Stop defending comics fez

[BlackFan]

Just give up. You know nothing about them. i've only been reading comics since 2005 and i barely even like dc and i know way more than you about them.

you claim to have this love for the characters and the genre in general yet every time ron starts on a tear about how comics are dumb and comic movies are dumb you just can't defend it. and i get agitated hearing it.because ron could be so easily shut down.

comic fans don't demand comic movies. movie companies think to cash in quick and easy so they go and make a comic movie. all us comic fans ask is that you get it right and when you don't that's where the backlash comes from ron.

i as a comics fan and future creator am totally content with picking up my books and going home happy. infact my first reaction when a comic movie is being made is ugh...how is hollywood gonna try to needlessly alter something this time

[Kublakhan61]

comic fans don't demand comic movies.


Well, by showing up, if only to complain about it later, you are in fact fulfilling the demand portion of supply and demand.

Also, instead of telling Fez how to run his end of the conversation - Call In and make your case.


BTW, what titles do you read?

[DarkHippie]

I am looking forward to this guy calling in and trying to shut down Ron

[realmenhatelife]

I dont think Fez is unfit to defend comics, I just think he's unable to mount effective arguments, especially against Ron.

[Foster]

I find it hard to defending the fact I read comics to myself much less Ron

[GreatAmericanZero]

As far as things that Fez tries to defend, comics is probably the thing he defends best!

if anything, he should stop defending reasons why he should still keep "the secret" a secret

[RMPGP]

The funny thing about that argument is Chris Stanley made the strongest point when Dave asserted that DC is sissier... DC's Vertigo comics are way more dark and mature than Marvel. Fez should be checking out Vertigo, they are great. Start with Vol 1 of Absolute Sandman, then go from there.

Also Brian K Vaughan, friend of the show, his most famous comic was written for DC/Vertigo: Y The Last Man.

[realmenhatelife]

I dont think Fez would stick with Sandman, it's about as close to a chapter book as comics get.

I also never perceived DC as the girls imprint. I'm sure thats just Dave nonsense.

[razorboy]

Nerds.

[Thebazile78]

I dont think Fez would stick with Sandman, it's about as close to a chapter book as comics get.

I also never perceived DC as the girls imprint. I'm sure thats just Dave nonsense.

It's my opinion that most of what Dave says on-air is "Dave nonsense." (I think Dave is a really nice guy in person, but I definitely do not agree with a LOT of what he's said on-air. And, FWIW, the only other girl I knew growing up who read comics read Marvel. X-Men to be exact.)

There's so much more to comics than just the DC/Marvel "premiere characters" (i.e. - Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, X-Men & Spidey)

Mentioning Vertigo earlier in this thread was a start.

What about Dark Horse and Image?

What about people who still do indie releases out of pocket?

What about limited run books like Persepolis or Maus?

Where does manga fall into the discussion?

There are so many facets to comics that DC and Marvel, although the 2 largest and most dominant publishers, just scratch the surface of everything that's out there!

[AnnoyedGrunt]

The funny thing about that argument is Chris Stanley made the strongest point when Dave asserted that DC is sissier... DC's Vertigo comics are way more dark and mature than Marvel. Fez should be checking out Vertigo, they are great. Start with Vol 1 of Absolute Sandman, then go from there.

Also Brian K Vaughan, friend of the show, his most famous comic was written for DC/Vertigo: Y The Last Man.

Fez did once say that he's a fan of Fables.

[realmenhatelife]

It's my opinion that most of what Dave says on-air is "Dave nonsense." (I think Dave is a really nice guy in person, but I definitely do not agree with a LOT of what he's said on-air. And, FWIW, the only other girl I knew growing up who read comics read Marvel. X-Men to be exact.)

There's so much more to comics than just the DC/Marvel "premiere characters" (i.e. - Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, X-Men & Spidey)

Mentioning Vertigo earlier in this thread was a start.

What about Dark Horse and Image?

What about people who still do indie releases out of pocket?

What about limited run books like Persepolis or Maus?

Where does manga fall into the discussion?

There are so many facets to comics that DC and Marvel, although the 2 largest and most dominant publishers, just scratch the surface of everything that's out there!

Manga is right, if anything is the 'girl book' its that. I know its not really engendered and younger kids are batshit for manga, but if I see a girl reading pictures its probably manga. My brother works in a comic book store and 9 out of 10 girls under 25 are looking for the manga section of his store.

I'm sure it was dave was an x men guy in his youth, so in his head that means Marvel is the completely dominant imprint and DC is for girls.

If anything I'd say DC is the nerdier company.

And big ups Dark Horse, The current and last Hellboy runs have been fantastic.

[TripleSkeet]

comic fans don't demand comic movies.


Im a comic fan and I demand comic book movies. Yea I hope they get it right but my main demand is they try. Id rather they try and get it wrong then just not try at all.

[Thebazile78]

Manga is right, if anything is the 'girl book' its that. I know its not really engendered and younger kids are batshit for manga, but if I see a girl reading pictures its probably manga. My brother works in a comic book store and 9 out of 10 girls under 25 are looking for the manga section of his store.

I'm sure it was dave was an x men guy in his youth, so in his head that means Marvel is the completely dominant imprint and DC is for girls.

If anything I'd say DC is the nerdier company.

And big ups Dark Horse, The current and last Hellboy runs have been fantastic.

OMG, so true. When you go to the graphic novels section in a bookstore, it's the same freaking thing ... most of the kids picking up manga are girls. But, what's really interesting, is (as I understand it) in Japan, manga has its own subgenres and different books are specifically targeted to boys or girls, so it's interesting to see what Americans do with it. (I think a lot of parents are under the impression it's all puppies and kitties smiling and laughing with Mario Brothers-like clouds, stars and mushrooms.)

Dave totally strikes me as an X-Men guy. (A lot of his on-air assertions have had to do with his personal experience as a kid.)

DC has older die-hards, I think, so it has a more "mainstream," even a more "establishment" aura about it. Of course, the Superman and Batman movie & animated series franchises (not to mention the Wonder Woman TV series ... and I am purposely forgetting about Birds of Prey) have a lot to do with the way they're perceived in the public consciousness.

Marvel has a reputation for pushing the envelope. Its mutants are all-encompassing and their "good guys" often gleefully walk the fine line between "good" and "evil" (black/white) covered by "gray areas" ... the perception of DC heroes is that they're so good, they make your teeth hurt. (As a counter, I have only to point to Batman. Yes, he defends Gotham City, but he's often as dangerous as the supercriminals he battles!)

And, again, this is only scratching the surface.

If only I were this articulate over the phone! (HA!)

[weekapaugjz]

It's my opinion that most of what Dave says on-air is "Dave nonsense." (I think Dave is a really nice guy in person, but I definitely do not agree with a LOT of what he's said on-air. And, FWIW, the only other girl I knew growing up who read comics read Marvel. X-Men to be exact.)

There's so much more to comics than just the DC/Marvel "premiere characters" (i.e. - Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, X-Men & Spidey)

Mentioning Vertigo earlier in this thread was a start.

What about Dark Horse and Image?

What about people who still do indie releases out of pocket?

What about limited run books like Persepolis or Maus?

Where does manga fall into the discussion?

There are so many facets to comics that DC and Marvel, although the 2 largest and most dominant publishers, just scratch the surface of everything that's out there!

Very nice post. So many of my friends call me a nerd when I tell them I read comics and graphic novels. They all think if its a comic book its gonna be a superhero book like Batman, Superman, Capt America, etc. While I am a huge fan of those types of comics, like you said, it barely scratches the surface.

Maus is one of the best books I have ever read. It just gives a prospective about the Holocaust that just can not be conveyed in a text only book. This book is highly recommended to anyone who is interested in the history of WWII and the Holocaust.

The walking dead by image is probably my favorite ongoing book right now. For those who don't know its about a small group of people trying to survive a zombie apocolypse. It really does a remarkable job at conveying the human emotion about the desire for survival. I have been more emotionally moved by this book than I have 99% of the books or movies I have read or watched.

I also like some of the titles that are put out by IDW and Oni Press.

[Thebazile78]

Very nice post. So many of my friends call me a nerd when I tell them I read comics and graphic novels. They all think if its a comic book its gonna be a superhero book like Batman, Superman, Capt America, etc. While I am a huge fan of those types of comics, like you said, it barely scratches the surface. ....

Look, I love super hero books as much as the next fanboy, but I'm not ignorant of the different types of books out there. Mostly because the books I've read as an adult are more story-driven than hero-driven.

NY ComicCon actually had teacher-workshops on how to use comic books in class.

I'd love to do that ... if I ever get off my arse and get my credentials together for teaching!

[JustJon]

OMG, so true. When you go to the graphic novels section in a bookstore, it's the same freaking thing ... most of the kids picking up manga are girls. But, what's really interesting, is (as I understand it) in Japan, manga has its own subgenres and different books are specifically targeted to boys or girls, so it's interesting to see what Americans do with it. (I think a lot of parents are under the impression it's all puppies and kitties smiling and laughing with Mario Brothers-like clouds, stars and mushrooms.)


The Japanese even have different words for comics for boys (shonen) and girls (shoujo)


Dave totally strikes me as an X-Men guy. (A lot of his on-air assertions have had to do with his personal experience as a kid.)


Dave claims to be an Archie guy, but then when talking about it on air, he barely knows anything about Archie.

[weekapaugjz]

NY ComicCon actually had teacher-workshops on how to use comic books in class.

I'd love to do that ... if I ever get off my arse and get my credentials together for teaching!

When I student taught in economics, the teacher I worked with had a set of comics telling about all the wonderful joys of monetary policy put out by the federal reserve. Quite intriuging stuff.

[realmenhatelife]

Look, I love super hero books as much as the next fanboy, but I'm not ignorant of the different types of books out there. Mostly because the books I've read as an adult are more story-driven than hero-driven.

NY ComicCon actually had teacher-workshops on how to use comic books in class.

I'd love to do that ... if I ever get off my arse and get my credentials together for teaching!


I think Maus is pretty common in High Schools now. I know more than one teenager who had it.

[weekapaugjz]

I think Maus is pretty common in High Schools now. I know more than one teenager who had it.

I wouldn't go so far as saying common but more teachers are becoming aware of this resource. I wanted to use it in my classroom last year, but I just didn't have the time. I used excerpts from elie weisel's, night. Next time I teach it I want to use maus.

[Thebazile78]

I wouldn't go so far as saying common but more teachers are becoming aware of this resource. I wanted to use it in my classroom last year, but I just didn't have the time. I used excerpts from elie weisel's, night. Next time I teach it I want to use maus.

You could easily use both Maus and Night, assuming you build the time into your schedule.

I think that there's a trove of untapped resources in many comic books. Even the ones that don't outwardly deal with "heavy" subjects!

[Thebazile78]

The Japanese even have different words for comics for boys (shonen) and girls (shoujo)

This must be one of the reasons we keep you around, Jon. ;)

Dave claims to be an Archie guy, but then when talking about it on air, he barely knows anything about Archie.

I bought a couple of issues of Casper The Friendly Ghost and Wendy the Good Witch when I was a kid. And there was a Saturday morning cartoon version of Archie, wasn't there? (I probably know more about Archie than Dave. Which is why he strikes me as an X-Men guy.)

[JustJon]

I bought a couple of issues of Casper The Friendly Ghost and Wendy the Good Witch when I was a kid. And there was a Saturday morning cartoon version of Archie, wasn't there? (I probably know more about Archie than Dave. Which is why he strikes me as an X-Men guy.)

Yes, in the 70's. There's also talk of an Archie movie now.

[Thebazile78]

Yes, in the 70's. There's also talk of an Archie movie now.

What? This wasn't enough?

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[BlackFan]

i'd love to call in but i get it on audible and listen at work,and i don't usually go back to work till wednesday so i don't usually hear the monday show until wednesday and so on until sunday.

i'd love to call in to the show and shut ron down on it.

just listening to people throw their half baked idea of what characters are onto the air with fez sitting right there and not saying a thing just gets frustrating.it blew my mind that he even knew the flash can vibrate through things.

infact i'm gonna go as far as to say he hasn't read a comic since the silver age.
i'm sure he doesn't know of the speed force
or the yellow impurity for the green lanterns
or that hal jordan is even back from the dead.
or that barry allen died and wally took his mantle until he came back in final crisis.

fez you know nothing give up the rooze.

[The Ogre]

I don't know why any of us feel that comics need to be defended. We like them and Ron doesn't. He also thinks the J. Geils Band is terrific. The end.