Belief-O-Matic Quiz!

[GreatAmericanZero]

Heres a quiz that tells you what your religious beliefs are (because nothing is known about oneself until they are told by an internet quiz)!

http://www.beliefnet.com/Entertainment/Quizzes/BeliefOMatic.aspx

I'm a "Secular Humanist"

[Kublakhan61]

I was pegged as a follower of Mahayana Buddhism. I'm cool with that.
Unitarian Universalism was my close (99%) second. I know some folks who are UU. Apparently, Sufjan Stevens sings at their church.

[booster11373]

I all ready know that I am a secular humanist. The thing that I was indoctrinated at birth was the furthest choice

[ADF]

Secular humanism is the only logical choice. Just don't be wishy-washy and say you're agnostic.

[marky2bucks]

Secular Humanist here.

I need to read more on this. I've read Ayn Rand, Daniel Quinn, Richard Dawkins, Jay Griffiths, miscellaneous philosphy 101, etc.

Any good recommendations?

[AF Mike]

I'm a Unitarian Universalist ? WTF ?
I usually describe myself as either agnostic
or a recovering catholic.

[jessicaduh]

heathens! :tongue:

[ToiletCrusher]

My top 5:

1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Neo-Pagan (87%)
3. Liberal Quakers (84%)
4. New Age (84%)
5. Secular Humanism (79%)

Hmmm.

[marky2bucks]

I don't think agnostic or atheist can be a result from this quiz. shocker.

[joethebartender]

1. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (100%)
2. Orthodox Quaker (89%)
3. Liberal Quakers (81%)
4. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (81%)
5. Unitarian Universalism (80%)
6. Eastern Orthodox (75%)
7. Roman Catholic (75%)
8. Seventh Day Adventist (70%)
9. Hinduism (66%)
10. Baha'i Faith (65%)

I'm off to buy my new hat.

http://tommcmahon.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/quakeroo2.gif

[nate1000]

Fuck your God, your Lord, your Christ.
He did this, took all you had and left you this way.

Unitarian Universalism

[underdog]

I picked all the "God is great" and all the "you don't have to help other people" and said you don't have to be nonviolent, and of course the #1 is :

1. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (100%)

Evangelicals are hilarious. The people that follow Jesus the most are usually the ones who would hate him the most if he came back today.

[KatPw]

1. Secular Humanism (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (93%)
3. Nontheist (80%)
4. Liberal Quakers (78%)
5. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (71%)
6. Neo-Pagan (71%)
7. Theravada Buddhism (62%)
8. Taoism (59%)
9. New Age (57%)
10. Reform Judaism (55%)

I found it amusing that Scientology was number 12 on my list, being as I despise Scientology. And the religion I was raised as was number 25 on my list.

[boosterp]

1. Neo-Pagan (100%)
2. New Age (93%)
3. Mahayana Buddhism (87%)

Sounds about right.

[KatPw]

I picked all the "God is great" and all the "you don't have to help other people" and said you don't have to be nonviolent, and of course the #1 is :

1. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (100%)

Evangelicals are hilarious. The people that follow Jesus the most are usually the ones who would hate him the most if he came back today.

I saw an article on Fark recently that stated the more people went to religious services, the more likely they were to be okay with torture (torture of others, not torture of themselves I am sure). Someone in the thread commented along the lines of how Jesus was essentially an insurgent. I think your right, they would be the ones who would hate him the most if he came back. But I think those people ignore Jesus' teachings of turn the other cheek, help the poor, etc. and worship their own version of Jesus.
http://passtheammo.com/hick/files/pta/jesus_sitting_nra.jpg

[KatPw]

1. Neo-Pagan (100%)
2. New Age (93%)
3. Mahayana Buddhism (87%)

Sounds about right.

You hippie! :tongue:

[Marc with a c]

1. Secular Humanism (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (94%)
3. Liberal Quakers (80%)
4. Nontheist (76%)
5. Theravada Buddhism (74%)

[boosterp]

I saw an article on Fark recently that stated the more people went to religious services, the more likely they were to be okay with torture (torture of others, not torture of themselves I am sure). Someone in the thread commented along the lines of how Jesus was essentially an insurgent. I think your right, they would be the ones who would hate him the most if he came back. But I think those people ignore Jesus' teachings of turn the other cheek, help the poor, etc. and worship their own version of Jesus.
http://passtheammo.com/hick/files/pta/jesus_sitting_nra.jpg

In many of the main stream religions there is always hypocrisy practiced and I think it is to be expected when we as humans have free choice. The people who surprise me are those that always want to cast the first stone per se.

And I love that picture!

You hippie! :tongue:

Country boy, hippie, baby killer, drunk; it all describes me dear. :thumbup:

[underdog]

I saw an article on Fark recently that stated the more people went to religious services, the more likely they were to be okay with torture (torture of others, not torture of themselves I am sure). Someone in the thread commented along the lines of how Jesus was essentially an insurgent. I think your right, they would be the ones who would hate him the most if he came back. But I think those people ignore Jesus' teachings of turn the other cheek, help the poor, etc. and worship their own version of Jesus.

They brought that study up on Ron and Fez at one point, too, I believe.

Jesus had long hair, wore sandals, and preached peace. They'd probably call him a socialist little faggot.

[Serpico1103]

Secular humanism

[GreatAmericanZero]

Secular humanism is the only logical choice. Just don't be wishy-washy and say you're agnostic.

i guess i'm cool with the term "Secular Humanism". I hate "atheist" because i hate all the atheist groups and atheists spokespeople and atheist get togethers that are out there. I never understood why some atheists seem to be trying to make an organized religion out of no religion.

Labels just give me a headache. I don't believe in god or think a word of the bible is true. Call me whatever

[Furtherman]

I'm a common senser. Ergo, the notion of god is silly.

[WampusCrandle]

1. Liberal Quakers (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (99%)
3. Mahayana Buddhism (89%)
4. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (87%)
5. Hinduism (86%)

[underdog]

I'm a common senser. Ergo, the notion of god is silly.

I agree with your ideas and would like to join your church.

[Gvac]

Theravada Buddhist.

Who knew?

[booster11373]

You can be an Atheist and Secular Humanist, the 2 are very compatible

[CountryBob]

Hmmmm. the quiz told me that I should be following reform judaism - and I am a baptist!
maybe its time to switch teams?

[Furtherman]

I agree with your ideas and would like to join your church.

It'll only cost 1% of your salary. I'm cheaper than the catholic church!

[GreatAmericanZero]

You can be an Atheist and Secular Humanist, the 2 are very compatible

i'm confused about what is an Atheist. Is an Atheist just a name to put with someone who doesnt believe in God or does it refer to someone who doesn't believe anything is possible outside of what we already know as science?

[booster11373]

i'm confused about what is an Atheist. Is an Atheist just a name to put with someone who doesnt believe in God or does it refer to someone who doesn't believe anything is possible outside of what we already know as science?

It cant be the second part of your statement because what we understand thru science is constantly changing.

I'm a Atheist, I don't believe in the supernatural, ghosts, magic, heaven, hell, gods and goddess.

I don't believe in any religions explanation of why or how life exists. The way we understand our world is constantly changing and I'm comfortable with that

Atheism is not just another religion, there are no beliefs to follow or central dogma

If you don't believe in Zeus or Thor you are an Atheist

[SatCam]

republican

[GreatAmericanZero]

Atheism is not just another religion, there are no beliefs to follow or central dogma

If you don't believe in Zeus or Thor you are an Atheist

thats what i thought, but there are all these Atheist groups that are giving it a central dogma. Even Ron & Fez had some "atheist spokesman" on the show once. It makes no sense to me

[MacVittie]

1. Mahayana Buddhism (100%)
2. Theravada Buddhism (98%)
3. Neo-Pagan (95%)
4. Unitarian Universalism (93%)
5. New Age (91%)
6. Liberal Quakers (85%)
7. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (76%)
8. Secular Humanism (72%)
9. Taoism (68%)
10. Jainism (68%)
11. Scientology (64%)
12. Reform Judaism (63%)

What do you have to do to score 100% Scientology?

[biozombie]

What do you have to do to score 100% Scientology?

Clear yourself of engrams, deny Xenu and/or blow Tom Cruise.

my top 10:
1. Hinduism (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (93%)
3. Liberal Quakers (81%)
4. Neo-Pagan (80%)
5. New Age (80%)
6. Mahayana Buddhism (79%)
7. New Thought (77%)
8. Taoism (73%)
9. Scientology (72%)
10. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (69%)
works for me, I'm a big fan of the Hindu Gods.

[drusilla]

Secular humanism is the only logical choice. Just don't be wishy-washy and say you're agnostic.

i've always just said i was an atheist, but these quizzes & questionnaire's always tell me i'm a secular humanist. silly me for actually having faith in people.

[Kublakhan61]

I'm a common senser. Ergo, the notion of god is silly.

You think the notion is silly, rather than logical? Man cannot answer many questions regarding his existence, his place in the universe, and bounds of the universe.... God seems natural, no?

[underdog]

You think the notion is silly, rather than logical? Man cannot answer many questions regarding his existence, his place in the universe, and bounds of the universe.... God seems natural, no?

No, God seems lazy. "I can't figure out how we got here, there must be a God!"

It's like when earlier civilizations couldn't figure out thunder and lightning, so they just figured, "God of lightning makes the most sense!"

[booster11373]

You think the notion is silly, rather than logical? Man cannot answer many questions regarding his existence, his place in the universe, and bounds of the universe.... God seems natural, no?

No! The world seemed naturally flat at one time, the sun seemed to naturally revolve around the earth at one time

[BlackSpider]

1. Neo-Pagan (100%)
2. New Age (89%)
3. Hinduism (75%)
4. Unitarian Universalism (70%)
5. Mahayana Buddhism (66%)
6. Secular Humanism (60%)
7. Taoism (60%)
8. Liberal Quakers (58%)
9. Scientology (55%)
10. New Thought (53%)
11. Theravada Buddhism (53%)
12. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (48%)
13. Jainism (48%)
14. Nontheist (46%)
15. Orthodox Quaker (40%)
16. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (33%)
17. Baha'i Faith (26%)
18. Seventh Day Adventist (23%)
19. Orthodox Judaism (20%)
20. Sikhism (20%)
21. Reform Judaism (15%)
22. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (13%)
23. Eastern Orthodox (13%)
24. Islam (13%)
25. Jehovah's Witness (13%)
26. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (13%)
27. Roman Catholic (13%)



I was raised Roman Catholic. I guess it didn't stick...

[Kublakhan61]

It's like when earlier civilizations couldn't figure out thunder and lightning, so they just figured, "God of lightning makes the most sense!"

Yes. It's EXACTLY like that.

Logic:
Man makes things in the world.
Man considers the world.
Man thinks something must have had to make the world.
Man imagines God.

[Heather 8]

UU, according to the quiz and in real life for the past 10 years.

[britneypablo]

1. Orthodox Judaism (100%)
2. Eastern Orthodox (94%)
3. Roman Catholic (94%)
4. Islam (88%)
5. Jehovah's Witness (88%)
6. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (86%)
7. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (85%)
8. Orthodox Quaker (85%)
9. Seventh Day Adventist (78%)
10. Reform Judaism (75%)


<font color="deeppink"> hahaha wow! this is kinda funny....but im catholic-ish in real life

[~Katja~]

1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Secular Humanism (99%)
3. Liberal Quakers (88%)
4. Neo-Pagan (78%)
5. Theravada Buddhism (77%)
6. Nontheist (70%)
7. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (69%)
8. Taoism (68%)
9. Mahayana Buddhism (64%)
10. New Age (64%)

I would have thought more 6.

Atheists do not believe in a god or deity. Atheists' beliefs are similar to those of the Secular Humanists but do not necessarily include the emphasis on humanity's ability to improve the human condition. Views on contemporary issues vary widely.

Agnostics are inclined to question the existence of supernatural being(s) or a force, e.g., the answer to whether or not God (or Deity) exists would be: "We do not and/or cannot know."

but I guess 2. is really the most fitting.

[boosterp]

1. Neo-Pagan (100%)
2. New Age (89%)

I was raised Roman Catholic. I guess it didn't stick...

Welcome to my VW van man!

[boosterp]

1. Orthodox Judaism (100%)
2. Eastern Orthodox (94%)
3. Roman Catholic (94%)
4. Islam (88%)
5. Jehovah's Witness (88%)
6. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (86%)
7. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (85%)
8. Orthodox Quaker (85%)
9. Seventh Day Adventist (78%)
10. Reform Judaism (75%)


<font color="deeppink"> hahaha wow! this is kinda funny....but im catholic-ish in real life

Flawed!


Actually they are similar except to those who follow those particular religions.

[Devo37]

Secular Humanist 100%.

how come all of the "there is no god" choices got lumped in with "not sure or not important"???

[Kublakhan61]

Actually they are similar except to those who follow those particular religions.

Yup. Both are Abrahamic in origin. In fact, when the Islamic sect broke off, over the prophet Mohammad, Jews would attend Muslim services and heckle from the back of the room. Might have something to do with the rift between them...

[ToiletCrusher]

Secular Humanist 100%.

how come all of the "there is no god" choices got lumped in with "not sure or not important"???



Because the idea behind it was to make you click on one of those religions.

[Crispy123]

Hell yeah, NEO-Pagan. I like anything with NEO in it. It means im in the matrix.

[CHUCKWAGONCOOK]

Orthodox Quakers


I do love their cereal.

http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:FJlKltoHf3r6cM:http://www.tvacres.com/images/quakera.jpg (http://www.tvacres.com/images/quakera.jpg)

[Furtherman]

You think the notion is silly, rather than logical? Man cannot answer many questions regarding his existence, his place in the universe, and bounds of the universe.... God seems natural, no?

The notion is illogical. Even the notion of a god creating man in his own image is egomaniacal. We're bound by atoms and gravity. We're all made of stars.

[britneypablo]

<font color="deeppink"> bunch of God-Less heathens on this board :unsure:...UGH im disgusted ill pray for u all that u dont end up hammersavaged

[Furtherman]

<font color="deeppink"> bunch of God-Less heathens on this board :unsure:...UGH im disgusted ill pray for u all that u dont end up hammersavaged

You're only disgusted because it goes against the notion of how you were raised, which is another connection of religion and ego that damages logical thinking. There is no difference between a catholic disapproving islam and a muslim disapproving catholicism.

But I'll tell you this: I do believe in hammersavage. I have seen him, and he is mighty (albeit a bit creepy).

[britneypablo]

You're only disgusted because it goes against the notion of how you were raised, which is another connection of religion and ego that damages logical thinking. There is no difference between a catholic disapproving islam and a muslim disapproving catholicism.

But I'll tell you this: I do believe in hammersavage. I have seen him, and he is mighty (albeit a bit creepy).

<font color="deeppink"> im not really disgusted...u know me i just say stuff like that....my view on religion is not even on the chart....im OUT there if u know what i mean

[Furtherman]

<font color="deeppink"> im OUT there if u know what i mean

If you mean out there licking your nipple, then yes, I know what you mean!

[CountryBob]

After reading these posts it makes me think - does the majority of people that embrace Ron and Fez by participating on this message board - not believe in any type of God? Or, is it just the hip thing to do now or are country people like me more likely to still believe in the Almighty while my more citified brothers and sisters are marching to a different drum??

[underdog]

After reading these posts it makes me think - does the majority of people that embrace Ron and Fez by participating on this message board - not believe in any type of God? Or, is it just the hip thing to do now or are country people like me more likely to still believe in the Almighty while my more citified brothers and sisters are marching to a different drum??

I think there's quite a few people on this board who believe in god.

And I think country people are definitely more likely to follow religion and believe in god.

[britneypablo]

After reading these posts it makes me think - does the majority of people that embrace Ron and Fez by participating on this message board - not believe in any type of God? Or, is it just the hip thing to do now or are country people like me more likely to still believe in the Almighty while my more citified brothers and sisters are marching to a different drum??

<font color="deeppink"> i think all of those observations are correct...cause im "country folk" and i still believe in the idea of one Almighty God (just my view on what God actually is, is kinda wild)

[Furtherman]

lol...It's not the "hip" thing to do. There's nothing "cool" or "rebellious" about it.

It's just that many of us have looked into the beginnings of all religion and have learned and can see that it's all made up. Legends and myths passed down from generation to generation - and why wouldn't you believe it as a child? You believed in a lot more crazy notions than god - but if you've never questioned those beliefs, you'll most likely continue believing them. That's OK. Just for some of us, curiosity got the best of us.

[britneypablo]

lol...It's not the "hip" thing to do. There's nothing "cool" or "rebellious" about it.

It's just that many of us have looked into the beginnings of all religion and have learned and can see that it's all made up. Legends and myths passed down from generation to generation - and why wouldn't you believe it as a child? You believed in a lot more crazy notions than god - but if you've never questioned those beliefs, you'll most likely continue believing them. That's OK. Just for some of us, curiosity got the best of us.

<font color="deeppink"> wait till i give u my explanation of why i still believe in Santa...youll really think im a nut then

[Furtherman]

<font color="deeppink"> wait till i give u my explanation of why i still believe in Santa...youll really think im a nut then

Ok, Virginia.

[underdog]

lol...It's not the "hip" thing to do. There's nothing "cool" or "rebellious" about it.

It's just that many of us have looked into the beginnings of all religion and have learned and can see that it's all made up. Legends and myths passed down from generation to generation - and why wouldn't you believe it as a child? You believed in a lot more crazy notions than god - but if you've never questioned those beliefs, you'll most likely continue believing them. That's OK. Just for some of us, curiosity got the best of us.

Whatever happened to the guy who was calling you Ferdinand?

[~Katja~]

<font color="deeppink"> bunch of God-Less heathens on this board :unsure:...UGH im disgusted ill pray for u all that u dont end up hammersavaged

can you pray for a little bit of hammersavaging for me though? Thanks:)

[Furtherman]

Whatever happened to the guy who was calling you Ferdinand?

He's got two radio shows.

[Kublakhan61]

The notion is illogical. Even the notion of a god creating man in his own image is egomaniacal. We're bound by atoms and gravity. We're all made of stars.

Perhaps you're right by today's understanding of the sciences, but we did not invent God in this century. God is merely a tradition that has been carried on through the churches.

If we invented God today it would be a silly notion. Inventing God 5000 years ago makes sense ... completely logical.
Got it, Bowman.

[marky2bucks]

Atheism is what I have come to believe after growing up catholic, learning, reading and experiencing things in the world. I think it's a progression of my religious beliefs.

Is it the "hip" thing? No. I just think people are not afraid to think these things any more. It's not taboo. You won't be burned at the stake.

I wouldn't force my beliefs on anyone. I will argue, debate and discuss as I hope anyone would do.

[Kublakhan61]

And I think country people are definitely more likely to follow religion and believe in god.

How do you account for Chinatown Christians, Roman Catholics in DC, or NYC Jews?

The biggest churches are in the cities.

[britneypablo]

can you pray for a little bit of hammersavaging for me though? Thanks:)

<font color="deeppink"> i could probably buy u some....i heard its like $5 bucks or something like that....ill bring $10 bucks just incase i need some too

[Furtherman]

Perfect example how religion is dangerous for the mind:

During the Texas State Board of Education hearings on science standards for Texas schoolchildren, BoE member and staunch creationist Barbara Cargill decided that the age of the Universe was up for vote. (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/06/texas-is-only-6000-years-old/)

[underdog]

The biggest churches are in the cities.

All the mega-churches are in hickville.

[Kublakhan61]

All the mega-churches are in hickville.

Google.http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/images/us/20071029_MEGACHURCHES_GRAPHIC/mega1.gif

It seems there a lot of people all over that appreciate God's offerings.

[britneypablo]

<img src="http://www.colonial.org/images/NEW_CAMPUS.jpg">
<font color="deeppink"> this is the church walking distance from my apt....its known i guess in the news for the NCSU womans basketball coach had her funeral there and ive been there a couple times for different worship events....

its not a school...of course they have like sunday school type classes but its become like a small cult for all different activities....i drove through atlanta once and noticed their churches seem to be even larger and more crazy

[boosterp]

After reading these posts it makes me think - does the majority of people that embrace Ron and Fez by participating on this message board - not believe in any type of God? Or, is it just the hip thing to do now or are country people like me more likely to still believe in the Almighty while my more citified brothers and sisters are marching to a different drum??

There was a recent survey that pointed out more people are "converting" to the nonspecific deity type of religions/new age.

lol...It's not the "hip" thing to do. There's nothing "cool" or "rebellious" about it.

It's just that many of us have looked into the beginnings of all religion and have learned and can see that it's all made up. Legends and myths passed down from generation to generation - and why wouldn't you believe it as a child? You believed in a lot more crazy notions than god - but if you've never questioned those beliefs, you'll most likely continue believing them. That's OK. Just for some of us, curiosity got the best of us.

Yup.

Perfect example how religion is dangerous for the mind:

During the Texas State Board of Education hearings on science standards for Texas schoolchildren, BoE member and staunch creationist Barbara Cargill decided that the age of the Universe was up for vote. (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/05/06/texas-is-only-6000-years-old/)

That's embarrassing. :glurps:

[Death Metal Moe]

I'm 100% Secular Humanist according to this thing followed by Unitarian Universalism and Nonthiest which I've never heard of but when I clicked for an explanation basically meant Atheist. So maybe it was just a typo by the web designer.

No surprise.

I REALLY REALLY WISH there was a God that knew the real me, how I am inside, understood me and was ready to forgive me at every turn as long as I was REALLY sorry...but when has life ever been that easy? It's like the idea of romantic love a lot of us still hold. It's all a story, the realities of life are always harsher, crueler and a lot of the time will let you down.

And no one is sorrier about that than me.

[ADF]

As has already been pointed out, atheism and secular humanism are not mutually exclusive. However, just because one is an atheist does not mean that one believes that one should be good to one's fellow human beings. For example, one could be a misogynistic atheist. I suppose one could be an agnostic secular humanist, but why sit on the fence?

Being an atheist does not mean you belong to any sort of organization or are militant about things. I could not care less about what people of a religious nature do with their lives as long as it does not impact my own. I would say that so-called "militant" atheists fight only to keep forced religion out of their lives. You will never see an atheist knocking on your door on Sunday morning handing out pamphlets. You won't see an atheist coming to your synagogue telling everybody that they're dopes.

[Death Metal Moe]

As has already been pointed out, atheism and secular humanism are not mutually exclusive. However, just because one is an atheist does not mean that one believes that one should be good to one's fellow human beings. For example, one could be a misogynistic atheist. I suppose one could be an agnostic secular humanist, but why sit on the fence?

Being an atheist does not mean you belong to any sort of organization or are militant about things. I could not care less about what people of a religious nature do with their lives as long as it does not impact my own. I would say that so-called "militant" atheists fight only to keep forced religion out of their lives. You will never see an atheist knocking on your door on Sunday morning handing out pamphlets. You won't see an atheist coming to your synagogue telling everybody that they're dopes.

EXACTLY!

That's the problem with atheism. They have nothing to sell you. They don't have a guilt trip to lay on you, they don't have the fear of judgment in the afterlife to keep you coming back. They say "We don't think there's anything, live your life the best you can but leave me alone with your views."

They don't have to have you keep coming back to hear the same sermon every week to remind you of that, it's one final statement that when you believe it, it's over.

Also, it's less prone to "Snootiness" and acting like you're better than anyone, like most organize religions do.

[Thebazile78]

...

Also, it's less prone to "Snootiness" and acting like you're better than anyone, like most organize religions do.

I don't know; I've met some pretty snotty Atheists in my time.

[Crispy123]

Also, it's less prone to "Snootiness" and acting like you're better than anyone, like most organize religions do.

There is nothing more "snooty" than believing there is nothing bigger than yourself, that your experience is the only thing in existence.

[ADF]

There is nothing more "snooty" than believing there is nothing bigger than yourself, that your experience is the only thing in existence.

Snootiness in this context is thinking you know better than the next person. Atheists, zealots, and everyone in between can potentially fall into that category.

[Death Metal Moe]

There is nothing more "snooty" than believing there is nothing bigger than yourself, that your experience is the only thing in existence.

No, looking down your nose a "Godless Heathens" who you don't want to socialize with is snooty. Even looking at every other kind of your same religion like they're morons for their slightly different belief system in the same God is snooty.

Atheists just think you're spinning your wheels but want you to have the freedom to do so as long as you leave them alone as well.

[Death Metal Moe]

I don't know; I've met some pretty snotty Atheists in my time.

Im sure, but Atheists don't walk around with pamphlets about Atheism. On average more Atheists are willing to leave you alone that religious people.

[ToiletCrusher]

Im sure, but Atheists don't walk around with pamphlets about Atheism. On average more Atheists are willing to leave you alone that religious people.

Yesterday some mormons came into the store I work at and were buying some stuff but when they got to the registers, began to talk to the cashiers about being sucked of all liveliness and how it was great and tried to give pamphlets to the cashiers. They were asked to leave before they could pay.

[Death Metal Moe]

Yesterday some mormons came into the store I work at and were buying some stuff but when they got to the registers, began to talk to the cashiers about being sucked of all liveliness and how it was great and tried to give pamphlets to the cashiers. They were asked to leave before they could pay.

Where do you work? If it's local I will come to your store to buy something just for that story alone.

[Thebazile78]

Im sure, but Atheists don't walk around with pamphlets about Atheism. On average more Atheists are willing to leave you alone that religious people.

I agree that they're not typically out to convert you when you encounter them.

This is good. But their lack of proscribed proselytizing doesn't necessarily preserve them from snottiness or snootiness.

I think Dave (ADF) said it best - there will be zealots in any group, whether they have pamphlets or not, and they will likely be as unappealing as any other zealot who tries to convert you.

[GreatAmericanZero]

Im sure, but Atheists don't walk around with pamphlets about Atheism. On average more Atheists are willing to leave you alone that religious people.

actually, some do. Which is why i don't consider myself one even though my beliefs would probably say i am

[underdog]

actually, some do. Which is why i don't consider myself one even though my beliefs would probably say i am

If you don't believe in god, you're an atheist. Whether you belong to one of the atheist sects is a different story.

[SatCam]

I will pray for you all.:devil2:

[GreatAmericanZero]

If you don't believe in god, you're an atheist. Whether you belong to one of the atheist sects is a different story.

perhaps, but the moment a label gets a spokesman and a following ideology associated with it, i want no part of it. so i reject that label due to m own disgust what other people do with it.

look at this site, that refers to atheism as a "movement"

http://www.atheists.org/

i dont want any part of that. Fuck them

[SatCam]

perhaps, but the moment a label gets a spokesman and a following ideology associated with it, i want no part of it. so i reject that label due to m own disgust what other people do with it.

look at this site, that refers to atheism as a "movement"

http://www.atheists.org/

i dont want any part of that. Fuck them

On the other hand if you call yourself an agnostic you get labeled as "being on the fence" and too much of a pussy to make up your mind. But being an agnostic is really just believing that the existence of god cannot be proved or disproved. If an atheist said that there was most definitely no god, they'd be crazy, because they can't prove it.


I prefer to skip the bullshit and say I believe in nothing





http://dogpossum.org/archives/image/nihilists.jpg

[GreatAmericanZero]

On the other hand if you call yourself an agnostic you get labeled as "being on the fence" and too much of a pussy to make up your mind. But being an agnostic is really just believing that the existence of god cannot be proved or disproved. If an atheist said that there was most definitely no god, they'd be crazy, because they can't prove it.


I prefer to skip the bullshit and say I believe in nothing





http://dogpossum.org/archives/image/nihilists.jpg

how about "non-conformist"? Does that work for anything?

[booster11373]

how about "non-conformist"? Does that work for anything?

Considering the assult religious types have made on our way of Government over the last 40 years, Atheists forming some kind of association to pool their political power makes sense. Being part of a group can be beneficial.

[boosterp]

Considering the assult religious types have made on our way of Government over the last 40 years, Atheists forming some kind of association to pool their political power makes sense. Being part of a group can be beneficial.

I once thought as gaz does, in not wanting to be labeled but groups do wield more results. Although, with beliefs like mine I don't fit any one group.

[SatCam]

Considering the assult religious types have made on our way of Government over the last 40 years, Atheists forming some kind of association to pool their political power makes sense. Being part of a group can be beneficial.

if you want to force your beliefs on someone, sure

[Gvac]

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[BlackSpider]

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The REAL Master Po.
Thank God that charlatan is gone...

[ADF]

On the other hand if you call yourself an agnostic you get labeled as "being on the fence" and too much of a pussy to make up your mind. But being an agnostic is really just believing that the existence of god cannot be proved or disproved. If an atheist said that there was most definitely no god, they'd be crazy, because they can't prove it.


I prefer to skip the bullshit and say I believe in nothing


Are you saying you're nihilist? The reason I say that agnostics should get off the fence is that they seem to be saying, "Well, I don't see any evidence or logical reason of/for god's existence, but I want to hold out just in case so I can get into heaven." Obviously, that's not always the case. However, I don't see any evidence or logical reason for the flying spaghetti monster's existence, either.

[Death Metal Moe]

Are you saying you're nihilist? The reason I say that agnostics should get off the fence is that they seem to be saying, "Well, I don't see any evidence or logical reason of/for god's existence, but I want to hold out just in case so I can get into heaven." Obviously, that's not always the case. However, I don't see any evidence or logical reason for the flying spaghetti monster's existence, either.

Well I disagree with you about that so I may be an agnostic. I am not "holding on so I can show God I wasn't TOTALLY against him." If God exists in the exact way that one of the organized religions says he does, then I'm going to Hell anyway because I didn't follow the tenants of that religion.

I just say "There may or may not be a God but I in no way believe that he is like ANY of the organized religions say he is." He's not sitting up in Heaven with billions of laundry lists of sins, crossing out the ones I asked for forgiveness for Properly. It's kinda saying "I don't believe that ANYONE down here has it figured out right, so draw your own conclusions.

[Crispy123]

If you don't believe in god, you're an atheist. Whether you belong to one of the atheist sects is a different story.

So are you saying Scientologists are athiests. I wouldn't but they dont believe in the Judeo-Christian "God". They believe dead aliens live in a volcano and are trying to take over our bodies.

Also as GVAC has pointed out Buddhists are considered athiests & they are very spiritual.

[SatCam]

Are you saying you're nihilist? The reason I say that agnostics should get off the fence is that they seem to be saying, "Well, I don't see any evidence or logical reason of/for god's existence, but I want to hold out just in case so I can get into heaven." Obviously, that's not always the case. However, I don't see any evidence or logical reason for the flying spaghetti monster's existence, either.

I am not really a nihilist that was just a little movie reference I was trying to work in at the end of my post



I completely understand your point, but that is really just a stereotype of agnostics. I am just saying, that by definition, it would be wrong to call yourself an atheist if you do not deny the existence of god. And I think it would be wrong to deny the existence of god because just as an atheist would say "The existence of god cannot be proven", a theist could use that logic and say "The fact that god does NOT exist cannot be proven".

[underdog]

Are you saying you're nihilist? The reason I say that agnostics should get off the fence is that they seem to be saying, "Well, I don't see any evidence or logical reason of/for god's existence, but I want to hold out just in case so I can get into heaven." Obviously, that's not always the case. However, I don't see any evidence or logical reason for the flying spaghetti monster's existence, either.

I'm going to guess that's not how much agnostics feel. I lean much closer to atheism, but you cannot prove that god does or doesn't exist. It's not about heaven or hell; it's just about proof.

So are you saying Scientologists are athiests. I wouldn't but they dont believe in the Judeo-Christian "God". They believe dead aliens live in a volcano and are trying to take over our bodies.

I didn't say God. I said god, as in any type of god or gods. Scientologists are still theistic. And their religion really isn't that much crazier than any other religion; its just newer.

Also as GVAC has pointed out Buddhists are considered athiests & they are very spiritual.

My wife is pretty close to an atheist and she's very spiritual. The two really have nothing to do with one another. In fact, I'd be willing to guess most religious people are about as far from spiritualistic as you possibly could be.

[Crispy123]

And their religion really isn't that much crazier than any other religion; its just newer.

Thats debatable. L Ron Hubbard is pretty damn nutty. Id put him in top three for founders of religions right behind Brigham Young.

My wife is pretty close to an atheist and she's very spiritual. The two really have nothing to do with one another. In fact, I'd be willing to guess most religious people are about as far from spiritualistic as you possibly could be.

Ill give you religious doesn't neccesarily equal spiritual but by definition you cant be athiest and spiritual.

[underdog]

Thats debatable. L Ron Hubbard is pretty damn nutty. Id put him in top three for founders of religions right behind Brigham Young.

I'm sure people were saying the same thing about christianity in 350.

Ill give you religious doesn't neccesarily equal spiritual but by definition you cant be athiest and spiritual.

Really?

[GreatAmericanZero]

if you ever seen "Religulious", Bill Maher labels himself as an agnostic and I think hes closer to what one would be

and as for "nutty" religions, i really think the New Testament is the fucking craziest book out there...way more than Scientology. The fact that there are so many people that are Christians baffles me more than anything else in the world

[Death Metal Moe]

[FONT="Comic Sans MS"][SIZE="3"]Ill give you religious doesn't neccesarily equal spiritual but by definition you cant be athiest and spiritual.

Spirituality and religion can be completely separate of each other. Religion doesn't have a monopoly on spirituality.

Just using an online definition of Spirit shows us this:

-an animating or vital principle held to give life to physical organisms
- a supernatural being or essence
- the immaterial intelligent or sentient part of a person

None of those HAVE to be due to the God of any religion in the least.

[Gvac]

by definition you cant be athiest and spiritual.

Merriam-Webster's dictionary defines 'atheist' as "one who believes that there is no deity."

It makes no mention of a higher power.

Therefore, I believe you can be a spiritual atheist.

The arrogant "I know for a fact there is no god or higher power; we're all just here by accident and nothing has meaning" school of thought seems even more illogical than some established religions to me.

[Death Metal Moe]

Merriam-Webster's dictionary defines 'atheist' as "one who believes that there is no deity."

It makes no mention of a higher power.

Therefore, I believe you can be a spiritual atheist.

The arrogant "I know for a fact there is no god or higher power; we're all just here by accident and nothing has meaning" school of thought seems even more illogical than some established religions to me.

Exactly.

[ADF]

Merriam-Webster's dictionary defines 'atheist' as "one who believes that there is no deity."

It makes no mention of a higher power.

Therefore, I believe you can be a spiritual atheist.

The arrogant "I know for a fact there is no god or higher power; we're all just here by accident and nothing has meaning" school of thought seems even more illogical than some established religions to me.

If you're going to quibble over semantics, I'd ask you to define what you mean by "spiritual."

An atheist, to me, is a person who does not believe in any otherworldly, spiritual, thing that exists or has ever existed. No unseen force controls our lives or has any effect on how we live it. There is no fate, no destiny, no karma. There are no ghosts, no demons, no afterlife. There is no Santa Claus, no Easter Bunny, no viable flat-tax plan.

If you mean that a "spiritual" person is one who feels an emotional connection to nature and his or her fellow human beings, then I'd agree that an atheist could be considered spiritual.

[booster11373]

I said this before but I just want to repeat it.


If you don't believe in Shiva,Thor,Odin,Mars,Apollo then you know what it is to be an Atheist

[Crispy123]

If you're going to quibble over semantics, I'd ask you to define what you mean by "spiritual."

An atheist, to me, is a person who does not believe in any otherworldly, spiritual, thing that exists or has ever existed. No unseen force controls our lives or has any effect on how we live it. There is no fate, no destiny, no karma. There are no ghosts, no demons, no afterlife. There is no Santa Claus, no Easter Bunny, no viable flat-tax plan.

This is what I was going for above. Well put Mr Fan.

If you mean that a "spiritual" person is one who feels an emotional connection to nature and his or her fellow human beings, then I'd agree that an atheist could be considered spiritual.

Touche

[yojimbo7248]

1. Neo-Pagan (100%)
2. New Age (93%)
3. Mahayana Buddhism (87%)

Sounds about right.

Here are mine:

1. Theravada Buddhism (100%)
2. Neo-Pagan (95%)
3. Unitarian Universalism (93%)

kind of unusual for a couple of ex-army guys

[Kublakhan61]

If you mean that a "spiritual" person is one who feels an emotional connection to nature and his or her fellow human beings, then I'd agree that an atheist could be considered spiritual.

One who is spiritually connected to nature is a pantheist.
Pantheism is a theistic stance on the human condition.
One who subscribes to a theism cannot be an atheist, as atheist literally means 'marked by the absence of theism' ('a', here, means absence).
Therefore the above is not a suitable example of how one can be a spiritual atheist.

Don't back down to their weak logic, ADF, you were killing it.

[boosterp]

Here are mine:

1. Theravada Buddhism (100%)
2. Neo-Pagan (95%)
3. Unitarian Universalism (93%)

kind of unusual for a couple of ex-army guys
We are trained and literally brain washed, many of my close buddies had beliefs similar to me. I think part of it comes from being trained to expect the worst, part of it is seeing the worst of humanity, and the rest is human curiosity.

I saw things that still give me nightmares. There were times when I felt Christian but much of the time it made me question if there is a god and why would it/they allow this.

[GreatAmericanZero]

i never understood the "this proofs there is no god because of this horrible suffering or tragedy"

like, if you believe in God and he created the universe and blah blah blah, what does that have to do with him being nice to everyone?

Its the same thing with how i don't understand why people who are really religious can't believe in evolution. If I believed in God I would think that he put the process of evolution on the earth, just as rain isn't him snapping his fingers and water falls from the sky...its clouds that are over saturated with water vapor. Even if there was a God he would've created a scientific process to every aspect of existence, no?

[ADF]

One who is spiritually connected to nature is a pantheist.
Pantheism is a theistic stance on the human condition.
One who subscribes to a theism cannot be an atheist, as atheist literally means 'marked by the absence of theism' ('a', here, means absence).
Therefore the above is not a suitable example of how one can be a spiritual atheist.

Don't back down to their weak logic, ADF, you were killing it.

I don't consider myself spiritual at all. The stereotype "spiritual" person to me is someone who believes in some sort of higher power and is possibly new-agey. He or she probably believes in some kooky things like ghosts or that people/animals/whatever have eternal souls.

[booster11373]

i never understood the "this proofs there is no god because of this horrible suffering or tragedy"

like, if you believe in God and he created the universe and blah blah blah, what does that have to do with him being nice to everyone?

Its the same thing with how i don't understand why people who are really religious can't believe in evolution. If I believed in God I would think that he put the process of evolution on the earth, just as rain isn't him snapping his fingers and water falls from the sky...its clouds that are over saturated with water vapor. Even if there was a God he would've created a scientific process to every aspect of existence, no?

The holy books and followers claim that he is a loving and compassionate God

[Kublakhan61]

The holy books and followers claim that he is a loving and compassionate God

That's some New Testament Bullshit. OT God didn't pull his punches.

[GreatAmericanZero]

The holy books and followers claim that he is a loving and compassionate God

ok, but if someone truly believed in god, wouldn't it be more "oh, i guess he isn't loving and compassionate all the time" rather than "he doesn't exist because a good person died young"?

Thats why i view "faith" as just another word for "lying to yourself". If people truly believed that God exists, then he could do whatever to whoever and it couldn't shake your beliefs

[booster11373]

ok, but if someone truly believed in god, wouldn't it be more "oh, i guess he isn't loving and compassionate all the time" rather than "he doesn't exist because a good person died young"?

Thats why i view "faith" as just another word for "lying to yourself". If people truly believed that God exists, then he could do whatever to whoever and it couldn't shake your beliefs

I think you are trying to apply human traits to "God" which with a human mind makes complete sense. But God according to believers and theologians is all things, all knowing all loving, infinitely compassionate, omnipresent omniscient and extremely jealous

[GreatAmericanZero]

I think you are trying to apply human traits to "God" which with a human mind makes complete sense. But God according to believers and theologians is all things, all knowing all loving, infinitely compassionate, omnipresent omniscient and extremely jealous

but if thats known, then why do some people still do the "how can God let this happen?" if hes this great unbelievable thing. It seems really pompous of the human mind to say "i can understand the motives of this thing thats so much bigger and great than me".


I give religion about 100 more years. Humans can't keep dealing with this

[booster11373]

but if thats known, then why do some people still do the "how can God let this happen?" if hes this great unbelievable thing. It seems really pompous of the human mind to say "i can understand the motives of this thing thats so much bigger and great than me".


I give religion about 100 more years. Humans can't keep dealing with this

I hope you are right but I dont think its going to happen

[CountryBob]

Only the true believers don't question God when bad things happen - my granny used to say "It's just God's will". I hate that explanation. It's like the end all answer so dont question what happened. I want answers!

[Kublakhan61]

ok, but if someone truly believed in god, wouldn't it be more "oh, i guess he isn't loving and compassionate all the time" rather than "he doesn't exist because a good person died young"?

Again - that is a Christian problem.
Jews do not regard G-d as even needing compassion - G-d knows all, past present and future.

Thats why i view "faith" as just another word for "lying to yourself". If people truly believed that God exists, then he could do whatever to whoever and it couldn't shake your beliefs

Read the book of Job.