If A Friend Asks You To...

[GregoryJoseph]

..."bend the rules" a bit at your job to help them out of a jam, would you do it even if it could get you in trouble (and maybe even fired) if you're caught?

Are they really a friend if they ask you to jeopardize your livelihood in order to help them, or are they completely selfish and self absorbed?

[Dude!]

Are they really a friend if they ask you to jeopardize your livelihood in order to help them

n
o

no

[Death Metal Moe]

If you're not 100% sure you won't get caught I'd say don't do it. The job market sucks right now and finding a new job, especially with the fact that you won't get to use that last job as a reference, is something to consider.

A real friend wouldn't ask you to put your job in jeopardy.

[britneypablo]

<font color="deeppink"> I would not....but of course my friends would not ask me to because they know I am not friendly

[mikeyboy]

No. Don't do it.

[hammersavage]

Depends on the jam. I would do anything for a friend if I deemed it serious enough.




Wait, what job?

[grlNIN]

Nope.

Don't care if i've known them my entire life, it's never ok to put someone into a situation like that.

[disneyspy]

if its a best friend yes,just a friend,no

[mdr55]

Depends I guess. But one's person jam might mean something else to me. If it involves doing something illegally at work, it would be a no. And if they were my friend, they would understand and live with it.

[sailor]

depends.

[Nothing Sound]

I have no friends at work so it wouldn't be an issue. But even if I did
I would throw anyone of them under the bus if I knew it would save my ass.

[STC-Dub]

This is exactly why I have no friends...

[Brad in Bama]

I'm going with the other posts above that says a real friend wouldn't ask you to do shit like that.

[Tall_James]

Rat him out and get his office and parking space.

[sailor]

i think it's bullshit to say a real friend wouldn't ask you to do something like that.

(and i don't think the friend works at the same job as you in this scenario)

[BlackSpider]

Can you elaborate on your example...?
What would be involved in "bending the rules",
and what kind of "jam" is he/she in...?



If you get rid of people in your life (like I did)
You wouldn't have to worry about these things...

[MC Pee Pants]

Nah.

[brettmojo]

n
o

no
x2.

[mdr55]

and i don't think the friend works at the same job as you in this scenario

That's what I was thinking too. Like if you work at a car rental service and a friend asks you to "borrow" a car for the night and return it before the place opens or something.

Or your a cop and you pull over your friend who's intoxicated or their selling drugs in a school zone, and ask you to give them a break.

[sailor]

That's what I was thinking too. Like if you work at a car rental service and a friend asks you to "borrow" a car for the night and return it before the place opens or something.

Or your a cop and you pull over your friend who's intoxicated or their selling drugs in a school zone, and ask you to give them a break.

or working at a hotel and giving a friend a key to a room for the night. i guess i'd have to still say depends, but at least sometimes it's a yes.

[GregoryJoseph]

i think it's bullshit to say a real friend wouldn't ask you to do something like that.

(and i don't think the friend works at the same job as you in this scenario)

That's what I was thinking too. Like if you work at a car rental service and a friend asks you to "borrow" a car for the night and return it before the place opens or something.

Or your a cop and you pull over your friend who's intoxicated or their selling drugs in a school zone, and ask you to give them a break.

or working at a hotel and giving a friend a key to a room for the night. i guess i'd have to still say depends, but at least sometimes it's a yes.


These examples perfectly convey what I had in mind. I apologize for not making the initial post clearer, but thank you for bringing it into focus.

[Dude!]

or working at a hotel and giving a friend a key to a room for the night. i guess i'd have to still say depends, but at least sometimes it's a yes.

so then the next day the hotel
has to pay to have staff clean the room
why should they

and why would you jeopardize your job

i would never ask a friend who worked at a hotel
for the key to a 'no charge room'

but then, i am a good friend

[sailor]

so then the next day the hotel
has to pay to have staff clean the room
why should they

and why would you jeopardize your job

i would never ask a friend who worked at a hotel
for the key to a 'no charge room'

but then, i am a good friend

no, because you would trust your friend to not mess up the room. that's the part where it would be possible for you to get in trouble, silly. and your definition of a good friend is your own, not everyone else's.

