first bird flu, now swine flu

[brettmojo]

New Jersey is shutting down because of swine flu:

http://www.summit.k12.nj.us/



Pandemic was declared:

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE55A1U720090611?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&rpc=22&sp=true



By fall we will have mandatory flu shots for US citizens. It's bringing the world to it's knees.
They'll give me a flu shot when they jab that needle in my cold, dead ass!

[Furtherman]

Fans urged to drink whisky to ward off swine flu (http://news.stv.tv/oddly-enough/113467-russian-fans-urged-to-drink-whisky-to-ward-off-swine-flu/)

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian soccer fans have been told to drink whisky on their trip to Wales for next month's World Cup qualifier to ward off the H1N1 swine flu virus, the head of the country's supporter association (VOB) said on Monday.

"We urge our fans to drink a lot of Welsh whisky as a form of disinfection," VOB head Alexander Shprygin told Reuters.

"That should cure all symptoms of the disease."

I believe Alex.

And I am now probably immune.

[LordJezo]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090810/tuk-swine-flu-drug-harmful-to-young-6323e80.html

Swine flu drug harming our children.

This is going to send the Illuminati people into a frenzy. Simply more proof about the elites trying to control population and kill off as many as they can to reduce the amount of people on the earth.

Children are being used as experiments for the drug companies and no one is doing anything about it.

[epo]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090810/tuk-swine-flu-drug-harmful-to-young-6323e80.html

Swine flu drug harming our children.

This is going to send the Illuminati people into a frenzy. Simply more proof about the elites trying to control population and kill off as many as they can to reduce the amount of people on the earth.

Children are being used as experiments for the drug companies and no one is doing anything about it.

Did you get your package in the mail yet? Be sure to use the lotion, it was especially made for you.

[foodcourtdruide]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090810/tuk-swine-flu-drug-harmful-to-young-6323e80.html

Swine flu drug harming our children.

This is going to send the Illuminati people into a frenzy. Simply more proof about the elites trying to control population and kill off as many as they can to reduce the amount of people on the earth.

Children are being used as experiments for the drug companies and no one is doing anything about it.

That's not true. You have no idea how much work Aquaman is doing under the ocean to help us.

[SatCam]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090810/tuk-swine-flu-drug-harmful-to-young-6323e80.html

Swine flu drug harming our children.

This is going to send the Illuminati people into a frenzy. Simply more proof about the elites trying to control population and kill off as many as they can to reduce the amount of people on the earth.

Children are being used as experiments for the drug companies and no one is doing anything about it.

fuck the children no one liked them anyway

[TooLowBrow]

a buddy of mine from mn. just spent the weekend in nyc for his bachelor party

the past 2 days ive felt like crap.

now he calls me and says he has h1n1 and we should maybe get some tamaflu

ive been sleeping a lot, im not sure if i should get the shot or just take care of myself and hope my body fights it off

any advice?

[furie]

neat little segment on the 1976 swine flu outbreak (http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=26940)


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[LordJezo]

fuck the children no one liked them anyway

Children being forced to wash their hands.

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/h1n1.hand.sanitizer.2.1183049.html

[Kublakhan61]

a buddy of mine from mn. just spent the weekend in nyc for his bachelor party

the past 2 days ive felt like crap.

now he calls me and says he has h1n1 and we should maybe get some tamaflu

ive been sleeping a lot, im not sure if i should get the shot or just take care of myself and hope my body fights it off

any advice?

Yes, stay home and get as much rest as you feel you need. Also, drink a lot of water, and chicken broth.

There is no shot for h1n1, so the only shot you're eligible for is the standard flu shot. However, considering you're already facing a weak immune system you should stay out of the hospital where you're likely to pick up something more.

Seek medical attention only at the point where you're respiratory system is suffering. There is no cure, so a doc is only going to take your co-pay and say something similar to this.

A Quick Recap: stay in, drink clear fluids, get rest. You'll be OK.

[foodcourtdruide]

Children being forced to wash their hands.

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/h1n1.hand.sanitizer.2.1183049.html

Do you think this is part of obama's world domination plan?

[TooLowBrow]

Yes, stay home and get as much rest as you feel you need. Also, drink a lot of water, and chicken broth.

There is no shot for h1n1, so the only shot you're eligible for is the standard flu shot. However, considering you're already facing a weak immune system you should stay out of the hospital where you're likely to pick up something more.

Seek medical attention only at the point where you're respiratory system is suffering. There is no cure, so a doc is only going to take your co-pay and say something similar to this.

A Quick Recap: stay in, drink clear fluids, get rest. You'll be OK.
thanks

[epo]

Children being forced to wash their hands.

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/h1n1.hand.sanitizer.2.1183049.html

Did you use the lotion we sent you?

[TooLowBrow]

The Creole Pig was a breed of pig indigenous to the Caribbean nation of Haiti. Creole pigs were well adapted to the rugged terrain and sparse vegetation of Haiti. The pig’s resilience allowed Haitian peasants to raise these pigs with little resources. The peasants characterized their pigs as never getting sick.

Creole pigs served as a type of savings account for the Haitian peasant: They were sold or slaughtered to pay for marriages, medical emergencies, schooling, seeds for crops, or a vodou ceremony. The resillience and boisterous nature of the pigs, as well as their incorporation into vodou folklore and the oral history of the Haitian revolution, made them a symbol for the independence and personality of the Haitian people.

