Ron Is Right

[Gvac]

On today's show Ron said he was discussing with mikeyboy a few nights ago how RonFez.net has run its course.

I couldn't agree more.

In this age of cell phones, Paltalk, and satellite radio it's not what it once was. Technology has rendered this site irrelevant. We might as well be posting on an actual message board in towne square and have the local crier come out and ring the bell every time someone puts something up.

Ron even noticed how JustJon is hardly ever here anymore. He'd much rather be on Twitter than helping run a fan site devoted to a show he supposedly loves.

The whole shit house is going up in flames, and not a moment too soon in my opinion.

[hammersavage]

I disagree. I like it here. It's my online home and I get to bullshit with people I like. I hope it sticks around forever.

[TheMojoPin]

No doubt Gvac will bravely lead the exodus and depart ASAP. Anything else would be the act of an insecure mental unstable longing for asskissing.

[JerseyRich]

This movement is going to be just as successful as that god awful Neti-Pot Movement.

[Furtherman]

Sorry drjoek (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=77660&highlight=agree), but this place is better than ever.

Exhibit A: All the hot girls that have been posting here lately.

I rest my case.

No further questions.

I SAID NO FURTHER QUESTIONS!!!!!!

[Foster]

On today's show Ron said he was discussing with mikeyboy a few nights ago how RonFez.net has run its course.

I couldn't agree more.




gonna hate to see ya go Gvac, but if thats the way you feel, I wish you luck with twitter

[Hottub]

Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.

[topless_mike]

This movement is going to be just as successful as that god awful Neti-Pot Movement.

maybe it'll be better than marc's ESG campaign as well...

[ToiletCrusher]

about everything?

[Don Stugots]

should we set up a bomb shelter?

[topless_mike]

< breaking out the hammer >

[Aggie]

But...this board has the best selection of creeps out there. Where else could I get my fill?

[Gvac]

I apologize. I should have phrased my initial post differently so my assertions were clearer.


This site, AS FAR AS THE RON AND FEZ SHOW GOES, is irrelevant.

I said nothing about its social aspects.

And that's just it; RonFez.net has become a force unto itself. It's no longer a companion (or even a friend) to the show it's named after.

There was a time when either Ron or Fez would have won a poll against God. Now people vote for a comic actor who calls the show once in awhile over one of the hosts. Maybe everyone here thought it was a big joke but I don't think the boys took it that way.

For some reason, whenever I point stuff like this out people get extremely defensive and attack me. I have no idea why; I'm merely stating the facts.

The majority of people come here to hang out, bullshit, and meet new people - NOT to discuss the show or help it out in any way.

Sorry if the truth hurts.

[~Katja~]

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500 threads started by gvac (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/search.php?searchid=1890046)

how are you going to text me all these discussions?

[hammersavage]

There was a time when either Ron or Fez would have won a poll against God. Now people vote for a comic actor who calls the show once in awhile over one of the hosts. Maybe everyone here thought it was a big joke but I don't think the boys took it that way.

So on one hand you hate ass kissing but you think Ron and Fez should win a poll against God?

[boobieman]

On today's show Ron said he was discussing with mikeyboy a few nights ago how RonFez.net has run its course.

I couldn't agree more.

In this age of cell phones, Paltalk, and satellite radio it's not what it once was. Technology has rendered this site irrelevant. We might as well be posting on an actual message board in towne square and have the local crier come out and ring the bell every time someone puts something up.

Ron even noticed how JustJon is hardly ever here anymore. He'd much rather be on Twitter than helping run a fan site devoted to a show he supposedly loves.

The whole shit house is going up in flames, and not a moment too soon in my opinion.


Nope. Totally disagree. I check here a few times a day. I enjoy the site and take whats here as it is. It's a site to discuss the show and discuss shit with like minded people. I will be a ronfez.netter even after the show is gone...or changes to ronanthony.net

Ah a man can dream can't he.

I also have to stick around and see who will win the NFL vote off thread..and that will take years..years!

SEEYAYAYAYAYAYAYAAAAAAAAA

[Furtherman]

There are enough of us in the listening threads and posts started about topics on the air that I feel makes this place a great companion to the show.

[Gvac]

There are enough of us in the listening threads and posts started about topics on the air that I feel makes this place a great companion to the show.

You know I love you, bro, but let's be honest - the majority of the listening thread is people saying hello, posting pics of chicks, and telling everyone what they're eating for lunch. Even with all that nonsense it's dying a slow death.

Have you ever tried to start a discussion about something brought up on the show? It's a race to see how quickly it can get derailed.

I'm not knocking anyone, I'm just saying that RonFez.net has become a community unto itself.

I think anyone who disagrees with me is mentally unstable.

[hammersavage]

You know I love you, bro, but let's be honest - the majority of the listening thread is people saying hello, posting pics of themselves cooking, and telling everyone what they're eating for lunch. Even with all that nonsense it's dying a slow death.

Now this, I somewhat agree with.

But I try to start or take part in discussions that would be good show fodder. But we are not producers.

[furie]

i hear what you're saying gvac
i've been thinking the same thing for a while now

[TheMojoPin]

You know I love you, bro, but let's be honest - the majority of the listening thread is people saying hello, posting pics of chicks, and telling everyone what they're eating for lunch. Even with all that nonsense it's dying a slow death.

Gvac is now slamming CHUCKWAGONCOOK, a man he very recently procalimed to be a paragon of posting and character that the rest of us should seek to be.

Gvac's mental stability is out of control. The funny farm must be called to help him.

[epo]

500 threads started by gvac (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/search.php?searchid=1890046)

how are you going to text me all these discussions?

If you'd like I can forward you all of the texts and IMs that Gvac sends me. If only you knew the delicious topics and utter sexyness!

[Furtherman]

You know I love you, bro, but let's be honest - the majority of the listening thread is people saying hello, posting pics of chicks, and telling everyone what they're eating for lunch. Even with all that nonsense it's dying a slow death.

Have you ever tried to start a discussion about something brought up on the show? It's a race to see how quickly it can get derailed.

I hear you with the listening threads - there is a bit of an annoyance with some of what you listed (sorry, not the chicks!), however there are days that it flows nicely and it works. Not every day is a winner and not every day is a picture of someone's kitchen or pillow.

As for thread discussions - same thing, some work, some don't.

But we have taken a life of our own and if the Ron & Fez Show would end tomorrow, I'd still post here. That's not a bad thing.

[CHUCKWAGONCOOK]

The majority of people come here to hang out, bullshit, and meet new people - NOT to discuss the show or help it out in any way.

Sorry if the truth hurts.TRUST AND BELIEVE!!!!

I come here just to post this picture of Fezzie and I at the Turkey Trot in St. Petersburg FLorida. ON Thanksgiving Day 2008.

http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo92/chuckwagoncook_2008/012-1.jpg

[denko]

Have you ever tried to start a discussion about something brought up on the show? It's a race to see how quickly it can get derailed.



every thread is like that...

example: person asks question, then its a race to either post the most sarcastic answer or point out the spelling or grammatical errors therein.

not complaining, just sayin.

[MacVittie]

then let this be your last thread. here's a lovely parting gift.

http://goldprice.org/gold-jewellery/uploaded_images/geneva-gold-watch-719763.jpg

[IMSlacker]

There was a time when either Ron or Fez would have won a poll against God. Now people vote for a comic actor who calls the show once in awhile over one of the hosts. Maybe everyone here thought it was a big joke but I don't think the boys took it that way.


jayjay

Keep him or lose him?

Simple question. Answer honestly!

The poll wasn't Fez vs. Jay Mohr, it was whether or not we wanted to keep or lose Jay Mohr. Or, at least that's how I interpreted toiletcrusher's terrible poll.

[Hottub]

From this point forward:


There shall be no Bar Nights
Softball Games
Band Nights
Get Togethers
and the like.


If you have somebody's number in your phone, delete it.
If you are married to someone from the board, divorce them.
We will only talk about the show, and discuss TheMojoPin's daily rundown.

Friends and community are for faggots.


Ron is right.

[TheMojoPin]

The poll wasn't Fez vs. Jay Mohr, it was whether or not we wanted to keep or lose Jay Mohr. Or, at least that's how I interpreted toiletcrusher's terrible poll.

Both options also meant that Fez was wrong.

toiletcrusher hates fezfez.

[TheMojoPin]

From this point forward:


There shall be no Bar Nights
Softball Games
Band Nights
Get Togethers
and the like.


If you have somebody's number in your phone, delete it.
If you are married to someone from the board, divorce them.
We will only talk about the show, and discuss TheMojoPin's daily rundown.

Friends and community are for faggots.


Ron is right.

Great.

Now Hottub is trying to be tough.

[Suspect Chin]

You know I love you, bro, but let's be honest - the majority of the listening thread is people saying hello, posting pics of chicks, and telling everyone what they're eating for lunch.

Have you ever tried to start a discussion about something brought up on the show? It's a race to see how quickly it can get derailed.


I think typing and submitting is just too slow of a medium to keep up with the pace of the show during the listening thread. The only time it seems to work is when Ron really sticks to a subject for a while so people have time to respond. To me it is like being in a company wide conference call with no leader -- everyone talking at once and trying to take the conversation in a different direction because they are not getting the visual cues necessary to realize that they are stepping on each other.

[WampusCrandle]

Gvac is probably the closest we have to a present day Moses.

[Gvac]

I think typing and submitting is just too slow of a medium to keep up with the pace of the show.

Exactly why I said technology passed us by, bro.

You get it.

[Dell]

Exactly why I said technology passed us by, bro.

You get it.

Hey budday. Just curious as to what you think would "fix" the problems as you see them. I get that you think something is wrong, but what do you think would make it better?

[Gvac]

Hey budday. Just curious as to what you think would "fix" the problems as you see them. I get that you think something is wrong, but what do you think would make it better?

Unfortunately, not much. It's just that the time has passed.

It's like we're trying to sell pony express service against UPS and FedEx.

It's over, as far as our symbiotic relationship with the Ron and Fez show goes.

Of course this place will continue to thrive and survive as a social network of sorts.

That's all I'm saying.