[Dude!]

no, because you would trust your friend to not mess up the room. that's the part where it would be possible for you to get in trouble, silly. and your definition of a good friend is your own, not everyone else's.

i don't want friends like you have then

[TheMojoPin]

Why would the friend need a free room at the hotel? If he needs a place to stay and he's your friend, put him up at your place.

[hammersavage]

Why would the friend need a free room at the hotel? If he needs a place to stay and he's your friend, put him up at your place.

Whore banging you silly goose.

[sailor]

Why would the friend need a free room at the hotel? If he needs a place to stay and he's your friend, put him up at your place.

i've been on both sides of this with hotel rooms. basically it comes down to, you're out a bit too late and home is an hour away and you have work early. we're not talking friends in from out of town and sneaking them into a room for a week.

[TheMojoPin]

I can't think of any non-shady reason to let a friend use a room at the hotel you worked at for free that couldn't be accomplished by letting them crash at your place.

[TheMojoPin]

i've been on both sides of this with hotel rooms. basically it comes down to, you're out a bit too late and home is an hour away and you have work early. we're not talking friends in from out of town and sneaking them into a room for a week.

That's a lot of risk for something pretty meaningless.

[sailor]

That's a lot of risk for something pretty meaningless.

it's really not a lot of risk and it's not that meaningless either. to each his own.

[TheMojoPin]

it's really not a lot of risk and it's not that meaningless either. to each his own.

If your job is at the hotel and you're giving away a room for free overnight, I don't see how it isn't. If you worked at a car dealership you wouldn't let your friend use the car for the night, would you?

[sailor]

If your job is at the hotel and you're giving away a room for free overnight, I don't see how it isn't. If you worked at a car dealership you wouldn't let your friend use the car for the night, would you?

what i mean is it's risky in that you would probably lose your job if caught, but not terribly risky in that there's little to no chance of getting caught. for car dealerships, i don't know, having never worked at one. i assume they track mileage so it would be harder to get away with. also with electronic keys i imagine it would be much less common nowadays, but i haven't worked at a front desk in like 6 years or so (we kept using real keys long after everyone else switched over out of some dedication to style or some such silliness). whatever you may think of it, it was fairly common in the industry, especially if you have the joy of working overnights.

[TheMojoPin]

what i mean is it's risky in that you would probably lose your job if caught, but not terribly risky in that there's little to no chance of getting caught. for car dealerships, i don't know, having never worked at one. i assume they track mileage so it would be harder to get away with. also with electronic keys i imagine it would be much less common nowadays, but i haven't worked at a front desk in like 6 years or so (we kept using real keys long after everyone else switched over out of some dedication to style or some such silliness). whatever you may think of it, it was fairly common in the industry, especially if you have the joy of working overnights.

So for you it comes down to the practicality of getting away with it and there's no moral debate at all.

[TripleSkeet]

Im with sailor on this. Its just the wording of the question I guess that makes it weird.

I bartended for years. And even though I never had a friend ask me to "hook him up becuase he was in a jam" there have been thousands of times Ive given them drinks without charging them. I dont think Ive ever met a bartender that hasnt done this actually.

I mean, yea you risk your job (depending on the place) but you get some great tips out of it and make some money. I always worked for huge corporate type bars so yea I never had a moral dilemma giving a friend of mine free drinks because the place still made millions of dollars a year anyway so it didnt bother me.

[weekapaugjz]

..."bend the rules" a bit at your job to help them out of a jam, would you do it even if it could get you in trouble (and maybe even fired) if you're caught?

Are they really a friend if they ask you to jeopardize your livelihood in order to help them, or are they completely selfish and self absorbed?

i would help the co-worker out. fuck the man.