Creole pigs were well adapted to local conditions, such as available feed and conditions needed for their management as livestock and were popular with the Haitian peasant farmers. However, they were almost all killed off in the 1970s and 1980s, ostensibly in order to prevent the spread of African swine fever virus, which had spread from Spain to the Dominican Republic and then to Haiti via the Artibonite River. According to the United States, by 1982 African swine fever had infected almost one-third of Haiti's creole pig population. Concerned about the spread of the disease into the US and its potential effects on agriculture, the US put political pressure on the Haitian government to slaughter all the pigs in their country.

This reasoning was subsequently questioned by the government of Jean-Bertrand Aristide, as well as numerous academic reports, including a report published in a 1990 edition of "Stretch"[1]. The eradication of the creole pig had gone further to impoverish the already struggling peasants. It forced many children to quit school. Small farmers were forced to mortgage their land. Many Haitians cut down trees for cash income from charcoal. This contributed to the desertification of the Haitian landscape, already begun by overpopulation.

In the Haitian peasant community, the government's eradication and repopulation program was highly criticized. The peasants protested that they were not fairly compensated for their pigs and that the breed of pigs imported from the United States to replace the hardy creole pigs was unsuitable for the Haitian environment and economy.

The new breed of pigs imported from the US, common to large farms in the American Midwest, was characterized as "better" than the creole pig. Unfortunately, they required clean drinking water which is unavailable to 80% of the Haitian population, imported feed (costing $90 a year when the per capita income was about $130), vaccination, and special roofed pigpens. There is controversy over whether the importation of these pigs was encouraged by US agribusiness, as the raising of these pigs was so heavily dependent on imported products. Haitian peasants quickly named the pigs "prince à quatre pieds," (four-footed princes). The repopulation program was a complete failure.

so, last time swine flu was just a lie so we could sell pigs to haitians, pigs that would die and have to be replaced... with more costly american pigs

the 1978 outbreak was a huge source of revenue for many americans who took advantage of a scary disease

so, whos making the $ this time?

govt?
pharmaceutical companies?
conservatives?

[LordJezo]

More forced vaccines coming:

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/mandatory-flu-vaccination-splits-workers-1.1481242?print=true

You all laughed when I said it was going to be forced on the people but here it is. Government contracted companies now being made part of law to have their products put into citizens. They profit as we get shot up with chemicals, and if anything goes wrong they have been shielded against lawsuits.

[foodcourtdruide]

More forced vaccines coming:

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/mandatory-flu-vaccination-splits-workers-1.1481242?print=true

You all laughed when I said it was going to be forced on the people but here it is. Government contracted companies now being made part of law to have their products put into citizens. They profit as we get shot up with chemicals, and if anything goes wrong they have been shielded against lawsuits.

Don't you think you should wait until Nov. 30th to make this announcement? It looks like people are still protesting.


Also, people laugh at you because of your constant doomsday proclaimations. I'm on the fence with this issue, but I'm pretty sure its not the first step towards the end of the world.

[LordJezo]

Yep, you guys just keep on getting that swine flu vaccine.

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I won't be a part of the extermination of a majority of the human race.

[furie]

Yep, you guys just keep on getting that swine flu vaccine.

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I won't be a part of the extermination of a majority of the human race.

normally i would say that guy is a kook.
but when crazy things are said with a british accent, it just makes sense!

[underdog]

CDC: 28 Pregnant Women Dead From H1N1 (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,559062,00.html)

I posted something about this in one of the drivel threads, but he's more info.

My nurse friend says its actually 10x worse than the media is making it out to be. I guess they're trying not to scare the public or something, but she says the stuff she's seen in her own hospital dwarfs what's being reported on the news.

[epo]

CDC: 28 Pregnant Women Dead From H1N1 (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,559062,00.html)

I posted something about this in one of the drivel threads, but he's more info.

My nurse friend says its actually 10x worse than the media is making it out to be. I guess they're trying not to scare the public or something, but she says the stuff she's seen in her own hospital dwarfs what's being reported on the news.

Pregnant women and kids are the risk groups for this strain of influenza. But I need to point out that this strain of influenza attacks different groups than the traditional flu, but statistically is no worse overall.

[underdog]

Pregnant women and kids are the risk groups for this strain of influenza. But I need to point out that this strain of influenza attacks different groups than the traditional flu, but statistically is no worse overall.

Yeah, she's said she's been noticing the children and pregnant women. Also old people, but she's learned to ignore them.

[LordJezo]

My nurse friend says its actually 10x worse than the media is making it out to be. I guess they're trying not to scare the public or something, but she says the stuff she's seen in her own hospital dwarfs what's being reported on the news.

My friend and his chick who got the swine flu says its about 10x less than the media is being reported. They sat in bed for a week, felt poopy, then went back to work.

My doctor tells me that it's much easier to deal with than the normal flu and that the media is just going stupid because they like a good story.

[Dude!]

My doctor tells me that it's much easier to deal with than the normal flu and that the media is just going stupid because they like a good story.

no, the media is pushing the fear
because they are part of the plan
to vaccinate everyone so they all die

[underdog]

My friend and his chick who got the swine flu says its about 10x less than the media is being reported. They sat in bed for a week, felt poopy, then went back to work.

