Character Education

[Thomas Merton]

Just got back from an all day seminar on Character Ed. Now schools will be responsible for telling the kiddies that cheating, disrespect, cursing and sexting are wrong.

Sex Ed, Drivers Ed, is there anything parents are responsible for anymore? :dry:

[Dude!]

Just got back from an all day seminar on Character Ed. Now schools will be responsible for telling the kiddies that cheating, disrespect, cursing and sexting are wrong.

Sex Ed, Drivers Ed, is there anything parents are responsible for anymore? :dry:

i guess i'd rather have the schools do it
than no one

it is sad though

[TooLowBrow]

parents suck at teaching kids shit

even when you have an intelligent person, lets say a doctor

would you rather have a teacher teach you, or a doctor teach you?

[SatCam]

I learned that cheating, disrespect, cursing and sexting was the only way to get thru high school

[Devo37]

as someone with no kids, why the hell do i have to help pay for this sh!t???

[Kublakhan61]

as someone with no kids, why the hell do i have to help pay for this sh!t???



Let's just say that you pay because one day those kids are the future that will one day return the favor, supposing Soc. Security doesn't vanish...

I don't drink and drive but my taxes go toward funding social programs that raise awareness and post patrol units.

[DarkHippie]

Teachers are the real parents these days anyway. Teachers see their students 6 hrs a day, 5 days a week. Parents are lucky if they see their kids this much.

Teachers do all the work and get shit on constantly. I may be wrong, but i think that the nyc teachers have been working without a contract for several years now.

[Devo37]

Let's just say that you pay because one day those kids are the future that will one day return the favor, supposing Soc. Security doesn't vanish...


let their parents pay for them! let me keep my money and put it in the bank now, and then i won't have to rely on generations of "everyone's a winner" morons to help me when i get old.

and besides, every kid that gets a crappy education is one less person to compete with when i'm eventually the old man on the job ladder.

[DarkHippie]

and besides, every kid that gets a crappy education is one more person to mug me on the subway


Fixed it for ya

[Devo37]

Fixed it for ya

you strap-hangers can get mugged by a bunch of doofus savages . i drive to work.

[weekapaugjz]

Teachers are the real parents these days anyway. Teachers see their students 6 hrs a day, 5 days a week. Parents are lucky if they see their kids this much.

Teachers do all the work and get shit on constantly. I may be wrong, but i think that the nyc teachers have been working without a contract for several years now.

it depends on how old the students are. elementary aged kids are around one teacher for most of the day excluding whatever other classes they have (art, phys. ed., etc.). from my understanding, they do try to do a lot of character education at a young age in the schools. my mom was a elementary guidance counselor and helped out a lot of kids in some troubled situations. while it probably wont affect every kid in a school, she and other's like her are still having a positive change in some students.

in high school (which is more of my experience), it is very difficult to character development in many types of classes simply because so much focus is based on performance on standardized texts. if high school teachers have to take more time away from teaching academics to focus on character, test scores will probably drop because they were not exposed to the material. teachers are judged and assessed by how their students perform on those tests, they are already under enough stress from this alone. they don't need to be teaching character as well.

some of the best advice i received was to model the best character and way to conduct yourself in front of the students. treat all of them with respect and make them feel as if they are wanted in that classroom. when you model those characteristics, some kids will pick them up and adapt it to their own lives. some won't.

also, there is the debate about what type of education should be taught in schools. should it focus on character development to create well rounded citizens or should it focus on teaching for academic achievement? with high stakes testing and policies from no child left behind, much of today's education is focused on achievement.

[Drunky McBetidont]

remain teachable. education doesn't end with graduation. teachers don't only work at schools.

it really is never too late to find enlightenment. for anyone.

[Drunky McBetidont]

Just got back from an all day seminar on Character Ed. Now schools will be responsible for telling the kiddies that cheating, disrespect, cursing and sexting are wrong.

Sex Ed, Drivers Ed, is there anything parents are responsible for anymore? :dry:

the parents that care about their children's education have children that don't need these programs. the students that need these programs have parents that don't care.

[TooLowBrow]

in high school (which is more of my experience), it is very difficult to character development in many types of classes simply because so much focus is based on performance on standardized texts. if high school teachers have to take more time away from teaching academics to focus on character, test scores will probably drop because they were not exposed to the material. teachers are judged and assessed by how their students perform on those tests, they are already under enough stress from this alone. they don't need to be teaching character as well.



elementary schools are becoming more and more like high schools with the drive to test kids and not to teach them

[weekapaugjz]

elementary schools are becoming more and more like high schools with the drive to test kids and not to teach them

i knew a little bit about that. i spent some a little bit of time in a 5th grade classroom and the teacher said he took about an hour everyday for a month to just teach them "how" to take the new york state social studies test.

i believe it is mandatory testing for english and math every year between grades 4 and 8. and for social studies at grade 5 and 8. im not sure what the requirement is for science though.

[TooLowBrow]

i knew a little bit about that. i spent some a little bit of time in a 5th grade classroom and the teacher said he took about an hour everyday for a month to just teach them "how" to take the new york state social studies test.

i believe it is mandatory testing for english and math every year between grades 4 and 8. and for social studies at grade 5 and 8. im not sure what the requirement is for science though.

how many days is the school closed so kids can be tested?

they lose days that they could be learning

[weekapaugjz]

how many days is the school closed so kids can be tested?

they lose days that they could be learning

i believe that for social studies, 5th and 8th grade tests are 3 hour tests each.

i think english is more involved because it has a reading, writing, and listening aspect for their tests.

i don't think they close the school, just each grade level goes to the gym or cafeteria or where ever to take their tests.

i know for the high schools i have been in, they don't have school for at least a week while REGENTS tests are given. those are all three hour tests except english which is a six hour test.

its kind of sickening to see how much time goes into the testing aspect of teaching.

this is what i know of new york state. each state is different, but NY has some of the hardest requirements of any state for education.

[Mullenax]

Character Education is not new, although it sounds like the topics have been updated. Character Ed was in place when I was a junior in high school (2001) and included all kinds of lectures about integrity, some wacky acronyms, and an unenforceable schoolwide community service requirement. The reason all this stuff changes and incorporates so many non-formal education aspects (like prom) is because there is no real consensus as to exactly what service public schools should provide for their students for the maximum benefit of society.
Should the school experience be social grooming and tradition-based, just about job placement, a rounded introduction to every subject known to man, college-driven, civic training for obedient patriots, radical socialist indoctrination for a brighter and more equal future, or what? Everyone from top to bottom in educational policy has different philosophies.