the guys and show and would NEVER berate ( Other than Photoshops ) of the guys.. but THATS all in fun :)

Thats feels better, Done ranting

- Photoshopmike

I think anybody with half a brain understood that it was just a bit that Ron played to stir the pot... no worries


I can't speak for others but I never thought it was the real Photoshop Mike.



...

[slames]

Am I the only one who laughs at Fez? Does Ron constantly shut him down with insults and pick apart what he says to make him look dumb? Yes! Does he do that to almost everyone working on the show? Double yes! If fez ever pipes up to try and add something Ron takes the wind out of his sails and makes it look like Fez is dumb. But to be honest I laugh every time. Fez is a big, gay, punching bag! But Ron treats everyone like that. Has anyone noticed how Ron is NEVER called out for being wrong about ANYTHING? Is this because he is somehow more than human? Or is it that everyone he surrounds himself with is either stupid or insane? I find it hard to believe that Dave, Fez, Pepper, and Earl when he was around are as terrible at their jobs as they make them out to be. Its the structure of the show that Ron is the captain of this ship of fools. So I'll ignore your advice to save it and tell you to go fuck yourself or go to hell or whatever it is I could say to get you to stop bashing a show you CHOOSE to listen to.

[ToiletCrusher]

Well, in a sense it does, because his point is that if PSMike, who never has a negative thing to say, has a call like that, it should tell you something. It wasn't Mike, so that point should be disregarded.

That makes sense.

But, just because this comment is not coming from someone with connections to the show, it doesn't devalue the opinion.

Sure, there is less clout when coming from a stranger but perhaps this person "Mike" was a long time listener as well without a thing bad ever to say.

We just don't know. But, if someone thought it, it must have been important enough for them to voice their concern.

[Photoshop Mike]

It wasnt me who called in that day.. I even called to explain to the guys during the show to explain that but by the time I called in they were already going to break, They even said to me on the phone that ESD KNEW it wasnt me and was planning to tell Fez. I cant . for one second that ANYONE who knows me, what I do behind the scenes etc.. WOULD EVER THINK That I would EVER do that. That really upsets me. I Love Ron, Fez Everyone involved with the show, They have al changed my life GREATER than any of you will EVER KNOW.

Connections and Friends that I have made through the show have been huge!
Helping me with my Special Fx and Make-up Career, Meeting Paul O and the GAP guys, Working with Devarez Films LTD and Zombie Hunters Show, Not to mention The whole WHATLEY POSSE and what that means to me.

Just to put the record straight :)

[BlackSpider]

It wasnt me who called in that day.. I even called to explain to the guys during the show to explain that but by the time I called in they were already going to break, They even said to me on the phone that ESD KNEW it wasnt me and was planning to tell Fez. I cant . for one second that ANYONE who knows me, what I do behind the scenes etc.. WOULD EVER THINK That I would EVER do that. That really upsets me. I Love Ron, Fez Everyone involved with the show, They have al changed my life GREATER than any of you will EVER KNOW.

Connections and Friends that I have made through the show have been huge!
Helping me with my Special Fx and Make-up Career, Meeting Paul O and the GAP guys, Working with Devarez Films LTD and Zombie Hunters Show, Not to mention The whole WHATLEY POSSE and what that means to me.

Just to put the record straight :)




I knew it wasn't you...

[ToiletCrusher]

You posted that it wasn't you in the listening thread for that day.

Seems like the thread starter didn't know that.

[FezsAssistant]

Whoever it was that called was right. I bet Ron agrees.

[drjoek]

Well, in a sense it does, because his point is that if PSMike, who never has a negative thing to say, has a call like that, it should tell you something. It wasn't Mike, so that point should be disregarded.

Stop playing armchair psychiatrist

[ToiletCrusher]

Stop playing armchair psychiatrist

Don't you have an appreciation thread to tend to?

Go back to your cave!

[instrument]

Fez would be the perfect third mic, but he hasn't seemed like rons partner for a while.

But I guess I'd be depressed too though if I saw myself turning into my mother....

If what opie said on air was tru and after hearing him hang out with them on oscar night I'd be more than willing to listen to ron and opie.

Never found him that interesting on OandA but really enjoyed him that day.

[Don Stugots]

Wow, I never thought I would see a photoshop mike heel turn. This may be worse then Barry windham's heel turn on Arn Anderson.

[msaundersecw]

Here's the truth:

The only thing worse than Fez crying is Ron defending him from callers who are 100% right. Ron's fucking genius response to Mike saying "you are paid to provide an entertaining radio show, not get on and act like this is therapy for you. Why can't you be funny, like you were hired to be?" was "oh yeah Mike what about you are you being funny like you're asking Fez to be?". No, Ron, he isn't, because he isn't paid a large sum of money by a satellite radio company to do so. It skirts the issue at hand, and tries to turn a listener with a good point into the bad guy. Ron may be funny, but this just once again reinforces my opinion that when he's not being funny, Ron is intolerable. He's continuing his enabling bullshit he does so well. I really want to reach through the radio and strangle his fat neck.

Turning paying listeners who are giving legitimate points of view into bad guys just because he doesn't want to hurt his friend's feelings is unprofessional and infuriating. It's one thing to help Fez out and shield him, but to blindly deny legitimate points is illogical, something that Ron so often prides himself on (in his usual condescending manner). Then again I'm not surprised because this was the same man who kept Earl on for years out of some bizarre kind of loyalty to him, despite the fact that, much like Fez, it was ruining whatever kind of "show" they were doing (I say "show" in quotations because whenever this bullshit happens, they're just people airing shit out over the air, instead of doing a produced show. Like it's a show about a show, and they never get to what the show actually is).

Fez is a damaged individual, and needs to hit bottom before he will want to help himself. He's getting "help" now, in the form of an enabling psychiatrist, and claims he wants to get better, but he really doesn't. He is mentally sick, and is trying to hold onto exactly where he is rather than actually changing or outright improving. As someone who has been in therapy many times, there really is a distinct difference between going to someone for help, and actually WANTING to be helped. Fez right now is just trying to get by, and it's going to take something big, like perhaps losing his job, to feel compelled to change.

I WANT to listen but honest to God I don't know how much more I can take. Whenever the show improves, it immediately turns around and plummets back down again. And most often, sadly, it's due to Fez. It's easy for me to shrug off Ant being Ant, because he's an idiot. I can't get around Fez, though, because he's a flat out lunatic.

[ToiletCrusher]

Fez is a damaged individual, and needs to hit bottom before he will want to help himself. He's getting "help" now, in the form of an enabling psychiatrist, and claims he wants to get better, but he really doesn't. He is mentally sick, and is trying to hold onto exactly where he is rather than actually changing or outright improving. As someone who has been in therapy many times, there really is a distinct difference between going to someone for help, and actually WANTING to be helped. Fez right now is just trying to get by, and it's going to take something big, like perhaps losing his job, to feel compelled to change.



Your ability to call it like it is amazes me.

How can you possibly say that the psychiatrist is an enabler? Do you actually sit in on the sessions? Because if you do not, you are not able to speak to the matter.

Having sought therapy as you claim you have, you would understand that each person's situation is unique to them. So, you know nothing about his situation besides what you hear in the radio show.

To make judgment on something that you really don't know much about shows that you are simply the one with problems that still need to be dealt with so you can stop looking at things with a skewed sense of reality.

[dino_electropolis]

It wasnt me who called in that day.. I even called to explain to the guys during the show to explain that but by the time I called in they were already going to break, They even said to me on the phone that ESD KNEW it wasnt me and was planning to tell Fez. I cant . for one second that ANYONE who knows me, what I do behind the scenes etc.. WOULD EVER THINK That I would EVER do that. That really upsets me. I Love Ron, Fez Everyone involved with the show, They have al changed my life GREATER than any of you will EVER KNOW.

Connections and Friends that I have made through the show have been huge!
Helping me with my Special Fx and Make-up Career, Meeting Paul O and the GAP guys, Working with Devarez Films LTD and Zombie Hunters Show, Not to mention The whole WHATLEY POSSE and what that means to me.

Just to put the record straight :)

Mike, i cant believe you abandoned your friends and sold them out the way you did!!!!


jk....from my limited interactions with mike, i can vouch for his upstanding character.

Now, who am i to vouch for anyone? Well, thats beside the point.

[KatPw]

Your ability to call it like it is amazes me.

How can you possibly say that the psychiatrist is an enabler? Do you actually sit in on the sessions? Because if you do not, you are not able to speak to the matter.

Having sought therapy as you claim you have, you would understand that each person's situation is unique to them. So, you know nothing about his situation besides what you hear in the radio show.

To make judgment on something that you really don't know much about shows that you are simply the one with problems that still need to be dealt with so you can stop looking at things with a skewed sense of reality.

This.


And in regards to being "paying listeners", we pay Sirius/XM to hear their content, we don't pay Ron and Fez. Their show, their business to do with it what they wish.

[Greyer]

Are you not entertained? Isn't that the point? I can say that when there are personal feelings brought up on the air it can be more entertaining than any other portion of the show.

[Drunky McBetidont]

if i knew mod things i'd retitle this thread, "fuck youself, dosen't-get-the-bit-guy."

[zildjian361]

Shouldn't that tell Fez something.

He should step away from the show and do something else.

Do we really think he likes doing the show these days? The guy talks about how happy he is doing live reads and says his job isn't to entertain the fans. That's more than enough evidence to me that maybe his time has just passed as being a co-host of a comedic radio show.

He has done enough in radio that he can do something else in this field. Maybe he can be a behind the scenes guy for Sirius/XM and allow Ron to move on with someone else.

Where does it say that The Ron and Fez Show has to last forever?

And save it if you are going to tell me to go fuck myself.

I am not hating on Fez at all. I just don't think he's happy doing the show and he seems to be flustered by the pressure put on him day after day to do the show.

Ron doesn't realize it, but when he is constantly taking everything Fez says and pointing out that it's either 'wrong' or 'based on fiction' he is pushing him farther and farther away from ever getting back to being the 'old Fez'.

That 'old Fez' people are longing for doesn't exist anymore. Most people aren't who they were 10 years ago. Isn't that normal? That's the most normal thing about Fez is that he isn't the same person he was back in the day and for some reason he thinks it's a bad thing when he should in fact just be living and evolving as a person.

I am beyond the days of being annoyed with Fez for crying or being bitchy or acting like he's trying to change when he's really not. He is who he is now.

Am I 'not getting the bit guy'?

Whatever. If you think that then you are probably just someone who hates change, will die defending the show and loves the few times you can actually remember when Fez made you laugh with him and not at him.

Most of us wouldn't want someone we cared about doing something they are not happy doing any longer. At one time the Ron and Fez Show was the best thing in world for Fez.

That statement isn't true any longer.

JMHO.

go fuck yourself:bye:

[~Katja~]

Here's the truth:

.

the truth or your personal opinion?

[msaundersecw]

the truth or your personal opinion?

truth....try to put your "homerism" of R & F aside and you should be able to find it. I love the show as much as the next person but the facts are painfully obvious to see

[zildjian361]

Here's the truth:

The only thing worse than Fez crying is Ron defending him from callers who are 100% right. Ron's fucking genius response to Mike saying "you are paid to provide an entertaining radio show, not get on and act like this is therapy for you. Why can't you be funny, like you were hired to be?" was "oh yeah Mike what about you are you being funny like you're asking Fez to be?". No, Ron, he isn't, because he isn't paid a large sum of money by a satellite radio company to do so. It skirts the issue at hand, and tries to turn a listener with a good point into the bad guy. Ron may be funny, but this just once again reinforces my opinion that when he's not being funny, Ron is intolerable. He's continuing his enabling bullshit he does so well. I really want to reach through the radio and strangle his fat neck.

Turning paying listeners who are giving legitimate points of view into bad guys just because he doesn't want to hurt his friend's feelings is unprofessional and infuriating. It's one thing to help Fez out and shield him, but to blindly deny legitimate points is illogical, something that Ron so often prides himself on (in his usual condescending manner). Then again I'm not surprised because this was the same man who kept Earl on for years out of some bizarre kind of loyalty to him, despite the fact that, much like Fez, it was ruining whatever kind of "show" they were doing (I say "show" in quotations because whenever this bullshit happens, they're just people airing shit out over the air, instead of doing a produced show. Like it's a show about a show, and they never get to what the show actually is).

Fez is a damaged individual, and needs to hit bottom before he will want to help himself. He's getting "help" now, in the form of an enabling psychiatrist, and claims he wants to get better, but he really doesn't. He is mentally sick, and is trying to hold onto exactly where he is rather than actually changing or outright improving. As someone who has been in therapy many times, there really is a distinct difference between going to someone for help, and actually WANTING to be helped. Fez right now is just trying to get by, and it's going to take something big, like perhaps losing his job, to feel compelled to change.

I WANT to listen but honest to God I don't know how much more I can take. Whenever the show improves, it immediately turns around and plummets back down again. And most often, sadly, it's due to Fez. It's easy for me to shrug off Ant being Ant, because he's an idiot. I can't get around Fez, though, because he's a flat out lunatic.

welcome aboard. if the show get's to heavy try 92.3 NOW:wink:

[~Katja~]

truth....try to put your "homerism" of R & F aside and you should be able to find it. I love the show as much as the next person but the facts are painfully obvious to see

If you believe you know what the "truth" is behind all of Fez' problems then maybe you should be his next therapist.

It's not the truth, it's your perception!

[mikeyboy]

The "truth" is that anyone who thinks they know exactly what Fez needs is most likely full of shit -- hence my "armchair psychiatrist" comment above. There's no question that Fez is suffering through some things right now, but, given the complexity of the human brain and the differences in the way every single person reacts to things, to assume that someone knows exactly what is necessary is the height of arrogance.

[CHUCKWAGONCOOK]

When Fezzie and I were at the Turkey Trot last Thanksgiving Day in Clearwater Florida, he was just fine. No tears, no big problems, a very happy day.

As proof of this, I give you Exhibit A; Photograph of such event.

http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo92/chuckwagoncook_2008/012-2.jpg

Fezzie is just fine!!

[mikeyboy]

When Fezzie and I were at the Turkey Trot last Thanksgiving Day in Clearwater Florida, he was just fine. No tears, no big problems, a very happy day.

As proof of this, I give you Exhibit A; Photograph of such event.

http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo92/chuckwagoncook_2008/012-2.jpg

Fezzie is just fine!!

If I assert that the key to mental health is more CHUCKWAGONCOOK, they're going to laugh me out of the institute.

[KatPw]

When Fezzie and I were at the Turkey Trot last Thanksgiving Day in Clearwater Florida, he was just fine. No tears, no big problems, a very happy day.

As proof of this, I give you Exhibit A; Photograph of such event.

http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo92/chuckwagoncook_2008/012-2.jpg

Fezzie is just fine!!

Well, you guys were in Clearwater, Fla, a mecca of Scientology. Fez knows better than to cry there, the Swat team would haul him off for an auditing.

