arrrrr pirates be ware

[disneyspy]

pirates seize frieghter,americans onboard story here

Somali pirates hijack ship; 20 Americans aboard
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NAIROBI, Kenya – Somali pirates on Wednesday hijacked a U.S.-flagged cargo ship with 20 American crew members onboard, the shipping company said.

The 17,000-ton Maersk Alabama was carrying emergency relief to Mombasa, Kenya, when it was hijacked, said Peter Beck-Bang, spokesman for the Copenhagen-based container shipping group A.P. Moller-Maersk.

In a statement, the company confirmed that the U.S.-flagged vessel has 20 U.S. nationals onboard.

Cmdr. Jane Campbell, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Navy's Bahrain-based 5th Fleet, said that it was the first pirate attack "involving U.S. nationals and a U.S.-flagged vessel in recent memory." She did not give an exact timeframe.

[A.J.]

I blame Furtherman for this.

[RhinoinMN]

I blame Furtherman for this.

I blame Ferdinand.

[Furtherman]

I blame Furtherman for this.

I blame Ferdinand.

I be no whare nare thar!!!

[Aggie]

pirates seize frieghter,americans onboard story here

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NAIROBI, Kenya – Somali pirates on Wednesday hijacked a U.S.-flagged cargo ship with 20 American crew members onboard, the shipping company said.

The 17,000-ton Maersk Alabama was carrying emergency relief to Mombasa, Kenya, when it was hijacked, said Peter Beck-Bang, spokesman for the Copenhagen-based container shipping group A.P. Moller-Maersk.

In a statement, the company confirmed that the U.S.-flagged vessel has 20 U.S. nationals onboard.

Cmdr. Jane Campbell, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Navy's Bahrain-based 5th Fleet, said that it was the first pirate attack "involving U.S. nationals and a U.S.-flagged vessel in recent memory." She did not give an exact timeframe.

Poor dis, you'll learn how to post/link a story one day!!

[disneyspy]

Poor dis, you'll learn how to post/link a story one day!!

arrrrrrrrr,lassie

[Furtherman]

Yer clutter tis worthy of a keel haulin' spieeeeeee!

[RhinoinMN]

I be no whare nare thar!!!

Alas it be ......FERNANDO!

[Thebazile78]

Alas it be ......FERNANDO!


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Yes, that's a video of ABBA singing their song, Fernando.

[HBox]

AMERICA..... FUCK YEAH! (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30103371/)

Pentagon officials said Wednesday that the American crew of a U.S.-flagged cargo ship had retaken control from Somali pirates who hijacked the vessel far off the Horn of Africa.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because information was still preliminary. But they said the hijacked crew had apparently contacted the private company that operates the ship.

[Aggie]

Don't mess with Team Zissou!

http://thecia.com.au/reviews/l/images/life-aquatic-with-steve-zissou-7.jpg

[A.J.]

AMERICA..... FUCK YEAH! (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30103371/)

If true I hope they were dumped overboard and eaten by sharks.

[disneyspy]

AMERICA..... FUCK YEAH! (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30103371/)

hell yes! this should be a movie starring bruce willis

[Fez4PrezN2008]

Its almost inexcusable that the Seals did not just open up and mow down everything on that damn boat the millisecond the Cpt was in the water. Disappointing. :thumbdown: C'mon Seals...

[A.J.]

Its almost inexcusable that the Seals did not just open up and mow down everything on that damn boat the millisecond the Cpt was in the water. Disappointing. :thumbdown: C'mon Seals...

They're a little busy in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[disneyspy]

the pirates aren't going anywhere,if i was the company i'd stop negotiations now and say give us back our captain or die

[Fez4PrezN2008]

They're a little busy in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The Seals? Last time I checked, it was kinda difficult to scuba dive in a sand dune. Besides, they are on the scene.

[Snoogans]

The lifeboat was drifting at sea after running out of fuel, and the pirates have vowed to fight any attack by U.S. naval forces stalking them at high sea.

"We are not afraid of the Americans," one of the pirates told Reuters by satellite phone on behalf of the gang holding Phillips in the Indian Ocean. "We will defend ourselves if attacked."

from a lifeboat, if attacked from our navy, its all over

[disneyspy]

The Seals? Last time I checked, it was kinda difficult to scuba dive in a sand dune. Besides, they are on the scene.

sand dune? they're miles away from shore with no propulsion and a US naval vessel in the way

[Snoogans]

The Seals? Last time I checked, it was kinda difficult to scuba dive in a sand dune. Besides, they are on the scene.

last time I checked, seals do come on land to fight. they just usually do it through the water

[Fez4PrezN2008]

sand dune? they're miles away from shore with no propulsion and a US naval vessel in the way
DS - AJ said the Seals were tied up in [landlocked] Iraq and Afghanistan... Have you people started drinking early?

[Fez4PrezN2008]

last time I checked, seals do come on land to fight. they just usually do it through the water
I think you need to cam up and do a tip for them so they will stop being fucking pussies and do some hero shit.

[Snoogans]

I think you need to cam up and do a tip for them so they will stop being fucking pussies and do some hero shit.

I think im the last person who would have any right to tell a navy seal he is a pussy

[disneyspy]

DS - AJ said the Seals were tied up in [landlocked] Iraq and Afghanistan... Have you people started drinking early?

well the gov't hasnt released any info so all im gettin is the rueters feed but the USS halyburton is shadowing the lifeboat,and a seal team coulda left california and been on board in less than 12 hours,ive read enuf tom clancy to know thats true

[Furtherman]

Captain tried to escape pirates, pirates jumped into water and recaptured captain, official says. (http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa/04/10/somalia.u.s.ship/index.html)


Phillips was believed to be trying to swim to the USS Bainbridge, a naval warship that is in communication with the gunmen holding Phillips off Somalia's coast, the official said.

The pirates jumped into the water, recaptured him, and returned him to the lifeboat, according to the official.

The U.S. military has every reason to believe that he was unharmed in the incident, the official said.

Phillips has been held since Wednesday, when the hijackers briefly seized control of his ship, the Maersk Alabama.

He is being held by four gunmen in the lifeboat about 300 miles off the Horn of Africa.

Meanwhile, two U.S. warships were on their way Friday to help the crew of the Bainbridge secure Phillips' release.

Situation is getting worse.

[Fez4PrezN2008]

Captain tried to escape pirates, pirates jumped into water and recaptured captain, official says. (http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa/04/10/somalia.u.s.ship/index.html)




Situation is getting worse.
Maybe they should poke holes in the hull from underneath, everybody is in the drink, scoop up the Cpt, leave the rest to drown. Case closed.

[Hottub]

The mightiest Navy in the world, and we can't get one guy from a rowboat?

[Fez4PrezN2008]

I can't believe they don't have a couple lockers full of AR-15's on these cargo ships. That talk about the gas vapor on tankers could ignite sounds like BS. If the vapor was that bad then the crew's health would be at risk just breathing. I think it goes back to the pussification of America and being boxed in by frivolous law suits. At least give the crews of these ships equal force. Kill off a few dozen pirate speed boats and I think they would get the idea pretty quickly.

[disneyspy]

The mightiest Navy in the world, and we can't get one guy from a rowboat?

the pirates have 4 stolen ships headin to the rowboat,we have 12 naval vessels headin there,the stolen boats have captives on board from a dozen different countries,the only american is the captain on the life boat,we have to set the example,blow those 4 lifeboat pirates away then attack the captured boats and rescue as many hostages as possible

[A.J.]

The Seals? Last time I checked, it was kinda difficult to scuba dive in a sand dune. Besides, they are on the scene.

You realize that SEAL means Sea, Air and Land? A couple even earned Medals of Honor.

[A.J.]

The mightiest Navy in the world, and we can't get one guy from a rowboat?

See the USS Cole incident. We're working on it.

Plus 5th Fleet is a little busy right now supporting 2 wars. It's hard to divert the requisite ships to do anti-piracy patrols.

[ChrisTheCop]

Since I'm not a Navy man, I wont second guess their actions thus far.
I have no idea how theyll do it, but the US Navy will win in the end.

Similar to DisneySpy's last post, there may be some good guy casualties, but the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. (someone should use that in a movie).

It's hard to believe that this will end without some blood shed.

I do find it odd that the president has not made any comment, but is said to be monitoring the situation. Maybe he's afraid he might call the pirates retarded.

Obama supporters will say it's refreshing that we have a president who doesnt go all cowboy on things and comment out of turn, but its been (at least) 2 days. An American is being held captive, and the Navy is involved. Maybe our leader should make a statement or answer reporters queries. Previous administrations have been chastised for being too secretive.

[A.J.]

The best way to stop this piracy is to blockade Somalia.

[disneyspy]

it'd be great if he said he bowled like a pirate

[disneyspy]

The best way to stop this piracy is to blockade Somalia.

its 1.1 million miles of coast,kinda hard to do,and besides the canadian navy there isnt any naval pressense in the area,yes i said canadian navy

[Furtherman]

its 1.1 million miles of coast,kinda hard to do,and besides the canadian navy there isnt any naval pressense in the area,yes i said canadian navy

1.1 million miles? Wow. That's one big beach.

Edit: Canadian. Ahh. I'm confused.

[A.J.]

its 1.1 million miles of coast,kinda hard to do,and besides the canadian navy there isnt any naval pressense in the area,yes i said canadian navy

There are several countries in the region on patrol including the Indians -- who blew the shit out of a pirate boat.

[Hottub]

its 1.1 million miles of coast,kinda hard to do,and besides the canadian navy there isnt any naval pressense in the area,yes i said canadian navy

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[disneyspy]

my bad square miles heres part of why i misquoted


The show of force follows an increase in the number of attacks and the first on a U.S.-flagged ship. The vessels strengthen surveillance of the area and may dissuade pirates from seizing another ship, but there are not enough for a blockade in the danger zone that sprawls across 1.1 million square miles, said a senior U.S. defense official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss operational matters.

