Is the South more Dangerous, Violent?

[booster11373]

15 Most crime ridden cities in The US

No. 15 Philadelphia, Pa
No. 14 Charlotte, N.C.
No. 13 West Palm Beach, Fla.
No. 12 Baton Rouge, La.
No. 11 New Orleans, La.
No. 10 Baltimore, Md.
No. 9 Nashville, Tenn.
No. 8 Charleston, S.C.
No. 7 Little Rock, Ark.
No. 6 Orlando, Fla.
No. 5 Stockton, Calif.
No. 4 Las Vegas, Nev.
No. 3. Miami, Fla.
No. 2 Memphis, Tenn.
No. 1 Detroit, Mich.

Motown is still King but its good to see the South solidly represented

[HBox]

Where's numbers 11, 8 and 2?

[RAAMONE]

i never understood why cali isnt considered south

[booster11373]

Where's numbers 11, 8 and 2?

fixed

[Dude!]

i wonder what those cities
have in common
that might explain
the high crime rates

all except philly and detroit
have warm climates

i wonder if any other
factors come into play

[underdog]

I would consider Baltimore south, also.

[underdog]

i wonder what those cities
have in common
that might explain
the high crime rates

all except philly and detroit
have warm climates

i wonder if any other
factors come into play

They're poor.

[Farmer Dave]

They're all run by pantywastes?

[Liverspot]

Nashville is not bad, there are a few "bad" spots but the city is a good place. Memphis however is a vile morass of crime, except for the main tourist areas the city is shit. It is in a seismic area however, eventually it will be corrected.

[Crash]

Bill Moyers recently interviewed David Simon, one of the creators of HBO's "The Wire".

I don't know if I agree with everything he says, but he has some fascinating views on the inner city and why things are the way they are.

Interview can be found here...

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04172009/watch.html

[bobstevens4]

We are a hell of a lot more dangerous AND violent than Charleston.:thumbup:

[Serpico1103]

Out of curiosity, how are the gun laws in those states/cities?

[Crispy123]

why don't you come on down & find out?

[Snoogans]

15 Most crime ridden cities in The US

No. 15 Philadelphia, Pa
No. 14 Charlotte, N.C.
No. 13 West Palm Beach, Fla.
No. 12 Baton Rouge, La.
No. 11 New Orleans, La.
No. 10 Baltimore, Md.
No. 9 Nashville, Tenn.
No. 8 Charleston, S.C.
No. 7 Little Rock, Ark.
No. 6 Orlando, Fla.
No. 5 Stockton, Calif.
No. 4 Las Vegas, Nev.
No. 3. Miami, Fla.
No. 2 Memphis, Tenn.
No. 1 Detroit, Mich.

Motown is still King but its good to see the South solidly represented
notice not one of these is in the Awesome 7:
http://www.ronfez.net/gallery//watermark.php?file=4814

[scottinnj]

Where's Camden NJ on this list?

[booster11373]

Where's Camden NJ on this list?

isnt Camden close to Philly?

[Coach]

We always considered Camden part of Philly. it is basically over a bridge..and just as bad.



Did anyone else hear that Confederate Memorial Day is coming up and three states are celebrating it..closing down schools, banks and all gov't offices?
I heard it in the background on the way to work...I couldn't believe it.
Miss is one, I forget the other two.

[scottinnj]

Miss is one, I forget the other two.

I'd bet my paycheck one of the other two is Alabama, and if I was right I'd double down and go for West Virginia as the third one.

[Snoogans]

I'd bet my paycheck one of the other two is Alabama, and if I was right I'd double down and go for West Virginia as the third one.

South Carolina is pretty big about that shit, too

[Snoogans]

although the dates observed are not the same for all, according to Wiki, these are the states that observe Confederate Memorial Day:
Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia

[PapaBear]

They always put little Rebel flags on all of the graves at the Confederate cemetery here on Confederate Memorial Day. I don't think they do anything else, though. It's not a big deal, and I don't see a problem with it.

[PapaBear]

I'd double down and go for West Virginia as the third one.
I doubt that. Though it's full of rednecks, they weren't part of the Confederacy.

[Snoogans]

I doubt that. Though it's full of rednecks, they weren't part of the Confederacy.

Was Pennsylvania?

[Knowledged_one]

I would consider Baltimore south, also.

its pronounced bodymore
bodymore murderland

[PapaBear]

Was Pennsylvania?
That's just weird.

[Snoogans]

That's just weird.

according to what im seeing, West Virginia is considered part of it, though they were part of Virginia then. According to one map I saw, and according to another, it has WV as a place that was part of the Confederacy but never officially left the union

[PapaBear]

according to what im seeing, West Virginia is considered part of it, though they were part of Virginia then. According to one map I saw, and according to another, it has WV as a place that was part of the Confederacy but never officially left the union
They were a part of Virginia that had VERY few slave owners. They didn't really fully support either side. They just kind of got suck in the middle, and became a state because of the war.

[SP1!]

They're poor.
Close, try a little darker......

Out of curiosity, how are the gun laws in those states/cities?
Try looking up which states have the most illegal guns run through them, think of it as just warming them up for when they get up north!

I think they said Georgia's home invasions went down quite a bit in the suburbs when a few potential robbers got shot while trying to bust into homes, all the homeowners were legal gun owners and no charges filed. It was amazing all the yelling because every single one of those shot were minorities, idiots were actually on the TV saying they were targeted because of racist people. There was one old man who stated simply "It was dark and I just aimed for the first one that stuck their head around the hallway, I didnt have enough time to see what color they were."

God politically correct people are stupid.

[Coach]

Close, try a little darker......


Try looking up which states have the most illegal guns run through them, think of it as just warming them up for when they get up north!

I think they said Georgia's home invasions went down quite a bit in the suburbs when a few potential robbers got shot while trying to bust into homes, all the homeowners were legal gun owners and no charges filed. It was amazing all the yelling because every single one of those shot were minorities, idiots were actually on the TV saying they were targeted because of racist people. There was one old man who stated simply "It was dark and I just aimed for the first one that stuck their head around the hallway, I didnt have enough time to see what color they were."

God politically correct people are stupid.
Umm because it gets really fucking hot during the summer?
And the way they were reporting it on the news...Confederacy Memorial day is really important now...with the economy the way it is and states re-stating their right to govern themselves.

[Snoogans]

Umm because it gets really fucking hot during the summer?
And the way they were reporting it on the news...Confederacy Memorial day is really important now...with the economy the way it is and states re-stating their right to govern themselves.

thats what its supposed to mean. Thats NOT why most people celebrate it

[PapaBear]

Umm because it gets really fucking hot during the summer?
And the way they were reporting it on the news...Confederacy Memorial day is really important now...with the economy the way it is and states re-stating their right to govern themselves.
I seriously doubt that's anything more than the "news" stirring up shit for shock value. I have yet to hear a single word about it here.

EDIT: Then again, my state and city voted for Obama.

[Coach]

I seriously doubt that's anything more than the "news" stirring up shit for shock value. I have yet to hear a single word about it here.

EDIT: Then again, my state and city voted for Obama.
well it was NPR ....

[TripleSkeet]

I dont consider Miami or Orlando "South". I know geographically they are but Miami is filled with cubans refugees and people from up North. Orlando is basically tourists from all over.

They dont consider themselves "southerners".

[Snoogans]

I dont consider Miami or Orlando "South". I know geographically they are but Miami is filled with cubans refugees and people from up North. Orlando is basically tourists from all over.

They dont consider themselves "southerners".

he is right here. When I think the south, i dont consider Florida. Its kinda just its own thing. Its the northeast, the south, and then florida. Kinda like how Texas is just its own place.

[PapaBear]

I've lived in Fla twice, and I'm still not convinced it actually exists.

[underdog]

he is right here. When I think the south, i dont consider Florida. Its kinda just its own thing. Its the northeast, the south, and then florida. Kinda like how Texas is just its own place.

Parts of Florida are definitely southern. I think there's just so much northern influence down there that it's not quite Alabama.

[Dude!]

notice not one of these is in the Awesome 7:
http://www.ronfez.net/gallery//watermark.php?file=4814

why didn't you include Maine?
either it should be the awesome 8
or the awesome 7 should drop Delaware
and add Maine

[Snoogans]

why didn't you include Maine?
either it should be the awesome 8
or the awesome 7 should drop Delaware
and add Maine

Deleware isnt in it, ass. Its NJ, part of NY, Ct, RI, Mass, NH, and Vermont

[Dude!]

Deleware isnt in it, ass. Its NJ, part of NY, Ct, RI, Mass, NH, and Vermont


the question was
why isn't maine included

ps it would help
if you'd learn how
to post a picture

(and spell delaware right)
ass

[Snoogans]

the question was
why isn't maine included

ps it would help
if you'd learn how
to post a picture

(and spell delaware right)
ass

cause the majority of Maine sucks. And you said drop delaware, which is no part of it.

who cares. thats the map. I dont make the rules. Just have to live with it

[Serpico1103]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-helmke/americas-gun-laws-how-did_b_165825.html

Link to article and study about evaluation of state gun control laws.
It seems there is a correlation between a lack of gun control and violence.

[MacVittie]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-helmke/americas-gun-laws-how-did_b_165825.html

Link to article and study about evaluation of state gun control laws.
It seems there is a correlation between a lack of gun control and violence.

Tell that to the state of Vermont.

[epo]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-helmke/americas-gun-laws-how-did_b_165825.html

Link to article and study about evaluation of state gun control laws.
It seems there is a correlation between a lack of gun control and violence.

If one would cross reference economically repressed areas with gun laws you'd probably have something.

But I will always point first to the economics.

[Serpico1103]

If one would cross reference economically repressed areas with gun laws you'd probably have something.
But I will always point first to the economics.

Of course socio-economics factors are a major contributing cause. However, the government can not legislate against poverty.
However, it does highlight the need for social programs. Well run social programs will keep you safer than liberal gun ownership laws.

[DarkHippie]

Tell that to the state of Vermont.

no one lives in vermont.

But watch out for that moose on moose violence

[DarkHippie]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-helmke/americas-gun-laws-how-did_b_165825.html

Link to article and study about evaluation of state gun control laws.
It seems there is a correlation between a lack of gun control and violence.

I'm gonna wager that their education systems arent that snazzy either

[MacVittie]

no one lives in vermont.

Tell that to Bill "Spaceman" Lee

[Space Edge]

I dont consider Miami or Orlando "South". I know geographically they are but Miami is filled with cubans refugees and people from up North. Orlando is basically tourists from all over.

They dont consider themselves "southerners".

he is right here. When I think the south, i dont consider Florida. Its kinda just its own thing. Its the northeast, the south, and then florida. Kinda like how Texas is just its own place.

Orlando is most definitely part of the south it's a shit hole once you leave the tourist areas. Central Florida is known for high crime rates, whack job people killing their children and all other sorts of fucked up shit.

[britneypablo]

<font color="deeppink"> i throw really bad a temper tantrums...REALLY BAD

[boosterg]

I just give people the "crazy eyes"

[underdog]

Orlando is most definitely part of the south it's a shit hole once you leave the tourist areas. Central Florida is known for high crime rates, whack job people killing their children and all other sorts of fucked up shit.

My friend moved from Mass to Central Florida in high school and ended up being killed by a serial killer in Central Florida.

[Dude!]

My friend moved from Mass to Central Florida in high school and ended up being killed by a serial killer in Central Florida.

wow
was it the same one
who killed adam walsh?

[underdog]

wow
was it the same one
who killed adam walsh?

I don't think so. I think my friend was killed around 1999 (that year doesn't seem real).

[Coach]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-helmke/americas-gun-laws-how-did_b_165825.html

Link to article and study about evaluation of state gun control laws.
It seems there is a correlation between a lack of gun control and violence.
Didn't click on the link..but I often wonder when I hear about these "studies" what they take into their search criteria. How many of the guns were illegal vs legal? How many of the guns were used in other acts. How many were provoked?....Getting a gun legally may be easy in those areas..but legal guns are expensive, especially handguns. I am always suspect about that argument about lax gun laws for just that reason..a gun that won't blow up in your hand costs at least 200- 300 bucks..people living paycheck to paycheck I think would use that cash to pay bills and feed themselves..not rob a Beer store of 100 bucks. Of course this is just my own opinion and may be nieve.

[Serpico1103]

Didn't click on the link..but I often wonder when I hear about these "studies" what they take into their search criteria. How many of the guns were illegal vs legal? How many of the guns were used in other acts. How many were provoked?....Getting a gun legally may be easy in those areas..but legal guns are expensive, especially handguns. I am always suspect about that argument about lax gun laws for just that reason..a gun that won't blow up in your hand costs at least 200- 300 bucks..people living paycheck to paycheck I think would use that cash to pay bills and feed themselves..not rob a Beer store of 100 bucks. Of course this is just my own opinion and may be nieve.

Of course any study is limited by its parameters. But, I don't think it is a leap of logic to see that lax gun laws allow guns to be bought legally, and then sold illegally.
Having a gun to protect yourself works in your house and in rural areas, not in the city.
Do you want to be on a subway platform when an untrained person pulls out a legal gun to stop a crime he perceives is happening. It just doesn't make sense.

[Coach]

Of course any study is limited by its parameters. But, I don't think it is a leap of logic to see that lax gun laws allow guns to be bought legally, and then sold illegally.
Having a gun to protect yourself works in your house and in rural areas, not in the city.
Do you want to be on a subway platform when an untrained person pulls out a legal gun to stop a crime he perceives is happening. It just doesn't make sense.
But if the gun is sold illegally..the price goes up not down..the seller obviously wants or needs to make a profit..
And I am not familiar with the South...how many places down there have Subways?

[Serpico1103]

But if the gun is sold illegally..the price goes up not down..the seller obviously wants or needs to make a profit..
And I am not familiar with the South...how many places down there have Subways?

I understand that, that is why I said guns in rural areas can be more lax. Except that guns bought there can easily be transported elsewhere.
How do you think criminals get guns? Do you think they a) make them, b) steal them from legal owners, c) buy them from people using loopholes and other schemes, like straw buyers, to buy many guns, and then sell them to criminals.
NYC has very strict gun laws. But, they don't work well because they don't make you go through a metal detector when you enter the city.

[Coach]

I understand that, that is why I said guns in rural areas can be more lax. Except that guns bought there can easily be transported elsewhere.
How do you think criminals get guns? Do you think they a) make them, b) steal them from legal owners, c) buy them from people using loopholes and other schemes, like straw buyers, to buy many guns, and then sell them to criminals.
NYC has very strict gun laws. But, they don't work well because they don't make you go through a metal detector when you enter the city.
D) all of the above.
It is not that hard to improvise a weapon that can shoot bullets once or twice before failure..I remember kids making "guns" in shop class when I was in middle school.
I just want to point out that there are areas with very Lax gun laws that have low gun violence. (and I got this from Aol, so whatever.) Mt. Wy. ND. and Colorado...why? Everyone has guns! People looked at me crosseyed when I lived in Montana and I admitted I didn't have a gun. Even the people I knew to be extremely liberal and PC had guns...
But we are talking about the South here..someplace where racial tensions are still extremely high and it is a bit more rural.

[Serpico1103]

D) all of the above.
It is not that hard to improvise a weapon that can shoot bullets once or twice before failure..I remember kids making "guns" in shop class when I was in middle school.
I just want to point out that there are areas with very Lax gun laws that have low gun violence. (and I got this from Aol, so whatever.) Mt. Wy. ND. and Colorado...why? Everyone has guns! People looked at me crosseyed when I lived in Montana and I admitted I didn't have a gun. Even the people I knew to be extremely liberal and PC had guns...
But we are talking about the South here..someplace where racial tensions are still extremely high and it is a bit more rural.

Making guns? Do you really think any real percentage of crime is committed with a gun made outside of the gun factories? Besides, that was my choice a).

I know there are areas with lax gun laws and low crime rates. But, I think you take a leap when you think there is a causal relationship.

[Space Edge]

My friend moved from Mass to Central Florida in high school and ended up being killed by a serial killer in Central Florida.

I moved to the Orlando area from NY about 4 years ago and ever since I have been here every other week there is a story about a serial killer or some fucked up redneck mother killer her kid or people that disappear and are never heard from again. It's a fucked up place down here. I think there has been 4 major crimes in my area in the past few years that have been nation news.

[Coach]

Making guns? Do you really think any real percentage of crime is committed with a gun made outside of the gun factories? Besides, that was my choice a).

I know there are areas with lax gun laws and low crime rates. But, I think you take a leap when you think there is a causal relationship.
You ever hear of Zip guns? Improvised guns have been around for a long, long, time, and they are used in crimes.

[TripleSkeet]

Parts of Florida are definitely southern. I think there's just so much northern influence down there that it's not quite Alabama.

Funny part is, the parts of Florida that are most southern, are the northern part of the state.

wow
was it the same one
who killed adam walsh?

Adam Walsh wasnt killed in Central Florida. He was killed in Hollywood (South Florida). I know because years later I lived around the corner from the plaza he was kidnapped from. My friends in-laws were actually in the movie theater John Walsh ran into screaming for his son.

[fleshysilo]

I live less than 100 miles from Little Rock and 135 miles from Memphis, in the hills of Arkansas. There are NO "minorities" here and I never lock my doors or take the keys out of my truck, when I lived in and owned a liquor store in West Memphis I had to put a lock and chain on plastic garbage cans or they would be stolen. When I do go to Memphis I always have my .40 cal. within reach.

[Crispy123]

Florida is a fucked up place. It's where people from all over the world come to die, just ask your grandparents or the Dead German Tourists.

[disneyspy]

Florida is a fucked up place. It's where people from all over the world come to die, just ask your grandparents or the Dead German Tourists.

DGT, do ron and fez ever play MAHABONE?

[Ogre]

Of course socio-economics factors are a major contributing cause. However, the government can not legislate against poverty.
However, it does highlight the need for social programs. Well run social programs will keep you safer than liberal gun ownership laws.

How much Kool Aid do you drink ? You can keep your social programs and I will keep my right to protect myself and my property.

[Serpico1103]

How much Kool Aid do you drink ? You can keep your social programs and I will keep my right to protect myself and my property.

By drinking kool-aid I guess you mean reading and analyzing information, instead of having a childish mentality that you need a gun to kill boogie men.

I wish we would have lost the civil war.

[IrishAlkey]

I live less than 100 miles from Little Rock and 135 miles from Memphis, in the hills of Arkansas. There are NO "minorities" here and I never lock my doors or take the keys out of my truck, when I lived in and owned a liquor store in West Memphis I had to put a lock and chain on plastic garbage cans or they would be stolen. When I do go to Memphis I always have my .40 cal. within reach.

I hope those darned minorities know you're itching for a reason to pull the trigger.

[Serpico1103]

I live less than 100 miles from Little Rock and 135 miles from Memphis, in the hills of Arkansas. There are NO "minorities" here and I never lock my doors or take the keys out of my truck, when I lived in and owned a liquor store in West Memphis I had to put a lock and chain on plastic garbage cans or they would be stolen. When I do go to Memphis I always have my .40 cal. within reach.

Did you put "minorities" in quotes to include white trash?

Good luck shooting.

[Ogre]

By drinking kool-aid I guess you mean reading and analyzing information, instead of having a childish mentality that you need a gun to kill boogie men.

I wish we would have lost the civil war.

I am not sure what fairy tale world you live in, but where I live home invasions and armed crimes are very real, and no matter how much you rub your magic lamp and pray to the gods of liberal idealism, crime will always be real. The Federal Government has shown time and time again they are capable of nothing more than patronizing to groups that will keep them in office, ON BOTH SIDES. So talk of social programs and government promises are the BOOGIE MAN as far as I can tell. You are dulusional to think thet Lord Obama and his magic pen can make the world safer. BY THE POWER OF NUMBSKULL!!!.

[Serpico1103]

I am not sure what fairy tale world you live in, but where I live home invasions and armed crimes are very real, and no matter how much you rub your magic lamp and pray to the gods of liberal idealism, crime will always be real. The Federal Government has shown time and time again they are capable of nothing more than patronizing to groups that will keep them in office, ON BOTH SIDES. So talk of social programs and government promises are the BOOGIE MAN as far as I can tell. You are dulusional to think thet Lord Obama and his magic pen can make the world safer. BY THE PWER OF NUMBSKULL!!!.

To make the world safer is a pipe dream? Making the world safe, yes that is impossible. But, to just make it safer is easy.

I hate to burst your paranoid right wing NRA scared little bubble, but home invasions and armed crimes are rare no matter where you live. Sure, they make the news, but that doesn't make them more of a threat. When you bought your car did you buy the safest car? Do you always obey the speed limit? Do you exercise and eat right? Get regular check ups? I know those things don't pack as much bravado as a six shooter, but they will save your life many more times than being armed will. Just admit, you are scared and need the inflated confidence that a gun gives you. Its ok. We all have fears. Just don't overcompensate with tough talk.

Social programs work. That is a fact. Sorry. Yes, they are not perfect, but preventing people from feeling hopeless makes them less likely to break into your castle and steal your Lynyrd Skynard records.

[Ogre]

To make the world safer is a pipe dream? Making the world safe, yes that is impossible. But, to just make it safer is easy.

I hate to burst your paranoid right wing NRA scared little bubble, but home invasions and armed crimes are rare no matter where you live. Sure, they make the news, but that doesn't make them more of a threat. When you bought your car did you buy the safest car? Do you always obey the speed limit? Do you exercise and eat right? Get regular check ups? I know those things don't pack as much bravado as a six shooter, but they will save your life many more times than being armed will. Just admit, you are scared and need the inflated confidence that a gun gives you. Its ok. We all have fears. Just don't overcompensate with tough talk.

Social programs work. That is a fact. Sorry. Yes, they are not perfect, but preventing people from feeling hopeless makes them less likely to break into your castle and steal your Lynyrd Skynard records.

You make alot of assumtions and sterotypical references in your post. That in itself is bigoted. The same type of conclusion jumping, knee jerk redneck you like to paint all gunowners to be. Pretty big hypocritical paint brush you slap around. I thought the left was supposed to accept ALL people of ideologs and beliefs??

[fleshysilo]

Did you put "minorities" in quotes to include white trash?

Good luck shooting.

Sorry if I offended you Hillary, I should have cut to the chase and just said niggers, by the way does your husband post also ?

[Dave's Cackle]

If you haven't seen the old America Undercover: Gang Wars - Bangin' In Little Rock documentary by HBO from the 1990s I HIGHLY recommend it.

[SP1!]

I seriously doubt that's anything more than the "news" stirring up shit for shock value. I have yet to hear a single word about it here.

EDIT: Then again, my state and city voted for Obama.
Ours voted for mccain and I didnt even know the confederate day was even celebrated, there are only certain areas that make it a big deal but it wasnt georgia.

he is right here. When I think the south, i dont consider Florida. Its kinda just its own thing. Its the northeast, the south, and then florida. Kinda like how Texas is just its own place.
Wow, you need to stop that line of thinking, florida has a ton of rednecks in their state, fez's brothers are not an unique they are the norm in florida fucking readneck central down there, fuck they invented jorts in gainesville!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-helmke/americas-gun-laws-how-did_b_165825.html

Link to article and study about evaluation of state gun control laws.
It seems there is a correlation between a lack of gun control and violence.
No, there isnt. I guess if you have total gun control you have zero violence?

Texas has the weakest gun laws, georgia is in the top 5 or 10. It all comes back down to education on gun safety and getting illegal guns off the street, anyone that abides by legal means to acquire firearms are usually not committing crimes with the guns since they are easy to trace.

[Coach]

Texas has the weakest gun laws, georgia is in the top 5 or 10. It all comes back down to education on gun safety and getting illegal guns off the street, anyone that abides by legal means to acquire firearms are usually not committing crimes with the guns since they are easy to trace.Exactly.

[razorboy]

I'm a Florida native. Why don't you come on down and find out if I'm more dangerous or violent?

[CofyCrakCocaine]

You'd think after being on patrol nearly 30 years now that Murphy would've made Detroit safer by now. I mean, who'd want to go up against him after what he did to Clarence and ED?

[TripleSkeet]

I'm a Florida native. Why don't you come on down and find out if I'm more dangerous or violent?

Dont take this the wrong way, but I lived in South Florida for 2 years and I never met more big mouthed pussies in my life. Everyone there talked a big game, but when it came time to put their hands up, they turned into 4 year old girls. Just sayin.

[razorboy]

Dont take this the wrong way, but I lived in South Florida for 2 years and I never met more big mouthed pussies in my life. Everyone there talked a big game, but when it came time to put their hands up, they turned into 4 year old girls. Just sayin.

Just sayin', you've never met me. I'm the nicest guy in the world unless someone wants to start shit.

[Crispy123]

Dont take this the wrong way, but I lived in South Florida for 2 years and I never met more big mouthed pussies in my life. Everyone there talked a big game, but when it came time to put their hands up, they turned into 4 year old girls. Just sayin.

Dont take this the wrong way but when I was stationed in NY in the Marine Corps we would go to NAS Willow Grove quite a bit and we would go out in town & take the chicks away from all the loudmouth blowhards in Philly. There was nuthing but big pussies whether it was on the chicks or the dudes in Philly. Just sayin.

[Crispy123]

I thought the left was supposed to accept ALL people of ideologs and beliefs??

Im sure this isn't the first time you've heard this but you thought wrong.

[Serpico1103]

Sorry if I offended you Hillary, I should have cut to the chase and just said niggers, by the way does your husband post also ?

Wow. How far have we regressed, to the 5th grade?
And, yes, if you meant "niggers" you should have posted "niggers." Embrace your stupidity, don't run from it.


No, there isnt. I guess if you have total gun control you have zero violence?


You guessed wrong. Yes, if you had severe gun control you would have less gun violence. Less guns, means less gun crimes. Simple math. But, you will never get to zero.
So, I posted a study that took many factors into account and seemed to show a correlation, not a perfect one, but a correlation, and your response is a deep and thoughtful, "No, there isn't." Wow, how can I rebut that?
Better question is why bother. Since I am sure you think that being able to buy a gun easily keeps non-criminals safe.

[foodcourtdruide]

Why can't guns be legal, but harder to obtain by criminals and accompanied with laws/programs that prevent accidental deaths? I don't understand why anyone who doesn't believe ak-47's should be available in anonymous vending machines is made out to be anti-gun. Its such a crazy debate.

[Serpico1103]

Why can't guns be legal, but harder to obtain by criminals and accompanied with laws/programs that prevent accidental deaths? I don't understand why anyone who doesn't believe ak-47's should be available in anonymous vending machines is made out to be anti-gun. Its such a crazy debate.

That is roughly my position. I am not for banning guns. Also, I don't think automatic weapons and all the "scary" guns are the problem. Handguns are the problem. They should be legal, but heavily regulated; waiting periods, thorough background checks, limits on number (does anyone need the availability of limitless handguns?), and mandatory training.

Being able to buy a gun easily makes it easy for a criminal to get a gun. Criminals buy guns from unscrupulous people who bought them legally.

[foodcourtdruide]

That is roughly my position. I am not for banning guns. Also, I don't think automatic weapons and all the "scary" guns are the problem. Handguns are the problem. They should be legal, but heavily regulated; waiting periods, thorough background checks, limits on number (does anyone need the availability of limitless handguns?), and mandatory training.

Being able to buy a gun easily makes it easy for a criminal to get a gun. Criminals buy guns from unscrupulous people who bought them legally.

Exactly, and I think that many democrats feel this way about guns. It is this weird false argument that gets made that regulation = make every gun illegal. When that is simply not true at ALL.

[jessicaduh]

Just sayin', you've never met me. I'm the nicest guy in the world unless someone wants to start shit.

eek!

[TripleSkeet]

Dont take this the wrong way but when I was stationed in NY in the Marine Corps we would go to NAS Willow Grove quite a bit and we would go out in town & take the chicks away from all the loudmouth blowhards in Philly. There was nuthing but big pussies whether it was on the chicks or the dudes in Philly. Just sayin.

Im sure you did Adonis. Oh a quick FYI, Willow Grove isnt Philly. At least not to people that are actually from Philly.

Just sayin', you've never met me. I'm the nicest guy in the world unless someone wants to start shit.

I didnt say every guy down there was a pussy, but in the 2 years I lived there I had more people just walk up to me randomly and start shit then any other time of my life.

Funny thing is, Im a pretty big guy that likes to mind his own business and these were complete strangers. Yet every instance ended one of two ways, either there was an offer to go outside, in which the guy promptly shriveled up and left, or they went outside and showed me how tough they were. Hilarity ensued.

[Crispy123]

Im sure you did Adonis. Oh a quick FYI, Willow Grove isnt Philly. At least not to people that are actually from Philly.

Yeah it was pretty hard to get in a cab for the 15 minute ride to downtown Philly. You idiots in PA must just get stuck in the burbs for the rest of your life hunh? Maybe people randomly start shit with you because you're a tool.

[JimBeam]

Dude I lived in Baton Rouge for like 7 years where I was actually a State Trooper for a while and I can't believe it's even closely equivalent to New Orleans w/ regards to crime.

Things sure must've changed in the last 12 years.

Also these stats are probably by population ratios so don't think for a second that there aren't more muggings/rapes/murders in NYC than there are in Baton Rouge.

Actually I'd guess more people were killed in that one shooting in upstate NY than were shot and killed in Baton Rouge this entire year.

[foodcourtdruide]

Dude I lived in Baton Rouge for like 7 years where I was actually a State Trooper for a while and I can't believe it's even closely equivalent to New Orleans w/ regards to crime.

Things sure must've changed in the last 12 years.

Also these stats are probably by population ratios so don't think for a second that there aren't more muggings/rapes/murders in NYC than there are in Baton Rouge.

Actually I'd guess more people were killed in that one shooting in upstate NY than were shot and killed in Baton Rouge this entire year.

This has to be by population ratio, the alternative would make no sense.

Do you think the spike in violence in Baton Rouge could have to do with Katrina? I really have no idea about the area, but that was my initial reaction.

[disneyspy]

you know what they call a dead person in flint michigan?
a southerner,and a speed bump,depends on if you're walkin or drivin

[JimBeam]

Do you think the spike in violence in Baton Rouge could have to do with Katrina? I really have no idea about the area, but that was my initial reaction.

As best as I know it, through friends that still live there, things wouldn't seem bad.

New Orleans was always shakey if you got a few blocks removed from the Quarter but it's my understanding now that the circle around that area has gotten smaller and that places in New Orleans that might have been safe pre-Katrina are no longer safe.

The migration from NO to BR was less than from NO to Houston.

All those gangs supposedly made their way to Texas so how the hell is Houston not on this list ?

[El Mudo]

according to what im seeing, West Virginia is considered part of it, though they were part of Virginia then. According to one map I saw, and according to another, it has WV as a place that was part of the Confederacy but never officially left the union



WV seceded from Virginia...it was one of the first territories liberated by the Federal armies (and what caused George McClellan's star to rise as high as it did).

the Wheeling Conventions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheeling_Convention)

Poor, mountainous, rural areas of the South (like Eastern Tennessee) tended to be STAUNCHLY pro-Union.

[SP1!]

Dont take this the wrong way, but I lived in South Florida for 2 years and I never met more big mouthed pussies in my life. Everyone there talked a big game, but when it came time to put their hands up, they turned into 4 year old girls. Just sayin.
When I traveled all across the country you wouldnt find bigger pussies that those that lived in boston, nj, and around philly. When we were in philly one of my buddies got into it with a tubby guy who was talking shit because we were talking to girls in their group so when he started kicking his ass I started to go after his buddies and they all backed off saying "we arent part of that" I fucking laughed in their faces because they were going to let their friend get his ass kicked and do nothing, if that was me and my buddies either we all got our ass kicked or whoever didnt fight got beat later or was forever known as the pussy of the group. Guidos are the best to fight though, one punch and those nancy boys drop.

You guessed wrong. Yes, if you had severe gun control you would have less gun violence. Less guns, means less gun crimes. Simple math. But, you will never get to zero.
So, I posted a study that took many factors into account and seemed to show a correlation, not a perfect one, but a correlation, and your response is a deep and thoughtful, "No, there isn't." Wow, how can I rebut that?
Better question is why bother. Since I am sure you think that being able to buy a gun easily keeps non-criminals safe.
The problem is you dont have less violence with severe gun control, unless you are an island you will always have guns flowing unless you shut down plants completely and even now there are too many guns to make them illegal or you would just have some other country that would make them for illegal purposes. If you enforce the gun laws currently on our books and make the store owners responsible for inventory a lot of crime could be curtailed. (http://www.neahin.org/programs/schoolsafety/gunsafety/statistics.htm)
Studies show that 1 percent of gun stores sell the weapons traced to 57 percent of gun crimes. According to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF), the dealer that armed the DC area sniper is among this small group of problem gun dealers that "supply the suppliers" who funnel guns to the nation's criminals. (Between 1997 and 2001, guns sold by this dealer were involved in 52 crimes, including homicides, kidnappings and assaults. Still open today, it also can't account for 238 guns or say whether they were stolen, lost or sold, or if their buyers underwent felony-background checks.) As a result, these few gun dealers have a vastly disproportionate impact on public safety. The ATF can recognize such dealers based on: (1) guns stolen from inventory; (2) missing federal sales records, needed by police to solve crimes; (3) having 10 weapons a year traced to crimes; (4) frequently selling multiple guns to individual buyers; and (5) short times between gun sales and their involvement in crimes. Yet ATF enforcement is weak due to a lack of Congressional support and resources. For more details, click here.

The biggest fallacy from gun control nuts is that people just cause crimes with guns and never save themselves or their family, if you practice gun safety and teach your kids about guns you will almost never have any type of accident.

Once again, its about gun education not taking away rights.

[Ogre]

So we have established the following:

Pussies and Pixies have been spotted across the United States.

The NorthEast inhabitants believe they are vastly intellectually superior. That being the case the NorthEast has no use for the rest of the U.S. (other than use thier resources to fuel thier cities and force the rest of the country into Federal Government mandates for thier daily lives)

Not seeing it.

[Serpico1103]

So we have established the following:
Pussies and Pixies have been spotted across the United States.
The NorthEast inhabitants believe they are vastly intellectually superior. That being the case the NorthEast has no use for the rest of the U.S. (other than use thier resources to fuel thier cities and force the rest of the country into Federal Government mandates for thier daily lives)
Not seeing it.

Learn how to spell "their" and we will move onto harder subjects.

[underdog]

The NorthEast inhabitants believe they are vastly intellectually superior. That being the case the NorthEast has no use for the rest of the U.S. (other than use thier resources to fuel thier cities and force the rest of the country into Federal Government mandates for thier daily lives)

Nope, we're as retarded as everyone else.

We're just rich.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Is Pine Ridge considered the South? It's in South Dakota... the murder rate there was 8x that of Detroit in 1975.

[Dude!]

Is Pine Ridge considered the South? It's in South Dakota... the murder rate there was 8x that of Detroit in 1975.

i had to google to find out
WTF you are talking about

damn injuns

[TripleSkeet]

When I traveled all across the country you wouldnt find bigger pussies that those that lived in boston, nj, and around philly. When we were in philly one of my buddies got into it with a tubby guy who was talking shit because we were talking to girls in their group so when he started kicking his ass I started to go after his buddies and they all backed off saying "we arent part of that" I fucking laughed in their faces because they were going to let their friend get his ass kicked and do nothing, if that was me and my buddies either we all got our ass kicked or whoever didnt fight got beat later or was forever known as the pussy of the group. Guidos are the best to fight though, one punch and those nancy boys drop.


I have to tell you this story sounds so true I could never doubt it. Im pretty sure Ive heard the exact same story 4 different times from guys in Jersey.

Sounds like the same stories as the guys that came to Vet Stadium dressed in Giants (Redskins, Cowboys, etc.) gear and fucked up the Philly fans because they didnt take any shit. Those stories are about as true as the mexican sewer rat that was mistaken for a dog.

[SP1!]

I have to tell you this story sounds so true I could never doubt it. Im pretty sure Ive heard the exact same story 4 different times from guys in Jersey.

Sounds like the same stories as the guys that came to Vet Stadium dressed in Giants (Redskins, Cowboys, etc.) gear and fucked up the Philly fans because they didnt take any shit. Those stories are about as true as the mexican sewer rat that was mistaken for a dog.
Yeah they are braver when there are 60k around, but in small clusters they are pussies.

But Im sure in your neighborhood its completely different though and everyone is tough as nails.

[hammersavage]

I have to tell you this story sounds so true I could never doubt it. Im pretty sure Ive heard the exact same story 4 different times from guys in Jersey.

Sounds like the same stories as the guys that came to Vet Stadium dressed in Giants (Redskins, Cowboys, etc.) gear and fucked up the Philly fans because they didnt take any shit. Those stories are about as true as the mexican sewer rat that was mistaken for a dog.

Seriously, that happened to a friend of my cousin.

[boosterp]

As best as I know it, through friends that still live there, things wouldn't seem bad.

New Orleans was always shakey if you got a few blocks removed from the Quarter but it's my understanding now that the circle around that area has gotten smaller and that places in New Orleans that might have been safe pre-Katrina are no longer safe.

The migration from NO to BR was less than from NO to Houston.

All those gangs supposedly made their way to Texas so how the hell is Houston not on this list ?

NO still has some of the most dangerous gang activity in the nation. After Katrina they moved here but quickly learned that our laws and police were tougher than those they faced back home so they moved back to NO. NO is still one of the deadliest places to live in the US.

[CountryBob]

If things dont change soon, the most violent place in the country is going to be in a 100 mile radius where KY, WV, VA and TN meet. Prescription drug abuse is destroying this rural area and you are a marked man if word gets out that you have recently went to the dentist or broke a leg.

BTW... I am glad that I can carry a gun and I am not scared of society or waiting on some home invasion. It is nice to know that if someone threatens me or my family I have a way to control the situation. Most of the time i shoot targets.

[Dude!]

If things dont change soon, the most violent place in the country is going to be in a 100 mile radius where KY, WV, VA and TN meet. Prescription drug abuse is destroying this rural area and you are a marked man if word gets out that you have recently went to the dentist or broke a leg.

BTW... I am glad that I can carry a gun and I am not scared of society or waiting on some home invasion. It is nice to know that if someone threatens me or my family I have a way to control the situation. Most of the time i shoot targets.

wow
is that really true?

[CountryBob]

Of course, this is not happening everytime but I know many people that have been robbed, shot, beat up and terrorized for their Oxy's and Perc's. In these small communities, there is a large percentage of the population hooked on these pills and the majority will do anything to get them. It has ruined lives and families and keeps getting worse. The recent down-turn of the mining industry is only going to fuel this fire as many miners have been laid off and no jobs are available. Just the other day the local newspaper ran an article showing over 20 doctors and helathcare employees that have been arrested for selling, abusing or falsly writing prescriptions for pain killers. One local sherrif has been arrested for selling drugs. The people of alot of these rural areas are hard working -God fearing neighbors but they are evolving into drug abusing criminals who will steal and even murder family members just to get high.

[Coach]

wow
is that really true?
Yeah..for some reason, and from what I have seen firsthand only...drugs come in really quick to areas of sudden high unemployment. Happened in Johnstown when the steel left, Scranton when the coal left, Wilkes Barre when Steel and Coal left, and Asbury Park when the tourism left (Although drugs can be debated as causing the tourism to leave.)

[disneyspy]

i'll solve this for you people,no the south isnt more violent,unless you're talkin about southeast michigan,the area has lead the country in murders for decades,the michigan DOC is the largest in the country and the state spends more of its budget on prisons than any other state,as snoogans would say the rest of you are pussies compared to that area,quit bein pussies you fuckin pussies

[Serpico1103]

It appears that SP1 and tripleskeet are traveling across the country kicking everyone's ass. We should make a movie about it, maybe throw in a tough old lady and an orangutan.

[underdog]

It appears that SP1 and tripleskeet are traveling across the country kicking everyone's ass. We should make a movie about it, maybe throw in a tough old lady and an orangutan.

I travel the world and get my ass kicked.

[disneyspy]

It appears that SP1 and tripleskeet are traveling across the country kicking everyone's ass. We should make a movie about it, maybe throw in a tough old lady and an orangutan.

do you really think we can get fez and dave?

[razorboy]

I travel the world and get my ass kicked.

You travel the world and get ignored.

[Serpico1103]

do you really think we can get fez and dave?

I said "tough."

[zildjian361]

they shot a guy that beat a murder rap two day's after he came home inthe fuckin head at 3 in the afternoon in Jersey city. two guys i work with knew him.just last week ,cause the loved the dude he killed.

[ToiletCrusher]

they shot a guy that beat a murder rap two day's after he came home inthe fuckin head at 3 in the afternoon in Jersey city. two guys i work with knew him.just last week ,cause the loved the dude he killed.

so the south does suck.

[underdog]

You travel the world and get ignored.

It's not funny because it's true.

[razorboy]

What the hell was that?

[TripleSkeet]

But Im sure in your neighborhood its completely different though and everyone is tough as nails.


Not at all. The difference the ones that cant fight and know it dont mouth off to strangers. Especially if there is no reason for any kind of argument. That was what blew my mind about South Florida. Im not saying people from there cant handle themselves, but it seems like the ones that could always minded their own business and didnt start trouble.

I actually had a guy come up to me in a bar and tell me "You need to leave." when I asked him why he said because he wanted me to leave, thats why. A guy Ive never seen. When I said "Ok lets go outside" he looked at me puzzled. I asked him if wanted to fight me outside and he said "No, I just want you to leave. Im not looking for a fight." I literally just sat there in shock looking for a fucking hidden camera before I told him to get lost. I just didnt understand how shit worked down there.


NO still has some of the most dangerous gang activity in the nation. After Katrina they moved here but quickly learned that our laws and police were tougher than those they faced back home so they moved back to NO. NO is still one of the deadliest places to live in the US.

NO is fucking crazy. Theyll cut your throat for a nickel down there.

[scottinnj]

NO is fucking crazy. Theyll cut your throat for a nickel down there.

You're adjusting for inflation, aren't you?

[SP1!]

It appears that SP1 and tripleskeet are traveling across the country kicking everyone's ass. We should make a movie about it, maybe throw in a tough old lady and an orangutan.
Oh no, I have rarely kicked ass. I have had to defend myself a few times but mostly I stick to my own beer while traveling, the midwest was the most fun and friendly with hot chicks, boston had some of the ugliest women ever, I was glad to get out of there.

Not at all. The difference the ones that cant fight and know it dont mouth off to strangers. Especially if there is no reason for any kind of argument. That was what blew my mind about South Florida. Im not saying people from there cant handle themselves, but it seems like the ones that could always minded their own business and didnt start trouble.

I actually had a guy come up to me in a bar and tell me "You need to leave." when I asked him why he said because he wanted me to leave, thats why. A guy Ive never seen. When I said "Ok lets go outside" he looked at me puzzled. I asked him if wanted to fight me outside and he said "No, I just want you to leave. Im not looking for a fight." I literally just sat there in shock looking for a fucking hidden camera before I told him to get lost. I just didnt understand how shit worked down there.

Then hes the dumbass, you dont tell someone to leave unless you are willing to grab the guy by the throat and throw him out of the bar, and if he didnt drag you outside then hes the pussy but then again in some areas of florida that wouldnt surprise me. Florida rednecks are fucking weak, its a blight on the white community actually.

[Ogre]

Learn how to spell "their" and we will move onto harder subjects.

You are self righteous little snot aren't you?

[Serpico1103]

You are (a) self righteous little snot(,) aren't you?

So, you didn't find the humor in my correcting the spelling in your post; a post that noted how Northeasterners think they are intelligent.

[Dude!]

You are self righteous little snot aren't you?

yes
yes he is

very dismissive

the kind of kid
who in grade school
continually got the crap
beat out of him