Women and their Babies

[Scanty]

I would ask Dr. Steve, but I want a woman's input.

About ten years ago, as I was laying in bed waiting to go to sleep, listening to a syndicated broadcast of Loveline with Adam and Dr. Drew on the old 102.7 WNEW New York talk radio station, I heard Dr. Drew say something that I haven't been able to forget since.

We all know that a woman's sex drive cannot keep up with that of a man's. Men think of sex constantly. Our favorite past time is sex. If life would allow, I would stay home and have sex all day. That's how much I like it. What Dr. Drew said was [that the drive of a woman to want to have a baby is about as equal, if not equal, to the drive of a man to want to have sex.] Keep in mind that what the woman is craving the baby, and not the sex with the man.
How backstabbing is that!?

As a guy I could care less about babies. I don't think about them. I would think it best not to have them (my avatar is a picture of a Cherub, mind you, it's art, it's totally different.) You, the woman, is who I'm interested in. You are the one that makes me feel good, and whom I like to look at. I don't want anyone else to get--in between--in our picture, I just want it to be YOU & ME.

In my experiences with women, babies, seem to be their favorite subject matter. It will put a smile on their face. Relentless talk about their current babies, about wanting to have babies, about pregnancy plans. On the times that I've brought up questions to their logic, I have been avoided, and have never been given a straight answer.

I have been tempted to accuse them, and will accuse them now, that what they really want is to feel like little girls again, playing house, and playing with their dolls! In my opinion it is not mature behavior that they are exhibiting with their obsession of babies, but rather that they are reverting back to infancy wanting to play with lifelike baby dolls that they never really left behind!

But that's me, and I could be wrong, maybe it's all just a terrible tragedy.
Comments anyone? I want some answers.

[Snoogans]

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[drjoek]

I would ask Dr. Steve, but I want a woman's input.

About ten years ago, as I was laying in bed waiting to go to sleep, listening to a syndicated broadcast of Loveline with Adam and Dr. Drew on the old 102.7 WNEW New York talk radio station, I heard Dr. Drew say something that I haven't been able to forget since.

We all know that a woman's sex drive cannot keep up with that of a man's. Men think of sex constantly. Our favorite past time is sex. If life would allow, I would stay home and have sex all day. That's how much I like it. What Dr. Drew said was [that the drive of a woman to want to have a baby is about as equal, if not equal, to the drive of a man to want to have sex.] Keep in mind that what the woman is craving the baby, and not the sex with the man.
How backstabbing is that!?

As a guy I could care less about babies. I don't think about them. I would think it best not to have them (my avatar is a picture of a Cherub, mind you, it's art, it's totally different.) You, the woman, is who I'm interested in. You are the one that makes me feel good, and whom I like to look at. I don't want anyone else to get--in between--in our picture, I just want it to be YOU & ME.

In my experiences with women, babies, seem to be their favorite subject matter. It will put a smile on their face. Relentless talk about their current babies, about wanting to have babies, about pregnancy plans. On the times that I've brought up questions to their logic, I have been avoided, and have never been given a straight answer.

I have been tempted to accuse them, and will accuse them now, that what they really want is to feel like little girls again, playing house, and playing with their dolls! In my opinion it is not mature behavior that they are exhibiting with their obsession of babies, but rather that they are reverting back to infancy wanting to play with lifelike baby dolls that they never really left behind!

But that's me, and I could be wrong, maybe it's all just a terrible tragedy.
Comments anyone? I want some answers.


What are you 15 yo?
Grow up some time soon.

[EliSnow]

Where are you from again?

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Staten Island, N.Y.
Posts: 73

Ohhhhh.

[Scanty]

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That's how I feel about babies in general.

[Scanty]

What are you 15 yo?
Grow up some time soon.

That's not an answer.

[Scanty]

Where are you from again?



Ohhhhh.

Is that an answer?

[Scanty]

I like the outrage.

[EliSnow]

That's not an answer.

Is that an answer?

They both are answers. Both drjoek and I are essentially asserting that your idea that women don't crave sex and only have sex to make babies is rather immature and/or ridiculous.

[EliSnow]

I like the outrage.

Um, that's not outrage you're seeing. It's ridicule.

[Coach]

They both are answers. Both drjoek and I are essentially asserting that your idea that women don't crave sex and only have sex to make babies is rather immature and/or ridiculous.
1) I dated a woman who was only having sex with me...and as I later found out with my friend to have a baby..she and her friend were both trying to get pregnant..
2)That said..I read somewhere that a women's sex drive really kicks in around age 35..while a male's peaks at 18.
3) From what I have seen..women have just as high a sex drive as men..and like men..some more than others.

[Scanty]

Um, that's not outrage you're seeing. It's ridicule.

I obviously got a rise out of you, otherwise you wouldn't be "ridiculing".

[MacVittie]

I have been tempted to accuse them, and will accuse them now, that what they really want is to feel like little girls again, playing house, and playing with their dolls! In my opinion it is not mature behavior that they are exhibiting with their obsession of babies, but rather that they are reverting back to infancy wanting to play with lifelike baby dolls that they never really left behind!

I think you have it totally reversed. Playing with dolls as children is little girls trying to emulate women. Having children is not women trying to emulate little girls. I can't think of a bigger benchmark of adulthood for women than a) becoming fertile and b) having children.

[EliSnow]

I obviously got a rise out of you, otherwise you wouldn't be "ridiculing".

Nope. I can make jokes about someone without a rise coming from me.

[Scanty]

They both are answers. Both drjoek and I are essentially asserting that your idea that women don't crave sex and only have sex to make babies is rather immature and/or ridiculous.

I'm sure they crave it to an extent, it feels good.
Why does a relationship change after a kid is born? It becomes all about the kid.

[EliSnow]

Why does a relationship change after a kid is born? It becomes all about the kid.

It doesn't become ALL about the kid, but raising and taking care of a child is a huge responsibility. It has to change any relationship and the people in it. If it doesn't, those people are very poor parents.

[underdog]

Why does a relationship change after a kid is born? It becomes all about the kid.

:huh:

[Suspect Chin]

We all know that a woman's sex drive cannot keep up with that of a man's. Men think of sex constantly. Our favorite past time is sex. If life would allow, I would stay home and have sex all day. That's how much I like it. What Dr. Drew said was [that the drive of a woman to want to have a baby is about as equal, if not equal, to the drive of a man to want to have sex.] Keep in mind that what the woman is craving the baby, and not the sex with the man.
How backstabbing is that!?



It is a pretty interesting theory if it is not exaggerated and truly came from Dr. Drew (who does happen to be a somewhat respected medical figure--minus his constant media whoring). However, I am doubtful that Dr. Drew would make such a blanket statement.

[Scanty]

I think you have it totally reversed. Playing with dolls as children is little girls trying to emulate women. Having children is not women trying to emulate little girls. I can't think of a bigger benchmark of adulthood for women than a) becoming fertile and b) having children.

Giving birth is something that eventually happens with women, it's bound to happen with our biology, contraceptives aside, but what's with the obsession about it? Some will have kids while they, or the father, are not financially stable. What are your thoughts on the Octoplet mom?

Does producing sperm, and having children make a male any more mature? Why is that so with women?

[EliSnow]

Does producing sperm, and having children make a male any more mature? Why is that so with women?

He said benchmark for adulthood. Men don't have the same types of benchmarks, and none of them are as substantial as menstrating and giving birth.

[Coach]

This was a hotly contested issue when I was in High School morals class...
"Women play at sex to get love. Men Play at love to get sex."

I have seen teens that intentionally get pregnant to have a baby and feel loved. I thought that it was a Jerry Springer thing, until I had a girls I coached who got pregnant because they wanted someone to love them. I found that really sad.

[MacVittie]

...but what's with the obsession about it?

the survival of our species?

[Scanty]

It doesn't become ALL about the kid, but raising and taking care of a child is a huge responsibility. It has to change any relationship and the people in it. If it doesn't, those people are very poor parents.

Does that include a lack of sex afterwards? How many times have you heard that, people not having sex after the kids are born? You know there's no real excuse. Too tired? Please.

[EliSnow]

Does that include a lack of sex afterwards? How many times have you heard that, people not having sex after the kids are born? You know there's no real excuse. Too tired? Please.

Um, yes, it is an excuse. When the parents are up several times a night for weeks on end, there is less desire.

However, in my experience, most parents still have sex. Your overall comment is that women as a gender don't want sex, and that's just bs.

[Scanty]

It is a pretty interesting theory if it is not exaggerated and truly came from Dr. Drew (who does happen to be a somewhat respected medical figure--minus his constant media whoring). However, I am doubtful that Dr. Drew would make such a blanket statement.

Dr. Drew said what's in the brackets.

[the drive of a woman to want to have a baby is about as equal, if not equal, to the drive of a man to want to have sex.]

He was quoting a study.

[EliSnow]

Dr. Drew said what's in the brackets.

[the drive of a woman to want to have a baby is about as equal, if not equal, to the drive of a man to want to have sex.]

He was quoting a study.

Side question. Why are you using brackets to mark a quote?

Are you familiar with quotation marks?

[Scanty]

He said benchmark for adulthood. Men don't have the same types of benchmarks, and none of them are as substantial as menstrating and giving birth.

It might be a benchmark, but it doesn't make them mature.

[Suspect Chin]

Dr. Drew said what's in the brackets.

[the drive of a woman to want to have a baby is about as equal, if not equal, to the drive of a man to want to have sex.]

He was quoting a study.

Yeah I get that [not sure why you used square brackets in a quote, but whatever]. My point is that you he probably said something to that effect and you have exaggerated it 10 years later.

[Scanty]

Side question. Why are you using brackets to mark a quote?

Are you familiar with quotation marks?

Because it was ten years ago, and I don't remember the remark word for word. Brackets are used when a quote isn't word for word.

[Scanty]

Yeah I get that [not sure why you used square brackets in a quote, but whatever]. My point is that you he probably said something to that effect and you have exaggerated it 10 years later.

How can I dispute that? I don't have the audio.
All I can say is that I absolutely did not exaggerate it.

[EliSnow]

Because it was ten years ago, and I don't remember the remark word for word. Brackets are used when a quote isn't word for word.

What?!

I've never heard or seen that, and I write legal briefs for a living. When someone quotes someone but doesn't remember the exact words, you say that the person "said something like ..." You don't use brackets.

[MacVittie]

go back to wackbag with this nonsense

[Suspect Chin]

What?!

I've never heard or seen that, and I write legal briefs for a living. When someone quotes someone but doesn't remember the exact words, you say that the person "said something like ..." You don't use brackets.

Or they can be used in a quote to clarify or indicate that the quote is not exact.

From Wikipedia:

Examples include: “I appreciate it [the honor], but I must refuse”, and “the future of psionics [see definition] is in doubt”.

[Scanty]

What?!

I've never heard or seen that, and I write legal briefs for a living. When someone quotes someone but doesn't remember the exact words, you say that the person "said something like ..." You don't use brackets.

Brackets (http://crofsblogs.typepad.com/english/2006/01/use_of_brackets.html)
They are used when you insert something of your own in a quotation, being that I don't remember the remark exactly has he said it, I consider them all my words, expressing his statements, therefore it's all in brackets.

[EliSnow]

Or they can be used in a quote to clarify or indicate that the quote is not exact.

From Wikipedia:

Examples include: “I appreciate it [the honor], but I must refuse”, and “the future of psionics [see definition] is in doubt”.

That's different from what Scant is doing. In such an instance (as seen above), the brackets are used inside a quote marked by quotations marks, and it's done for clarification.

For instance, in the first example, the original quote was "I appreciate it, but I must refuse." So the writer inserts "the honor" in brackets so that the reader know what the speaker meant by "it."

No one ever uses brackets around an entire quotation to mean that the speaker said something like the passage.

[SatCam]

ugh

[EliSnow]

Brackets (http://crofsblogs.typepad.com/english/2006/01/use_of_brackets.html)
They are used when you insert something of your own in a quotation, ...

But that's not what you did. You didn't insert something of your own in a quotation. You marked an entire quotation in brackets. When you use brackets for this purpose, you should only be replacing one or two words, not an entire sentence.

Dr. Drew said what's in the brackets.

[the drive of a woman to want to have a baby is about as equal, if not equal, to the drive of a man to want to have sex.]

He was quoting a study.

[Suspect Chin]

That's different from what Scant is doing. In such an instance (as seen above), the brackets are used inside a a quote marked by quotations marks, and it's done for clarification.

For instance, if the first instance, the original quote was "I appreciate it, but I must refuse." So the writer inserts "the honor" in brackets so that the reader know what the speaker meant by "it."

No one ever uses brackets around and entire quotation to mean that the speaker said something like the passage.

Ha. Maybe he should have typed:

"[the drive of a woman to want to have a baby is about as equal, if not equal, to the drive of a man to want to have sex]."

[EliSnow]

Ha. Maybe he should have typed:

"[the drive of a woman to want to have a baby is about as equal, if not equal, to the drive of a man to want to have sex]."

It would still be a mistake.

If you are writing about the gist of what someone said, as opposed to their exact remarks, he would write:

Dr. Drew said that the drive of a woman to want to have a baby is about as equal to the drive of a man to want to have sex, or something to that effect.

[Scanty]

When you use brackets for this purpose, you should only be replacing one or two words, not an entire sentence.

Is there a rule saying that?
What does this have to do with the topic?

[EliSnow]

Is there a rule saying that?


Yes, there is. You quoted it above, but didn't apply it correctly.



What does this have to do with the topic?

Absolutely nothing, which is why I called it a side question.

[lleeder]

Dr. Drew said what's in the brackets.

[the drive of a woman to want to have a baby is about as equal, if not equal, to the drive of a man to want to have sex.]

He was quoting a study.

Dr. Octopus said stuff too.

[Suspect Chin]

It would still be a mistake.

If you are writing about the gist of what someone said, as opposed to their exact remarks, he would write:

Dr. Drew said that the drive of a woman to want to have a baby is about as equal to the drive of a man to want to have sex, or something to that effect.

The square brackets themselves indicate that the quote is not exact therefore there is no need to restate it before the quote. The case I stated above is taken to the extreme, but I think it is structurally correct.

[Hottub]

Please don't ever use "instance" twice in the same sentence again.

Carry on.

[Coach]

Only here would a thread about women and babies force me to look for my copy of Strunk and White's Elements of Style.

[EliSnow]

The square brackets themselves indicate that the quote is not exact therefore there is no need to restate it before the quote. The case I stated above is taken to the extreme, but I think it is structurally correct.

No, because he would have to have portions of the actual quotation, and replace one portion of it, with his own words. You have quotations marks when you are using actual words someone said. Your example doesn't have any words that are actually spoken.

[Scanty]

Alright, I get it.
It's a simple syntax error.
I'm not an English major.

[weekapaugjz]

Dr. Octopus said stuff too.

This made me laugh really hard. :clap:

[lleeder]

No, because he would have to have portions of the actual quotation, and replace one portion of it, with his own words. You have quotations marks when you are using actual words someone said. Your example doesn't have any words that are actually spoken.

I agree. He should have included an annotated bibliography as well.

[EliSnow]

Please don't ever use "instance" twice in the same sentence again.

Carry on.

Oops.

[Suspect Chin]

No, because he would have to have portions of the actual quotation, and replace one portion of it, with his own words. You have quotations marks when you are using actual words someone said. Your example doesn't have any words that are actually spoken.

Mine is the extreme case where the entire quote is replaced with his ad lib. Obviously no one should ever actually do that, but it does not violate the rule.

[drjoek]

Dr. Octopus said stuff too.


"I meant what I said, and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful, one hundred percent."
Dr. Seuss MD

[EliSnow]

Mine is the extreme case where the entire quote is replaced with his ad lib. Obviously no one should ever actually do that, but it does not violate the rule.

Again, yes it does because you need to have something of the original quotation in the passage. If you don't, then you shouldn't use the quotation marks (because quotation marks indicate when you are quoting someone), and then you don't need the brackets (which are supposed to separate the inserted language from the original quotation).

[Scanty]

Come on, those two aren't real doctors.

[Suspect Chin]

Again, yes it does because you need to have something of the original quotation in the passage. If you don't, then you don't need the quotation marks (because quotation marks indicate when you are quoting someone), and then you don't need the brackets (which separate the inserted language from the original quotation).

Ok here you go:

What Dr. Drew said was "that the [drive of a woman to want to have a baby is about as equal, if not equal, to the drive of a man to want to have sex]."

Now part of the original quote exists in the quotation marks.

[EliSnow]

Ok here you go:

What Dr. Drew said was "that the [drive of a woman to want to have a baby is about as equal, if not equal, to the drive of a man to want to have sex]."

Now part of the original quote exists in the quotation marks.

I think that satisifes the rule, but any english teacher or person who writes regularly would pull their hair out and tell you just to take out the quotation marks and the brackets, because there's no need for either.

[Suspect Chin]

I think that satisifes the rule, but any english teacher or person who writes regularly would pull their hair out and tell you just to take out the quotation marks and the brackets, because there's no need for either.

Agreed.

Re-read all my posts using Ron's "Devil's Advocate" voice.

[Kublakhan61]

[I]
How backstabbing is that!?

I guess that makes women smarter then men? The proof is in the post.


We are the chemicals in our brain. Recognize.

[jennysmurf]

I'm a woman, and I have never wanted children. How's that for messing up a theory?

[PapaBear]

I'm a woman, and I have never wanted children. How's that for messing up a theory?
You are also the only woman to post in this thread so far. Aside from lleeder, that is.

[pwrplantgirl]

Well then here's another woman.

I never used to want kids, but now that I feel like my life is where I want it to be, I'm starting to get a stronger desire to have children.

[TNABuffalo]

No, because he would have to have portions of the actual quotation, and replace one portion of it, with his own words. You have quotations marks when you are using actual words someone said. Your example doesn't have any words that are actually spoken.

the amount of errors here detract from your statement

[Scanty]

I'm a woman, and I have never wanted children. How's that for messing up a theory?

So tell me about your sex life. How often do you have sex?
Everyday? Every week? Every month? Every Year? Or every couple of years?

[Scanty]

Well then here's another woman.

I never used to want kids, but now that I feel like my life is where I want it to be, I'm starting to get a stronger desire to have children.

So Tell me about your sex life. Tell me about the before and after of having this strong desire. How often did you have sex? And how often do you have it now?
Everyday? Every week? Every month? Every Year? Or every couple of years?

[Scanty]

the amount of errors here detract from your statement

Enough about the grammar. :surrender:

[Scanty]

I guess that makes women smarter then men? The proof is in the post.


We are the chemicals in our brain. Recognize.

It's alright if we are the chemicals in our brains. There's practically nothing that we can do about that. I have a hunch, and I just want somebody to tell me the truth, of how it is, bluntly. That it is not always about maturity, but in fact immaturity, that there is some backstabbing, and that there is some selfishness.

In this day in age, with all of our scientific knowledge, having a child should be an agreed decision between two parties. It's a huge life changing decision. I don't see why women are ultimately the ones who get to decide. Two people can agree to have sex (it's for fun and pleasure), but not agree to have children (it's a change of life.)

Don't say, "that is how our society runs," 'cause that blows.
Btw, I don't have kids, and I'm not expecting any.
I have seen these circumstances happen with friends and family, and I'm sure you have too. It just bothers me.

[Melk]

Dr. Drew said that the drive of a woman to want to have a baby is about as equal to the drive of a man to want to have sex, or something to that effect.
Yeah, but he also said that "a women who had her clitoris removed through female circumcision can eventually expect to have normal sexual sensation return to her genitalia."

His specialty is treatment of addiction, what the hell does he know about hormonal effect on the human psyche?

[~Katja~]

Scanty, it seems you are not very perceptive to other people's opinion...you have yours made up (10 years ago) and are sticking with it.

I have a kid, I had it at 27 and I had plenty of sex before having a kid without the desire or intent of making a baby when doing so.

Does that include a lack of sex afterwards? How many times have you heard that, people not having sex after the kids are born? You know there's no real excuse. Too tired? Please.
Yes, the sex drive for many (not all) women slows down immediately after having a baby, their body has gone through major changes carrying a child for 9 months sharing blood and nutrition with the baby... not to forget the sleepless nights for the first months and more changes if she decides to nurse the child.
In most cases the baby was wanted by both mother and father, and a caring smart man can understand the changes his woman has gone through and put his own selfish sexual desires on the back burner for a few weeks.
I will tell you honestly that after that first year of being a mom my sex drive increased a lot... if you think it dies completely with having a kid then you are way off.

[Sweet_Ness]

I think women are more aware of their fertility and the need to have a baby because we are on a limited time schedule. Whereas a man can decide at 70 to have a child. As mammals it is our natural instinct to want to reproduce and continue on. I know men that want to be fathers, so it can't be just women who want to have children. Sex, depending on the couple doesn't stop, the need for it just becomes less of a priority. It's about being mature and having a quality relationship. A single man or woman might not have the 'baby fever' because they are not at that point emotionally to take on that responsibility.

[EliSnow]

I will tell you honestly that after that first year of being a mom my sex drive increased a lot... if you think it dies completely with having a kid then you are way off.


Apparently, Dr. Drew would say that the only reason it increased is that you wanted another baby.

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-confused002.gif

[~Katja~]

Apparently, Dr. Drew would say that the only reason it increased is that you wanted another baby.

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-confused002.gif

I know, he is wrong though... I just got a better sex partner who knew how it's done...
;)

[Gvac]

I know, he is wrong though... I just got a better sex partner who knew how it's done...
;)

Gross.

It's Easter Sunday!

Sex is for Procreation ONLY!

SINNERS!

[lleeder]

Apparently, Dr. Drew would say that the only reason it increased is that you wanted another baby.

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-confused002.gif

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[~Katja~]

Gross.

It's Easter Sunday!

Sex is for Procreation ONLY!

SINNERS!

sorry... I will go back to attending the church of gvac some time soon

[~Katja~]

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I hate you! Now this stupid thing will be stuck in my head :furious:

[EliSnow]

I hate you! Now this stupid thing will be stuck in my head :furious:

Could be worse.

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[~Katja~]

Could be worse.

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:wallbash::furious::wallbash:

[A.J.]

Could be worse.

Yes it could.

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