[TheMojoPin]

I do find it odd that the president has not made any comment, but is said to be monitoring the situation. Maybe he's afraid he might call the pirates retarded.

Obama supporters will say it's refreshing that we have a president who doesnt go all cowboy on things and comment out of turn, but its been (at least) 2 days. An American is being held captive, and the Navy is involved. Maybe our leader should make a statement or answer reporters queries. Previous administrations have been chastised for being too secretive.

Seriously?

It's one guy.

And we're talking about pirates.

I sincerely hope that this would like #874 on any president's to-do list, especially nowadays.

And no, I don't think that's callous at all. I hope the hostage is freed and some pirate-ass is shot to hell, but this really isn't something that we need to get worked up over. Piracy isn't anything new, and the last thing we need is pointless "war on pirates" rhetoric where we act like this is suddenly a huge deal just because an American is involved.

[SonOfSmeagol]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090410/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_piracy;_ylt=AplSv3iy.RHGR9Lrn9UiaLiyFz4D

He can’t even come out and condemn pirates fucking with an American ship. Especially: can’t even praise the crew who took back the ship. Especially: a captain who stayed behind and then tries to escape. Can’t say a word about it until…when. US warships on the scene and more headed there. What does it take to say something. US is getting fucked with by a lawless bunch of a-holes and not a word? Cautious, yet…weak! Wtf What's he gonna do when a "REAL" crisis hits? Take a stand dammit.

What’s one guy? What’s 52 guys taken by another lawless nation in the not too distant past.

[disneyspy]

when pirates where doin the same thing off the ivory coast teddy rosevelt didnt say anyting til the navy was in place,the line "the buisness of america is buisness",we dont like to get involved in anything til our interests are infringed,if the pirates had succeded in taking that boat,i'm sure there woulda been a different atmosphere.
give the president some slack,wait til the pieces are in place,this thing is about to jump off

[SonOfSmeagol]

when pirates where doin the same thing off the ivory coast teddy rosevelt didnt say anyting til the navy was in place,the line "the buisness of america is buisness",we dont like to get involved in anything til our interests are infringed,if the pirates had succeded in taking that boat,i'm sure there woulda been a different atmosphere.
give the president some slack,wait til the pieces are in place,this thing is about to jump off

Well, the navy's in place now. Where's TR when you need him?

[SatCam]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090410/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_piracy;_ylt=AplSv3iy.RHGR9Lrn9UiaLiyFz4D

He can’t even come out and condemn pirates fucking with an American ship. Especially: can’t even praise the crew who took back the ship. Especially: a captain who stayed behind and then tries to escape. Can’t say a word about it until…when. US warships on the scene and more headed there. What does it take to say something. US is getting fucked with by a lawless bunch of a-holes and not a word? Cautious, yet…weak! Wtf What's he gonna do when a "REAL" crisis hits? Take a stand dammit.

What’s one guy? What’s 52 guys taken by another lawless nation in the not too distant past.


The Navy is taking care of things out there, it really has nothing to do with Obama. He doesn't need to patronize a bunch of pirates. Remember, the pirates like to get ransom. If they know the president of the most powerful country gives a shit, well then they have MORE reason to keep the captive and demand more money............ I imagine he'll comment on the incident once it's all over.

[sr71blackbird]

I know these pirates are holding this guy at gunpoint and any attempt at rescue will likely result in his death, but our military is unable to do something to stop this situation? It would be cool if we had something like a Star Trek stun gun where we zap the area of the boat and everyone gets knocked out cold instantly. Then we rush in, get the captain and apprehend the pirates. Why don't we have that technology yet?

[FezsAssistant]

i think the entire thing is fabricated. obviously, Obama hired americans to wear eye patches. they faked the whole thing just so Obama and Clinton could secure more of a presence in northern Africa (which they are in fact doing, all kidding aside).

why aren't there mass protests in times square and union square against 'obama the occupier'?

i thought the US was evil for constantly occupying other countries and obama was going to change this? his wife said she didn't want to live in a world of fear. well let's not be afraid of the pirates and just let them do whatever they want - right, michelle? 911 was fabricated and there's no reason to fear terrorism, right Michelle? let's be consistent.

[ChrisTheCop]

Seriously?


Yep.

[TheMojoPin]

The Navy is taking care of things out there, it really has nothing to do with Obama. He doesn't need to patronize a bunch of pirates. Remember, the pirates like to get ransom. If they know the president of the most powerful country gives a shit, well then they have MORE reason to keep the captive and demand more money............ I imagine he'll comment on the incident once it's all over.

Excellent points. The President acting like pirates are a big deal is the last thing he should do.

[ChrisTheCop]

Excellent points. The President acting like pirates are a big deal is the last thing he should do.

I thought it was the 874th thing he should do?
Does he really only have 874 things to do??

[TheMojoPin]

I thought it was the 874th thing he should do?
Does he really only have 874 things to do??

He has 1,458 things to do.

Fighting pirates is 874.

TALKING about pirates is dead last.

[TheMojoPin]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090410/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_piracy;_ylt=AplSv3iy.RHGR9Lrn9UiaLiyFz4D

He can’t even come out and condemn pirates fucking with an American ship. Especially: can’t even praise the crew who took back the ship. Especially: a captain who stayed behind and then tries to escape. Can’t say a word about it until…when. US warships on the scene and more headed there. What does it take to say something. US is getting fucked with by a lawless bunch of a-holes and not a word? Cautious, yet…weak! Wtf What's he gonna do when a "REAL" crisis hits? Take a stand dammit.

What’s one guy? What’s 52 guys taken by another lawless nation in the not too distant past.


Americans are kidnapped, assaulted and murdered every year overseas. We really expect the President to be out there addressing all of them?

Nobody is getting "fucked" by pirates. We've somehow survived pirates being out there for a few hundred years now...why do we need to start crying about them now?

[TooLowBrow]

Americans are kidnapped, assaulted and murdered every year overseas. We really expect the President to be out there addressing all of them?

Nobody is getting "fucked" by pirates. We've somehow survived pirates being out there for a few hundred years now...why do we need to start crying about them now?

i got fucked by a pirate once

[ChrisTheCop]

Fighting pirates is 874.



How cool would it be for him to be flown in on a helicopter, jump out dressed as a swashbuckler, and point his rapier at one and say, "My name is Barack Hussein Obama. You captured one of my citizens. Prepare to die."

But ok, back to seriousity:
If he doesnt want to call a special news conference that, frankly, might interrupt my enjoyment of The Price is Right hosted by the ever enlarging Drew Carey, Fine. But when asked by reporters specifically about the incident, he may wanna comment.

[TheMojoPin]

How cool would it be for him to be flown in on a helicopter, jump out dressed as a swashbuckler, and point his rapier at one and say, "My name is Barack Hussein Obama. You captured one of my citizens. Prepare to die."

He just needs to do this:

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[Snoogans]

. But when asked by reporters specifically about the incident, he may wanna comment.

I used to think shit like that. But who knows. Maybe its part of the negotiations and maybe they said if he comments, everyone dies. Thats why I kinda wait now til all the shit is in

[ChrisTheCop]

I used to think shit like that. But who knows. Maybe its part of the negotiations and maybe they said if he comments, everyone dies. Thats why I kinda wait now til all the shit is in

So now we negotiate with terrorists?

But I see your point, and agree. As with most situations, I have a wait n see attitude, because frankly, and I know this is weird to say on a message board, but...I'm not there and am not an expert in these matters.

[Snoogans]

So now we negotiate with terrorists?

But I see your point, and agree. As with most situations, I have a wait n see attitude.

these arent terrorists. They are pirates. They arent threatening people for political reasons or agenda. They are just tryin to steal shit.

We negotiate with bank robbers all the time

[TooLowBrow]

So now we negotiate with terrorists?

But I see your point, and agree. As with most situations, I have a wait n see attitude.

shoot the hostage!

[ChrisTheCop]

We negotiate with bank robbers all the time

You watch alotta movies dontcha?

[Snoogans]

You watch alotta movies dontcha?

if someone robbing a bank takes hostages, cops negotiate. Sure if they dont have hostages, we blast them. but we have a real hard time just sayin fuck the innocent people.

[Snoogans]

shit this guy robbed a bank in mahwah with no gun and they tried to negotiate

[PapaBear]

In Chris' defense, I don't think I've ever heard of an actual hostage situation at a bank since the Dog Day Afternoon thing took place.

[Snoogans]

In Chris' defense, I don't think I've ever heard of an actual hostage situation at a bank since the Dog Day Afternoon thing took place.

fine. I am not aware the statistics of hostage robberies. but its not like these guys are just terrorising people. Cap would be dead if that was the case. They are just tryin to steal shit and be out

[ChrisTheCop]

In Chris' defense, I don't think I've ever heard of an actual hostage situation at a bank since the Dog Day Afternoon thing took place.

Bah. There was one in Gotham City where that school bus rammed into the bank...but no hostages. Wait...Doogie Howser was held hostage during a robbery, but that was a save mart not a bank... Mulder and Scully kept going into the same bank repeatedly but every time some guy blew up the bank with a bomb..and there WERE hostages!! Yes! I knew it!!!!

aaand...just because they're not wearing turbans and saying dirka dirka dirka doesnt mean theyre not terrorizing people.

[Snoogans]

Bah. There was one in Gotham City where that school bus rammed into the bank...but no hostages. Wait...Doogie Howser was held hostage during a robbery, but that was a save mart not a bank... Mulder and Scully kept going into the same bank repeatedly but every time some guy blew up the bank with a bomb..and there WERE hostages!! Yes! I knew it!!!!

this is harrassment. Whats your badge number, sir?

[PapaBear]

fine. I am not aware the statistics of hostage robberies. but its not like these guys are just terrorising people. Cap would be dead if that was the case. They are just tryin to steal shit and be out
Also true. I haven't been keeping up. Are they even still "negotiating"? I thought they were just sitting nearby waiting for them to run out of food or something.