[disneyspy]

bein new to the board,i'd have to say its pretty good,i'm glad its not full of attention seekin whores that would kiss alot of ass to be mentioned on the show,i'm glad i wasn't part of those days,seems too cock suckery,i'm glad the days of board gossip are over,i dont feel like i missed anything,sorry if some of you old timers dont feel like you're gettin the attention you crave or deserve but the show isnt about you,at least its not what i listen for

[Gvac]

bein new to the board,i'd have to say its pretty good,i'm glad its not full of attention seekin whores that would kiss alot of ass to be mentioned on the show,i'm glad i wasn't part of those days,seems too cock suckery,i'm glad the days of board gossip are over,i dont feel like i missed anything,sorry if some of you old timers dont feel like you're gettin the attention you crave or deserve but the show isnt about you,at least its not what i listen for

It's not about that, dis.

There was a time where the show would use the discussions on the message board as topics for debate, and vice versa.

That's an extremely rare occurrence these days.

That's all I'm saying.

[drjoek]

This is not a "shock" post or an attempt to rile people up, it's a total shoot.


We all love, respect, and admire the great Ronnie B. He's one in a million. Thoughtful, introspective, knowledgeable, hilarious, quick-witted, alpha male, take-no-shit attitude, etc.

Everyone can find something to admire in this guy. I know that I not only enjoy Ron Bennington the radio personality, but also Ron Bennington the man. He's a fantastic conversationalist and is extremely genuine. He's no bullshit artist. He's a guy that I'd hang out with in 'real life' whether he was a construction worker or a chef or a writer or a CEO or whatever.

He's an interesting and fascinating man.

But just a man.

Some of the sycophants who attempt to ingratiate themselves with the show in general or Ron in particular truly turn my stomach. Ditto for his staff members.

Does everyone really agree with everything he has to say? EVERYTHING???

Ron himself has practically begged for an opposing point of view but he's usually met with little or no resistance.

It's a shame, really. We'd learn so much more about Ronnie if someone engaged him in conversation or debate long enough to have him peel back a few more layers. Instead, he merely has to state an opinion and it's branded as law.

I don't know about you guys, but I respect a shepherd far more than a sheep. I'd bet anything Ron does too.

I apologize. I should have phrased my initial post differently so my assertions were clearer.


This site, AS FAR AS THE RON AND FEZ SHOW GOES, is irrelevant.

I said nothing about its social aspects.

And that's just it; RonFez.net has become a force unto itself. It's no longer a companion (or even a friend) to the show it's named after.

There was a time when either Ron or Fez would have won a poll against God. Now people vote for a comic actor who calls the show once in awhile over one of the hosts. Maybe everyone here thought it was a big joke but I don't think the boys took it that way.

For some reason, whenever I point stuff like this out people get extremely defensive and attack me. I have no idea why; I'm merely stating the facts.

The majority of people come here to hang out, bullshit, and meet new people - NOT to discuss the show or help it out in any way.

Sorry if the truth hurts.


Help me smart people
What am I to believe

[TheMojoPin]

Help me smart people
What am I to believe

drjoek gets it.

Gvac's multiple personalities need to be merged. SAVE HIM FROM HIMSELF!

[disneyspy]

It's not about that, dis.

There was a time where the show would use the discussions on the message board as topics for debate, and vice versa.

That's an extremely rare occurrence these days.

That's all I'm saying.

is that because the discussions suck or they're not interested in us doin their show prep?

[BlackSpider]

From now on,
I will only read Gvac threads that pertain to the show...

[Gvac]

is that because the discussions suck or they're not interested in us doin their show prep?

The latter is the result of the former.

[TheMojoPin]

The site was not created to be "used" on the show. That was something that came with time. In a way, it's as if we have returned to our roots. We are the Space Baby from 2001.

[TheMojoPin]

The latter is the result of the former.

That makes no sense. We have more discussions than ever before and more people participating. If they wanted topics to discuss from this site, there's more than ever before. If there were more topics ABOUT the show, there would be fewer threads to discuss on the show because it would make little sense to discuss threads on the show that were about things on the show.

Only in a mentally unstable mind does this paradox make any sense. TAKE MY HAND, GVAC.

[Furtherman]

We are the Space Baby from 2001.

Or we've de-evolved into those crazy apes.

[Don Stugots]

i agree with Mojo. The site is a fan site. If the show staff come here and see a topic they like and use it, great but it shouldn't be expected. it is a place for ron and fez show fans to come to talk about their favorite radio show with like minded people.

[TheMojoPin]

Or we've de-evolved into those crazy apes.

No, that's Gvac. I'm the Monolith trying to lift him up.

[AKA]

It's not about that, dis.

There was a time where the show would use the discussions on the message board as topics for debate, and vice versa.

That's an extremely rare occurrence these days.

That's all I'm saying.

When was this magic time? Briefly during the WNEW years, because starting in 2003, during the WJFK time, the board all but forgot there was a radio show going on - when they came to XM a rush of dreaded "new" listeners (mostly from boards like Wackbag) and drastically changed the tenor of this site once again (during the age of "negative") - I love Ron, and know him t be right all of the time, but in all honesty that has been the ideal of this site for eons and eons and it never really came to fruition. As Mojo said, the site has really come full circle to what it was always suppose to be.

[mikeyboy]

On today's show Ron said he was discussing with mikeyboy a few nights ago how RonFez.net has run its course.

I couldn't agree more.

In this age of cell phones, Paltalk, and satellite radio it's not what it once was. Technology has rendered this site irrelevant. We might as well be posting on an actual message board in towne square and have the local crier come out and ring the bell every time someone puts something up.

Ron even noticed how JustJon is hardly ever here anymore. He'd much rather be on Twitter than helping run a fan site devoted to a show he supposedly loves.

The whole shit house is going up in flames, and not a moment too soon in my opinion.

I believe you've taken something out of context on the show and added your own Gvacian spin to it. I will never pretend to speak to Ron, but I can speak to the conversation that seemingly gave rise to his statements on the air. That conversation stemmed from my frustrations with the board based on the complete lack of respect some people have shown to other members of the board.

There is this prevalent attitude among some of our members that if someone has an opinion that differs from their own, that person is a) wrong or b) lying based on ulterior motives. It came up a lot recently when there was a wave of threads critical of certain aspects of the show. On one side, the people complaining about something were branded as "not fans", "haters" and told dismissively "if you don't like it, turn the dial". On the other side, the people defending the show were accused of "drinking the kool-aid" or of kissing ass in an attempt to get mentioned on the show and what-not. It's a cheap way to argue against someone without addressing their points and it sucks.

This kind of attitude, unfortunately, has been old hat in our political forum. Too many of the arguments in there devolve into name calling along party lines. I guess it's really everywhere on the internet, and has been for a while. However, we've kind of prided ourselves on having a place that was above the "anything goes" laws of combat that is the norm at so many places out there and focused more on civility. I'll be the first to admit that we've had our difficulties in enforcing our rules equitably, but we've tried our best to do so. Anyway, this problem has popped up in a big way lately, and it's been frustrating to constantly have to remind our members to act like adults. It certainly makes this place much less fun to visit.

What is especially strange to me is that, given the fact that this is a fansite for the Ron & Fez Show, it's natural that members of the board are going to be biased towards the show. However, there has been a vocal minority that has been quick to accuse positivity to be merely a means to impress or get mentioned by the show, given that members of the show sometimes read and comment on the board. I don't quite get that, given that that has pretty much always been the relationship this board has had with the show, so I'm not sure what is responsible for this change in attitude towards positivity. I can say that I'm not kissing ass, and many people will give no credence to my statements, based on the fact that (I fully admit) I get treated pretty well by the show. However, the common bond of this board is the show, and there are thousands of active members who will never visit New York, never attend an event, never meet another board member in person, never have any expectation of being mentioned on the show who just love the show and want to talk about how much they love the show. That's why this place was started in the first place. Disagreeing with someone because they say something positive towards the show is one thing. Attacking them for their positivity is entirely another.

I'm not limiting this to the positive statements -- people with negative critiques should not be attacked for their opinions either. It's just that, since this is a fansite, positive opinions really shouldn't be out of place.

Bah. That's it. The board will continue to change and evolve, or it will cease to be.

Addressing some of Greg's points in this thread, yes this board has involved into something more social. Despite the fact that the membership spans the nation + Canada, tight knit friendships have evolved from people just getting to know each other based on words typed and posted. That's pretty cool. Is there a lot going on outside just discussion of the Ron & Fez Show? Without a doubt. Is there less discussion of the Ron & Fez Show than there used to be? That depends, I guess. It's still 10 times better than it was during the Siberia of the 2003-2004 WJFK period when this was still mostly a NY based board and there was almost no discussion of the show because the show could only be accessed through illegal and sometimes difficult to follow means. I remember instances when a new member would sign up to talk about something they heard on the show and start a thread about something show related, only to be shot down by the regulars who had no idea what that person was talking about because they weren't listening to the show.

The board will always go through ebbs and flows when it will be more and less focused on the show, but it's still much better than that time. If the show ultimately decides it's time to move away from this board, that will be their decision. I will always have loyalty to the show and appreciate everything they've done for me and this board, but if that day comes, I'll understand.

[hydee]

This movement is going to be just as successful as that god awful Neti-Pot Movement.

Aww don't take this out on the neti pot :(

[walking joint]

all of a sudden i feel like i'm back in college and need Cliff Notes.

[Gvac]

I believe you've taken something out of context on the show and added your own Gvacian spin to it. Blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah

Blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahbl ah



Reader's Digest version please!

[~Katja~]

Reader's Digest version please!

you mean the LARGE print?

[GreatAmericanZero]

Mikeyboy is Right

[dino_electropolis]

about everything?

...except Tool.

[Hottub]

You A.D.D. people should try to read Mikey's post. Some pretty good points were made.

[Recyclerz]

I believe you've taken something out of context on the show and added your own Gvacian spin to it. I will never pretend to speak to Ron, but I can speak to the conversation that seemingly gave rise to his statements on the air. That conversation stemmed from my frustrations with the board based on the complete lack of respect some people have shown to other members of the board.

There is this prevalent attitude among some of our members that if someone has an opinion that differs from their own, that person is a) wrong or b) lying based on ulterior motives. It came up a lot recently when there was a wave of threads critical of certain aspects of the show. On one side, the people complaining about something were branded as "not fans", "haters" and told dismissively "if you don't like it, turn the dial". On the other side, the people defending the show were accused of "drinking the kool-aid" or of kissing ass in an attempt to get mentioned on the show and what-not. It's a cheap way to argue against someone without addressing their points and it sucks.

