Tea Parties

[WRESTLINGFAN]

More and more we are hearing about these events going on. On 4/15 Tax day, there are going to be hundreds of them around the country. Do you think its just people trying to get attention or are people really fed up with all the spending, bailouts for Banks, Detroit etc and The Stimulus plan?

[weekapaugjz]

animal games!

[HBox]

More and more we are hearing about these events going on. On 4/15 Tax day, there are going to be hundreds of them around the country. Do you think its just people trying to get attention or are people really fed up with all the spending, bailouts for Banks, Detroit etc and The Stimulus plan?

That's it.

[Don Stugots]

i am an Earl Grey man myself.

[TooLowBrow]

i am an Earl Grey man myself.

i like black earl:wacko:

[Kublakhan61]

That's it.

Yes - they want attention on their cause. They want people to hear what they have to say. They'd rather go out and tea party across the nation then allow the media to overlook their message.
I don't agree with them.

Seems to me like the Repubs are trying to get people fired up about the bailouts in order to rally support for another push for smaller gov. and less taxes .... which helps the rich more then it helps the poor. The actual poor - people in poverty.

For those who don't know:

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[DarkHippie]

Buying all that tea helps the economy

[MacVittie]

animal games!

puppet show! puppet show!

[burrben]

europeans drink tea. and asians. i dont wanna be like them, no sir.

[boosterp]

I'll just get really drunk. Who's with me? Support your local liquor store, grocery store, alcohol makers across the nation. Let's tax our livers.

[TheMojoPin]

This is so fucking dumb. They might as well have picked a historical reference at random since they're getting the Tea Party all wrong.

[Farmer Dave]

I'll just get really drunk. Who's with me? Support your local liquor store, grocery store, alcohol makers across the nation. Let's tax our livers.

Much more fun, count me in.

[The Jays]

This is so fucking dumb. They might as well have picked a historical reference at random since they're getting the Tea Party all wrong.

Exactly what you and I commented on in the "Worst President Ever" thread.

Here is an article on the ignorance of the tea party movement. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/the-weird-contradictions_b_176476.html)

My dad texted me the other day asking me how he could find out about teh NYC tea party. I let him have it.

The tea party "movements" are on par with my bowel movements- full of shit and loosely organized.


To sum up: higher '90s-era tax rates for the wealthy and corporations? Tyrannical. Tax cuts for the middle class? Also tyrannical. Therefore, emulate the Boston Tea Party as a means of underscoring these positions.

The rationale was that lower taxes meant lower prices, which meant the East India Company would sell a lot more tea. Your basic free market precursor to Reaganomics and supply-side economics in action. In other words, the British government's solution to the East India Company's financial crisis was, in effect, a tax cut. A big one. Exactly the same economic solution that's been pushed by congressional Republicans and the tea bag revolutionaries 236 years later.

[DarkHippie]

I like it when people protest, even if i think they are being silly. It shows that they are at least willing to participate rather than turn away and do nothing

[ChrisTheCop]

There aint no party like my nana's tea pah-tayy!

[TheMojoPin]

Psh. You and your facts. Why sweat the details when we could be chucking tiny tea bags into water?

What the odds that Glenn Beck shows up at one of these and stats weeping again?

[Freakshow]

europeans drink tea. and asians. i dont wanna be like them, no sir.

europeans drink asians?

later we'll have pixie sticks.

[tanless1]

dont be so down on historical ref. how hard did obama try to be compared to lincoln right down to his wistel stop tour.

[TheMojoPin]

dont be so down on historical ref. how hard did obama try to be compared to lincoln right down to his wistel stop tour.

The latter has zilch to do with how people are completely getting the Tea Party wrong. Not just a little wrong...TOTALLY wrong.

[tanless1]

dont be so down on historical ref. how hard did obama try to be compared to lincoln right down to his wistel stop tour.
as for pupetts, how about the news agencies pushing the second coming.

[KatPw]

Can we force these Tea Party people to sit through remedial High School Revolutionary history this summer? Please?

[tanless1]

protest is protest.

[TheMojoPin]

protest is protest.

No, it's not.

Protests aren't bastions of deep thinking, but this particular one is pretty glaringly misinformed.

[SatCam]

I say we go civil war on their ass. And if that doesnt work we should Million Man March

[drjoek]

puppet show! puppet show!

pixie stix!!

[tanless1]

it strikes me that you'd not respect anything less than the protest tactics of the elf's
and the way you lable and dismiss is reminesent of lowenski ( and if i spelled that wrong im sure youll continue to dismiss)
keep in mind gordon brown is vocal of the new world order and our currency must be deflated in hopes of luring the americans into a UN currency. obama has allready attempted and end run around second ammendment w/ destruction of spent military brass, and im sure hes not done.
and we must be disarmed for his plan to come to fruition. so if the boys want to call it a tea party let them, it is really much bigger than that.
i dont want to trust the goverment to make my medical decisions , as theyve done such a splendid job w/ social security.

[HBox]

it strikes me that you'd not respect anything less than the protest tactics of the elf's
and the way you lable and dismiss is reminesent of lowenski ( and if i spelled that wrong im sure youll continue to dismiss)
keep in mind gordon brown is vocal of the new world order and our currency must be deflated in hopes of luring the americans into a UN currency. obama has allready attempted and end run around second ammendment w/ destruction of spent military brass, and im sure hes not done.
and we must be disarmed for his plan to come to fruition. so if the boys want to call it a tea party let them, it is really much bigger than that.
i dont want to trust the goverment to make my medical decisions , as theyve done such a splendid job w/ social security.

Yeah, fuck social security! It's only worked perfectly since the day it was implemented! And the Postal Service too! 42 cents to send a letter anywhere? Fucking bureaucrats!

[epo]

obama has allready attempted and end run around second ammendment

Tell me how. With proof.

[ToiletCrusher]

good canadian band that Tea Party.

[tanless1]

obama has allready attempted and end run around second ammendment w/ destruction of spent military brass, .

not direct , but by ordering spent brass destroyed instead of available for reload. you reduce the amount of available ammo to the people, w/ out ammo a gun is usless.

end run = other than direct.

[booster11373]

Middle age white guys in polo shirts is not a tea party in the historical sence

[HBox]

not direct , but by ordering spent brass destroyed instead of available for reload. you reduce the amount of available ammo to the people, w/ out ammo a gun is usless.

end run = other than direct.

Uh....... wow.

I didn't know I was doing an end run around the 2nd amendment when I threw out the saxophone I played as a child.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Uh....... wow.

I didn't know I was doing an end run around the 2nd amendment when I threw out the saxophone I played as a child.

Funny, you struck me as a cello player.

[torker]

saxamaphone, saxamaphone, saxamaphone

[Drunky McBetidont]

tea bag me and i'll lower your taxes.

[SatCam]

I just hope they don't buy Lipton tea bags. I dont want that company to get the impression that they make an even remotely good tea.

[epo]

not direct , but by ordering spent brass destroyed instead of available for reload. you reduce the amount of available ammo to the people, w/ out ammo a gun is usless.

end run = other than direct.

That might possibly be the worst logic I've ever read. Remind me to write a strongly worded letter to the Idaho government about their piss-poor education system.

[HBox]

That might possibly be the worst logic I've ever read. Remind me to write a strongly worded letter to the Idaho government about their piss-poor education system.

They're too busy playing tetherball and eating unappetizing steaks.

[The Jays]

protest is protest.

No it's not. The Westboro Baptist Church protests soldier's funerals with signs about God hating fags, their logic being that soldiers deserve to die because they defend a country of "fag enablers."

Sometimes, protest is fucking retarded.

[tanless1]

well, im not willing to over invest my time to a group of nitwit's. continue to play blind; we'll see how it plays out. if im proven wrong, and i hope i am, ill congratulate you on your infinite depth of foresite.

[HBox]

well, im not willing to over invest my time to a group of nitwit's. continue to play blind; we'll see how it plays out. if im proven wrong, and i hope i am, ill congratulate you on your infinite depth of foresite.

I'll miss your infinite depth of misspelled words.

[tanless1]

i knowwwww, my spelling wld stink up a football field and reflects poorly on me, and i do appreciate you looking past it though. i would be willing to fake it w/ spell checker, just dont got's one on zee phone.

[Zorro]

Exactly what you and I commented on in the "Worst President Ever" thread.

Here is an article on the ignorance of the tea party movement. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/the-weird-contradictions_b_176476.html)

My dad texted me the other day asking me how he could find out about teh NYC tea party. I let him have it.

The tea party "movements" are on par with my bowel movements- full of shit and loosely organized.

Quoting the Huffington post on this is like quoting O'Reilly on Obama.

Besides I'm too busy trying to make a living and just can't get all worked up about tea baggers, Acorns or any of the other too much free time crowd. How 'bout they all stop the whining and and get a job.

[DarkHippie]

How 'bout they all stop the whining and and get a job.

That line only works when there are jobs to be had

[TheMojoPin]

Quoting the Huffington post on this is like quoting O'Reilly on Obama.

Not in this case. He wasn't quoting the editorial portion of one of their pieces...he was quoting an accurate summation of the actual history and context of the Boston Tea Party. You can only dismiss it like you did if you either didn't read what he quoted or you think the history is completely wrong.

In short, it was absolutely nothing like quoting Bill O'Reilly on anything ever.

[HBox]

Andrew Sullivan had a perfect name and description of whats these stupid things actually are.

What it looks like to me is some kind of amorphous, generalized rage on the part of those who were used to running the country and now don't feel part of the culture at all. But the only word for that is: tantrum.
These are not tea-parties. They are tea-tantrums. And the adolescent, unserious hysteria is a function not of a movement regrouping and refinding itself. It's a function of a movement's intellectual collapse and a party's fast-accelerating nervous breakdown.

[booster11373]

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This summed it up for me

[angrymissy]

Psh. You and your facts. Why sweat the details when we could be chucking tiny tea bags into water?

What the odds that Glenn Beck shows up at one of these and stats weeping again?

Oh, he's broadcasting his show live from the one at the Alamo.

(I was tapped in a Doctors office blaring fox news last night, they had a whole commercial on it)

[KatPw]

(I was tapped in a Doctors office blaring fox news last night, they had a whole commercial on it)

You have a very cruel Doctor.

[Furtherman]

You have a very cruel Doctor.

Seriously. I'm pretty sure that is against the Hippocratic oath.

[angrymissy]

The 912 Project is already holding meetings! These are the people who will be attending:

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Woman: [Shouts] “Burn the books!” [applause]

Man: “I don’t think you were serious about that, were you?”

Woman: “I am too.”

Man: “Burn all the books?!”

Woman: “The ones in college, those, those brainwashing books.”

Man: “[laughs] Brainwashing books?”

Woman: “Yes.”

Man: “Which ones are those?”

Woman: “Like, the evolution crap, and, yeah...”

[razorboy]

I just made a kettle of white pear. Anyone want some?

[Furtherman]

The 912 Project is already holding meetings!

Joseph McCarthy would be so proud!!!

That "marketing" guy is great. He'll still have rabbit ears on his TV when the IRS comes and takes his house because he didn't want the digital switchover to brainwash him. Like they did in the 60s! It's a 50 year plan!

[Drunky McBetidont]

The 912 Project is already holding meetings! These are the people who will be attending:

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Woman: [Shouts] “Burn the books!” [applause]

Man: “I don’t think you were serious about that, were you?”

Woman: “I am too.”

Man: “Burn all the books?!”

Woman: “The ones in college, those, those brainwashing books.”

Man: “[laughs] Brainwashing books?”

Woman: “Yes.”

Man: “Which ones are those?”

Woman: “Like, the evolution crap, and, yeah...”

i like how they met in a tgi fridays or applebees. high fucking class. i hope they ate a lot of appitizers and order their share of pina coladas.

[HBox]

The 912 Project is already holding meetings! These are the people who will be attending:

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Woman: [Shouts] “Burn the books!” [applause]

Man: “I don’t think you were serious about that, were you?”

Woman: “I am too.”

Man: “Burn all the books?!”

Woman: “The ones in college, those, those brainwashing books.”

Man: “[laughs] Brainwashing books?”

Woman: “Yes.”

Man: “Which ones are those?”

Woman: “Like, the evolution crap, and, yeah...”

Libertarian Guy: We also believe in the Bill of Rights and the Constitution! ::clap clap clap::

no response.

[HBox]

Glenn Beck is the most entertaining person I have ever seen. Not only is he hilarious, everything he touches turns to gold!

[Drunky McBetidont]

Glenn Beck is the most entertaining person I have ever seen. Not only is he hilarious, everything he touches turns to gold!

really? i put him and rush on the same level and it is low.

doesn't beck love guns? i cant listen to it but i watched this video and all of those people frighten me.

[HBox]

really? i put him and rush on the same level and it is low.

doesn't beck love guns? i cant listen to it but i watched this video and all of those people frighten me.

It's like he's doing Stephen Colbert's act but he's serious which makes it even more hilarious.

For example....... (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/glenn-beck-im-obama-ok-douses-actor\)

[Furtherman]

Glen Beck: The Fears Of A Clown (http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1890174,00.html)

A great synopsis of this maniac.

[angrymissy]

It's like he's doing Stephen Colbert's act but he's serious which makes it even more hilarious.

For example....... (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/glenn-beck-im-obama-ok-douses-actor\)

If I didn't know him, I'd think it was satire too. Especially the fake crying with the green screened backgrounds

[angrymissy]

SERIOUSLY THE WIPING OF THE FAKE TEAR.

How can anyone watch this with a straight face?

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MSNBC openly mocking him
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[Ogre]

Middle age white guys in polo shirts is not a tea party in the historical sence

Thanks for the MSNBC misrepresentation and RACIAL profiling of those who don't lockstep with the likes of Chris Matthews and that Rachel Madcow person. I am not running out to join one of these events, but talk about the fascist supression of dissent. I thought LIBS loved a mindless gathering of brainwashed masses. (see IMF and G20 protests). I bet you they will not cover thier faces like those cowards do.

[angrymissy]

Thanks for the MSNBC misrepresentation and RACIAL profiling of those who don't lockstep with the likes of Chris Matthews and that Rachel Madcow person. I am not running out to join one of these events, but talk about the fascist supression of dissent. I thought LIBS loved a mindless gathering of brainwashed masses. (see IMF and G20 protests). I bet you they will not cover thier faces like those cowards do.

LOLOL YOU SAID MADCOW INSTEAD OF MADDOW!!!!

Racial profiling? Whaaa?

Tell me you watch Glenn Beck and believe his fake crying. Seriously. Explain it to me because I can't understand it.

[Drunky McBetidont]

LOLOL YOU SAID MADCOW INSTEAD OF MADDOW!!!!

Racial profiling? Whaaa?

Tell me you watch Glenn Beck and believe his fake crying. Seriously. Explain it to me because I can't understand it.

i could swear that beck wrote gitmo books like 24, some jack bower character that would torture witnesses until they spilled or confessed. he is a true patriot. i hope he gets ass cancer and gets a 21 gun salute.

[HBox]

Thanks for the MSNBC misrepresentation and RACIAL profiling of those who don't lockstep with the likes of Chris Matthews and that Rachel Madcow person. I am not running out to join one of these events, but talk about the fascist supression of dissent. I thought LIBS loved a mindless gathering of brainwashed masses. (see IMF and G20 protests). I bet you they will not cover thier faces like those cowards do.

You don't know what fascism is do you? Mussolini didn't dominate Italy through open mockery of his opponents.

[Ogre]

LOLOL YOU SAID MADCOW INSTEAD OF MADDOW!!!!

Racial profiling? Whaaa?

Tell me you watch Glenn Beck and believe his fake crying. Seriously. Explain it to me because I can't understand it.

No I do not watch Glen Beck. I just get frustrated with the fact that conservative people are automatically classified as middle aged white guys. Like that is something bad. You Democrats are so scary smart, and we Republicans are such misguided dolts. Excuse me for pointing out that people who do not blindly follow your messiah are somehow unwashed idots. Forgive me for having thoughts of my own instead of being lumped into a group. Message to all young people that are white, soon you will be middle aged white folk. So when that day comes....suck it. I will be dead and you will be the ones persecuted for your lack of skin tone and age. ENJOY

[Bestinshow]

Hey why stop here? The government is running the automotive industry, the banks and the insurance companies. They are firing employees, setting wages and bonuses and generally all compensation. And if you think they are just doing this for companies getting stimulus, you are wrong. They are grasping at more. And I laugh at that inane response about how perfectly social security is working. For years all I've been hearing is how broke it is and will be out of money shortly and now its perfect? You know what, lets tax everyone 100% and with the money the government can buy all the businesses, and than we can divy out everything equally so we don't have to worry about anyone being rich anymore, while people sit at home on their asses and get their houses and food and cars paid for.

It's called a tea party as a catchy phrase for an over taxation protest. If the Republican's ever were this picky about the lib's dumb terminology, you guys would all be up in arms.Like calling baby killing "pro choice"...Whose fucking choice? Or all the asshole terminology that Obama just renamed because he did't like "enemy combatants" or "global war on terrot". I don't se you guys picking on his pussy terminolgy.

This country is turning marxist and you people are worried about the name of a protest!!!!!!!

Maybe some of you need to get a job and support a family and than lets see how you feel about this bullshit.


GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Drunky McBetidont]

[QUOTE=Ogre;2207649]No I do not watch Glen Beck. I just get frustrated with the fact that conservative people are automatically classified as middle aged white guys. Like that is something bad. You Democrats are so scary smart, and we Republicans are such misguided dolts. Excuse me for pointing out that people who do not blindly follow your messiah are somehow unwashed idots. Forgive me for having thoughts of my own instead of being lumped into a group. QUOTE]

you are forgiven. it is good friday afterall.

[Ogre]

well?

[HBox]

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[Drunky McBetidont]

Hey why stop here? The government is running the automotive industry, the banks and the insurance companies. They are firing employees, setting wages and bonuses and generally all compensation. And if you think they are just doing this for companies getting stimulus, you are wrong. They are grasping at more. And I laugh at that inane response about how perfectly social security is working. For years all I've been hearing is how broke it is and will be out of money shortly and now its perfect? You know what, lets tax everyone 100% and with the money the government can buy all the businesses, and than we can divy out everything equally so we don't have to worry about anyone being rich anymore, while people sit at home on their asses and get their houses and food and cars paid for.

It's called a tea party as a catchy phrase for an over taxation protest. If the Republican's ever were this picky about the lib's dumb terminology, you guys would all be up in arms.Like calling baby killing "pro choice"...Whose fucking choice? Or all the asshole terminology that Obama just renamed because he did't like "enemy combatants" or "global war on terrot". I don't se you guys picking on his pussy terminolgy.

This country is turning marxist and you people are worried about the name of a protest!!!!!!!

Maybe some of you need to get a job and support a family and than lets see how you feel about this bullshit.


GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

aren't three quarters of you unemployeed? hmmmm.

[HBox]

Hey why stop here? The government is running the automotive industry, the banks and the insurance companies. They are firing employees, setting wages and bonuses and generally all compensation. And if you think they are just doing this for companies getting stimulus, you are wrong. They are grasping at more. And I laugh at that inane response about how perfectly social security is working. For years all I've been hearing is how broke it is and will be out of money shortly and now its perfect? You know what, lets tax everyone 100% and with the money the government can buy all the businesses, and than we can divy out everything equally so we don't have to worry about anyone being rich anymore, while people sit at home on their asses and get their houses and food and cars paid for.

It's called a tea party as a catchy phrase for an over taxation protest. If the Republican's ever were this picky about the lib's dumb terminology, you guys would all be up in arms.Like calling baby killing "pro choice"...Whose fucking choice? Or all the asshole terminology that Obama just renamed because he did't like "enemy combatants" or "global war on terrot". I don't se you guys picking on his pussy terminolgy.

This country is turning marxist and you people are worried about the name of a protest!!!!!!!

Maybe some of you need to get a job and support a family and than lets see how you feel about this bullshit.


GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey, get off the board. You're show is on right now! 2 million people are waiting to see you cry again!

[angrymissy]

Maybe some of you need to get a job and support a family and than lets see how you feel about this bullshit.


GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you think that we don't have jobs because we have liberal views?

I have two, thank you very much.

(We're in the top tax bracket too)

[Ogre]

Last I checked Glen Beck is a talk show host. I wish you analyzed Barack Obama as closely. I think if you were honest with yourself you would not find a Hero.

[razorboy]

Shepard Smith is a disturbing looking man.

[angrymissy]

Last I checked Glen Beck is a talk show host. I wish you analyzed Barack Obama as closely. I think if you were honest with yourself you would not find a Hero.

When Barack Obama starts fake crying in front of a green screen, believe me, I'll be the first in line to call him an idiot.

[underdog]

Man, people really don't like having a black president.

[Drunky McBetidont]

http://www.videodetective.com/photos/008/000351_48.jpg

[Furtherman]

Last I checked Glen Beck is a talk show host. I wish you analyzed Barack Obama as closely. I think if you were honest with yourself you would not find a Hero.

The only people calling Obama a "hero" or "messiah" are upset conservatives. LIBS, or Democrats or Hippies or whoever do not call him, nor think of him that way.

People with common sense call him President. No more, no less.

[Ogre]

Do you think that we don't have jobs because we have liberal views?

I have two, thank you very much.

(We're in the top tax bracket too)

Did it ever occur to you that if your tax rate was less, because there was less Government spending for wastefull Government programs, then maybe you could keep more of the money you earn and in return maybe quit that second job. Then maybe, just maybe you would work less and keep more of what is yours, that would be a good thing? I mean really forget the Republican-Democrat thing, think about you and yours and thier future; and the future of this nation. Is this what we have become?

Think about the words of JFK. A Democrat that was the last great Democrat to hold the office. Sure President Clinton was good, but he was no JFK. While some in the conservative circles downplay President Kennedy's role; the few words he spoke on that bitter January day, spoke volumes.

The problems I have with President Obama (see I respected the office unlike Democrats during President Bush administration). Is that the reach of Government under his watch, in a very short time period, has become too much and too fast.

The press had a field day over shit that mattered only to some. Now under President Obama they are acting blind to things that may affect many.

They will continue to tax us for reasons no one can rationally explain.

And...."All She want's to do is dance..dance"

To quote the late great Warren Zevon.

"Send Lawyers, Guns and Money...."

[Drunky McBetidont]

The only people calling Obama a "hero" or "messiah" are upset conservatives. LIBS, or Democrats or Hippies or whoever do not call him, nor think of him that way.

People with common sense call him President. No more, no less.

i want toilet water!. i want toilet water!

[angrymissy]

Did it ever occur to you that if your tax rate was less, because there was less Government spending for wastefull Government programs, then maybe you could keep more of the money you earn and in return maybe quit that second job. Then maybe, just maybe you would work less and keep more of what is yours, that would be a good thing?

I'm already in the highest tax bracket and still would be if I quit the second job (which is helping my husband out with his business).

I like cash so I work more.

I don't like seeing people die or suffer due to lack of health care. That means more to me than money for myself (and I'm a greedy bitch).
I don't like seeing people starve from lack of food. That means more to me than money for myself (and I'm a greedy bitch).
I don't like seeing people living on the streets or in shelters because they have nowhere to live. That means more to me than money for myself (and I'm a greedy bitch).
I don't like seeing smart kids who can't attend college due to lack of funds. That means more to me than money for myself (and I'm a greedy bitch).

So yeah, I'm not going to cry poverty when my tax rate goes up 1% and there are people losing their homes and struggling to eat.

[Furtherman]

Ew... Missy, you're so.... human.... why can't you be patriotic like our founding fathers?!

[booster11373]

Did it ever occur to you that if your tax rate was less, because there was less Government spending for wastefull Government programs, then maybe you could keep more of the money you earn and in return maybe quit that second job. Then maybe, just maybe you would work less and keep more of what is yours, that would be a good thing?

You come off like you don't have a say in what happens in this country at all and all these problems began on January 20th 2009

Congressional elections are 20 months away that seems like a good time to voice your opinion

[booster11373]

I'm already in the highest tax bracket and still would be if I quit the second job (which is helping my husband out with his business).

I like cash so I work more.

I don't like seeing people die or suffer due to lack of health care. That means more to me than money for myself (and I'm a greedy bitch).
I don't like seeing people starve from lack of food. That means more to me than money for myself (and I'm a greedy bitch).
I don't like seeing people living on the streets or in shelters because they have nowhere to live. That means more to me than money for myself (and I'm a greedy bitch).
I don't like seeing smart kids who can't attend college due to lack of funds. That means more to me than money for myself (and I'm a greedy bitch).

So yeah, I'm not going to cry poverty when my tax rate goes up 1% and there are people losing their homes and struggling to eat.

But thats not the American way that sounds like socialism !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HBox]

But thats not the American way that sounds like socialism !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wait a second! I looked that word up in the dictionary and that's not what socialism is! We have to call it fascism from now on, or at least until somebody looks that word up.

[Ogre]

Mock as you wish. I shant change. I won't go away. I have an opinion that you may not agree with, but if you were really the Kumbahya saints you pretend to be, you would have pitty on my POOR MISGUIDED SOUL. eat it.

[booster11373]

Mock as you wish. I shant change. I won't go away. I have an opinion that you may not agree with, but if you were really the Kumbahya saints you pretend to be, you would have pitty on my POOR MISGUIDED SOUL. eat it.

You are funny I hope you never leave

[underdog]

They will continue to tax us for reasons no one can rationally explain.


By "they", you mean any single person in charge, no matter what party they belong to, right? Because if you want to pretend that the republicans in charge believe in less taxation (of individuals) and less spending, I'll just show you the last 8 years.

[razorboy]

I'm more of a kumquat saint.

[HBox]

Mock as you wish. I shant change. I won't go away. I have an opinion that you may not agree with, but if you were really the Kumbahya saints you pretend to be, you would have pitty on my POOR MISGUIDED SOUL. eat it.

Who said we were Kunbayah saints? It may shock you to hear this but we aren't the stereotypes you have in your head.

[HBox]

By "they", you mean any single person in charge, no matter what party they belong to, right? Because if you want to pretend that the republicans in charge believe in less taxation (of individuals) and less spending, I'll just show you the last 8 years.

No. Theys the ones that wes surrounding!

[booster11373]

Who said we were Kunbayah saints? It may shock you to hear this but we aren't the stereotypes you have in your head.

I just kicked a homeless vetran on the way to a flag burning party, Im also a muslim communist.

[angrymissy]

Mock as you wish. I shant change. I won't go away. I have an opinion that you may not agree with, but if you were really the Kumbahya saints you pretend to be, you would have pitty on my POOR MISGUIDED SOUL. eat it.

I don't expect you to change. Just answering your question about money.

I am far from a freaking saint, nor do I think I am. Not wanting to see people starve or die does not make one a saint, maybe just a human.

[Ogre]

Uhhh if I said "they"..umm I am not sure what you just said. Define "they". No, the President wants to concentrate on the Housing problem. Next Question?

***and scene***

[Drunky McBetidont]

Uhhh if I said "they"..umm I am not sure what you just said. Define "they". No, the President wants to concentrate on the Housing problem. Next Question?

***and scene***

niggers suck, right man? i feel you.

[angrymissy]

I just kicked a homeless vetran on the way to a flag burning party, Im also a muslim communist.

Screw him, I want to keep my money! HE WANTS TO TAKE MY TAX DOLLARS FOR FOOD AND SHELTER!

http://southcarolina1670.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/scrooge-mcduck-make-it-rain.jpg

[underdog]

Uhhh if I said "they"..umm I am not sure what you just said. Define "they". No, the President wants to concentrate on the Housing problem. Next Question?

***and scene***

Your "they" seemed to be directed at democrats. I was just showing you how wrong you were.

[Ogre]

I don't expect you to change. Just answering your question about money.

I am far from a freaking saint, nor do I think I am. Not wanting to see people starve or die does not make one a saint, maybe just a human.

On a serious note Missy I never said you were not human. I never intended you to infer this. I agree that we have a HUGE problem with homelesness and hunger. I never said that those programs should be cut or curtailed.

[angrymissy]

On a serious note Missy I never said you were not human. I never intended you to infer this. I agree that we have a HUGE problem with homelesness and hunger. I never said that those programs should be cut or curtailed.

No, no, that's not what I meant. I was saying to me, caring about those things over my tax dollars does not make me a saint, it makes me human.

If you don't want programs cut or curtailed... then how do we pay for them?

[Ogre]

niggers suck, right man? i feel you.

Man you got issues.

[booster11373]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/thetoiletpaper/blog/Taxes-Front.jpg


heres the reat

http://thetoiletpaper.com/blog/2009/the-average-mans-tax-dollars/

[Drunky McBetidont]

Man you got issues.

no dude, you got me all wrong. this is a "safe" place. let it all out.

[Ogre]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/thetoiletpaper/blog/Taxes-Front.jpg


heres the reat

http://thetoiletpaper.com/blog/2009/the-average-mans-tax-dollars/

That's a shitload fulla bullets

[Ogre]

no dude, you got me all wrong. this is a "safe" place. let it all out.

You show me yours and I'll show you mine

[Ogre]

No, no, that's not what I meant. I was saying to me, caring about those things over my tax dollars does not make me a saint, it makes me human.

If you don't want programs cut or curtailed... then how do we pay for them?

We continue to invest in those programs. But in a rational manner. I know I know...I can hear the drumbeat. What about WallStreet, what about AIG? Just because President Bush fucked up does not mean we have to use that as justification to blindly allot more monies to expanded Government programs that have shown poor acoountabilty in the past. The amounts of money I have no problem with, the amount of fraud and waste on both sides of Oz's curtain, that's what I have a problem with.

If this truly is an Administration of change, then let's see some. Instead we are throwing money at the same old broken crap.

It's like the drunk kid touching uncle that every family has. Nobody want's to admit it, but he's there.

If this truly is an Adminstration of change, then let's see some. Real change, instead of pumping cash into broken Government programs and influences.

[Drunky McBetidont]

It's like the drunk kid touching uncle that every family has. Nobody want's to admit it, but he's there.

rube?

[Ogre]

rube?

That's Ms. Rube to you.

[keithy_19]

I went past the post saying something about Glen Beck being at one of these events...Beck was very criticial of Bush as well. It's not a anti-dem or anti-repub thing.

I think it's great that fed up people are trying to get their voices heard.

[Bestinshow]

Lets not get confused, just because your tax dollars are buying so much pork, doesnt mean it will feed the poor. Last I checked our tax dollars were going to a bill that noone will give a straight answer on. All I know is some is going to whiskey distillery, some is going to a frisbee golf course and some is going to a bow and arrow factory. And the slobs such as Barney Frank who are doing all the bitching about watching our tax dollars signed this piece of shit, AIG bonuses and all.

Maybe you should check with Europe and canada about Socialized medicine. I don't see anyone from here running there for specialized medicine. England is supposed to have one of the worst health systems anywhere

And last I checked we have financial aid for people who can't afford college. But maybe we should sent the poor to Ivy league schools like Mr. Obama. Btw, Id like to know who funded that. I had no help from my parents for school. Used financial aid to go to a community college. Got a job with tuition reimbursement and a student loan and put myself through Pace University. Im a CPA. Maybe someone should give me all that money back. I was poor.

[underdog]

Lets not get confused, just because your tax dollars are buying so much pork, doesnt mean it will feed the poor. Last I checked our tax dollars were going to a bill that noone will give a straight answer on.

EVERY PRESIDENT DOES THIS.

Stop acting like its just Obama. Tell me where my tax dollars went the last 8 years, while corporate taxes were lowered.

[The Jays]

I went past the post saying something about Glen Beck being at one of these events...Beck was very criticial of Bush as well. It's not a anti-dem or anti-repub thing.

I think it's great that fed up people are trying to get their voices heard.

The other day, Beck pretended he was President Obama, and then proceeded to pour gasoline on a person playing John Q. Public and then lit a match, and said that this is what Obama is doing by pushing immigration reform. So, repub or not, he's a fucking loon. (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/glenn-beck-im-obama-ok-douses-actor)

[Bestinshow]

Wait a second! I looked that word up in the dictionary and that's not what socialism is! We have to call it fascism from now on, or at least until somebody looks that word up.

Uh.....actually welfare, medicare and other goverment funded medical assistance, subsidized housing and financial aid for school are forms of socialism. Its why they are called social programs. And they already exist in some form. Problem is the new administration wants to ramp them up and remove the class system. Take from the haves and give to the have nots. Social programs to an extent are necessary but this is way too far to the left. So far in fact that leaders in Europe are telling us to slow down. And last I checked, we were supposed to be a capitalist society.

Also people should do a little more research. The tax increases will be more than 1%. Its at least 3% to start with. In addition capital gains rates will increase much more for those who want to invest for their future. And if Im not mistaken, he also wants to lower the income for phase out of itemized deductions. Also the social security ceiling is supposed to be eliminated so social security taxes will be higher if Obama gets his way. And I believe its callled "cap and trade" which will put billions of dollars of extra cost on corporations for carbon dioxide restrictions which most scientists say wont make more than a 2% difference and is the same gas we exhale btw. I don't think thats going to help our emplyment picture much.

[TooLowBrow]

cant we just give everything we earn to the government

then they could pay for everything we need, with quality of life bonuses for higher earners

[Bestinshow]

EVERY PRESIDENT DOES THIS.

Stop acting like its just Obama. Tell me where my tax dollars went the last 8 years, while corporate taxes were lowered.

Except for two things you conveniently left out.

1)Remember the whole point was Obama was raising taxes? Washington always wastes money. Lobbyists were aound forever. But noone would be saying shit if he wasn't taking even more money to do nothing.

2)Obama raised the deficit in three months as much as it was raised in 8 years and that was to fund two wars and doesnt count his upcomong budget.


So no, its not like the last 8 years

and btw, personal income taxes were lowered. You show me what corporate taxes were lowered.

Unless you are talking the dividend rate and that effects investors , not corporations.

[Bestinshow]

cant we just give everything we earn to the government

then they could pay for everything we need, with quality of life bonuses for higher earners


Too late, I Pretty much said that in my first post here

[underdog]

Problem is the new administration wants to ramp them up and remove the class system. Take from the haves and give to the have nots.

If you believe this, you're retarded.

And I'm not being insulting; I mean you probably have some sort of incredible learning deficiency.

Social programs to an extent are necessary but this is way too far to the left. So far in fact that leaders in Europe are telling us to slow down.

This could be the dumbest thing I've ever seen posted on ronfez.net. And SP1! posts here.

And last I checked, we were supposed to be a capitalist society.

That's worked out so well in the last year, hasn't it?

[TooLowBrow]

Too late, I Pretty much said that in my first post here

wow

you were way more thorough too

:thumbup:

[TooLowBrow]

i want my taxes to help people who need help

but not people who could help themselves but dont







im probably just summing up a bestinshow post

[TooLowBrow]

has there ever been a capitalist, democratic, republic before us?

i think the great experiment is failing
we need a monarchy
tried and true

[underdog]

1)Remember the whole point was Obama was raising taxes?

Nope. I know things like you keep saying he is, but I don't remember it.

But noone would be saying shit if he wasn't taking even more money to do nothing.

Yes, they would. He's a liberal. They are retards. They would say shit no matter what he was doing.

If he were lowering taxes, it would be because he hates America and the troops and he's trying to get the Soviet Union to take us over.

If he were doing nothing, it would be because he's scared of being president and didn't know how to act in office.

How much is he raising taxes? Because I made more money last year than the year before and I'm paying less in taxes this year. I'd like to be prepared for next year. So please provide me with the exact percentages he has already raised taxes so I can prepare for next year.

[The Jays]

Seriously, who gives a shit anymore? No one said anything while Clinton was bringing in a budget surplus, only to have in squandered by Bush, who sent us into two useless wars, failed to get Osama, let one of our own cities get destroyed because infrastructure wasn't invested in (since we just had to give out tax cuts) and heavily pushed to get minorities and poor people into home ownership helping to cause this housing mess. Now that there's a new guy in town, now everyone wants to protest? It pisses me off because it's basically saying, all of the things that happened under Bush were OK, but now that someone new is in town, and we've gotta give up the tax cuts on the top brackets, we have to revolt against our government, man!

[underdog]

has there ever been a capitalist, democratic, republic before us?

i think the great experiment is failing
we need a monarchy
tried and true

This is a tyranny! A democratically elected Tyranny, but a tyranny none the less.

[Bestinshow]

If you believe this, you're retarded.

And I'm not being insulting; I mean you probably have some sort of incredible learning deficiency.



This could be the dumbest thing I've ever seen posted on ronfez.net. And SP1! posts here.



That's worked out so well in the last year, hasn't it?


Wow, you really are a fucking idiot. You don't need any facts to back what you say. My statements are factual and you call them dumb because evidently you are illiterate or lack any comprehension.

Have you read any of Obama's platform? Do you understand any of it or dont they teach that in remedial reading? look up acorn, look up his position on socialized medicine, if u are even capable of understanding it, you are probably 12 or at least I hope you are.

And if you don't like capitalism, tell mommy you dont like it here anymore. There are plenty of countries you would find more interesting.

[Bestinshow]

i want my taxes to help people who need help

but not people who could help themselves but dont







im probably just summing up a bestinshow post


Maybe we think alike because we both drink the new Hyde park water

[TooLowBrow]

Maybe we think alike because we both drink the new Hyde park water

there is something with the water here



someone should use it to make tea

then throw a party

[Bestinshow]

there is something with the water here



someone should use it to make tea

then throw a party

Don't joke like that. people here are very sensitive of the sanctity of the boston tea party.

You keep talking like that and you may end up in "Hot water":clap::clap: (Pun intended)

[HBox]

Uh.....actually welfare, medicare and other goverment funded medical assistance, subsidized housing and financial aid for school are forms of socialism. Its why they are called social programs. And they already exist in some form. Problem is the new administration wants to ramp them up and remove the class system. Take from the haves and give to the have nots. Social programs to an extent are necessary but this is way too far to the left. So far in fact that leaders in Europe are telling us to slow down. And last I checked, we were supposed to be a capitalist society.

Also people should do a little more research. The tax increases will be more than 1%. Its at least 3% to start with. In addition capital gains rates will increase much more for those who want to invest for their future. And if Im not mistaken, he also wants to lower the income for phase out of itemized deductions. Also the social security ceiling is supposed to be eliminated so social security taxes will be higher if Obama gets his way. And I believe its callled "cap and trade" which will put billions of dollars of extra cost on corporations for carbon dioxide restrictions which most scientists say wont make more than a 2% difference and is the same gas we exhale btw. I don't think thats going to help our emplyment picture much.

All those things you mentioned existed long before Obama and even Bush and even Clinton took office and no one was crying socialism. So why does the crying start all of a sudden? What has Obama done to warrant this whining? You mention social programs. Name some. You mention his tax plan. He just wants to return to Clinton era tax rates for income over $250,000. No one was crying socialism in the 90s. Why? Because it isn't. He could go well beyond that and it isn't socialism.

As far as the 1% thing. First of all it was an exaggeration which was obvious. Second of all for them it might actually be a 1% increase anyway. If they make just a little over $250,000 then only the income above $250,000 will be taxed at the higher 39% rate meaning if that portion is small enough they just might only have a 1% tax hike from before the increase. And there isnt a huge difference between 1% and 3% anyway. And capital gains rates will be returned to Clinton era rates when we were just fine. The Social Security increase would only affect those making over $92,000 and from what I heard he isn't eliminating the ceiling but raising it.

And I have my problems with cap and trade but I doubt that will pass anyway. And what I'd like to do is much more unrealistic than that. But unless some miracle energy source pops up that is cheaper than oil and clean whatever we do to combat global warming will have a negative effect on the economy.

[underdog]

Wow, you really are a fucking idiot. You don't need any facts to back what you say. My statements are factual and you call them dumb because evidently you are illiterate or lack any comprehension.

Have you read any of Obama's platform? Do you understand any of it or dont they teach that in remedial reading? look up acorn, look up his position on socialized medicine, if u are even capable of understanding it, you are probably 12 or at least I hope you are.

And if you don't like capitaliam, tell mommy you dont like it here anymore. There are plenty of countries you would find more interesting.

This is a great post. I like how you want to insult my "remedial reading" and you cannot spell fucking CAPITALISM. Good work, sunshine. You're the best and brightest that I'm sure love Glen Beck.

Also, this question is still out there :

How much is he raising taxes? Because I made more money last year than the year before and I'm paying less in taxes this year. I'd like to be prepared for next year. So please provide me with the exact percentages he has already raised taxes so I can prepare for next year.

But I'm sure you won't answer it because you have no fucking clue. You're only against him because he's a black democrat.

[underdog]

Don't joke like that. people here are very sensitive of the sanctity of the boston tea party.

You keep talking like that and you may end up in "Hot water":clap::clap: (Pun intended)

Your ability to grasp sarcasm is only surpassed by your ability to understand politics.

[TheMojoPin]

Guys...WHOA.

Please take it down a few levels.

[underdog]

All those things you mentioned existed long before Obama and even Bush and even Clinton took office and no one was crying socialism. So why does the crying start all of a sudden? What has Obama done to warrant this whining?

Obama is black.

[underdog]

Guys...WHOA.

Please take it down a few levels.

I thought we were already at the lowest level.

[TooLowBrow]

Obama is black.

hes also white

[The Jays]

Don't joke like that. people here are very sensitive of the sanctity of the boston tea party.

You keep talking like that and you may end up in "Hot water":clap::clap: (Pun intended)

The Boston Tea Party was in protest of a tax cut. Everyone here gets mad because of the sheer idiocy of "tea party" groups who use the historical moment inaccurately. It was to protest taxation without representation, not to protest taxation.

[Bestinshow]

This is a great post. I like how you want to insult my "remedial reading" and you cannot spell fucking CAPITALISM. Good work, sunshine. You're the best and brightest that I'm sure love Glen Beck.

Also, this question is still out there :



But I'm sure you won't answer it because you have no fucking clue. You're only against him because he's a black democrat.

I cant believe Im wasting my time answering a tool but maybe I can aggravate you for being so dumb. If you had half a brain you'd see I already corrected my typo ypu stupid ass, obviously I didnt intend to type it that way. Second, if you weren't so lazy, you would have ready the post that Hbox responded too that mentioned the increases.

So evidently Im right, you are illiterate.

And throwing out the race card even makes you look smarter.

[TheMojoPin]

hes also white

Not according to every single second of American history ever.

[TheMojoPin]

Underdog, BiS, please shift your argument to some kind of a debate sans the personal attacks.

[underdog]

I cant believe Im wasting my time answering a tool but maybe I can aggravate you for being so dumb. If you had half a brain you'd see I already corrected my typo ypu stupid ass, obviously I didnt intend to type it that way. Second, if you weren't so lazy, you would have ready the post that Hbox responded too that mentioned the increases.

So evidently Im right, you are illiterate.

And throwing out the race card even makes you look smarter.

Again :

How much is he raising taxes? Because I made more money last year than the year before and I'm paying less in taxes this year. I'd like to be prepared for next year. So please provide me with the exact percentages he has already raised taxes so I can prepare for next year.

Please continue not to answer, though. It only proves my point.

[Bestinshow]

All those things you mentioned existed long before Obama and even Bush and even Clinton took office and no one was crying socialism. So why does the crying start all of a sudden? What has Obama done to warrant this whining? You mention social programs. Name some. You mention his tax plan. He just wants to return to Clinton era tax rates for income over $250,000. No one was crying socialism in the 90s. Why? Because it isn't. He could go well beyond that and it isn't socialism.

As far as the 1% thing. First of all it was an exaggeration which was obvious. Second of all for them it might actually be a 1% increase anyway. If they make just a little over $250,000 then only the income above $250,000 will be taxed at the higher 39% rate meaning if that portion is small enough they just might only have a 1% tax hike from before the increase. And there isnt a huge difference between 1% and 3% anyway. And capital gains rates will be returned to Clinton era rates when we were just fine. The Social Security increase would only affect those making over $92,000 and from what I heard he isn't eliminating the ceiling but raising it.

And I have my problems with cap and trade but I doubt that will pass anyway. And what I'd like to do is much more unrealistic than that. But unless some miracle energy source pops up that is cheaper than oil and clean whatever we do to combat global warming will have a negative effect on the economy.

Finally someone I can have an intelligent conversation with. Thank you.

Yes these rates did all exist before , but they were lowered for a reason. If you remember around 2000 when th edot coms and nasdaq exploded we headed into a recession. These cuts were mmade to stimulate investing.

furthermore, its not the point of raising taxes that makes him socialist. Its the point of Obama wanting too much government control and intervention. While we have had higher taxes(and back in the 70's they were as high as 70% which is borderline socialism) we have never had socialized medicine and from what I have heard from most accounts thats scary.

also, we are on tenious ground with the government running corporations and financial institutions and these are the things I am speaking about.

[underdog]

Underdog, BiS, please shift your argument to some kind of a debate sans the personal attacks.

I stopped attacking, I'm just awaiting his answer of a question I've asked 3 times.

[underdog]

also, we are on tenious ground with the government running corporations and financial institutions and these are the things I am speaking about.

BUSH STARTED THIS.

I know you and your ilk want to ignore this, but the bail outs were started by your republican god.

[Bestinshow]

The Boston Tea Party was in protest of a tax cut. Everyone here gets mad because of the sheer idiocy of "tea party" groups who use the historical moment inaccurately. It was to protest taxation without representation, not to protest taxation.

Like I said before, its a catchy phrase that represents overtaxation. And since its so important to you , they didnt call it the boston tea party. Did you get this bent out of shape when Obama changed the name of military combatants and global war on terror? Or its okay than, because than its only terminology. Funny how democrats concentrate on such menial bullshit yet call conservatives whinners.

Who gives a shit, noone thinks its the boston tea party and last i checked noone is throwing anything into the bay.

[TheMojoPin]

Like I said before, its a catchy phrase that represents overtaxation. And since its so important to you , they didnt call it the boston tea party. Did you get this bent out of shape when Obama changed the name of military combatants and global war on terror?

What does the latter have to do with the former?

Or its okay than, because than its only terminology. Funny how democrats concentrate on such menial bullshit yet call conservatives whinners.

How are people "concentrating" on it? It's probably taken all of 10 minutes for people to have the discussion on the idea of "tea parties" in this thread.

Who gives a shit, noone thinks its the boston tea party and last i checked noone is throwing anything into the bay.

If you don't want to discuss the tea parties, why are you taking over a thread about them?

[Bestinshow]

Also people should do a little more research. The tax increases will be more than 1%. Its at least 3% to start with. In addition capital gains rates will increase much more for those who want to invest for their future. And if Im not mistaken, he also wants to lower the income for phase out of itemized deductions. Also the social security ceiling is supposed to be eliminated so social security taxes will be higher if Obama gets his way. And I believe its callled "cap and trade" which will put billions of dollars of extra cost on corporations for carbon dioxide restrictions which most scientists say wont make more than a 2% difference and is the same gas we exhale btw. I don't think thats going to help our emplyment picture much.

I'm quoting myself for you moron. Do I need to print larger and make spaces and use smaller words so you understand. And he also may not renew the last set of tax cuts so that also means raised taxes, Am I going to fast for you?

So now you don't have to ask a fourth time.Pretty soon you will run out of fingers and you wont know how many times you asked.

[TheMojoPin]

For the last time, knock off the personal attacks.

[Bestinshow]

What does the latter have to do with the former?



How are people "concentrating" on it? It's probably taken all of 10 minutes for people to have the discussion on the idea of "tea parties" in this thread.



If you don't want to discuss the tea parties, why are you taking over a thread about them?

Did you read the whole thread? Pages ago people were making a big deal over the name, calling conservatives stupid for calling it a tea party. thats what the former has to do with the latter. its okay to call conservatives dumb for calling their meetings "tea parties" but I dont see them calling Obama dumb for mislabeling military activity. I said who gives a shit what people call them. When did I say i didnt want to talk about them?

[TooLowBrow]

For the last time, knock off the personal attacks.

you telling them to stop is only making them do it more!!:blink::lol::blink:

[underdog]

I'm quoting myself for you moron. Do I need to print larger and make spaces and use smaller words so you understand. And he also may not renew the last set of tax cuts so that also means raised taxes, Am I going to fast for you?

So now you don't have to ask a fourth time.Pretty soon you will run out of fingers and you wont know how many times you asked.

I don't want "will be more than 1%". I want to know how much he's already raised taxes, because that's what you've said. No "will be". How much NOW. How much has he already raised?

How much has Obama already raised my taxes?

[TheMojoPin]

Did you read the whole thread? Pages ago people were making a big deal over the name, calling conservatives stupid for calling it a tea party.

No, we've been calling the people getting their history and civics completely wrong stupid. That's not "calling conservatives" as a whole anything. That's calling the people getting caught up in this misinformed nonsense stupid, many of whom are NOT conservatives.

thats what the former has to do with the latter. its okay to call conservatives dumb for calling their meetings "tea parties" but I dont see them calling Obama dumb for mislabeling military activity.

And again, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

I said who gives a shit what people call them. When did I say i didnt want to talk about them?

Saying "who gives a shit" seems to imply it's not worth talking about.

[underdog]

Did you read the whole thread? Pages ago people were making a big deal over the name, calling conservatives stupid for calling it a tea party. thats what the former has to do with the latter. its okay to call conservatives dumb for calling their meetings "tea parties" but I dont see them calling Obama dumb for mislabeling military activity. I said who gives a shit what people call them. When did I say i didnt want to talk about them?

But calling it them "tea parties" is (this is probably a word you don't know) factually wrong. Obama changing the other words is just a phrase he's changing. Just because you think it is supposed to be called something because Bush and Cheney told you doesn't make it factual.

[Bestinshow]

For the last time, knock off the personal attacks.


Sorry mojo, please dont send me to my room. I promise to be a good boy and ignore him.:clap::thumbup::innocent:

[underdog]

Sorry mojo, please dont send me to my room. I promise to be a good boy and ignore him.:clap::thumbup::innocent:

Ignoring me will be a good way for you to continue not to answer my questions.

[TheMojoPin]

Nobody has to ignore anyone. Just try and have a debate without turning it into a flame war.

[TooLowBrow]

Sorry mojo, please dont send me to my room. I promise to be a good boy and ignore him.:clap::thumbup::innocent:

BANISH HIM!!!!

[WampusCrandle]

BANISH HIM!!!!

the only ones that can do that are mods, admins. and myself. remember - we must take every case seriously, and so, it will take time before we can figure out if said person should be banned or not.

[TheMojoPin]

Wampus, please...grant us mercy. We know not what we do.

[Bestinshow]

No, we've been calling the people getting their history and civics completely wrong stupid. That's not "calling conservatives" as a whole anything. That's calling the people getting caught up in this misinformed nonsense stupid, many of whom are NOT conservatives.



And again, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.



Saying "who gives a shit" seems to imply it's not worth talking about.

And who is getting their history wrong? Do you really think that people having tea parties think they are doing it for taxation without representaion? They know exactly what it means. And what I mean by who gives a shit is whats in a name. The same atitude you seem to have about Obama changinging the labeling of terrorists into common criminals. I never implyed the meetings werent worth talking about. I clearly stated the name wasn't important.

[Bestinshow]

the only ones that can do that are mods, admins. and myself. remember - we must take every case seriously, and so, it will take time before we can figure out if said person should be banned or not.


I shall sacrifice several virgins to you to try and help my cause.

[underdog]

And who is getting their history wrong? Do you really think that people having tea parties think they are doing it for taxation without representaion?

No, because they have no fucking idea what the original "tea party" was about.

They know exactly what it means.

No, they don't.

And what I mean by who gives a shit is whats in a name. The same atitude you seem to have about Obama changinging the labeling of terrorists into common criminals. I never implyed the meetings werent worth talking about. I clearly stated the name wasn't important.

LOOK OUT BEHIND YOU! IT'S A TERRORIST!! THEY HATE OUR FREEDOM!!!

ono!

[TheMojoPin]

And who is getting their history wrong? Do you really think that people having tea parties think they are doing it for taxation without representaion? They know exactly what it means. And what I mean by who gives a shit is whats in a name. The same atitude you seem to have about Obama changinging the labeling of terrorists into common criminals. I never implyed the meetings werent worth talking about. I clearly stated the name wasn't important.

Some of us think it is "important" since the things the people are talking about protesting have zilch to do with what they're referencing. They might as well have picked a historical event at random. It belies a complete lack of information in terms of them understanding what they're protesting against and about.

And one more, Obama changing the terminology in regards to captured terrorists isn't even remotely the same.

[underdog]

Some of us think it is "important" since the things the people are talking about protesting have zilch to do with what they're referencing. They might as well have picked a historical event at random. It belies a complete lack of information in terms of them understanding what they're protesting against and about.

And one more, Obama changing the terminology in regards to captured terrorists isn't even remotely the same.

We should stage our own "Industrial Revolution" where we protest against the 2nd Amendment, seeing that Obama is taking it away anyway.

[weekapaugjz]

We should stage our own "Industrial Revolution" where we protest against the 2nd Amendment, seeing that Obama is taking it away anyway.

i'll get out my spinning jenny!

[TheMojoPin]

i'll get out my spinning jenny!

PotD.

[WampusCrandle]

Wampus, please...grant us mercy. We know not what we do.

i'll try my best, but i really would rather not.

I shall sacrifice several virgins to you to try and help my cause.

and, isn't that the true spirit of Easter?

[weekapaugjz]

PotD.

james hargreaves thanks you.

[Drunky McBetidont]

i like turtles, fuck the living kind. i like them dipped in chocolate.



http://whatscookingamerica.net/Cookie/CookiePhotos/ChocTurtles.jpg

[PapaBear]

i'll get out my spinning jenny!

PotD.

james hargreaves thanks you.
I had to Wiki that one. Little know fact... Near the town where it was invented, there are 4,000 holes.

[Bestinshow]

Some of us think it is "important" since the things the people are talking about protesting have zilch to do with what they're referencing. They might as well have picked a historical event at random. It belies a complete lack of information in terms of them understanding what they're protesting against and about.

And one more, Obama changing the terminology in regards to captured terrorists isn't even remotely the same.

there is no lack of information. You just insist on splitting hairs. The similarity exists in excess taxation and too much government which were elements of the protest. Noone is pretending its taxation without representation. And the fact that you too refer to it as "important" and call the people who don't see it your way as being stupid means you too are concentrating too much on a name. Yet (and I cant remember his new retarded terminology) you don't see any similarity in the fact that Obama clearly is labeling things inaccurately.

Obviously its adifferent subject, but its inaccurate just the same. yet noone seems to call that "stupid"

[Drunky McBetidont]

there is no lack of information. You just insist on splitting hairs. The similarity exists in excess taxation and too much government which were elements of the protest. Noone is pretending its taxation without representation. And the fact that you too refer to it as "important" and call the people who don't see it your way as being stupid means you too are concentrating too much on a name. Yet (and I cant remember his new retarded terminology) you don't see any similarity in the fact that Obama clearly is labeling things inaccurately.

Obviously its adifferent subject, but its inaccurate just the same. yet noone seems to call that "stupid"

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[TheMojoPin]

there is no lack of information. You just insist on splitting hairs. The similarity exists in excess taxation and too much government which were elements of the protest. Noone is pretending its taxation without representation.

It's still completely wrong. Look at what TheJays posted on the first page about how referencing this in regards to "overtaxation" and "too much government" totally flies in the face of what they're trying to use to define their movement.

And the fact that you too refer to it as "important" and call the people who don't see it your way as being stupid means you too are concentrating too much on a name.

I'm not concentrating on the name. Again, it indicates people being woefully misinformed on both history and the issues they claim to be protesting.

Yet (and I cant remember his new retarded terminology) you don't see any similarity in the fact that Obama clearly is labeling things inaccurately.

No, it's not the same. I'm not dwelling on subjective terminology. I'm pointing out how people are blatantly being wrong and nonsensical. Your opinion of the terrorist terminology doesn't make it incorrect whereas pointing out how the "Tea Partiers" are clearly getting the defining ideology of their movement totally wrong does actually prove how wrong they're gettng things historically and politically.

Obviously its adifferent subject, but its inaccurate just the same. yet noone seems to call that "stupid"

It's a strawman that has nothing to do with the Tea Parties.

[The Jays]

It's totally obvious that Conservatives are Nazi facist members of the Ku Klux Klan, and Liberals are freedom loving patriots. That's a fact so I don't even need evidence to back it up.

[The Jays]

Speaking of tea parties, Glenn Beck had Thomas Paine on in order to explain why we need tea parties on April 15th.

Your complacency will only aid and abet our national suicide. Remember, they wouldn't dare bomb Pearl Harbor, but they did. They wouldn't dare drive two planes into the World Trade Center, but they did. They wouldn't dare pilot a plane through the most sophisticated air defenses in the world and crash into the Pentagon, but they did. They wouldn't dare pass the largest spending bill in history, in open defiance of the will of the people*, but they did (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/becks-version-thomas-paine-compares)!

Oh man, I've been so stupid! Of course, our democratically elected Congress and President are terrorists! FINANCIAL terrorists that is! They want to spend your money, all because leading economists say that this downturn won't turn around without spending money, so these terrorists are doing the worst of the worst... spending money on things like infrastructure, on sustainable building retrofits, on updating the medical record system, giving help to the millions unemployed, on stimulating the economy by funding new jobs. That is simply Un-American!

This is exactly the idea of taxation without representation! We, as a country, elected these people to Congress, and now it's obvious that we elected the wrong people to represent us, so now we must protest because we are being taxed without having been represented by the right people. Let us get on board, people.

[Ogre]

Seriously, who gives a shit anymore? No one said anything while Clinton was bringing in a budget surplus, only to have in squandered by Bush, who sent us into two useless wars, failed to get Osama, let one of our own cities get destroyed because infrastructure wasn't invested in (since we just had to give out tax cuts) and heavily pushed to get minorities and poor people into home ownership helping to cause this housing mess. Now that there's a new guy in town, now everyone wants to protest? It pisses me off because it's basically saying, all of the things that happened under Bush were OK, but now that someone new is in town, and we've gotta give up the tax cuts on the top brackets, we have to revolt against our government, man!

Dude, you might want to fact check this..Read this entire article (http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/11/business/new-agency-proposed-to-oversee-freddie-mac-and-fannie-mae.html)and you will see that more than once under a Republican President tighter regulations were proposed for Freddie and Fannie. They were beat back by whom? Democrats who were afriad that people who could not otherwise afford to buy homes under standard conditions, were continued to be allowed to purchase homes they otherwise could not afford. NY Times is not exactly a right wing rag. Drink the Bush hating Kool-Aid all you want but the facts are there.

I say sue everybody.

[angrymissy]

I'm mad they're going down on my birthday.

DON'T THEY KNOW IT'S MY DAY!!

[The Jays]

Dude, you might want to fact check this..Read this entire article (http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/11/business/new-agency-proposed-to-oversee-freddie-mac-and-fannie-mae.html)and you will see that more than once under a Republican President tighter regulations were proposed for Freddie and Fannie. They were beat back by whom? Democrats who were afriad that people who could not otherwise afford to buy homes under standard conditions, were continued to be allowed to purchase homes they otherwise could not afford. NY Times is not exactly a right wing rag. Drink the Bush hating Kool-Aid all you want but the facts are there.

I say sue everybody.

The problem wasn't the financial products which packages mortgages into securities, which is what Fannie and Freddie manufacture. The problem stemmed from making mortgages too easy to obtain and looking past the credit histories of people in order to encourage more home ownership.

I'm going to refer you to this post from an earlier thread. (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2171429&postcount=60)

The post will reference this link, in which Bush tries to boost home ownership for minorities. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4568925/)

And then this link, from the HUD, where Bush wants to make the contracts less complex so that people will not have any trouble signing them. (http://www.hud.gov/news/speeches/presremarks.cfm)

This is aside from Alan Greenspan endorsing the Adjustable Rate Mortgage as a good way for people to own a home. (http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/fed/2004-02-23-greenspan-debt_x.htm)

[badmonkey]

The easy answer for those who are still in love with this President, those who cannot form a logical argument to defend what he stands for, the answer is to automatically ridicule and accuse the one who disagrees of Racisim.

Oldest trick in the book

I'm a staunch democrat and I don't play the race card when any criticism of Obama comes up, and quite frankly I just don't hear others play it either. That's just a ridiculous statement that isn't based in reality.


Man, people really don't like having a black president.

niggers suck, right man? i feel you.

But I'm sure you won't answer it because you have no fucking clue. You're only against him because he's a black democrat.

Obama is black.

Nah... that would never happen here.

[Ogre]

The problem wasn't the financial products which packages mortgages into securities, which is what Fannie and Freddie manufacture. The problem stemmed from making mortgages too easy to obtain and looking past the credit histories of people in order to encourage more home ownership.

I'm going to refer you to this post from an earlier thread. (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2171429&postcount=60)

The post will reference this link, in which Bush tries to boost home ownership for minorities. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4568925/)

And then this link, from the HUD, where Bush wants to make the contracts less complex so that people will not have any trouble signing them. (http://www.hud.gov/news/speeches/presremarks.cfm)

This is aside from Alan Greenspan endorsing the Adjustable Rate Mortgage as a good way for people to own a home. (http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/fed/2004-02-23-greenspan-debt_x.htm)

First off nice indirect self quote.

Second how does boosting homeownership among minorities directly translate to buyers that have unworthy credit histories? Is that the assertion your making ? It seems that you are making the inference that by trying to include minorities you weakened the overall creditworthiness of homeowning Americans. Is that what you are saying ?

Third I read President Bush's HUD speech and can not find anywhere that he states that by making more homes available to minorities the banks would lower any credit standards. They were encouraged to make deals with little or no money down. So are you trying to say that in an effort to make more homes available to minorities, then that's what caused our delimma ?

Finally Greenspan served from 1987 to 2006 for Regan, GWH Bush, Clinton and GW Bush so trying to pin his incorrect assertion as an operative of solely the Bush administration is a reach at the least. Yes Greenspan was very wrong about ARMs.

[The Jays]

What does "indirect self quoting" have to do with anything? I spent a whole other post discussing this topic, and because you failed to read it the first time, I'm now forced to link to it again to educate you on your wrong opinions.

His desire to boost home ownership for minorities resulted in the loosening of guidelines that made it hard to get mortgages in the first place. By loosening those guidelines, it led us down the slippery slope for easy mortgages which got packaged up and sold as the mortgage backed securities.

Greenspan was the Fed chairman throughout all those administrations; doesn't change the fact that he was another cause of this housing problem. To go and blame Democrats for this mess and for the solutions they propose is wrong. They are trying to put forward solutions to this mess that Bush turned a blind eye to.

Because of all this, we have to go and spend tons of money in order to get the economy going to bail out banks and the auto industry, to basically clean up this shitstorm of a mess that Bush left for us to fix, not to mention win two unwinnable wars and rebuild a city destroyed by a hurricane 4 years ago.

And somehow, Obama is the bad guy that we have to protest.

[Ogre]

http://www.redplanetcartoons.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/9192008riskyloans.gif

[The Jays]

That's what you get with Republicans in power in both houses- they get elected on promises of smaller government and they make it humongous once they get in office. At least Democrats don't lie about wanting to make government bigger.

Your opinions are wrong because I do not agree with them, and I believe they are stupid, and that is a fact.

[HBox]

The majority of subprime loans were from banks free from those regulations that made them consider minority homeowners. Banks didn't make these loans because they were forced too, they were stupid enough to think it was such a good idea that they went crazy with these loans.

[The Jays]

Even Andrew Sullivan thinks little of these tea parties.
(http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/04/time-for-tea.html)
As a fiscal conservative who actually believed in those principles when the Republicans were in power, I guess I should be happy at this phenomenon. And I would be if it had any intellectual honesty, any positive proposals, and any recognizable point. What it looks like to me is some kind of amorphous, generalized rage on the part of those who were used to running the country and now don't feel part of the culture at all. But the only word for that is: tantrum.
These are not tea-parties. They are tea-tantrums. And the adolescent, unserious hysteria is a function not of a movement regrouping and refinding itself. It's a function of a movement's intellectual collapse and a party's fast-accelerating nervous breakdown.

[foodcourtdruide]

I bet the tea parties will get as much coverage as the anti-war protests did in 2003, though the number of protestors in 2003 will have been exponentially more.

[HBox]

I bet the tea parties will get as much coverage as the anti-war protests did in 2003, though the number of protestors in 2003 will have been exponentially more.

This will be the best part: All of those people who tried to portray the 95% of peaceful Iraq war protesters as the 5% of psychopaths in the crowd are in for a not so nice surprise on the 15th.

[foodcourtdruide]

This will be the best part: All of those people who tried to portray the 95% of peaceful Iraq war protesters as the 5% of psychopaths in the crowd are in for a not so nice surprise on the 15th.

How many possible protestors will be there be across the U.S.? What would the over/under be in Vegas? 15,000 or more? I'm not good at gauging these things?

[HBox]

How many possible protestors will be there be across the U.S.? What would the over/under be in Vegas? 15,000 or more? I'm not good at gauging these things?

I don't know but since this is a weekday THOSE BUMS SHOULD GET SOME JOBS.

[booster11373]

I bet the tea parties will get as much coverage as the anti-war protests did in 2003, though the number of protestors in 2003 will have been exponentially more.

I have a feeling that FOX is going to be all over them

[foodcourtdruide]

I don't know but since this is a weekday THOSE BUMS SHOULD GET SOME JOBS.

I wonder how many of them will actually end up paying less taxes under Obama? There's a segment of the right that makes absolutely no sense to me. I guess there's a segment of the left that makes no sense to me too, but they are widely ignored by the mainstream media.

[foodcourtdruide]

I have a feeling that FOX is going to be all over them

They already are. Pretty strange stuff.

[yojimbo7248]

don't have the time at the moment to look over the thread but I have to assume there are a couple of good teabagging jokes here. I thought Jon Stewart's joke about teabagging the White House and giving the Washington Monument a blow job was lame. we have some funny people on ronfez.net. i think you all can do better.

I'm sure Fox News has caught on and no longer calls them teabaggers but it was fun while it lasted.

[keithy_19]

The other day, Beck pretended he was President Obama, and then proceeded to pour gasoline on a person playing John Q. Public and then lit a match, and said that this is what Obama is doing by pushing immigration reform. So, repub or not, he's a fucking loon. (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/glenn-beck-im-obama-ok-douses-actor)

I did not see this. Regardless, I enjoy the Beck program cause it's flashy and fun.

I hate repuvlicans, I hate democrats, they are both the same when it comes down to it.

[Ogre]

That's what you get with Republicans in power in both houses- they get elected on promises of smaller government and they make it humongous once they get in office. At least Democrats don't lie about wanting to make government bigger.

Your opinions are wrong because I do not agree with them, and I believe they are stupid, and that is a fact.

Why would you wan't to make something bigger that is broken and corrupt to begin with? I did not realize that right and wrong was through the prism of the world according to Jay. Forgive me your highness. You are intolerant of others ideas. So much for Liberals saying equality for all, (as long as it is OK with Jay) Give me a fuckin break with your self-rightous crap.

[keithy_19]

That's what you get with Republicans in power in both houses- they get elected on promises of smaller government and they make it humongous once they get in office. At least Democrats don't lie about wanting to make government bigger.


I'm fully in the bag at the moment, but I understand. The failure of the republican party is they totally backed down on their promises. Someone like myself who believes in small government will NOT call himself a republican because they just want big government just like the democrats. I don't want government in my life. The less they are the better I feel.

If I may say so, I'm more eloquent when inebriated.

[keithy_19]

Why would you wan't to make something bigger that is broken and corrupt to begin with? I did not realize that right and wrong was through the prism of the world according to Jay. Forgive me your highness. You are intolerant of others ideas. So much for Liberals saying equality for all, (as long as it is OK with Jay) Give me a fuckin break with your self-rightous crap.

I think what Jay meant to say was that becaus he has his beliefs, the beliefs you have are inheriantly wrong. It makes sense. If someone is for abortion and I', against, the person who is for is wrong.

God am I quite the pacifist today.

[The Jays]

No, I meant what I said. In my mind, everything I say is correct and infallible. Therefore, unless someone agrees with everything I say, they are completely wrong and their opinions are stupid, bordering on retarded, but never fully retarded, because you never go full retard.

That is a fact.

[The Jays]

Oh, and I am not a liberal. I believe that the governments #1 responsibility is to protect the life and well-being of its citizens, which the Republican party has failed to do in 3 major instances over the past 9 years, those being 9/11, the Iraq conflict, and Hurricane Katrina.
I am fully support of the rights of the individual, am against any government intrusion into my personal life, and I am for using the marketplace of ideas to solve problems whenever possible.

However, when the market completely and utterly fails the people, IE healthcare, manipulation of stock markets, I am for regulation and/or government assistance until the market can handle such issues on there, such as with space exploration... once was a government only industry, now is on the path towards free market industry.

[epo]

I wonder how many of them will actually end up paying less taxes under Obama? There's a segment of the right that makes absolutely no sense to me. I guess there's a segment of the left that makes no sense to me too, but they are widely ignored by the mainstream media.

IGNORED POINT of the thread.

[The Jays]

I don't know if that's an ignored point... I mean, most of us are for Obama because he's going to lower the taxes for the middle class and bring the top tax bracket back to Clinton levels. I think most Republicans are delusional and they believe they all make over $250,000 per year therefore they will be very affected by this tax increase.

[Coach]

At the Tea-Baggers' Meeting: Brainwashing Devices Are Coming
I saw this headline and had to post it..it's a blog, I know.

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2009/04/11/at-the-tea-baggers-meeting-brainwashing-devices-are-coming/

[keithy_19]

Oh, and I am not a liberal. I believe that the governments #1 responsibility is to protect the life and well-being of its citizens, which the Republican party has failed to do in 3 major instances over the past 9 years, those being 9/11, the Iraq conflict, and Hurricane Katrina.

I disagree with you when it comes to 9/11. It happened under a republican president/congress, but the build up for this was many years in the making. To simply say it is squarely on the shoulders of republicans seems slightly ignorant to me.

[The Jays]

They had the intel. They felt they had more important things to do. And since then, Osama is still at large.

[The Jays]

At the same meeting, they want to burn all college textbooks because they talk about evolution.

This is what the Republican party has been reduced to, a bunch of losers who claim we're all going to be controlled by a one world government that is going to make us give up all of our possessions to the government and will force upon us an atheistic, homosexual and immigrant agenda, while taking all of our guns away.

They actually believe that. The Republican party on par with Scientology, and it is truely pathetic. This was once the party of Lincoln, of Eisenhower, and now its the party of, who, John Boehner? Bobby Jindal? Michelle Bachmann?

[Ogre]

At the same meeting, they want to burn all college textbooks because they talk about evolution.

This is what the Republican party has been reduced to, a bunch of losers who claim we're all going to be controlled by a one world government that is going to make us give up all of our possessions to the government and will force upon us an atheistic, homosexual and immigrant agenda, while taking all of our guns away.

They actually believe that. The Republican party on par with Scientology, and it is truely pathetic. This was once the party of Lincoln, of Eisenhower, and now its the party of, who, John Boehner? Bobby Jindal? Michelle Bachmann?

Happy Easter Jay. I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. I believe that he died for our sins on the cross. If that makes me a right wing religous loon in your eyes, then I am happy to give you a target. I would expect nothing less than ridicule for my beliefs, but if it makes you sleep better at night to hate people like me, then happy to oblige. I'll pray for you too.
The difference between you and I is that in my eyes, your opinion has value. We all have value, and these values are open to discussion in a civil society.

[Stankfoot]

I predict these "Tea Parties" will look a lot like the parking lot at a Jimmy Buffett concert:


http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a350/stankfoot/4parrotheads.jpg

[angrymissy]

Happy Easter Jay. I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. I believe that he died for our sins on the cross. If that makes me a right wing religous loon in your eyes, then I am happy to give you a target. I would expect nothing less than ridicule for my beliefs, but if it makes you sleep better at night to hate people like me, then happy to oblige. I'll pray for you too.
The difference between you and I is that in my eyes, your opinion has value. We all have value, and these values are open to discussion in a civil society.

Do you believe in burning books that teach evolution?

I don't think all religious people are RW loonies... I have family members who are strict Catholics, and friends as well, but the difference is, they keep their beliefs to themselves and respect that fact that other people might not agree with them.

It's the people that want to push their religion on others (to the point of book burning) that are the problem.

[epo]

I did not see this. Regardless, I enjoy the Beck program cause it's flashy and fun.


Watching the mentally unstable and laughing at them is cruel.

[A.J.]

Watching the mentally unstable and laughing at them is cruel.

Unless it's a thread started by Gvac.

[IMSlacker]

My daughter had a tea party for her fifth birthday. It was adorable. I don't see what the problem is.

[Ogre]

Do you believe in burning books that teach evolution?

I don't think all religious people are RW loonies... I have family members who are strict Catholics, and friends as well, but the difference is, they keep their beliefs to themselves and respect that fact that other people might not agree with them.

It's the people that want to push their religion on others (to the point of book burning) that are the problem.

No Missy I do not think any books should be burned. My point is that making sweeping assumptions and generalizations about people when faith comes into a discussion, is no different that making those same assumptions and generalizations about someone based on skin color. Somehow it is ok to mock and ridacule someone based on thier Christian faith, like somehow to be Christian is a personality defect. Instead of realizing that groups like Westboro Baptist Church are misguided zealots, in the atheist and agnostic minds this groups' abhorrent behavior is automatically attached to the Christian right.

Now you take ALQueda and Radical Islam and you make the same broad sweeping generalizations, would would be painted by the Liberal Left as racist and bigoted. Why the double standard?

Why cause it aint cool to be Christian...It aint Hip, it aint Chic. Madison Ave. and Sunset Blvd. look down upon someone not being afraid to admit they love the Lord. There is no crisis, no sizzle that's why the mainstream media has no use for it, other than to belittle believers as zealots.

Huge doublestandard here. But that's cool. I won't force my beliefs on you and likewise. It's easy to bully someone that bears no ill will in thier heart towards thier attacker.

[booster11373]

No Missy I do not think any books should be burned. My point is that making sweeping assumptions and generalizations about people when faith comes into a discussion, is no different that making those same assumptions and generalizations about someone based on skin color. Somehow it is ok to mock and ridacule someone based on thier Christian faith, like somehow to be Christian is a personality defect. Instead of realizing that groups like Westboro Baptist Church are misguided zealots, in the atheist and agnostic minds this groups' abhorrent behavior is automatically attached to the Christian right.

Now you take ALQueda and Radical Islam and you make the same broad sweeping generalizations, would would be painted by the Liberal Left as racist and bigoted. Why the double standard?

Why cause it aint cool to be Christian...It aint Hip, it aint Chic and it sure and Madison Ave. and Sunset Blvd. look down upon someone not being afraid to admit they love the Lord. There is no crisis, no sizzle that's why the mainstream media has no use for it, other than to belittle believers as zealots.

Huge doublestandard here. It's easy to bully someone that bears no ill will in thier heart towards thier attacker.

You sure fill out that other Christian stereotype of whine whine whine, boo hoo Hollywood makes fun of us boo hoo Madison Ave makes fun of us it total BS and I think you might know it, there has been a ton of new "Christian" entertainment companies founded in this country and they make money. If Christians have had any consistent belief it is their constant persecution complex

And it is also fair to paint Westboro with the same brush as all the other believers you use the same book, you pray to the same god, Furthermore you the Christians bend over backwards to remind us how this is a christian nation founded on christian beliefs

[Furtherman]

Why cause it aint cool to be Christian...It aint Hip, it aint Chic. Madison Ave. and Sunset Blvd. look down upon someone not being afraid to admit they love the Lord. There is no crisis, no sizzle that's why the mainstream media has no use for it, other than to belittle believers as zealots.

Every news channel today opened up with various local Easter masses and the Pope saying mass. I didn't hear any giggles nor as much as a little belittlin'.

I think a huge problem is thinking that "Madison Ave. and Sunset Blvd." have such a strong influence that what they "label" as "hip" resonates across the land like a town crier yelling such labels as fact.

That is an inflated concept that has no basis in reality.

However, there are talking heads out there that will tell you such things to give you a rise in false outrage.

There are people on "Madison Ave. and Sunset Blvd." who are religious. There are people in the "bible belt" who are not. There is NO need to seperate these people into bogus sects that other people use in arguments to put another group of people down.

[TheMojoPin]

And it is also fair to paint Westboro with the same brush as all the other believers you use the same book, you pray to the same god, Furthermore you the Christians bend over backwards to remind us how this is a christian nation founded on christian beliefs

That's not really fair at all. The various interpretations and practices are vastly different.

And I think what TheJays is referring to is how much of the Republican party seems to be catering to Evangelicals and fundamentalists as if they're "the" Christians or the representatives of Christians as a whole.

[underdog]

Somehow it is ok to mock and ridacule someone based on thier Christian faith, like somehow to be Christian is a personality defect. Instead of realizing that groups like Westboro Baptist Church are misguided zealots, in the atheist and agnostic minds this groups' abhorrent behavior is automatically attached to the Christian right.

Now you take ALQueda and Radical Islam and you make the same broad sweeping generalizations, would would be painted by the Liberal Left as racist and bigoted. Why the double standard?

I just lump all religious people in together. Christians, Muslims, Scientologists. You all sound exactly like Shirley Phelps-Roper to me.

Why cause it aint cool to be Christian...It aint Hip, it aint Chic. Madison Ave. and Sunset Blvd. look down upon someone not being afraid to admit they love the Lord. There is no crisis, no sizzle that's why the mainstream media has no use for it, other than to belittle believers as zealots.

Ew.

You're Christian. Your religion basically won. Stop whining.

[jauble]

What about the people on main st that I heard about so much before?

[HBox]

What about the people on main st that I heard about so much before?

I don't know, something about people on Wall Street going down on them or something.

[Ogre]

Lots and Lots of venom here. Good luck with your lives and may peace be with you.

[foodcourtdruide]

As a non-christian, but very religious person its always so odd to hear christians talk about how they are mistreated in this country. It would be like the Yankees complaining about the Royals payroll.
And why don't more Christians speak out against those who pervert their faith? The phelps-ropers #1 enemy should be other Christians, but I don't get that vibe at all.

[TheMojoPin]

As a non-christian, but very religious person its always so odd to hear christians talk about how they are mistreated in this country. It would be like the Yankees complaining about the Royals payroll.
And why don't more Christians speak out against those who pervert their faith? The phelps-ropers #1 enemy should be other Christians, but I don't get that vibe at all.

This is true.

Also, wouldn't these same people be up in arms if politcians allowed Islam or Judasm or Buddhism or Hinduism influence how they govern?

[booster11373]

That's not really fair at all. The various interpretations and practices are vastly different.

And I think what TheJays is referring to is how much of the Republican party seems to be catering to Evangelicals and fundamentalists as if they're "the" Christians or the representatives of Christians as a whole.

I have to disagree at least in my eyes and alot of other Athiests as well, Moderate believers make the fundementalism of your Westboros possible

[TheMojoPin]

I have to disagree at least in my eyes and alot of other Athiests as well, Moderate believers make the fundementalism of your Westboros possible

How does that work?

If someone is off just being a normal Christian and not subscribing to that crap or trying to force anything on anyone else, how are they at fault?

Tha's same kind of anti-logi that slams moderate Muslims for not "doing more" about radical Muslims. Why are the everyday people who have chosen to NOT follow the extremist garbage obligated to do anything those who have?

[booster11373]

How does that work?

If someone is off just being a normal Christian and not subscribing to that crap or trying to force anything on anyone else, how are they at fault?

Tha's same kind of anti-logi that slams moderate Muslims for not "doing more" about radical Muslims. Why are the everyday people who have chosen to NOT follow the extremist garbage obligated to do anything those who have?

Im not sure of your beliefs, but here is the main point of mine, you either believe in a supernatural or you dont, if you do believe in a supernatural then I put you in the same catogory as all believers. This is the broad stroke that I paint all believers with sorry

[booster11373]

Getting back to the Tea Parties, wouldnt you want as broad a base as possible to voice your protest, why do these types of events attract the book burning, anti gay crowd? smaller goverment would not seem to co-exist with those views for me

[jauble]

Im not sure of your beliefs, but here is the main point of mine, you either believe in a supernatural or you dont, if you do believe in a supernatural then I put you in the same catogory as all believers. This is the broad stroke that I paint all believers with sorry

Good point...everyone associated with something is part of the worst of said thing.

[Ogre]

Good point...everyone associated with something is part of the worst of said thing.

Is not that bigoted or prejudicial thinking? I am just asking not atacking. Do we really automatically see the worst of people then have to have them disprove our predjudices before we accept and value them as equals in our minds?

[Ogre]

Getting back to the Tea Parties, wouldnt you want as broad a base as possible to voice your protest, why do these types of events attract the book burning, anti gay crowd? smaller goverment would not seem to co-exist with those views for me

Regarding the Tea Parties, I think that the current Congress, (since about 2004 some much much longer in office.) is a bunch of bought and paid for criminals. Yes this exists on both sides of the aisle. President Bush had his lobbies and President Obama has his. It was recently at an AFL-CIO event in Miami that Delaware Joe declared he was "dancing with those who brought them to the dance." So yes there has to be a real wholesale "Change", but one that is real. Not masking change as fueling the corrupt machine at a much higher rate. If Government had to run itself by the same rules that a Business owner has to abide by staying profitable and having accountability, then it would be different. We all know the fraud and waste that goes on with Govt spending, be it Bombs or Baby Care, shoveling more money into the furnace is not the answer. Did not think much of the idea when it was Bush's and Paulson's and I don't think much of it now.

As for dumping bags of tea into the Potomac, well it just seems silly.

[TheMojoPin]

Is not that bigoted or prejudicial thinking? I am just asking not atacking. Do we really automatically see the worst of people then have to have them disprove our predjudices before we accept and value them as equals in our minds?

jauble was clearly being sarcastic.

[jauble]

jauble was clearly being sarcastic.

I will also be selling cotton candy.

[Kevin]

I will also be selling cotton candy.



Two please.

[underdog]

As a non-christian, but very religious person its always so odd to hear christians talk about how they are mistreated in this country. It would be like the Yankees complaining about the Royals payroll.
And why don't more Christians speak out against those who pervert their faith? The phelps-ropers #1 enemy should be other Christians, but I don't get that vibe at all.

I'm pretty sure its usually Christians yelling about Muslims not speaking out against their extremists, too.