[Snoogans]

Also true. I haven't been keeping up. Are they even still "negotiating"? I thought they were just sitting nearby waiting for them to run out of food or something.

they ran out of gas and are adrift. We have war ships going there but they have stolen ships and hostages on the way too. And international hostages, which is probably why we cant just blast and leave casualties. i think the hope is we let them go and get the cap and the hostages back and they take the ships

[TheMojoPin]

aaand...just because they're not wearing turbans and saying dirka dirka dirka doesnt mean theyre not terrorizing people.

Doesn't that make almost any criminal a terrorist?

[TooLowBrow]

Also true. I haven't been keeping up. Are they even still "negotiating"? I thought they were just sitting nearby waiting for them to run out of food or something.

isnt the whole ship full of food?

[Snoogans]

a terrorist is a specific thing in that terms, i thought. Otherwise mojo is right, anyone who does anything terrorized people. I think the motive is what makes it terrorism. Guys who kill people to do it or piss someone off or politics, thats terrorism. Guys who steal, thats thieves. And last I saw, they hadnt killed anyone.

[PapaBear]

isnt the whole ship full of food?
They're on a life boat. The ship went on it's way.

[Snoogans]

isnt the whole ship full of food?

they dont have the ship. they are on a life boat from the ship. Cap gave him self as a hostage and gave them a life boat to save the rest of the crew and the ship

[TooLowBrow]

they ran out of gas and are adrift. We have war ships going there but they have stolen ships and hostages on the way too. And international hostages, which is probably why we cant just blast and leave casualties. i think the hope is we let them go and get the cap and the hostages back and they take the ships

then we can blow them up

[TheMojoPin]

Shit, that makes bullies terrorists.

Your sibling keeps hiding and jumping out and scaring you? TERRORIST.

[Snoogans]

then we can blow them up

no because then they will kill the many international hostages on the 4 stolen ships headed to pick up the pirates

[TheMojoPin]

they dont have the ship. they are on a life boat from the ship. Cap gave him self as a hostage and gave them a life boat to save the rest of the crew and the ship

He knew what he was getting into. FRAG THEM.

[TooLowBrow]

no because then they will kill the many international hostages on the 4 stolen ships headed to pick up the pirates

dont we have any mercenary swat teams to save these people?

[ChrisTheCop]

this is harrassment. Whats your badge number, sir?

ohhhh shit. let's negotiate sir... I hold in my hands a googled list of bank robberies supporting your hostage taking claim. HERE. (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=qUW&q=armed+bank+robberies%2C+hostages+held+2008&btnG=Search)

Happy?

And no Mojo, not every criminal is a terrorist. That would be profiling!
But once one terrorizes, or attempts to do so, one would be a terrorist.
I'd say this is a pretty terrifying situation. In fact, I'm terrified of your next response!:help:

[Snoogans]

dont we have any mercenary swat teams to save these people?

the pirates have already stolen these ships awhile ago. They are headed there but we dont know where they are. We kill these pirates on the lifeboat now, the ships kill the other hostages and turn around

[PapaBear]

I say we throw cum on them.

[TheMojoPin]

We're all so full of shit.

If the pirate leader looked like Johnny Depp we'd all be loving his sexy antics.

[TooLowBrow]

the pirates have already stolen these ships awhile ago. They are headed there but we dont know where they are. We kill these pirates on the lifeboat now, the ships kill the other hostages and turn around

how do the pirates on a lifeboat know about ships coming for them

but the whole us army and un whatevers dont know where the ships are?

[Snoogans]

ohhhh shit. let's negotiate sir... I hold in my hands a googled list of bank robberies supporting your hostage taking claim. HERE. (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=qUW&q=armed+bank+robberies%2C+hostages+held+2008&btnG=Search)

Happy?

And no Mojo, not every criminal is a terrorist. That would be profiling!
But once one terrorizes, or attempts to do so, one would be a terrorist.
I'd say this is a pretty terrifying situation. In fact, I'm terrified of your next response!:help:

so lets prosecute every rapings as a terrorist alos. they terrorize women.

and lets prosecute everyone who beats someone up. Any kid in the hood who has ever had a gun is a terrorist. where does it stop? These guys are thieves, they are just stealing boats. Its not much different then taking someones car.


Also look where we are. Terrorists are attacking us. These guys arent attacking us. They are stealing shit so they can continue to have what they need to live. Its a bit different in their circumstance. Id probably do the same shit

[ChrisTheCop]

no because then they will kill the many international hostages on the 4 stolen ships headed to pick up the pirates

the pirates have already stolen these ships awhile ago. They are headed there but we dont know where they are. We kill these pirates on the lifeboat now, the ships kill the other hostages and turn around

So...NOW are they terrorists? Or just happy go lucky thieves o' the sea???

[Snoogans]

how do the pirates on a lifeboat know about ships coming for them

but the whole us army and un whatevers dont know where the ships are?

they have satellite phones and GPS. One of the guys even called the news to tell them if we attack they will fight and kill whoever they can

[Snoogans]

So...NOW are they terrorists? Or just happy go lucky thieves o' the sea???

thieves. Again you gotta think about what they are dealing with. If I lived in those conditions and it was die or take the ship with a few hostages, guess what im doing.

TERRORISTS GO AFTER GROUPS, COUNTRIES, POLITICS, and thats why they take hostages. These guys tried to steal shit and they take the hostages so they dont get killed. Its a much different mindset. Im not saying let the fuckers go. They should go down for the crime. But they arent fuckin terrorists

[TheMojoPin]

So...NOW are they terrorists? Or just happy go lucky thieves o' the sea???

They're pirates.

[Snoogans]

They're pirates.

EXACTLY. THEY EVEN HAVE THEIR OWN TITLE.

[Snoogans]

and i love how the first 9000 ships that got stolen no one cares. No one cares til AMERICANS were there. Fuck that. Just cause a hostage is from another country doesnt mean we should just not care. Thats fuckin insanity. If it means letting a few pirates get a few ships without jail to get them back safe, then im fine with that. Why waste everyone if you dont have to? No one is even dead yet

[weekapaugjz]

is piracy still punishable by death?

http://www.loricameron.ca/images/pirate-hanging.jpg

[ChrisTheCop]

is piracy still punishable by death?



Nah, you too are confusing this with terrorism. These guys are just trying to make a living.

[PapaBear]

This whole thing keeps making me think of when Ron Bennington once talked about cruising in the Caribbean. He said everyone carries assault rifles and makes them visible whenever pirates get near. Then the pirates leave them alone. But what I heard today is, the freighters don't have guns, because their insurance rates would increase by 5 fold, and some ports would deny them access.

[Snoogans]

Nah, you too are confusing this with terrorism. These guys are just trying to make a living.

again i didnt say that, and i love how you are just steering it where you want it. I already said they should be punished for the crimes. The only reason i said id let them go is to SAVE INNOCENT PEOPLE.

But they arent terrorists. Criminals yes, but terrorists, no

[Snoogans]

This whole thing keeps making me think of when Ron Bennington once talked about cruising in the Caribbean. He said everyone carries assault rifles and makes them visible whenever pirates get near. Then the pirates leave them alone. But what I heard today is, the freighters don't have guns, because their insurance rates would increase by 5 fold, and some ports wouldn't deny them access.

from what i heard it had something to do with shooting on some of these ships could be quite dangerous based on whats on them. Could be wrong on that though

[ChrisTheCop]

i love how you are just steering it where you want it.

https://id209.chi.us.securedata.net/worlddecorium.com/merchantmanager/images/uploads/37941.jpg

[Snoogans]

ter⋅ror⋅ist
   /ˈtɛrərɪst/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ter-er-ist] Show IPA
–noun
1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
3. (formerly) a member of a political group in Russia aiming at the demoralization of the government by terror.
4. an agent or partisan of the revolutionary tribunal during the Reign of Terror in France.
–adjective
5. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of terrorism or terrorists: terrorist tactics.


pi⋅rate
   /ˈpaɪrət/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [pahy-ruht] Show IPA noun, verb, -rat⋅ed, -rat⋅ing.
–noun
1. a person who robs or commits illegal violence at sea or on the shores of the sea.
2. a ship used by such persons.
3. any plunderer, predator, etc.: confidence men, slumlords, and other pirates.
4. a person who uses or reproduces the work or invention of another without authorization.
5. Also called pirate stream. Geology. a stream that diverts into its own flow the headwaters of another stream, river, etc.


funny those dont look the same to me


and it doesnt say in the pirates definition "ocean terrorists"

[Snoogans]

WASHINGTON – U.S. officials have found no direct ties between East African pirates and terrorist groups but continue to search for signs of links between the two factions in the wake of the Indian Ocean hostage incident. It was not clear whether officials were specifically scrutinizing the Somali pirates who boarded the Maersk Alabama on Tuesday and fled in a lifeboat after taking hostage the cargo ship's captain.


hmmmmm, even the government doesnt consider pirates a terrorist group

[weekapaugjz]

ter⋅ror⋅ist
   /ˈtɛrərɪst/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ter-er-ist] Show IPA
–noun

2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.

pi⋅rate
   /ˈpaɪrət/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [pahy-ruht] Show IPA noun, verb, -rat⋅ed, -rat⋅ing.
–noun
1. a person who robs or commits illegal violence at sea or on the shores of the sea.

funny those dont look the same to me

i would think the people who are being robbed feel terrorized and frightened.

that's a pretty crappy definition of terrorism. plus, any definition that uses the same word to define it stinks.

[ChrisTheCop]

ter⋅ror⋅ist
   /ˈtɛrərɪst/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ter-er-ist] Show IPA
–noun
1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
3. (formerly) a member of a political group in Russia aiming at the demoralization of the government by terror.
4. an agent or partisan of the revolutionary tribunal during the Reign of Terror in France.
–adjective
5. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of terrorism or terrorists: terrorist tactics.




Thanks.
I'd also note that nowhere in your definition of pirate does it mention holding hostages and threatening to kill them. I say once they do that, theyve graduated.

