Cheney Slams Obama Again, Calls Overseas Trips "Disturbing"

[CurseoftheBambi]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/20/cheney-slams-obama-again_n_189268.html

Former Vice President Dick Cheney slammed President Obama again on Monday night during an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity at Cheney's home in McLean, Virginia.

Cheney pointedly questioned the president's leadership, criticized Obama's overseas trips as "disturbing," said his handshake with Venezuela's Hugo Chavez was "not helpful," and strongly disagreed with the release of the torture memos.

"I've been concerned at the way we've been presented overseas... What I find disturbing is the extent to which he's gone to Europe and seemed to apologize profusely, been to Mexico and seemed to apologize there," said Cheney. "The world out there, both our friends and foes, will be quick to take advantage of that... I don't think we have much to apologize for."

Describing the Bush administration's policy as to "ignore" Chavez, Cheney said that Obama's handshake was "not helpful... You have people all across South America who are watching how we respond." He added, "The president needs to provide leadership... needs to distinguish between good [guys] and bad guys."

Finally, Cheney defended the use of waterboarding and other interrogation techniques, saying, "It worked. It's been enormously valuable in terms of saving lives and preventing another mass casualty attack on the US."

Cheney formally asked that the Obama administration to release what he claimed are memos that demonstrated the success of those techniques.

"One of the things that I find a little bit disturbing about this recent disclosure is they put out the legal memos, the memos that the CIA got from the Office of Legal Counsel, but they didn't put out the memos that showed the success of the effort," Cheney said.

While former President Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice have withheld comment on the new administration, Cheney has been outspoken in his criticism.

In his first TV interview last month with CNN's John King, Cheney said that Obama's policies had raised the risk of a domestic terrorist attack.

And the criticism doesn't seem to bother the president - during a February rally in Austin, Texas, Obama dismissed the former vice president, saying "When Dick Cheney says it's a good thing, you know that you've probably got some big problems."

- Personally I think Obama needs to prosecute the guys who did the torture instead of letting them go and go after those who support it...Dick supported it..wouldn't it be nice to have him in a jail cell. Maybe Rape works to shut his mouth up. Has any other vice president talked so much about a current administration as this asshole?:wallbash:

[beachbum]

This prick said more in that interview than he did in 8 years in office.

[TripleSkeet]

"I've been concerned at the way we've been presented overseas... What I find disturbing is the extent to which he's gone to Europe and seemed to apologize profusely, been to Mexico and seemed to apologize there," said Cheney. "The world out there, both our friends and foes, will be quick to take advantage of that... I don't think we have much to apologize for."



Finally, Cheney defended the use of waterboarding and other interrogation techniques, saying, "It worked. It's been enormously valuable in terms of saving lives and preventing another mass casualty attack on the US."



And the criticism doesn't seem to bother the president - during a February rally in Austin, Texas, Obama dismissed the former vice president, saying "When Dick Cheney says it's a good thing, you know that you've probably got some big problems."




The balls on this motherfucker is amazing. The reason Obama has to go around the world apologizing is because your fucking administration not only started an unwinnable war with zero cause behind it, but you simultaneously turned 3/4 of the world against us in the process.

That waterboarding comment says it all. I dont give a fuck how many people it saved, when you sink to the levels of the tyrants you are trying to go after, you become no better then them. There is no cause worthy enough to condone torturing prisoners. We are supposed to be the fucking good guys. Can we finally say ENOUGH to the fear of terrorist attacks on this country. If they really want to attack this country, youll never be able to just stop it completely, so stop throwing money that we dont have at the problem.

Im not even a big Obama supporter, but I loved his comment and agree completely. If this dicknose doesnt like what youre doing then youre definitely on the right track.

[A.J.]

Former Vice President Dick Cheney slammed President Obama again on Monday night during an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity at Cheney's home in McLean, Virginia.

He's a rotten neighbor.

[booster11373]

I would pull his Secret Service detail

[epo]

I love it when Cheney talks. It reminds me why I'm not a republican.

[TjM]

I prefer the ol America fuck ya!, If you disagree you're un-american, and THEY HATE OUR FREEDOM!!! Policies of the old admin

[TjM]

- Personally I think Obama needs to prosecute the guys who did the torture instead of letting them go and go after those who support it...Dick supported it..wouldn't it be nice to have him in a jail cell. Maybe Rape works to shut his mouth up. Has any other vice president talked so much about a current administration as this asshole?:wallbash:

Very naive view. War is nasty but compared to most of our enemies we're pussycats. Some of the things you have to do while unpleasant are necessary

[angrymissy]

Very naive view. War is nasty but compared to most of our enemies we're pussycats. Some of the things you have to do while unpleasant are necessary

You heard about that reporter just arrested as a "spy" in Iran?