My doctor tells me that it's much easier to deal with than the normal flu and that the media is just going stupid because they like a good story.

She says its just like the flu, it's just attacking and killing more people than being reported.

[foodcourtdruide]

no, the media is pushing the fear
because they are part of the plan
to vaccinate everyone so they all die

So the way Obama plans to kill everyone is by vaccinating them to protect them from a disease? And wait.. if Obama's ultimate plan is to kill everyone wouldn't that make all the other conspiracy theories moot?

[Dude!]

So the way Obama plans to kill everyone is by vaccinating them to protect them from a disease? And wait.. if Obama's ultimate plan is to kill everyone wouldn't that make all the other conspiracy theories moot?

good afternoon, mr. literal

[foodcourtdruide]

good afternoon, mr. literal

There is still a person in this thread that believes all this!

[epo]

Yeah, she's said she's been noticing the children and pregnant women. Also old people, but she's learned to ignore them.

Old people (65+) are the lowest risk group for H1N1 and should get the seasonal flu vaccine.

[Dude!]

i'd shoot myself
before i'd get that vaccine

[TheMojoPin]

You could have stopped
after the first gasp.

[Dude!]

You could have stopped
after the first gasp.

take a walk on the south side
now

[keithy_19]

I got the first flu shot of my life a few weeks ago. Not the swine flue shot, just the regular one.

I don't think we should force vaccinations for the swine flu, mostly because I feel that it's not going to be this epidemic that kills thousands of Americans.

God, my thoughts that I write lately are so bland.

[TheMojoPin]

take a walk on the south side
now

I do all the time
It's quite lovely.

[foodcourtdruide]

I got the first flu shot of my life a few weeks ago. Not the swine flue shot, just the regular one.

I don't think we should force vaccinations for the swine flu, mostly because I feel that it's not going to be this epidemic that kills thousands of Americans.

God, my thoughts that I write lately are so bland.

With all due respect... What do you base your "feeling" on?

[keithy_19]

That we're rushing a vaccine out to people. I'm wary of vaccines before they are proven. This flu is very survivable. A lot of people have been sick with it, but we haven't seen the amount of deaths it has caused in America that we were told we'd see.

[PapaBear]

That we're rushing a vaccine out to people. I'm wary of vaccines before they are proven. This flu is very survivable. A lot of people have been sick with it, but we haven't seen the amount of deaths it has caused in America that we were told we'd see.
It's not a very serious kind of flu for most people. The problem is, it spreads much quicker than most flu strains. Given the fact that it spreads easily, and it is very dangerous for people with certain risk factors (and there are a lot of people with those risk factors), it is something that should be eradicated as soon as possible.

Influenza kills more people than AIDS does. I don't have data to back up this statement, but you're probably more likely to die from a slip in the shower, than you are from having a bad reaction to a flu vaccination.

[foodcourtdruide]

That we're rushing a vaccine out to people. I'm wary of vaccines before they are proven. This flu is very survivable. A lot of people have been sick with it, but we haven't seen the amount of deaths it has caused in America that we were told we'd see.

What makes you say they are rushing it? I'm not antagonizing you to be an asshole. I'm just ignorant on the subject all together.

[Syd]

That we're rushing a vaccine out to people. I'm wary of vaccines before they are proven. This flu is very survivable. A lot of people have been sick with it, but we haven't seen the amount of deaths it has caused in America that we were told we'd see.

H1N1 is just a variant of the flu -- we understand viruses far better now than ever. It's no more being rushed out than the seasonal flu vaccine. We don't even know which flu will be prevalent, we just take an educated guess. If anything, the H1N1 represents a more scientific effort than that of the seasonal flu vaccine.

edit:
Also one of the other things is that the H1N1 is deadly to a different type of people. People with BMIs of over 40 are especially at risk and that isn't an uncommon type of person in the US either. Plus, we're still just now getting into flu season -- H1N1 didn't slow down as much as was expected during the non-flu season.

Beyond that, it's not helpful having people get sick and taking off work (after likely spreading it around the office). I

[epo]

What makes you say they are rushing it? I'm not antagonizing you to be an asshole. I'm just ignorant on the subject all together.

You aren't being an asshole, Keithy is unfortunately talking about something he doesn't understand.

If the H1N1 hadn't been introduced so late last year, it wouldve been part of the seasonal flu vaccine. The science is done on this vaccine.

[keithy_19]

You aren't being an asshole, Keithy is unfortunately talking about something he doesn't understand.

If the H1N1 hadn't been introduced so late last year, it wouldve been part of the seasonal flu vaccine. The science is done on this vaccine.

I don't feel they it should be forced on people. If you have risk factors for it, then I feel that yes, you should take it. But a perfectly healthy person shouldn't be made to. To be honest, I would most likely be a candidate for getting it.

[epo]

I don't feel they it should be forced on people. If you have risk factors for it, then I feel that yes, you should take it. But a perfectly healthy person shouldn't be made to. To be honest, I would most likely be a candidate for getting it.

That we're rushing a vaccine out to people. I'm wary of vaccines before they are proven.

This. You are talking out of your ass about this.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The science is done on this vaccine.