[jauble]

This is exactly why I have no friends...

You're the one who's already in the jam?

[sr71blackbird]

I'd need more background to make a decision. If your job is the person who escorts patients into the office to see the doctor and your friend was really ill, I'd say its okay. But if your job is to approve loans at a bank and your unemployed friend is looking for a loan for a mansion, you should not give him the loan. See what I mean?

[SatCam]

I wouldnt do it to a friend and I hope a friend wouldnt put me in the situation where Id have to make that decision because Id have a hard time saying no.

[Slumbag]

so then the next day the hotel
has to pay to have staff clean the room
why should they

and why would you jeopardize your job

i would never ask a friend who worked at a hotel
for the key to a 'no charge room'

but then, i am a good friend

I worked at this shitbox hotel about two years back.
On an average night, I would pull in around $100. Sometimes a lot more.
The thing with hotels, is the housekeeping staff generally hates the manager, and loves the front desk people. So, 50 of that would go to the housekeeping manager. They don't usually have to clean rooms, so there day is free. When you give rooms away, it's mainly for fucking, so it's a quick, 5 minute bed change.
If they have to do 5 in one night, that's 10 bucks a room. I never had an employee rat me out or turn me down.

I'm in a pretty nice hotel now, and would never do that ever.
It depends on the gig, I suppose.

[sailor]

So for you it comes down to the practicality of getting away with it and there's no moral debate at all.

no, but that was the part of it that kept being questioned. in my case there was limited moral debate. no extra effort was expended by the hotel. the room didn't need to be cleaned, they weren't sold out and it's not like they lost money as the alternative was never that this person would pay for a room.

and yeah, ts, i was going to bring up the example of a bartender hooking their friend up with an occasional(often?) free drink. and heck, in that case this would be counted as spillage or such and actual physical product is going out, so in a way that would be even worse.

so mojo, you wouldn't take free beers from your bartender friend?

[Dude!]

so mojo, you wouldn't take free beers from your bartender friend?

that is not the question

the question is
would you go into a bartender you know
and say 'give me free drinks'

huge difference

[Aggie]

Nah, don't think I'm doing it. I'll do everything in power to help WITHOUT breaking the rules but chances are the ends don't justify the means.

<font color="deeppink"> I would not....but of course my friends would not ask me to because they know I am not friendly

britneypablo....the bitchiest friend a gal could have!

[TheMojoPin]

so mojo, you wouldn't take free beers from your bartender friend?

I'd take "free drinks" from my bartender friend for the same reason I'll take free drinks form any bartender: I tip big wih the idea of ideally getting a free rounf of drinks or the like down the line. I'm putting in for the "free drinks." And like Dude said, I'd never ask for it in the first place.

And that the hotel room didn't need to be cleaned is ridiculous. Someone stayed in it overnight and slept there and likely used the bathroom. Of course it needs to be cleaned. If the friend cleaned it himself instead, what the hell was the point of him staying there since he still lost the hour (or a good chunk of it) it would take to get home cleaning the room instead of the staff?

[grlNIN]

no, because you would trust your friend to not mess up the room. that's the part where it would be possible for you to get in trouble, silly. and your definition of a good friend is your own, not everyone else's.

So your friend would make the bed and put the towels and stuff back perfectly as if no one was ever there?

Then someone canr ent that room and sleep in dirty sheets and use a strangers towels?

That's disgusting.

[TripleSkeet]

that is not the question

the question is
would you go into a bartender you know
and say 'give me free drinks'

huge difference

Actually the question is more like "If youre friend asked you for free drinks, would you give it to them?"

[Dude!]

Actually the question is more like "If youre friend asked you for free drinks, would you give it to them?"

yeah i reversed it
to show that an asking 'friend'
is a user

[beachbum]

The question is way too vague to merit a serious answer.All situations are unique and it would depend on the circumstances.