This kind of attitude, unfortunately, has been old hat in our political forum. Too many of the arguments in there devolve into name calling along party lines. I guess it's really everywhere on the internet, and has been for a while. However, we've kind of prided ourselves on having a place that was above the "anything goes" laws of combat that is the norm at so many places out there and focused more on civility. I'll be the first to admit that we've had our difficulties in enforcing our rules equitably, but we've tried our best to do so. Anyway, this problem has popped up in a big way lately, and it's been frustrating to constantly have to remind our members to act like adults. It certainly makes this place much less fun to visit.

What is especially strange to me is that, given the fact that this is a fansite for the Ron & Fez Show, it's natural that members of the board are going to be biased towards the show. However, there has been a vocal minority that has been quick to accuse positivity to be merely a means to impress or get mentioned by the show, given that members of the show sometimes read and comment on the board. I don't quite get that, given that that has pretty much always been the relationship this board has had with the show, so I'm not sure what is responsible for this change in attitude towards positivity. I can say that I'm not kissing ass, and many people will give no credence to my statements, based on the fact that (I fully admit) I get treated pretty well by the show. However, the common bond of this board is the show, and there are thousands of active members who will never visit New York, never attend an event, never meet another board member in person, never have any expectation of being mentioned on the show who just love the show and want to talk about how much they love the show. That's why this place was started in the first place. Disagreeing with someone because they say something positive towards the show is one thing. Attacking them for their positivity is entirely another.

I'm not limiting this to the positive statements -- people with negative critiques should not be attacked for their opinions either. It's just that, since this is a fansite, positive opinions really shouldn't be out of place.

Bah. That's it. The board will continue to change and evolve, or it will cease to be.

Addressing some of Greg's points in this thread, yes this board has involved into something more social. Despite the fact that the membership spans the nation + Canada, tight knit friendships have evolved from people just getting to know each other based on words typed and posted. That's pretty cool. Is there a lot going on outside just discussion of the Ron & Fez Show? Without a doubt. Is there less discussion of the Ron & Fez Show than there used to be? That depends, I guess. It's still 10 times better than it was during the Siberia of the 2003-2004 WJFK period when this was still mostly a NY based board and there was almost no discussion of the show because the show could only be accessed through illegal and sometimes difficult to follow means. I remember instances when a new member would sign up to talk about something they heard on the show and start a thread about something show related, only to be shot down by the regulars who had no idea what that person was talking about because they weren't listening to the show.

The board will always go through ebbs and flows when it will be more and less focused on the show, but it's still much better than that time. If the show ultimately decides it's time to move away from this board, that will be their decision. I will always have loyalty to the show and appreciate everything they've done for me and this board, but if that day comes, I'll understand.

Somebody started a thread asking how you define "class". I don't know if I can define it, but I do know that Mikeyboy's post exemplifies it.

[hammersavage]

Lawyered!

[Gvac]

I believe you've taken something out of context on the show and added your own Gvacian spin to it. I will never pretend to speak to Ron, but I can speak to the conversation that seemingly gave rise to his statements on the air. That conversation stemmed from my frustrations with the board based on the complete lack of respect some people have shown to other members of the board.

There is this prevalent attitude among some of our members that if someone has an opinion that differs from their own, that person is a) wrong or b) lying based on ulterior motives. It came up a lot recently when there was a wave of threads critical of certain aspects of the show. On one side, the people complaining about something were branded as "not fans", "haters" and told dismissively "if you don't like it, turn the dial". On the other side, the people defending the show were accused of "drinking the kool-aid" or of kissing ass in an attempt to get mentioned on the show and what-not. It's a cheap way to argue against someone without addressing their points and it sucks.

This kind of attitude, unfortunately, has been old hat in our political forum. Too many of the arguments in there devolve into name calling along party lines. I guess it's really everywhere on the internet, and has been for a while. However, we've kind of prided ourselves on having a place that was above the "anything goes" laws of combat that is the norm at so many places out there and focused more on civility. I'll be the first to admit that we've had our difficulties in enforcing our rules equitably, but we've tried our best to do so. Anyway, this problem has popped up in a big way lately, and it's been frustrating to constantly have to remind our members to act like adults. It certainly makes this place much less fun to visit.

What is especially strange to me is that, given the fact that this is a fansite for the Ron & Fez Show, it's natural that members of the board are going to be biased towards the show. However, there has been a vocal minority that has been quick to accuse positivity to be merely a means to impress or get mentioned by the show, given that members of the show sometimes read and comment on the board. I don't quite get that, given that that has pretty much always been the relationship this board has had with the show, so I'm not sure what is responsible for this change in attitude towards positivity. I can say that I'm not kissing ass, and many people will give no credence to my statements, based on the fact that (I fully admit) I get treated pretty well by the show. However, the common bond of this board is the show, and there are thousands of active members who will never visit New York, never attend an event, never meet another board member in person, never have any expectation of being mentioned on the show who just love the show and want to talk about how much they love the show. That's why this place was started in the first place. Disagreeing with someone because they say something positive towards the show is one thing. Attacking them for their positivity is entirely another.

I'm not limiting this to the positive statements -- people with negative critiques should not be attacked for their opinions either. It's just that, since this is a fansite, positive opinions really shouldn't be out of place.

Bah. That's it. The board will continue to change and evolve, or it will cease to be.

Addressing some of Greg's points in this thread, yes this board has involved into something more social. Despite the fact that the membership spans the nation + Canada, tight knit friendships have evolved from people just getting to know each other based on words typed and posted. That's pretty cool. Is there a lot going on outside just discussion of the Ron & Fez Show? Without a doubt. Is there less discussion of the Ron & Fez Show than there used to be? That depends, I guess. It's still 10 times better than it was during the Siberia of the 2003-2004 WJFK period when this was still mostly a NY based board and there was almost no discussion of the show because the show could only be accessed through illegal and sometimes difficult to follow means. I remember instances when a new member would sign up to talk about something they heard on the show and start a thread about something show related, only to be shot down by the regulars who had no idea what that person was talking about because they weren't listening to the show.

The board will always go through ebbs and flows when it will be more and less focused on the show, but it's still much better than that time. If the show ultimately decides it's time to move away from this board, that will be their decision. I will always have loyalty to the show and appreciate everything they've done for me and this board, but if that day comes, I'll understand.

I believe you meant "evolved" didn't you?

I just scanned it quickly but I'm sure there are more errors.

I'll get back to you on it.

[mikeyboy]

Thanks, chief.

[Gvac]

Thanks, chief.

Anytime, buddy!

That's why I'm here - to educate you all.

[mikeyboy]

Just a heads up -- there are a few run-on sentences that I decided not to change.

[Gvac]

Just a heads up -- there are a few run-on sentences that I decided not to change.

As long as you know your mistakes, I won't call attention to them.

[mikeyboy]

You're a true gentleman.

[Gvac]

And a scholar.

Don't ever forget that.

[Marc with a c]

mikey's post needs a music bed.

[underdog]

mikey's post needs a music bed.

It had one when I read it.

[mikeyboy]

I want the Fezatorial music.

[Gvac]

I want the Fezatorial music.

I always assumed it was spelled "Fezitorial" as in "editorial."

Either way, though.

Mikeyboy's the best!

[mikeyboy]

I always assumed it was spelled "Fezitorial" as in "editorial."

Either way, though.

Mikeyboy's the best!

Oddly, I edited my post to change it from "fezitorial" to "fezatorial". I always thought it was fezitorial too, but the file names we got from the show for the file library from the early days of WNEW say "fezatorial". Blame Al or Rory, I guess.

[dino_electropolis]

I always assumed it was spelled "Fezitorial" as in "editorial."

Either way, though.

Mikeyboy's the best!

Wow, nitpickin' bro.....

Bad form.

[The Jays]

This board is just fine and dandy.

And if it wasn't for this board and its fine events, I would have never met my girlfriend's awesome tits, 3 years ago yesterday.

[spankyfrank]

Well I think that Ronfez.net is a superb site and may it last as long as the internet does. And any haters can go to this Bizzaro site......Antironfez.net and vent about how good everything used to be....

[dino_electropolis]

This board is just fine and dandy.

And if it wasn't for this board and its fine events, I would have never met my girlfriend's awesome tits, 3 years ago yesterday.

This post is useless without pics.

[Marc with a c]

And if it wasn't for this board and its fine events, I would have never met my girlfriend's awesome tits, 3 years ago yesterday.

are those the same tits that make steaks?

[STC-Dub]

I agree...to disagree.

[Marc with a c]

I agree...to disagree.

gvac once told me "facts are such a distraction from what's really happening."

[The Jays]

are those the same tits that make steaks?

Damn skippy.

[Dave's Cackle]

Thankfully, I haven't had to endure much board gossip on R&F lately. That bit accelerated the move where it turned posters into gimmicks so they'd get mentioned.

[falcon95]

how long before fezzie tries to fuck davey-mac:unsure::wub::unsure::drunk:

[falcon95]

:thumbup::king:

[ruggedo]

On today's show Ron said he was discussing with mikeyboy a few nights ago how RonFez.net has run its course.

I couldn't agree more.

In this age of cell phones, Paltalk, and satellite radio it's not what it once was. Technology has rendered this site irrelevant. We might as well be posting on an actual message board in towne square and have the local crier come out and ring the bell every time someone puts something up.

Ron even noticed how JustJon is hardly ever here anymore. He'd much rather be on Twitter than helping run a fan site devoted to a show he supposedly loves.

The whole shit house is going up in flames, and not a moment too soon in my opinion.

Wait. If you believed this wouldnt you not be posting this here? Doesnt posting this here prove the theory wrong? Is it easier to correct Mikeyboy's spelling then to admit you dont know what your talking about? Ok stop waiting.

[Gvac]

Is there less discussion of the Ron & Fez Show than there used to be? That depends, I guess. It's still 10 times better than it was during the Siberia of the 2003-2004 WJFK period when this was still mostly a NY based board and there was almost no discussion of the show because the show could only be accessed through illegal and sometimes difficult to follow means.


"I'm a rapist and a murderer, but at least I'm not a child molester!" or
"Yeah, it sucks now, but it used to be even worse!"

That's what that argument sounds like, mikey. Come on.

If you don't have people who are interested or capable of running the place properly, get rid of them.

It's really that simple.

Having Mods and Admins who lead by example would be a great start too.

