Is Ron too hard on Fez?

[drjoek]

First off I am not trying to start a bash Fez thread.
Second I recognize that Ron and Fez are partners and that Ron knows more about Fez and his problems than I do as a listener.
Third I'm just asking this out of curiosity to how others feel and I'm not making suggestions about anything.

So here goes as Fez clearly is completely dedicated to Ron and loves him like a brother. I dare say he is closer to Ron than anyone else in the world. I see that a lot of what goes on is for the laughs of this show and I have no idea how they interact off the air. But from what I can tell Fez tries to take to heart everything Ron says.
So here's the thing. Ron contstantly berates insults and derides every aspect of Fez at every opportunity. How can you expect this not to have a negative effect on his already fragile self esteem? I know that it is meant to help Fez (I guess) but to me it has got to be contributing to Fez's struggles. Ron in a lot of ways acts and sounds like the Mother figure that Fez has said is the source of a lot of his problems.
I'm not saying Ron needs to coddle Fez but I think the amount of "anticoddling" that occurs is a factor. I had a bully brother who road my youngest brother unmercifully as I see Ron doing to Fez. He was not nearly as sensitive as Fez and I know they have a strained relationship. Any one else agree? Disagree ?

I put it in the That's life Forum so it doesn't turn into a bash thread. If it does please have a mod lock it

[nocountryjon1]

Youre joking right? He berates everybody i think dave more than fez to be honest. Fez can handle it and its just for jokes man. Out of everybody you can tell that ronnie does care about fez the most. So no.

[Kublakhan61]

Ron might crush poor Fez Whatley on the air but have you ever heard him interact with Todd Hillard?

[nocountryjon1]

Ron might crush poor Fez Whatley on the air but have you ever heard him interact with Todd Hillard?



EXACTLY.

[WampusCrandle]

it's almost like a "rain man" relationship

[Death Metal Moe]

you said "Hard On."


Uh huh huh.

[beachbum]

Ron definately has a whole passive aggressive thing going on.He probably does pick on Dave more,rightfully so,but Fez takes it worse.I'm sure that he knows what he's doing though and he is truly to be commended for putting up with all of the shit he's had to go through since Fez has hit his rough patch.

Thankfully Fez seems to be clawing his way back to top form.He seems sooo much happier and more involved lately.

[DOHO@HOME]

That is one of the reasons I love the show and cannot get enough of the bashing.
I now do it with friends and we all love it.
If the bashing stopped it would not be the show I tune into for three hour laughs.
so keep on bashing it's healthy.:thumbup:

[ToiletCrusher]

wrong forum fucko.

[drjoek]

wrong forum fucko.



Read my post, creepy but not creepy enough

[ToiletCrusher]

Read my post, creepy but not creepy enough

Where didn't yo read that I was going to apathetic towards the tourney?

btw... happy cinco de mayo

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[FezsAssistant]

Fez should stick up for himself at least once in a while. There are plenty of times when Ron doesn't get Fez's jokes, then berates him for being dumb. Funny lines, but Ron was probably too busy staring at middle aged women on PalTalk to get the joke. He could fight back about some hipocrasies as well (weight, eating issues, show prep).

[ADF]

I don't see how anyone could be too hard for Fez. Oh wait.. hard on Fez. Nevermind.

[mstanny15]

Ron is not to hard on Fez. Fez is always making everything about him. He practically begs to be abused by Ron. Nothing that Ron says to or about Fez is incorrect or intentionally hurtful. I couldn't imagine having a friend like fez. It has got to be exhausting to keep dealing with a whining pussy day in day out. If Ron was going to far, Fez probably wouldn't keep bringing up all of his problems. Don't get me wrong I love what Fez brings to the show I just think that he is like a small child and needs the negative energy to survive.

[West.Coast.Skippy]

i guess it's impossible for us to say. i'm not sure even fez could give an unqualified answer to this question! but my gut instinct screams 'yes'. at the same time, i think ron has been hilarious the last couple months... it's just been dotted with this really dysfunctional vibe that it seems the forum is tuned into, given all the similar threads.

[Dell]

I feel most of it is Ron's way to prod Fez to assert himself more on-air... i think it has worked to some degree but Fez is still not back to his old form... Fez used to throw some stinging retorts to any perceived attack... not sure it is the best way to approach it, but I hope so

[watson]

until Fez defends himself on this thread, then no Ron is not too hard on Fez, in fact Ron needs to bash Fez further, especially for that asshole move of doing a live commercial right after the music fiasco during todays show

fuck fez, and fuck dave

[The Ogre]

Fez should stick up for himself at least once in a while. There are plenty of times when Ron doesn't get Fez's jokes, then berates him for being dumb. Funny lines, but Ron was probably too busy staring at middle aged women on PalTalk to get the joke. He could fight back about some hipocrasies as well (weight, eating issues, show prep).


Well shit. I was all ready with a post when I thought to myself, "Hey wouldn't it be something to read all the posts in this thread before adding one?".

So I did and saw that you already said what I would have. And with a lot less cursing.

[drjoek]

until Fez defends himself on this thread, then no Ron is not too hard on Fez, in fact Ron needs to bash Fez further, especially for that asshole move of doing a live commercial right after the music fiasco during todays show

fuck fez, and fuck dave

Thankd for respecting the Forum
and reading my request to not turn this into a bash thread
:annoyed:

[Gvac]

I think Ron's frustration is very real at times, and certainly understandable.

[CHUCKWAGONCOOK]

Thankd for respecting the Forum
and reading my request to not turn this into a bash thread
:annoyed:
Yeha!!! What the Doc said!!!!!!!

P.S. That's one tasty Avatar you got there.

[CHUCKWAGONCOOK]

Ron has a hardon for Fez?

[Enabler]

Short answer, yes. Long answer, no. For me its like this...any jab that cant be countered with a good "rude and rude" makes me wince. But its clear that Ron cares about Fez's well being. His frustration just gets the better of him at times.

[JackieJokeMan]

Fez should stick up for himself at least once in a while. There are plenty of times when Ron doesn't get Fez's jokes, then berates him for being dumb. Funny lines, but Ron was probably too busy staring at middle aged women on PalTalk to get the joke. He could fight back about some hipocrasies as well (weight, eating issues, show prep).

This is when Ron is at his most obnoxious.

Whenever he doesn't understand or get a joke, he makes an obnoxious comment along the lines of: I have no idea what you are talking about. If you are too clueless to get the joke, at least be a little humble about it; don't be a douche.

Also, if you look at Ron's picture from when he first came to XM, it is obvious that his appearance has really gone to shit. He really looks like garbage. The sad part is that NO ONE calls him on it. It is tough to speak truth to power.

[lleeder]

I think most days Ron feels like Robin Williams at the end of Awakenings.

[STC-Dub]

I think part of it is to get Fez to actually disagree with Ron. Ron knows Fez has opinions and a personality he is just trying to get him to actually show it during the program.

[booster11373]

I think part of it is to get Fez to actually disagree with Ron. Ron knows Fez has opinions and a personality he is just trying to get him to actually show it during the program.

There have been times when Fez has expressed a differing opinion and been hammered down because of it

[Hammond Eggars]

I think Fez's therapist is doing way more damage than Ron. I think he's got the type of therapist who encourages him to wallow endlessly in the littlest problems, all the while training him to think that he can't function in the world without his therapy. Ron's right--fire the bum!

[Recyclerz]

Well, since everybody else is barstool psychoanalyzing lately here's my $0.02 from Rubeville:

Obviously, Ron & Fez have been buddies and partners a long time so it was natural when Fez started with his troubles a few years (!) ago Ron took him under his wing and tried to protect him until he got back on his feet. Of course Fez got his balls busted but, since Ron is a pro, he didn't cross the line and protected him from callers who wanted in on the tease the retard bit. When Fez didn't make any progress for a long while, like GVAC mentioned, Ron has let his frustration show on occasion.

Lately, it seems to me there is a different vibe. Fez does seem to be a bit more comfortable on air but he is also "doing an Earl" - carving out little bits of responsibility that he wants to do (or is at least comfortable with) - hall monitoring the studio, going to meetings, making nice with the suits, doing the live commercials, participating in one or two of the six segments of the show and ignoring the rest. It is fair to say that that is not the job description of somebody whose name is in the title of the show. I'm not denying my rubedom, but my sense of what I'm hearing through the headphones is that the ballbusting of Fez by Ron has gone from "C'mon brother, snap out of it" to "Jesus, this marriage is over. How mean do I have to get before the other one realizes that?"

It has got to be tiring for Ron to be the only "adult" in the crew. (That seems to make him an "elitist" in certain neighborhoods around here.) Maybe when Mooch starts he can knock down the dysfunction and kickstart a return to the Golden Age of Ron & Fez. My fingers are crossed.

[#1FanofESD]

Ron is tired of Fez.

It's that simple. Just like we tire of being around our grandmothers who sit around and want to take the fun out of everything.

Do you blame him?

[biggirl]

I like them both...they work well together.

[TjM]

Youre joking right? He berates everybody i think dave more than fez to be honest. Fez can handle it and its just for jokes man. Out of everybody you can tell that ronnie does care about fez the most. So no.

He's actually been alot nicer to Dave lately. I miss the days when he would mock him as a degenerate retard

[Jeffdc5]

ron's "if you hang out with guys you're gay" rant left a bad taste in my mouth last week.Ron can be incredibly insightful but sometimes he is just plain ridiculous. I think he's been hard on Fez but most of it is just for show.

[Heather 8]

Ron has a hardon for Fez?

Ron has a secret?

[Hepcat22]

Ron: "Look at me, Fez. We've known each other all of our professional lives. I am going to kill you."

Gold, just gold.

[happytypinggirl]

no, and i hate when people act like fez is a child and needs to be treated with special levels of tender love and care. he's a grown adult and i doubt he would want to be treated like someone who needs coddling. and what kind of show would that be? the view for men? daily affirmations?

but we've been through all this many times before. paging dr. phil. paging dr. phil.

[Serpico1103]

no, and i hate when people act like fez is a child and needs to be treated with special levels of tender love and care. he's a grown adult and i doubt he would want to be treated like someone who needs coddling. and what kind of show would that be? the view for men? daily affirmations?

but we've been through all this many times before. paging dr. phil. paging dr. phil.

I don't think Fez needs coddling. I think Fez wants coddling.

What type of show would it be? Listen from noon to three.

[jimmyolsenblues]

i think ronnie is tired of carrying fez...
and when esd is not there...ronnie's anger cannot be controlled when he has to deal with just fez for 3 hours..
i know people hate esd and love fez..(i love them both...)
but fezzie is not strong enough to be second mike....
its brutual at times listening to fez struggle for a topic or follow ron..
i love fez don't get me wrong..
but fez was better pre-virginia days...
what happened to fez in virginia?

[Tears]

no, and i hate when people act like fez is a child and needs to be treated with special levels of tender love and care. he's a grown adult and i doubt he would want to be treated like someone who needs coddling. and what kind of show would that be? the view for men? daily affirmations?

but we've been through all this many times before. paging dr. phil. paging dr. phil.

What kind of show would that be? Have you ever actually listened to this show? I know you go in there, but do you pay fucking attention?

[happytypinggirl]

What kind of show would that be? Have you ever actually listened to this show? I know you go in there, but do you pay fucking attention?

why so angry?

and im confused. are you saying the show is currently just ron being encouraging to fez and trying to help him feel better about himself? and ive somehow missed that?

[West.Coast.Skippy]

i thought about it more and i've changed my mind. ron's trying to cope with a situation that has no clear ending, no rule book, that he can only view through a pin hole, and when the progress slides it must be an awful feeling. plus his company is changing (studio, distribution, ownership, pricing, advertisement, etc) all while he is growing as a talent and a person.

[drjoek]

I think the thread has lost my original point of my post. It is not about whether Ron is doing the right thing or why he is doing this. I am not addressing any of these things I was wondering if people think that Rons attempt at helping Fez and Rons handling of Fez is doing more harm than good. He constantly criticizes Fez, He dismisses everything he has interest in, He tears apart the therapist who is trying to help Fez. This is Ron Im not judging this. I wonder if this type of "approach" which may work for some people is helping Fez, who respect Ron opinion and is obviously a sensitive person. I just don't think it is.

[MacVittie]

Ron might crush poor Fez Whatley on the air but have you ever heard him interact with Todd Hillard?

who the hell is Todd Hillard?

[Serpico1103]

why so angry?

and im confused. are you saying the show is currently just ron being encouraging to fez and trying to help him feel better about himself? and ive somehow missed that?

Not speaking for Tears or with his anger.

But, you do not notice Ron encouraging Fez? You don't notice Ron trying to pull Fez into the show and out of his cocoon (diner, vacuuming, wrestling, some football, some comics, reality shows) of comfortability?

I think maybe you have missed it.

[Fatwreck86]

When I first started listening to the show, I originally thought Ron would just keep pushing and pushing Fez until he cried, I originally thought the purposes of this was just to have good radio.

[West.Coast.Skippy]

I think the thread has lost my original point of my post. It is not about whether Ron is doing the right thing or why he is doing this. I am not addressing any of these things I was wondering if people think that Rons attempt at helping Fez and Rons handling of Fez is doing more harm than good. He constantly criticizes Fez, He dismisses everything he has interest in, He tears apart the therapist who is trying to help Fez. This is Ron Im not judging this. I wonder if this type of "approach" which may work for some people is helping Fez, who respect Ron opinion and is obviously a sensitive person. I just don't think it is.

good points, i agree. so would you say ron should change his approach? because if we are making recommendations i would sooner say fez should share his secret, have a long term relationship, work at a soup kitchen and grow up a little.

[happytypinggirl]

Not speaking for Tears or with his anger.

But, you do not notice Ron encouraging Fez? You don't notice Ron trying to pull Fez into the show and out of his cocoon (diner, vacuuming, wrestling, some football, some comics, reality shows) of comfortability?

I think maybe you have missed it.

i see a little bit of everything.

[BinaryTaoist]

Fez is a grown man.


Besides... have you ever heard him back in the day? He cut people like a knife and rolled with all Rons punches.

[Serpico1103]

Fez is a grown man.


Besides... have you ever heard him back in the day? He cut people like a knife and rolled with all Rons punches.

You do realize that a "grown man" implies more than just an adult male?

He let himself slip into a rut. Unfortunately, he does not have an outside forces, i.e. work or family, to push him back on track.

[drucifer]

I listen to Ron & Fez - noon to 3.

Nothing more to be said.

[Serpico1103]

To be clear. I like Fez. I think he is very funny and ,from how Ron talks about him, very nice.

However, I think the lack of both responsibilities and negative repercussions have allowed him to settle into a funk. He was alive when Ron showed up late and when ESD was not in. I think he feels the pressure to step up, otherwise he shuts off.

I am sure everyone cared about my opinion.

[#1FanofESD]

no, and i hate when people act like fez is a child and needs to be treated with special levels of tender love and care. he's a grown adult and i doubt he would want to be treated like someone who needs coddling. and what kind of show would that be? the view for men? daily affirmations?

but we've been through all this many times before. paging dr. phil. paging dr. phil.

Why didn't you just PM Mikeyboy on this.

We all know it's who you had in mind when you wrote it.

:clap:

[happytypinggirl]

Why didn't you just PM Mikeyboy on this.

We all know it's who you had in mind when you wrote it.

:clap:

tell me then, cause i honestly dont know.

[Freakshow]

I think Ron has tried every approach with Fez, and none of it get a different reaction, so now he's just being Ron.

[boosterp]

Ron might crush poor Fez Whatley on the air but have you ever heard him interact with Todd Hillard?

:lol:

I think Ron's frustration is very real at times, and certainly understandable.

It is half bit and half reality. But then why do we all try to psychoanalyze members of the show as many here are doing?

[West.Coast.Skippy]

:lol:



It is half bit and half reality. But then why do we all try to psychoanalyze members of the show as many here are doing?

on the show they discuss the merits and preferences between pudding and jello. a thread on the same subject starts here. on the show they discuss ron's dissatisfaction or fez's therapy....

[instrument]

the fear in fez's voice when ron answered his phone on the 29th made me sad.

following the panic of ron forgetting his badge.

[boosterp]

on the show they discuss the merits and preferences between pudding and jello. a thread on the same subject starts here. on the show they discuss ron's dissatisfaction or fez's therapy....

I am not excluding myself, I am just as guilty.

[hanso]

Ron almost seems resentful toward Fez as times over his live reads.
This shouldn't be the case however as Ron has his interviews.

[Slumbag]

This thread really isn't about Fez as much as it's about Ron.

If Opie was Ron's partner, the title would be "Is Ron too hard on Opie".

Same with Ant, Norton, anyone you put in a room with Ronnie B. But that's what Ronnie B. is known for. Busting balls. I think the fact that Fez is his partner and on the air with him more than anyone, people think he's picking on Fez. But in actuality, Fez is just who happens to be around. It's not cause he resents Fez, or wants to leave, but it's cause that's what Ronnie does.


And it's hysterical.

[fezfez]

If any of you are going through a tough spot, I wish you a friend as good and true as Ron is to me. I know how lucky I am.

[beachbum]

If any of you are going through a tough spot, I wish you a friend as good and true as Ron is to me. I know how lucky I am.

Thaaaaaaank you.

[drjoek]

If any of you are going through a tough spot, I wish you a friend as good and true as Ron is to me. I know how lucky I am.

That what I want to hear. Good for you Fez!

[RMPGP]

If any of you are going through a tough spot, I wish you a friend as good and true as Ron is to me. I know how lucky I am.

That's beautiful Fez.

[WampusCrandle]

If any of you are going through a tough spot, I wish you a friend as good and true as Ron is to me. I know how lucky I am.

hearts for Fez!

[RENFIELD]

If you heard the show where a drunk fezfez tells the heart attack story...
and both their from-the-heart banter...
you know that the show is all schtick...

if anything...
fez probably gets coddled too much...
(except when shit runs downhill to the staff)
and ron is fez's reality check...

the closest I come to something like this
is the way i treated a handicapped friend
like the a-hole he is.. (just kidding)...
treating him like a regular human being.. (not making allowances)
i was HIS reality check.. and he appreciated it...
(his girlfriend told me as much after he died,
she never understood it... but knew how much it meant to him)

[Death Metal Moe]

If any of you are going through a tough spot, I wish you a friend as good and true as Ron is to me. I know how lucky I am.

So you're saying cowbells to the head work?

Who knew? :king:

[Brad in Bama]

until Fez defends himself on this thread, then no Ron is not too hard on Fez, in fact Ron needs to bash Fez further, especially for that asshole move of doing a live commercial right after the music fiasco during todays show

fuck fez, and fuck dave

I don't know the whole inner workings, but did you hear Ron trying to get the point across, and he said, "I know you're not listening to me right now.." I think that comment screams what appears to go on behind the scenes. I do think that things on air have been a little better lately. Less crying, telling the staff the secret, a little more involved with the show, etc. I've said it before, I think that Ron wants his partner to shake off this funk that's been going on for 3 years or so. It seams to go from one OCD to another, and one masked issue to another. It's got to be tough on anyone.

[helterskeletor]

Ron definately has a whole passive aggressive thing going on.He probably does pick on Dave more,rightfully so,but Fez takes it worse.I'm sure that he knows what he's doing though and he is truly to be commended for putting up with all of the shit he's had to go through since Fez has hit his rough patch.

Thankfully Fez seems to be clawing his way back to top form.He seems sooo much happier and more involved lately.

Ron seems more aggressive aggressive.