From the FDA:

8.
1. Pregnancy
Pregnancy Category C: Animal reproduction studies have not been conducted with Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine or Fluzone vaccine. It is also not known whether these vaccines can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction capacity. Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine should be given to a pregnant woman only if clearly needed.

The science is clearly not done.

I have concerns. Big concerns. I keep thinking about thalidomide issues.

[foodcourtdruide]

From the FDA:

8.
1. Pregnancy
Pregnancy Category C: Animal reproduction studies have not been conducted with Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine or Fluzone vaccine. It is also not known whether these vaccines can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction capacity. Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine should be given to a pregnant woman only if clearly needed.

The science is clearly not done.

I have concerns. Big concerns. I keep thinking about thalidomide issues.

How does this prove the science is not done?

[epo]

H1N1 is a new strain of the seasonal flu. The vaccine is being produced using the same processes and in the same facilities as the seasonal flu vaccine. The H1N1 vaccine was thoroughly tested and has been approved by the Food and Drug Administration based on the same standards as the seasonal flu vaccine.

On top of that pregnant women are in one of the greatest risk groups for this strain of influenza. If you have questions, don't listen to us jokers on the internet, listen to your physician.

[Aggie]

How does this prove the science is not done?

Would you have your pregnant wife take it after reading that?

[Tenbatsuzen]

H1N1 is a new strain of the seasonal flu. The vaccine is being produced using the same processes and in the same facilities as the seasonal flu vaccine. The H1N1 vaccine was thoroughly tested and has been approved by the Food and Drug Administration based on the same standards as the seasonal flu vaccine.

On top of that pregnant women are in one of the greatest risk groups for this strain of influenza. If you have questions, don't listen to us jokers on the internet, listen to your physician.

I've spoken to two people - one is a doctor, the other is an ER nurse. Both are pregnant. Both are unsure.

My main concern isn't the vaccine itself, it's the additives to the vaccine.

Doctors warn pregnant women not to eat fish because of mercury - but they're ok with flu shots with thimerosal?

You have to do research to find out about flu shots w/o thimerosal are available... but do you think someone who is uninformed will ask?

[Tenbatsuzen]

How does this prove the science is not done?

again:

Animal reproduction studies have not been conducted with Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine or Fluzone vaccine.

If something hasn't been conducted, that means IT'S NOT DONE.

[foodcourtdruide]

Of course I wouldn't have my pregnant wife take the vaccination. It sounds like they are advising pregnant women NOT to take the vaccination unless 100% necessary. But what does this have to do wtih ME taking it?

[foodcourtdruide]

again:

Animal reproduction studies have not been conducted with Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine or Fluzone vaccine.

If something hasn't been conducted, that means IT'S NOT DONE.

It is not done in that specific case.

[epo]

I do know that the H1N1 nasal spray (or Mist) is NOT approved for pregnant women.

Also the NIH is working on the final study currently on pregnancy/vaccine. Link here. (http://www.nih.gov/news/health/sep2009/niaid-09.htm)

[Tenbatsuzen]

Of course I wouldn't have my pregnant wife take the vaccination. It sounds like they are advising pregnant women NOT to take the vaccination unless 100% necessary. But what does this have to do wtih ME taking it?

Uh, my wife is pregnant, several people on the board are pregnant, and several more are trying to get pregnant. That's why I brought it up.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I do know that the H1N1 nasal spray (or Mist) is NOT approved for pregnant women.

Also the NIH is working on the final study currently on pregnancy/vaccine. Link here. (http://www.nih.gov/news/health/sep2009/niaid-09.htm)

Would it be a fair recommendation that if a pregnant woman is hell bent on taking it, that she should take the seasonal version only w/o thimerosal, adminstered by her doctor and not some idiot at CVS?

[Ritalin]

I've spoken to two people - one is a doctor, the other is an ER nurse. Both are pregnant. Both are unsure.

My main concern isn't the vaccine itself, it's the additives to the vaccine.

Doctors warn pregnant women not to eat fish because of mercury - but they're ok with flu shots with thimerosal?

You have to do research to find out about flu shots w/o thimerosal are available... but do you think someone who is uninformed will ask?

While my wife was pregnant last year, I found that every single health care provider we encountered here in NYC knew and anticipated every question people like you and I knew to ask.

I think it's because - and I'm not trying to be snobby here, people - so many women and couples in NYC educate themselves about whatever they're going through and expect answers that health care providers have to cater to that kind of patient.

Thimerosal, pitocin, fetal heart rate monitors, alternative birthing methods. You read the books and expect to have to fight to have the kind of pregnancy and delivery you want, then you go out and find that everyone in NYC is receptive to that already.

I would have serious questions about my wife taking the second flu shot if she were pregnant, for sure.

[Aggie]

Of course I wouldn't have my pregnant wife take the vaccination. It sounds like they are advising pregnant women NOT to take the vaccination unless 100% necessary. But what does this have to do wtih ME taking it?

It doesn't. He was talking about Liz taking it from the other thread. You might not have known that. And that's why he said the science wasn't done. We were referring to pregnant women taking it.

[epo]

Would it be a fair recommendation that if a pregnant woman is hell bent on taking it, that she should take the seasonal version only w/o thimerosal, adminstered by her doctor and not some idiot at CVS?

From my understanding, that would be fair. Just remember that right now, the only the nasal spray/mist is available this week, the shot will be available soon. The concern would be that pregnant women are in that high risk group.

And please, nobody should be getting medical help at a CVS.

[Dude!]

And please, nobody should be getting medical help at a CVS.

or medical advice
from anyone on ronfez.net

[epo]

If you have questions, don't listen to us jokers on the internet, listen to your physician.

or medical advice
from anyone on ronfez.net

That's been covered.

[Dude!]

That's been covered.

not thoroughly enough
bunch of whacko crackpots here

[foodcourtdruide]

Uh, my wife is pregnant, several people on the board are pregnant, and several more are trying to get pregnant. That's why I brought it up.

Ohhhh, sorry. I didn't know that. Yeah man, I agree with you.

[Zorro]

From my understanding, that would be fair. Just remember that right now, the only the nasal spray/mist is available this week, the shot will be available soon. The concern would be that pregnant women are in that high risk group.

And please, nobody should be getting medical help at a CVS.

http://pagingdrgupta.blogs.cnn.com/2009/08/05/swine-flu-vaccine-for-pregnant-women/

Swine flu vaccine for pregnant women
Posted: 12:05 PM ET
By Miriam Falco
CNN Medical News managing editor

Last October, I blogged about why health officials say pregnant women need to get a flu shot. (Full Story) Reporting on the need to get vaccinated against the influenza virus is something medical reporters do every year. Why in October? Because that’s when the vaccine is usually available and when flu season is right around the corner. Why pregnant women? Well, as I learned last year, if a pregnant woman gets the flu, it could lead to serious complications including pneumonia, dehydration and hospitalization. Because pregnancy changes a woman’s immune system, she can get a lot sicker than women who aren’t pregnant. She can even die from it.


...and why you knocking CVS. You're getting the same flu shot there you get at your Doctor and there's no charge for the visit. Seems no more dangerous than from a schhol nurse.

[foodcourtdruide]

It doesn't. He was talking about Liz taking it from the other thread. You might not have known that. And that's why he said the science wasn't done. We were referring to pregnant women taking it.

Got'cha. And I was confusing it with Keithy's assertion earlier in this thread.

[Furtherman]

Got'cha. And I was confusing it with Keithy's assersion earlier in this thread.

Oh c'mon. Keithy doesn't assert.

[foodcourtdruide]

Oh c'mon. Keithy doesn't assert.

Now I feel like I spelled assersion wrong.

EDIT: I did! It's assertion.

[Snoogans]

i cant wait for the horse flu

[disneyspy]

that zombie virus is gonna be great cuz we'll get to use shotguns on people,legallly

[~Katja~]

I've spoken to two people - one is a doctor, the other is an ER nurse. Both are pregnant. Both are unsure.

My main concern isn't the vaccine itself, it's the additives to the vaccine.

Doctors warn pregnant women not to eat fish because of mercury - but they're ok with flu shots with thimerosal?

You have to do research to find out about flu shots w/o thimerosal are available... but do you think someone who is uninformed will ask?

The CFR also requires that the preservative used
.[s]hall be sufficiently non-toxic so that the amount present in the recommended dose of the product will not be toxic to the recipient, and in combination used it shall not denature the specific substance in the product to result in a decrease below the minimal acceptable potency within the dating period when stored at the recommended temperature. [21 CFR 610.15(a)]

eating fish and tuna in bigger quantities will put her at a bigger risk of mercury poisoning than any vaccine.

At concentrations found in vaccines, thimerosal meets the requirements for a preservative as set forth by the United States Pharmacopeia; that is, it kills the specified challenge organisms and is able to prevent the growth of the challenge fungi (U.S. Pharmacopeia 2004). Thimerosal in concentrations of 0.001% (1 part in 100,000) to 0.01% (1 part in 10,000) has been shown to be effective in clearing a broad spectrum of pathogens. A vaccine containing 0.01% thimerosal as a preservative contains 50 micrograms of thimerosal per 0.5 mL dose or approximately 25 micrograms of mercury per 0.5 mL dose.
compare to content in fish

http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodSafety/Product-SpecificInformation/Seafood/FoodbornePathogensContaminants/Methylmercury/ucm115644.htm

[TheMojoPin]

i cant wait for the horse flu

You're going to get coyote flu.

[Snoogans]

You're going to get coyote flu.

not if my pirates and sharks have anything to say about it.

RULE THE WORLD

[SatCam]

Would it be a fair recommendation that if a pregnant woman is hell bent on taking it, that she should take the seasonal version only w/o thimerosal, adminstered by her doctor and not some idiot at CVS?

what does it matter who administered the vaccine? the people who give it in cvs are either pharmacists or nurse practitioners who are just as capable if not more so to administer it than a doctor. of course a pregnant should at consult her doctor first.......

that zombie virus is gonna be great cuz we'll get to use shotguns on people,legallly

I think that's a rider on the new healthcare bill :smoke: but no one has read it anyway, so who knows

[keithy_19]

Oh c'mon. Keithy doesn't assert.

I know.