I know you want to be "just one of the guys" but you're not; like it or not you're St. Mikeyboy of the Internetz. You can't indulge in member bashing if you're going to turn around and warn someone else for doing the same thing.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/3133/118895-89177-with-great-power-com_large.jpg

[drjoek]

http://www.discountbookdistributors.com/images/products/detail/RushRight.jpg
ought to photoshop this up with ron

Anyone capable?

[mikeyboy]

"I'm a rapist and a murderer, but at least I'm not a child molester!" or
"Yeah, it sucks now, but it used to be even worse!"

That's what that argument sounds like, mikey. Come on.

If you don't have people who are interested or capable of running the place properly, get rid of them.

It's really that simple.

Having Mods and Admins who lead by example would be a great start too.

I know you want to be "just one of the guys" but you're not; like it or not you're St. Mikeyboy of the Internetz. You can't indulge in member bashing if you're going to turn around and warn someone else for doing the same thing.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/3133/118895-89177-with-great-power-com_large.jpg

Apples and oranges. I was talking about the focus of the board on the show -- an issue you raised in this thread -- and you're talking about something completely different.

[A.J.]

It's still 10 times better than it was during the Siberia of the 2003-2004 WJFK period when this was still mostly a NY based board and there was almost no discussion of the show because the show could only be accessed through illegal and sometimes difficult to follow means. I remember instances when a new member would sign up to talk about something they heard on the show and start a thread about something show related, only to be shot down by the regulars who had no idea what that person was talking about because they weren't listening to the show.

I blame the RF.Net Recappers.

[fezfez]

How do I get one of those administrator jobs? And where's Just Jon?

[ToiletCrusher]

How do I get one of those administrator jobs? And where's Just Jon?

Those are both goddamn good questions.

[disneyspy]

How do I get one of those administrator jobs? And where's Just Jon?

you have to blow fe...,oh um,i dont know

[Hottub]

How do I get one of those administrator jobs? And where's Just Jon?

You don't want it, budday. The hours are long, the pay stinks and they took away the dental plan.

[ToiletCrusher]

You don't want it, budday. The hours are long, the pay stinks and they took away the dental plan.

I heard that they replaced the dental plan with swift kicks in the crotch.

[drjoek]

You don't want it, budday. The hours are long, the pay stinks and they took away the dental plan.

Then why am I still doing these teeth whitenings on Mikeyboy every week?
Am I not going to get reinbursed?
He will be billed
Bust out retail, no in-network price!

[MisterSmith]

You know I love you, bro, but let's be honest - the majority of the listening thread is people saying hello, posting pics of chicks, and telling everyone what they're eating for lunch. Even with all that nonsense it's dying a slow death.

Have you ever tried to start a discussion about something brought up on the show? It's a race to see how quickly it can get derailed.

I'm not knocking anyone, I'm just saying that RonFez.net has become a community unto itself.

I think anyone who disagrees with me is mentally unstable.

I just started reading this thread, so forgive me if I am saying something already stated.

If ronfez.net is not the force it once was and a companion to the show, I place that squarely on the backs of Ron & Fez.

They have chosen to rely on Phone Calls, Personal Texts, and PalTalk for input rather than drawing from the fan base at ronfez.net or using Instant Feedback. It is their show and they can do whatever they want, but it will obviously have an impact on the site.

99% of the people here are fans of Ron & Fez and support the show, but the site is simply not a direct part of the Ron & Fez Show anymore - that means threads are probably going to drift or derail because it doesn't matter if they stay on topic.

However, ronfez.net is still an important meeting place for the FANS of Ron & Fez. It is where we share our likes & dislikes regarding the show and share our lives. That is reason enough for it to continue.

[WampusCrandle]

How do I get one of those administrator jobs? And where's Just Jon?

FUCK YEAH! Fez is gonna kick some ass on this board. i can feel it.

[TheMojoPin]

How do I get one of those administrator jobs?

You have to defeat JustJon in a Thunderdome match to the death.

And where's Just Jon?

Hiding.

[Furtherman]

You have to defeat JustJon in a Thunderdome match to the death.

Two men enter, Jew man leave!

[DOHO@HOME]

Yeh

[Gvac]

Apples and oranges. I was talking about the focus of the board on the show -- an issue you raised in this thread -- and you're talking about something completely different.

I'm also speaking of the issues I raised, plus some of yours.

You spoke of how you hate when people flame each other, yet you (and other mods and admins) are guilty of it yourselves.

You said how the board has changed, yet you and your staff are the ones responsible for keeping it on track.

I was speaking about the exact same things you were. Rest assured.

[mikeyboy]

I'm also speaking of the issues I raised, plus some of yours.

You spoke of how you hate when people flame each other, yet you (and other mods and admins) are guilty of it yourselves.

Everyone who has been here as a regular is guilty of it some extent, even you. By and large, the staff has been above the fray. If there is a continuing problem with staff members flaming members it is something Jon and I deal with. I don't think anyone sees this as as much of an issue as you do.

You said how the board has changed, yet you and your staff are the ones responsible for keeping it on track.

Yes, it is, and my point was that the lack of civility has gotten so bad lately that it gets exhausting for the staff to constantly try to enforce the rules. None of us are getting paid, so when it becomes a job to police this site into isn't much fun.

I was speaking about the exact same things you were. Rest assured.

Sort of. You tend to pick and choose what to respond to based on your purposes.

[Gvac]

Sort of. You tend to pick and choose what to respond to based on your purposes.

No, no purposes.

Tell me what you would like me to respond to.

[Ricky24]

In my travels it seems every message board has a member that "enjoys a good debate"

[Gvac]

In my travels it seems every message board has a member that "enjoys a good debate"

I like the cut of your jib, "Ricky." :wink:

[Ricky24]

All is well my friend.

[NewYorkDragons80]

On today's show Ron said he was discussing with mikeyboy a few nights ago how RonFez.net has run its course.

I couldn't agree more.

I know a guy named Gvac who has an interesting theory on your thoughts (http://ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=67347).

[WampusCrandle]

I like the cut of your jib, "Ricky." :wink:

awwww sheeet, it's on, muthafuckas!

[Gvac]

I know a guy named Gvac who has an interesting theory on your thoughts (http://ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=67347).

You're about the fifth person to link to that post in this thread.

It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

I didn't say "I never agree with Ron." That thread was made at a time when Ron was surrounded with yes men. Since then, things have changed, and Dave has shown he's willing to take an opposing point of view to Ron's.

I agree with Ron a lot of times. I disagree with him at times too.

Because I made a thread that said "Ron is Right" that makes me a hypocrite somehow?

A lot of you have extremely poor reading comprehension skills and would fail Basic Logic at a Community College.

It's one non sequitur after another around here.

Try to think before you post.

Thank you.

[Billy Staples]

GVAC

is there still a show somewhere tomorrow night, 4/4? I was looking for somewhere or something to do If I can get a sitter. Let me know.

OK, back to your rant

For some reason, whenever I point stuff like this out people get extremely defensive and attack me. I have no idea why; I'm merely stating the facts.


Facts? Now thats funny. Who would be stupid enough to believe no one gets lied to or fooled?

Maybe it will be an app on an Iphone!

Oh April Fools, anniversary of ONA scam day...with the People's choice? winning actor...Jay Mohr

How is Jay? Seriously, its been a long time. Ok, its been a long time for anyone...lol


so...are you guys calling a 'jump the shark'


( I do hate that bit, but never used it before)

Hey to all, been awhile, so just a Hi from the land of Shirley Feeny and the gang at 'has been corner'

Hey, If it wasn't for Ron, I wouldn't have had the best 2 years of my life. He opened the door for me and let me see if I cpould add anything. Again, 6/01 to 6/03, I will never ever forget. alot of laughs, a lot of tears, arguments, beers and being the best damn team for awhile and than the 86 Mets thing kind of happened. Some of the people were there, the team wasn't.

Even with all the extras. I wouldn't trade it for an ice cold six pack on a hot summer day

Miss ya and the guys, and mostly the girls.

Billy Staples...barely

[PapaBear]

GVAC

is there still a show somewhere tomorrow night, 4/4? I was looking for somewhere or something to do If I can get a sitter. Let me know.
They're having a show, but it's about ten floors up.:wink:

[ToiletCrusher]

Rants are silly and are so are rebuttals.

[Billy Staples]

There shall be no Bar Nights
Softball Games
Band Nights
Get Togethers
and the like.


That would be horrible...If it was 2002

don't even consider it

[Billy Staples]

Rants are silly and are so are rebuttals.

See, this is the exact shit Gvac is talking about. Derail the theme to knock someone, and be a walking contradiction. Emphasis on the DIC
your thinking 'Your stupid oh, I can one up that, watch what I right!'

You proved what he said right. You are living proof of your own idiocy.

Yes , this is a rebuttal, to show that rebuttals from anti-rebuttalists are...rebutted

How have so many of some of you guys lasted so long, Furtherman, et tu?


how goes everything?

[ToiletCrusher]

See, this is the exact shit Gvac is talking about. Derail the theme to knock someone, and be a walking contradiction. Emphasis on the DIC
your thinking 'Your stupid oh, I can one up that, watch what I right!'

You proved what he said right. You are living proof of your own idiocy.

Yes , this is a rebuttal, to show that rebuttals from anti-rebuttalists are...rebutted

How have so many of some of you guys lasted so long, Furtherman, et tu?


how goes everything?

I proved nothing more than the fact that responding to a post on a message board in an emotional fashion is silly.

I don't want to one up anything. I simply want to make it known that not all things warrant a response.

So who's acting in idiocy now?

[Billy Staples]

I proved nothing more than the fact that responding to a post on a message board in an emotional fashion is silly.

I don't want to one up anything. I simply want to make it known that not all things warrant a response.

So who's acting in idiocy now?


So let me see if i got this right. i commented on the show, the guys and my feelings about the show and you felt it inappropriate and responded.

so what was out of context that you in your personal opinion, totally off topic, found to be out of line in this discussion that you felt a necessary response was a 'witty' comeback

Are you meaning to tell me that none of these posts here have any emotion behind them.

can't evenmake it through one thread


PS: Mikeyboy: Agree, disagree, that doesn't matter, for what it is worth, you are without a doubt the best mod/admin that has ever graced this board. How you find the time, knowing your work and family...kudos to you sir

so mirror mirror on the wall
whose the biggest idiot of them all

try to have one sentence if you reply again that stays on the thread topic. God i miss this place, its like marriage. Everyday you get home from work, she's still there. Might not be the same one, but are all the same!