Would you approve of her being waterboarded?

After all, their Government says she's a spy.

[Doogie]

Very naive view. War is nasty but compared to most of our enemies we're pussycats. Some of the things you have to do while unpleasant are necessary

I whole-heartedly agree with this. I love what are some of our definitions of "torture" and what the rest of the world considers torture. There are some things in that rant of Cheney's I disagree with, but I do agree with his opinion of Obama's approach to Hugo Chavez. This man is a brute. He is a bully and a dictator and to act like he is anything else is naive. I know that opinion wont be popular but I dont give a damn either.

[ToiletCrusher]

Disturbing is that Cheney is still alive.

[TjM]

You heard about that reporter just arrested as a "spy" in Iran?

Would you approve of her being waterboarded?

After all, their Government says she's a spy.


I don't know if she's a spy I also don't like torture I'm only saying that I can not condone prosecuting OUR people for fucking PR reasons.

[A.J.]

Disturbing is that Cheney is still alive.

He's more machine than man now.

[ToiletCrusher]

He's more machine than man now.

I've seen a movie about machines from the future once.

Do you think he could be one of those?

[HBox]

At some point we need to prove that we are actually the good guys and not just the less bad guys.

I'm sure everyone here would have a problem with one of our soldiers being water boarded 183 times after he's given up all the info he had. But we have no right to complain anymore.

[ChrisTheCop]

I whole-heartedly agree with this. I love what are some of our definitions of "torture" and what the rest of the world considers torture. There are some things in that rant of Cheney's I disagree with, but I do agree with his opinion of Obama's approach to Hugo Chavez. This man is a brute. He is a bully and a dictator and to act like he is anything else is naive. I know that opinion wont be popular but I dont give a damn either.

Agreed. Chavez's victims and enemies also saw that handshake, and may interpret it to mean USA supports Chavez's actions. We are not his only adversaries.

I'm all for the kinder gentler approach, but to publicly forgive and forget ongoing travesties is a mistake. At first I thought the handshake was merely another faux pas, but when I read he meant to do it, I was shocked.

[Doogie]

At some point we need to prove that we are actually the good guys and not just the less bad guys.

I'm sure everyone here would have a problem with one of our soldiers being water boarded 183 times after he's given up all the info he had. But we have no right to complain anymore.

Bullshit to this one...and I will tell you why. Our soldiers every single year have to go through a refresher course on code of conduct in combat, as well as conduct treating POW's. Fuck not even the British follow this code anymore. We are probably some of the more congenial soldiers in the world and our prisoners are treated better than our combatants would be if captured.

Ok, yes some innocents get caught up in this two. It happens. It is very unfortunate, but it happens. And what constitutes being an "good guy??" Now we arent like the Nazi's despite the fact that many news outlets will have you thinking otherwise. There are threats out there everyday that would love to get in a strike or an attack against us. If capturing a cabbie in some other country to get the info to where these guys might strike is what is necessary. So be it. Should the cabbie be tortured. No. But like I said before, what is seen as a certain types of interrogation is decried by many as torture.

And yes, we do have a right to complain. We abide by many international treaties regarding the treatment of international prisoners and the like. Hell look at the bastard captured amongst those pirate groups. They are trying to make him sound like he was some brainwashed kid caught up with thugs. Fuck that!! We all can make choices in life, and if part of your choices include committing piracy and you get captured; when you get brought in, I say we should do all that is necessary to find out info where to strike these bastards to keep it from happening again. And all within laws of international treaties too.

[TripleSkeet]

I whole-heartedly agree with this. I love what are some of our definitions of "torture" and what the rest of the world considers torture. There are some things in that rant of Cheney's I disagree with, but I do agree with his opinion of Obama's approach to Hugo Chavez. This man is a brute. He is a bully and a dictator and to act like he is anything else is naive. I know that opinion wont be popular but I dont give a damn either.

It doesnt matter if hes a brute. He is the leader of his country and as the leader of another country Obamas responsibility is to be diplomatic. Americans need to get the fuck off their high horse and realize that other countries dont have to do things the way we do it. Stop trying to make this Planet USA and keep in mind we are just one of many. Especially now when America is starting to look like Rome just before the flames ignited.

And it doesnt matter if our torture is "not as bad as other countries". Torture is torture. And we as a civilized society should be above that. I dont give a fuck how many buildings they blew up, try them and carry out their sentence, but dont become the savages they are under the guise of "we may save some lives". Fuck that.