[underdog]

Here's the truth:

The only thing worse than Fez crying is Ron defending him from callers who are 100% right. Ron's fucking genius response to Mike saying "you are paid to provide an entertaining radio show, not get on and act like this is therapy for you. Why can't you be funny, like you were hired to be?" was "oh yeah Mike what about you are you being funny like you're asking Fez to be?". No, Ron, he isn't, because he isn't paid a large sum of money by a satellite radio company to do so. It skirts the issue at hand, and tries to turn a listener with a good point into the bad guy. Ron may be funny, but this just once again reinforces my opinion that when he's not being funny, Ron is intolerable. He's continuing his enabling bullshit he does so well. I really want to reach through the radio and strangle his fat neck.

Turning paying listeners who are giving legitimate points of view into bad guys just because he doesn't want to hurt his friend's feelings is unprofessional and infuriating. It's one thing to help Fez out and shield him, but to blindly deny legitimate points is illogical, something that Ron so often prides himself on (in his usual condescending manner). Then again I'm not surprised because this was the same man who kept Earl on for years out of some bizarre kind of loyalty to him, despite the fact that, much like Fez, it was ruining whatever kind of "show" they were doing (I say "show" in quotations because whenever this bullshit happens, they're just people airing shit out over the air, instead of doing a produced show. Like it's a show about a show, and they never get to what the show actually is).

Fez is a damaged individual, and needs to hit bottom before he will want to help himself. He's getting "help" now, in the form of an enabling psychiatrist, and claims he wants to get better, but he really doesn't. He is mentally sick, and is trying to hold onto exactly where he is rather than actually changing or outright improving. As someone who has been in therapy many times, there really is a distinct difference between going to someone for help, and actually WANTING to be helped. Fez right now is just trying to get by, and it's going to take something big, like perhaps losing his job, to feel compelled to change.

I WANT to listen but honest to God I don't know how much more I can take. Whenever the show improves, it immediately turns around and plummets back down again. And most often, sadly, it's due to Fez. It's easy for me to shrug off Ant being Ant, because he's an idiot. I can't get around Fez, though, because he's a flat out lunatic.

Oh, just shut the fuck up already.

Don't listen. No one gives a fuck.

[West.Coast.Skippy]

Shouldn't that tell Fez something.

He should step away from the show and do something else.

Do we really think he likes doing the show these days? The guy talks about how happy he is doing live reads and says his job isn't to entertain the fans. That's more than enough evidence to me that maybe his time has just passed as being a co-host of a comedic radio show.

He has done enough in radio that he can do something else in this field. Maybe he can be a behind the scenes guy for Sirius/XM and allow Ron to move on with someone else.

Where does it say that The Ron and Fez Show has to last forever?

And save it if you are going to tell me to go fuck myself.

I am not hating on Fez at all. I just don't think he's happy doing the show and he seems to be flustered by the pressure put on him day after day to do the show.

Ron doesn't realize it, but when he is constantly taking everything Fez says and pointing out that it's either 'wrong' or 'based on fiction' he is pushing him farther and farther away from ever getting back to being the 'old Fez'.

That 'old Fez' people are longing for doesn't exist anymore. Most people aren't who they were 10 years ago. Isn't that normal? That's the most normal thing about Fez is that he isn't the same person he was back in the day and for some reason he thinks it's a bad thing when he should in fact just be living and evolving as a person.

I am beyond the days of being annoyed with Fez for crying or being bitchy or acting like he's trying to change when he's really not. He is who he is now.

Am I 'not getting the bit guy'?

Whatever. If you think that then you are probably just someone who hates change, will die defending the show and loves the few times you can actually remember when Fez made you laugh with him and not at him.

Most of us wouldn't want someone we cared about doing something they are not happy doing any longer. At one time the Ron and Fez Show was the best thing in world for Fez.

That statement isn't true any longer.

JMHO.

i think you have a lot of good points. i usually love the show, but i think fez's dysfunction is completely real, and hampered by the unique nature of his job. damn, there are so many examples... do you remember last week they started the show talking about how they didn't take away from school anything that the teacher's taught? i.e. what they 'learned' in school wasn't history or math, but how to roam the halls with a bathroom pass, etc. (sorry, i know that isn't the best recollection of the discussion) well later in that same show, the topic of influential cultures in early america came up, and fez offered the netherlands. he was (is) exactly right... the netherlands is mentioned in the second damn paragraph of the encarta entry on 'pilgrims (american history)'. and there are things like this over and over where ron is stomping on fez. now the truth is, i would flip out with joy to hear fez challenge ron a little more, and probably, ron would like that, too! but it's just not happening right now and maybe, maybe, fez has 'moved on' and indeed he'd be happier and perform better (one reinforcing the other) in another role at siri.

[happytypinggirl]

What always shocks me are people who stop liking something, for whatever reason...and they think that because THEY dont like it...it should no longer exist.

WTF?

If you dont like something and you turn it off, its almost like it doesn't exist for you. So why do people feel the need to say something should end? Or someone should quit?

Why are there people left in the world who think that their own tastes should dictate what the rest of us get to hear? The arrogance of that mindset is staggering to me.

[underdog]

What always shocks me are people who stop liking something, for whatever reason...and they think that because THEY dont like it...it should no longer exist.

WTF?

If you dont like something and you turn it off, its almost like it doesn't exist for you. So why do people feel the need to say something should end? Or someone should quit?

Why are there people left in the world who think that their own tastes should dictate what the rest of us get to hear? The arrogance of that mindset is staggering to me.

I miss the old HTG. HTG was so much better before.

[STC-Dub]

Then what am I supposed to say?

My sentiments exactly.

[msaundersecw]

Oh, just shut the fuck up already.

Don't listen. No one gives a fuck.

When the fuck did I ever say ANYTHING about not listening or liking the show to the show?

What always shocks me are people who stop liking something, for whatever reason...and they think that because THEY dont like it...it should no longer exist.

WTF?

If you dont like something and you turn it off, its almost like it doesn't exist for you. So why do people feel the need to say something should end? Or someone should quit?

Why are there people left in the world who think that their own tastes should dictate what the rest of us get to hear? The arrogance of that mindset is staggering to me.

Once again, WHAT? Nobody EVER said anything about not liking the show, at least I didn't. I don't think anyone cares whether it's a bit or not. The point is it's terrible radio. The callers that day proved they're tired of it as they usually do when the "crying" starts.

Never once did I post about hating or not liking the show, all I said was about Ron taking feedback from listeners who are more than often correct in their assessments or tired of the same repetitive on-air discussions and turning them into the bad guy while skirting the issue at hand or just continuing to "milk" or enable Fez FOR the sake of radio. Once again I quote:

"Then again I'm not surprised because this was the same man who kept Earl on for years out of some bizarre kind of loyalty to him, despite the fact that, much like Fez, it was ruining whatever kind of "show" they were doing."

Jesus Christ I thought this would be the least "homerist" fan website out there but apparently not.

[underdog]

When the fuck did I ever say ANYTHING about not listening or liking the show to the show?

I WANT to listen but honest to God I don't know how much more I can take.

"Then again I'm not surprised because this was the same man who kept Earl on for years out of some bizarre kind of loyalty to him, despite the fact that, much like Fez, it was ruining whatever kind of "show" they were doing."

Jesus Christ I thought this would be the least "homerist" fan website out there but apparently not.

I hate the Earl point.

Just because you HEAR something on a RADIO SHOW doesn't make it fact. You have zero idea of what goes on or went on behind the scenes with Earl and Ron.

If "homerist" means getting sick of people thinking they know what the fuck goes on behind the scenes of a radio show or know what's going on in someone's brain because they listen to an ENTERTAINMENT program, then that's me!

Also, just so you know, Ron's best friend isn't Danny Doring.

[msaundersecw]

I hate the Earl point.

Just because you HEAR something on a RADIO SHOW doesn't make it fact. You have zero idea of what goes on or went on behind the scenes with Earl and Ron.

If "homerist" means getting sick of people thinking they know what the fuck goes on behind the scenes of a radio show or know what's going on in someone's brain because they listen to an ENTERTAINMENT program, then that's me!

Also, just so you know, Ron's best friend isn't Danny Doring.

Ok, then it's just an on-air bit and we've all been had for the sake of ENTERTAINMENT! Close the thread baby! You can hate the Earl point all you want but if it's not a "bit" then it's true if all the on-air discussions about it were genuine.

#1FanofESD pretty much nailed it on point.

[The Ogre]

So at one point Ron did the show with Diaz and Fez was in a producer/third mic capacity right? So who's to say the natural evolution of the show won't see ESD who is in the producer/third mic spot move up into co host? Shit, it's already at that point now, only problem is the poor red headed fucker isn't getting Fez's bags of money from Sirius and doesn't get the credit. Just leave things as they are now, as in the Ron and Dave show with Fez as third mic. Keep Fez's name on the marquee and throw ESD some more dough. At a one kid per year rate that dude is gonna need some scrilla fo' rilla.

[jauble]

truth....try to put your "homerism" of R & F aside and you should be able to find it. I love the show as much as the next person but the facts are painfully obvious to see

If you say this you dont love the show as much as the next person, your probably more of a shock and jock guy arent you?

Also you didnt expect "homerism" at the official unofficial website of the show. Why would the hosts bring up things on a board that doesn't like them?

[Tears]

Ok, then it's just an on-air bit and we've all been had for the sake of ENTERTAINMENT! Close the thread baby! You can hate the Earl point all you want but if it's not a "bit" then it's true if all the on-air discussions about it were genuine.

#1FanofESD pretty much nailed it on point.

Pay no attention to the star fuckers.

Especially the ones that don't realize that without the vagina they would be nothing but another hole.

[underdog]

Pay no attention to the star fuckers.

Especially the ones that don't realize that without the vagina they would be nothing but another hole.

Without the vagina, I'd still have no vagina.

Your metaphor sucks.

[Tears]

Without the vagina, I'd still have no vagina.

Your metaphor sucks.

1. Read post

2. Comprehend post

3. Think of witty retort

4. Post said retort.


You skipped at least one of these steps.

[happytypinggirl]

When the fuck did I ever say ANYTHING about not listening or liking the show to the show?



Once again, WHAT? Nobody EVER said anything about not liking the show, at least I didn't. I don't think anyone cares whether it's a bit or not. The point is it's terrible radio. The callers that day proved they're tired of it as they usually do when the "crying" starts.

Never once did I post about hating or not liking the show, all I said was about Ron taking feedback from listeners who are more than often correct in their assessments or tired of the same repetitive on-air discussions and turning them into the bad guy while skirting the issue at hand or just continuing to "milk" or enable Fez FOR the sake of radio. Once again I quote:

"Then again I'm not surprised because this was the same man who kept Earl on for years out of some bizarre kind of loyalty to him, despite the fact that, much like Fez, it was ruining whatever kind of "show" they were doing."

Jesus Christ I thought this would be the least "homerist" fan website out there but apparently not.


ummm...i wasnt talking to you or about you. i was answering the opening post.

[jauble]

1. Read post

2. Comprehend post

3. Think of witty retort

4. Post said retort.


You skipped at least one of these steps.

This is no way to win a beaniecup

[happytypinggirl]

I miss the old HTG. HTG was so much better before.

huh?

[jauble]

huh?

He was being angry typing guy.

[happytypinggirl]

Pay no attention to the star fuckers.

Especially the ones that don't realize that without the vagina they would be nothing but another hole.

soooo if you have a vagina, you dont have a valid point or cant be liked for anything but your vagina?

oh...i see. when did we travel back to 1955?

p.s.-- how would you be a hole without the vagina?

[Tears]

soooo if you have a vagina, you dont have a valid point or cant be liked for anything but your vagina?


Thanks, you put it nicer than I did.

[Tears]

p.s.-- how would you be a hole without the vagina?


See Fez.

[jauble]

See Fez.

shock poster

[happytypinggirl]

Thanks, you put it nicer than I did.

so are you gay? or do you just hate women AND men?

[disneyspy]

fuck photoshop mike,fuck him in his stupid ass

[Foster]

Ok, then it's just an on-air bit and we've all been had for the sake of ENTERTAINMENT! Close the thread baby! You can hate the Earl point all you want but if it's not a "bit" then it's true if all the on-air discussions about it were genuine.

#1FanofESD pretty much nailed it on point.

it amazes me that when people post negatively about a member of the show, on their fan site, they're shocked when others jump all over them

[MacVittie]

The show I fell in love with is basically the Ron & Dave show. I love when Ron interviews guests, and I loved when Ron, Dave, Pepper, and Earl talked about music and sports and whatnot. That's my kind of show. A Fez-heavy show just isn't my thing. In the grand scheme of things I'm probably a "new" listener still, so everything thing I've heard about "old Fez" is hearsay. But I think current Fez is fine. He's made me laugh periodically, much of the time its at him but he's made some really good jokes in the last two years.

I can totally see why, with the newer Sirius audience that hasn't heard the show before, they really want to get Fez's personality out there and are working towards that but to me he's a great third mic. That's what he was when I became a fan of the show and I'm content if that's the way it stays.

[jauble]

The show I fell in love with is basically the Ron & Dave show. I love when Ron interviews guests, and I loved when Ron, Dave, Pepper, and Earl talked about music and sports and whatnot. That's my kind of show. A Fez-heavy show just isn't my thing. In the grand scheme of things I'm probably a "new" listener still, so everything thing I've heard about "old Fez" is hearsay. But I think current Fez is fine. He's made me laugh periodically, much of the time its at him but he's made some really good jokes in the last two years.

I can totally see why, with the newer Sirius audience that hasn't heard the show before, they really want to get Fez's personality out there and are working towards that but to me he's a great third mic. That's what he was when I became a fan of the show and I'm content if that's the way it stays.

True but the guy who started this has been around longer than I have.

[ruggedo]

soooo if you have a vagina, you dont have a valid point or cant be liked for anything but your vagina?

oh...i see. when did we travel back to 1955?

p.s.-- how would you be a hole without the vagina?

Wow was it really like that in 1955? :P

[jauble]

Wow was it really like that in 1955? :P

Ask fez

[disneyspy]

i like it when old people talk bout thier teen years in the 50s,leave HTG alone

hey deb,did you know the fonz?

[Foster]

i like it when old people talk bout thier teen years in the 50s,leave HTG alone

hey deb,did you know the fonz?

that would be funny if she was friends with grandson back then

[underdog]

He was being angry typing guy.

At least you understand my humor, friend.

[disneyspy]

At least you understand my humor, friend.

you must really miss that ps3

[underdog]

you must really miss that ps3

I do. I miss it so much.

[Photoshop Mike]

fuck photoshop mike,fuck him in his stupid ass


Wha?

[BlackSpider]

Wha?

Don't take it personally,
He wants to be the .Net heel...

[Hithead]

Dave, why don't you use your real name?

[disneyspy]

no one saw jay and silent bob strike back? its how i learned to use messageboard talk

[Photoshop Mike]

Lol.. I was just play'n along ;)

[zildjian361]

listening to the replays today, every:laugh:time Fez sez AND i:laugh::laugh:

[underdog]

no one saw jay and silent bob strike back?

Doesn't sound familiar. Do you mean Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure?

[#1FanofESD]

Well, in a sense it does, because his point is that if PSMike, who never has a negative thing to say, has a call like that, it should tell you something. It wasn't Mike, so that point should be disregarded.

Way to lawyer it up.

How about the fact that Ron, Fez and Dave thought it could be Photoshop Mike. They didn't say 'no way, there is no way in hell that a guy like Photoshop Mike who is the leader of the Whatley Posse would call in and say those things'.