[NewYorkDragons80]

Because I made a thread that said "Ron is Right" that makes me a hypocrite somehow?

If someone took issue with the title of the thread, it certainly wasn't me. So the cause of disagreement was not declaring "Ron is Right," it was the shoddy justification for your views. Additionally, the content ironically comes in the form of a messageboard post, at least partially negating your message. Your continuing posts in General Discussion are reason enough to find you in error.

In this age of cell phones, Paltalk, and satellite radio it's not what it once was. Technology has rendered this site irrelevant. We might as well be posting on an actual message board in towne square and have the local crier come out and ring the bell every time someone puts something up.

Cell phones have existed since the late 1980s. While the advancement of texting has ushered in an effective way for person to person communication, it's just as easy for me to compare texting or cell phone calls to a morse code telegraph. I'm living in Japan, so what does Paltalk do for me or anyone who works during the day and can't listen to the show live? Clearly the interactivity advantage belongs to messageboards and the permanence of their discussions. If you feel this strongly, then put your money where your mouth is. If Paltalk or twitter is a stronger force on the Ron & Fez show than Ronfez.net in 6 months, then I'll agree to be banned and have my IP address banned. If, however, ronfez.net remains the dominating method of R&F fans to meet through technology, you agree to be banned along with all of your alter egos.

[GreatAmericanZero]

NewYorkDragons80 is Right

[Gvac]

GVAC

is there still a show somewhere tomorrow night, 4/4? I was looking for somewhere or something to do If I can get a sitter. Let me know.

Billy! We'd love to see you!

It's a "Night of the Living Bands" at Ace of Clubs down in the Bowery. There are six bands playing and it starts at 7PM.

Hope you make it out.

[sailor]

Billy! We'd love to see you!

It's a "Night of the Living Bands" at Ace of Clubs down in the Bowery. There are six bands playing and it starts at 7PM.

Hope you make it out.

stay on topic!

[Gvac]

stay on topic!

Ha!

I give up.

It's like trying to have an intelligent conversation with a group of 3rd graders with ADD.

Add in the fact that the majority of them are joyless and humorless and surely you can understand my plight.

RON AND FEZ RULE!!!!

RONFEZ.NET RULES!!!!

EVERYTHING IS GREAT!!!!

That's my new persona.

[drjoek]

Miss old Gvac persona.

[Hottub]

2%

[sailor]

Ha!

I give up.

It's like trying to have an intelligent conversation with a group of 3rd graders with ADD.

Add in the fact that the majority of them are joyless and humorless and surely you can understand my plight.

RON AND FEZ RULE!!!!

RONFEZ.NET RULES!!!!

EVERYTHING IS GREAT!!!!

That's my new persona.

you don't find it mildly ironic to end up discussing your band's outing in a thread you started bemoaning that people talk about things other than the rf show? not even a eensy-weensy bit?

[Gvac]

you don't find it mildly ironic to end up discussing your band's outing in a thread you started bemoaning that people talk about things other than the rf show? not even a eensy-weensy bit?

No.

[NewYorkDragons80]

you don't find it mildly ironic to end up discussing your band's outing in a thread you started bemoaning that people talk about things other than the rf show? not even a eensy-weensy bit?

Or that he's AWOL on tangible arguments? If you don't want to take up the bet, that's fine. but don't ignore the points and pretend it was merely based on cheerleading for the show. If anything, it's supporting this website and the show itself is pretty much removed from the discussion.

[Gvac]

Or that he's AWOL on tangible arguments? If you don't want to take up the bet, that's fine. but don't ignore the points and pretend it was merely based on cheerleading for the show. If anything, it's supporting this website and the show itself is pretty much removed from the discussion.

Another non sequitur?

You're amazing!

[NewYorkDragons80]

Another non sequitur?

You're amazing!

GIVE ME BACK MY JACKET!!!

[A.J.]

Ha!

I give up.

It's like trying to have an intelligent conversation with a group of 3rd graders with ADD.

Add in the fact that the majority of them are joyless and humorless and surely you can understand my plight.

RON AND FEZ RULE!!!!

RONFEZ.NET RULES!!!!

EVERYTHING IS GREAT!!!!

That's my new persona.

So YOU'RE Compliment-Guy!

[mrniceguy]

So YOU'RE Compliment-Guy!

compliment guy is a nice gay from a nice family

[Billy Staples]

The plug was kind of my fault. I hadn't seen much of the old gang and was sorry to hear about the break-up but glad about the reunion, so I asked.

So Ron is right when he always told us to be prepared for anything to happen (staying on topic)

bs

:sad:

[Dvac]

RON AND FEZ RULE!!!!

RONFEZ.NET RULES!!!!

EVERYTHING IS GREAT!!!!

That's my new persona.

LIAR!!!

RON AND FEZ ARE AWFUL AND A SHAME ON THEIR PROFESSION (except for Ron who I worship while scoffing at others who do the same.)

[West.Coast.Skippy]

ron's opinions of rf.net shouldn't have much influence on rf.net. i remember some time ago that ron was complaining about the complaining on rf.net. he said, 'why don't you guys actually try and help the show and come up with bits for us instead of just complaints?' ha ha. as long as there is a ron and fez show, there will be a 'market' for an internet message board dedicated to ron and fez- be it rf.net or something else. there is no external or objective 'outcome' of the site other than discussion, so i'm not sure it's even logically possible for it to have 'run its course' (the finish point being ?)

what is likely is that members', mods' and administrators' interest could wane.

i thought i heard ron say at some point, 'look, we gave our name to this site.... [some kind of quid pro quo for being the official unofficial website]', and if so i can see how he feels he is owed something from it.

and anyhow, after reading mikeyboy's long response, i gather that ron was overstating things a little. i think it could be in the best interest of both board and show, incidentally, if the hosts' interaction and discussion of the board was minimal.

[Gvac]

It's dying a slow death, it seems.

Each and every day this place just fades away a little bit more.

[JerseyRich]

It's dying a slow death, it seems.

Each and every day this place just fades away a little bit more.


Were you not following Snoogans' golf outing?

Riveting.

[EliSnow]

It's dying a slow death, it seems.

Each and every day this place just fades away a little bit more.

Then maybe you should let the dying girl go, and move on.

[Stalker Patti]

Any Board that supports the Show is alright in MY book! We are a Community of R and F listeners FIRST!:thumbup:

[Hottub]

I'm having a blast!

[GreatAmericanZero]

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q217/greatamericanzero/REGAN.jpg

[ScottFromGA]

fact...the Our Kids thread is keeping this site going!


Fact, GET TO FUCKIN PEOPLE!! :clap::clap:

[drjoek]

fact...the Our Kids thread is keeping this site going!


Fact, GET TO FUCKIN PEOPLE!! :clap::clap:



There are MANY people who post here who better NOT reproduce.

[WampusCrandle]

It's dying a slow death, it seems.

Each and every day this place just fades away a little bit more.

Then maybe you should let the dying girl go, and move on.

then where will our hero go?

[Gvac]

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

[CHUCKWAGONCOOK]

In the land of blindfolded people.

The man with only one eye patch is king.

[MisterSmith]

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

And, well, the blind...

[EliSnow]

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Right. So a person who disagrees with you is deluded and cannot see "the truth." They cannot actually have an opinion that this place is good for them.

Regardless, you are like the two jewish women in Woody Allen's joke complainging about how terrible the food is, but then noting that the portions aren't big enough.

If this place is dying, and not what you like, then why are you still here posting as much as you are? Why are you complaining about the place, but trying to get so much of it?

[EliSnow]

In the land of blindfolded people.

The man with only one eye patch is king.

With only one eye patch? Do the blind wear two eye patches?

[Gvac]

Just about a year ago, ronfez.net cracked the top 100,000 for web site traffic. Since then it's fallen in rank to 235,881. The stats also show that over the last three months traffic to this site has dropped 18%.

I guess everything is just fine and I'm just imagining things though, because it's "different."

What an ignorant thing to say.

I'm a realist, using logical thought and analysis. I'm not a pathetic fan boy thinking everything is hunky dory as long as I'm having fun.

Wake up and smell the coffee, people.

Changes have to be made.

Staying the course when you're headed off a cliff isn't admirable, it's stupid.

[Hottub]

Right. So a person who disagrees with you is deluded and cannot see "the truth." They cannot actually have an opinion that this place is good for them.

Regardless, you are like the two jewish women in Woody Allen's joke complainging about how terrible the food is, but then noting that the portions aren't big enough.

If this place is dying, and not what you like, then why are you still here posting as much as you are? Why are you complaining about the place, but trying to get so much of it?

To quote Little Ricky...

"Step up!!

[EliSnow]

Just about a year ago, ronfez.net cracked the top 100,000 for web site traffic. Since then it's fallen in rank to 235,881. The stats also show that over the last three months traffic to this site has dropped 18%.

I guess everything is just fine and I'm just imagining things though, because it's "different."

What an ignorant thing to say.

I'm a realist, using logical thought and analysis. I'm not a pathetic fan boy thinking everything is hunky dory as long as I'm having fun.

Wake up and smell the coffee, people.

Changes have to be made.

Staying the course when you're headed off a cliff isn't admirable, it's stupid.

Headed off a cliff? Or is just a lull? For instance, did we always have that rating in the last nine years? Or has it varied depending upon the show or others things? One data point does not suggest death.

[Gvac]

If this place is dying, and not what you like, then why are you still here posting as much as you are? Why are you complaining about the place, but trying to get so much of it?

I'm a fighter when I believe in something.

I believe that with some minor changes this place could be a whole lot better than it is.

Should I just keep my mouth shut and watch it die?

Sorry. Not my style.

[Dell]

It's hard for me to imagine a time where this board could have been so much more "relevant." I hear Ron and crew refer to it, I hear posters call in, and I see a lot of activity on the board. If not your cup of tea, then why not suggest improvements (constructive criticism). I just don't understand what you gain convincing other people that what they feel about the board is wrong.

[EliSnow]

I'm a fighter when I believe in something.

I believe that with some minor changes this place could be a whole lot better than it is.

Should I just keep my mouth shut and watch it die?

Sorry. Not my style.

There's a difference between fighting for something, and just complaining about how the place is "dying" ad nauseum, and how it's all the administration's fault. As 'tub said, step up and do what you can to change things.

