Gunman at Immigration Center in Binghamton

[HBox]

4 shot, hostages taken in Binghamton, N.Y. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30030756/)

It's still ongoing.

[boosterp]

Wow, even though this is a tragedy I want to know the motive.

[Syd]

$10 says glenn beck inspired violence

[ToiletCrusher]

sad.

[booster11373]

$10 says glenn beck inspired violence

That was my first instint as well but it might also turn out to a disgruntled former worker or the ex-boyfreind/husband of a current female worker

[ChrisTheCop]

I hope the cops aren't mean to this guy or prevent him from making an appointment.

[Furtherman]

I hope the cops aren't mean to this guy or prevent him from making an appointment.

C'mon Chris. As someone who respects the police, it hurts to see one cater to any hack haters.

[topless_mike]

scary yo.
i mean, i have no reason to be near any immigration office, but still.

[mikeyboy]

I hope the cops aren't mean to this guy or prevent him from making an appointment.

Yeah, that's comparable. :thumbdown:

[ChrisTheCop]

Yeah, that's comparable. :thumbdown:

Actually, it is. All were cops just doing their jobs.
This job is just more acceptable to the public because it's exciting.

And no one in this thread has yet to call the shooter an asshole or a douche.

[mikeyboy]

Actually, it is. All were cops just doing their jobs.
This job is just more acceptable to the public because it's exciting.

Ugh. I'm not taking the bait.

[Freitag]

Ugh. I'm not taking the bait.

Can I, please? I'm bored at work today.

[ChrisTheCop]

Can I, please? I'm bored at work today.

It's there for all.

[TheMojoPin]

And no one in this thread has yet to call the shooter an asshole or a douche.

Isn't that redundant?

[MacVittie]

Poor Binghamton. Other than the university making the NCAA tournament this year, they never really have a lot going for them. This is the most action they've seen in a while, and it's not the good kind. I hope this ends without any further fatalities.

[ChrisTheCop]

Poor Binghamton. Other than the university making the NCAA tournament this year, they never really have a lot going for them. This is the most action they've seen in a while, and it's not the good kind. I hope this ends without any further fatalities.

Ditto. I spent some time in Broome County as a teenager, and going back there is always depressing. Since IBM left Endicott, everything in the area fell apart.

[MacVittie]

The local WBNG news is reporting that the gunman is dead.

[Freitag]

The local WBNG news is reporting that the gunman is dead.

Well, I'm glad he had the chance to do it himself before the police did, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY DO

[ChrisTheCop]

The local WBNG news is reporting that the gunman is dead.

Reported death toll: 13, including the shooter. Terrible news.

[ChrisTheCop]

Well, I'm glad he had the chance to do it himself before the police did, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY DO

Please cite your sources... I cant find who ended this.

There will be a news conference at 4pm.

[HBox]

I'm so sad that the poor misguided and misunderstood shooter was driven to kill himself by the ruthless, fascist cops. I think we can all agree that the cops were completely at blame here. I hope they all lose their jobs and go to jail for this tragedy.

[Freitag]

I'm so sad that the poor misguided and misunderstood shooter was driven to kill himself by the ruthless, fascist cops. I think we can all agree that the cops were completely at blame here. I hope they all lose their jobs and go to jail for this tragedy.

Cops who kill suspects shooting at them should be ashamed. They have a right to a trial!

[ChrisTheCop]

Neither of you will cite your sources.

Sounds familiar. Just going on assumptions again, eh?

[ChrisTheCop]

Well, I'm glad he had the chance to do it himself before the police did, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY DO

Cops who kill suspects shooting at them should be ashamed. They have a right to a trial!

Wait. Which is it?

[ChrisTheCop]

Ugh. I'm not taking the bait.

Can I, please? I'm bored at work today.

Well, I'm glad he had the chance to do it himself before the police did, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY DO

Cops who kill suspects shooting at them should be ashamed. They have a right to a trial!

For someone who was chomping at the bit, your efforts have fallen pretty flat.

Try again.

[Freitag]

OK, let me ask you this.

You're still defending this Dallas cop... can you bring yourself to defend Justin Volpe? Because unchecked, that cop's actions would have taken him down that road.

[ChrisTheCop]

Latest update is an anonymous federal employee says the shooter was "found dead" in the building..so yeah, it's looking like suicide... but again News conference at 4.