For the record, this flu shot is basically the same as the regular flu shot. Some doctors are advising that you get the H1N1 vaccine even if you have already gotten the regular flu shot. Though, there seems to be a general consensus that the regular shot will definately minimize your chances of getting the swine flu.

[epo]

I know.

For the record, this flu shot is basically the same as the regular flu shot. Some doctors are advising that you get the H1N1 vaccine even if you have already gotten the regular flu shot. Though, there seems to be a general consensus that the regular shot will definately minimize your chances of getting the swine flu.

No there isn't. They are completely differently strains of influenza.

[JohnCharles]

Let the bears pay the bear tax, I pay the Homer tax.

[TooLowBrow]

Let the bears pay the bear tax, I pay the Homer tax.

thats home owners tax

[Zorro]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125487330214569325.htmlI know.

For the record, this flu shot is basically the same as the regular flu shot. Some doctors are advising that you get the H1N1 vaccine even if you have already gotten the regular flu shot. Though, there seems to be a general consensus that the regular shot will definately minimize your chances of getting the swine flu.

Not only is this wrong most Canadian governments have delayed the regular flu shots until after you get the swine flu vaccine because there is evidence that getting the regular shot makes you more susceptible to swine.

[Zorro]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,562201,00.html?test=latestnews

Another story susggesting it does protect you....

WASHINGTON — Mexican researchers say they have some evidence that the ordinary seasonal flu vaccine may offer some protection against the new pandemic H1N1 swine flu — contrary to other studies.

They found that people who had been vaccinated against seasonal flu were far less likely to be sick or to die from H1N1 than people who had not been immunized against seasonal flu.

"These results are to be considered cautiously and in no way indicate that seasonal vaccine should replace vaccination against pandemic influenza A/H1N1 2009," Lourdes Garcia-Garcia and colleagues at the National Institute of Public Health in Cuernavaca wrote in the British Medical Journal.



I give up on this...gonna get both and try not to die

[Aggie]

Well it's hit my family on both sides of the ocean. My pre-teen cousins in Northern Ireland got it and my 2 year old niece and teenage cousin got it here in Texas. Thankfully they are not serious cases but it's making its way around.

[PapaBear]

This is weird. I gave my bosses kids a ride home Sunday night. His 11 year old son was absolutely fine. He scheduled his kids to get swine flu shots for Monday. Monday morning, the kid woke up and was violently ill with a very high fever. The doc said, not only did he have swine flu, he had a REALLY bad case of it. He was sick for the rest of the day.

Today, he felt fine and was out riding his bike all day.

[Fallon]

WHAT THE FUCK!!!

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[~Katja~]

WHAT THE FUCK!!!

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I saw this on TV the other day and it was not from a tamiflu shot, but a rare side effect from a regular influenza shot

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Were all gonna die!!!!!!

Whats next? color coding like DHS did for terror warnings?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-10-24-Obama-swine-flu_N.htm?csp=34

On the other hand

http://hubpages.com/hub/Sasha-Malia-Will-Not-Receive-the-Swine-Flu-Vaccine

[epo]

Were all gonna die!!!!!!

Whats next? color coding like DHS did for terror warnings?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-10-24-Obama-swine-flu_N.htm?csp=34

Declaring a "State of Emergency" is purely a procedural move to allow states and hospitals the ability to provide better care in the event that the H1N1 virus were to get bad.

On the other hand

http://hubpages.com/hub/Sasha-Malia-Will-Not-Receive-the-Swine-Flu-Vaccine

Seriously? How very hack of you. From the source of your cited opinion piece (http://whitehouse.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/10/08/first-daughters-not-vaccinated-against-h1n1/):

President Obama's school age daughters have not been vaccinated against the H1N1 flu virus. White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs says the vaccine is not available to them based on their risk.

The Centers for Disease Control recommend that children ages 6 months through 18 years of age receive a vaccination against the H1N1 flu virus. At this time only children with chronic medical conditions are receiving the vaccination because their immune system is not strong enough to fight off the strain. The CDC also says a regular seasonal flu shot does not protect against the virus.

That source was dated October 8th. Timely news. Listen, I know you HATE Obama, but this is not the case to rage on the President.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Declaring a "State of Emergency" is purely a procedural move to allow states and hospitals the ability to provide better care in the event that the H1N1 virus were to get bad.



Seriously? How very hack of you. From the source of your cited opinion piece (http://whitehouse.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/10/08/first-daughters-not-vaccinated-against-h1n1/):



That source was dated October 8th. Timely news. Listen, I know you HATE Obama, but this is not the case to rage on the President.



I dont "HATE" Obama for strongly disagreeing with most of his policies, I happen to think dismantling that missile defense system in Eastern Europe and replace missile defense via Naval vessels was one of his better decisions. The whole pay reductions for banks , GM and Chrysler that got bailed out Im for that as well

For the swine flu its being exaggerated I dont believe im paraphrasing Bill Maher but he ws right by saying the "Swine flu has a better publicist"

Once again the double standard, The same "scare tactics" about duct tape, were ridiculed and rightly so. but its Obama so we need to take this as Gospel

[epo]

I dont "HATE" Obama for strongly disagreeing with most of his policies, I happen to think dismantling that missile defense system in Eastern Europe and replace missile defense via Naval vessels was a good thing

For the swine flu its being exaggerated I dont believe im paraphrasing Bill Maher but he ws right by saying the "Swine flu has a better publicist"

Once again the double standard, The same "scare tactics" about duct tape, were ridiculed and rightly so. but its Obama so we need to take this as Gospel

This is not a case of scaring people, as the White House themselves have identified that this is about preparedness, not about ridiculous scare tactics.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This is not a case of scaring people, as the White House themselves have identified that this is about preparedness, not about ridiculous scare tactics.