Be positive and make what changes you can, rather than just be negative and complain that everything's wrong.

[Dell]

I'm a fighter when I believe in something.

I believe that with some minor changes this place could be a whole lot better than it is.

Should I just keep my mouth shut and watch it die?

Sorry. Not my style.

I missed the minor changes you suggested. What were they?

[Gvac]

There's a difference between fighting for something, and just complaining about how the place is "dying" ad nauseum, and how it's all the administration's fault. As 'tub said, step up and do what you can to change things.

Be positive and make what changes you can, rather than just be negative and complain that everything's wrong.

When did I say that?

I didn't; but obviously it's mainly on them.

Two of the three administrators rarely log in, let alone post, and there are tons of absentee mods.

Who can effect change more than those who are in control of the place?

When I suggest changes, I'm chastised for being a "complainer" and being "negative."

Go ahead. Stay the course.

What do I know?

[dino_electropolis]

When did I say that?

I didn't; but obviously it's mainly on them.

Two of the three administrators rarely log in, let alone post, and there are tons of absentee mods.

Who can effect change more than those who are in control of the place?

When I suggest changes, I'm chastised for being a "complainer" and being "negative."

Go ahead. Stay the course.

What do I know?

Man, is it campaign season already? Feels like the election was just like a few months ago.

[Gvac]

I missed the minor changes you suggested. What were they?

Obviously you don't read the board much.

I called for term limits for mods, so new blood could be injected into the place from time to time, bringing new ideas and enthusiasm.

That made me an awful human being in the current administrations eyes. They thought I wanted them "fired" or some such nonsense.

I've asked that dead forums be deleted to streamline the place.

I've begged for the focus of a place named ronfez.net be on the show. There are 3 times more forums here about everything else under the sun but the show.

Those are just a few of the suggestions I've made.

I've been chastised and labeled a troublemaker each and every time.

A lot of the super sensitive Nancys here aren't too keen on constructive criticism.

[Dell]

Obviously you don't read the board much.

I called for term limits for mods, so new blood could be injected into the place from time to time, bringing new ideas and enthusiasm.

That made me an awful human being in the current administrations eyes. They thought I wanted them "fired" or some such nonsense.

I've asked that dead forums be deleted to streamline the place.

I've begged for the focus of a place named ronfez.net be on the show. There are 3 times more forums here about everything else under the sun but the show.

Those are just a few of the suggestions I've made.

I've been chastised and labeled a troublemaker each and every time.

A lot of the super sensitive Nancys here aren't too keen on constructive criticism.

Don't let my reading comprehension mislead you on my attentiveness (okay I didn't read each page). These don't appear to be threatening changes. I would like to see a debate on the suggested changes instead on whether or not the board is relevant.

[Gvac]

These don't appear to be threatening changes. I would like to see a debate on the suggested changes instead on whether or not the board is relevant.

So would I.

Instead, I get attacked when I bring them up.

[disneyspy]

shut the hell up fucker

[JerseyRich]

I get pissed off when I see Moderators on this board telling "newbs" to buzz off.

Remind me again why there is a fitness forum on RonFez.net?

[Gvac]

God knows we need a Cypher Films forum too!

And separate forums for Other Radio shows and Internet radio shows.

The Food Forum is really necessary too, huh? Couldn't post that in Off Topic?

Again, they're merely suggestions.

[JerseyRich]

God knows we need a Cypher Films forum too!

And separate forums for Other Radio shows and Internet radio shows.

The Food Forum is really necessary too, huh? Couldn't post that in Off Topic?

Again, they're merely suggestions.


But there are precious "angry" recipes in there.

[EliSnow]

When did I say that?

All the time. The whole mods term limits is based in large part on this theory. Oh and you place the main blame on them below.

I didn't; but obviously it's mainly on them.

Two of the three administrators rarely log in, let alone post, and there are tons of absentee mods.

Who can effect change more than those who are in control of the place?

When I suggest changes, I'm chastised for being a "complainer" and being "negative."

Go ahead. Stay the course.

Mabye some people do, but I think most people who label you a complainer do so because of comments like how the board is dying, listening threads are evil and everyone is blind and are sheep, and how you admire R&F who don't post on messageboards v. the ones who do. More often than not, you post about what's wrong with the board and the people here rather offering positive thoughs about change, and what is good with the board..

Well, except for your board character Compliment_Guy who is sarcastically posts compliments all the time.

[drjoek]

I single handedly reinvigorated the listening threads today.
You're welcome.
What else needs my attention?

[TooLowBrow]

I single handedly reinvigorated the listening threads today.
You're welcome.
What else needs my attention?

gvacs still here

[Gvac]

I called for term limits for mods, so new blood could be injected into the place from time to time, bringing new ideas and enthusiasm.

That made me an awful human being in the current administrations eyes. They thought I wanted them "fired" or some such nonsense.



All the time. The whole mods term limits is based in large part on this theory.



Please read my posts.

Thanks.

[~Katja~]

God knows we need a Cypher Films forum too!

And separate forums for Other Radio shows and Internet radio shows.

The Food Forum is really necessary too, huh? Couldn't post that in Off Topic?

Again, they're merely suggestions.

It's called organization and just like in file cabinets you categorize.
I see your point though, but think that most members use "New Posts" or "iSpy" anyway and only look for a certain forum section when posting a new thread.
How about only R&F related sections being viewable by guests and the other sections only to members, that way a person that only comes to read about the show does not have to get distracted by other forums.

[mikeyboy]

Just about a year ago, ronfez.net cracked the top 100,000 for web site traffic. Since then it's fallen in rank to 235,881. The stats also show that over the last three months traffic to this site has dropped 18%.

I've given up trying to understand the Alexa numbers because they don't appear to correllate to anything. According to Alexa, some of our biggest traffic spikes have been on weekends when the board is dead. Also, our two biggest traffic days ever -- the release of Earl's cheesecake pics, and the accompanying video a few days later -- didn't even register with Alexa. Also, if you believe the rankings, STI was destroying us in traffic the first few months of their existence and then suddenly took an acute nose-dive in traffic. I think traffic on Alexa is meaured only by the people who download the Alexa toolbar (which almost no one does) who surf the site. I can't vouch for the google traffic numbers on the site, but those have been much more steady. I've seen the traffic ranking come up before, and never really said much, because it sounds like I'm making excuses. Anyway, if the argument that the board is going downhill is based on the rankings, just be forewarned that the numbers are suspect.

[Foster]

some of those forums haven't been posted in for months (over a year for the Hideout), cleaning up the forums couldn't hurt

[EliSnow]

Please read my posts.

Thanks.

I did. New blood and mod terms limits means that you think there are mods that shouldn't be mods anymore. When I said you complain about the administration, I mean mods and admins, because often the complaint is directed at mods and admins, not just admins alone.

[Gvac]

I did. New blood and mod terms limits means that you think there are mods that shouldn't be mods anymore. When I said you complain about the administration, I mean mods and admins, because often the complaint is directed at mods and admins, not just admins alone.

Again, it's not because I want to see anyone "fired" or anything like that.

I just believe it's a good idea to get new blood in there from time to time.

It's as simple as that.

I said that in my original post and above.

You only read what you want to, instead of the actual words.

[mikeyboy]

some of those forums haven't been posted in for months (over a year for the Hideout), cleaning up the forums couldn't hurt

That's happening. Jon and I have been talking about the reogranization.

[Gvac]

That's happening. Jon and I have been talking about the reogranization.

WAHOO!!!!

Jon's still alive!!!

I called for streamlining the site a year ago and was told to stop complaining.

Oh well.

[EliSnow]

Again, it's not because I want to see anyone "fired" or anything like that.

I just believe it's a good idea to get new blood in there from time to time.

It's as simple as that.

I said that in my original post and above.

You only read what you want to, instead of the actual words.

I read your words and understand their implications. New blood is only necessary if the old blood isn't doing their jobs. Also, you can have new blood without getting rid of old blood. But your proposal called for new mods and getting rid of old ones.

Or you just want "new people" for the sake of having new people?

Unfortunately, I have to go spend some bed time with the wife. Feel free to debate without me.

[mikeyboy]

WAHOO!!!!

Jon's still alive!!!

I called for streamlining the site a year ago and was told to stop complaining.

Oh well.

We did some streamlining then. These are new changes based on things like the Hideout being no more and Cypher Films no longer doing video for the show.

[Gvac]

I read your words and understand their implications. New blood is only necessary if the old blood isn't doing their jobs. Also, you can have new blood without getting rid of old blood. But your proposal called for new mods and getting rid of old ones.

Or you just want "new people" for the sake of having new people?

Wow.

Talk about bias.

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I hope you don't practice law that way.

I believe in term limits for everything, from a local town mayor to a senator to the President of the United States.

I said that in my original thread as well.

Change is good.

Stagnancy is not.

Even if someone served admirably and spectacularly, I still like seeing new blood injected into things.

Sorry if that offends you. It's a belief of mine.

[Gvac]

CLICK HERE (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=74770) to see my original "Term Limits For Mods" thread.

Then read through it to see how I was attacked for making a suggestion.

[Foster]

I read your words and understand their implications. New blood is only necessary if the old blood isn't doing their jobs. Also, you can have new blood without getting rid of old blood. But your proposal called for new mods and getting rid of old ones.

Or you just want "new people" for the sake of having new people?

as with the non activity with some forums, some mods haven't logged in for quite some time,
shouldn't that be kept in consideration regarding Gvac's request?

[TooLowBrow]

Wow.

Talk about bias.

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I hope you don't practice law that way.

I believe in term limits for everything, from a local town mayor to a senator to the President of the United States.



supreme court justice?

[Gvac]

supreme court justice?

Yup.

Lifetime appointments are insane.

[Don Stugots]

well, i guess if you combine the online and other buddays it would help clean up that section but as a user, you could use click the tab and close that section. i dont see what the big deal is really.

[TooLowBrow]

Yup.

Lifetime appointments are insane.

pope?

[disneyspy]

pope?

supreme court justice

[TooLowBrow]

Wow.

Talk about bias.

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I hope you don't practice law that way.

I believe in term limits for everything, from a local town mayor to a senator to the President of the United States.


justjon?

