Now its right wing radicals that are gonna attack

[SP1!]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/14/federal-agency-warns-of-radicals-on-right/

Im sure of what most of the boards comments will be but I was against bush doing this kind of shit and Im against obama admin doing this kind of shit.

Its also kind of suspect that this release comes out a day after Texas's governor says not to fuck with his state, like it or not the government should not tell a state how to spend money that was paid in from the states collection of tax revenue.

[Recyclerz]

C'mon SP. It doesn't seem to me a ridiculous statement to say that we have to watch out for fringe sociopaths on the right, (yes like Timothy McVeigh), as well as Islamist terrorists and their ilk. The Right-wing types worry me a little more because I suspect they can actually shoot what they're aiming at.

However, if the Townhall types are right and Obama starts arresting the Teabaggers and throwing them in FEMA re-education camps without the right of habeus corpus, you have my word I'll be on the barricades right next to you.

[led37zep]

Texas wants to break up...kinda.

Lets see other States (http://www.wilsoncountynews.com/article.php?id=23004&n=-gov-perry-backs-resolution-affirming-texas-sovereignty-under-10th)

[keithy_19]

I thought I read some where that Obama and his staff were backing away from those statements.

It is interesting how they are coming right before people are planning large protests across the country. But I don't think anyone would try to make protesters out to be dangerous...

[Drunky McBetidont]

I thought I read some where that Obama and his staff were backing away from those statements.

It is interesting how they are coming right before people are planning large protests across the country. But I don't think anyone would try to make protesters out to be dangerous...

http://media-files.gather.com/images/d147/d597/d744/d224/d96/f3/full.jpg

[The Jays]

It seems likely to me. I mean, on the other hand, if there was to be a warning of leftwing extremist activity, all we'd have to worry people paying for our heathcare for and our work hours reduced while receiving the same pay.

[led37zep]

It seems likely to me. I mean, on the other hand, if there was to be a warning of leftwing extremist activity, all we'd have to worry people paying for our heathcare for and our work hours reduced while receiving the same pay.

Holy shit you're crazy.

[Knowledged_one]

It seems likely to me. I mean, on the other hand, if there was to be a warning of leftwing extremist activity, all we'd have to worry people paying for our heathcare for and our work hours reduced while receiving the same pay.

dont forget cutting defense budget money and whole programs

[Drunky McBetidont]

dont forget cutting defense budget money and whole programs

and then the whores move in.

[TheMojoPin]

I thought I read some where that Obama and his staff were backing away from those statements.

It is interesting how they are coming right before people are planning large protests across the country. But I don't think anyone would try to make protesters out to be dangerous...

The protests have nothing to do with anything.

And these complaints about the government being "too big" coming from where they're coming from as it if it suddenly exploded in scope and size just over the last two months really ring hollow.

[Knowledged_one]

and then the whores move in.

god bless the left and their love of whores

[HBox]

god bless the left and their love of whores

Without liberals there'd be no whores and without conservatives there'd be no money to pay them. It's what makes this two party system work damnit!

Let me just wipe away this tear......

[The Jays]

Without conservatives, whores would have no money, and without liberals, whores wouldn't be able to see a doctor for the STDs conservatives give them.

[led37zep]

Without conservatives, whores would have no money, and without liberals, whores wouldn't be able to see a doctor for the STDs conservatives give them.

Holy shit you're crazy.

You and I need to take a tour of UO.

[Knowledged_one]

Heres the solution give the whores jobs in health care

[instrument]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/14/federal-agency-warns-of-radicals-on-right/

Im sure of what most of the boards comments will be but I was against bush doing this kind of shit and Im against obama admin doing this kind of shit.

Its also kind of suspect that this release comes out a day after Texas's governor says not to fuck with his state, like it or not the government should not tell a state how to spend money that was paid in from the states collection of tax revenue.

so you think that the "obama admin" is manufacturing intelligence?
seriously?

[boosterp]

...of a few disgruntled war veterans could swell the ranks...

I may be disgruntled but I am not joining one of these wacko groups.

[TjM]

So we need to watch out for right wing racist gun toting nutso's

:ohmy:

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8027/larperoftheyear.jpg

[EliSnow]

Apparently, in January, the administration issued a report about left-wing extremists and their security risk. This report and the right wing one were both initiated under W's administration.

[LordJezo]

At the gym today this topic was all the rage in conversation.

A lot of people are freaked out that they are going to be labeled extremists for voting against Obama and are worried about what is going to happen to them.

Also discussed were the FEMA work camps that I have brought up here before and if now that the voting records are being held by Homeland Security for review they will be put into them for not voting Democrat.

Times we live in are getting scarier and scarier and the general public is fearful for their future.

[booster11373]

Voting records?

[underdog]

At the gym today this topic was all the rage in conversation.

A lot of people are freaked out that they are going to be labeled extremists for voting against Obama and are worried about what is going to happen to them.

Also discussed were the FEMA work camps that I have brought up here before and if now that the voting records are being held by Homeland Security for review they will be put into them for not voting Democrat.

Times we live in are getting scarier and scarier and the general public is fearful for their future.

What kind of awful gym do you go to?

[EliSnow]

At the gym today this topic was all the rage in conversation.

A lot of people are freaked out that they are going to be labeled extremists for voting against Obama and are worried about what is going to happen to them.

Also discussed were the FEMA work camps that I have brought up here before and if now that the voting records are being held by Homeland Security for review they will be put into them for not voting Democrat.

Times we live in are getting scarier and scarier and the general public is fearful for their future.

So because some people you hang out with have irrational fears about being extremists means the entire general public is fearful?

[mikeyboy]

At the gym today this topic was all the rage in conversation.

A lot of people are freaked out that they are going to be labeled extremists for voting against Obama and are worried about what is going to happen to them.