[HBox]

Ok, yes some innocents get caught up in this two. It happens. It is very unfortunate, but it happens. And what constitutes being an "good guy??" Now we arent like the Nazi's despite the fact that many news outlets will have you thinking otherwise. There are threats out there everyday that would love to get in a strike or an attack against us. If capturing a cabbie in some other country to get the info to where these guys might strike is what is necessary. So be it. Should the cabbie be tortured. No. But like I said before, what is seen as a certain types of interrogation is decried by many as torture.

You are falling into 7 years of Bush and Cheney post 9/11 paranoia. How long did it take them to knock down the towers when we were essentially not paying attention? For them to carry out an attack here is incredibly difficult. We are not facing a perpetual ticking time bomb scenario.

And have you read those memos? I did I'm sure that what we did was torture. Constantly slamming prisoners heads into walls qualifies to me. Among other things. And quite a few prisoners have died from the harsh treatment in our custody. And they pretty much drove Jose Padilla insane.

And yes, we do have a right to complain. We abide by many international treaties regarding the treatment of international prisoners and the like. Hell look at the bastard captured amongst those pirate groups. They are trying to make him sound like he was some brainwashed kid caught up with thugs. Fuck that!! We all can make choices in life, and if part of your choices include committing piracy and you get captured; when you get brought in, I say we should do all that is necessary to find out info where to strike these bastards to keep it from happening again. And all within laws of international treaties too.

What was outlined in those memos were clear violations of the Geneva Conventions.

Don't be dishonest with yourself. You think this stuff was justified. But call it what it clearly is.

[ChrisTheCop]

Americans need to get the fuck off their high horse and realize that other countries dont have to do things the way we do it. Stop trying to make this Planet USA and keep in mind we are just one of many.

Although we are one of many, we have put ourselves, over centuries, in the position of being looked TO by other countries, not just looked AT. I agree with your comment wholeheartedly, but for different reasons. The leader of our country has to realize that his actions dont just affect America, or his administration.

[HBox]

And would some of you stop blowing up Chavez beyond what he is. He's a lousy leader of a country. That's it. He's not a dictator. He was elected and with every international watchdog group monitoring those elections because they were sure he was rigging the vote and they found nothing. He's had a solid base of public support in Venezuela. He's running the country into the ground and that's it. He stays in power because he's a master manipulator of the media. Everyone who tries to demonize him and make him out to be more than he is just helps him exploit Western resentment in Venezuela to his own gain.

[A.J.]

Cheney pointedly questioned the president's leadership, criticized Obama's overseas trips as "disturbing," said his handshake with Venezuela's Hugo Chavez was "not helpful," and strongly disagreed with the release of the torture memos.

Hey, at least he didn't BOW to Chavez like he did to King 'Abdallah of Saudi Arabia.

http://www.usnews.com/dbimages/master/10457/FE_DA_090409publicopinion.jpg

[Doogie]

You are falling into 7 years of Bush and Cheney post 9/11 paranoia. How long did it take them to knock down the towers when we were essentially not paying attention? For them to carry out an attack here is incredibly difficult. We are not facing a perpetual ticking time bomb scenario.

And have you read those memos? I did I'm sure that what we did was torture. Constantly slamming prisoners heads into walls qualifies to me. Among other things. And quite a few prisoners have died from the harsh treatment in our custody. And they pretty much drove Jose Padilla insane.



What was outlined in those memos were clear violations of the Geneva Conventions.

Don't be dishonest with yourself. You think this stuff was justified. But call it what it clearly is.


I understand you saying that it is "Post 9/11" paranoia. I can understand why you would give me a quick generalization without knowing all the facts. I knew as soon as I hit post that someone would quote what I said and state such a thing. I speak from a fact of having been in the military and understanding a little bit more about how other nations operate in their abilities to "test" us. Ive seen first hand how many nations try to find weaknesses in our systems and abilities. It happens a lot more frequently than you are aware of, and it happens by nations both we are "friendly" with as well as ones were are combative with. I just needed to point that out.

Like I said, some instances suck when it comes to extracting info. Sure I dont justify bouncing someone's head off a wall, but when the converse is planting a bomb in a court yard full of innocents or beheading, hell it is nice. At least they all will have their day in court now.

[angrymissy]

I also don't understand the whole "handshake" thing.

What exactly was expected of him? Should he have refused and shook his head disapprovingly?

I mean, I kind of look at it as I hate people I work for, they are mean, nasty assholes, but I still have to smile and shake their hand in a business setting.

[A.J.]

I also don't understand the whole "handshake" thing.

What exactly was expected of him? Should he have refused and shook his head disapprovingly?

http://static.guim.co.uk/Guardian/world/gallery/2008/jun/20/usa/Obamabump-553.jpg

[Doogie]

I wont go critisizing Obama's bowing or hand shaking. To me, he got bad advice from his staff about how to broach that situation. Also I think douches at FoxNews love using that shit to scare the hell out of people. Its the honeymoon period for the president even when it comes to the international scene.