[TheMojoPin]

Ugh, what a mess.

[foodcourtdruide]

What a terrible story. How sad.

[ChrisTheCop]

OK, let me ask you this.

You're still defending this Dallas cop... can you bring yourself to defend Justin Volpe? Because unchecked, that cop's actions would have taken him down that road.

In an effort to keep the dignity of this thread, I will answer all questions regarding the Dallas cop HERE. (http://ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=79114)

[MacVittie]

Reports now are 12 dead as well as the gunman from a self-inflicted wound.

[DarkHippie]

this is like the first thing that has happened in Binghamton, ever

[BeerBandit]

Anyone know what type of weapon he used and whether it was legal or not?

[topless_mike]

was the gunman legal?
only asking cause it was at an immigration office

[CofyCrakCocaine]

I think the cops are douches in this thread simply because they never seem to be able to shoot these maniacs. Russian and Israeli police forces rule. All the red tape binding cop's hands in this country disgusts me.

(yes Chris, I'm not really saying cops are douches and am just being tongue-in-cheek)

[boosterp]

Well, as a supporter of the cops and from what I read no cop was injured. It sucks that the douche assailant was able to inflict so much harm. One can only wish he is burning in the hell of his belief or will be reincarnated as a cockroach.

[booster11373]

Shooter not a white guy, I would have lost money on that one

[MacVittie]

Shooter not a white guy, I would have lost money on that one

Why would a white person even know where their local immigration center is?

[topless_mike]

Why would a white person even know where their local immigration center is?

because europeans are a different shade than americans?

:wallbash:

[booster11373]

Why would a white person even know where their local immigration center is?

angry white man sick of these immigrants coming and taking all the good food industry and housekeeping jobs

[MacVittie]

angry white man sick of these immigrants coming and taking all the good food industry and housekeeping jobs

in Binghamton?

[booster11373]

in Binghamton?

There is apparently enought to need some kind of center, so yeah

[MacVittie]

There is apparently enought to need some kind of center, so yeah

I'm just not sure that the typical immigrant to Binghamton is the "job-taking" type. I have it feeling its more people studying at the university who are looking to extend their stays in this country. In any event, it's appearing this wasn't an anti-immigration crime.

[PD]

I'm just not sure that the typical immigrant to Binghamton is the "job-taking" type. I have it feeling its more people studying at the university who are looking to extend their stays in this country. In any event, it's appearing this wasn't an anti-immigration crime.
I dont have a clue what this guy's issues are. guy was 42.
I am a bit surprised that there is this immigration center there; southern tier doesn't seem likely place
s many as 13 people were killed when a gunman opened fire in a bloody rampage in an immigration center in Binghamton, New York, according to Gov. David Paterson. The gunman was among the dead in a shooting spree that according to some accounts wounded 26 others.
Shooting Rampage in Binghamton

Several people were reported dead Friday when at least one gunman opened fire inside an immigrant services center in Binghamton, New York.

"I speak for all of New York when I offer my prayers for the victims and families of this tragedy," Gov. Paterson said hours after the gunman shot several people and took dozens hostage.
The shooter was identified as Jiverly Voong, 42, who was found dead, but it remains unclear if he took his own life or if police officers killed him.
Sens. Charles Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand released a joint statement Friday afternoon, saying, "This is a terrible tragedy and our hearts and prayers go out to the victims and their families."
Before his murderous rampage at about 10:30 a.m., Voong pulled a car up to the back door of the facility to block a key escape route. Investigators don't know what prompted the rampage.
Five people with gunshot wounds were being treated at Wilson Medical Center in Johnson City, according to hospital spokeswoman Christina Boyd. The wounded ranged in age from 20 to their mid-50s, and their conditions ranged from stable to critical, she said.
Linda Miller, a spokeswoman at Our Lady of Lourdes Hospital in Binghamton, confirmed that a student from Binghamton University was being treated at the emergency room.
A police dispatcher who spoke to The Associated Press wouldn't confirm a number of people shot or injured.
Author Mary Pat Hyland, who once taught a cooking class at the civic center, used her Twitter account to update her readers on what she was seeing and hearing in Binghamton. And at about 2:30 p.m., she offered her assessment on MSNBC.
"This will be the biggest news story ever to come out of this area," she said.
The area is in a stretch on the west side of the Chenango River in the city of about 45,000 near the Pennsylvania border. Emergency vehicles lined the streets in the neighborhood, a mix of homes and small businesses.
The American Civic Association is an organization that helps immigrants in the Binghamton area with naturalization applications, according to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.
The association describes itself as helping immigrants and refugees with counseling, resettlement, citizenship, family reunification and translators.