I just hope those FEMA camps have DirecTV and XM

All kidding aside if there are sporadic cases of people dying, its gonna hit the fan, every other commerical will be a PSA about Swine Flu. Rahm said something like never let a crisis go to waste

[epo]

I just hope those FEMA camps have DirecTV and XM

All kidding aside if there are sporadic cases of people dying, its gonna hit the fan, every other commerical will be a PSA about Swine Flu. Rahm said something like never let a crisis go to waste

The one real positive out of this is that hospitals and state/local governments really are pushed to work on their Emergency Preparedness Plans. Its really something that flies under the radar, but it could be huge in the event of a "real" pandemic.

[badmonkey]

The kids got it last week and generously passed it on to me. They both survived easily. I was fine all day thinking my immune system had already destroyed it like it usually does everything else I catch. At about 8pm it made me pretty fuckin miserable and kept me in bed for about 36hrs and then I was fine again. It didn't live up to the hype at all. If only the media would apply one tenth of it's passion for disasters and pandemics to reporting actual facts, maybe we could stop cowering in fear. Most people will probably suffer less than I did. Hell... if I had been able to keep anything in my stomach for the first couple hours, it would have been a walk in the park as I'd have been able to take some Tylenol.

Yes, it is dangerous for some people. Some people, being a very SMALL percentage of people. When they found out at work that my kids had H1N1, it was like Magic Johnson's first game in the NBA after he announced he had HIV. I got sent home immediately. At least Magic got to bleed on the court before everybody freaked out.

[TooLowBrow]

The kids got it last week and generously passed it on to me. They both survived easily. I was fine all day thinking my immune system had already destroyed it like it usually does everything else I catch. At about 8pm it made me pretty fuckin miserable and kept me in bed for about 36hrs and then I was fine again. It didn't live up to the hype at all. If only the media would apply one tenth of it's passion for disasters and pandemics to reporting actual facts, maybe we could stop cowering in fear. Most people will probably suffer less than I did. Hell... if I had been able to keep anything in my stomach for the first couple hours, it would have been a walk in the park as I'd have been able to take some Tylenol.

Yes, it is dangerous for some people. Some people, being a very SMALL percentage of people. When they found out at work that my kids had H1N1, it was like Magic Johnson's first game in the NBA after he announced he had HIV. I got sent home immediately. At least Magic got to bleed on the court before everybody freaked out.

i thought that the only bad part of it was that i was so tired the whole time.

the other symptoms seemed mild

[A.J.]

I dont "HATE" Obama for strongly disagreeing with most of his policies, I happen to think dismantling that missile defense system in Eastern Europe and replace missile defense via Naval vessels was one of his better decisions.

Me too!

[LordJezo]

Deadly force to be used against people who do not get the shot.

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Obama is making this a fucking scary country to live in.

[IMSlacker]

Awesome! We finally get to see what Jezo looks like!

You really should spend more time at the gym if you're going to do your podcast in a tank top.

[angrymissy]

Awesome! We finally get to see what Jezo looks like!

You really should spend more time at the gym if you're going to do your podcast in a tank top.

And pigtails.

[epo]

On the other hand

http://hubpages.com/hub/Sasha-Malia-Will-Not-Receive-the-Swine-Flu-Vaccine

Oh lookie!

First daughters get H1N1 shots as supplies increase (http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/10/27/h1n1.vaccine/index.html?eref=igoogle_cnn)

The first daughters have gotten it along with other children, and more residents around the nation may soon be able to get the H1N1 flu vaccine as health officials say more is on its way.

According to a statement posted on the White House Web site by Catherine McCormick-Lelyveld, press secretary for first lady Michelle Obama, daughters Sasha and Malia received their H1N1 and seasonal flu vaccines last week. The president's daughters received the vaccine "after the vaccine became available to Washington, D.C., schoolchildren," according to the statement.

Since Friday, about 6 million more doses of H1N1 flu shots and nasal spray have been released.

And we can finally breathe easy knowing that the vaccine that the FDA said was safe is administered to the first daughters. :wacko:

[RhinoinMN]

i will spit or cum on anyone who would like to be immunized.

[IMSlacker]

Oh lookie!

First daughters get H1N1 shots as supplies increase (http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/10/27/h1n1.vaccine/index.html?eref=igoogle_cnn)



And we can finally breathe easy knowing that the vaccine that the FDA said was safe is administered to the first daughters. :wacko:

Oh, sure. The first daughters get immunized, while us normal folk die in the streets. More typical behavior from this fascist Nazi socialist communist administration.

[Dude!]

Oh, sure. The first daughters get immunized, while us normal folk die in the streets.

no, they got the placebo shot
obama doen't want his kids to die
just everyone else's

[A.J.]

Oh, sure. The first daughters get immunized, while us normal folk die in the streets. More typical behavior from this fascist Nazi socialist communist administration.