Also an established person like myself will be a lot less likely to jeopardize the support of my family than I would have been in my 20's.

[drjoek]

No

No

[sailor]

So your friend would make the bed and put the towels and stuff back perfectly as if no one was ever there?

Then someone canr ent that room and sleep in dirty sheets and use a strangers towels?

That's disgusting.

yeah, they're animals and would shower and put back wet towels. of course showering is off the table. and you sleep on top of the duvet, which doesn't get changed anywhere, so no bed making is needed.

[TheMojoPin]

You have really filthy, gross friends.

[sailor]

You have really filthy, gross friends.

yeah, you've showered every single day of your life. go pee in a trough.

[TheMojoPin]

yeah, you've showered every single day of your life. go pee in a trough.

If they've got the day off, fine, but if they need to go to work? So they're not responsible enough to know when to call it a night when they hae work the next day, so they get a free hotel room for the night? And, to top it off, they're going into work unshowered and wearing the same disgusting clothes from the brouhaha the night before.

Oh, these captains of industry.

[grlNIN]

yeah, they're animals.

I am glad we agree on something!

[TripleSkeet]

If they've got the day off, fine, but if they need to go to work? So they're not responsible enough to know when to call it a night when they hae work the next day, so they get a free hotel room for the night? And, to top it off, they're going into work unshowered and wearing the same disgusting clothes from the brouhaha the night before.

Oh, these captains of industry.

Jesus dude your like Captain Responsibility.

Youve never pulled all nighters drinking and getting laid and wind up running into work without time to sleep or grab a shower? Man when I was in my early 20's I used to do that all the time.

I dont think this guys talking about the CEO of Merril Lynch in these circumstances.

Besides what kind of person doesnt take a small risk here and there to help out a friend? Thats how I measure what a friend truly is. Anybody can be friends with people that never need anything.

[Gvac]

I hope I'm not the only one grossed out and outraged that sailor said he'd let a friend crash in a hotel room and not call housekeeping to clean it in the morning because he trusts his buddy to "keep it clean."

I really feel good about staying in a hotel now. Maybe the sheets and pillowcases weren't changed because the manager's buddy slept there the night before but "kept it clean."

YUCK.

[denko]

Are they really a friend if they ask you to jeopardize your livelihood in order to help them, or are they completely selfish and self absorbed?


i would say yes, they are a friend. who else would you turn to if you were in a jam?

so now i ask you, mr joseph, are you really a "friend" if you have to ask us this question?

there are people in this life that i know and then there are my friends. for the people i consider friends i would go to great lengths to help them out, even if it meant risking my own ass.

plus it depends on the favor, "hey, i need to use one of your rental cars for the night to take my kid to the doctor" or "hey, i need a car to go see my dying grandmother" by all means, take the car... take my car, fuck...

but "hey, i need a car so i can go pick up this 8-ball" or "hey can i get a room to nail whores" no, no matter who you are.

[TripleSkeet]

I hope I'm not the only one grossed out and outraged that sailor said he'd let a friend crash in a hotel room and not call housekeeping to clean it in the morning because he trusts his buddy to "keep it clean."

I really feel good about staying in a hotel now. Maybe the sheets and pillowcases weren't changed because the manager's buddy slept there the night before but "kept it clean."

YUCK.

If you really believe every hotel room youve ever slept in was completely clean youre fucking nuts.

[TheMojoPin]

Jesus dude your like Captain Responsibility.

Youve never pulled all nighters drinking and getting laid and wind up running into work without time to sleep or grab a shower? Man when I was in my early 20's I used to do that all the time.

Nope. I always needed those showers to help face the day after a night like that. If I couldn't muster that, I called out.

I dont think this guys talking about the CEO of Merril Lynch in these circumstances.

Besides what kind of person doesnt take a small risk here and there to help out a friend? Thats how I measure what a friend truly is. Anybody can be friends with people that never need anything.

Screw that. A real friendship doesn't "require" you to risk your job. sailor's hypothetical is thatthe guy has to drive an hour to get home. OK, where's my place? If it's closer, I let him stay there. If he lives near me, I drive him home, or get him a ride with someone who lives near him, or he crashes at another friend's place that's closer. THAT'S what friends do for each other.

[TheMojoPin]

If you really believe every hotel room youve ever slept in was completely clean youre fucking nuts.

Of course not, but ideally it's at least gotten a basic cleaning since the last guest was in there.

[NewYorkDragons80]

..."bend the rules" a bit at your job to help them out of a jam, would you do it even if it could get you in trouble (and maybe even fired) if you're caught?

Are they really a friend if they ask you to jeopardize your livelihood in order to help them, or are they completely selfish and self absorbed?

I always assumed Gvac collected social security. His SSN is 1, after all. Oops, I think I gave away too much. Now he'll have to hide out for 3 months and make his comeback by attacking Sheepy. See ya in July!

[TjM]

No

I won't even put a good word in with business contacts for a friend I know is a fuck up

[CountryBob]

Friends can come and go but decisions that affect your job and livelihood can haunt you forever.

[hammersavage]

I think jobs can come and go but friends are around forever but that's just me.

[TjM]

A friend should not ask you to risk your livelihood for them.

[TripleSkeet]

Screw that. A real friendship doesn't "require" you to risk your job. sailor's hypothetical is thatthe guy has to drive an hour to get home. OK, where's my place? If it's closer, I let him stay there. If he lives near me, I drive him home, or get him a ride with someone who lives near him, or he crashes at another friend's place that's closer. THAT'S what friends do for each other.

I get your point. But from that point of view you could also say "As a bartender, if hes your friend, instead of giving him free drinks why dont you just give him money out of your pocket to pay for the drinks?" It wouldnt risk your job, and it helps out your friend, but it never happens that way.

I think its sometimes a power thing. I mean everyone knows what act comes with what level of risk. I mean, do you turn down a friend even if the chance of you getting caught and losing your job is like 1%? Every situation is different I guess, I dont think it can be a total black and white issue.

But I have a reputation as being the friend you can call on for just about anything day or night. Ive literally had friends call me at 4am and ask me to drive 2 hours to the shore to pick them up because they were too drunk to drive, just to see if I would.

[JackieJokeMan]

No

I won't even put a good word in with business contacts for a friend I know is a fuck up

Then why are you friends with them?

[Fatwreck86]

yes

[TheMojoPin]

I get your point. But from that point of view you could also say "As a bartender, if hes your friend, instead of giving him free drinks why dont you just give him money out of your pocket to pay for the drinks?" It wouldnt risk your job, and it helps out your friend, but it never happens that way.

I think its sometimes a power thing. I mean everyone knows what act comes with what level of risk. I mean, do you turn down a friend even if the chance of you getting caught and losing your job is like 1%? Every situation is different I guess, I dont think it can be a total black and white issue.

But I have a reputation as being the friend you can call on for just about anything day or night. Ive literally had friends call me at 4am and ask me to drive 2 hours to the shore to pick them up because they were too drunk to drive, just to see if I would.

I don't think the bartending analogy really holds up. While free drinks are technically "under the table," it's pretty common and seems to be tolerated to a point in the bar and restaurant business. That's not to say bartenders can just go nuts with the free drinks, but it seems pretty easy for them to sell cheaper drinks or give out free ones (since ideally it draws people back or gets them in the modd to by more drinks later on) than most other jobs let the employees give away the product for free, ie - working at a hotel.

[Sinestro]

Getting this from another thread (when thread collide...Crisis on Infinite Ronfez.net)......


You're friend is in a jam and they ask you to squeeze their dick (they have some disorder that makes his hand go limp when going to take a pee), do you or don't you? If you don't are you a real friend??? If you do...........hey, it don't make you a bad person. But who am I to judge?