[TooLowBrow]

i like that biden came out and said that this is a federal situation and he promised federal aid, including helicopters (sure, why not?). and that the state has been giving out food and water to the safe immigrants

now people died, but does binghamton need federal aid for this situation?

and did the immigrants need food and water?

i think the politicians just like to make people feel better buy spending a lot on pointless things

[ChrisTheCop]

The gunman entered the building, and shot 2 receptionists.
One died. The other PLAYED DEAD until she could crawl to a phone and call 911.

Amazing. To suddenly be shot unexpectedly and not just react to the pain or the fear that youll die, but to think about how to help others. How to end this.

There will be other heroes involved, I'm sure, as there seem to be in many shootings,
but this is the first one I've read today. Her behavior saved lives. They havent released her name as far as I know.

[Furtherman]

this is like the first thing that has happened in Binghamton, ever

The late, great band YOLK came out of Binghamton.



But this is a terrible story. It looks like this guy lost his job - maybe outsources - and decided to take it out on people just trying to become citizens. Asshole.

[foodcourtdruide]

I loathe our news media. I don't understand why they need to show pictures of grieving people on the news. Are we so fucking stupid that we cannot comprehend that this is an awful situation and that people were greatly affected? Do we have to pervert the immensely sad moment someone may have in learning that a loved one was murdered in an act of senseless violence by plastering their fucking picture every where? It makes me sick. Really makes my stomach turn.

[boosterp]

The gunman entered the building, and shot 2 receptionists.
One died. The other PLAYED DEAD until she could crawl to a phone and call 911.

Amazing. To suddenly be shot unexpectedly and not just react to the pain or the fear that youll die, but to think about how to help others. How to end this.

There will be other heroes involved, I'm sure, as there seem to be in many shootings,
but this is the first one I've read today. Her behavior saved lives. They havent released her name as far as I know.

Just wow. As a soldier and now as me I wonder if I could display the same fortitude.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The Taliban claim responsibility???


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/04/04/2009-04-04_pakistani_taliban_leader_claims_responsi.html

[TheMojoPin]

The Taliban claim responsibility???


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/04/04/2009-04-04_pakistani_taliban_leader_claims_responsi.html

Just because they can.

They didn't have anything to do with this.

[ChrisTheCop]

Just because they can.

They didn't have anything to do with this.

I dunno...

If it werent for the taliban, bush wouldnt have gone to war, if we didnt go to war, republicans wouldve had a better chance at staying in power, therefore obama wouldnt be president, and this guy wouldnt be upset at obama's policy. BAM!
http://baconhaikus.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/kevin_bacon.jpg

edit: hmmm...it wasnt this guy that allegedly had a problem with obama...but hey--next stop, taliban claim responsibilty for Pittsburgh.

[MacVittie]

I wonder if the media's not putting this guys picture everywhere is intentional or if they just don't have a good picture of him. They had pictures of Cho Seung-Hui all over the place after the VA Tech shooting. Then again, the young kids these days tend to have a lot of accessible photos of themselves on the internet.

[IamPixie]

I don't understand how he got in with a gun. The security is super tight at immigration centers. Metal dectors and those x ray conveyour thingies.

[MacVittie]

I don't understand how he got in with a gun. The security is super tight at immigration centers. Metal dectors and those x ray conveyour thingies.

It wasn't an immigration center, it was an American Civic Association building, which I don't think is a government building.

[ChrisTheCop]

The gunman entered the building, and shot 2 receptionists.
One died. The other PLAYED DEAD until she could crawl to a phone and call 911.

Amazing. To suddenly be shot unexpectedly and not just react to the pain or the fear that youll die, but to think about how to help others. How to end this.

There will be other heroes involved, I'm sure, as there seem to be in many shootings,
but this is the first one I've read today. Her behavior saved lives. They havent released her name as far as I know.

Just wow. As a soldier and now as me I wonder if I could display the same fortitude.

I'm with you on that thought, boosterp.

I just read an article where they released her name: 61-year-old Shirley DeLucia.

[TooLowBrow]

I'm with you on that thought, boosterp.

I just read an article where they released her name: 61-year-old Shirley DeLucia.

imagine. being an immigrant. yet somehow, being a hero too.

the times they are a changin'

[ChrisTheCop]

imagine. being an immigrant. yet somehow, being a hero too.

the times they are a changin'

Well, I didnt say she was an immigrant. But anything's possible I suppose.

[sr71blackbird]

Here is a picture of the gunman. Something went wong (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/04/05/2009-04-05_binghamton_gunman_had_body_armor_ammo_bu.html)


http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090404/capt.0be90e3cfd904c798e7a5a6f3eee9319.binghamton_s hootings_nypm102.jpg?x=276&y=345&q=85&sig=yhD8UYZA_mmv6q.95Qg3Ag--

[Melk]

From the New York Post (http://www.nypost.com/seven/04052009/news/nationalnews/failed_life_for_killer_coward_162952.htm?&page=1): The lunatic behind the Binghamton massacre was a pathetic, gun-loving coward who got divorced, lost his job and was driven to depression because he could barely speak English after many years in the United States, officials and people who knew him said yesterday.
Up to the part about "barely (being able to) speak English" I thought they were talking about a certain co-host of a certain XM morning show.

As much as Jim Norton complains about thos the New York Times editorializes, look at the way the Post goes at it:

Failed Life
Coward
Lunatic
Pathetic

Do I disagree with the Post? Not really.
Do I think he did the right thing? Certainly not.
Do I think the people at the Civic Association had it coming? Not at all.

The odd part about this story is that this guy was hypersensitive. His acquaintances and co-workers were concerned that he might do this kind of thing. Yet many of them still openly mocked him. Now that this guy is dead, there is this quote:

The police chief said Wong's suicide was his final act of failure.
(...)
"He must have been a coward," Zikuski said.

Even in death this guy is mocked.

I am not saying that this incident was justified. I find the way the Post framed this story darkly ironic.

[joeyballsack]

The Binghamton shooter apparently mailed a letter to the regional news station explaining his reasoning along with pictures, his gun permit and his drivers license.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/04/binghamton_shooter_in_letter_t.html

The guy sounds like a nutbar. He claims he was harassed by the police to the extent that they were monitoring him 24 hours a day.

[TooLowBrow]

The Binghamton shooter apparently mailed a letter to the regional news station explaining his reasoning along with pictures, his gun permit and his drivers license.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/04/binghamton_shooter_in_letter_t.html

The guy sounds like a nutbar. He claims he was harassed by the police to the extent that they were monitoring him 24 hours a day.

He claims he was "halassed by the porice to the extent that they were monitoling him 24 houls a day."

fixed that

[DarkHippie]

Up to the part about "barely (being able to) speak English" I thought they were talking about a certain co-host of a certain XM morning show.

As much as Jim Norton complains about thos the New York Times editorializes, look at the way the Post goes at it:

Failed Life
Coward
Lunatic
Pathetic

Do I disagree with the Post? Not really.
Do I think he did the right thing? Certainly not.
Do I think the people at the Civic Association had it coming? Not at all.

The odd part about this story is that this guy was hypersensitive. His acquaintances and co-workers were concerned that he might do this kind of thing. Yet many of them still openly mocked him. Now that this guy is dead, there is this quote:


Even in death this guy is mocked.

I am not saying that this incident was justified. I find the way the Post framed this story darkly ironic.

Yeah, but we expect it from the Post. I dont think anyone takes the Post seriously

[MacVittie]

He claims he was "halassed by the porice to the extent that they were monitoling him 24 houls a day."

fixed that

hey a lot of people were killed and to make asian jokes as this time isn't just low brow, it's too low brow.

[underdog]

He claims he was "halassed by the porice to the extent that they were monitoling him 24 houls a day."

fixed that

Certain asians have trouble saying "l" words, not "r" words. So substituting "l" for "r" is incorrect.

People do this bad joke all the time. It's like the joke is supposed to be that asians are dyslexic, but only with the letters "r" and "l". It makes no sense.

[TooLowBrow]

Certain asians have trouble saying "l" words, not "r" words. So substituting "l" for "r" is incorrect.

People do this bad joke all the time. It's like the joke is supposed to be that asians are dyslexic, but only with the letters "r" and "l". It makes no sense.

how about

i rike you vely vely much

and

flied lice