Instead they jumped at the first inkling that it was him and went from there.

That should tell us that they also have a sense that even the die hards are growing tired of the Fez issues.

It's now an even bigger blemish.

[underdog]

Way to lawyer it up.

How about the fact that Ron, Fez and Dave thought it could be Photoshop Mike. They didn't say 'no way, there is no way in hell that a guy like Photoshop Mike who is the leader of the Whatley Posse would call in and say those things'.

Instead they jumped at the first inkling that it was him and went from there.

That should tell us that they also have a sense that even the die hards are growing tired of the Fez issues.

It's now an even bigger blemish.

Uh, if you listened to that and thought they were serious, then you probably also thought there was really another radio show joining 202.

[mikeyboy]

Way to lawyer it up.

Ugh. Actually paying attention to the details of an argument is lawyering it up? Swell. The central point of the beginning of your post was no more because it wasn't Mike and I was pointing that out.

How about the fact that Ron, Fez and Dave thought it could be Photoshop Mike. They didn't say 'no way, there is no way in hell that a guy like Photoshop Mike who is the leader of the Whatley Posse would call in and say those things'.

Instead they jumped at the first inkling that it was him and went from there.

That should tell us that they also have a sense that even the die hards are growing tired of the Fez issues.

It's now an even bigger blemish.

Guess what? I don't think anyone actually thought it was PSMike at all. I'm betting it was just an angle they decided to go with on the air.

[#1FanofESD]

Are you not entertained? Isn't that the point? I can say that when there are personal feelings brought up on the air it can be more entertaining than any other portion of the show.

The first 100 times I was entertained.

The last 100 times I turned the dial.

Heard it all before and it winds up with Ron getting annoyed and saying this...

'Now all the attention is on Fez, blah blah blah...'

'You take all the advice and don't use any of it, blah blah blah...'

'How much are you paying that with doctor?, blah blah blah...'

Same bit over and over.

I have been listening for fve years now. For the first four years I hardly missed any part of any shows.

Lately. I still listen everyday, but when that bit starts up I turn the dial for a while.

[zildjian361]

:wallbash::banning:

[underdog]

Guess what? I don't think anyone actually thought it was PSMike at all. I'm betting it was just an angle they decided to go with on the air.

Way to lawyer up.

[underdog]

The first 100 times I was entertained.

The last 100 times I turned the dial.

Heard it all before and it winds up with Ron getting annoyed and saying this...

'Now all the attention is on Fez, blah blah blah...'

'You take all the advice and don't use any of it, blah blah blah...'

'How much are you paying that with doctor?, blah blah blah...'

Same bit over and over.

I have been listening for fve years now. For the first four years I hardly missed any part of any shows.

Lately. I still listen everyday, but when that bit starts up I turn the dial for a while.

What kind of radio are you using with a dial?

[~Katja~]

How about the fact that Ron, Fez and Dave thought it could be Photoshop Mike. They didn't say 'no way, there is no way in hell that a guy like Photoshop Mike who is the leader of the Whatley Posse would call in and say those things'.



who knew "didn't get the bit guy" really does exist...




That should tell us that they also have a sense that even the die hards are growing tired of the Fez issues.



speak for yourself and not others!

[#1FanofESD]

When Fezzie and I were at the Turkey Trot last Thanksgiving Day in Clearwater Florida, he was just fine. No tears, no big problems, a very happy day.

As proof of this, I give you Exhibit A; Photograph of such event.

http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo92/chuckwagoncook_2008/012-2.jpg

Fezzie is just fine!!

Yeah and he wasn't behind a mic with Ron pointing out his mistakes over and over.

He wasn't under any pressure.

That's a great thing.

[hammersavage]

Yeah and he wasn't behind a mic with Ron pointing out his mistakes over and over.

He wasn't under any pressure.

That's a great thing.

You don't think there is any pressure standing for a picture, smiling next to the portly gentleman who will kill you one day?

[zildjian361]

go eli snow or is this you

[~Katja~]

You don't think there is any pressure standing for a picture, smiling next to the portly gentleman who will kill you one day?

I think he was fake MR. Smith who called in and said he would rape him before he kills him

[#1FanofESD]

What always shocks me are people who stop liking something, for whatever reason...and they think that because THEY dont like it...it should no longer exist.

WTF?

If you dont like something and you turn it off, its almost like it doesn't exist for you. So why do people feel the need to say something should end? Or someone should quit?

Why are there people left in the world who think that their own tastes should dictate what the rest of us get to hear? The arrogance of that mindset is staggering to me.

So you think Fez likes doing the show? You like hearing Fez have a mental breakdown once a week? You like hearing Ron berate his friend so consistently about his opinion being 'wrong' that it is now accepted as part of the show?

Give it a rest. What you like is being HTG.

And please show us all your arrogance and dispute that here on RF.net.

There are parts of the show I like and parts I don't.

Why would I turn it off if I like parts of the show?

And stop with the high and mighty fucking act already. We get it, you think your shit don't stink.

Is anyone surprised that HTG tried to avoid the points being made and turn this into a 'this guy is greedy and he only cares about himself' post?

No, because you're a homer.

Forget the fact that you may even think a change would help Fez get along better in life you would never say it 'publicly' because then you may catch some heat from Ron.

[~Katja~]

So you think Fez likes doing the show? You like hearing Fez have a mental breakdown once a week? You like hearing Ron berate his friend so consistently about his opinion being 'wrong' that it is now accepted as part of the show?

Give it a rest. What you like is being HTG.

And please show us all your arrogance and dispute that here on RF.net.

There are parts of the show I like and parts I don't.

Why would I turn it off if I like parts of the show?

And stop with the high and mighty fucking act already. We get it, you think your shit don't stink.

Is anyone surprised that HTG tried to avoid the points being made and turn this into a 'this guy is greedy and he only cares about himself' post?

No, because you're a homer.

Forget the fact that you may even think a change would help Fez get along better in life you would never say it 'publicly' because then you may catch some heat from Ron.

stop personally attacking HTG for her opinion. You stated yours and have been getting opposing opinions, why is that so hard for you to accept?

[disneyspy]

stop personal attacking HTG for her opinion. You stated yours and have been getting opposing opinions, why is that so hard for you to accept?

stop attacking him for attacking her,we need to be discussing something relevant,like brittanypablo

[hammersavage]

stop attacking him for attacking her,we need to be discussing something relevant,like brittanypablo

Please stop attacking her for attacking him for attacking her, we need to be discussing something relevant, like Misty's lost avie.

[#1FanofESD]

Uh, if you listened to that and thought they were serious, then you probably also thought there was really another radio show joining 202.

Funny how you didn't post this statement until Mikeyboy told you it wasn't Photoshop Mike.

Nice try though.

[underdog]

Forget the fact that you may even think a change would help Fez get along better in life you would never say it 'publicly' because then you may catch some heat from Ron.

No, she'd probably discuss it privately with Ron and Fez, as she knows them more than the show she hears on the radio. Why would she post about it on a fucking message board?

[underdog]

Funny how you didn't post this statement until Mikeyboy told you it wasn't Photoshop Mike.

Nice try though.

What?! That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Listen to the clip again, stupid.

Also, it was apparent it wasn't Photoshop Mike because he didn't plug anything during the call.

[#1FanofESD]

Ugh. Actually paying attention to the details of an argument is lawyering it up? Swell. The central point of the beginning of your post was no more because it wasn't Mike and I was pointing that out.



Guess what? I don't think anyone actually thought it was PSMike at all. I'm betting it was just an angle they decided to go with on the air.

That's the fall back plan huh.

And then it will be 'he doens't get the bit'.

You and HTG always try to 'save the show' and make it about the bas poster guy who is hating on the show.

Relax soldier. I made a thread and said my opinion.

It's not a big deal.

[#1FanofESD]

who knew "didn't get the bit guy" really does exist...


speak for yourself and not others!

Ahhhh, there we go.

The homer of all homer defense mechanisms.

'He doesn't get the bit', lol.

[underdog]

Ahhhh, there we go.

The homer of all homer defense mechanisms.

'He doesn't get the bit', lol.

YOU MIGHT BE THE ONLY PERSON WHO THOUGHT IT WAS PHOTOSHOP MIKE.

It seems everyone else was able to pick up on the sarcasm and jokiness of the whole "bit".

Also, you really thought there was going to be a new radio show on 202, didn't you?

I think its weird that Ron's best friend is Danny Doring and we haven't heard him on the radio since the fight. You think he'd come on every once in a while.

[Gvac]

While I don't agree with EVERYTHING #1FanofESD posted I have to admit he made a lot of good points. It's also obvious he's a passionate fan of the show.

Debate is good.

Insults and attacks never change anyone's mind.

[hammersavage]

Ahhhh, there we go.

The homer of all homer defense mechanisms.

'He doesn't get the bit', lol.

Lol indeed. The only defense you could have is water on the brain.

[hammersavage]

While I don't agree with EVERYTHING #1FanofESD posted I have to admit he made a lot of good points. It's also obvious he's a passionate fan of the show.

Debate is good.

Insults and attacks never change anyone's mind.

I agree.

Eat shit and die, creepazoid.

[~Katja~]

Ahhhh, there we go.

The homer of all homer defense mechanisms.

'He doesn't get the bit', lol.

you keep making this Homer comparison, I don't quite get it... maybe you should be watching another show rather than listening to a radio show that entertains your mind without funny pictures. Get over yourself. You absolutely cannot accept anybodies opinion unless it mirrors yours.

[underdog]

Insults and attacks never change anyone's mind.

Neither does debate.

[~Katja~]

stop attacking him for attacking her,we need to be discussing something relevant,like brittanypablo

yeah there is a difference in people stating their opinion and this guy making really snide remarks about people just cause they disagree with him.



and Britney? I missed her... though she may be a bit too tan to be my friend now

[mikeyboy]

That's the fall back plan huh.

And then it will be 'he doens't get the bit'.

You and HTG always try to 'save the show' and make it about the bas poster guy who is hating on the show.

Relax soldier. I made a thread and said my opinion.

It's not a big deal.

Unreal. Did I belittle you in any way? Did I attack you? Did I tell you that your opinion could not possibly be valid? Of course not. I merely pointed out the flaws in your argument. You responded and I reponded again. Suddenly it turns into shots at me and how I conduct myself. Bravo.

Okay, for the sake of argument, if they did really think it was PSMike, and the fact that they responded with something like "wow, even Photoshop Mike is against you" or whatever it was, rather than "My God. Photoshop Mike would never say that", it somehow proves your point? It doesn't. Some of us are rationally trying to respond to your statements and you are turning it to attacking the people who are posting. That's schoolyard crap.

[disneyspy]

you keep making this Homer comparison, I don't quite get it... maybe you should be watching another show rather than listening to a radio show that entertains your mind without funny pictures. Get over yourself. You absolutely cannot accept anybodies opinion unless it mirrors yours.

doh!

[hammersavage]

and Britney? I missed her... though she may be a bit too tan to be my friend now

Racist

[Gvac]

Neither does debate.

I believe otherwise.

Care to discuss it?

[ToiletCrusher]

I believe otherwise.

Care to discuss it?

More like you care to discuss it.

I'll attack you good!

[Dell]

Please stop attacking her for attacking him for attacking her, we need to be discussing something relevant, like Misty's lost avie.

X2... I miss that avie :down:

[underdog]

I believe otherwise.

Care to discuss it?

Never!

[#1FanofESD]

While I don't agree with EVERYTHING #1FanofESD posted I have to admit he made a lot of good points. It's also obvious he's a passionate fan of the show.

Debate is good.

Insults and attacks never change anyone's mind.

Thank you.

And I am a passionate fan of the show.

I would also be a fan of seeing Fez find something in his life that doesn't create such a pressure filled environment for him on a daily basis where the people he loves most are the ones who at times are contributing to him feeling the way he does.

The people in here who are bashing me are the ones who would jump off a bridge if Ron told them to.

Thats weak sauce - And yeah Underdog, I am talking directly to you.

[underdog]

The people in here who are bashing me are the ones who would jump off a bridge if Ron told them to.

Thats weak sauce - And yeah Underdog, I am talking directly to you.

I would jump off a bridge. But that's because my PS3 died. I'm not sure I can continue.

And it's underdog, Mr. 51 posts. Try raising your post count before you dare mention my name!

[happytypinggirl]

So you think Fez likes doing the show? You like hearing Fez have a mental breakdown once a week? You like hearing Ron berate his friend so consistently about his opinion being 'wrong' that it is now accepted as part of the show?

Give it a rest. What you like is being HTG.

And please show us all your arrogance and dispute that here on RF.net.

There are parts of the show I like and parts I don't.

Why would I turn it off if I like parts of the show?

And stop with the high and mighty fucking act already. We get it, you think your shit don't stink.

Is anyone surprised that HTG tried to avoid the points being made and turn this into a 'this guy is greedy and he only cares about himself' post?

No, because you're a homer.

Forget the fact that you may even think a change would help Fez get along better in life you would never say it 'publicly' because then you may catch some heat from Ron.

if you like parts of the show why are you implying that it should end, when you ask 'who says ron and fez has to last forever'?

i didnt try to avoid any points. i commented on the one part of your post. im not aware of any rule that when you post in a thread, you have to comment on every single thing that had been said.

To answer your questions, yes i think Fez likes doing the show, and thats why he is there every day. No, I dont like hearing Fez have a mental breakdown, it breaks my heart hearing him upset. And yes i think disagreement is an integral part of most talk shows.

As far as whether fez would be better off with a change...thats not my decision to make its his, and he certainly has more information about what would be 'good for him' than i would.

ps...yes, im a homer. and proud.

[#1FanofESD]

you keep making this Homer comparison, I don't quite get it... maybe you should be watching another show rather than listening to a radio show that entertains your mind without funny pictures. Get over yourself. You absolutely cannot accept anybodies opinion unless it mirrors yours.

No. You just want to protect the show like a sheep.

You haven't addressed the points I made. Instead you are just trying to turn the thread into a 'get him because he's not being 'Mr. Everything is great in Ron and Fex land'.

I started the thread to have some discussion, not to be told I don't get the bit or that I should not listen any longer or that I am all about just trying to attack Fez.

I said so much in the OP. I care that Fez is at a breaking point and saying that he's going to turn it around every day isn't going to make that a reality. It's been years now that been the 'new Fez' and maybe it's time he starts living life as that person.

Not sitting around living his life as someone trying to be who he was 10 years ago because the OG fans want that to happen.

Can you even uderstand the kind of pressure it puts on him?

[CHUCKWAGONCOOK]

I blame HTG and her PALTALK room!!!

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(http://s365.photobucket.com/albums/oo92/chuckwagoncook_2008/?action=view&current=047.flv)

[PapaBear]

No. You just want to protect the show like a sheep.
You mean like one of those viscous killer guard sheep?

[STC-Dub]

I did not know that Ron had that much power!

[happytypinggirl]

I blame HTG and her PALTALK room!!!

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(http://s365.photobucket.com/albums/oo92/chuckwagoncook_2008/?action=view&current=047.flv)

:unsure:

[underdog]

No. You just want to protect the show like a sheep.

Sheep protect stuff?

What is with all the awful metaphors in this thread?

[CHUCKWAGONCOOK]

:unsure::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[msaundersecw]

it amazes me that when people post negatively about a member of the show, on their fan site, they're shocked when others jump all over them

I'm more shocked you can't put the homerism aside and look at the bigger picture or facts contained within. The whole "if you say that then you're not a fan" doesn't fly either, sorry guys.

[CHUCKWAGONCOOK]

I'm more shocked you can't put the homerism aside and look at the bigger picture or facts contained within. The whole "if you say that then you're not a fan" doesn't fly either, sorry guys.
Didn't Homer write about Atlantis and other fabled stories?

[#1FanofESD]

if you like parts of the show why are you implying that it should end, when you ask 'who says ron and fez has to last forever'?

i didnt try to avoid any points. i commented on the one part of your post. im not aware of any rule that when you post in a thread, you have to comment on every single thing that had been said.

To answer your questions, yes i think Fez likes doing the show, and thats why he is there every day. No, I dont like hearing Fez have a mental breakdown, it breaks my heart hearing him upset. And yes i think disagreement is an integral part of most talk shows.

As far as whether fez would be better off with a change...thats not my decision to make its his, and he certainly has more information about what would be 'good for him' than i would.

ps...yes, im a homer. and proud.

I think it's obvious that the parts of the show I would like to see end are the ones where Fez sits there crying and feeling like shit for being himself.

The one where he is asked for his opinion and then when he gives it he is made to look stupid for feeling that way.

I think I could do without that part of the show and so could Fez.

And I also implied that Ron could move onto something else which I would gladly listen to. I think Ron is one of the funniest people I have ever heard, but I also don't think he's fully aware that he's part of Fez's problem.

Or maybe he is and he's being the good soldier for SiriusXM by using whatever resources surround him for supposed 'good radio'. And that's based on the notion that he thinks 'good radio' is to turn his partner into a crying mess a few times a month and using it as show content.

[Dell]

I'm more shocked you can't put the homerism aside and look at the bigger picture or facts contained within. The whole "if you say that then you're not a fan" doesn't fly either, sorry guys.

my favorite homerism is

"Mmmmmm Beer."

gets me everytime

[disneyspy]

i do a kickass homer impression

[CHUCKWAGONCOOK]

i do a kickass homer impression
Maybe you should call me and let me hear it.

727-251-6903

[slames]

I'm so tired of these arguments! Douchebag: "I don't like Fez" Fans: "Don't listen" Douchebag: "But I'm a fan." Fans: "No you're not a fan if you don't like the show" Douchebag: "You guys are sheep and you're not fans if you don't complain about a show you like enough to join a message board about. I love Fez and only want him to get better SHAME ON YOU" I would love to take the high ground and say you should voice your opinions. But I'm too tired of reading these disingenuous attacks on Fez masked with this "I'm concerned for fez" horseshit. STOP PRETENDING YOU LIKE WHAT YOU'RE BITCHING ABOUT!!!

[underdog]

The one where he is asked for his opinion and then when he gives it he is made to look stupid for feeling that way.

I don't think you've realized this (how, I'll never know) but RON IS A BULLY. If anyone disagrees with him, he usually tries to make that person feel like an idiot, unless they're having a real, in-depth conversation. It's what he ALWAYS does. Listen to a conversation between Ron and Dave some time. Ron constantly trashes his opinion.

Didn't Ron have the reputation of a bully pushing a teddy bear into a lake, or something like that before?

I'm so tired of these arguments! Douchebag: "I don't like Fez" Fans: "Don't listen" Douchebag: "But I'm a fan." Fans: "No you're not a fan if you don't like the show" Douchebag: "You guys are sheep and you're not fans if you don't complain about a show you like enough to join a message board about. I love Fez and only want him to get better SHAME ON YOU" I would love to take the high ground and say you should voice your opinions. But I'm too tired of reading these disingenuous attacks on Fez masked with this "I'm concerned for fez" horseshit. STOP PRETENDING YOU LIKE WHAT YOU'RE BITCHING ABOUT!!!

I like your jib.

[underdog]

i do a kickass homer impression

Me too.

But as the sun was rising from the fair sea into the firmament of heaven to shed light on mortals and immortals, they reached Pylos the city of Neleus. Now the people of Pylos were gathered on the sea shore to offer sacrifice of black bulls to Neptune lord of the Earthquake. There were nine guilds with five hundred men in each, and there were nine bulls to each guild. As they were eating the inward meats and burning the thigh bones [on the embers] in the name of Neptune, Telemachus and his crew arrived, furled their sails, brought their ship to anchor, and went ashore.

[CHUCKWAGONCOOK]

Me too.

But as the sun was rising from the fair sea into the firmament of heaven to shed light on mortals and immortals, they reached Pylos the city of Neleus. Now the people of Pylos were gathered on the sea shore to offer sacrifice of black bulls to Neptune lord of the Earthquake. There were nine guilds with five hundred men in each, and there were nine bulls to each guild. As they were eating the inward meats and burning the thigh bones [on the embers] in the name of Neptune, Telemachus and his crew arrived, furled their sails, brought their ship to anchor, and went ashore.
The Odyssey Rules!!!

[JBLouisville]

No, I dont have a huge Post Count, but you can see when I signed up.

The Ron and Fez show is the best radio out there right now, and Fez is a part of that.

East Side Dave is also a great part of the show and I love when he is on mike.

I love the regulars (HTG, mikeyboy, etc)

It's hard for me to grasp that the show could get much better.

[PapaBear]

No, I dont have a huge Post Count, but you can see when I signed up.

The Ron and Fez show is the best radio out there right now, and Fez is a part of that.

East Side Dave is also a great part of the show and I love when he is on mike.

I love the regulars (HTG, mikeyboy, etc)

It's hard for me to grasp that the show could get much better.
How DARE someone with a low post count say the show is good!:bye:

[WampusCrandle]

i would like to bring up this point:

Fez has come a long, long, long way from a little over a year ago! Yes, he used to cry on air once or twice a week on air, and now, it seems quite rare. he went almost two months without crying. yes, that really isn't an accomplishment, per say, but, in terms of coming to terms with things and trying to move on with life, its a huge step. He is more upbeat than last year, he is putting himself out in society more, and sounds more confident in many of his stances, even if they end where Fez didn't think it would go.

What the fuck is it with SOME people having the memories of nats, unless it was something awkward or out of the ordinary? He doesn't cry every second, like some are suggesting. He hadn't done it in a long time, so maybe the few should stop jumping on Fez like it's still a constant problem.

Fez does have some problems, yes. and just like the rest of us, many of our personal problems can affect our jobs. thats what is happening. but, its obvious that Ron and Fez are turning them into, what i consider, gold.

Also, lets stop with the "i'm not being entertained, so i must have my opinion known" bullshit. they aren't here for pure entertainment purposes, they are talk radio, which includes comedy/ entertainment. I'm just tired of people needing to be heard and known, and not enough of actual listening and comprehending of what is pure genius coming through your speakers.

if you don't like it, dont listen. if you don't like it, change the station. if you don't like it, why join a board, be surprised that people will disagree. if you dont like it, go fuck your dead parents.

HTG is nothing but intelligent, witty, beautiful, and can convey a message without being an asshole, unlike some of the posters in this fucking dumb thread. she isn't a celebrity, yes, but those acting like she is just to put her down are truly pathetic - back the fuck up.

[The Ogre]

Jesus Christ. If I was a 49 year old millionaire who got to hang out with my friends for a living and had people on messageboards talk about me in this coddling "ooh look the baby made a poo poo" fashion, I'd shitcan my entire career path.

The fact that people want Fez to stick around because they hung out at bar crawls with him 8 years ago, or know him personally is irrelevant to me. I just want some entertainment. As fucking amazing as that may be to some who think they're insiders or understand the inner workings of Sirius, The Ron and Fez show's purpose is to ENTERTAIN subscribers. To that end, pay Dave what he's worth as a co-host and let Fez stay in the background as third mic. It's obvious that he is either unwilling or incapable of being the Fez almost everyone wants him to be. To me Dave's a better second to Ron than Fez is anyway. I find myself disappointed when ESD isn't on the show. I don't feel the same when Fez is gone.

[WampusCrandle]

Jesus Christ. If I was a 49 year old millionaire who got to hang out with my friends for a living and had people on messageboards talk about me in this coddling "ooh look the baby made a poo poo" fashion, I'd shitcan my entire career path.

The fact that people want Fez to stick around because they hung out at bar crawls with him 8 years ago, or know him personally is irrelevant to me. I just want some entertainment. As fucking amazing as that may be to some who think they're insiders or understand the inner workings of Sirius, The Ron and Fez show's purpose is to ENTERTAIN subscribers. To that end, pay Dave what he's worth as a co-host and let Fez stay in the background as third mic. It's obvious that he is either unwilling or incapable of being the Fez almost everyone wants him to be. To me Dave's a better second to Ron than Fez is anyway. I find myself disappointed when ESD isn't on the show. I don't feel the same when Fez is gone.

.....BORING.......

it has no baring on whether you work with just people or your friends, possibly environment, but even then. depression will dictate the mood of actions, not your friends. I have never been to any of the bar crawls, as you put it, and i want Ron and Fez to stay Ron and Fez; I've listened since the AFRO days. You dont have to be an insider to go to the fun, YOU DECIDE NOT TO. so, dont start to judge those that side for Ron AND Fez when you choose to keep a large distance between them and you.

It's a talk radio show. Entertainment is a changing definition, and frankly, who said that because YOU aren't entertained, the show isnt working? Fez, as well as Ron, have been transforming on the show since its started, and they can't be what they were, and they dont want to be. they are always changing and being different. the fact that you pay attention to side people instead of the main characters on a show should show your lack of understanding and inability to grow with the show. just stop listening if you dont like it. will call you when your imaginary show comes to be.

You want Dave to be third mike .... I hope a monkey eats your face.

[disneyspy]

i agree with alot of what wampus says except they have been changing for along time,when they were in tampa the show was more shock jockery and music,then they came to orlando to be syndicated in the southeast and they lost the music and toned the show down.fez became less over the top gay with every move and ron became more like bob lassiter,the shows evolving,23 years in the biz it only makes sense.for those of you that want to whine about the pre xm NY days i think the year they spent in orlando was the best year in radio ever,but things change,i cant expect to hear paulo get tortured everyday,flippers stunts,make fun of dead german tourists,and inapprpriate top 10s from the dishwasher dude anymore,those days are over

[disneyspy]

Maybe you should call me and let me hear it.

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ha,i already have your number,you didnt need to post it,you so crazy

[CountryBob]

I love the show and I hope that it can go on forever. I have listened for over 3 years and hardly missed a show. I laugh out loud often and that's something that dosent happen with other radio shows. Thanks Ron and Fez!

I feel like compliment guy all of a sudden but I felt that this thread needed a little love.

[Death Metal Moe]

Wow, how did I miss this well thought out, well informed thread started by someone with a lot of insight into Fez's actual condition?

Does anyone else find it amusing that it's bascially 2 to 3 posters with extremely LOW post counts, no avatars and no sig pics against the rest of us?

Makes me feel we got a fucking Troll here. Don't take his bait anymore, he's getting off on being a cunt.

And as for the 2 people in here who don't think Fez should be on the air anymore:

We the posters, and more importantly, RON, don't care what you think. No one has EVER changed the content of any radio show due to messageboard discussions. So if you don't like it I suggest you stop torturing yourself and stop listening. No one made you listen and no one keeps you at the radio.

Ron has always and will always make the kind of show he wants and have on who he wants. If he is happy with the show dynamic, that's his business.

Another thing you obviously don't understand because you're either a new fan or just a fag board troll is Ron and Fez's personal friendship and how they treat friends of the show. They give back so much to just common fans, can you imagine how strong their personal friendship is? Ron isn't about to just give up on Fez anytime soon.

The End.

[disneyspy]

Wow, how did I miss this well thought out, well informed thread started by someone with a lot of insight into Fez's actual condition?

Does anyone else find it amusing that it's bascially 2 to 3 posters with extremely LOW post counts, no avatars and no sig pics against the rest of us?

Makes me feel we got a fucking Troll here. Don't take his bait anymore, he's getting off on being a cunt.

And as for the 2 people in here who don't think Fez should be on the air anymore:

We the posters, and more importantly, RON, don't care what you think. No one has EVER changed the content of any radio show due to messageboard discussions. So if you don't like it I suggest you stop torturing yourself and stop listening. No one made you listen and no one keeps you at the radio.

Ron has always and will always make the kind of show he wants and have on who he wants. If he is happy with the show dynamic, that's his business.

Another thing you obviously don't understand because you're either a new fan or just a fag board troll is Ron and Fez's personal friendship and how they treat friends of the show. They give back so much to just common fans, can you imagine how strong their personal friendship is? Ron isn't about to just give up on Fez anytime soon.

The End.

dont presume to speak for the rest of us,ok?thx

[~Katja~]

No. You just want to protect the show like a sheep.

You haven't addressed the points I made. Instead you are just trying to turn the thread into a 'get him because he's not being 'Mr. Everything is great in Ron and Fex land'.

I started the thread to have some discussion, not to be told I don't get the bit or that I should not listen any longer or that I am all about just trying to attack Fez.

I said so much in the OP. I care that Fez is at a breaking point and saying that he's going to turn it around every day isn't going to make that a reality. It's been years now that been the 'new Fez' and maybe it's time he starts living life as that person.

Not sitting around living his life as someone trying to be who he was 10 years ago because the OG fans want that to happen.

Can you even uderstand the kind of pressure it puts on him?

Listen, I am not going to address your points about Fez, not only because I disagree but simply because I sarcastically stated before that you have absolutely no insight into how Fez is feeling or what he needs simply based on listening to a show you apparently don't even understand.
If you did not get that Ron was playing a bit when he called the listener PSM, why do you think you actually understand what is going on with Fez, what is a bit and what is reality?!

[EliSnow]

go eli snow or is this you

What? I'm reading this thread for the first time and suddenly I see this post coming from left field.

[drjoek]

What? I'm reading this thread for the first time and suddenly I see this post coming from left field.

Go Eli Snow!
http://imgsrv.wrbq.fm/image/wrbq/UserFiles/Image/cheerleader.jpg

[briarjumper]

OK ... I am breaking a very long silence by registering and posting on this board. I began listening to Ron & Fez in the early 90's when the Ron & Ron Show was carried by an AM station in Lexington, KY. After that, I burnt a lot of calories trying to hear them. I had friends record the shows and send me cassettes, I searched the net, etc. When the Buddies made it to XM, I bought a receiver and subscribed. Since they have been on XM, I have heard each minute of each live broadcast. (I am saying all of this only to show that I do have a history of listening.)

I have always enjoyed the show and still do. Having said that, here is my opinion:

It is very well known that Ron NEVER fires anyone. He pushes them until they break and then the person in question quits. I firmly believe that is what Ron is doing with Fez.

[Whiskeyportal]

OK ... I am breaking a very long silence by registering and posting on this board. I began listening to Ron & Fez in the early 90's when the Ron & Ron Show was carried by an AM station in Lexington, KY. After that, I burnt a lot of calories trying to hear them. I had friends record the shows and send me cassettes, I searched the net, etc. When the Buddies made it to XM, I bought a receiver and subscribed. Since they have been on XM, I have heard each minute of each live broadcast. (I am saying all of this only to show that I do have a history of listening.)

I have always enjoyed the show and still do. Having said that, here is my opinion:

It is very well known that Ron NEVER fires anyone. He pushes them until they break and then the person in question quits. I firmly believe that is what Ron is doing with Fez.

Too bad you don't have 5,000 posts, no one will listen to you. Oh, and you have no avatar or sig pic.

[AKA]

No. You just want to protect the show like a sheep.

You mean like one of those viscous killer guard sheep?

Oh, come on people - how can you ignore this great line from Papabear?

http://www.andyofniall.net/assets/Blog/black-sheep.jpg

Way to lawyer it up, losers.

[WampusCrandle]

Too bad you don't have 5,000 posts, no one will listen to you. Oh, and you have no avatar or sig pic.

exactly - i dont even count. reread what i wrote when i hit 5000

[The Ogre]

.....BORING.......

it has no baring on whether you work with just people or your friends, possibly environment, but even then. depression will dictate the mood of actions, not your friends. I have never been to any of the bar crawls, as you put it, and i want Ron and Fez to stay Ron and Fez; I've listened since the AFRO days. You dont have to be an insider to go to the fun, YOU DECIDE NOT TO. so, dont start to judge those that side for Ron AND Fez when you choose to keep a large distance between them and you.

It's a talk radio show. Entertainment is a changing definition, and frankly, who said that because YOU aren't entertained, the show isnt working? Fez, as well as Ron, have been transforming on the show since its started, and they can't be what they were, and they dont want to be. they are always changing and being different. the fact that you pay attention to side people instead of the main characters on a show should show your lack of understanding and inability to grow with the show. just stop listening if you dont like it. will call you when your imaginary show comes to be.

You want Dave to be third mike .... I hope a monkey eats your face.


Jesus Christ dude. I could throw a can of alphabet soup onto a sheet of notebook paper and it would make more sense than what you just wrote.

Also dunce, FEZ WAS ONCE A SIDE CHARACTER JUST LIKE DAVE(all caps to help you process this). It was the RON & RON show. You are in the middle of two arguments and lose both. First you say "Entertainment is a changing definition" whatever the fuck that meant. Then you drop a gem like " Ron and Fez have been transforming on the show since it started". Overlooking the fact that your shaky grasp on English makes it seem like they are turning into cockroaches, YOU ARE MAKING MY POINT FOR ME. Fez is transforming himself right the fuck off of the air through his silence. The true lack of ability to grow is in not realizing that the old queen is slowly riding off into the sunset, while ESD comes in to fill the void.

Regarding the bar crawls, I went to a couple of them in '01. I had some fun with a bunch of other fans, had a few of the show characters come talk to me, got drunk, and enjoyed hanging out. But at the same time, there was a real sense of cunty entitlement from a lot of these ancillary douchebags. The same sense of entitlement that pops up on the board when just because somebody joined in '01 or has 10000 posts, they think they are more of a fan than someone who recently joined. Not to mention there was also a bunch of seriously fucking average to below average chicks who got gassed up into thinking they were 10's because Ron let them speak into a mic every now and then. The point of this is that there is no need for anyone to be an "insider" as you call them. At their worst they are show killers grinding to show to a halt either with their in studio presence or by Ron playing to a dozen people on a message board. At their best they are sycophants who fall into a weird behavioral pattern that I see a lot of. A frantic race to see who can be first to be a bottom for Ron.

I eagerly await your poorly spelled and grammatically incorrect reply.

[AKA]

.....BORING.......

I hope a monkey eats your face.

Jesus Christ dude. I could throw a can of alphabet soup onto a sheet of notebook paper and it would make more sense than what you just wrote.

blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-bah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-blah-

I eagerly await your poorly spelled and grammatically incorrect reply.

He wants a monkey to eat your face - what's so difficult about that to understand? Would you rather it be one of Papabear's killer guard sheep?

[TripleSkeet]

I like Fezzie and really do hope he continues to get better.

That being said, I think if he were to go a Ron & Dave Show would be a huge success.

[The Ogre]

He wants a monkey to eat your face - what's so difficult about that to understand? Would you rather it be one of Papabear's killer guard sheep?


I gotcha. I was just trying to reply to him with something of greater substance than "go fuck yourself dummy".

[WampusCrandle]

Jesus Christ dude. I could throw a can of alphabet soup onto a sheet of notebook paper and it would make more sense than what you just wrote.

Also dunce, FEZ WAS ONCE A SIDE CHARACTER JUST LIKE DAVE(all caps to help you process this). It was the RON & RON show. You are in the middle of two arguments and lose both. First you say "Entertainment is a changing definition" whatever the fuck that meant. Then you drop a gem like " Ron and Fez have been transforming on the show since it started". Overlooking the fact that your shaky grasp on English makes it seem like they are turning into cockroaches, YOU ARE MAKING MY POINT FOR ME. Fez is transforming himself right the fuck off of the air through his silence. The true lack of ability to grow is in not realizing that the old queen is slowly riding off into the sunset, while ESD comes in to fill the void.

Regarding the bar crawls, I went to a couple of them in '01. I had some fun with a bunch of other fans, had a few of the show characters come talk to me, got drunk, and enjoyed hanging out. But at the same time, there was a real sense of cunty entitlement from a lot of these ancillary douchebags. The same sense of entitlement that pops up on the board when just because somebody joined in '01 or has 10000 posts, they think they are more of a fan than someone who recently joined. Not to mention there was also a bunch of seriously fucking average to below average chicks who got gassed up into thinking they were 10's because Ron let them speak into a mic every now and then. The point of this is that there is no need for anyone to be an "insider" as you call them. At their worst they are show killers grinding to show to a halt either with their in studio presence or by Ron playing to a dozen people on a message board. At their best they are sycophants who fall into a weird behavioral pattern that I see a lot of. A frantic race to see who can be first to be a bottom for Ron.

I eagerly await your poorly spelled and grammatically incorrect reply.

Are you supposed to be the "i'm-new-but-i-have-listened-since-they-started-in-Florida-and-must-be-validated-because-i'm-a-cunt-and-need-attention" guy?

your response to mine is that exact kind of person that complains about everything. you have to go past what is given to you, and dig a little. you're as deep as a fucking puddle.

Didn't half of the Ron & Ron show leave because of their wife's unfortunate turn with HIV? You're an ass if you can't see that there is a difference between that and the show now? how would the show not be changing? its always changing - if it wasnt, then why would anyone want to listen? you may as well listen to your favorite airing of the Ron & Fez show over and over again until you die alone.

you child, there is no entitlement. if anything, you are acting entitled, with your NEED to be heard, like it would matter. yes, post counts dont count, but their content does - so i guess YOU lose on both.

i dont see anything wrong with my English, since your irrelevant self needed to point it out.

just because you dont have this personal relationship with Ron & Fez, that you cream yourself to, you have to bash the show. that is what i get out of your boring post.

i hope you can find a better bit to be ....

[WampusCrandle]

He wants a monkey to eat your face - what's so difficult about that to understand? Would you rather it be one of Papabear's killer guard sheep?

thanks, sassy pants

I gotcha. I was just trying to reply to him with something of greater substance than "go fuck yourself dummy".

shut up, you high brow cunt - you're obviously trying to be higher than the rest of the posters/ listeners.

doesn't matter what substance you give: "GO FUCK YOURSELF DUMMY"

[mikeyboy]

okay.






There is clearly a lot of emotion surrounding these arguments. Can we, first of all, make these arguments without turning it personal? Second, there's a little bit of dismissiveness on both sides. One side's statements are dismissed because they are termed "homers" and the other is dismissed because they "aren't fans". Can people be a little more accepting of people's opinions rather than automatically assuming that they stem from ulterior motives? There are opinions in this thread I don't agree with, but I've attempted to be respectful. Nearly everybody here is an adult, but not everyone is acting like one.

[Tallman388]

okay.
There is clearly a lot of emotion surrounding these arguments. Can we, first of all, make these arguments without turning it personal? Second, there's a little bit of dismissiveness on both sides. One side's statements are dismissed because they are termed "homers" and the other is dismissed because they "aren't fans". Can people be a little more accepting of people's opinions rather than automatically assuming that their interviews stem from ulterior motives? There are opinions in this thread I don't agree with, but I've attempted to be respectful. Nearly everybody here is an adult, but not everyone is acting like one.

A-Men!!

FezFez certainly brings out the passion in some people.

[drjoek]

okay.






There is clearly a lot of emotion surrounding these arguments. Can we, first of all, make these arguments without turning it personal? Second, there's a little bit of dismissiveness on both sides. One side's statements are dismissed because they are termed "homers" and the other is dismissed because they "aren't fans". Can people be a little more accepting of people's opinions rather than automatically assuming that their interviews stem from ulterior motives? There are opinions in this thread I don't agree with, but I've attempted to be respectful. Nearly everybody here is an adult, but not everyone is acting like one.


There goes mikeyboy playing armchair psychiatrist again
:tongue:

[mikeyboy]

There goes mikeyboy playing armchair psychiatrist again
:tongue:

I'm so much better at that than armchair dentist.

[msaundersecw]

okay.






There is clearly a lot of emotion surrounding these arguments. Can we, first of all, make these arguments without turning it personal? Second, there's a little bit of dismissiveness on both sides. One side's statements are dismissed because they are termed "homers" and the other is dismissed because they "aren't fans". Can people be a little more accepting of people's opinions rather than automatically assuming that their interviews stem from ulterior motives? There are opinions in this thread I don't agree with, but I've attempted to be respectful. Nearly everybody here is an adult, but not everyone is acting like one.

Yeah, I'm not sure where the personal attacks come in I never got into that with any of the posters. Also, the "low post count", "low avatar" shit doesn't fly either. Take that shitty attitude back to your BBC boards of the 90's. I'm not some poster hiding I'm just a 4+ year fan who finally decided to join this site, it doesn't make my statements any more or less true. I'll try and brake my first post down since nobody seemed to comprehend it and only thought it was about personal attacks.

I'm also not sure where I ever said Ron should end the show or Fez should go away. My initial and entire point is that Ron is a HORRIBLE condescending douche at times. I don't care if it was or not PSMike that called.

But Mike made a great fucking point in saying and I quote "you are paid to provide an entertaining radio show, not get on and act like this is therapy for you. Why can't you be funny, like you were hired to be?"

Ron, counter-argues with his lame retort of: " Oh yeah Mike what about you are you being funny like you're asking Fez to be?"

No, Ronnie B. he (Mike) isn't, because he isn't paid a large sum of money by a satellite radio company to do so. It skirts the issue with Fez at hand, and tries to turn a listener with a good point into the bad guy. Ron may be funny, but this just once again reinforces my opinion that when he's not being funny, Ron is intolerable. He's continuing his coddling, enabling bullshit he does so well.

Turning paying listeners who are giving legitimate points of view into bad guys just because he doesn't want to hurt his friend's feelings is unprofessional and infuriating. It's one thing to help Fez out and shield him, but to blindly deny legitimate points is illogical, something that Ron so often prides himself on (in his usual condescending manner).

Then again I'm not surprised because Ron was the same man who kept Earl on for years out of some bizarre kind of loyalty to him, despite the fact that, much like Fez, it was ruining whatever kind of "RADIO SHOW" they were doing.

(I say "show" in quotations because whenever this bullshit happens, they're just people airing shit out over the air, instead of doing a produced show. Like it's a show about a show, and they never get to what the show actually is).

Pick that apart and tell me where it's not true, I'd love to hear it.

[The Ogre]

Didn't half of the Ron & Ron show leave because of their wife's unfortunate turn with HIV? You're an ass if you can't see that there is a difference between that and the show now? how would the show not be changing? its always changing - if it wasnt, then why would anyone want to listen? you may as well listen to your favorite airing of the Ron & Fez show over and over again until you die alone.

Which begs these questions stupid; Ron Diaz left because his wife was sick. Fez is mentally ill. A host leaves for health reasons. WHAT IS THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE? If you don't mind the show changing constantly, as it did once when a host left, WHY DO YOU FUCKING CARE IF FEZ EVENTUALLY FADES AWAY TO BE REPLACED BY DAVE?

you child, there is no entitlement. if anything, you are acting entitled, with your NEED to be heard, like it would matter. yes, post counts dont count, but their content does - so i guess YOU lose on both.

Whenever anyone types a post on a messageboard they are trying to be heard. You are profoundly stupid.

i dont see anything wrong with my English, since your irrelevant self needed to point it out.

Fair enough.

it has no baring on whether you work with just people or your friends, possibly environment, but even then.

???

he went almost two months without crying. yes, that really isn't an accomplishment, per say, but, in terms of coming to terms with things and trying to move on with life, its a huge step.

You love of the comma notwithstanding,,,,,,,, I try to make a point of not arguing with certain types of people. Those who don't know the difference between "your" and "you're", folks who say nukular, and dopes who have never tried to find out what the term "per se" means, but still insist on using it and spelling it as if it was created by a Kentucky redneck instead of coming from Latin. Congratulations dummy.

What his means is that you
just because you dont have this personal relationship with Ron & Fez, that you cream yourself to, you have to bash the show. that is what i get out of your boring post.

I don't want a personal relationship with Ron and Fez you dipshit. I am a listener. They are radio hosts. I want listeners as far the fuck away from the talent as possible. They only serve to slow the show down. Outside of a bar night why the fuck would anyone want to turn a show they love to listen to into an inside boring hunk of shit?

In summation I shoulda just told you to go fuck yourself dummy.

[The Ogre]

okay.






There is clearly a lot of emotion surrounding these arguments. Can we, first of all, make these arguments without turning it personal? Second, there's a little bit of dismissiveness on both sides. One side's statements are dismissed because they are termed "homers" and the other is dismissed because they "aren't fans". Can people be a little more accepting of people's opinions rather than automatically assuming that they stem from ulterior motives? There are opinions in this thread I don't agree with, but I've attempted to be respectful. Nearly everybody here is an adult, but not everyone is acting like one.


Ah shit. Sorry Mikeyboy. I was composing that ultra long post above while making lunch. I probably woulda left out a few "stupids", "dipshits" and "dummies" if I had read it first.

[mikeyboy]

Which begs these questions stupid; Ron Diaz left because his wife was sick. Fez is mentally ill. A host leaves for health reasons. WHAT IS THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE? If you don't mind the show changing constantly, as it did once when a host left, WHY DO YOU FUCKING CARE IF FEZ EVENTUALLY FADES AWAY TO BE REPLACED BY DAVE?



Whenever anyone types a post on a messageboard they are trying to be heard. You are profoundly stupid.



Fair enough.



???



You love of the comma notwithstanding,,,,,,,, I try to make a point of not arguing with certain types of people. Those who don't know the difference between "your" and "you're", folks who say nukular, and dopes who have never tried to find out what the term "per se" means, but still insist on using it and spelling it as if it was created by a Kentucky redneck instead of coming from Latin. Congratulations dummy.



I don't want a personal relationship with Ron and Fez you dipshit. I am a listener. They are radio hosts. I want listeners as far the fuck away from the talent as possible. They only serve to slow the show down. Outside of a bar night why the fuck would anyone want to turn a show they love to listen to into an inside boring hunk of shit?

In summation I shoulda just told you to go fuck yourself dummy.

Thanks for paying attention to my post. :wallbash:

edit: just saw your post above mine.

[drjoek]

I'm so much better at that than armchair dentist.



My lawyering skills are suspect at best

[EliSnow]

Which begs these questions stupid; Ron Diaz left because his wife was sick. Fez is mentally ill. A host leaves for health reasons. WHAT IS THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE? If you don't mind the show changing constantly, as it did once when a host left, WHY DO YOU FUCKING CARE IF FEZ EVENTUALLY FADES AWAY TO BE REPLACED BY DAVE?



Whenever anyone types a post on a messageboard they are trying to be heard. You are profoundly stupid.



Fair enough.



???



You love of the comma notwithstanding,,,,,,,, I try to make a point of not arguing with certain types of people. Those who don't know the difference between "your" and "you're", folks who say nukular, and dopes who have never tried to find out what the term "per se" means, but still insist on using it and spelling it as if it was created by a Kentucky redneck instead of coming from Latin. Congratulations dummy.



I don't want a personal relationship with Ron and Fez you dipshit. I am a listener. They are radio hosts. I want listeners as far the fuck away from the talent as possible. They only serve to slow the show down. Outside of a bar night why the fuck would anyone want to turn a show they love to listen to into an inside boring hunk of shit?

In summation I shoulda just told you to go fuck yourself dummy.

Mikey made the general comment for everyone, but let me remind you. Make your arguments without insults.

And those who would like to respond to Ogre, please keep that in mind as well. You've gotten two warnings.

EDIT: Just like mikey, I didn't see the second post.

[disneyspy]

everyone that is not me is a dummy,go fuck yourselves
QUESTION: if you could fuck your self,wouldya?

[underdog]

Then again I'm not surprised because Ron was the same man who kept Earl on for years out of some bizarre kind of loyalty to him, despite the fact that, much like Fez, it was ruining whatever kind of "RADIO SHOW" they were doing.

YOU DON'T KNOW THIS.

(I say "show" in quotations because whenever this bullshit happens, they're just people airing shit out over the air, instead of doing a produced show. Like it's a show about a show, and they never get to what the show actually is).

Pick that apart and tell me where it's not true, I'd love to hear it.

I thought you put show in quotations because you were listening to a SHOW, as in not real life. Not every thing you hear on the air is the truth.

You have no idea why Earl was there. Just because he was the ass on air doesn't mean anything off air. You're not running the show, you weren't there behind the scenes. For all you know, Earl was the best behind the scenes producer Ron and Fez ever had.

Remember that time Dave was fired and the Midnight Rider took over producing? They were the same person. Dave was never fired. Crazy, I know.

[drjoek]

everyone that is not me is a dummy,go fuck yourselves
QUESTION: if you could fuck your self,wouldya?

Better question
Would you suck your own dick?

Randal:"No, because you won’t admit to it. As if a guy’s a fucking pervert because he tries to go down on himself. You’re as curious as the rest of us, pal. You’ve tried it."

[msaundersecw]

YOU DON'T KNOW THIS.



I thought you put show in quotations because you were listening to a SHOW, as in not real life. Not every thing you hear on the air is the truth.

You have no idea why Earl was there. Just because he was the ass on air doesn't mean anything off air. You're not running the show, you weren't there behind the scenes. For all you know, Earl was the best behind the scenes producer Ron and Fez ever had.

Remember that time Dave was fired and the Midnight Rider took over producing? They were the same person. Dave was never fired. Crazy, I know.

Oh, then it's just a huge bit. Boy are we rubes, I guess Earl is still behind the scenes right being "the best producer in Ron and Fez history" I guess he just left the show because he found a better gig in accounting or consulting for some law firm, or did he finally quit because he fucking sucked because Ron didn't have the balls to get rid of him for the betterment on the show. I guess that's a stupid question to ask you because "YOU WEREN'T THERE OR BEHIND THE SCENES"

[Death Metal Moe]

Too bad you don't have 5,000 posts, no one will listen to you. Oh, and you have no avatar or sig pic.

My point was that it looked like low post count trolls who just came in to start shit instead of actual long term fans, but take it as an insult if you like. I don't care either way.

[Death Metal Moe]

dont presume to speak for the rest of us,ok?thx

Well then line yourself up with these 2 assholes all you like.

[MacVittie]

Oh, then it's just a huge bit. Boy are we rubes, I guess Earl is still behind the scenes right being "the best producer in Ron and Fez history" I guess he just left the show because he found a better gig in accounting or consulting for some law firm, or did he finally quit because he fucking sucked because Ron didn't have the balls to get rid of him for the betterment on the show. I guess that's a stupid question to ask you because "YOU WEREN'T THERE OR BEHIND THE SCENES"

I don't think that the entire show comes down to "everything is a work; believe nothing that you hear" or "it's all real, there is never an attempt to deceive or mislead the audience." It's very possible that Earl left for a better gig, or that he quit because he sucked like he has appeared to for his time on the show. I try not to lose a lot of sleep figuring that out and just enjoy as much of the show as I can.

[nate1000]

Shouldn't that tell Fez something.

He should step away from the show and do something else.

Do we really think he likes doing the show these days? The guy talks about how happy he is doing live reads and says his job isn't to entertain the fans. That's more than enough evidence to me that maybe his time has just passed as being a co-host of a comedic radio show.

He has done enough in radio that he can do something else in this field. Maybe he can be a behind the scenes guy for Sirius/XM and allow Ron to move on with someone else.

Where does it say that The Ron and Fez Show has to last forever?

And save it if you are going to tell me to go fuck myself.

I am not hating on Fez at all. I just don't think he's happy doing the show and he seems to be flustered by the pressure put on him day after day to do the show.

Ron doesn't realize it, but when he is constantly taking everything Fez says and pointing out that it's either 'wrong' or 'based on fiction' he is pushing him farther and farther away from ever getting back to being the 'old Fez'.

That 'old Fez' people are longing for doesn't exist anymore. Most people aren't who they were 10 years ago. Isn't that normal? That's the most normal thing about Fez is that he isn't the same person he was back in the day and for some reason he thinks it's a bad thing when he should in fact just be living and evolving as a person.

I am beyond the days of being annoyed with Fez for crying or being bitchy or acting like he's trying to change when he's really not. He is who he is now.

Am I 'not getting the bit guy'?

Whatever. If you think that then you are probably just someone who hates change, will die defending the show and loves the few times you can actually remember when Fez made you laugh with him and not at him.

Most of us wouldn't want someone we cared about doing something they are not happy doing any longer. At one time the Ron and Fez Show was the best thing in world for Fez.

That statement isn't true any longer.

JMHO.

How very baggy.

WTF is happening to this place?:down:

[msaundersecw]

My point was that it looked like low post count trolls who just came in to start shit instead of actual long term fans, but take it as an insult if you like. I don't care either way.

Really? Is criticism now considered trolling? Unpopular opinion is outlawed and we're only allowed to praise the show even in it's weak points? Get the fuck out of here Moe, that mindset is so jaded and stupid to even attempt to justify.

Do I like Ron and Fez? ABSOLUTELY.

Did I ever say the show should end? HECK NO

Am I a fan? YES

Can I point out the fact that Ron is a coddler, enabler and huge condescending douche while still being a fan? I sure as hell can.

There is so many great things about the show I can sit here and name them but my initial and only posts were referring how poorly and douchey Ron handled caller "Mike" and his 100% legitimate points of view.

[Death Metal Moe]

Really? Is criticism now considered trolling? Unpopular opinion is outlawed and we're only allowed to praise the show even in it's weak points? Get the fuck out of here Moe, that mindset is so jaded and stupid to even justify.

Do I like Ron and Fez? ABSOLUTELY.

Did I ever say the show should end? HECK NO

Am I a fan? YES

Can I point out the fact that Ron is a coddler, enabler and huge condescending douche while still being a fan? I sure as hell can.

There is so many great things about the show I can sit here and name them but my initial and only posts were referring how poorly and douchey Ron handled caller "Mike" and his 100% legitimate points of view.

If the only thing that moved you to comment are the negatives of the show, you're not a fan in my book. I'd love to see the calibur of your other 7 posts you were moved to.

And thanks for saying I wasn't worth justifying, then justifying.

[Death Metal Moe]

How very baggy.

WTF is happening to this place?:down:

Nothing, this is isolated, we're just having fun feeding the trolls.

http://data4.sevenload.com/slcom/nh/ym/hhjnmfd/hlnisnjnjege.jpg~/Dont-feed-the-Troll.jpg

[msaundersecw]

If the only thing that moved you to comment are the negatives of the show, you're not a fan in my book. I'd love to see the calibur of your other 7 posts you were moved to.

And thanks for saying I wasn't worth justifying, then justifying.

Not true, how did you get to 30k posts? Everytime I like something should I come here and post a typical 'OMG GOOD POINT :CLAPPYHANDS:

I could get to 30k by the end of the summer with those types of "quality postings"

[EliSnow]

Really? Is criticism now considered trolling? Unpopular opinion is outlawed and we're only allowed to praise the show even in it's weak points? Get the fuck out of here Moe, that mindset is so jaded and stupid to even attempt to justify.

Do I like Ron and Fez? ABSOLUTELY.

Did I ever say the show should end? HECK NO

Am I a fan? YES

Can I point out the fact that Ron is a coddler, enabler and huge condescending douche while still being a fan? I sure as hell can.

There is so many great things about the show I can sit here and name them but my initial and only posts were referring how poorly and douchey Ron handled caller "Mike" and his 100% legitimate points of view.

But moe is right. Generally a lot of anti_____ threads are started by people who are just being trolls. I'm not saying that's the case here, but he is right.

[Death Metal Moe]

Not true, how did you get to 30k posts? Everytime I like something should I come here and post a typical 'OMG GOOD POINT :CLAPPYHANDS:

I could get to 30k by the end of the summer with those types of "quality postings"

You only signed up to complain about Fez. Do ya get it yet? If not, it's been awesome to talk to you either way.

[msaundersecw]

But moe is right. Generally a lot of anti_____ threads are started by people who are just being trolls. I'm not saying that's the case here, but he is right.

I didn't start it, I simply added an a true, but unpopular post. That hardly equates to "not being a fan" or "message board troll"

[msaundersecw]

You only signed up to complain about Fez. Do ya get it yet? If not, it's been awesome to talk to you either way.

If you think that then you didn't read my post. My beef was how cowardly Ron handles the accurate assessments of listeners and blows them off. You're like an infant, you just don't get it.

[EliSnow]

Not true, how did you get to 30k posts? Everytime I like something should I come here and post a typical 'OMG GOOD POINT :CLAPPYHANDS:

I could get to 30k by the end of the summer with those types of "quality postings"

No. You discuss the show, current events, music, movies, etc. You dont' have to just post positive about the show, but just don't post anti-show either.

[EliSnow]

I didn't start it, I simply added an a true, but unpopular post. That hardly equates to "not being a fan" or "message board troll"

You can be a troll without starting the thread.

[mikeyboy]

I didn't start it, I simply added an a true, but unpopular post. That hardly equates to "not being a fan" or "message board troll"

You use the term "truth" very loosely. It's your opinion.

...and look, the thing that gets under some people's skin is that it appears that you signed up merely to complain about the show. Maybe you did, and maybe you didn't. It's just something we've seen before many times. We used to get tons of new listeners joining the board just to complain about Dave, to the extent that it got to be a bit of a headache. Maybe troll isn't the appropriate term. I don't doubt that you are a fan of the show, but the perception, when you sign up to merely complain is that your focus is on what you consider to be the negatives rather than the positive. It's human nature, I guess. People sometimes are just more vocal when they are unhappy than when they are happy. Squeaky wheel and all that crap.

[Death Metal Moe]

If you think that then you didn't read my post. My beef was how cowardly Ron handles the accurate assessments of listeners and blows them off. You're like an infant, you just don't get it.

.....yea. You're talking to a real "Don't Get It" kinda guy.

Good day.

[Death Metal Moe]

You use the term "truth" very loosely. It's your opinion.

...and look, the thing that gets under some people's skin is that it appears that you signed up merely to complain about the show. Maybe you did, and maybe you didn't. It's just something we've seen before many times. We used to get tons of new listeners joining the board just to complain about Dave, to the extent that it got to be a bit of a headache. Maybe troll isn't the appropriate term. I don't doubt that you are a fan of the show, but the perception, when you sign up to merely complain is that your focus is on what you consider to be the negatives rather than the positive. It's human nature, I guess. People sometimes are just more vocal when they are unhappy than when they are happy. Squeaky wheel and all that crap.

YOU'RE OUT OF ORDER!!!11!!!@!11!

...I got nothin'

[mikeyboy]

Ugh. Again. Please argue your points without making it personal.

[Death Metal Moe]

What?! I didn't do nothin!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gvac]

I wish Compliment-Guy was logged in.

[Whiskeyportal]

Not true, how did you get to 30k posts? Everytime I like something should I come here and post a typical 'OMG GOOD POINT :CLAPPYHANDS:

I could get to 30k by the end of the summer with those types of "quality postings"

:thumbup:

[Dell]

I could get to 30k by the end of the summer with those types of "quality postings"

Wouldn't that be around 200 posts a day? I'm not double-dog daring you to go for it... just saying it would be one heck of an achievement... could it be done? :unsure:

[EliSnow]

Wouldn't that be around 200 posts a day? I'm not double-dog daring you to go for it... just saying it would be one heck of an achievement... could it be done? :unsure:

I think Stugots had that pace for awhile.

[WampusCrandle]

There goes mikeyboy playing armchair psychiatrist again
:tongue:

I'm so much better at that than armchair dentist.

just hold me, baby, hold me tight. tell me everything will be alright.

[fezfez]

Thanks for everyone's concern here. I think that's in every one of these opinions. And trust me, no one is a bigger critic of my performance than I am. But I want to say that I love my job and I love my show. That's why I do what do to try to get myself better and stronger. That's why I go to to get help twice, sometimes 3 times a week. That why I tried all kinds of anti-depressants that clobbered me physically. That's why I committed myself to a mental institution. Because I want to feel better. I want to feel better about myself and about the job that I do. I don't need to feel perfect, just like myself again. It took a long time for me to be messed up. There was a time when I could deflect it or hide it away a lot easier. Unfortunately that doesn't work so much anymore. I'm sure you've all noticed. To get back on track, isn't going to happen over night. I wish it would. And the progress may be slow, or seem like it's not there at all, but I've done things in the past 6 months that I never thought I would be able to do. Some things I'm amazed at. And if there's days of tears along the way, then that's just going to happen. I'm not going to quit trying. Because like I said "I love my show". I don't plan on going anywhere. Thank you HTG, Mikey Boy, Death Metal Moe, Wampus Crandle and everyone else whose had my back. I appreciate it.

[Death Metal Moe]

Fezfez fan since day 1.

[Gvac]

Thanks for everyone's concern here. I think that's in every one of these opinions. And trust me, no one is a bigger critic of my performance than I am. But I want to say that I love my job and I love my show. That's why I do what do to try to get myself better and stronger. That's why I go to to get help twice, sometimes 3 times a week. That why I tried all kinds of anti-depressants that clobbered me physically. That's why I committed myself to a mental institution. Because I want to feel better. I want to feel better about myself and about the job that I do. I don't need to feel perfect, just like myself again. It took a long time for me to be messed up. There was a time when I could deflect it or hide it away a lot easier. Unfortunately that doesn't work so much anymore. I'm sure you've all noticed. To get back on track, isn't going to happen over night. I wish it would. And the progress may be slow, or seem like it's not there at all, but I've done things in the past 6 months that I never thought I would be able to do. Some things I'm amazed at. And if there's days of tears along the way, then that's just going to happen. I'm not going to quit trying. Because like I said "I love my show". I don't plan on going anywhere. Thank you HTG, Mikey Boy, Death Metal Moe, Wampus Crandle and everyone else whose had my back. I appreciate it.

Thanks for setting the record straight, buddy.

I'd tell you how much we love you but you know it already.

[~Katja~]

Thanks for everyone's concern here. I think that's in every one of these opinions. And trust me, no one is a bigger critic of my performance than I am. But I want to say that I love my job and I love my show. That's why I do what do to try to get myself better and stronger. That's why I go to to get help twice, sometimes 3 times a week. That why I tried all kinds of anti-depressants that clobbered me physically. That's why I committed myself to a mental institution. Because I want to feel better. I want to feel better about myself and about the job that I do. I don't need to feel perfect, just like myself again. It took a long time for me to be messed up. There was a time when I could deflect it or hide it away a lot easier. Unfortunately that doesn't work so much anymore. I'm sure you've all noticed. To get back on track, isn't going to happen over night. I wish it would. And the progress may be slow, or seem like it's not there at all, but I've done things in the past 6 months that I never thought I would be able to do. Some things I'm amazed at. And if there's days of tears along the way, then that's just going to happen. I'm not going to quit trying. Because like I said "I love my show". I don't plan on going anywhere. Thank you HTG, Mikey Boy, Death Metal Moe, Wampus Crandle and everyone else whose had my back. I appreciate it.


the best thing is that you are working on getting better and continue to do so every day little by little.
Don't worry about the occasional tears, we all have emotions and sometimes you have the greatest lines that come out during or right after these moments...
You are the best and I think the majority of listeners would be upset if you were not part of the show!

[Drunky McBetidont]

sswa

[#1FanofESD]

Jesus Christ dude. I could throw a can of alphabet soup onto a sheet of notebook paper and it would make more sense than what you just wrote.

Also dunce, FEZ WAS ONCE A SIDE CHARACTER JUST LIKE DAVE(all caps to help you process this). It was the RON & RON show. You are in the middle of two arguments and lose both. First you say "Entertainment is a changing definition" whatever the fuck that meant. Then you drop a gem like " Ron and Fez have been transforming on the show since it started". Overlooking the fact that your shaky grasp on English makes it seem like they are turning into cockroaches, YOU ARE MAKING MY POINT FOR ME. Fez is transforming himself right the fuck off of the air through his silence. The true lack of ability to grow is in not realizing that the old queen is slowly riding off into the sunset, while ESD comes in to fill the void.

Regarding the bar crawls, I went to a couple of them in '01. I had some fun with a bunch of other fans, had a few of the show characters come talk to me, got drunk, and enjoyed hanging out. But at the same time, there was a real sense of cunty entitlement from a lot of these ancillary douchebags. The same sense of entitlement that pops up on the board when just because somebody joined in '01 or has 10000 posts, they think they are more of a fan than someone who recently joined. Not to mention there was also a bunch of seriously fucking average to below average chicks who got gassed up into thinking they were 10's because Ron let them speak into a mic every now and then. The point of this is that there is no need for anyone to be an "insider" as you call them. At their worst they are show killers grinding to show to a halt either with their in studio presence or by Ron playing to a dozen people on a message board. At their best they are sycophants who fall into a weird behavioral pattern that I see a lot of. A frantic race to see who can be first to be a bottom for Ron.

I eagerly await your poorly spelled and grammatically incorrect reply.

Ron has no taste in women.

He constantly talks about how hot a chick is when they are in studio.

Then I find a picture of them online somewhere and they are a 6, lol.

[#1FanofESD]

Listen, I am not going to address your points about Fez, not only because I disagree but simply because I sarcastically stated before that you have absolutely no insight into how Fez is feeling or what he needs simply based on listening to a show you apparently don't even understand.
If you did not get that Ron was playing a bit when he called the listener PSM, why do you think you actually understand what is going on with Fez, what is a bit and what is reality?!

You are dumb.

Ron thought it was PSM and so did Fex and Dave.

Maybe they realized five minutes later it wasn't, but when they were on the phone with the guy they did.

If they say different they are lying.

And I know this because they would not put PSM in that awkward spot like they did even if it was for only a few hours.

Like I said, you're dumb.

[WampusCrandle]

Ron has no taste in women.

He constantly talks about how hot a chick is when they are in studio.

Then I find a picture of them online somewhere and they are a 6, lol.

what a scientific scale that you use to judge women based on looks

You are dumb.

Ron thought it was PSM and so did Fex and Dave.

Maybe they realized five minutes later it wasn't, but when they were on the phone with the guy they did.

If they say different they are lying.

And I know this because they would not put PSM in that awkward spot like they did even if it was for only a few hours.

Like I said, you're dumb.

how the hell would you know? you're not part of the show, and they have put people in that odd limbo. again, how would you know? many people on this site know PSM and his voice, and it was obvious to them that it wasn't who it was - so why would it not be obvious to Ron, Fez, and Dave? if anything, you are acting like a child.

[Death Metal Moe]

Oh, look who got brave again.

http://pics.bikerag.com/Uploads/data/500/258Troll_spray.jpg

[WampusCrandle]

Oh, look who got brave again.

http://pics.bikerag.com/Uploads/data/500/258Troll_spray.jpg

we might need an industrial size can

[Death Metal Moe]

I am not a fan.

Finally, something we agree on.

[#1FanofESD]

Thanks for everyone's concern here. I think that's in every one of these opinions. And trust me, no one is a bigger critic of my performance than I am. But I want to say that I love my job and I love my show. That's why I do what do to try to get myself better and stronger. That's why I go to to get help twice, sometimes 3 times a week. That why I tried all kinds of anti-depressants that clobbered me physically. That's why I committed myself to a mental institution. Because I want to feel better. I want to feel better about myself and about the job that I do. I don't need to feel perfect, just like myself again. It took a long time for me to be messed up. There was a time when I could deflect it or hide it away a lot easier. Unfortunately that doesn't work so much anymore. I'm sure you've all noticed. To get back on track, isn't going to happen over night. I wish it would. And the progress may be slow, or seem like it's not there at all, but I've done things in the past 6 months that I never thought I would be able to do. Some things I'm amazed at. And if there's days of tears along the way, then that's just going to happen. I'm not going to quit trying. Because like I said "I love my show". I don't plan on going anywhere. Thank you HTG, Mikey Boy, Death Metal Moe, Wampus Crandle and everyone else whose had my back. I appreciate it.

They had your back or the show's back?

I was worried about you as a person, not as a radio show host.

And I don't agree that you need to get back to being 'who you were'.

IMO, you need to start living as who you are now.

I know change is tough and your best friend does also. What if Ron had told himself that he could never change who he was and what he was doing back in the day?

He might be dead from an overdose or something similar.

No one stays the same throughout their life.

These 'fans' that you are thanking seem to be ok with you as a crying mess who needs to seek therapy three times a week just so you can sit in a radio studio and amuse them for three hours a day. Last I checked that left 21 hours for you to deal with you while they are out doing whatever in their own lives during that time.

I am going to get bashed to shit for saying this. But maybe you have forgotten that your personal well being is more important than the well being of the Ron and Fez Show.

And it's just my opinion. Take or leave it.

[Slumbag]

They had your back or the show's back?

I was worried about you as a person, not as a radio show host.

And I don't agree that you need to get back to being 'who you were'.

IMO, you need to start living as who you are now.

I know change is tough and your best friend does also. What if Ron had told himself that he could never change who he was and what he was doing back in the day?

He might be dead from an overdose or something similar.

No one stays the same throughout their life.

These 'fans' that you are thanking seem to be ok with you as a crying mess who needs to seek therapy three times a week just so you can sit in a radio studio and amuse them for three hours a day. Last I checked that left 21 hours for you to deal with you while they are out doing whatever in their own lives during that time.

I am going to get bashed to shit for saying this. But maybe you have forgotten that your personal well being is more important than the well being of the Ron and Fez Show.

And it's just my opinion. Take or leave it.
If it bothers you, why listen?
That's what the show is. You can bitch about it changing over and over, but it is what it is.

Apparently, it's not for you. So don't listen.
End.

[WampusCrandle]

Thanks for everyone's concern here. I think that's in every one of these opinions. And trust me, no one is a bigger critic of my performance than I am. But I want to say that I love my job and I love my show. That's why I do what do to try to get myself better and stronger. That's why I go to to get help twice, sometimes 3 times a week. That why I tried all kinds of anti-depressants that clobbered me physically. That's why I committed myself to a mental institution. Because I want to feel better. I want to feel better about myself and about the job that I do. I don't need to feel perfect, just like myself again. It took a long time for me to be messed up. There was a time when I could deflect it or hide it away a lot easier. Unfortunately that doesn't work so much anymore. I'm sure you've all noticed. To get back on track, isn't going to happen over night. I wish it would. And the progress may be slow, or seem like it's not there at all, but I've done things in the past 6 months that I never thought I would be able to do. Some things I'm amazed at. And if there's days of tears along the way, then that's just going to happen. I'm not going to quit trying. Because like I said "I love my show". I don't plan on going anywhere. Thank you HTG, Mikey Boy, Death Metal Moe, Wampus Crandle and everyone else whose had my back. I appreciate it.

i want to commend you as being one of the few people in your field to interact with your fans on such a personal level - not too many other celebrity-types would take the time.

next, you have come such a long way in your sessions that IT IS noticeable - that is a fact, and i believe that if you listen to any recent show and one from a year from that date, you can hear the change. you're doing great!

forget the trolls, they are garbage! (trying to cut down on the fucks, Mikey Boy :happy:)

[FUCKTWATtheCLOWN]

They had your back or the show's back?

I was worried about you as a person, not as a radio show host.

And I don't agree that you need to get back to being 'who you were'.

IMO, you need to start living as who you are now.

I know change is tough and your best friend does also. What if Ron had told himself that he could never change who he was and what he was doing back in the day?

He might be dead from an overdose or something similar.

No one stays the same throughout their life.

These 'fans' that you are thanking seem to be ok with you as a crying mess who needs to seek therapy three times a week just so you can sit in a radio studio and amuse them for three hours a day. Last I checked that left 21 hours for you to deal with you while they are out doing whatever in their own lives during that time.

I am going to get bashed to shit for saying this. But maybe you have forgotten that your personal well being is more important than the well being of the Ron and Fez Show.

And it's just my opinion. Take or leave it.

You're wrong. You're just wrong. Give this up and stop feigning concern because you're tired of hearing crying on a radio show.

[Mafialife Chris]

I think it's obvious that the parts of the show I would like to see end are the ones where Fez sits there crying and feeling like shit for being himself.

The one where he is asked for his opinion and then when he gives it he is made to look stupid for feeling that way.

I think I could do without that part of the show and so could Fez.

And I also implied that Ron could move onto something else which I would gladly listen to. I think Ron is one of the funniest people I have ever heard, but I also don't think he's fully aware that he's part of Fez's problem.

Or maybe he is and he's being the good soldier for SiriusXM by using whatever resources surround him for supposed 'good radio'. And that's based on the notion that he thinks 'good radio' is to turn his partner into a crying mess a few times a month and using it as show content.

You piss me off sir!

Nobody has more love for that man then Ron, yet you claim he would hurt and use his loved one.

I have no issue with your points, except that fez made it clear how he feels, and your basically telling Fez that he doesnt know what is best for him, and telling the readers of this board that Ron's a mother fucker who uses his friends!

Fuck you bro!

snip......

Another thing you obviously don't understand because you're either a new fan or just a fag board troll is Ron and Fez's personal friendship and how they treat friends of the show. They give back so much to just common fans, can you imagine how strong their personal friendship is? Ron isn't about to just give up on Fez anytime soon.

The End.

QFT!

okay.

There is clearly a lot of emotion surrounding these arguments. Can we, first of all, make these arguments without turning it personal? Second, there's a little bit of dismissiveness on both sides. One side's statements are dismissed because they are termed "homers" and the other is dismissed because they "aren't fans". Can people be a little more accepting of people's opinions rather than automatically assuming that they stem from ulterior motives? There are opinions in this thread I don't agree with, but I've attempted to be respectful. Nearly everybody here is an adult, but not everyone is acting like one.

You did say the word 'Swell', earlier. Made me chuckle.

snip....

Can I point out the fact that Ron is a coddler, enabler and huge condescending douche while still being a fan? I sure as hell can.

....snip.

Another one who claims Ron would do something to hurt his friend on purpose. Fuck you too bro!

Thanks for everyone's concern here. I think that's in every one of these opinions. And trust me, no one is a bigger critic of my performance than I am. But I want to say that I love my job and I love my show. That's why I do what do to try to get myself better and stronger. That's why I go to to get help twice, sometimes 3 times a week. That why I tried all kinds of anti-depressants that clobbered me physically. That's why I committed myself to a mental institution. Because I want to feel better. I want to feel better about myself and about the job that I do. I don't need to feel perfect, just like myself again. It took a long time for me to be messed up. There was a time when I could deflect it or hide it away a lot easier. Unfortunately that doesn't work so much anymore. I'm sure you've all noticed. To get back on track, isn't going to happen over night. I wish it would. And the progress may be slow, or seem like it's not there at all, but I've done things in the past 6 months that I never thought I would be able to do. Some things I'm amazed at. And if there's days of tears along the way, then that's just going to happen. I'm not going to quit trying. Because like I said "I love my show". I don't plan on going anywhere. Thank you HTG, Mikey Boy, Death Metal Moe, Wampus Crandle and everyone else whose had my back. I appreciate it.

Loved ones and true friends and all relationships around you can be very theraputic as well. Your progress is mint. Love you Fez.

If it bothers you, why listen?
That's what the show is. You can bitch about it changing over and over, but it is what it is.

Apparently, it's not for you. So don't listen.
End.

I want him to keep listening to what he enjoys, and share his opinions on the boards for us to discuss. But, I hope someday he owns up for being wrong.

Ron does more "Tuff Love" then he does enabling. Pay attention! In fact, Ron is 1 man who can detect 'enabling' a hundred miles away. Saying he would hurt Fez intentionally really blows donkey dick to read.

[Foster]

You piss me off sir!

Nobody has more love for that man then Ron, yet you claim he would hurt and use his loved one.

I have no issue with your points, except that fez made it clear how he feels, and your basically telling Fez that he doesnt know what is best for him, and telling the readers of this board that Ron's a mother fucker who uses his friends!

Fuck you bro!


someone isn't getting any free cigars anytime soon

[Mafialife Chris]

someone isn't getting any free cigars anytime soon

Stop trying to add wood to the fire.

[thepaulo]

On his worst day Fez is indispensable. Fez ain't going nowhere. Fuckfuckfuckfuckfuck.
I wish someone would lock me in a room with a bunch of trolls.