Also discussed were the FEMA work camps that I have brought up here before and if now that the voting records are being held by Homeland Security for review they will be put into them for not voting Democrat.

Times we live in are getting scarier and scarier and the general public is fearful for their future.

http://www.mspmentor.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/yawn1.jpg

[A.J.]

A lot of people are freaked out that they are going to be labeled extremists for voting against Obama and are worried about what is going to happen to them.

All registered Republicans are doomed!

[TheMojoPin]

At the gym today this topic was all the rage in conversation.

A lot of people are freaked out that they are going to be labeled extremists for voting against Obama and are worried about what is going to happen to them.

Also discussed were the FEMA work camps that I have brought up here before and if now that the voting records are being held by Homeland Security for review they will be put into them for not voting Democrat.

Times we live in are getting scarier and scarier and the general public is fearful for their future.

I'm just playing to your awful character, but there was little in the report that hasn't been common knowledge for a long time now. Extremist Rightwing groups and militias and individuals are nothing new, and given that they made themselves known the last time we had a Democratic president who tried to kickstart a lot of "liberal agendas," it's not as tretch to be on guard against a potenial rise in activity with a blck Democratic president in office.

You and your fake gym friends are being ridiculous. If you honestly think you guys could be mistaken for extremists or milita members, you all might to take a good long look at yourself and your beliefs.

[LordJezo]

I'm just playing to your awful character, but there was little in the report that hasn't been common knowledge for a long time now. Extremist Rightwing groups and militias and individuals are nothing new, and given that they made themselves known the last time we had a Democratic president who tried to kickstart a lot of "liberal agendas," it's not as tretch to be on guard against a potenial rise in activity with a blck Democratic president in office.

You and your fake gym friends are being ridiculous. If you honestly think you guys could be mistaken for extremists or milita members, you all might to take a good long look at yourself and your beliefs.

One guy there was going on about how if you don't completely support all abortions then you will be on their list as not thinking with the Democrats and will be investigated. I had to walk away from it all, I didn't want to get involved in conversations that may be monitored and be anymore on a list than I already am.

It's not that it's simply crazy fringe people that are being targeted but the feeling out there is that anyone who did not vote for Obama will be watched as a potential terrorist.

[EliSnow]

One guy there was going on about how if you don't completely support all abortions then you will be on their list as not thinking with the Democrats and will be investigated. I had to walk away from it all, I didn't want to get involved in conversations that may be monitored and be anymore on a list than I already am.

It's not that it's simply crazy fringe people that are being targeted but the feeling out there is that anyone who did not vote for Obama will be watched as a potential terrorist.

Oh stop it. Anyone who believes this crap is either an idiot or deluded.

[underdog]

Oh stop it. Anyone who believes this crap is either an idiot or deluded.

Please stop paying attention to him.

[mikeyboy]

One guy there was going on about how if you don't completely support all abortions then you will be on their list as not thinking with the Democrats and will be investigated. I had to walk away from it all, I didn't want to get involved in conversations that may be monitored and be anymore on a list than I already am.

It's not that it's simply crazy fringe people that are being targeted but the feeling out there is that anyone who did not vote for Obama will be watched as a potential terrorist.

Again.

http://www.mspmentor.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/yawn1.jpg

[LordJezo]

Please stop paying attention to him.

Basically this. The left is trying to push away any subversive and alternate thinking (meaing anyone who does not vote for them) in order to complete their total stranglehold on the government. They want no one around who will vote against them and if you do they will put you on extremist watch lists and monitor what you are doing.


Again.

Yawn

Of course you yawn, you are on the left's side and don't need to worry about the safety of your family (yet), but they will eventually turn on their own (or ones that they say are their own), and you'll have no where to hide.

[TheMojoPin]

It's not that it's simply crazy fringe people that are being targeted but the feeling out there is that anyone who did not vote for Obama will be watched as a potential terrorist.

That feeling is paranoia.

[underdog]

Basically this. The left is trying to push away any subversive and alternate thinking (meaing anyone who does not vote for them) in order to complete their total stranglehold on the government. They want no one around who will vote against them and if you do they will put you on extremist watch lists and monitor what you are doing.




Of course you yawn, you are on the left's side and don't need to worry about the safety of your family (yet), but they will eventually turn on their own (or ones that they say are their own), and you'll have no where to hide.

Boo.

[foodcourtdruide]

Omg, can you guys stop with these non-issues? When did the republican party become the conspiracy theorist party?

[earthbrown]

Basically this. The left is trying to push away any subversive and alternate thinking (meaing anyone who does not vote for them) in order to complete their total stranglehold on the government. They want no one around who will vote against them and if you do they will put you on extremist watch lists and monitor what you are doing.




Of course you yawn, you are on the left's side and don't need to worry about the safety of your family (yet), but they will eventually turn on their own (or ones that they say are their own), and you'll have no where to hide.


+1

But the right also liked to watch the fringe left when they were in power. It is just political bullshit.

K

[TheMojoPin]

+1

But the right also liked to watch the fringe left when they were in power. It is just political bullshit.

K

Hey, it's one of Jezo's gym buddies!

And what comparable "fringe left" groups exist that are like the potential threat posed by Rightwing milita groups?

Again, these militia groups are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY off of the political spectrum we typically talk about here. Just because they're Rightwing doesn't make them anywhere close to neo-cons or conservatives as we know them. Attention paid to them or criticism levelled at them has nothing to do with everday Republicans or conservatives.

[foodcourtdruide]

Hey, it's one of Jezo's gym buddies!

And what comparable "fringe left" groups exist that are like the potential threat posed by Rightwing milita groups?

Again, these militia groups are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY off of the political spectrum we typically talk about here. Just because they're Rightwing doesn't make them anywhere close to neo-cons or conservatives as we know them. Attention paid to them or criticism levelled at them has nothing to do with everday Republicans or conservatives.

I don't know why we are pretending the report could possibly, remotely, be referring to anything other than the groups Mojo is talking about. It's a waste of time and just lies that Hannity and Limbaugh peddle to morons who want to feel that liberals are out to get them.

[TheMojoPin]

I don't know why we are pretending the report could possibly, remotely, be referring to anything other than the groups Mojo is talking about. It's a waste of time and just lies that Hannity and Limbaugh peddle to morons who want to feel that liberals are out to get them.

I really don't know why people who look at themselves as conservatives or Republicans feel the need to get defensive over this. It clearly has absolutely nothing to do with them. Like I said before, if you honestly think you could be mistaken for a militia member, you're not just a conservative or "disagreeing with the Left."

[Furtherman]

When did the republican party become the conspiracy theorist party?

Let them! Soon they'll be sponsoring luncheons with the Loose Change guys.

[KatPw]

Basically this. The left is trying to push away any subversive and alternate thinking (meaing anyone who does not vote for them) in order to complete their total stranglehold on the government. They want no one around who will vote against them and if you do they will put you on extremist watch lists and monitor what you are doing.




Of course you yawn, you are on the left's side and don't need to worry about the safety of your family (yet), but they will eventually turn on their own (or ones that they say are their own), and you'll have no where to hide.

Dude, the same shit was said during Bush's administration. This past summer there were reports about the military rolling through towns in the dead of night, towns that are nowhere near a military base. Then there was the plastic coffin conspiracy, wherein the administration was gearing up to declare Martial law. Here's a video that is dated August 24, 2008:

<embed src="http://www.disclose.tv/embedPlayer.php?vid=a4b4a777d704346280fc18fc9" flashvars="config=http://www.disclose.tv/videoConfigXmlCode.php?pg=video_7536_no_0_extsite" quality="high" bgcolor="#000000" width="425" height="355" name="flvplayer" align="middle" allowscriptaccess="always" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer" allowfullscreen="true"><br><a href="http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/7536/">MILLIONS OF PLASTIC FEMA COFFINS - ORDERED BY BUSH</a>

Both sides love conspiracies, it drums up outrage. I'll be the first to admit I love conspiracy theories, but even I know when to take the tinfoil hat off.

[foodcourtdruide]

I really don't know why people who look at themselves as conservatives or Republicans feel the need to get defensive over this. It clearly has absolutely nothing to do with them. Like I said before, if you honestly think you could be mistaken for a militia member, you're not just a conservative or "disagreeing with the Left."

I have never seen a group of people jump from A-Z so quickly. I really hope conservatives in this country are hitting rock bottom and they will start revamping themselves and come back to reality. We are screwed if they are the main dissenting voice.

[foodcourtdruide]

Dude, the same shit was said during Bush's administration. This past summer there were reports about the military rolling through towns in the dead of night, towns that are nowhere near a military base. Then there was the plastic coffin conspiracy, wherein the administration was gearing up to declare Martial law. Here's a video that is dated August 24, 2008:

<embed src="http://www.disclose.tv/embedPlayer.php?vid=a4b4a777d704346280fc18fc9" flashvars="config=http://www.disclose.tv/videoConfigXmlCode.php?pg=video_7536_no_0_extsite" quality="high" bgcolor="#000000" width="425" height="355" name="flvplayer" align="middle" allowscriptaccess="always" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer" allowfullscreen="true"><br><a href="http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/7536/">MILLIONS OF PLASTIC FEMA COFFINS - ORDERED BY BUSH</a>

Both sides love conspiracies, it drums up outrage. I'll be the first to admit I love conspiracy theories, but even I know when to take the tinfoil hat off.

Lol, what a bizarre video. There are definitely conspiracies on both sides, however, the conspiracies on the right seem to spread much more into their mainstream message than those on the left. Could you imagine if Joe Biden came out as a 9/11 truther?

[SP1!]

I thought I read some where that Obama and his staff were backing away from those statements.

It is interesting how they are coming right before people are planning large protests across the country. But I don't think anyone would try to make protesters out to be dangerous...
Well this was released (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/16/napolitano-stands-rightwing-extremism/) today, so I dont think she is backing off from anything. I find it hard to believe that just because it was a black guy in office that there is some sort of elaborate conspiracy to take him out, that part is just bullshit. Most extreme racists already think that the government is in the shitter no matter who is in office.

so you think that the "obama admin" is manufacturing intelligence?
seriously?
I never said that, I hated the bush admin labeling anyone a threat that wasnt already connected to a terrorist group just because they were against their administration.

Apparently, in January, the administration issued a report about left-wing extremists and their security risk. This report and the right wing one were both initiated under W's administration.
According to that link earlier here this was recent information of an on going nature, it all reeks of political bullshit but it gets people riled up and thinking about Ok city.

[TheMojoPin]

Well this was released (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/16/napolitano-stands-rightwing-extremism/) today, so I dont think she is backing off from anything. I find it hard to believe that just because it was a black guy in office that there is some sort of elaborate conspiracy to take him out, that part is just bullshit. Most extreme racists already think that the government is in the shitter no matter who is in office.


I never said that, I hated the bush admin labeling anyone a threat that wasnt already connected to a terrorist group just because they were against their administration.


According to that link earlier here this was recent information of an on going nature, it all reeks of political bullshit but it gets people riled up and thinking about Ok city.

...

How is this labeling anyone "who is against the administration?"

Ar you seriously going to sit there and tell me you think this isn't about ACTUAL MILITA GROUPS and is really about people who simple disagree ideologically and politically wih the president?

[Coach]

...

How is this labeling anyone "who is against the administration?"

Ar you seriously going to sit there and tell me you think this isn't about ACTUAL MILITA GROUPS and is really about people who simple disagree ideologically and politically wih the president?Well the woman from Cnn at the Chicago tea Party protests called them a bunch of right wing radicals...

[TheMojoPin]

Well the woman from Cnn at the Chicago tea Party protests called them a bunch of right wing radicals...

Which has what to do with report that was issued?

[Coach]

Which has what to do with report that was issued?oh, I dunno, the fact that the liberal media is running with it and painting anyone who disagrees with Barry as possible terrorists?

[SP1!]

...

How is this labeling anyone "who is against the administration?"

Ar you seriously going to sit there and tell me you think this isn't about ACTUAL MILITA GROUPS and is really about people who simple disagree ideologically and politically wih the president?Militia groups are not as active as they would have the public believe, this appears to be a chance to stir the other side up a little and make their people happy and for them to have a bogey man or a target to go after.

Which has what to do with report that was issued?

She directly tied those protests and calls to secede as part of the people that are a threat, read the report, its as broad as the bullshit reports bush and his idiots would release.

[TheMojoPin]

Militia groups are not as active as they would have the public believe, this appears to be a chance to stir the other side up a little and make their people happy and for them to have a bogey man or a target to go after.

OK, I'm becoming convinced that nobody is actually reading the report. Nowhere does it state that any significant actions are going to be taken or need to be taken outside of being aware of and keeping an eye on militias. It's a standard domesti security report hypothesizing that fringe Rightwing militia groups might be more inclined to make themselves known these days given who is the president. It's really not a huge leap of logic and simply a precautionary report. It's not like this isn't based on precedent. These groups obviously exist and they've been active in the past, namely the last time we had a Democratic president in the White House. The only people that should be "stirred up" are the militia groups. The report clearly has nothing to do with "the other side" in terms of conservatives and Republicans. The gulf between them and the militias is gigantic.

She directly tied those protests and calls to secede as part of the people that are a threat, read the report, its as broad as the bullshit reports bush and his idiots would release

And again, she has nothing to do with the report.

The reports on foreign terrorists are noticeably different than those on domestic militias. Racist militias never went away. They have an extended violent history going back decades. That's obviously not saying that anything significant is going to happen, but it's hardly a stretch that current events might incite them or that domestic intelligence indicates an eye needs to be kept on them. The latter is something that should be going on anyway.

[TheMojoPin]

oh, I dunno, the fact that the liberal media is running with it and painting anyone who disagrees with Barry as possible terrorists?

Because that's not happening. It was one reporter letting her emotions get the better of them in a heated exchange trying to defend her network while attacking another. I really don't see what it has to do with the report or how "the media" are labelling people as terrorists simply for disagreeing with the president.

[Coach]

Because that's not happening.Fine...Go stick your head back in the sand.

[TheMojoPin]

Re-read my comment. It's not happening. At worst she took a shot at Fox News and the protesters for being "anti-CNN." It has nothing to do with the domestic security report or the media branding everyday citizens as terrorists. There's nothing to back up your accusations.

[Coach]

Re-read my comment. It's not happening. At worst she took a shot at Fox News and the protesters for being "anti-CNN." It has nothing to do with the domestic security report or the media branding everyday citizens as terrorists. There's nothing to back up your accusations.Except that they also basically called anyone who didn't like Barry Racist during the election...

[Crispy123]

Except that they also basically called anyone who didn't like Barry Racist during the election...


They suck. Whoever "they" are.

[Coach]

They suck. Whoever "they" are.
Cnn, Headline News, The New York Times.....

[Jujubees2]

One guy there was going on about how if you don't completely support all abortions then you will be on their list as not thinking with the Democrats and will be investigated. I had to walk away from it all, I didn't want to get involved in conversations that may be monitored and be anymore on a list than I already am.

It's not that it's simply crazy fringe people that are being targeted but the feeling out there is that anyone who did not vote for Obama will be watched as a potential terrorist.

Wow, I'm sure glad that I voted for Obama and that I believe in a women's right to choose.

[TheMojoPin]

Cnn, Headline News, The New York Times.....

So if this was true, you should have no troube finding extensive evidence to back up such a declaration.

[Jujubees2]

At the gym today this topic was all the rage in conversation.

A lot of people are freaked out that they are going to be labeled extremists for voting against Obama and are worried about what is going to happen to them.

Also discussed were the FEMA work camps that I have brought up here before and if now that the voting records are being held by Homeland Security for review they will be put into them for not voting Democrat.

Times we live in are getting scarier and scarier and the general public is fearful for their future.

Hey LordJezo, do these people at your gym take off their hoods when they work out?

http://www.fairmont.org/150/articles/photos/kkk.jpg

[foodcourtdruide]

Cnn, Headline News, The New York Times.....

Headline news accused people who didn't support Obama of being racist?!!? Lol.. WHAT!?

[epo]

So we're supposed to get all freaked out because a regular report by our government about crazy people is released to security agencies?

In January they released the batshit crazy lefty report. This week the batshit crazy righty report was released.

Seems fair and balanced as a motherfucker.

[Coach]

So if this was true, you should have no troube finding extensive evidence to back up such a declaration.
Tell you what..why don't you prove me wrong?

[epo]

Tell you what..why don't you prove me wrong?

Asking somebody to prove the negative is an asinine request. How do you prove that something didn't happen?

[EliSnow]

Except that they also basically called anyone who didn't like Barry Racist during the election...

They suck. Whoever "they" are.

Cnn, Headline News, The New York Times.....

This is utter bullshit. None of these outlets did anything of the sort.

[angrymissy]

Asking somebody to prove the negative is an asinine request. How do you prove that something didn't happen?

This happens here constantly.

SO AND SO SAID THIS!

Ok, give me a link.

NO, YOU GET IT!!!

Today I flew with faeries to a magical land of gumdrops, and Jesus told me Obama was the second coming of the King of Atlantis.

IT'S TRUE BECAUSE I SAY SO! I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE SHIT! YOU PROVE IT!

[EliSnow]

Tell you what..why don't you prove me wrong?

Asking somebody to prove the negative is an asinine request. How do you prove that something didn't happen?

Exactly. This is like someone claiming that aliens have visited their home and demand that anyone who questions such an assertion should prove that aliens haven't visited their home.

If you make an statement that someone did something, be ready to back up with proof. If you can't, you can't prove your assertion and its groundless.

[EliSnow]

This happens here constantly.

SO AND SO SAID THIS!

Ok, give me a link.

NO, YOU GET IT!!!

And if you question such a tactic, you're "lawyering things up."

[Coach]

Fom the Black Republicans':
DYK-Democrats and identity politics
By Frances Rice

With the complicity of the liberal media, Democrats use identity politics and intimidation to keep blacks corralled on the Democratic Party’s economic plantation. The Democrats’ key strategy is to paint the Republican Party as a racist party, and the latest ploy is to focus on the number of black Republicans at the GOP convention. Little or no media coverage was given to the appearances and speeches of black Republicans at the GOP convention, including former Maryland Lt. Gov. Michael Steele, Texas Railway Commissioner Michael Williams, Political Strategist Angela McGlowan and Renee Amoore who is president of her own company, The Amoore Group. Also omitted from press reporting were outstanding black Republicans running for public office, including Eddie Adams, Jr. from Florida’s 11th Congressional District, Barb Davis White from Minnesota’s 5th Congressional District, Dr. Deborah Honeycutt from Georgia’s 13th Congressional District, and Antoine Members from Chicago’s 1st Congressional District. These are accomplished people who do not deserve to be dismissed or denigrated. Democrats talk diversity, but demean blacks as “holdouts” or “traitors” who stand up against the status quo and do not adhere to the socialist agenda of Democrats.

By ignoring the accomplishments of black Republicans—past and present—Democrats and their media allies perpetuate the false notion that the Republican Party is anti-black. In reality, the Democratic Party has hijacked the civil rights record of the Republican Party and wrongly accused Republicans of being racists. In the face of this, people have the gall to blame Republicans for there being so few blacks who identify with the Republican Party.

No mention is made by the liberal media about the fact that Democrats have been running our inner-cities for the past 40 years, and the socialist policies of the Democrats have turned those communities into economic and social wastelands. Yet, blacks continue to vote for Democrats and, incredibly, blame Republicans for the deplorable conditions in black communities created by the Democrats. To understand what Sen. Barack Obama has in mind for the rest of American, just visit any urban black community in this country, including Chicago where Obama was a “community organizer.” If Obama’s messianic message of hope and change is so powerful, why are the poor people in Chicago still poor?

The NBRA was started to recapture the rich civil rights legacy of the Republican Party and expose the racist past of the Democratic Party. One of our objectives is to demonstrate that the socialist policies of the Democrats lead to dependency on government handouts and poverty, while the free enterprise principles of the Republican Party lead to self sufficiency and prosperity. The philosophy of the Democrats is to give a man a fish so he can eat for a day, while the philosophy of the Republicans is to teach a man how to fish so he can feed himself for a lifetime. Given a choice between a far left-wing radical who promotes failed socialism—Barack Obama—and a man who embraces our free enterprise system—John McCain—I chose McCain.

What about the made up story about the Obama worker that was supposedly attacked and had racial slurs hefted at her....that they ran with even after it was shown that she made it up?

[boosterp]

And if you question such a tactic, you're "lawyering things up."

Damn lawyers!

[epo]

Fom the Black Republicans':

What point is your meaningless editorial trying to prove? Especially one with no facts in it?

I'll provide you a fact and a quote (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/03/AR2008090303962.html)about the Republican Convention in 2008 for fun:

Only 36 of the 2,380 delegates seated on the convention floor are black, the lowest number since the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies began tracking diversity at political conventions 40 years ago.

And the quote:

"It's hard to look around and not get frustrated," said Michael S. Steele, a black Republican and former lieutenant governor of Maryland. "You almost have to think, 'Wait. How did it come to this?' "

So what was that about the Black Republicans again?

[EliSnow]

Fom the Black Republicans':

I'm sorry but pointing to someone else's conclusory allegations doesn't make it a fact that the CNN and the NY Times were calling anyone who voted against Obama racists.

You need to point to specific facts, not just another person who claims that aliens visited their home.

[HBox]

What about the made up story about the Obama worker that was supposedly attacked and had racial slurs hefted at her....that they ran with even after it was shown that she made it up?

Do you mean the MCCAIN worker who faked being attacked and scratched a letter into her face?

[angrymissy]

Fom the Black Republicans':

What about the made up story about the Obama worker that was supposedly attacked and had racial slurs hefted at her....that they ran with even after it was shown that she made it up?

Oh my God this is too good to be true.

It was a MCCAIN worker!
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/17789356/detail.html

[EliSnow]

Do you mean the MCCAIN worker who faked being attacked and scratched a letter into her face?

FACE!

[EliSnow]

Oh my God this is too good to be true.

It was a MCCAIN worker!
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/17789356/detail.html

Anticipated response : prove that none of the Obama workers ever fakes a racial attack.

[scottinnj]

Will this "monitoring" Napalitano is suggesting the police to do be done with warrants, or did we learn nothing from Clinton and Bush?

[Pitdoc]

I don't mind two opposing sides pissing all over each other. As long as you TRY to respect the other's viewpoints at the same time, I'm cool.

"AND THEN THE WHORES MOVE IN"


now THAT is what endears me to this site....:smile:

[Coach]

Oh my God this is too good to be true.

It was a MCCAIN worker!
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/17789356/detail.html

No, the ones whose lawn was set on fire.

[EliSnow]

No, the ones whose lawn was set on fire.

I just found a number of stories about Obama signs being burned in people's yards (there's also stories about McCain signs being stolen/destroyed).

I didn't see nor do I remember a story where it was proved to be a hoax and the outlets you mentioned ran the story as true.

[foodcourtdruide]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/14/federal-agency-warns-of-radicals-on-right/

Im sure of what most of the boards comments will be but I was against bush doing this kind of shit and Im against obama admin doing this kind of shit.

Its also kind of suspect that this release comes out a day after Texas's governor says not to fuck with his state, like it or not the government should not tell a state how to spend money that was paid in from the states collection of tax revenue.

Sorry to rehash an old issue, but wow. Seems like this report was right on the money.

[booster11373]

I was trying to sort of look at it thru the wackjob eyes, The angry white male

For 8 years you had your guy in the White House, a good oie god fearing cowboy, was against abortion was pro-gun filled all the hallmarks of a religious conservative on the surface

yet after 8 years what really changes for you? not much

Fast forward to 2008, There really was some change in the Country, both a black man and female were able to run for the nomination of a major party

The political message that was directed towards the angry white male was, socialism, they are going to take away your guns, only you are real Americans, these people want to destroy America so on and so forth

After the campaign and your guy lost the anger formented was still there

[keithy_19]

The political message that was directed towards the angry white male was, socialism, they are going to take away your guns, only you are real Americans, these people want to destroy America so on and so forth

After the campaign and your guy lost the anger formented was still there

Yeah. Let's look past the fact that Bronn was a racist, homophobe, and all around jerkoff who had been part of white supremicist movements for a long, long time. Even when there was a Republican in office.

[angrymissy]

Yeah. Let's look past the fact that Bronn was a racist, homophobe, and all around jerkoff who had been part of white supremicist movements for a long, long time. Even when there was a Republican in office.

He was also one of those people who believed Obama was a "usurper" who has a fake birth certificate and was going to take away his guns.

[foodcourtdruide]

Yeah. Let's look past the fact that Bronn was a racist, homophobe, and all around jerkoff who had been part of white supremicist movements for a long, long time. Even when there was a Republican in office.

He was a rightwing extremist. Rightwing extremists and typical republicans are EXTREMELY different, which was why conservatives getting upset about this report was absurd.

[booster11373]

Yeah. Let's look past the fact that Bronn was a racist, homophobe, and all around jerkoff who had been part of white supremicist movements for a long, long time. Even when there was a Republican in office.

all those thing are true but the note found in the shooters car stated something like "if you want my guns here they are" or some version of that

The fact that if a Democrat was elected gun right would be restricted or repealed was a prime message from the republican/conservative side

[TheMojoPin]

The fact that if a Democrat was elected gun right would be restricted or repealed was a prime message from the republican/conservative side

But there's a clear difference between that and people on the extreme Right who take that to the next level. This can't be pinned on gun rights supporters who are also conservative.

[booster11373]

But there's a clear difference between that and people on the extreme Right who take that to the next level. This can't be pinned on gun rights supporters who are also conservative.

Agreed but when some people echo that message over and over is it any suprise that the nuts take it to heart?

[booster11373]

But there's a clear difference between that and people on the extreme Right who take that to the next level. This can't be pinned on gun rights supporters who are also conservative.

Plus that message is sort of directed at the luntic fringe to begin with people with half a brain know that gun rights cant be taken away willy nilly, look at the recent ruling about guns in D.C.

[TheMojoPin]

Agreed but when some people echo that message over and over is it any suprise that the nuts take it to heart?

That's like arguing that violent movies need to be toned down or stop altogether because they potnetially could "inspire" some nuts to act out.

[booster11373]

That's like arguing that violent movies need to be toned down or stop altogether because they potnetially could "inspire" some nuts to act out.

I dont agree with that, odds are that guy was going to do something no matter what, but i guess if you immerse yourself in to that world where all your "news" comes from those sources and you are already a wackjob.....

[TheMojoPin]

I dont agree with that, odds are that guy was going to do something no matter what, but i guess if you immerse yourself in to that world where all your "news" comes from those sources and you are already a wackjob.....

Then it's still the result of his decisions, not the mainstream media or politicians.

[booster11373]

Then it's still the result of his decisions, not the mainstream media or politicians.

clearly, but he still made reference to guns being taken away

[TheMojoPin]

clearly, but he still made reference to guns being taken away

And? That doesn't automatically piggyback this onto the politics and rhetoric of far less extreme gun rights advocates.

[booster11373]

And? That doesn't automatically piggyback this onto the politics and rhetoric of far less extreme gun rights advocates.

He seemed to think that his guns were going to be taken away he was also crazy I think we are on the same side here

from your post in the other thread

You're trying to expand Olbermann's comments to cover all conservatives. They don't. They're targeted at pundits specifically like Beck, Rush, Hannity, Coulter, Savage et al who have made a career in recent years out of dancing along the fringe of the extreme Right with their rhetoric and have the ability to reach huge amounts of people and have a responsibility because of that. They don't need to be explicitly calling for violence to arguably be culpable in fostering a national mindset that has emboldened extremists to feel that they have to act or at least that the time is ideal for them to do so. When certain people make their money very loudly condemning large segments of the population and the people they elect as being "traitors" who are "destroying America" and other very inflammatory pseudo-doomsday rhetoric there's a good chance that it can contribute to people taking that kind of fearmongering too far.

That is sort of my point I didnt not express it as well

[TheMojoPin]

He seemed to think that his guns were going to be taken away he was also crazy I think we are on the same side here

from your post in the other thread

You're trying to expand Olbermann's comments to cover all conservatives. They don't. They're targeted at pundits specifically like Beck, Rush, Hannity, Coulter, Savage et al who have made a career in recent years out of dancing along the fringe of the extreme Right with their rhetoric and have the ability to reach huge amounts of people and have a responsibility because of that. They don't need to be explicitly calling for violence to arguably be culpable in fostering a national mindset that has emboldened extremists to feel that they have to act or at least that the time is ideal for them to do so. When certain people make their money very loudly condemning large segments of the population and the people they elect as being "traitors" who are "destroying America" and other very inflammatory pseudo-doomsday rhetoric there's a good chance that it can contribute to people taking that kind of fearmongering too far.

That is sort of my point I didnt not express it as well

Fair enough, though even with that I want it clear that I do not directly hold any of those pundits responsible. While I have little doubt their flipping out over "socialism taking over America" and so on likely could help stir these nuts on, these are ultimately the actions of people well entrenched in beliefs and mindsets without people like Rush and and his ilk doing their thing. I think things like these need to be a wakeup call for these pundits so that they realize that while they play at being faux-extremists with BS sensational rhetoric just to get attention and draw in viewers there are people people out there who do live by that stuff to the hilt and are willing to act on it.

The pundist aren't directly responsible, but they are willfully touching on many points that ultimately cross over or are near to tennets that these extremists take very seriously. If they don't want to be associated with such extremists they need to make the choice of whether or not they want to make their careers feeding off of rhetoric that is slipping more and more to the extreme. They can very easily be conservative or even very far to the Right without getting anywhere extremist dogma but they are willfully dangling their fingers in the fire to the point that I have little pity for them when they complain after getting burned. Don't spout garbage to huge national audiences about how you "fear for your country" as if its on the very of being destroyed from within and "the enemies among us" and then act all shock and dismayed that there are people out there who think very similar things but aren't just bullshitting about it for ratings and book deals.

[SonOfSmeagol]

So called pundits of any persuasion, with large audiences or small, whether radio, newspapers, TV, tabloids, or whatever, are a product of the convergence of journalism, entertainment, free enterprise, and free speech/press and have no responsibility for the actions of extremists, ever. Pundits spouting their views is not the same as shouting fire in a theatre, it’s free speech, and if they want to then spout that they have been burned/maligned/misquoted, or whatever!, within the limits of causing no immediate danger to others, that’s also free speech. It’s also free speech to express that you think otherwise! Beauty! To try to lay any sort of culpability onto people who speak/write/talk to hundreds/thousands/millions is basically equivalent to the “devil made me do it” and it simply doesn’t fly. People, including stupid ignorant sociopathic people, are responsible for their own actions, period.

[TheMojoPin]

People, including stupid ignorant sociopathic people, are responsible for their own actions, period.


I never said otherwise. I also never said that the pundits were to be blamed or should be blamed for these actions. As I said in the other thread, my point is that they can't act as if they're free from criticism for dabbling in broad extremist rhetoric when these things happen.

This is as simple as I can make it: the actual extremists are going to do their ting of their own accord, but people who are willfully using watered down extremist rhetoric to get sensational attention are going to be looked at and reacted to critically when these things happen. That's the flipside to the faux-"free speech" equation you're trying to beat over our heads: just as much as they have the "right" to say what they say so do people who look critically at the use of variations of extremist rhetoric when these events are occruing.

[SonOfSmeagol]

I don’t think they act free from criticism at all. Usually the pundits accept it and address it (both sides) – actually embrace it!. I still say that it’s your point of view to react critically to events. Please stop with the “beat over your heads” thing when it comes to free speech – I believe this to be central and you re trying to turn it around. But it remains so. I really don’t have to “beat” it, it is what it is ands it remains critical to each point of view. I am really perplexed why you can’t accept that.

[The Jays]

Look, it's in poor judgement to have Glen Beck rant about the crumbling of our country with a backdrop of black and white video of Soviet Russia while he mockingly calls it his Comrade Update.

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/6610/

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/beck-obama-has-us-road-not-just-soci

While he may think this is the pinnacle of satire on the state of the nation, in the broader context of his network's general opinion, as a news station, it's basically reporting the news as being "Our country has become Soviet Russia, so what are you going to do about it?"

[The Jays]

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/real-time-how-dangerous-hate-talk-right

Maher: Listening to people like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck these days, I cannot figure out whether these right wingers are more dangerous when they're in power or when they're out of power, because when they're out of power, you know their paranoid, their paranoia goes off the charts. This Glenn Beck guy, I wouldn't even give him the time of day except he's a big star now on Fox and a lot of people believe, and he's talking about FEMA concentration camps.

Olbermann: Yeah...

Maher: He says we are headed toward socialism, totalitarianism...

Olbermann: Yeah...

Maher:...beyond your wildest imagination, but apparently not beyond his wildest imagination.

Washington: Right, right.

Sorkin: Did you see what he said about that? He said I can't prove these FEMA concentration camps, but let me tell you about them anyway.

Washington: Yeah, yeah.

Sorkin: You'd think it would be the opposite.

Olbermann: Can I quote Madeleine Albright?

Maher: Please.

Olbermann: He's nuts.

Maher: You know I would never be the person who says that you have to watch what you say because some borderline nut...no really...I'm not for that. No, no, that's an argument that's given a lot. You can't say this because a borderline might take it and then do this. I'm sorry but that's the price of living in a free speech country and I do want to live in one because I make my living at it. Okay. But you know I must say Tim McVeigh in 1995 if you recall, this was the same kind of talking that made him blow up that building.

Olbermann: The guy who walked into the church in Tennessee said in his statement to the police that he did this because he could not shoot the liberals who were on the lists from Bernie Goldberg, and Bernie Goldberg has proceeded to come out with another list of liberals and this time I'm on the list so this is even more vivid in my mind now. So yeah you're absolutely right about that. I think what you're seeing with, I mean I have been accused occasionally of sort of bordering on Howard Beale. Hey I got nothing on this guy for Howard Beale.

This is, you know in the last major economic crisis of this nation we spewed forth Father Coughlin. Well this is Father Coughlin with a crew cut. This is Father Coughlin on TV. This is, he's, who knows what he's going to say next week because if we can't understand what he's saying now he also has that same threshold. He doesn't know what he's saying now. It just sounds great. It's wonderful. It is a manic depressive high.

[hanso]

It seems likely to me. I mean, on the other hand, if there was to be a warning of leftwing extremist activity, all we'd have to worry people paying for our heathcare for and our work hours reduced while receiving the same pay.
And hugging trees even harder

[Ogre]

But there's a clear difference between that and people on the extreme Right who take that to the next level. This can't be pinned on gun rights supporters who are also conservative.

Thank you

[TheMojoPin]

I don’t think they act free from criticism at all. Usually the pundits accept it and address it (both sides) – actually embrace it!. I still say that it’s your point of view to react critically to events. Please stop with the “beat over your heads” thing when it comes to free speech – I believe this to be central and you re trying to turn it around. But it remains so. I really don’t have to “beat” it, it is what it is ands it remains critical to each point of view. I am really perplexed why you can’t accept that.

Because you're repeatedly using "the right to free speech" incorrectly. Nobody is infringing on the pundits right to free speech as guarenteed by the Bill of Rights. I'm trying to "turn your point around" because it's incorrect.

And of course my point of view is my point of view. Everything I've said here is my opinion, and that should be obvious to anyone.

[SP1!]

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/real-time-how-dangerous-hate-talk-right

Please do not act like bill maher is the voice of reason, hes a douche and out to stoke up the flames of his crowd just like beck, oreilly, or hannity.

Quoting nutjobs on the left to prove your point doesnt really work, they are all in it to make a buck and push an agenda.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Please do not act like bill maher is the voice of reason, hes a douche and out to stoke up the flames of his crowd just like beck, oreilly, or hannity.

Quoting nutjobs on the left to prove your point doesnt really work, they are all in it to make a buck and push an agenda.

You forgot to include Olberman in there, he's running the same gimick.

[nocountryjon1]

ahh there all just douches from keith olberman to sean hannity. Just give me the news not your opinion. Let me figure it out or do they think we are too stupid for that.

[KnoxHarrington]

You forgot to include Olberman in there, he's running the same gimick.

Yeah, he implies that he'd like to beat the shit out of or kill figures on the right all the time...

Wait, what, he doesn't? But it's the same gimmick as O'Reilly!

[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, he implies that he'd like to beat the shit out of or kill figures on the right all the time...

Wait, what, he doesn't? But it's the same gimmick as O'Reilly!

Yeah, the whole "pundits on both sides are the same" schtick doesn't really fly at all. The Left obviously has it share of really smarmy douchebags as pundits, but there's a huge difference between that and the sheer vitriol that Rush and Coulter and Savage and their ilk use towards people who they disagree with politically. There's a gigantic difference between cheap shots, bad jokes and pithy comments and then out and out decalring people to be criminals, traitors and terrorists and basically implying that really bad things should happen to people they disagree with.

Don't get me wrong, the leading pundits on the Left are insufferable. Both sides are largely intellectually devoid, but the "style" of either are very different. The conservative pundits have gotten as big as they have by being sensational attack dogs. That's the main reason why they're so much bigger than most of the pundits on the Left.

[The Jays]

Please do not act like bill maher is the voice of reason, hes a douche and out to stoke up the flames of his crowd just like beck, oreilly, or hannity.

Quoting nutjobs on the left to prove your point doesnt really work, they are all in it to make a buck and push an agenda.

Way to avoid the topic of the post. So because you feel they are wackjobs, you dismiss their opinion that people like Glen Beck are giving out poisonous views? Why, because you're OK with the poisonous views that Beck is putting out there?

I'm not acting like Mahar is the voice of reason. I'd like you to respond to their thoughts in a manner which proves that Beck is OK, and that Mahar and Olbermann are really the wack jobs.

Instead, I'm pretty sure you'll just dismiss this too, and go back to your belief that Glen Beck and Fox News is the only truth out there.

[TheMojoPin]

Is Bill Mahar the cheap outsourced version of Bill Maher?

[The Jays]

He's the credible version.

[TheMojoPin]

I'd settle for the funny version.

[The Jays]

Oh snap!

[EliSnow]

Yeah, the whole "pundits on both sides are the same" schtick doesn't really fly at all. The Left obviously has it share of really smarmy douchebags as pundits, but there's a huge difference between that and the sheer vitriol that Rush and Coulter and Savage and their ilk use towards people who they disagree with politically. There's a gigantic difference between cheap shots, bad jokes and pithy comments and then out and out decalring people to be criminals, traitors and terrorists and basically implying that really bad things should happen to people they disagree with.

Don't get me wrong, the leading pundits on the Left are insufferable. Both sides are largely intellectually devoid, but the "style" of either are very different. The conservative pundits have gotten as big as they have by being sensational attack dogs. That's the main reason why they're so much bigger than most of the pundits on the Left.


I agree. Coulter has published books about how liberals and their policies are treasonous. I don't think that there is any popular Left pundit who has gone that far with regard to the Right.

[The Jays]

I also love how when pundits like Malkin have the names and phone numbers of regular citizens who they disagree with, they will make sure to publish that information and encourage people to give them a piece of their mind.

[The Jays]

You know what's also fun? When Beck tries to say that Hitler was left wing, in the context of Fox News being blatently anti-Left.

[hanso]

Is Bill Mahar the cheap outsourced version of Bill Maher?
Thats how you say it in Boston.