[Snoogans]

i would think the people who are being robbed feel terrorized and frightened.

that's a pretty crappy definition of terrorism.

exactly. thats my point. You can call anyone a terrorist basically.

LEGALLY, these people are not committing terrorism, and even our government is tryin to link them to terrorists, meaning they arent.

[Snoogans]

now if they link to working with terrorists, then legally they become terrorists. then we act different. We are tryin to find out, meaning to the government, pirates arent terrorists

[TooLowBrow]

again i didnt say that, and i love how you are just steering it where you want it. I already said they should be punished for the crimes. The only reason i said id let them go is to SAVE INNOCENT PEOPLE.

But they arent terrorists. Criminals yes, but terrorists, no

cant we get the guy free

then track the pirates with satellites wherever they go

mount a rescue capture mission

when they arent expecting it

and save the day

[Snoogans]

here is a question for you chris.

If i beat the fuck out of someone, that would obviously freighten them and cause them terror. But if I got arrested for it, am I charged with terrorism?

[Snoogans]

cant we get the guy free

then track the pirates with satellites wherever they go

mount a rescue capture mission

when they arent expecting it

and save the day

maybe, but wouldnt, while we are planning that, it be a nice idea to at least try to just trade without the hostility? They havent killed people, and dont seem to want to. The only reason they are "hostages" is they were on the fuckin boat. What else are you gonna do with them? They didnt kill them cause they dont want to be terrorists, they just want the stuff on the boat

[Snoogans]

also if we kill the lifeboat pirates, we have no way to have them lead us to the other stolen ships, which would then turn around and head back to where they were. We need those pirates in the lifeboat

[ChrisTheCop]

here is a question for you chris.

If i beat the fuck out of someone, that would obviously freighten them and cause them terror. But if I got arrested for it, am I charged with terrorism?

Nope. But if you hold him hostage and tell the police to leave you alone or you'll kill him, that certainly elevates your status, no?

This is an international incident, with several people being held hostage and threats made against their lives if the pirates dont get what they want. The threat is real.

Here in NYC, if you call in a bomb threat, you may be charged with making terroristic threats, even if all you wanted was to get out of school.

Look, Ive gotta hit the hay. My intention was not to argue over semantics here. My main focus was Obama's actions, which are his to make of course, I just disagreed with them and suddenly I'm playing Crosswords.

[Snoogans]

Nope. But if you hold him hostage and tell the police to leave you alone or you'll kill him, that certainly elevates your status, no?

This is an international incident, with several people being held hostage and threats made against their lives if the pirates dont get what they want. The threat is real.

Here in NYC, if you call in a bomb threat, you may be charged with making terroristic threats, even if all you wanted was to get out of school.

Look, Ive gotta hit the hay. My intention was not to argue over semantics here. My main focus was Obama's actions, which are his to make of course, I just disagreed with them and suddenly I'm playing Crosswords.

i think more like this.

If you car jack someone but keep one of the people in the car so the cops dont just take it out, thats not a terrorist. Thats what they are doing. They stole a giant car and have the passangers so no one just kills them.

[Snoogans]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00452/news-guns45_452057a.jpg

Omar comin

[TheMojoPin]

I can only assume Chris is just messing with Snoogans.

[Snoogans]

I can only assume Chris is just messing with Snoogans.

i assume too. But pirates are awesome. I wanna be a pirate

[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, the badassness of pirates is being upped WAY up by all this.

[Snoogans]

Bring it with your fuckin swords you faggots. This is a real goddamn pirate

http://www.rnw.nl/images/assets/15888381

[PapaBear]

Yeah, the badassness of pirates is being upped WAY up by all this.
Fixed.

And, I disagree. I think it just shows how patient they are, and how they have nothing to lose. If anything... the bad asses are the sailors. They regained control of their ship with no guns. They took a pirate hostage at the same time the Captain was taken hostage. They were suckers though, when they gave back their hostage, and didn't get the Captain back in return. And the Captain was pretty bad ass when he tried to swim to the US Navy ship after he jumped off of the life boat.

[Snoogans]

Fixed.

And, I disagree. I think it just shows how patient they are, and how they have nothing to lose. If anything... the bad asses are the sailors. They regained control of their ship with no guns. They took a pirate hostage at the same time the Captain was taken hostage. They were suckers though, when they gave back their hostage, and didn't get the Captain back in return. And the Captain was pretty bad ass when he tried to swim to the US Navy ship after he jumped off of the life boat.

to a point. But they have already taken tons of ships and got away with it. Plus they are standing up to the entire US navy from a lifeboat.

[TooLowBrow]

maybe, but wouldnt, while we are planning that, it be a nice idea to at least try to just trade without the hostility? They havent killed people, and dont seem to want to. The only reason they are "hostages" is they were on the fuckin boat. What else are you gonna do with them? They didnt kill them cause they dont want to be terrorists, they just want the stuff on the boat

well wont we just follow them anyhow and be able to bust them if they try again.

place these guys on a watchlist

finally someone who belongs there

the next time they get piratey, we act first

[TheMojoPin]

Fixed.

And, I disagree. I think it just shows how patient they are, and how they have nothing to lose. If anything... the bad asses are the sailors. They regained control of their ship with no guns. They took a pirate hostage at the same time the Captain was taken hostage. They were suckers though, when they gave back their hostage, and didn't get the Captain back in return. And the Captain was pretty bad ass when he tried to swim to the US Navy ship after he jumped off of the life boat.

This is all generally really badass. The Navy getting involved actually decreases how badass it is. Get the fuck out of their with your bellbottoms, assholes. Leave the sea-fightin' to the real men.

[PapaBear]

to a point. But they have already taken tons of ships and got away with it. Plus they are standing up to the entire US navy from a lifeboat.
That's my point. They are patient and have nothing to lose. They aren't really standing up to them. They're just sitting there. At this point, they're probably just chewing on khat, and hoping it all works out. If it doesn't work out... what the fuck. Like you said before... they don't have anything else going for them.

[disneyspy]

heres something ive learned the past two days,CNN misinforms us alot,i think its controlled by the gov't. i'm becomin more of reuters feed guy after seein the BS CNN has reported,the situation didnt become worse,the navy is havin no problem keepin the pirates at bay,the captain swam back to the lifeboat after shots were fired into the air,other countries are stoppin our navy from takin care of buisness,not the prez,fuck CNN

[sr71blackbird]

Why are pirates mean?
















Because they ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!

[disneyspy]

HAHA,why dont pirates like viruses that fuck shit up?
















because they like to say "AVAST MATEES"

[red_red_red]

what is a pirate's fav type of music?
















ARRRRRRRR & B

[Sinestro]

What do pirates like to eat?


Seafood.

[Snoogans]

That's my point. They are patient and have nothing to lose. They aren't really standing up to them. They're just sitting there. At this point, they're probably just chewing on khat, and hoping it all works out. If it doesn't work out... what the fuck. Like you said before... they don't have anything else going for them.

but those are just 2 pirates in that boat. there is way more who said they would fight our navy. Thats pretty bad ass considering those guys could just go hide

[Snoogans]

and those jokes are fuckin TERRIBLE

[disneyspy]

and those jokes are fuckin TERRIBLE

aaaarrrrrrrrrrr

[Snoogans]

I fuckin love these pirates. THE US NAVY IS FLANKING THEM AND WHAT DO THEY DO....this:

NAIROBI, Kenya – The head of a Kenyan seafarers' program said Saturday that Somali pirates had hijacked an American-owned tugboat with 16 crew in the Gulf of Aden.

Nairobi-based Italian Ambassador Pierandrea Magistrati said he only could confirm that "there is a boat that has been hijacked, I believe by Somali pirates."

The hijacking took place as the American captain of the U.S.-flagged Maersk Alabama was still being held hostage on a lifeboat being watched by two U.S. warships.

The head of the East African Seafarers' Assistance Program, Andrew Mwangura, said maritime industry sources had informed his organization that the Italian-flagged U.S. tugboat was towing two barges when it was attacked. He said it was unclear if the attack took place off the coast of Somalia or further north near Yemen. He said did not know what was on the barges.

[Sinestro]

Why don't they call out the Merchant Marines??



You think by now the pirates would be demanding pizza or something while they're waiting.

[The Jays]

Oh man, I LOVE people who kidnap Americans at sea and demand money! That is so totally awesome!

[Snoogans]

Oh man, I LOVE people who kidnap Americans at sea and demand money! That is so totally awesome!

another part of my point about the hypocrisy of everyone. NOBODY HERE GAVE A FUCK until it was americans, even though they have stolen probably hundreds of ships. And its not like this isnt a known danger. And if Americans were stealing ships from a country most americans hated, you would all fuckin love it.

This has nothing to do with Americans or even hostages. Just stealing shit

[ChrisTheCop]

When they make a movie about this, it'll be Rated RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR


Oh man, I LOVE people who kidnap Americans at sea and demand money! That is so totally awesome!

And I agree with the sarcasm. Seems people are missing the point.
Who cares when we cared? We care NOW. America does indeed tend to care more when its citizens are endangered. Go figure.

[Snoogans]

In some cases, modern pirates are not interested in the cargo and are mainly interested in taking the personal belongings of the crew and the contents of the ship's safe, which might contain large amounts of cash needed for payroll and port fees. In other cases, the pirates force the crew off the ship and then sail it to a port to be repainted and given a new identity through false papers often purchased from corrupt or complicit officials.[35]

generally they let all the people go unless the people fight and they have no choice. they just want the stuff on the boat. Should they be prosecuted for it, absolutely. But its hard not to notice thats its pretty bad ass that these guys will just fuck with anyone even out numbered. They have balls, thats for sure

[Snoogans]

When they make a movie about this, it'll be Rated RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR




And I agree with the sarcasm. Seems people are missing the point.
Who cares when we cared? We care NOW. America does indeed tend to care more when its citizens are endangered. Go figure.

its a difference between caring more about our people and straight not giving a fuck about others. You guys are basically sayin we should do something to save our 1 american guy that will probably get hundreds of other innocent non americans killed. THAT is not right. I dont give a fuck. Not right

[ChrisTheCop]

generally they let all the people go unless the people fight and they have no choice. they just want the stuff on the boat. Should they be prosecuted for it, absolutely. But its hard not to notice thats its pretty bad ass that these guys will just fuck with anyone even out numbered. They have balls, thats for sure

Thank you Bill Maher.

[Snoogans]

and if it takes letting these guys get away with a couple ships of some cash to save all those people's lives, you really wouldnt take that deal?

[disneyspy]

i didnt give a shit about the taliban til 9/11,doesnt make me a bad person

[Snoogans]

Thank you Bill Maher.

sorry I wasnt aware that Americans are the supreme and 1 american life is worth more then hundreds of non american lives.

[Snoogans]

i didnt give a shit about the taliban til 9/11,doesnt make me a bad person

if you truley believe this comparison is even CLOSE to appropriate, then you are too dumb to continue talking to this about

[ChrisTheCop]

its a difference between caring more about our people and straight not giving a fuck about others. You guys are basically sayin we should do something to save our 1 american guy that will probably get hundreds of other innocent non americans killed. THAT is not right. I dont give a fuck. Not right

I dunno who said that, but I sure didnt. I say resolve the issue as peacefully as possible and get as many hostages free as possible. Not that the American guys life is worth more than any others. It's just the reason America is, and should be, involved. Kinda like WWII. It was terrible what was going on over there....but we didnt join in until WE were attacked.

[The Jays]

That's what I'm saying! It's totally rocks my fucking socks that we have some God-fearing pirates out there who are willing to stand up for their rights that that government-vacuum of a country enables them to express! It's about time someone shows those stupid Americans who is boss, and takes one of their ships, and then takes their captain!

And , I don't see how it is hypocrisy. It had been a right of Americans ever since 1776 to freely ignore world news and events that does not directly affect the United States of America.

That's why it's about time that the pirates stop messing with stupid Ukranian ships with Russian tanks, Nigerian oil tankers, or French yachts, and start doing some real piracy against the REAL pirates of the world, and that is the stupid United States of America, who rob, cheat, and steal their way in order to push their empire of democracy further and further into the hearts and minds of the people they have brainwashed.

[ChrisTheCop]

sorry I wasnt aware that Americans are the supreme and 1 american life is worth more then hundreds of non american lives.

The Bill Maher reference was from when he called the 9/11/01 hijackers "Brave".

[Snoogans]

That's what I'm saying! It's totally rocks my fucking socks that we have some God-fearing pirates out there who are willing to stand up for their rights that that government-vacuum of a country enables them to express! It's about time someone shows those stupid Americans who is boss, and takes one of their ships, and then takes their captain!

And , I don't see how it is hypocrisy. It had been a right of Americans ever since 1776 to freely ignore world news and events that does not directly affect the United States of America.

That's why it's about time that the pirates stop messing with stupid Ukranian ships with Russian tanks, Nigerian oil tankers, or French yachts, and start doing some real piracy against the REAL pirates of the world, and that is the stupid United States of America, who rob, cheat, and steal their way in order to push their empire of democracy further and further into the hearts and minds of the people they have brainwashed.
yea cause I give a fuck about the boats.

Im talkin about the people you idiot. But again, lets not read anything about my opinion on things. Lets just assume im all about fucking americans

[disneyspy]

if you truley believe this comparison is even CLOSE to appropriate, then you are too dumb to continue talking to this about

no,i disagree with your uninformed opinion

[Snoogans]

The Bill Maher reference was from when he called the 9/11/01 hijackers "Brave".

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


WILL YOU FUCKIN DUMBASSES STOP COMPARING PIRATES STEALING A CARGO SHIP TO SOMEONE STEALING PLANES TO FLY THEM INTO A BUILDING JUST TO KILL THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE


its seriously getting retarded

[A.J.]

I know these pirates are holding this guy at gunpoint and any attempt at rescue will likely result in his death, but our military is unable to do something to stop this situation? It would be cool if we had something like a Star Trek stun gun where we zap the area of the boat and everyone gets knocked out cold instantly. Then we rush in, get the captain and apprehend the pirates. Why don't we have that technology yet?

DoD has been trying to develop and field "non-lethal weapons" (https://www.jnlwp.com/)for over a decade now.

[Snoogans]

no,i disagree with your uninformed opinion

my uninformed opinion of what?

[FezsAssistant]

Was it Music Pirates or Butt Pirates?

[A.J.]

"They hate our freedom of enterprise!!!!"

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-11/13/xin_39110113081810803911.jpg

[disneyspy]

whats retarded is not being able to see that the buisness of america is buisness,why should we spend our resources on something til affects us,we didnt go after the taliban til america got attacked,didnt enter world war 2 til the japs bombed pearl harbor and by smokin non american weed you support terrorist you phony

[Snoogans]

whats retarded is not being able to see that the buisness of america is buisness,why should we spend our resources on something til affects us,we didnt go after the taliban til america got attacked,didnt enter world war 2 til the japs bombed pearl harbor and by smokin non american weed you support terrorist you phony

I didnt say anything about how we should be using our resources before we need to. AND I DIDNT SAY THESE GUYS SHOULD BE LET GO. All im sayin is there is a vast difference between what they are doing and what terrorists did to us.

And that just cause an american is there as a hostage now, we cant just go light the place up and say fuck everyone elses innocent people. The world isnt exactly fans of ours now, so its probably not a good idea to do that.

But please stop acting like these guys are doing what happened on 9/11. Cause you know damn well if they did 9/11 to another country we were friendly with, we STILL woulda been in there to help. Even though it wasnt us. And you fuckin know that

[ChrisTheCop]

my uninformed opinion of what?

See the above thread.

Ok, youre not uninformed about everything, but the fact that you cant see parallels between different types of criminal activity, to me, is just silly.

Theyre only stealin stuff?! Thats a crime.
Theyre only THREATENING lives, they would never really do it?!! Still a crime.
Theyre terrorizing people, but theyre not terrorists?!

Youre reading into peoples posts things that arent there, youre calling people retarded just because they disagree with your opinion that these pirates rock the phat ass, etc.

This topic, like any discussed her on RF.net may have several varying opinions to discuss.
But again, we're not there, we're not going through this, nor are we involved in any tactical discussions, so our opinions are just that.

[Snoogans]

See the above thread.

Ok, youre not uninformed about everything, but the fact that you cant see parallels between different types of criminal activity, to me, is just silly.

Theyre only stealin stuff?! Thats a crime.
Theyre only THREATENING lives, they would never really do it?!! Still a crime.
Theyre terrorizing people, but theyre not terrorists?!

Youre reading into peoples posts things that arent there, youre calling people retarded just because they disagree with your opinion that these pirates rock the phat ass, etc.

This topic, like any discussed her on RF.net may have several varying opinions to discuss.
But again, we're not there, we're not going through this, nor are we involved in any tactical discussions, so our opinions are just that.

holy shit ive already said you can see parallels. YOU CAN SEE THEM WITH ALMOST ANY CRIMINAL WHOSE CRIME INVOLVED OTHER PEOPLE. We have admitted that. What im saying is this isnt a terrorist act toward our country or politics, this wasnt lets attack americans LIKE 9/11 WAS. This was lets steal that fuckin container ship, we dont care who the fuck is on it. Its INCREDIBLY DIFFERENT

and i said thats what is retarded. Comparing it to 9/11. I didnt say you are retarded if you dont think pirates are awesome. Obviously im fuckin joking and i dont think people should be allowed to run around stealing boats you dumbasses

[The Jays]

yea cause I give a fuck about the boats.

Im talkin about the people you idiot. But again, lets not read anything about my opinion on things. Lets just assume im all about fucking americans

I understand you care about people. The reality is, Americans don't risk American lives for other countries people if other countries don't ask us to, or unless they are a country formerly run by either the Taliban or Saddam Hussein. No one cares about non-Americans getting raided by pirates because they are not American, and Somalia is, like, all the way over there and stuff.

[ChrisTheCop]

And that just cause an american is there as a hostage now, we cant just go light the place up and say fuck everyone elses innocent people. The world isnt exactly fans of ours now, so its probably not a good idea to do that.

Okay. I havent seen that on the news. Who said that was the plan. If such a plan exists, I agree with you. It's the wrong strategy.

But please stop acting like these guys are doing what happened on 9/11. Cause you know damn well if they did 9/11 to another country we were friendly with, we STILL woulda been in there to help. Even though it wasnt us. And you fuckin know that

Those countries are called our allies, and yes we would help them, because it's in our interest to.

[Snoogans]

I understand you care about people. The reality is, Americans don't risk American lives for other countries people if other countries don't ask us to, or unless they are a country formerly run by either the Taliban or Saddam Hussein. No one cares about non-Americans getting raided by pirates because they are not American, and Somalia is, like, all the way over there and stuff.

EXACTLY. But we would care if osama flew more planes into england or something. THATS why this is different

[disneyspy]

once americans become involved it is our buisness,simple

[Snoogans]

[QUOTE=Snoogans;2208642]
And that just cause an american is there as a hostage now, we cant just go light the place up and say fuck everyone elses innocent people. The world isnt exactly fans of ours now, so its probably not a good idea to do that. [QUOTE/]

Okay. I havent seen that on the news. Who said that was the plan. If such a plan exists, I agree with you. It's the wrong strategy.