Next thing you know, First Lady Michelle Antionette will say "Let them eat cake".

[LordJezo]

no, they got the placebo shot
obama doen't want his kids to die
just everyone else's

At least someone on this board is making some sense.

With the cheerleaders of the country getting paralyzed anyone who gets this shot is mad and it putting their lives on the line for global government.

[TheMojoPin]

At least someone on this board is making some sense.

With the cheerleaders of the country getting paralyzed anyone who gets this shot is mad and it putting their lives on the line for global government.

The Moonwalking cheerleader got the old flu shot.

[furie]

Uh, my wife is pregnant,

congratulations

[underdog]

I keep seeing people sending the video of the girl who had a bad reaction to the flu vaccine (Ron and Fez talked about it on air, as well), and the reaction is always the same, "I'm not getting that (or giving it to my children) because of this video."

Except that you have more of a chance to die from the flu than to get that reaction from the flu shot.

I really hate people sometimes.

[SatCam]

I keep seeing people sending the video of the girl who had a bad reaction to the flu vaccine (Ron and Fez talked about it on air, as well), and the reaction is always the same, "I'm not getting that (or giving it to my children) because of this video."

Except that you have more of a chance to die from the flu than to get that reaction from the flu shot.

I really hate people sometimes.

If you watch the video, she can walk backwards normally and talk normally when she's doing it. Sounds more like a conversation starter than a life sentence to me

[LordJezo]

Don't want your kids to get the swine flu shot?

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/education/2009/10/31/2009-10-31_another_city_student_gets_flu_vaccine_by_mistak e.html

Fuck that, the city is going to give it to them anyway and then say "Oops, sorry, that was a mistake."

They are forcing the vaccine on everyone now, parents can no longer even say no.

[underdog]

Don't want your kids to get the swine flu shot?

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/education/2009/10/31/2009-10-31_another_city_student_gets_flu_vaccine_by_mistak e.html

Fuck that, the city is going to give it to them anyway and then say "Oops, sorry, that was a mistake."

They are forcing the vaccine on everyone now, parents can no longer even say no.

I don't have any children.

[~Katja~]

Don't want your kids to get the swine flu shot?

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/education/2009/10/31/2009-10-31_another_city_student_gets_flu_vaccine_by_mistak e.html

Fuck that, the city is going to give it to them anyway and then say "Oops, sorry, that was a mistake."

They are forcing the vaccine on everyone now, parents can no longer even say no.
it's not going into detail why the kids had no parental permission slip, may have been just forgotten by the parent or the child on the day of the free vaccination.

Seeing how schools are closed and how badly kids suffer through this flu and even the common flu this season I def. wish I could get a free vaccination for my kid. Just the test for swine flu alone was 35 bucks for self pay.

[badmonkey]

it's not going into detail why the kids had no parental permission slip, may have been just forgotten by the parent or the child on the day of the free vaccination.

Seeing how schools are closed and how badly kids suffer through this flu and even the common flu this season I def. wish I could get a free vaccination for my kid. Just the test for swine flu alone was 35 bucks for self pay.

It doesn't matter why the kid didn't have a parental permission slip. No permission slip, no shot. They can't give your child an aspirin without your signature so they damn sure can't give them a flu shot. That's a major fuckup by the school. What if that kid didn't get the permission slip from the parent because they have severe egg allergies? Or what if they'd already had the flu shot the day before?

[~Katja~]

It doesn't matter why the kid didn't have a parental permission slip. No permission slip, no shot. They can't give your child an aspirin without your signature so they damn sure can't give them a flu shot. That's a major fuckup by the school. What if that kid didn't get the permission slip from the parent because they have severe egg allergies? Or what if they'd already had the flu shot the day before?

I understand that, but if the kid got the shot before I am sure they are verbally able to say to the nurse "Hey I just got one of them yesterday".
Of course it is a fuckup on the nurses or administration side (whoever organizes and sends the kid to get the shot... cause I doubt they pin them all down and force them to get one) but I can see how without sufficient support things get messy. It's not like they have to do these kind of mass operations on a daily basis.

[Dude!]

They can't give your child an aspirin without your signature so they damn sure can't give them a flu shot.

minors can get an abortion, though,
without parental consent
in lots of places

it's a fucked up world

[ope]

Don't want your kids to get the swine flu shot?

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/education/2009/10/31/2009-10-31_another_city_student_gets_flu_vaccine_by_mistak e.html

Fuck that, the city is going to give it to them anyway and then say "Oops, sorry, that was a mistake."

They are forcing the vaccine on everyone now, parents can no longer even say no.

Did you eat the pills we provided with your lunch? They are very, very good for you...trust me.

[underdog]

minors can get an abortion, though,
without parental consent
in lots of places

Thank god.

[A.J.]

minors can get an abortion, though,
without parental consent
in lots of places

Thank god.

Indeed. I wish more of them would take advantage of that. It would finally drive the Maury Povich Show off the air.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So 4 people at the Wahabi Woodstock, The Muslim Megafest ended up dying, so does that mean they can not enter heaven?


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091121/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_saudi_hajj_swine_flu_1

[underdog]

So my perfectly healthy driver, who was more fit than certainly any other driver we have here, passed away yesterday due to complications from swine flu.