[The Jays]

Happy Easter Jay. I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. I believe that he died for our sins on the cross. If that makes me a right wing religous loon in your eyes, then I am happy to give you a target. I would expect nothing less than ridicule for my beliefs, but if it makes you sleep better at night to hate people like me, then happy to oblige. I'll pray for you too.
The difference between you and I is that in my eyes, your opinion has value. We all have value, and these values are open to discussion in a civil society.

WHOOOOAA, way to jump to conclusions, buddy. Did you buy a mat from Tom Smykowski
or did you jump to them from your own accord?

I said nothing about how being a Christian somehow means you are a right wing loon. The post you quoted mentioned the current right wing fight against an alleged atheist homosexual and immigrant agenda that these tea party goers seems to be a part of, and that Michelle Malkin and Glenn Beck encourage.

I myself am a Catholic. I was brought up in Catholic education until college. I was taught by nuns and LaSallian brothers, people who have devoted their lives to God. Those happened to be the same people that taught me about the mysteries of this grand universe, such as natural physics, chemistry, and biology, how special we are to have evolved into the unique animals we call human beings, people that taught me about the great literature of the 20th century such as Orwell, Huxley, and Joyce. Because I was taught by such God-loving, smart people, it sickens me that the party I used to be a part of has been hijacked by Fundamentalist-Evangelical "Christian" ideologues who denounce evolution as being anti-God and resort to calling for the burning of books and even claim that digital television converters are brain-washing machines.

So, I appreciate that you pray for me. I pray for you to find guidance and to control your vitriol against people who have voted people into office in the hopes of correcting the problems that the Republican party have caused.

[Drunky McBetidont]

jesus ruined everything, again. :(

[HBox]

jesus ruined everything, again. :(

Wine my ass. He turned water into shit. Through his butt. With diarrhea.

[The Jays]

Jesus died for everyone's sins, except for Republican sins. They will never be free of sins, because it was Republicans who killed Jesus.

[jauble]

Jesus died for everyone's sins, except for Republican sins. They will never be free of sins, because it was Republicans who killed Jesus.

I thought "those filthy christ killers" lived in blue states. Something new everyday.

[HBox]

I thought "those filthy christ killers" lived in blue states. Something new everyday.

That's what they wanted you to think. They are shifty, those ones.

[The Jays]

That's what they wanted you to think. They are shifty, those ones.

No, it's to the Red States advantage for them to convince everyone that blue staters killed Jesus Christ, when in fact, the opposite is true, that Republicans killed Jesus Christ because he was of Jewish descent, and not Christian. It's all a ruse just to get the Christian vote on their side. It's sick, really.

[jauble]

No, it's to the Red States advantage for them to convince everyone that blue staters killed Jesus Christ, when in fact, the opposite is true, that Republicans killed Jesus Christ because he was of Jewish descent, and not Christian. It's all a ruse just to get the Christian vote on their side. It's sick, really.

Those were thinking ahead mother fuckers, we shall call him christ and then we shall call his followers christians. Also (aside) we are terrified of the sea and we still hold it against the egyptians.

[The Jays]

It's a crazy party. They also starter slavery in the South on purpose, just so that they could get a guy elected President and to plunge this country into Civil War, all to make the Democrats the evil party.

[jauble]

It's a crazy party. They also starter slavery in the South on purpose, just so that they could get a guy elected President and to plunge this country into Civil War, all to make the Democrats the evil party.

See I went to a convention once and they had a grand old history of the GOP section, apparently the made feminists and coined the term afro-american.

[Drunky McBetidont]

rome was a republic, so yeah, technically the republicans killed jesus.
fucking romans ruined everything, again.

[The Jays]

You know who else had Republicans? Saddam Hussein.

In fact, he had a Republican Guard, and they were responsible for all sorts of atrocities.

You know who was a member of that Guard? Sayid Jarrah.

That's right, THE Sayid Jarrah, of the Oceanic 6. He was so evil that he shot Benjamin Linus, when he was just a boy.

[Drunky McBetidont]

You know who else had Republicans? Saddam Hussein.

In fact, he had a Republican Guard, and they were responsible for all sorts of atrocities.

You know who was a member of that Guard? Sayid Jarrah.

That's right, THE Sayid Jarrah, of the Oceanic 6. He was so evil that he shot Benjamin Linus, when he was just a boy.

maybe we should take this to the prejudices thread? :dry:

[underdog]

Go see Glen Beck on his COMEDY TOUR (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090412/ap_on_en_tv/tv_beck_s_tour;_ylt=AsZUMzEAEEjc4OoUF8oSL2JxFb8C)

THIS ISN'T A JOKE.

Beck calls his act a "poor man's Seinfeld" and intends to mix topical humor with his modern-day reimagining of Thomas Paine's 1776 pamphlet "Common Sense."

[epo]

In today's NY Times, (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/13/opinion/13krugman.html?_r=1) Paul Krugman not only kills the Republican Party for its current status, but also delivers this nugget about the Tea Parties:

Last but not least: it turns out that the tea parties don’t represent a spontaneous outpouring of public sentiment. They’re AstroTurf (fake grass roots) events, manufactured by the usual suspects. In particular, a key role is being played by FreedomWorks, an organization run by Richard Armey, the former House majority leader, and supported by the usual group of right-wing billionaires. And the parties are, of course, being promoted heavily by Fox News.

Dick Armey was Newt Gingrich's sidekick in the "Contract for America" in the 90s. Get your cotton candy, as the spin machine is in town.

[razorboy]

fucking romans ruined everything, again.

Hey, not all Romans are bad.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c297/razorboy_/romangabrielpf-1.jpg

[badmonkey]

In today's NY Times, (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/13/opinion/13krugman.html?_r=1) Paul Krugman not only kills the Republican Party for its current status, but also delivers this nugget about the Tea Parties:



Dick Armey was Newt Gingrich's sidekick in the "Contract for America" in the 90s. Get your cotton candy, as the spin machine is in town.

Surely you don't think that hundreds of thousands of Americans are going to just suddenly start showing up in city centers slinging tea bags around because they all just thought of it all of a sudden on the same day. Do you think all the anti-war protesters wake up in the morning on protest day and think... "I'm mad as hell and today's the day I'm going to make a sign and go downtown!" and then "holy crap! look at all the thousands of other people that spontaneously showed up today with their own signs! This couldn't have been better if somebody had organized it!". There are always people involved in organizing this stuff at some level. Join their mailing list so you can be aware of when they're going to try and fuck up traffic in your area, I did. (http://answer.pephost.org/site/Survey?SURVEY_ID=1440&ACTION_REQUIRED=URI_ACTION_USER_REQUESTS)

You and Krugman should read about the current tea party movement somewhere other than the Huffington Post. I've heard Glenn Beck say several times already that these are not supposed to be anti-Obama rallies and people that are just there to protest Obama have missed the point entirely. The protests you say are true "grassroots" attract just as many wackos and nutjobs as this Tea Party protest. We all know that the anarchists that are provoking police, setting fires, breaking windows, and trashing businesses at the anti-war and WTO protests are ruining it for the majority that show up to peacefully demonstrate. It's disingenuous for you to whine about how you are misrepresented and then try to lump everybody involved here together as wackos. You can pretend that nobody's ever showed up at an Anti-Iraq War rally with Palestinian flags screaming about evil Israel. It's a protest. People are going to show up with smaller agendas hoping to get camera time just like they do at every other protest.

The historical accuracy part of this Tea Party movement is that it these Americans have had enough and want to show the govt that they are fed up with them all. That was the ultimate message of the Boston Tea Party and it's the message this time as well. They are protesting the government, which includes both the Republican and the Democratic parties.

You can always tell when people like Krugman are afraid of something. They immediately use every available resource to define it as something that only a nutjob wacko conservative would be involved with and anybody that attends should be ridiculed and laughed at. It's also interesting that everything said here about Glenn Beck and the Tea Parties is almost word for word lifted from the Huffington Post articles. I thought you guys are the ones that think for yourselves while the conservatives are all sheep.

Here's some helpful links for information about two of your new favorite topics, Glenn Beck and the 912Project:

Glen Beck's website
http://www.glennbeck.com/index.php
Beck uses a LOT of sarcasm on his show. Try watching the show rather than just the out of context short clips or text quotes on Huffington and Media Matters.

The 912 Project Website
http://www.the912project.com/
You can just read about it here yourself.

"The 9-12 Project is designed to bring us all back to the place we were on September 12, 2001. The day after America was attacked we were not obsessed with Red States, Blue States, or political parties. We were united as Americans, standing together to protect the values and principles of the greatest nation ever created."

Could somebody please explain what is wrong with that quote?

Badmonkey

[epo]

Surely you don't think that hundreds of thousands of Americans are going to just suddenly start showing up in city centers slinging tea bags around because they all just thought of it all of a sudden on the same day. Do you think all the anti-war protesters wake up in the morning on protest day and think... "I'm mad as hell and today's the day I'm going to make a sign and go downtown!" and then "holy crap! look at all the thousands of other people that spontaneously showed up today with their own signs! This couldn't have been better if somebody had organized it!". There are always people involved in organizing this stuff at some level. Join their mailing list so you can be aware of when they're going to try and fuck up traffic in your area, I did. (http://answer.pephost.org/site/Survey?SURVEY_ID=1440&ACTION_REQUIRED=URI_ACTION_USER_REQUESTS)

You and Krugman should read about the current tea party movement somewhere other than the Huffington Post. I've heard Glenn Beck say several times already that these are not supposed to be anti-Obama rallies and people that are just there to protest Obama have missed the point entirely. The protests you say are true "grassroots" attract just as many wackos and nutjobs as this Tea Party protest. We all know that the anarchists that are provoking police, setting fires, breaking windows, and trashing businesses at the anti-war and WTO protests are ruining it for the majority that show up to peacefully demonstrate. It's disingenuous for you to whine about how you are misrepresented and then try to lump everybody involved here together as wackos. You can pretend that nobody's ever showed up at an Anti-Iraq War rally with Palestinian flags screaming about evil Israel. It's a protest. People are going to show up with smaller agendas hoping to get camera time just like they do at every other protest.

The historical accuracy part of this Tea Party movement is that it these Americans have had enough and want to show the govt that they are fed up with them all. That was the ultimate message of the Boston Tea Party and it's the message this time as well. They are protesting the government, which includes both the Republican and the Democratic parties.

You can always tell when people like Krugman are afraid of something. They immediately use every available resource to define it as something that only a nutjob wacko conservative would be involved with and anybody that attends should be ridiculed and laughed at. It's also interesting that everything said here about Glenn Beck and the Tea Parties is almost word for word lifted from the Huffington Post articles. I thought you guys are the ones that think for yourselves while the conservatives are all sheep.

Here's some helpful links for information about two of your new favorite topics, Glenn Beck and the 912Project:

Glen Beck's website
http://www.glennbeck.com/index.php
Beck uses a LOT of sarcasm on his show. Try watching the show rather than just the out of context short clips or text quotes on Huffington and Media Matters.

The 912 Project Website
http://www.the912project.com/
You can just read about it here yourself.

"The 9-12 Project is designed to bring us all back to the place we were on September 12, 2001. The day after America was attacked we were not obsessed with Red States, Blue States, or political parties. We were united as Americans, standing together to protect the values and principles of the greatest nation ever created."

Could somebody please explain what is wrong with that quote?

Badmonkey

So you are using Glenn Beck as a source? I want that made clear.

And for the record I really don't read the Huffington Post. Sorry about your assumption being false.

[badmonkey]

So you are using Glenn Beck as a source? I want that made clear.

And for the record I really don't read the Huffington Post. Sorry about your assumption being false.



For Glenn Beck's opinions and information about his program... Yes. I tend to think that people like him that put their thoughts and ideas out there for public consumption, tend to use their webspaces for that. If you want to know what he thinks and what he's saying, it's probably there.

So you are admitting that you require somebody else to process Beck's opinions for you and tell you what to think? I want that made clear.

[foodcourtdruide]

So come on, I'm really dying to know, what is the over/under for the amount of people that participate in these tea parties?