Those countries are called our allies, and yes we would help them, because it's in our interest to.

no shit. Im just sayin you cant see the difference here? If pirates had stolen a canadian ship we wouldnt really care. If terrorists had flown planes into vancouver to kill people, we would be right there with canada

and the light them up plan was the suggestion by many on here. thats who i was addressing cause thats what most people here are sayin we should do. And callin me an asshole cause ive said no. Thats what this whole thing is about

[Snoogans]

once americans become involved it is our buisness,simple

NO FUCKIN SHIT. are you even reading what i said. All i said was this is not the same as 9/11 so stop using 9/11 as a comparison. JESUS

[disneyspy]

NO FUCKIN SHIT. are you even reading what i said. All i said was this is not the same as 9/11 so stop using 9/11 as a comparison. JESUS

your going to hell

[Snoogans]

your going to hell

NO FUCKIN SHIT

[The Jays]

We don't have a War on Piracy. We have a War on Terror.

Though there could be a link if the money they are getting is funneled into terrorist organizations... then we would maybe give a shit. But there's not, they just want money to buy some iPods, so they can listen to their mp3s, which I'm sure they also pirated!

[Snoogans]

We don't have a War on Piracy. We have a War on Terror.

Though there could be a link if the money they are getting is funneled into terrorist organizations... then we would maybe give a shit. But there's not, they just want money to buy some iPods, so they can listen to their mp3s, which I'm sure they also pirated!

absolutely, and ive already posted if they find links with them and terror groups then its different. so far they have tried and they have NOT found those. So for now, its just robbing shit. Its different

[ChrisTheCop]

NO FUCKIN SHIT. are you even reading what i said. All i said was this is not the same as 9/11 so stop using 9/11 as a comparison. JESUS

All he said was that 9/11/01 is what allowed him to hear about the taliban, and til then he didnt care about them. And until an american was held hostage by pirates, he didnt know to what extent pirates still existed, and didnt care about them. There is a comparison.

Until my niece choked on a toy from a cereal box, I didnt know they still put toys in cereal boxes.

[Snoogans]

and i apologize if i get overly fired up. Im tryin to cut back smokin and i had some shit go down with a friend of mine the other day and im edgy.

But it seriously feels like none of you are reading some of what I say

[The Jays]

So, now we are agreed, and we can now both proceed to admit that pirates are so fucking awesome, bad ass, and would kill to suck some pirate cock just so I can hear him say ARRRGH.

[Snoogans]

All he said was that 9/11/01 is what allowed him to hear about the taliban, and til then he didnt care about them. And until an american was held hostage by pirates, he didnt know to what extent pirates still existed, and didnt care about them. There is a comparison.

Until my niece choked on a toy from a cereal box, I didnt know they still put toys in cereal boxes.

yea fine,. But you guys have also compared the 2 things quite a bit. You got my point. Stop profiling me. HARRASSMENT HARRASSMENT





i know my rights

[ChrisTheCop]

and i apologize if i get overly fired up. Im tryin to cut back smokin

OHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhh.

[Snoogans]

So, now we are agreed, and we can now both proceed to admit that pirates are so fucking awesome, bad ass, and would kill to suck some pirate cock just so I can hear him say ARRRGH.

ARRRRGH? Looks more like Moafucka gimmie this boat

http://www.rnw.nl/images/assets/15888381


PIRATES FOR LIFE

[Snoogans]

OHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhh.

not that smokin. Thats easy. I mean cigarettes

[The Jays]

You should stop cutting back. You'd find my posts a lot funnier.

EDIT: Oh. yeah cigarettes can have you on edge.

[ChrisTheCop]

not that smokin. Thats easy. I mean cigarettes

Aggie had mentioned something about you quitting the pot,
I called her insane in da membrane.

[Snoogans]

You should stop cutting back. You'd find my posts a lot funnier.

they werent that funny when I was smokin



kidding. But it seemed like you did that thinkin I was seriously saying these guys rule

[Snoogans]

Aggie had mentioned something about you quitting the pot,
I called her insane in da membrane.

She did? I never said that to her, so thats weird.

Its easy to stop smokin weed, it doesnt really bother me. The past few months with money tight, ive gone alot of days without that.

Cigarettes is fuckin ROUGH though man. Im strugglin with it

[disneyspy]

im givin up the cigs on 4/20,then i'll be a real ass.ninjas can kick the shit out of those pirates

[ChrisTheCop]

She did? I never said that to her, so thats weird.

Its easy to stop smokin weed, it doesnt really bother me. The past few months with money tight, ive gone alot of days without that.

Cigarettes is fuckin ROUGH though man. Im strugglin with it

Everytime you want a cigarette, EAT one.

[The Jays]

No, I'm just been trying to fuck with you because I keep reading your reactions and can tell you're passioned about this, and I figured I'd have a laugh.

[Snoogans]

im givin up the cigs on 4/20,then i'll be a real ass.ninjas can kick the shit out of those pirates

i dont give a fuck if its BRUCE FUCKIN LEROY AND SHONUFF. Ninjas aint doin shit against a rocket launcher

[Snoogans]

Everytime you want a cigarette, EAT one.

im not tryin to lose weight by puking, just not smoke

[The Jays]

She did? I never said that to her, so thats weird.

Its easy to stop smokin weed, it doesnt really bother me. The past few months with money tight, ive gone alot of days without that.

Cigarettes is fuckin ROUGH though man. Im strugglin with it

I found it was best to replace cigarettes with exercise and seltzer water. But that;s just me. I also find nicotine gums to help, but in all cases, you need to want to quit.

[disneyspy]

i dont give a fuck if its BRUCE FUCKIN LEROY AND SHONUFF. Ninjas aint doin shit against a rocket launcher

you cant shoot a rocket launcher if youve already had your ass kicked and didnt even see it comin,at night,while you're sleepy and you've been in a rockin lifeboat for three days and you're out of chips

[disneyspy]

I found it was best to replace cigarettes with exercise and seltzer water. But that;s just me. I also find nicotine gums to help, but in all cases, you need to want to quit.

i tried nicorette gum,i quit chewin gum

[Snoogans]

you cant shoot a rocket launcher if youve already had your ass kicked and didnt even see it comin,at night,while you're sleepy and you've been in a rockin lifeboat for three days and you're out of chips

yea how does that help the ninjas before they know where the pirates are. There is alot more pirates. Shit they are driving 4 ships right now

[The Jays]

And maybe invest in a vaporizer, like Doug Benson's volcano. Reduce the damage to your lungs as much as possible.

[Snoogans]

And maybe invest in a vaporizer, like Doug Benson's volcano. Reduce the damage to your lungs as much as possible.

people vaporize cigarettes?

and I aint got 500 bucks for a fuckin volcano

[disneyspy]

yea how does that help the ninjas before they know where the pirates are. There is alot more pirates. Shit they are driving 4 ships right now

i bet the ninjas are already on those boats,hidin

[The Jays]

people vaporize cigarettes?

and I aint got 500 bucks for a fuckin volcano

Consider it a lifetime investment in your lungs.

[Snoogans]

Consider it a lifetime investment in your lungs.
are you talkin for weed now? Why did it jump back to that?

[The Jays]

I'm saying, cut cigarettes out completely, just focus on puffing trees, but use the vaporizer for that.

[Snoogans]

http://www.jinx.com/Content/Product/397p_0c_1b.jpg

[The Jays]

Getting back on topic... I just read this article, and it gives a reason why Somalia has pirates to begin with. (http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-you-are-being-lied-to-about-pirates-1225817.html)



In 1991, the government of Somalia collapsed. Its nine million people have been teetering on starvation ever since – and the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great opportunity to steal the country's food supply and dump our nuclear waste in their seas.

Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died.

Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the UN envoy to Somalia, tells me: "Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead, and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury – you name it." Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to "dispose" of cheaply. When I asked Mr Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: "Nothing. There has been no clean-up, no compensation, and no prevention."

At the same time, other European ships have been looting Somalia's seas of their greatest resource: seafood. We have destroyed our own fish stocks by overexploitation – and now we have moved on to theirs. More than $300m-worth of tuna, shrimp, and lobster are being stolen every year by illegal trawlers. The local fishermen are now starving. Mohammed Hussein, a fisherman in the town of Marka 100km south of Mogadishu, told Reuters: "If nothing is done, there soon won't be much fish left in our coastal waters."

This is the context in which the "pirates" have emerged. Somalian fishermen took speedboats to try to dissuade the dumpers and trawlers, or at least levy a "tax" on them. They call themselves the Volunteer Coastguard of Somalia – and ordinary Somalis agree. The independent Somalian news site WardheerNews found 70 per cent "strongly supported the piracy as a form of national defence".

[angrymissy]

Breaking on cnn

U.S. ship captain held by pirates off Somalia, has been freed, senior U.S. official says. Three of four pirates killed.

[A.J.]

Breaking on cnn

U.S. ship captain held by pirates off Somalia, has been freed, senior U.S. official says. Three of four pirates killed.

:clap:

[Snoogans]

The American ship captain held since Wednesday by Somali pirates now is free on board a U.S. warship, a source tells ABC News. (http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=7318145&page=1)

The mood is tense. On Saturday night, pirates fired shots after a Navy launch approached the boat and the Navy withdrew.

At last report on Saturday evening, the covered lifeboat was 20 miles from the coast, and the pirates had fuel aboard, contrary to earlier reports.

[TheMojoPin]

Well, I hope they're happy having killed these brave, nuclear waste-battling freedom fighters.

[Snoogans]

Well, I hope they're happy having killed these brave, nuclear waste-battling freedom fighters.

Pour one out for da homies.


PIRATES FOR LIFE

[Fez4PrezN2008]

Yes!

[disneyspy]

fuckin europeans need to pay for this and i know just the people to make them pay,ninjas

[Furtherman]

I can't wait to hear how it all went down.

Although I'm imagining Captian Phillips was just sitting there in the dark and three *twaawp* sounds pierced the night and the pirates went down, compliments of the U.S. Navy Seals.

[jauble]

I can't wait to hear how it all went down.

Although I'm imagining Captian Phillips was just sitting there in the dark and three *twaawp* sounds pierced the night and the pirates went down, compliments of the U.S. Navy Seals.

the click of a suppressed SMG had to be reassuring

[scottinnj]

Seals 3, Pirates 0.
'Nuff said.

[Snoogans]

Seals 3, Pirates 0.
'Nuff said.

pirates currently have 12 ships and 200 hostages in their possession

[MacVittie]

This article (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/you-are-being-lied-to-abo_b_155147.html) from The Huffington Post explains how the pirates are really just an unofficial coast guard and are "misunderstood."

[Snoogans]

Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died. Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the UN envoy to Somalia, tells me: "Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead, and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury - you name it." Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to "dispose" of cheaply. When I asked Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: "Nothing. There has been no clean-up, no compensation, and no prevention."

tough to get mad at them for being pissed

[Snoogans]

No, this doesn't make hostage-taking justifiable, and yes, some are clearly just gangsters - especially those who have held up World Food Programme supplies. But the "pirates" have the overwhelming support of the local population for a reason. The independent Somalian news-site WardherNews conducted the best research we have into what ordinary Somalis are thinking - and it found 70 percent "strongly supported the piracy as a form of national defence of the country's territorial waters." During the revolutionary war in America, George Washington and America's founding fathers paid pirates to protect America's territorial waters, because they had no navy or coastguard of their own. Most Americans supported them. Is this so different?

Did we expect starving Somalians to stand passively on their beaches, paddling in our nuclear waste, and watch us snatch their fish to eat in restaurants in London and Paris and Rome? We didn't act on those crimes - but when some of the fishermen responded by disrupting the transit-corridor for 20 percent of the world's oil supply, we begin to shriek about "evil." If we really want to deal with piracy, we need to stop its root cause - our crimes - before we send in the gun-boats to root out Somalia's criminals.

pirates for life

[TheMojoPin]

God knows what on the captain's ship.

Probably nuclear waste and rape machines.

I hope he was saved just so we can execute him.

[JohnGacysCrawlSpace]

And now the pirates are dead, all killed by snipers. It's a sad day in Pittsburgh.

[SatCam]

And now the pirates are dead, all killed by snipers. It's a sad day in Pittsburgh.

And yet not a word from President Obama. Is it because he's African?

[Drunky McBetidont]

And yet not a word from President Obama. Is it because he's African?

i heard a quote sound byte on a newsflash where he said the captain is a hero fo being selfless regarding the lives of his crew. he said the seals did their job and other hostiles should take note of the outcome.

[SatCam]

i heard a quote sound byte on a newsflash where he said the captain is a hero fo being selfless regarding the lives of his crew. he said the seals did their job and other hostiles should take note of the outcome.

I bet he read that from a teleprompter

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This article (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/you-are-being-lied-to-abo_b_155147.html) from The Huffington Post explains how the pirates are really just an unofficial coast guard and are "misunderstood."



These pirates have collected about 150 million dollars in Ransom, if they were concerned about their fellow somalis there would have been some quality of life improvements for their bretheren. Maybe some basic necessities for them. In the end its all about the cash and greed

The story doesnt make sense. How is Europe dumping waste, then fishing in the same waters?

[TheMojoPin]

These pirates have collected about 150 million dollars in Ransom, if they were concerned about their fellow somalis there would have been some quality of life improvements for their bretheren. Maybe some basic necessities for them. In the end its all about the cash and greed

The story doesnt make sense. How is Europe dumping waste, then fishing in the same waters?

$150 million ain't gonna buy much in the way of life improvement for someone's "countrymen."

[SatCam]

These pirates have collected about 150 million dollars in Ransom, if they were concerned about their fellow somalis there would have been some quality of life improvements for their bretheren. Maybe some basic necessities for them. In the end its all about the cash and greed

Yea that, and considering they took a ship hostage that had FOOD FOR THEIR COUNTRY!:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

[SP1!]

This article (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/you-are-being-lied-to-abo_b_155147.html) from The Huffington Post explains how the pirates are really just an unofficial coast guard and are "misunderstood."
Yeah, huffington post is fucking full of shit

$150 million ain't gonna buy much in the way of life improvement for someone's "countrymen."
$150 american or euros, hell yeah that will vastly improve their status, it has nothing to do with their countrymen no matter what they say, its all about the base human nature, greed.

[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, huffington post is fucking full of shit


$150 american or euros, hell yeah that will vastly improve their status, it has nothing to do with their countrymen no matter what they say, its all about the base human nature, greed.

Well done, sir. You play your character well.

If you had actually read the HP piece, it was never trying to just let all the pirates off the hook. It was explaining the larger context of why piracy has become such a thriving "industry" in the region and what some of the origins were besides just, "I want money and stuff and I'm gonna steal it."

[Furtherman]

$150 american or euros, hell yeah that will vastly improve their status, it has nothing to do with their countrymen no matter what they say, its all about the base human nature, greed.

Because a Somalian can just take the ransom and head down to the nearest Target and pick up some new furniture for their new digs? Greedy bastards.

[The Jays]

He really does make a compelling argument that the Huffington Post is a piece of shit.

[SP1!]

Well done, sir. You play your character well.

If you had actually read the HP piece, it was never trying to just let all the pirates off the hook. It was explaining the larger context of why piracy has become such a thriving "industry" in the region and what some of the origins were besides just, "I want money and stuff and I'm gonna steal it."

I dont have to read the huffington post, you may think it describes the origins but I would be willing to bet they got jabs in about the west in there somewhere blaming anyone else except their own corrupt leaders for the state their country is in.

The huffington post is complete shit but it masquerades itself as knowledgeable writing, it fails so many times its pathetic.

Oh and just to scare you more, Im not a character, I truly hate shit sites like huffington. Most of these sites are nothing but propaganda tools to spread the fear.

[The Jays]

You didn't even bother to read the article! The government collapsed on its own, leaving a country powerless to execute any laws or defense. This allowed corrupt organizations outside of Somalia, from Western countries, IE the Italian Mafia, to do really shitty things such as dumping nuclear waste and heavy metal off the coast of Somalia, in order to take care of it for whoever approached them to take care of it. Other shitty groups of people did things such as illegally fish the waters that were national waters of Somalia, because they knew Somalia had no rule of law to defend itself. So, these people, who became pirates eventually, started off because no one was standing up to defend Somalia, so they stood up for themselves.

But, eventually, years and years of doing defense of this sort, they start to see that boarding ships, and taking product, taking hostages, can be lucrative and generate money for them and their own Somalian groups.

There is no blaming of the West. The blame is going to shitty groups of people taking advantage of a failed state, and explains that when a group of people get shit on enough times, they are going to fight back.


Of course, Rush Limbaugh would have you believe that this is all Bill Clinton's fault, and would also like you to know that we should stop calling them pirates, and start calling them community organizers. (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_041009/content/01125107.guest.html)

[jauble]

You didn't even bother to read the article! The government collapsed on its own, leaving a country powerless to execute any laws or defense. This allowed corrupt organizations outside of Somalia, from Western countries, IE the Italian Mafia, to do really shitty things such as dumping nuclear waste and heavy metal off the coast of Somalia, in order to take care of it for whoever approached them to take care of it. Other shitty groups of people did things such as illegally fish the waters that were national waters of Somalia, because they knew Somalia had no rule of law to defend itself. So, these people, who became pirates eventually, started off because no one was standing up to defend Somalia, so they stood up for themselves.

But, eventually, years and years of doing defense of this sort, they start to see that boarding ships, and taking product, taking hostages, can be lucrative and generate money for them and their own Somalian groups.

There is no blaming of the West. The blame is going to shitty groups of people taking advantage of a failed state, and explains that when a group of people get shit on enough times, they are going to fight back.


Of course, Rush Limbaugh would have you believe that this is all Bill Clinton's fault, and would also like you to know that we should stop calling them pirates, and start calling them community organizers. (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_041009/content/01125107.guest.html)

I blame Josh Hartnett

[TheMojoPin]

You didn't even bother to read the article! The government collapsed on its own, leaving a country powerless to execute any laws or defense. This allowed corrupt organizations outside of Somalia, from Western countries, IE the Italian Mafia, to do really shitty things such as dumping nuclear waste and heavy metal off the coast of Somalia, in order to take care of it for whoever approached them to take care of it. Other shitty groups of people did things such as illegally fish the waters that were national waters of Somalia, because they knew Somalia had no rule of law to defend itself. So, these people, who became pirates eventually, started off because no one was standing up to defend Somalia, so they stood up for themselves.

But, eventually, years and years of doing defense of this sort, they start to see that boarding ships, and taking product, taking hostages, can be lucrative and generate money for them and their own Somalian groups.

There is no blaming of the West. The blame is going to shitty groups of people taking advantage of a failed state, and explains that when a group of people get shit on enough times, they are going to fight back.


Of course, Rush Limbaugh would have you believe that this is all Bill Clinton's fault, and would also like you to know that we should stop calling them pirates, and start calling them community organizers. (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_041009/content/01125107.guest.html)

What are the odds SP1! actually acknowledges any of this?

[Furtherman]

I dont have to read

Apparently.

[Snoogans]

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[disneyspy]

yo ho is how new jersey guys say hi to their girlfriends

[Aggie]

Originally Posted by ChrisTheCop
Aggie had mentioned something about you quitting the pot,
I called her insane in da membrane.


I believe that was in a post from some dude that said "hey, what's happened on the board since i last posted?" It was a silly joke, we were posting things that would never happen like I became a Longhorn fan so I said Snoogs stopped smoking weed.

[TheMojoPin]

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Uh, excuse me, sir, I do believe the terminology should be updated to "a TERRORIST'S life."

I would also ask that join me in my protest against Disney until they make a change to the TERRORISTS of the Carrribbean.

Please try to be more sensitive in the future.

[ChrisTheCop]

Still not accepting it even with your own boy posting the definition SIR? lol

a square is still a rectangle even though we call it a square.
a dog is an animal, even though we call it a dog.

Just because someone is one thing, does not exclude him from being another.

[TheMojoPin]

Sir, I do not understand your tone.

I have accepted your logic and wish to apply it in all walks of life.

The terrorists surround us and they must be identified correctly.

For example, last night, I was completely terrified and terrorized when Prince Fielder came up to bat in the bottom of the 9th as the tying run. In the past, I would have incorrectly looked at him as a rival player to the sporting club which I support. Now I know that he is actually a terrorist.

[The Jays]

This idea of taking the label of "terrorist" and applying it to groups of people we would like to become enemies of is very dangerous. If today we start calling pirates terrorists, tomorrow we start calling drug dealers terrorists, then next week we start calling Democrats terrorists.

Let's keep the label of terrorist for those who seek to do damage to a nation with violence for the sake of instability.

[Snoogans]

Sir, I do not understand your tone.

I have accepted your logic and wish to apply it in all walks of life.

The terrorists surround us and they must be identified correctly.

For example, last night, I was completely terrified and terrorized when Prince Fielder came up to bat in the bottom of the 9th as the tying run. In the past, I would have incorrectly looked at him as a rival player to the sporting club which I support. Now I know that he is actually a terrorist.

Reed Johnson is epo's Osama

[ChrisTheCop]

Kids today!

Just because our government has identified a group of known terrorists,
is no reason that other people cant induce terror.

But if youre happy thinking terrorists only live in the middle east, go on about your day.

It's a word people, not just a way of life.

[TheMojoPin]

But if youre happy thinking terrorists only live in the middle east, go on about your day.

Nobody said that.

In the broad sense of the dictionary definition, terrorism could apply to these guys, but in the context as we know it it clearly does not. "Terrorism" by the modern conext as we understand and classify it denotes ideologies and politics and tactics that modern day pirates simply do not follow or are not driven by. If we apply it as broadly as you insist, then the label of "terrorist" can be applied to almost any criminal anywhere.

[The Jays]

It would be akin to saying that a drug does not necessarily mean a chemical which causes a desired effect on an organism... a drug could be anything which causes an effect, therefore, video games are drugs, pornography is a drug, having my dog lick grape jelly out of my anus is a drug. And since we are engaged in a War on Drugs, there could quite possibly be laws passed which make using those drugs illegal. That is the danger of having open ended definitions applied incorrectly to objects, people, ideas, action, etc. It can begin to make ideas coalesce into laws.

[high fly]

This idea of taking the label of "terrorist" and applying it to groups of people we would like to become enemies of is very dangerous. If today we start calling pirates terrorists, tomorrow we start calling drug dealers terrorists, then next week we start calling Democrats terrorists.

Let's keep the label of terrorist for those who seek to do damage to a nation with violence for the sake of instability.


Ever notice how every foreign leader we don't like gets referred to as a "madman"?


Right now we gots right-wingers with egg all over their faces because they underestimated President Obama.

Limpbaugh went so far today as to charge the U.S. Navy with "insubordination."

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_041309/content/01125112.guest.html

[WampusCrandle]

this time, it's off the coast of Greece (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ioLSEdn5dMEgpE6afTgGGDvFP0Eg)

[BillySolHarg]

Ever notice how every foreign leader we don't like gets referred to as a "madman"?


Right now we gots right-wingers with egg all over their faces because they underestimated President Obama.

Limpbaugh went so far today as to charge the U.S. Navy with "insubordination."

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_041309/content/01125112.guest.html

I think we're looking at a new realm of "terrorists"
Prepare for the new slogan "The War On Pirates"

[EliSnow]

Kids today!

Just because our government has identified a group of known terrorists,
is no reason that other people cant induce terror.

But if youre happy thinking terrorists only live in the middle east, go on about your day.

It's a word people, not just a way of life.

A terrorist is not just someone who "induces terror." While that's part of it, a terrorist uses acts of violence designed to induce terror for ideoglical or political purposes.

Someone who does such acts to get money or for extortion really aren't terrorists.

[Snoogans]

Looks like we pissed them off. From that linked article:

NAIROBI (AFP) — Somali pirates seized two more ships on Tuesday, brushing off their losses from deadly rescue operations and throwing down the gauntlet to US President Barack Obama after he pledged to curb piracy.



Is it wrong that part of me, at least for the ones who were doing it to protect their waters and bring attention to the problems by doin this, actually is kinda with them

the guys who are just jacking shit to do it are thieves. Fine. But its tough to get real pissed off at some of these guys know why they are doing it.

[Snoogans]

btw nice work.

On Monday, the head of the group that seized the US ship Maersk Alabama vowed to retaliate for the deaths of three pirates in the military operation which rescued an American captain held on a lifeboat over the weekend.

"The American liars have killed our friends after they agreed to free the hostage without ransom... this matter will lead to retaliation and we will hunt down particularly American citizens travelling our waters," Abdi Garad said by phone from the pirate lair of Eyl.

"We will intensify our attacks even reaching very far away from Somalia waters, and next time we get American citizens... they (should) expect no mercy from us."

So far Somali pirates have never executed hostages and sought to release ships in exchange for ransoms.

[Aggie]

Looks like we pissed them off. From that linked article:

NAIROBI (AFP) — Somali pirates seized two more ships on Tuesday, brushing off their losses from deadly rescue operations and throwing down the gauntlet to US President Barack Obama after he pledged to curb piracy.



Is it wrong that part of me, at least for the ones who were doing it to protect their waters and bring attention to the problems by doin this, actually is kinda with them

the guys who are just jacking shit to do it are thieves. Fine. But its tough to get real pissed off at some of these guys know why they are doing it.

Yes, it's wrong. That turkey should have taken you out when he had a chance.

[Snoogans]

Yes, it's wrong. That turkey should have taken you out when he had a chance.

Read it though. They have never killed anyone. They are just protecting their own shit. The only way they can. Funny no one complained when we stole british ships, killed the crews, and dumped the tea. Cause England wasnt being fair right. Same shit

[underdog]

Read it though. They have never killed anyone. They are just protecting their own shit. The only way they can. Funny no one complained when we stole british ships, killed the crews, and dumped the tea. Cause England wasnt being fair right. Same shit

Wait, what are oil tankers going sort of near Somalian waters doing wrong? I'm confused.

Nevermind, did a little more reading. I thought it was just pirates taking stuff for ransoms (which a bunch of it had been). I didn't realize what else was going on.

[Snoogans]

http://patdollard.com/wp-content/uploads/somali-pirates-404_675902c.jpg

its like fuckin robbing a bank with a pencil. And they get the fuckin boats

[Snoogans]

Wait, what are oil tankers going sort of near Somalian waters doing wrong? I'm confused.

Nevermind, did a little more reading. I thought it was just pirates taking stuff for ransoms (which a bunch of it had been). I didn't realize what else was going on.

yea basically no one would help or listen to them, so they started jacking ships to make them listen. Now some guys caught on and just steal, but mostly its for that reason

[Snoogans]

MOMBASA, Kenya – Somali pirates captured four ships and took more than 60 crew members hostage in a brazen hijacking spree, while the American captain freed from their grip planned to reunite with his crew and fly home Wednesday to the United States.

Pirates have vowed revenge for the deaths of three colleagues at the hands of U.S. snipers rescuing Capt. Richard Phillips, as well as for two others slain by French forces in a separate rescue last week.

"Our latest hijackings were meant to show that no one can deter us from protecting our waters from the enemy because we believe in dying for our land," Omar Dahir Idle, a pirate based in the coastal town of Harardhere, told The Associated Press by telephone. "The recent American operation, French navy attack on our colleagues or any other operation mean nothing to us."

http://therearenosunglasses.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/ap_somalia_piracy_lon106.jpg

[beachbum]

Ever notice how every foreign leader we don't like gets referred to as a "madman"?


Right now we gots right-wingers with egg all over their faces because they underestimated President Obama.

Limpbaugh went so far today as to charge the U.S. Navy with "insubordination."

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_041309/content/01125112.guest.html


Rush is such a mega-douche it makes my brain hurt.The president gave the order to shoot on Saturday.Navy Seals were positioned on the deck of a ship with sniper rifles.They did not,by naval accounts have a clear shot opportunity until Sunday.When the opportunity presented itself three seperate Navy Seals made three kill shots from the unstable position of a moving ship's deck against three targets on an unstable boat across open water.three shots,three kills,way to go boys!!!!

I guess Rush thinks that because Obama gave the order to shoot they should have immediately opened fire?Ok,that was stupid.He would have liked nothing better than for that to happen.If the mission had ended in disaster he would have jerked off live on the air and started yelling" Jimmy Carter Jimmy Carter"into the mike.

[scottinnj]

Read it though. They have never killed anyone. They are just protecting their own shit. The only way they can. Funny no one complained when we stole british ships, killed the crews, and dumped the tea. Cause England wasnt being fair right. Same shit

King George complained, and a war was fought.

[Snoogans]

King George complained, and a war was fought.

yea and thats fine. I just dont get the outrage and acting like they are somehow savages. Stop people from dumping and fishing there and they wont do it

[Snoogans]

http://uk.reuters.com/article/UKNews1/idUKTRE53E0G320090415

The officials said another pirate gang fired automatic rifles and rocket-propelled grenades at the Liberian-flagged 21,887-tonne Safmarine Asia. They said it managed to escape and that there was no word of any casualties. The U.S.-flagged cargo ship Liberty Sun also was attacked by pirates firing rocket-propelled grenades and automatic weapons, the ship's owner, New York-based Liberty Maritime, said in a statement.

The pirates damaged the ship but did not manage to board it. Liberty Sun immediately requested help from the U.S. Navy and is now under escort. The ship was carrying U.S. food aid and headed to Mombasa, Kenya, from Houston.

[Knowledged_one]

Since there are no jobs to be had here im thinking of moving to somalia and becoming a pirate hopefully i can find a container bound for bawmer with russian whores in it

[Snoogans]

Since there are no jobs to be had here im thinking of moving to somalia and becoming a pirate hopefully i can find a container bound for bawmer with russian whores in it

It went past the bridge at 0800 and docked at potapsaco. Thats Baltimore CITY.

You like like you could use a good cup of coffee

[Knowledged_one]

That fuckin guy mcnulty