[GreatAmericanZero]

what about the fact that...its just a moderator on a messageboard.

like, so new blood might merge similar threads together faster or move topics to more appropriate forums more carefully... i don't see the big deal

everything with messageboards is all about perspective. People who have been here 7 years are always going to look back at "the good ol' days" and never be satisfied. Meanwhile, there are probably a ton of people right now that are going to look back at this time and say "this was when the board was good...why isn't it like that anymore in the year 2012?"

at the end of the day, you either enjoy posting on a messageboard or you don't...but no reason to bum everyone else out whose trying to have a good time

[drjoek]

Unfortunately, I have to go spend some bed time with the wife.]

Troubles at home?
:lol:

[TooLowBrow]

what about the fact that...its just a moderator on a messageboard.

like, so new blood might merge similar threads together faster or move topics to more appropriate forums more carefully... i don't see the big deal

everything with messageboards is all about perspective. People who have been here 7 years are always going to look back at "the good ol' days" and never be satisfied. Meanwhile, there are probably a ton of people right now that are going to look back at this time and say "this was when the board was good...why isn't it like that anymore in the year 2012?"

at the end of the day, you either enjoy posting on a messageboard or you don't...but no reason to bum everyone else out whose trying to have a good time

new blood might just spend all their time on twitter

[mikeyboy]

CLICK HERE (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=74770) to see my original "Term Limits For Mods" thread.

Then read through it to see how I was attacked for making a suggestion.

I have attempted to be as open and respectful as possible to your suggestions. On the other side of the coin, I'm not going to make changes just because you want me to.

[TooLowBrow]

I have attempted to be as open and respectful as possible to your suggestions. On the other side of the coin, I'm not going to make changes just because you want me to.

why is the page white with black font rather than black with yellow font?

black and yellow are the r+f colors!

[drjoek]

If you want to unsticky the Ask drjoek thread feel free, if that will help.

[disneyspy]

If you want to unsticky the Ask drjoek thread feel free, if that will help.

but thats the stickiest thread here!

[mikeyboy]

but thats the stickiest thread here!

Cummiest

[Gvac]

I have attempted to be as open and respectful as possible to your suggestions. On the other side of the coin, I'm not going to make changes just because you want me to.

I never said you should.

I just posted a link to a well thought out thread that made a good suggestion.

Some other posters even agreed.

Mostly I was attacked, though.

I wanted Eli to reread it without his preconceived biases to see that it wasn't a negative post in any way.

[Dell]

I thought ComplimentGuy was one of Lenny's characters. Is there a link to the character lexicon?

[EliSnow]

Wow.

Talk about bias.

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I hope you don't practice law that way.

I believe in term limits for everything, from a local town mayor to a senator to the President of the United States.

I said that in my original thread as well.

Change is good.

Stagnancy is not.

Even if someone served admirably and spectacularly, I still like seeing new blood injected into things.

Sorry if that offends you. It's a belief of mine.


The difference is that this is not a government. It's a business with people that own the site. Do you demand term limits for managers or employees at your favorite bar?

[Gvac]

The difference is that this is not a government. It's a business with people that own the site. Do you demand term limits for managers or employees at your favorite bar?

That was quick!

And I didn't DEMAND anything.

Go back and click on the link and read my original thread.

[EliSnow]

That was quick!

And I didn't DEMAND anything.

Go back and click on the link and read my original thread.


Fine. Replace demand with suggest in my sentence.

[Gvac]

Here is my original post in the Term Limits For Mods thread -

While I think the majority of the moderators here at RonFez.net do a wonderful job, it seems a bit unfair that they, like the Supreme Court, enjoy appointment for life status. It creates the very real possibility that this site becomes more about their personal opinions and beliefs and not those of the fans, as they can edit and ban as they choose.

A one year modship seems fair, and then every January we can be greeted with an entirely new "staff." I think it would be OK for a member to serve as a moderator more than once, but just not consecutive terms. It would also be cool to give some long time members and top contributors to this site a chance at watching over the place.

I think the decision of which posters will be granted moderator status should lie solely with the Admins, as an election would clog the message board with ridiculous polls and infighting.

Agree?

Disagree?

(P.S. - I believe in term limits for EVERYTHING, from message board moderators to local mayors to congressman and senators.)


See?

I stated an OPINION.

I invited rational debate.

I also thought it would be cool to reward other long time members.

No attacks. No negativity.

Stop reading into my posts.

Look at the words and stop pretending you "know" my "ulterior motives."

Some of you people are paranoid.

[Knowledged_one]

The difference is that this is not a government. It's a business with people that own the site. Do you demand term limits for managers or employees at your favorite bar?

no you dont but if they dont show up they get fired

[mikeyboy]

no you dont but if they dont show up they get fired

And in this case, even if you do show up, you still don't get paid.

[Dell]

And in this case, even if you do show up, you still don't get paid.

volunteers... that's a critical piece of background to consider... are there enough people that would volunteer to be a mod that a one-year term limit would be feasible?

[dino_electropolis]

Yup.

Lifetime appointments are insane.

Well, lifetime appointments are necessary in the context of the Supreme Court based on the idea that it removes it from the sphere of elections, which can lead some people (McCain) to do terribly stupid things (Palin) for the sake of a vote, and well, job security.


Not sayin its applicable to the discourse re mods and what not, but thats why lifetime appointments are important for the Court.

[Serpico1103]

Well, lifetime appointments are necessary in the context of the Supreme Court based on the idea that it removes it from the sphere of elections, which can lead some people (McCain) to do terribly stupid things (Palin) for the sake of a vote, and well, job security.
Not sayin its applicable to the discourse re mods and what not, but thats why lifetime appointments are important for the Court.

The SC appointments need not be for life to achieve the desired result. A 30 year term would suffice. It would also alleviate the problem of ancient justices who refuse to step down now that modern medicine keeps people alive for much longer than the founding fathers would have believed.
Term limits have their place. On a private message board, eh. Maybe we should have a term limit for show hosts. Let ESD and Pepper host, while Ron & Fez run the board and answer phones.

[Drunky McBetidont]

Well, lifetime appointments are necessary in the context of the Supreme Court based on the idea that it removes it from the sphere of elections, which can lead some people (McCain) to do terribly stupid things (Palin) for the sake of a vote, and well, job security.


Not sayin its applicable to the discourse re mods and what not, but thats why lifetime appointments are important for the Court.

retire the geriatric supreme court. we should put a really super-smart computer in charge of the legal system instead. based on all the variables (evidence) it would calculate a totally logical decision, without bias or emotion, for each case in a few seconds (if that long). think of all the court costs you would save.

[dino_electropolis]

The SC appointments need not be for life to achieve the desired result. A 30 year term would suffice. It would also alleviate the problem of ancient justices who refuse to step down now that modern medicine keeps people alive for much longer than the founding fathers would have believed.
Term limits have their place. On a private message board, eh. Maybe we should have a term limit for show hosts. Let ESD and Pepper host, while Ron & Fez run the board and answer phones.

Well.....why not 35? 25? 12? 6?, etc......

Ancient Justices may be just that, but regardless of what most think, they are pretty brilliant people, not only because they achieved that position (i know, its a presidential appointment) but because they BECOME that position, and learn how the great minds of the people before them intrepreted the law through the course of their tenure. Jokes and biases aside, they aint dumb people, and they appreciate the gravity of their responsibility.

[dino_electropolis]

retire the geriatric supreme court. we should put a really super-smart computer in charge of the legal system instead. based on all the variables (evidence) it would calculate a totally logical decision, without bias or emotion, for each case in a few seconds (if that long). think of all the court costs you would save.

Read this.....it will explain everything.

http://a0.vox.com/6a0109815c3509000d0109811cf490000c-500pi

[Gvac]

I'm more than willing to compromise when it comes to the Supreme Court.

How about forced retirement at age 72 for those senile old coots?

[conman823]

Read this.....it will explain everything.

http://a0.vox.com/6a0109815c3509000d0109811cf490000c-500pi

It fuckin makes more sense then the life we're living now.

[dino_electropolis]

It fuckin makes more sense then the life we're living now.

Douglas Adams was a prophet.

[Rockpile]

"Ron is right"

This thread should have been locked after the subject.

[WampusCrandle]

"Ron is right"

This thread should have been locked after the subject.

oh, you lil' kiss ass :happy:

[PapaBear]

Read this.....it will explain everything.

http://a0.vox.com/6a0109815c3509000d0109811cf490000c-500pi

I bought that particular volume as a Christmas present for my son in 2007. It's a nice one!

[jauble]

I'm more than willing to compromise when it comes to the Supreme Court.

How about forced retirement at age 72 for those senile old coots?

Well I guess you'll never be a justice then.

[Space Edge]

We did some streamlining then. These are new changes based on things like the Hideout being no more and Cypher Films no longer doing video for the show.

some of those forums haven't been posted in for months (over a year for the Hideout), cleaning up the forums couldn't hurt

Don't take away the Hideout Forum it's the only reason I joined this site:furious: On the topic of Ron and Fez show discussions if you compare the dozen or so spin of boards that revolve around O&A and R&F I would have to say this site is more active when it comes to show discussion then any of those spin off boards.

[Friday]

what about the fact that...its just a moderator on a messageboard.

like, so new blood might merge similar threads together faster or move topics to more appropriate forums more carefully... i don't see the big deal

everything with messageboards is all about perspective. People who have been here 7 years are always going to look back at "the good ol' days" and never be satisfied. Meanwhile, there are probably a ton of people right now that are going to look back at this time and say "this was when the board was good...why isn't it like that anymore in the year 2012?"

at the end of the day, you either enjoy posting on a messageboard or you don't...but no reason to bum everyone else out whose trying to have a good time

holy shit! i agree with gaz!

[ToiletCrusher]

I'm more than willing to compromise when it comes to the Supreme Court.

How about forced retirement at age 72 for those senile old coots?


Why stop there? There is an awful lot of research that supports the idea that logic and cognition begin to see as much as a 5% decrease every 6 years after the age of 50.

Given the math, these people are working at only 85% at age 68. Kick them out then.

[EliSnow]

Here is my original post in the Term Limits For Mods thread -




See?

I stated an OPINION.

I invited rational debate.

I also thought it would be cool to reward other long time members.

No attacks. No negativity.

Stop reading into my posts.

Look at the words and stop pretending you "know" my "ulterior motives."

Some of you people are paranoid.

Gvac,

I acknowledge that your original post in the term limits thread invited debate as to the issue, and didn't say that we needed term limits because the old blood was ruining the board. And yes, several later times, you note that your thread is not an attack on the mods and admins.

But on the first page of that very thread, you said.

Thanks buddy.

I thought it was a well thought out, good idea, but as usual it will deteriorate into a thread of nonsense and attacks against me.
Oh well, I guess that's RonFez.net for ya.

Under the current leadership anyway.

So in this post, you lay the blame about a negative aspect of the board on the "current leadership." And stating this point in a thread about term limits implies that a new leadership would change this negative aspect.

And I know I can find other examples like that in other threads.

I will acknowledge fully that you have in a number of posts offered, in a rational way, some suggestions as to how you would "improve" the board. But interspersed with those posts are others, like the one above and the one last night, where you are really negative and just complaining. Or you label the R&F fans or people here as sheep.

And I posit to you that this is the reason that people call you trouble-maker, complainer, etc. They forget the rational Gvac, and just remember the Gvac who criticized them, the listening threads, the bomb shelters, or just posts that this board is dying.

EDIT: Oh, and I'm not saying that you should be Compliment_Guy and never say a bad word, and only say good stuff, blah, blah blah. But how about every now and then post something positive about the site or the people here (other than compliments to those people who you think "get it.").

[jimmyolsenblues]

i think ronfez.net does not have the heat it did awhile ago...but i still check it everyday for information about the show...
ron bennington is the best thing on radio...and he deserves a message board...
ronfez.net rules....

and noone....NOONE is better than mikeyboy...except ron bennington but that goes without saying or typing...

[EliSnow]

Why stop there? There is an awful lot of research that supports the idea that logic and cognition begin to see as much as a 5% decrease every 6 years after the age of 50.

Given the math, these people are working at only 85% at age 68. Kick them out then.

I can tell you that a number of older judges, including the ones on the bench, still have the wisdom and insight to do their job.

I was watching a hearing yesterday in front of a federal judge that was in his 70's and he was smarter than many of the younger lawyers in the courtroom.

[JustJon]

Just about a year ago, ronfez.net cracked the top 100,000 for web site traffic. Since then it's fallen in rank to 235,881. The stats also show that over the last three months traffic to this site has dropped 18%.


Any stats can be interpreted to back up any point, if spun right. Our traffic is about where it was last year, but new websites have popped up since then that have gained traffic to surpass us in ranking. Alexa isn't an accurate sign of traffic, but neither is compete.com or any other traffic websites that don't have direct access to the site logs. And our traffic patterns tend to match other sites like ours over long term.

To be fair, you also complained a year ago, when we "cracked the top 100,000." Let's not forget your self-imposed vacation from the site, where you were still logging in under another character name.

If you're not happy with this site's management, you are more than welcome to start your own. Just go to GoDaddy.com and register a domain name.

why is the page white with black font rather than black with yellow font?

black and yellow are the r+f colors!

Because I don't want to burn out my retinas trying to read the site.

[Don Stugots]

Its amazing to me that with all the shit that is going on people's lives like being out of work and losing their home, other people will complain about how a message board that they use for free is run. get over it already.

[Lady Resin]

Its amazing to me that with all the shit that is going on people's lives like being out of work and losing their home, other people will complain about how a message board that they use for free is run. get over it already.

x2

Life at this point stinks.

[Gvac]

I like toiletcrusher.

He gets it.

[Serpico1103]

Well.....why not 35? 25? 12? 6?, etc......

Ancient Justices may be just that, but regardless of what most think, they are pretty brilliant people, not only because they achieved that position (i know, its a presidential appointment) but because they BECOME that position, and learn how the great minds of the people before them intrepreted the law through the course of their tenure. Jokes and biases aside, they aint dumb people, and they appreciate the gravity of their responsibility.

The idea was to prevent the entire government from being caught up in the moment, to add stability. So, 6 years is probably too short, but 20 years would probably be long enough. A judge appointed in 1990 would still be sitting on the bench. The world has changed dramatically in those 19 years.
I think the benefits of having someone serve for life hits a point of diminishing return, and than starts to detract from the original purpose. You want a judge who is not caught up in the moment, but you don't want a judge so detached that he can't understand the issues of modern society.

[EliSnow]

The idea was to prevent the entire government from being caught up in the moment, to add stability. So, 6 years is probably too short, but 20 years would probably be long enough. A judge appointed in 1990 would still be sitting on the bench. The world has changed dramatically in those 19 years.
I think the benefits of having someone serve for life hits a point of diminishing return, and than starts to detract from the original purpose. You want a judge who is not caught up in the moment, but you don't want a judge so detached that he can't understand the issues of modern society.

And I say to you that I've seen such judges on the federal level in their 60's and 70's who completely understand modern legal issues. I was listening to one yesterday, and have read legal opinions from others.

[Serpico1103]

And I say to you that I've seen such judges on the federal level in their 60's and 70's who completely understand modern legal issues. I was listening to one yesterday, and have read legal opinions from others.

I don't doubt that there are great justices in their 80's. My point is that the necessity for life terms is no longer as relevant as it was 200 years ago.

[Gvac]

Uhmm...we've got a political forum, boys.

This thread is about how RonFez.net is losing its relevancy and becoming a giant scrap heap.

I never thought I'd see the day when Wackbag was more of a companion to the Ron and Fez show than RonFez.net.

I hope you're all happy.

[Serpico1103]

Uhmm...we've got a political forum, boys.
This thread is about how RonFez.net is losing its relevancy and becoming a giant scrap heap.
I never thought I'd see the day when Wackbag was more of a companion to the Ron and Fez show than RonFez.net.
I hope you're all happy.

Sorry.
Ron is right.

[Gvac]

Sorry.
Ron is right.

Sycophant!

Uh..I mean...I agree!

[mikeyboy]

Uhmm...we've got a political forum, boys.

This thread is about how RonFez.net is losing its relevancy and becoming a giant scrap heap.

I never thought I'd see the day when Wackbag was more of a companion to the Ron and Fez show than RonFez.net.

I hope you're all happy.

I'm going to kick myself for taking the bait, but...

Re-read your post. Do you legitimately wonder why some people label you a complainer? Iguess that's rhetorical because I really don't believe that you do. I really think these little diatribes are all about getting a rise out of people and/or getting people to argue with you.

[JerseyRich]

I'm going to kick myself for taking the bait, but...

Re-read your post. Do you legitimately wonder why some people label you a complainer? Iguess that's rhetorical because I really don't believe that you do. I really think these little diatribes are all about getting a rise out of people and/or getting people to argue with you.


I think you just had a breakthrough.

[Gvac]

I think you just had a breakthrough.

Shhh....next he'll discover that Andre the Giant and Jan Brady were never in studio either!

[Hottub]

It's get the bit guy.

[WampusCrandle]

I hope you're all happy.

i've never been happy before, why start now?

[MisterSmith]

http://www.addemoticons.com/emoticon/crazy/AddEmoticons0051.gif

[JustJon]

Its amazing to me that with all the shit that is going on people's lives like being out of work and losing their home, other people will complain about how a message board that they use for free is run. get over it already.

Your ideas intrigue me. I'd like to sign up for your newsletter.

[Gvac]

Hey Jon! :bye:

What happened...Twitter went down? :ohmy: :tongue:

See if you can do anything to clean this place up.

Going to hell in a hand basket, if you ask me.

[WampusCrandle]

oh snap, Gvac just called out JustJon!


let's see what happens next.

[underdog]

oh snap, Gvac just called out JustJon!


let's see what happens next.

The sun will set and then rise tomorrow morning.

[JustJon]

Hey Jon! :bye:

What happened...Twitter went down? :ohmy: :tongue:

See if you can do anything to clean this place up.

Going to hell in a hand basket, if you ask me.

I think Gvac is going blind in his old age too. That wasn't my first post in this thread.

[WampusCrandle]

The sun will set and then rise tomorrow morning.

well, i keep hoping that Gvac will over power a mod so swiftly that a suicidal thought will pop up in their head .... and a new mod will rise in their place.

<---------- that guy

[Gvac]

well, i keep hoping that Gvac will over power a mod so swiftly that a suicidal thought will pop up in their head .... and a new mod will rise in their place.

<---------- that guy

You and me both, brother.

Until then I'll keep fighting the good fight.

[mikeyboy]

Going to hell in a hand basket, if you ask me.

I'm going to have to go back and check, but I don't think we asked.

[Gvac]

I'm going to have to go back and check, but I don't think we asked.

Damn it!

I bet Wampus 20 bucks that Jon would say that!

You suck, mikey.

Then again, it's like you always tell me - You're the smart one. Jon is useless.

I should have listened.

[JustJon]

I just checked. We're all out of handbaskets.

[Serpico1103]

Damn it!
I bet Wampus 20 bucks that Jon would say that!
You suck, mikey.
Then again, it's like you always tell me - You're the smart one. Jon is useless.
I should have listened.

Might be tough to hear Mikeyboy's wisdom, over your constant tirade of complaints.

[WampusCrandle]

You're the smart one. Jon is useless.

I should have listened

wow, i think a man crush is starting, Gvac!

[conman823]

Fuckin battles gettin epic!!

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1208/818136720_00d858ea17.jpg?v=0

[JBLouisville]

World's Greatest Shit Stirrer is the avatar GVAC has under his name.

Most forum posters should be known only to the show by their board handle and a quick comment on the phone, and that is it.

I have lurked and been a member here long enough to see that, most of the issues on this board is personal and takes away from members who come here to read about the Ron and Fez show. And, those issues come from people that think they are bigger than the show. Period.

GVAC said in his "Term Limits" suggestion that "Leadership" should have term limits in place and older board members be given special consideration when decisions for leadership are to be made. In my opinion, that tells me everything I need to know about his motives.

I may be wrong, but it is my understanding that this is Mikeyboys forum. It is his rules and his to do as he pleases. Term Limits for Forum administration? That makes zero sense on a free site. This site contributes to the Ron and Fez show. Hell, Fez only started posting here in the last month or two. Did he ever post here before?

I dont see the need to remove forums. If you don't have an interest in said forum, don't enter it.

I love Ron and Fez. Dave is the same age as me, and I am so thrilled that his life has turned into a dream. Thanks to places like this.

There is nothing wrong here, except for certain "old school" individual posters who make zero sense. Those are the ones who's time has "come and gone".

[Gvac]

I may be wrong

That's the only thing you said that made sense.

[Dell]

That's the only thing you said that made sense.

Interpretation: Your opinion is different than mine. :laugh: