Attn Photographers: G10 or SX10?

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm in the market for a more compact camera so I don't have to lug my entire SLR kit around. I want a canon with a hotshoe so I can use my speedlight in darker situations.

So I boiled it down between the G10 and SX10 from Canon. DPreview says that the G10 takes better pictures, but the SX10 has an incredible zoom feature.

I know the new girl from Alaska has a G10.. Katja? Rich? Anyone? Help!

[Ritalin]

I test drove a friend's new G10 and really liked it. To me it's the perfect compromise between a straight point and shoot and the SLR setup.

It's just too big to stick in your front pocket and go, but I'd trade my Lumix point and shoot straight up for it.

Nice looking files, too.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I test drove a friend's new G10 and really liked it. To me it's the perfect compromise between a straight point and shoot and the SLR setup.

It's just too big to stick in your front pocket and go, but I'd trade my Lumix point and shoot straight up for it.

Nice looking files, too.

Yeah, I'm really attracted to the G10, but the zoom on the SX10 is apparently insane. This is why I'm torn.

[Death Metal Moe]

I haven't played with either one. The only thing I can add is I have a Fuji camera that is the same design as the SX10 and it's amazing. It took the clearest pictures I've ever taken and the I was amazed at the quality I got on full zoom. Not sure if that helps, but if it's a design thing then the SX10 may be the way to go.

Is there anywhere you can actually go and pick these things up, even if you end up ordering on line anyway?

[JerseyRich]

G10

Lock it up.

[ToiletCrusher]

G10

Lock it up.

camera knowing pretty boy!!

(very pretty)

[~Katja~]

personally I would go with the g10.

if you really want that kid of a zoom you would most likely bring your slr and the appropriate lens anyway and achieve results that beat this camera by far. Let's face it in most cases the camera is not the weight issue but the lens.

[JerseyRich]

camera knowing pretty boy!!

(very pretty)

I'll know the hell out of it.

Over and over.:smoke:

[~Katja~]

G10

Lock it up.

some nerd beat me to it... and is right!

[Tenbatsuzen]

I haven't played with either one. The only thing I can add is I have a Fuji camera that is the same design as the SX10 and it's amazing. It took the clearest pictures I've ever taken and the I was amazed at the quality I got on full zoom. Not sure if that helps, but if it's a design thing then the SX10 may be the way to go.

Is there anywhere you can actually go and pick these things up, even if you end up ordering on line anyway?

Abes of Maine in Edison, Jersey Camera in Green Brook, or B&H in the city.

[Tenbatsuzen]

G10

Lock it up.

Thanks, Beardo.

[~Katja~]

Thanks, Beardo.

you are welcome, and I don't have a beard!:furious::devil2:

[JerseyRich]

Abes of Maine in Edison, Jersey Camera in Green Brook, or B&H in the city.

B&H. Stay away from the others.

Trust me. The rest of them.Shylocks.

[~Katja~]

B&H. Stay away from the others.

Trust me. The rest of them.Shylocks.

he said to try out, not to buy at.

I often use Calumet and have had great experiences wit ecost but that depends on the model.

[JerseyRich]

he said to try out, not to buy at.

I often use Calumet and have had great experiences wit ecost but that depends on the model.

If you're in the city already...just go to B&H. Calumet is ok too.

You can always go to Brooklyn as well. I hear they have lots of store there.

[Tenbatsuzen]

B&H. Stay away from the others.

Trust me. The rest of them. Jews.

Fixed.

[smiler grogan]

last year I got the G9 after a photographer friend recommended it to me and I'm still blown away from it. I played with a G10 recently and damn if I didn't want to get it As far as the other camera i never played with one so I can't say.

[underdog]

Fixed.

Aren't B&H the Jews?

[JerseyRich]

Aren't B&H the Jews?

Yes. Matty was confused for a second.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Yes. Matty was confused for a second.

They're the "good" Jews. "Clean" Jews.

[~Katja~]

as long as you never buy a packaged deal.. a kit... and know your facts you are fine with any jew out there... canon is awesome at honoring warranties! Just don't let anybody ever suck you in to buying the "professional" upgraded model...

:wacko:

[underdog]

Yes. Matty was confused for a second.

When I was in NYC, we drank across the street from B&H and it seemed unmistakeably Jewish over there.

[Tenbatsuzen]

When I was in NYC, we drank across the street from B&H and it seemed unmistakeably Jewish over there.

You're in NYC. EVERYWHERE is unmistakably Jewish.

[underdog]

You're in NYC. EVERYWHERE is unmistakably Jewish.

Good point, sir.

[Marc with a c]

b&h is a little weird.

g10 no doubt matty

[Ritalin]

They're the "good" Jews. "Clean" Jews.

The clean Jews? I guess you've never been before. That place is a dandruff factory, and they have pieces of food in their beards from the 80s.

The other thing about B & H, adorama et al? Check the website before you go make sure it's open. They close for every every every Jewish holiday. It sucks to get al the way down there and it's closed on a Tuesday for b'Asht'toblorone El.

[Freitag]

OK, let me ask this.

Everyone has said G10 but no one has given me a reason why the G10 is superior. I'm a guy who doesn't get really artistic with his photographs, I mainly am more of a framing/content guy. I use AUTO a lot but I am experimenting with other modes when the mood strikes me. This stems mainly from the photography classes I tried to take were filled with seniors learning how to turn a camera on and download pictures, not actually artistic content.

[JerseyRich]

The g10 has a metal case. Has lots of pro-feel to it, and many modes for you to really make some great images with. Has a huge LCD screen and just feels more solid in your hands.

The SX10 feels very cheap and plastic. Just not really what I'm into.

[underdog]

...feels very cheap and plastic. Just not really what I'm into.

Why do you feel the need to fill this board with lies?

[Freitag]

The g10 has a metal case. Has lots of pro-feel to it, and many modes for you to really make some great images with. Has a huge LCD screen and just feels more solid in your hands.

The SX10 feels very cheap and plastic. Just not really what I'm into.

I hear ya. It's just that one of my favorite pictures I took was because I had a big zoom capability, something the G10 doesn't offer.

I guess I have to feel them myself to see how they are ergonomically.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I reviewed both cameras at my local Best Buy today.

I can see where Rich is saying that the G10 is made of metal and the SX10 has a plastic feel to it.

However, I reviewed them a couple of times, and I had these other conclusions:

The SX10 has a "hump" grip like my old point-and-shoot. The G10 has a flat-front. This will lead to a problem because I have gigantic hands.

The SX10's LCD swivels, the G10 does not. This means that the G10 will have major greasy-screen issues, something I don't like AT ALL.

Ergonomically, the SX10 fits my hands a lot better than the G10....

The SX10 also takes regular AA batteries. The G10 uses a proprietary battery.

I'm really leaning hard towards the SX10 at this point.

[~Katja~]

wow, are you kidding about the battery?
any rechargeable battery is a million times better than a AA
greasy screen.. most P&S's you use the screen rather than the view finder anyway, what's the point of the whole swivel design if you don't use it? get a cheap screen protector and replace it often. Don't rely on your replay for the quality of the image, screen resolution usually does not match actual res by far , trust your ability.

If you are truly looking for portability and grip over ability to use adapters for lenses and other features just get a true P&S and use your flash and lenses for the actual SLR.

[Tenbatsuzen]

wow, are you kidding about the battery?
any rechargeable battery is a million times better than a AA

I've run out of juice on two occasions with a proprietary battery. With no backup, I had to rely on a disposable camera to get pics. That's why I prefer the AA design. I'd use rechargeable AAs, but in a pinch, I can get juice if I need it rather easily.



If you are truly looking for portability and grip over ability to use adapters for lenses and other features just get a true P&S and use your flash and lenses for the actual SLR.

The only one that comes close to what I want is the A630, which is 300 bucks. For 50 more, I can have the SX10.

[~Katja~]

buy a back up battery for under 30 bucks.. cheaper than any AA replacement after the 4th time you use it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

buy a back up battery for under 30 bucks.. cheaper than any AA replacement after the 4th time you use it.

I already have rechargable AA's.

[~Katja~]

I already have rechargable AA's.

not the same at all. I have had plenty of canon P&S's
The first thing to go after the warranty period is battery life. (rechargeable or not)

[Tenbatsuzen]

So on my way down to Baltimore, I picked up the SX10 from Best Buy. They price matched B&H's price and I got no sales tax to boot in Delaware.

Here's one of the pics I took tonight: this was full auto, didn't have a chance to fuck around with the modes yet:

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/3271/img0045large.jpg

BTW. this pic was taken from the outfield on the field level. I'm not shitting you.

20x zoom rules.

[weekapaugjz]

that's fucking nice! i may know what im gonna get when i have to get a new camera.

[Tenbatsuzen]

that's fucking nice! i may know what im gonna get when i have to get a new camera.

The SX10 has a designation as "soccer mom" camera but I really don't mind. Everyone who saw my pics tonight loved them. The zoom is really good, and I can't wait to really play around with it at Yankee Stadium next week.

[weekapaugjz]

The SX10 has a designation as "soccer mom" camera but I really don't mind. Everyone who saw my pics tonight loved them. The zoom is really good, and I can't wait to really play around with it at Yankee Stadium next week.

i don't know shit about photography. anytime anyone tries to explain it to me, i always forget. i just want something that takes great photos with little hassle. i really like the nikon i have now, but it takes nowhere near that crisp of photo.

[PapaBear]

i don't know shit about photography. anytime anyone tries to explain it to me, i always forget. i just want something that takes great photos with little hassle. i really like the fuji i have now, but it takes nowhere near that crisp of photo.
Soccer Mom

[weekapaugjz]

Soccer Mom

i've been called worse.

[Ritalin]

So on my way down to Baltimore, I picked up the SX10 from Best Buy. They price matched B&H's price and I got no sales tax to boot in Delaware.

Here's one of the pics I took tonight: this was full auto, didn't have a chance to fuck around with the modes yet:

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/3271/img0045large.jpg

BTW. this pic was taken from the outfield on the field level. I'm not shitting you.

20x zoom rules.

fixed

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/ritalin3g/img0045large2.jpg

[Tenbatsuzen]

fixed

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/ritalin3g/img0045large2.jpg

What did you do besides crop it and color correct it?

[~Katja~]

What did you do besides crop it and color correct it?

crop? looks like contrast and saturation... but not crop

[JerseyRich]

fixed

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/ritalin3g/img0045large2.jpg


I would hardly call that "fixed."

[styckx]

Is that the grammar nazi equivalent of photography?

[JerseyRich]

Is that the grammar nazi equivalent of photography?


Yes. hehe.

I'm contrary Rich today.

[styckx]

20x zoom from a ball game. It's a damn decent snapshot. I can't see setting up a tripod and adjusting manual settings going over well in that environment.

[~Katja~]

20x zoom from a ball game. It's a damn decent snapshot. I can't see setting up a tripod and adjusting manual settings going over well in that environment.

don't insult matty


and yes you could set that up... with a 20x zoom I doubt IS will take care of the image entirely.
he most likely rested/ stabilized the camera in addition.



btw matty, does the camera not use full resolution in auto mode?

# Related Image Width = 2816 pixels
# Related Image Length = 2112 pixels

seems low.

[styckx]

don't insult matty


and yes you could set that up... with a 20x zoom I doubt IS will take care of the image entirely.
he most likely rested/ stabilized the camera in addition.



btw matty, does the camera not use full resolution in auto mode?



seems low.

I don't insult peoples photography. BTW more people should post their shots in the photography thread in off topic. Love looking at other peoples work. I've been geeking out for 3 days in a row now that I can shoot again.

Oh and CHDK rules

[boosterp]

I favor the SX10 for the insane optical zoom.

Both have the same image processor, the sx10 has 2 effective mps less but this does not matter as much in today's printing.

The G10 has a few more options for the power photographer and comes with rechargeable batteries.

[~Katja~]

I favor the SX10 for the insane optical zoom.

Both have the same image processor, the sx10 has 2 effective mps less but this does not matter as much in today's printing.

The G10 has a few more options for the power photographer and comes with rechargeable batteries.

I am curious as to what type of photos would require you to use that "insane" zoom on a very frequent basis?
They are capable of much more than zoom...

[styckx]

If you watch enough shitty youtube videos, you'll learn to hate zoom with a passion.

[boosterp]

I am curious as to what type of photos would require you to use that "insane" zoom on a very frequent basis?
They are capable of much more than zoom...

I love the optical zoom primarily when I travel to Mexico. Whether it is capturing wildlife, scenery, or from a boat it comes in handy. And, it is much more portable than my Nikon or Minolta film SLRs. I do on occasion use a tripod.

I have a really nice Fuji point and shoot but the optical on it is only 3x.

[Ritalin]

What did you do besides crop it and color correct it?

No cropping. Just color saturation and I nudged the curves a little bit for contrast.

crop? looks like contrast and saturation... but not crop

Nice. I also sharpened it.

I would hardly call that "fixed."

Snob.

[Tenbatsuzen]

don't insult matty


and yes you could set that up... with a 20x zoom I doubt IS will take care of the image entirely.
he most likely rested/ stabilized the camera in addition.



btw matty, does the camera not use full resolution in auto mode?



seems low.


I reduced the resolution a bit; I'll probably set it back up to full later. I was still playing with the options. Back in the day I used to set it at M2 because the pics were being used for a website and had to be a certain size. I never grew out of that.

And for what it's worth, there was no tripod, no nothing. That picture was taken from a sitting position from the top row of section 60 at Camden Yards. Two hands, one on the grip, the other on the lens barrel.

Also, the camera was less than 24 hours old when these pics were taken, I literally bought it on the way to Baltimore and didn't take it out of the box until Saturday morning.

I'll post some more shots later, I've had a long-ass weekend and I'm beat.

[Tenbatsuzen]

No cropping. Just color saturation and I nudged the curves a little bit for contrast.



Nice. I also sharpened it.

.

I didn't mean "crop", I meant re-size. Your revision is smaller in size than the pic I originally posted.

I appreciate the revision. That's one thing, the SLR didn't really require that much play in photoshop.

I will take more pics this weekend at Yankee Stadium. I will play with modes a little more this weekend.

One thing about the SX10.... it's not a true viewfinder, it's just a replay of what's on the LCD. i thought it was a "true" vision viewfinder.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I am curious as to what type of photos would require you to use that "insane" zoom on a very frequent basis?
They are capable of much more than zoom...

Sports events, for one. I take a lot of pics at sporting events, hence why this is called a "soccer mom" camera... if you're standings on the sidelines, you'll get a shot like you're on the field.

Also, Nature pics, if you're birdwatching or something similar.

[styckx]

And for what it's worth, there was no tripod, no nothing. That picture was taken from a sitting position from the top row of section 60 at Camden Yards. Two hands, one on the grip, the other on the lens barrel.


Again, good shot @ 20x zoom w/ no tripod or support.

[JerseyRich]

Matty.

That shot is a great example of the IS abilities with these P&S cameras nowadays. Can't wait to see some shots from Yankee Stadium.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Also - I think one of the reasons why the pics came out so good is because I still had the natural light + all the stadium lights. I don't think there's a chance in hell you get that good a shot without all the stadium lights.

Mind you, there are a lot of poor or grainy shots I got, but c'est la vie. My opinion in picture taking is to get five to ten good shots of one experience. If you have five to ten good shots, that plus your memories will be enough to tell a story.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Matty.

That shot is a great example of the IS abilities with these P&S cameras nowadays. Can't wait to see some shots from Yankee Stadium.

thanks. here's some other pics, I need to review to see what's really good. I like the Swisher on-base shot.... The "warm-up" pics is when I was still playing with the camera to see what it could do. The Eiland/CC pic was at max zoom with digital zoom, and I can see there's a lot of graininess. Also, the Camden Yards shot shows the limitation of the viewfinder. In the SLR, it lines up perfectly. Not so much in the LCD viewfinder. Melky's shot is grainy too, but that was a max-zoom too, with the digital zoom on.

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/296/img0063large.jpg
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/7177/img0007large.jpg
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4961/img0019large.jpg
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3041/img0028large.jpg
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1540/img0034large.jpg
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4356/img0042large.jpg
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/8400/img0046large.jpg
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/3083/img0055large.jpg

[styckx]

Also - I think one of the reasons why the pics came out so good is because I still had the natural light + all the stadium lights. I don't think there's a chance in hell you get that good a shot without all the stadium lights.

Mind you, there are a lot of poor or grainy shots I got, but c'est la vie. My opinion in picture taking is to get five to ten good shots of one experience. If you have five to ten good shots, that plus your memories will be enough to tell a story.

Yup. 15 good shots, and about 30 throw aways. Grateful I learned film SLR before moving to digital. You could go through a roll of film and end up liking two shots. So taking 100 shots and walking away with 20 or so good ones isn't so disappointing. The LCD displays are nice, but you honestly cant depend on it for shit except exposure really, and even that's sketchy.

[Tenbatsuzen]

BTW, these photos were shrunk in MS's photo gadget for ease of posting on the board. That's why you may notice some artifacts and other issues.

There are full-size versions, but I won't post them due to size.

[Stuft]

thanks. here's some other pics, I need to review to see what's really good. I like the Swisher on-base shot.... The "warm-up" pics is when I was still playing with the camera to see what it could do. The Eiland/CC pic was at max zoom with digital zoom, and I can see there's a lot of graininess. Also, the Camden Yards shot shows the limitation of the viewfinder. In the SLR, it lines up perfectly. Not so much in the LCD viewfinder. Melky's shot is grainy too, but that was a max-zoom too, with the digital zoom on.

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/296/img0063large.jpg


What a great pic! I like it the best outta the bunch. Thanks for sharing.

[Ritalin]

Also - I think one of the reasons why the pics came out so good is because I still had the natural light + all the stadium lights. I don't think there's a chance in hell you get that good a shot without all the stadium lights.

Mind you, there are a lot of poor or grainy shots I got, but c'est la vie. My opinion in picture taking is to get five to ten good shots of one experience. If you have five to ten good shots, that plus your memories will be enough to tell a story.

QFT! That's the one thing I tell people who ask me for tips on photography. Shoot a lot of frames. You like the shots I showed you? Well, I've got a hundred of them that I edited and threw away. It's digital. Shoot and shoot and shoot. Doesn't cost anything. Eventually practice and experience will raise your success ratio, but I toss out a ton of frames.

And I was just goofing around with that shot of yours. I think it's a pretty nice shot and I just tweaked it. I like seeing the Oriole coaches lounging around on the bench during the AB.

And considering the zoom it was pretty damn crisp.

[Freitag]

QFT! That's the one thing I tell people who ask me for tips on photography. Shoot a lot of frames. You like the shots I showed you? Well, I've got a hundred of them that I edited and threw away. It's digital. Shoot and shoot and shoot. Doesn't cost anything. Eventually practice and experience will raise your success ratio, but I toss out a ton of frames.

And I was just goofing around with that shot of yours. I think it's a pretty nice shot and I just tweaked it. I like seeing the Oriole coaches lounging around on the bench during the AB.

And considering the zoom it was pretty damn crisp.

Funny story about this - with all the shots from the wedding, there was a group shot of the entire party that was FANTASTIC - outside of one of the bridesmaids who had a somewhat sour look on her face. It detracted from the entire picture.

Well, there was another shot taken a few seconds earlier that was so-so but the aforementioned person was smiling and looked pretty good..

So I spent a few minutes in photoshop and swapped out the heads. It turned it into the perfect picture. I was very happy with how that turned out. My wedding photographer was impressed with my photoshop kung-fu.