[underdog]

You are dumb.

Ron thought it was PSM and so did Fex and Dave.

Maybe they realized five minutes later it wasn't, but when they were on the phone with the guy they did.

If they say different they are lying.

And I know this because they would not put PSM in that awkward spot like they did even if it was for only a few hours.

Like I said, you're dumb.

It was clearly a bit. They knew it wasn't PSM. If you believed it, you are the dumb one. Go listen to the clip again.

[TjM]

Go fuck yourself

[TjM]

You don't think there is any pressure standing for a picture, smiling next to the portly gentleman who will kill you one day?


:lol:

[Dell]

Ron has no taste in women.

He constantly talks about how hot a chick is when they are in studio.

Then I find a picture of them online somewhere and they are a 6, lol.

Definitely trolling... you need to stop dude!

[EliSnow]

It looks like another reminder is in order. Make your points without insulting others. I've personally reminded #1Fanof ESD, so no one should feel like they need to return his insults in kind.

[TjM]

None of this would have happened if Earl was still alive :down:

[AKA]

On his worst day Fez is indispensable.

Amen, Paulo.

[drjoek]

Thanks for everyone's concern here. I think that's in every one of these opinions. And trust me, no one is a bigger critic of my performance than I am. But I want to say that I love my job and I love my show. That's why I do what do to try to get myself better and stronger. That's why I go to to get help twice, sometimes 3 times a week. That why I tried all kinds of anti-depressants that clobbered me physically. That's why I committed myself to a mental institution. Because I want to feel better. I want to feel better about myself and about the job that I do. I don't need to feel perfect, just like myself again. It took a long time for me to be messed up. There was a time when I could deflect it or hide it away a lot easier. Unfortunately that doesn't work so much anymore. I'm sure you've all noticed. To get back on track, isn't going to happen over night. I wish it would. And the progress may be slow, or seem like it's not there at all, but I've done things in the past 6 months that I never thought I would be able to do. Some things I'm amazed at. And if there's days of tears along the way, then that's just going to happen. I'm not going to quit trying. Because like I said "I love my show". I don't plan on going anywhere. Thank you HTG, Mikey Boy, Death Metal Moe, Wampus Crandle and everyone else whose had my back. I appreciate it.



No, thank you Fez
Keep up the good work. And I for one am proud of your work you are doing and your willingness to share.

How about a fezzatorial? :lol:

[fezfez]

[QUOTE=#1FanofESD;2182661]They had your back or the show's back?

I was worried about you as a person, not as a radio show host.

And I don't agree that you need to get back to being 'who you were'.

IMO, you need to start living as who you are now."
I know a lot of these people. They had my back. And they're concerned for me as a person. The stuff I discuss on the air is happening to me "as a person", not just a radio host. If I had a different job, these people would still be supporting me and wanting to help me. They're that kind of people.

And by saying I want to feel like myself again, that means a happy fun person. That applies to everything in my life, not just my job.

[Hottub]

I know a lot of these people. They had my back. And they're concerned for me as a person. The stuff I discuss on the air is happening to me "as a person", not just a radio host. If I had a different job, these people would still be supporting me and wanting to help me. They're that kind of people.

And by saying I want to feel like myself again, that means a happy fun person. That applies to everything in my life, not just my job.

And the ones who love you will always be there to support you as best we can. Not just fez the radio guy, but Fez Marie Whatley, the man.

[~Katja~]

You are dumb.

Ron thought it was PSM and so did Fex and Dave.

Maybe they realized five minutes later it wasn't, but when they were on the phone with the guy they did.

If they say different they are lying.

And I know this because they would not put PSM in that awkward spot like they did even if it was for only a few hours.

Like I said, you're dumb.

thanks, but I think you really don't understand Ron and his sense of humor and ability to set up bits.
Listen to the call again and you will realize that is starts out as some random caller Mike and as it goes on Ron adds the twist that it supposedly was PSM.
He does that, add controversy to stir the pot... and he does it for hayseeds like you who don't get the bit and go out of their way analyzing situations they clearly don't understand.

Again, you have been personally attacking people here that disagree with your opinion... you don't even accept Fez's own opinion on how he feels about the show... I truly don't appreciate your attacks and I hope since you have been told several times now to stop you will get some infractions for it...

[EliSnow]

thanks, but I think you really don't understand Ron and his sense of humor and ability to set up bits.
Listen to the call again and you will realize that is starts out as some random caller Mike and as it goes on Ron adds the twist that it supposedly was PSM.
He does that, add controversy to stir the pot... and he does it for hayseeds like you who don't get the bit and go out of their way analyzing situations they clearly don't understand.

Again, you have been personally attacking people here that disagree with your opinion... you don't even accept Fez's own opinion on how he feels about the show... I truly don't appreciate your attacks and I hope since you have been told several times now to stop you will get some infractions for it...

He has.

[Contra]

Fez being on the show and in a public forum, I believe, is the best thing (coupled with therapy of course) that he can do to help his situation. This problem has festered due to the fact that he was able to hide his emotions within the antics of the show. However, now it seems that Fez can't hide his feelings anymore, and I think that came about from the spotlight that the show has cast on him once everyone realized something was seriously wrong. That helped break down a lot of walls for fez, and ultimately has helped his progress. Keep it up Fez, you're doing fine! I find his emotional journey on air to be interesting and unique.

[EliSnow]

[
I know a lot of these people. They had my back. And they're concerned for me as a person. The stuff I discuss on the air is happening to me "as a person", not just a radio host. If I had a different job, these people would still be supporting me and wanting to help me. They're that kind of people.

And by saying I want to feel like myself again, that means a happy fun person. That applies to everything in my life, not just my job.

Fez, I think you've been doing very well on the air as of late. I know the listening thread is behind you, and each day we can't wait to hear you and Ron.

Keep it up, budday!

[disneyspy]

On his worst day Fez is indispensable. Fez ain't going nowhere. Fuckfuckfuckfuckfuck.
I wish someone would lock me in a room with a bunch of trolls.

better bring lots of vaseline

[happytypinggirl]

First off all....im still laughing from armchair dentist.

Second of all...love you fez.


They had your back or the show's back?

I was worried about you as a person, not as a radio show host.

And I don't agree that you need to get back to being 'who you were'.

IMO, you need to start living as who you are now.

I know change is tough and your best friend does also. What if Ron had told himself that he could never change who he was and what he was doing back in the day?

He might be dead from an overdose or something similar.

No one stays the same throughout their life.

These 'fans' that you are thanking seem to be ok with you as a crying mess who needs to seek therapy three times a week just so you can sit in a radio studio and amuse them for three hours a day. Last I checked that left 21 hours for you to deal with you while they are out doing whatever in their own lives during that time.

I am going to get bashed to shit for saying this. But maybe you have forgotten that your personal well being is more important than the well being of the Ron and Fez Show.

And it's just my opinion. Take or leave it.

Third of all.... who are you to judge mine or anyone else's motives? You dont have enough information to do that. I suggest you let fez be the judge of who are his friends and who arent. And its cute that you're so sure everyone goes back to their own lives and forgets all about each other from 3pm until noon the next day. You know everything.

Your attitude that you think you are the only one that knows whats best for a person you have never met (or have you?) is condescending to fez, his friends, and even his therapist and waaaaaaaaaaaay oversimplies human behavior. I have no idea what's ultimately the best thing for fez or any other person in a difficult time is, but I'm not going to pretend i have THE ANSWER.

Why dont you take mikeyboys advice and switch from armchair psychiatrist to armchair dentist. Maybe you'll be better at that.

[Dell]

better bring lots of vaseline

Spit out my coffee reading that one... got to towel my desk now! :lol:

[drjoek]

First off all....im still laughing from armchair dentist.


Why dont you take mikeyboys advice and switch from armchair psychiatrist to armchair dentist. Maybe you'll be better at that.



Hey hey hey easy there, armchair dentistry is A LOT harder than it sounds trust me.

[~Katja~]

Hey hey hey easy there, armchair dentistry is A LOT harder than it sounds trust me.

how does it compare to armchair gynecology?

[KatPw]

how does it compare to armchair gynecology?

I don't think the chair tips back that far :laugh:

[A.J.]

how does it compare to armchair gynecology?

Probably better than armchair proctology.

[drjoek]

how does it compare to armchair gynecology?



I'm willing to find out!

[West.Coast.Skippy]

here's my idea for fez. the basic premise is that maybe fez needs a change in environment to precipitate or enable a change in thinking, or maybe that he needs a new challenge to really feel fulfilled.

right now on xm 98, outq, they do reruns all weekend, according to this schedule (http://xmradio.com/pdf/channel_guide.pdf). i propose a new show: the todd hillier experience. the concept of the show is... fez (todd, in this case). we explore the past, present, and future for todd. we talk openly about his lifestyle, weekends, and aspirations. not all of this has to do with being gay, maybe some shows that is barely mentioned. he leads the show and holds discussions with some surrounding group of friends on topics running the gamut of politics, movies, celebrity gossip, and society. i think it would be really cool to here about fez on a date. occasionally there are bits, or characters- perhaps the reincarnation of the fezitorial. maybe the opening theme is talking heads / once in a lifetime.

currently on r & f, there is kind of a cringing tension and constant mocking-style humor surrounding fez being gay. now this is probably smart... for the "r & f show", but not necessarily for "t h".

if the new show worked as an hour format, while fez was still doing r & f, great... maybe they could explore developing the new show into a more ambitious product and r & f will evolve further into r & r or r & d or just rbi. if the new show doesn't work out, well fez earned some great experience, and maybe had a therapeutic outlet for a few months to return stronger to other facets of life.

[TjM]

here's my idea for fez. the basic premise is that maybe fez needs a change in environment to precipitate or enable a change in thinking, or maybe that he needs a new challenge to really feel fulfilled.

right now on xm 98, outq, they do reruns all weekend, according to this schedule (http://xmradio.com/pdf/channel_guide.pdf). i propose a new show: the todd hillier experience. the concept of the show is... fez (todd, in this case). we explore the past, present, and future for todd. we talk openly about his lifestyle, weekends, and aspirations. not all of this has to do with being gay, maybe some shows that is barely mentioned. he leads the show and holds discussions with some surrounding group of friends on topics running the gamut of politics, movies, celebrity gossip, and society. i think it would be really cool to here about fez on a date. occasionally there are bits, or characters- perhaps the reincarnation of the fezitorial. maybe the opening theme is talking heads / once in a lifetime.

currently on r & f, there is kind of a cringing tension and constant mocking-style humor surrounding fez being gay. now this is probably smart... for the "r & f show", but not necessarily for "t h".

if the new show worked as an hour format, while fez was still doing r & f, great... maybe they could explore developing the new show into a more ambitious product and r & f will evolve further into r & r or r & d or just rbi. if the new show doesn't work out, well fez earned some great experience, and maybe had a therapeutic outlet for a few months to return stronger to other facets of life.

Ah boo

[The Ogre]

Ah boo


Are you trying to say you wouldn't want more Fez radio? Hater.

[WampusCrandle]

Are you trying to say you wouldn't want more Fez radio? Hater.

ah boo

[WampusCrandle]

[
I know a lot of these people. They had my back. And they're concerned for me as a person. The stuff I discuss on the air is happening to me "as a person", not just a radio host. If I had a different job, these people would still be supporting me and wanting to help me. They're that kind of people.

And by saying I want to feel like myself again, that means a happy fun person. That applies to everything in my life, not just my job.

Fez, you have become quite strong on the radio, and I hope you know that the real fans are here for ya! WE HEART FEZ! like i have said before, you have come along way, and you are still going, and everyone that cares can notice the changes are for the better!

[Hepcat22]

The Ron & Fez show is pure genius and the best thing I've ever heard on radio.

[WampusCrandle]

The Ron & Fez show is pure genius and the best thing I've ever heard on radio.

the best thing i've read in this thread.

[#1FanofESD]

He has.

What kind of 'mod' discusses infractions wth the posters in the thread?

He has, lol.

[EliSnow]

What kind of 'mod' discusses infractions wth the posters in the thread?

He has, lol.

The best kind.

[WampusCrandle]

The best kind.

even the fans give fake infractions - me.

[Death Metal Moe]

What kind of 'mod' discusses infractions wth the posters in the thread?

He has, lol.

<a href="http://jj.am/gallery/v/chan/Advice_Puppy/fell_short.gif.html"><img src="http://jj.am/gallery/d/56296-2/fell_short.gif" alt="fell_short" /></a>

[#1FanofESD]

First off all....im still laughing from armchair dentist.

Second of all...love you fez.

Third of all.... who are you to judge mine or anyone else's motives? You dont have enough information to do that. I suggest you let fez be the judge of who are his friends and who arent. And its cute that you're so sure everyone goes back to their own lives and forgets all about each other from 3pm until noon the next day. You know everything.

Your attitude that you think you are the only one that knows whats best for a person you have never met (or have you?) is condescending to fez, his friends, and even his therapist and waaaaaaaaaaaay oversimplies human behavior. I have no idea what's ultimately the best thing for fez or any other person in a difficult time is, but I'm not going to pretend i have THE ANSWER.

Why dont you take mikeyboys advice and switch from armchair psychiatrist to armchair dentist. Maybe you'll be better at that.

Do you ever get off the high horse?

Really?

I am not a drone like most of the people who 'love their HTG' because you're decent looking and have a brain.

And stop already with the over bearing act about you not having all the answers and blah blah blah. You are not the 'peoples champ'.

You're Big A. You're Stalker Patty. You're Paul O. You're Mafia Life Chris. You're A.J. Dynamite. You're Crazed.

You are a character on a radio show. You are the 'tolerable hole'.

Here's a question to see if you are real as you think you are...

Did Ron and Fez think it was PSM as the call was going on live?

A simple yes or no will do.

[Whiskeyportal]

miss A.J. Dynamite

[#1FanofESD]

The best kind.

You mean the biased kind.

Like the 'I showd him kind', lol.

And you gave me an infraction saying I insulted Kayja.

How do you I wasn't insulted by some of the posts that are in here that were aimed at me?

If I pick the ones that were and send them to you will those posters be given an infraction?

lol.

[disneyspy]

pissin off ESDs biggest fan, a big HHHHHHHHH

[Whiskeyportal]

pissin off ESDs biggest fan, a big HHHHHHHHH

nice one sir.

[EliSnow]

You mean the biased kind.

Like the 'I showd him kind', lol.

And you gave me an infraction saying I insulted Kayja.

How do you I wasn't insulted by some of the posts that are in here that were aimed at me?

If I pick the ones that were and send them to you will those posters be given an infraction?

lol.

Everyone got warnings on this thread, twice. You were the only one who continued the insults after the warnings. Hence the infraction.

And I told everyone so that they knew you weren't getting away with ignoring the warnings.

[#1FanofESD]

Everyone got warnings on this thread, twice. You were the only one who continued the insults after the warnings. Hence the infraction.

And I told everyone so that they knew you weren't getting away with ignoring the warnings.

OK, so list the people who got warnings then.

You outed me so now out them.

[EliSnow]

OK, so list the people who got warnings then.

You outed me so now out them.


Read the thread. I said the warnings were in the thread itself. Everyone but you stopped the insults after the warnings.