[angrymissy]

I haven't been watching cable news in a while.

Honestly though, I'm just wondering what they think he should have done.

Would it be like he extends his hand, Obama crosses his arms across his chest, and everyone goes OHHHHHH BURNNNNN!!!?

[ADF]

I haven't been watching cable news in a while.

Honestly though, I'm just wondering what they think he should have done.

Would it be like he extends his hand, Obama crosses his arms across his chest, and everyone goes OHHHHHH BURNNNNN!!!?

My personal fave is the "up high! down low! Oh, too slow!" trick. There's also the "up high, down low, in the middle, cut the pickle, tickle tickle" trick.

[Death Metal Moe]

Cowboy politics had 8 years and it failed.

I'm more than willing to let Obama try his way instead of labeling whole regions of the world and cutting them off, even from talks, which is the only way change takes place.

Fuck Dick Cheney. Fuck him long, and fuck him hard. Fuck him for 8 years, the same amount of time he fucked us.

It says a lot to me that John McCain's camp was furious when they heard Cheney publicly gave his backing to the McCain ticket. Not even his own party wants anything to do with him.

You're done Dick, fade away. You had your way, it didn't work. Of course you don't like Obama's approach, it's the approach of the opposing party. You're still just preaching your usual Terrorism fear mongering and towing the party line. That's all you ever had. Luckily for you, it was enough to get all of us behind you after 9/11. All I have now is to be ashamed for letting you do that to me. Ashamed for the rest of my life you took us into a country that never attacked us. At least I learned a lesson I won't soon forget either.

[CurseoftheBambi]

Hey, at least he didn't BOW to Chavez like he did to King 'Abdallah of Saudi Arabia.


Yeah you're right ...he could have kissed him and held his hand walking around like Bush did to King 'Abdallah of Saudi Arabia.

http://www.cbseyemobile.com/content/54488_vt1plxzbsvw8p_mm.jpg

http://www.cbseyemobile.com/files/cbs.UltraLip.54518.dd.jpg

http://dohiyimir.typepad.com/bush-abdulah.jpg

http://prophetofdoom.net/pics/Islamic_Clubs_Taliban/George_W_Bush_Prince_Abdullah_kiss_hold_hands.jpg

let me do my impersonation of Fox.

"A Kiss...a Hand hold...a TERRORIST FRENCH KISS?!":wallbash:

[CurseoftheBambi]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/21/obama-chavez-handshake-wa_n_189412.html

Obama, Chavez Handshake Was 'Boyz In The Hood'-Style: Kudlow

So what's the New New Fox News Thing? Obsessing endlessly on a handshake, folks. Yes, President Barack Obama went to the Summit of the Americas in Trinidad to listen to Daniel Ortega ramble on for a million hours, and during that time, he had the opportunity to meet Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chavez. That's when the worst thing that's ever happened to American hemispheric hegemony occurred: Obama shook Chavez's hand. Immediately, the Statue of Liberty displayed stigmata.

And here's a video of Larry Kudlow freaking out about it, calling it a "boyz in the hood" handshake. But did he make sweet "thuggy love" to Colombian President Alvaro Uribe? No! So now Kudlow is warning of OMENS. So that's why we all get socialized medicine from Citgo today, because Obama didn't just choke Chavez to death, right there in front of everyone.

* link has video so you can hear him yourself*

How stupid how moronic how fucking desperate! How blalantly racist!

[epo]

This "outrage" only shows me that our culture is absolutely stupid. We lack the intellectual capacity to understand that geopolitics are more important that our pundit shows.

[KnoxHarrington]

As to the "Our torture isn't as bad as theirs" comments above: one of the things the CIA loved to do with certain prisoners was ship them to countries like Egypt or Morocco or other countries where they do a shitload more than waterboarding.

So if they were told to stop the torture at some point, they put them where they knew for damn sure they'd get it.

[booster11373]

I used to think Cheney was a crook using US policy to his own ends and to profit his cronies. Hearing him give his little statements since leaving office I would have to say that this cant be true at least as primary motivation of US policy during the Bush years. The man is a true believer of all the shit he went for during his time in office, I dont know if that makes him more or less dangerous

[A.J.]

Yeah you're right ...he could have kissed him and held his hand walking around like Bush did to King 'Abdallah of Saudi Arabia.

I wouldn't have blamed him for a second. The King is irresistable.

[jonnyAK]

:thumbup:Very naive view. War is nasty but compared to most of our enemies we're pussycats. Some of the things you have to do while unpleasant are necessary

:clap: