Should We Rename RonFez.net?

[Gvac]

I've often said that because the name of this site contains the names of the hosts (and their show) it has a certain obligation to them. If you Google "Ron and Fez" or "The Ron and Fez show" the first thing that you will see is this message board.

Anyone who has listened for any amount of time knows that RonFez.net is the Official Unofficial Message Board of the show (or is it Unofficial Official?) and the members get invites and access to the show that non-members don't usually enjoy.

It is a double edged sword, though. In the past, Ron has spoken about how this very board has caused problems with both sponsors and prospective guests, and on this past Friday's show there were a few more concerns raised by the hosts concerning RFnet:

1) A member was chastised for speaking honestly about a sponsor

2) The administration of the board was urged to change the mod quote of a member that the hosts found offensive



Whether or not you agree or disagree with the objections of Ron and Fez is not the issue, but rather what you see as a solution to the problems.

The way I see it, there's really only 2 ways to remedy the predicament -

1) Make RonFez.net completely show friendly and force members to "toe the company line" so to speak. Mods would have to delete any threads or posts that are deemed detrimental to the show in any way.

2) Change the name of the show and sever any "Unofficial Official" ties with the show and allow all points of view to be heard, no matter how negative.

Again, it's a double edged sword, and you really can't have it both ways.

Forced to choose between the two options presented above, which way would you decide to go?

[ChrisTheCop]

Well, the option of supporting my radio buddies meaning only that I say keep the name is a bit ill conceived. Perhaps by changing the name, we would be supporting them as well. If it would help their success, I'd be all for logging into another name.

[MisterSmith]

I say give the domain name to Ron & Fez - they can use it for whatever they want. Put up ads, show rundowns, pics, RBI show stuff, whatever. They will have complete control and can keep it for the uber-fans and kissups if they want to.

The regular fan site/board can pick up another name and maintain whatever status it wants. If Ron & Fez want to support it, then great. If they don't, it's just another fan site on the internet.

[~Katja~]

I've often said that because the name of this site contains the names of the hosts (and their show) it has a certain obligation to them. If you Google "Ron and Fez" or "The Ron and Fez show" the first thing that you will see is this message board.

Anyone who has listened for any amount of time knows that RonFez.net is the Official Unofficial Message Board of the show (or is it Unofficial Official?) and the members get invites and access to the show that non-members don't usually enjoy.

It is a double edged sword, though. In the past, Ron has spoken about how this very board has caused problems with both sponsors and prospective guests, and on this past Friday's show there were a few more concerns raised by the hosts concerning RFnet:

1) A member was chastised for speaking honestly about a sponsor

2) The administration of the board was urged to change the mod quote of a member that the hosts found offensive



Whether or not you agree or disagree with the objections of Ron and Fez is not the issue, but rather what you see as a solution to the problems.

The way I see it, there's really only 2 ways to remedy the predicament -

1) Make RonFez.net completely show friendly and force members to "toe the company line" so to speak. Mods would have to delete any threads or posts that are deemed detrimental to the show in any way.

2) Change the name of the show and sever any "Unofficial Official" ties with the show and allow all points of view to be heard, no matter how negative.

Again, it's a double edged sword, and you really can't have it both ways.

Forced to choose between the two options presented above, which way would you decide to go?

The Ron and Todd show??? :blink: Don't know that Fez will go for that...

I said it before and I know others have mentioned it, keep certain areas for members only so sponsors and publicists don't see it when google searching the show or their names.
Keep only the Ron & Fez related area public and available to read for guests.
Threads that have topics that potentially hurt the show or their sponsors could be moved into the members restricted forums.

[Dougie Brootal]

all threads that i start should be in a nenbers only area for sure. and they should check id as well... :unsure:

[ToiletCrusher]

While those are valid points, would you recommend that all "fan sites" of any entertainer(s) choose between these options?

It makes sense to me that prospective sponsors and/or guests may look at this site and it may leave a sweet or sour taste in their mouth but, perhaps a third option should be available.

Perhaps there should be a banner on the ronfez.net main page and all pages as a disclaimer that this site was set up by fans of the show and for fans of the show (is also the unofficial show site) and that the on-air staff does not endorse any of the comments that are made by any of the board members.

Have your cake and eat it too as I see it.

[EliSnow]

In the past, Ron has spoken about how this very board has caused problems with both sponsors and prospective guests, and on this past Friday's show there were a few more concerns raised by the hosts concerning RFnet:

1) A member was chastised for speaking honestly about a sponsor

2) The administration of the board was urged to change the mod quote of a member that the hosts found offensive.

Okay, I was listening to the show and I was the one who changed that modquote, but the way I heard it wasn't that they found the modquote offensive and "urged" us to change it. Ron told ESD that he didn't like the "clutter" and told ESD to email a mod and ask them to change it. It was more of a joke than, I can't believe they had that modquote and it needs to be changed.

BTW, the member that was "chastised" was the wife of a member of the show. That was the thrust of Fez's "chastizing."

[underdog]

Do Ron or Fez want the name of the board changed? If not, then this is a non-issue.

[Gvac]

Okay, I was listening to the show and I was the one who changed that modquote, but the way I heard it wasn't that they found the modquote offensive and "urged" us to change it. Ron told ESD that he didn't like the "clutter" and told ESD to email a mod and ask them to change it. It was more of a joke than, I can't believe they had that modquote and it needs to be changed.

BTW, the member that was "chastised" was the wife of a member of the show. That was the thrust of Fez's "chastizing."

Completely false.

Go back and listen again.

The word "Clutter" was never mentioned.

Perhaps you're confusing it with my thread where I urged that mod quotes be done away with since we all use avatars now.

[ChrisTheCop]

this thread is clutter.

[Gvac]

this thread is clutter.

Not really.

I've had long time, die-hard fans of the show express both of the opinions offered above as part of the poll.

Some are afraid the show is going to over manage this board like many accused O & A of doing with Wackbag. Others think moderators aren't doing their job by letting negative views stand, believing that this board isn't a place for free speech; it's privately owned and a FAN site.

I figured I'd throw it out there for discussion.

Most likely, however, I'll be accused of "stirring shit" and being a troublemaker.

Not that I really care.

[slurp mercury]

Honestly, I just don't want to see this board dominated as Anthony dominated other boards of the O/A fandom. Sorry, but this site is anything but more offensive or a issue now, compared to the past. Ron USED to enjoy the ballbusting crew on the sites, run with them and even become friends with them (ie Alkey and Gvac). Now it seems that only those that agree and or love every second, can be accepted and or get WAY too much credit (GAZ and DMM). Sorry, I could give two shits about what key grip on Kid's in the Hall was the most underrated or Moe's "inside" ideas on music when he isn't even in a real fucking band.

It's all about the status quo these days, no other sides of the coin matter. Sad to say, it seemingly goes here, with the show and more and more as we move forward.

[Freakshow]

Ron0Fez.net?

[underdog]

Moe's "inside" ideas on music when he isn't even in a real fucking band.

What constitutes a "real fucking band"?

[ToiletCrusher]

what, was my post chopped liver? fuck you all. I feel like underdog, all invisible and shit.

[Gvac]

Can we PLEASE stay on topic here and discuss the poll logically and rationally without going off on tangents or attacking one another?

I'd really appreciate seeing what the fans thought on this matter, not discussing music or bands or side topics.

Thanks! :thumbup:

[EliSnow]

Completely false.

Go back and listen again.

The word "Clutter" was never mentioned.

Perhaps you're confusing it with my thread where I urged that mod quotes be done away with since we all use avatars now.

Oh, I will do so.

[underdog]

Oh, I will do so.

I just listened to it, and Gvac is right that he never says clutter. Ron says he wants it "cleaned up".

[Drunky McBetidont]

What constitutes a "real fucking band"?

http://www.history.com/minisites/bandofbrothers/images/bob_400x300_image.jpg

[conman823]

Oh, I will do so.

Post the audio, I would like too listen to it.


Then you guys can change it to rondave.net.

[sailor]

neither solution makes sense, especially since there isn't a problem or predicament. no reason to change the name, so that's how i voted.

also, wouldn't "cleaned up" imply clutter?

[EliSnow]

I just listened to it, and Gvac is right that he never says clutter. Ron says he wants it "cleaned up".

Did he say he found the quote offensive or was it more of a joke?

[EliSnow]

neither solution makes sense, especially since there isn't a problem or predicament. no reason to change the name, so that's how i voted.

also, wouldn't "cleaned up" imply clutter?

Thank you

[Gvac]

neither solution makes sense, especially since there isn't a problem or predicament. no reason to change the name, so that's how i voted.

also, wouldn't "cleaned up" imply clutter?

I disagree, as evidenced by my post above where I spoke of members voicing their displeasure over the contents of this past Friday's show.

And no..."cleaned up" does not imply clutter, especially when it was the content of the quote that was asked to be changed, not that it be done away with.

[WampusCrandle]

i have to go with option 2.

but, why change the name? how about we keep the name and be able to post a criticizing post

[ToiletCrusher]

Ron also asked that all mod quoted be reviewed.

[IMSlacker]

i have to go with option 2.

but, why change the name? how about we keep the name and be able to post a criticizing post

That would be having it both ways and Gvac said we can't have it both ways. Didn't you read his post?

[Gvac]

Sometimes this life demands we make a hard choice. I know everyone wants to look for a 3rd option that would make everyone happy, but that's often not the case in the real world.

For the sake of argument, pretend that the 2 options posted in the poll are the only options.

Like one of those "Nazis have your parents" type deals.

[Gvac]

That would be having it both ways and Gvac said we can't have it both ways. Didn't you read his post?

Thank you sir.

[slurp mercury]

Thank you sir.

u called slacker sir

ha

[MisterSmith]

While those are valid points, would you recommend that all "fan sites" of any entertainer(s) choose between these options?

It makes sense to me that prospective sponsors and/or guests may look at this site and it may leave a sweet or sour taste in their mouth but, perhaps a third option should be available.

Perhaps there should be a banner on the ronfez.net main page and all pages as a disclaimer that this site was set up by fans of the show and for fans of the show (is also the unofficial show site) and that the on-air staff does not endorse any of the comments that are made by any of the board members.

Have your cake and eat it too as I see it.

what, was my post chopped liver? fuck you all. I feel like underdog, all invisible and shit.

Hey Budday, I think it is a great idea. It has actually been brought up several times in the past. However, the board owners think it is a bad idea for some reason and won't do it; something about wanting to keep the site completely open so the show staff can come here and see things without registering. Of course that isn't an exact quote, but a summary of the comments made.

[Gvac]

Post the audio, I would like too listen to it.

Seconded.

If anyone can post it, I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks in advance.

[sailor]

I disagree, as evidenced by my post above where I spoke of members voicing their displeasure over the contents of this past Friday's show.

And no..."cleaned up" does not imply clutter, especially when it was the content of the quote that was asked to be changed, not that it be done away with.

sounds like your beef is with the hosts and not the admins/mods.

and i doubt these lawyers will be swayed by hearsay.

[Gvac]

sounds like your beef is with the hosts and not the admins/mods.

Then you're reading into my post.

I have no "beef" with anyone.

I merely presented two sides of an argument.

Sorry if you can't comprehend that.

[EliSnow]

I disagree, as evidenced by my post above where I spoke of members voicing their displeasure over the contents of this past Friday's show.

And no..."cleaned up" does not imply clutter, especially when it was the content of the quote that was asked to be changed, not that it be done away with.


That I know is not true. He asked that we put a specific mod quote which is what I did.

[ToiletCrusher]

Ok, so in a "have to choose" situation, I will say that the name should remain the same.

If it was that much of a problem, it would have been changed already.

Play the cards you are dealt, ron and fez. Sometimes you get gold from this site, sometimes shit.

If you don't like it, bow out.

[underdog]

Did he say he found the quote offensive or was it more of a joke?

It was definitely in a joking manner.

[Gvac]

That I know is not true. He asked that we put a specific mod quote which is what I did.

EXACTLY. You've agreed with me.

How does "cleaning up" imply clutter if it wasn't asked to be eradicated, but rather changed?

[EliSnow]

It was definitely in a joking manner.

Thanks to you. No more ignoring you!

[EliSnow]

EXACTLY.

How does that imply clutter???

The clean up part did. And he did not "urge" us to change it because he found it offensive. It was a joke.

[Gvac]

The clean up part did. But he did not "urge" us to change it because he found it offensive. It was a joke.

Because underdog said so?

[underdog]

Thanks to you. No more ignoring you!

Sweet!

I'd post the audio, but I'm at work and don't have anything on this computer to cut up the mp3.

[EliSnow]

Because underdog said so?


Because he has the audio and confirms my memory.

[underdog]

Because underdog said so?

You're finally learning.

[EliSnow]

And I will listen and confirm myself. I just can't do it now as I'm at the movies with my daughter.

[Hottub]

If we are playing the 'nazi with guns" scenario, I will definitly go with 2. Whackbag was named after a catch phrase and last I saw is doing pretty well.

But I will say I am happy with the way it is now. I like eating my cake.
More than 8 years running and no C&D from anyone's lawyers over name use. One of the hosts posts here and has not demanded to be made a mod or force any changes. We have a good relation with the show we love. As with any relationship, there may be a couple of bumps, but I think for the most part it is a very happy marriage.

[slurp mercury]

And I will listen and confirm myself. I just can't do it now as I'm at the movies with my daughter.

Jesus fucking Christ! How about you ACTUALLY BE at the movies with your daughter and stop fucking posting on a stupid board. I REALLY don't understand people at times.

[EliSnow]

Jesus fucking Christ! How about you ACTUALLY BE at the movies with your daughter and stop fucking posting on a stupid board. I REALLY don't understand people at times.


The movie hasn't started and she's watching promos when the movie star
ts this goes off.

[Drunky McBetidont]

Jesus fucking Christ! How about you ACTUALLY BE at the movies with your daughter and stop fucking posting on a stupid board. I REALLY don't understand people at times.

its probably some shitty teenie bopper movie like hanna montana in 3d. i'd be in the restroom smoking and posting too.:smoke:

[slurp mercury]

The fact that you just rationalized ur actions is plain sad.

[EliSnow]

its probably some shitty teenie bopper movie like hanna montana in 3d. i'd be in the restroom smoking and posting too.:smoke:




Monsters and Aliens

[paulisded]

I'd like to see the changed mod quote.

[WampusCrandle]

The fact that you just rationalized ur actions is plain sad.

dude, you are supposed to rationalize all your actions.

[WampusCrandle]

I'd like to see the changed mod quote.

why?

[Hottub]

I'd like to see the changed mod quote.


A real nice girl

[paulisded]

why?

Because one of Gvac's reasons for changing this board revolve around said mod quote.

A real nice girl

Ok, I have no idea what that means and why it was changed.

[Gvac]

Ok, I have no idea what that means and why it was changed.

It was changed at the hosts request.

Thus the thrust of this debate.

[slurp mercury]

Because one of Gvac's reasons for changing this board revolve around said mod quote.



Ok, I have no idea what that means and why it was changed.

What IT means is she cried about it to Ron and he is a sucker for anything that has tits.

[underdog]

The fact that you just rationalized ur actions is plain sad.

Is there a difference between an explanation or a rationalization?

[Hottub]

What IT means is she cried about it to Ron and he is a sucker for anything that has tits.

I doubt it.
It would have been far easier to pm a mod.

[slurp mercury]

Is there a difference between an explanation or a rationalization?

udog 411 (http://www.dictionary.com/)

[underdog]

http://www.dictionary.com/

I wanted to see your answer, seeing that you don't seem to realize the difference.

[slurp mercury]

I doubt it.
It would have been far easier to pm a mod.

Perhaps you're right, but I'm not really fond of the inner circle jerk going on these last few years.

[Hottub]

Do you want in, or does the inside stuff really bother you?
Serious question.

[drjoek]

Because one of Gvac's reasons for changing this board revolve around said mod quote.



Ok, I have no idea what that means and why it was changed.



Because HTG is Rons "special" friend. Hence her Mod Quote shouldn't be shitty like the rest of us lesser posters who actually post here everyday.Special favors to the insiders.

[slurp mercury]

Do you want in, or does the inside stuff really bother you?
Serious question.

Honestly Tub, Gvac summed up a lot of the issues at that start of the thread. Are they enough to kill my love of the show? So far the answer is no. As for wanting in, I could care less. I listen to be entertained, I post to chill with friends with a similar interest and bust some balls. I don't however find the need to make everything about myself as so many here love to do. I'm convinced a good proportion of people here start every session with a search of their name and it's sad. In the past people always came here and had some fun with each other and took their lumps. Now, the focus has surely changed, I guess in response to the show (which can be argued).

Another new trend is this "too hip for the room" tude that seemingly is catching. Like this douche trying to say I'm using "rationalized" incorrectly on a fucking message board. First off, he's dead wrong. Second, here's the sentence of his failed attempt, "Is there a difference between an explanation or a rationalization?"

Notice anything WRONG with this sentence grammar cunt?

The funny thing is, I don't give two shits either. I just point out the frauds among us. If you don't think I know ur motivations and allies, ur a fucking idiot.

[Hottub]

The show has been inside since day 1. You know that. Sure there are people working it to get a quick mention. Good for them. Others are happy just to discuss and mess around. This is nothing new.

[slurp mercury]

The show has been inside since day 1. You know that. Sure there are people working it to get a quick mention. Good for them. Others are happy just to discuss and mess around. This is nothing new.

It has never been this "inside" with a select few so much that it's even having an effect on the board politics and or identity. Some people here can't do a fucking thing without some ulterior motive to guide them at this point.

[tanless1]

earlisdead.net ? non-secret.net ? whats the plan , scooby ?

[underdog]

Another new trend is this new "too hip for the room" tude that seemingly is catching. Like this douche trying to say I'm using "rationalized" incorrectly on a fucking message board. First off, he's dead wrong. Second, here's the sentence of his failed attempt, "Is there a difference between an explanation or a rationalization?"

Notice anything WRONG with this sentence grammar cunt?

Good for you.

I'm going to go search my name now.

Also, my point in saying that was that I felt you were attacking Eli for no reason. He's at the movies with his daughter, you made a comment about it, and he explained himself. It wasn't a fucking rationalization, it was an explanation.

[Hottub]

There are also people who have the Hotline number, or could walk right into the studio just with there name. But don't.

[slurp mercury]

There are also people who have the Hotline number, or could walk right into the studio just with there name. But don't.

Truth be told, people's true motivations are pretty easy to see. The people you bring up above are known to the bulk of the long-time fans, and they get a ton of unspoken respect bc of it. Also, I'm not saying every "inside" guest is bad. Hell, it's not my decision in the first place and I respect that. However, now it's seemingly branching out to even the boards and that's bullshit. There's long been a culture here to kiss up and kick down, we don't need any catalyst at this point.

[underdog]

Truth be told, people's true motivations are pretty easy to see. The people you bring up above are known to the bulk of the long-time fans, and they get a ton of unspoken respect bc of it. Also, I'm not saying every "inside" guest is bad. Hell, it's not my decision in the first place and I respect that. However, now it's seemingly branching out to even the boards and that's bullshit. There's long been a culture here to kiss up and kick down, we don't need any catalyst at this point.

Is this spoon?

[ToiletCrusher]

There are also people who have the Hotline number, or could walk right into the studio just with there name. But don't.

I know. It's so hard for me to fight the urge to waltz right into that studio sometimes.

[slurp mercury]

Good for you.

I'm going to go search my name now.

Also, my point in saying that was that I felt you were attacking Eli for no reason. He's at the movies with his daughter, you made a comment about it, and he explained himself. It wasn't a fucking rationalization, it was an explanation.

No, he was able to rationalize his bad parenting/actions (in my mind). I didn't attack for the sake of attacking, I stated an honest feeling on how so many here simply can't walk away. Live your fucking lives and go outside for fuck's sake. If you truly think going to the movies with your daughter after a long week of work and posting all day with her sitting next to you is a good thing....then I fear your kids are fucked. In fact, it's quite pathetic.

Oh and bc you simply won't click that link I so kindly put up for you, I'll post the fucking definition for your lazy ass.

"To devise self-satisfying but incorrect reasons for (one's behavior): "Many shoppers still rationalize luxury purchases as investments" (Janice Castro)."

[Hottub]

Is this spoon?

The name says slurp mercury.

[slurp mercury]

I know. It's so hard for me to fight the urge to waltz right into that studio sometimes.

Do people from Buffalo actually "waltz"?

[ToiletCrusher]

Do people from Buffalo actually "waltz"?

From time to time. But, typically it is done when getting into the welfare or unemployment line.

[sailor]

No, he was able to rationalize his bad parenting/actions (in my mind). I didn't attack for the sake of attacking, I stated an honest feeling on how so many here simply can't walk away. Live your fucking lives and go outside for fuck's sake. If you truly think going to the movies with your daughter after a long week of work and posting all day with her sitting next to you is a good thing....then I fear your kids are fucked. In fact, it's quite pathetic.

Oh and bc you simply won't click that link I so kindly put up for you, I'll post the fucking definition for your lazy ass.

"To devise self-satisfying but incorrect reasons for (one's behavior): "Many shoppers still rationalize luxury purchases as investments" (Janice Castro)."

actually, you link was just to their main page.

[underdog]

No, he was able to rationalize his bad parenting/actions (in my mind). I didn't attack for the sake of attacking, I stated an honest feeling on how so many here simply can't walk away. Live your fucking lives and go outside for fuck's sake. If you truly think going to the movies with your daughter after a long week of work and posting all day with her sitting next to you is a good thing....then I fear your kids are fucked. In fact, it's quite pathetic.

I don't have children, nor want them.

And who are you to judge how someone "lives" their lives? Maybe people like posting online? Not all of us find fun in hanging out with a bunch of other sweaty guys slamming bodies into one another.

Oh and bc you simply won't click that link I so kindly put up for you, I'll post the fucking definition for your lazy ass.

"To devise self-satisfying but incorrect reasons for (one's behavior): "Many shoppers still rationalize luxury purchases as investments" (Janice Castro)."

I clicked the link, it went to dictionary.com. I didn't feel like searching.

[slurp mercury]

actually, you link was just to their main page.

yes sailor and it allows him to look up the word

REALLY?

[sailor]

yes sailor and it allows him to look up the word

REALLY?

yep, really.

[underdog]

yes sailor and it allows him to look up the word

REALLY?

Well, if you were really worried about my lazy ass, you would have at least given me a link that brought me to the definition. But you don't care about me. :down:

[Crispy123]

Again, it's a double edged sword, and I go both ways.



That is a bold statement.

[slurp mercury]

I don't have children, nor want them.

And who are you to judge how someone "lives" their lives? Maybe people like posting online? Not all of us find fun in hanging out with a bunch of other sweaty guys slamming bodies into one another.



I clicked the link, it went to dictionary.com. I didn't feel like searching.

That's your opinion, and I have mine. It still doesn't make your asinine grammar nazi attempt correct.

Second, most of us here obviously find posting online fun, just not every waking hour in the middle of actual life. As for you're evenings "hanging out with a bunch of other sweaty guys slamming bodies into one another", good for you. Whatever does it for you I guess, just try not to fucking post all day when you're taking it buddy.

[EliSnow]

No, he was able to rationalize his bad parenting/actions (in my mind). I didn't attack for the sake of attacking, I stated an honest feeling on how so many here simply can't walk away. Live your fucking lives and go outside for fuck's sake. If you truly think going to the movies with your daughter after a long week of work and posting all day with her sitting next to you is a good thing....then I fear your kids are fucked. In fact, it's quite pathetic.

Oh and bc you simply won't click that link I so kindly put up for you, I'll post the fucking definition for your lazy ass.

"To devise self-satisfying but incorrect reasons for (one's behavior): "Many shoppers still rationalize luxury purchases as investments" (Janice Castro)."

You know what I love. Someone who doesn't have the guts to post as himself and doesn't know the facts concerning what Was happening to accuse me if being a bad parent. I had time to post. When that time ennded was with my daughter.

[Stankfoot]

change it to what? MLC already owns all the variations ....

[slurp mercury]

THIS IS SPOON MAKING FUN OF GAZ

Better? You ok?

I had some fun putting a rip on GAZ out there and hardly hid who I was. In fact, you're probably the last to figure it out, right after Udog. Sorry, but I was actually in a chat with snoogans and gvac as I was posting about ur situation, and they both called it pathetic as well.

[Hottub]

THIS IS SPOON MAKING FUN OF GAZ



Shit!
You got me.:wallbash:

[slurp mercury]

Back to the topic at hand....

I don't think the name should be changed at all. In fact, the show allowed these guys to use the domain name almost a decade ago (Carter and others to be factual) and they shouldn't go back on it now (not that they said they would).

In the end it's a fan site for a radio show, and they always take on a meaning of their own. The focus still remains the show at hand, but to say the focus is the same for all isn't even close to true.

[EliSnow]

THIS IS SPOON MAKING FUN OF GAZ

Better? You ok?

I had some fun putting a rip on GAZ out there and hardly hid who I was. In fact, you're probably the last to figure it out, right after Udog. Sorry, but I was actually in a chat with snoogans and gvac as I was posting about ur situation, and they both called it pathetic as well.


Like I care what you or anyone else think. My kids are the most important. People in my life and I usually don't post on weekends because I'm spending time with my kids.

[underdog]

That's your opinion, and I have mine. It still doesn't make your asinine grammar nazi attempt correct.

I wasn't trying to be a grammar nazi; that would be me correcting your spelling or capitalization or something. I was just trying to call you out for what I saw as going after Eli for no reason. It was obviously unsuccessful.

Second, most of us here obviously find posting online fun, just not every waking hour in the middle of actual life. As for you're evenings "hanging out with a bunch of other sweaty guys slamming bodies into one another", good for you. Whatever does it for you I guess, just try not to fucking post all day when you're taking it buddy.

Those are my mornings, not evenings, sir.

In fact, you're probably the last to figure it out, right after Udog.

Yeah, I can't believe that took me so long.

Sorry, but I was actually in a chat with snoogans and gvac as I was posting about ur situation, and they both called it pathetic as well.

So because three childrenless homos think its pathetic, that makes it fact?

Oh no Eli, the grand tribunal of Ronfez.net has determined that posting on ronfez.net while watching the previews at some shitty children's movie is pathetic.

[underdog]

Back to the topic at hand....

I don't think the name should be changed at all. In fact, the show allowed these guys to use the domain name almost a decade ago (Carter and others to be factual) and they shouldn't go back on it now (not that they said they would).

In the end it's a fan site for a radio show, and they always take on a meaning of their own. The focus still remains the show at hand, but to say the focus is the same for all isn't even close to true.

I agree with the Gaz impostor.

[slurp mercury]

Like I care what you or anyone else think. My kids are the most important. People in my life and I usually don't post on weekends because I'm spending time with my kids.


...says the guy with a REPLY on SATURDAY at 4:46pm at the movies with his kid.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_3KIJt17keOY/SYja_TyXvFI/AAAAAAAABZk/zKSXBu1WZfo/s400/inconceivable.jpg

[EliSnow]

...says the guy with a REPLY on SATURDAY at 4:46pm at the movies with his kid.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_3KIJt17keOY/SYja_TyXvFI/AAAAAAAABZk/zKSXBu1WZfo/s400/inconceivable.jpg

Hey asshole. I am at home now and my daughter is playing with her sister.

[underdog]

Sorry, but I was actually in a chat with snoogans and gvac as I was posting about ur situation, and they both called it pathetic as well.

Also, I do not believe you were just in chat because your computer is still working. No one can get out of that shithole alive.

[slurp mercury]

Hey asshole. I am at home now and my daughter is playing with her sister.

Pretty sure that's a banning worthy offense. I'll expect you to ban yourself within the hour. Have a great vacation! Perhaps this will help you get to know your own family better.

[dino_electropolis]

Can we PLEASE stay on topic here and discuss the poll logically and rationally without going off on tangents or attacking one another?

I'd really appreciate seeing what the fans thought on this matter, not discussing music or bands or side topics.

Thanks! :thumbup:

Well, whatever the new site is named, i have a feeling i know who the first admin/mod is gonna be....

[slurp mercury]

Also, I do not believe you were just in chat because your computer is still working. No one can get out of that shithole alive.

Well for once we agree, but it was actually AIM based. Someone would rather twitter than run a board he actually owns.

[slurp mercury]

Well, whatever the new site is named, i have a feeling i know who the first admin/mod is gonna be....

http://www.bestactever.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/stay_on_target.gif

[dino_electropolis]

...says the guy with a REPLY on SATURDAY at 4:46pm at the movies with his kid.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_3KIJt17keOY/SYja_TyXvFI/AAAAAAAABZk/zKSXBu1WZfo/s400/inconceivable.jpg

Hey, ass clown, your a real douche bag you know that.


Enjoying the fame as some message board hero?



Do your fingers tremble as you anxiously await a response to your threads?

Do you fancy yourself some outspoken rebel?

Do you daydream of attaining those lost youthful dreams of fame and notoriety, and chase them to here, where you find yourself, once again, to be an insignificant nothing?

[slurp mercury]

Ha!

No (u really should pay attention)

N/A

No

Nope


Now you know.

[dino_electropolis]

Ha!

No (u really should pay attention)

N/A

No

Nope


Now you know.

exactly.

[TripleSkeet]

1) Make RonFez.net completely show friendly and force members to "toe the company line" so to speak. Mods would have to delete any threads or posts that are deemed detrimental to the show in any way.

That, in a nutshell, is Wackbag. And THATS why I dont post there anymore.

If there was ever a poll that needed a PIMB otion, its this one. I cant vote because my choice would be: c) Keep the name - I want to speak freely

There is nothing more pathetic then an internet message board censored to keep sponsors and lawyers happy. Ugh. Reminds me of a board for Shredd and Ragan I once joined to bust balls. It was just.....soooo weak.

As much as I LOVE Ron & Fez I dont think I could post someplace that was just completely one sided because anyone who had a dissagreeing argument would see it get deleted.

In my opinion a fansite is just that. A site for the fans, by the fans. If the show or celeb embraces it, cool. If not, still cool. The site is usually created by people for fans of the show/person to come and have discussions. Personally, I find discussions where the people always agree with each other to be completely boring.

[SatCam]

Ha!

No (u really should pay attention)

N/A

No

Nope


Now you know.

what do you and your other board names contribute to this board? seriously

[BullsLawDan]

Pardon me for a moment...

As a lurker and extremely occasional poster, I cannot believe this is a serious fucking discussion.

Having heard the segment of the show in question, it was so completely obvious to me that Ron's comments were a goof that I now must be in some kind of bizarro world where that goof was taken seriously.

WTF?



Also, the whole discussion is out of perspective until someone posts the mod quote that Ron "wanted" changed, i.e. the "before" quote. I mean, there's a difference if it was "I know the secret" or something more serious.

[MacVittie]

I don't think that both of the poll choices are mutually exclusive. I think that fans can speak freely and still be supportive of the show. If we make it so that everyone here can speak freely, we'd be overrun with trolls, and it seems like there have been more of them lately.

By the way, it's "tow the company line," not "toe the company line."

[TripleSkeet]

I don't think that both of the poll choices are mutually exclusive. I think that fans can speak freely and still be supportive of the show. If we make it so that everyone here can speak freely, we'd be overrun with trolls, and it seems like there have been more of them lately.

By the way, it's "tow the company line," not "toe the company line."

Thats not true. Speaking freely is not the same as trolling or spamming. Its not even close.

[underdog]

Having heard the segment of the show in question, it was so completely obvious to me that Ron's comments were a goof that I now must be in some kind of bizarro world where that goof was taken seriously.

We call that bizarro world ronfez.net. Obviously you've never seen the "When Photoshop Mike called" thread.

[TripleSkeet]

Pardon me for a moment...

As a lurker and extremely occasional poster, I cannot believe this is a serious fucking discussion.

Having heard the segment of the show in question, it was so completely obvious to me that Ron's comments were a goof that I now must be in some kind of bizarro world where that goof was taken seriously.

WTF?



I dont know Ron, Ive never met him. But I can tell just by listening to him everyday that this isnt something he would want or be in favor of. This is the same guy that gives the most incredible Ashley Madison and Carbonite live reads. Come on now.

I just chimed in because I had an opinion on the topic, not because I thought it was a legit issue.

[slurp mercury]

That, in a nutshell, is Wackbag. And THATS why I dont post there anymore.

If there was ever a poll that needed a PIMB otion, its this one. I cant vote because my choice would be: c) Keep the name - I want to speak freely

There is nothing more pathetic then an internet message board censored to keep sponsors and lawyers happy. Ugh. Reminds me of a board for Shredd and Ragan I once joined to bust balls. It was just.....soooo weak.

As much as I LOVE Ron & Fez I dont think I could post someplace that was just completely one sided because anyone who had a dissagreeing argument would see it get deleted.

In my opinion a fansite is just that. A site for the fans, by the fans. If the show or celeb embraces it, cool. If not, still cool. The site is usually created by people for fans of the show/person to come and have discussions. Personally, I find discussions where the people always agree with each other to be completely boring.


Perfect.

[MacVittie]

Thats not true. Speaking freely is not the same as trolling or spamming. Its not even close.

That's exactly what I said. Fans should be able to speak freely. Everyone (which would means trolls and spammers) should not. If we let everyone speak freely, it would turn into the Rants&Raves section of Craigslist.

[jab]

Fba.

[Cyber Trucker]

Keep It!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[K.C.]

Let's just be done with it and call it kwyjibo.net

Or at the very least, nolordjezosclub.net

[drjoek]

Switch it to RonFez.com
Kinda like those online poker "teaching" sites where you can actually bet on the linked .com. Either one can be the main "nice" site for the sponsors etc the other will be the back alley shall we say "gritty" site with all the NSFW content. Everyone could join the P12NP team too
Win Win as I see it.

[vamessenger]

Since there is a creep tourney now...should it be FRnF.net?

[NewYorkDragons80]

Some are afraid the show is going to over manage this board like many accused O & A of doing with Wackbag. Others think moderators aren't doing their job by letting negative views stand, believing that this board isn't a place for free speech; it's privately owned and a FAN site.

This is a legitimate concern and it's certainly not what I'd like to see here. However, I don't see that happening, and the fact that you and many other anti-Dave or anti-Fez shit-stirrers are still here is evidence that speech here is pretty free.

Most likely, however, I'll be accused of "stirring shit" and being a troublemaker.

Not that I really care.

If you want to be a board character who says "controversial" things under the guise of being thought-provoking, you can't expect not to have your opinions confronted. But don't play the martyr angle when you go on a website called Ronfez.net and say the Ron and Fez show sucks. I'm not saying your criticisms are illegitimate, but it's childish to expect those opinions to always get a warm reception. What's even more mind-boggling is the shock and indignation you feign when you get the (presumably) intended reaction from the threads you initiate.

[Gvac]

This is a legitimate concern and it's certainly not what I'd like to see here. However, I don't see that happening, and the fact that you and many other anti-Dave or anti-Fez shit-stirrers are still here is evidence that speech here is pretty free.



If you want to be a board character who says "controversial" things under the guise of being thought-provoking, you can't expect not to have your opinions confronted. But don't play the martyr angle when you go on a website called Ronfez.net and say the Ron and Fez show sucks. I'm not saying your criticisms are illegitimate, but it's childish to expect those opinions to always get a warm reception. What's even more mind-boggling is the shock and indignation you feign when you get the (presumably) intended reaction from the threads you initiate.

Stop.

Your act is old and stupid.

Don't hijack this thread.

Try to stay on topic if your tiny brain will allow you to concentrate for more than 3 seconds.

Thanks! :bye:

[NewYorkDragons80]

Stop.

Your act is old and stupid.

Don't hijack this thread.

Try to stay on topic if your tiny brain will allow you to concentrate for more than 3 seconds.

Thanks! :bye:

What did I say that was off-topic?

[vamessenger]

What did I say that was off-topic?

You made some sense?

[Gvac]

What did I say that was off-topic?

I'm not going to give you the satisfaction of dragging me into a "board war."

You apparently believe that by taking me on it'll make you seem more important or something similarly ridiculous.

I have no desire.

I'm just trying to get a debate on the subject and giving both sides of the argument.

You continue to call me a "board character" and claim I hate the show.

It's old and stupid at this point.

The Ron and Fez show has no more loyal a fan out there than myself.

It doesn't mean I'm a mind numbed robot.

[vamessenger]

BTW, my previous comment was to the first part of NY's post.

[vamessenger]

I'm not going to give you the satisfaction of dragging me into a "board war."

You apparently believe that by taking me on it'll make you seem more important or something similarly ridiculous.

I have no desire.

I'm just trying to get a debate on the subject and giving both sides of the argument.

You continue to call me a "board character" and claim I hate the show.

It's old and stupid at this point.

The Ron and Fez show has no more loyal a fan out there than myself.

It doesn't mean I'm a mind numbed robot.

Do you listen to the show? lolz

[NewYorkDragons80]

I'm not going to give you the satisfaction of dragging me into a "board war."

You apparently believe that by taking me on it'll make you seem more important or something similarly ridiculous.

I have no desire.

I'm just trying to get a debate on the subject and giving both sides of the argument.

You continue to call me a "board character" and claim I hate the show.

It's old and stupid at this point.

The Ron and Fez show has no more loyal a fan out there than myself.

It doesn't mean I'm a mind numbed robot.

???

I said some of your claims are legitimate. I gave the "side" that speech is not under attack here and this thread is evidence of that. Of course, you consider an imbalance of opinions in favor of the show on a *fansite* as evidence that your attempts at synthetic controversy are in danger. Nobody is deleting your threads, but people are disagreeing with your dissent. And that disagreement isn't an infringement on you, it's a fulfillment of what you're claiming to promote here. You're no more a "robot" than I am a "sheep".

[spoon]

We should be tweeting this whole thing with pictures so JustJon will know it exists. In fact, it's probably the one way to get the chat room fixed or get anything done for that matter.

[drjoek]

This is a legitimate concern and it's certainly not what I'd like to see here. However, I don't see that happening, and the fact that you and many other anti-Dave or anti-Fez shit-stirrers are still here is evidence that speech here is pretty free.



If you want to be a board character who says "controversial" things under the guise of being thought-provoking, you can't expect not to have your opinions confronted. But don't play the martyr angle when you go on a website called Ronfez.net and say the Ron and Fez show sucks. I'm not saying your criticisms are illegitimate, but it's childish to expect those opinions to always get a warm reception. What's even more mind-boggling is the shock and indignation you feign when you get the (presumably) intended reaction from the threads you initiate.



I'm not going to get into your battle here but I will correct something that is glaringly wrong with this post. Gvac has issues with this board and how it is run but he has NEVER said that the SHOW sucks. That is off the mark. Gvac can answer for himself but that one stood out.

[Gvac]

I'm not going to get into your battle here but I will correct something that is glaringly wrong with this post. Gvac has issues with this board and how it is run but he has NEVER said that the SHOW sucks. That is off the mark. Gvac can answer for himself but that one stood out.

Thanks, Doc.

My point exactly.

I get accused of being a "board character" and saying "the show sucks" and being an "anti-Fez anti-Dave shit stirrer."

I'd like ONE example of any of the above, especially since I've been registered and posting here as "Gvac" for over 8 years.

It makes no sense, and that's why I think he's just trying to make a name for himself by goading me into a nonsensical battle.

[vamessenger]

God forbid someone have a bad opinion of the show!!! BTW...what overly promoted show product did people get for their mom this fine mother's day?

[drjoek]

Thanks, Doc.

My point exactly.

I get accused of being a "board character" and saying "the show sucks" and being an "anti-Fez anti-Dave shit stirrer."

I'd like ONE example of any of the above, especially since I've been registered and posting here as "Gvac" for over 8 years.

It makes no sense, and that's why I think he's just trying to make a name for himself by goading me into a nonsensical battle.



I just bought a nice plaid shirt.

[NewYorkDragons80]

I'm not going to get into your battle here but I will correct something that is glaringly wrong with this post. Gvac has issues with this board and how it is run but he has NEVER said that the SHOW sucks. That is off the mark. Gvac can answer for himself but that one stood out.

That was an oversimplification on my part and Gvac can consider this my apology for making that claim. However right he may be when he criticizes an *element* of the show, he shouldn't be surprised or claim persecution when the overwhelming opinion is on the other side.

[drjoek]

God forbid someone have a bad opinion of the show!!! BTW...what overly promoted show product did people get for their mom this fine mother's day?



I don't have a problem with anyone bad mouthing the show God knows I got to be the cummiest member of RonFez.net by doing that a bit in the past. I was saying that Gvac isn't the one saying the show sucks. I've never seen it.

[vamessenger]

I don't have a problem with anyone bad mouthing the show God knows I got to be the cummiest member of RonFez.net by doing that a bit in the past. I was saying that Gvac isn't the one saying the show sucks. I've never seen it.

I know...that's why I didn't quote you. Just making a general statement about this retarded thread and the way people are taking things too personal on this board.

And yes....I FUCKING HATE LIVE READS!!!

Thank god we have a couple months until Father's Day. I wonder if the Ashley Madison ads will get more frequent around then?

[Gvac]

By the way, it's "tow the company line," not "toe the company line."

No it's not.

[NewYorkDragons80]

I'd like ONE example of any of the above, especially since I've been registered and posting here as "Gvac" for over 8 years.

It makes no sense, and that's why I think he's just trying to make a name for himself by goading me into a nonsensical battle.

I've also been here for 8 years. If I was gonna make a name for myself, I would've already done it, and I wouldn't do it by starting a phony board war. Let me clarify that by "board character", I mean everything from "Mod elections" to your admission that people here are too nice and you like to stir controversy to the current discussion. You don't think you've been doing the wannabe James Dean character for 2-3 years now?

[drjoek]

I know...that's why I didn't quote you. Just making a general statement about this retarded thread and the way people are taking things too personal on this board.

And yes....I FUCKING HATE LIVE READS!!!

Thank god we have a couple months until Father's Day. I wonder if the Ashley Madison ads will get more frequent around then?



Live reads I fear are here to stay. Fathers day should be another pain in the ass

[Hottub]

No it's not.

Gvac is correct. It's toe. As in at the start of a footrace, your toes must be on the line for a fair start.

[drjoek]

Gvac is correct.


MOD QUOTE time?

[Gvac]

Let me clarify that by "board character", I mean everything from "Mod elections" to your admission that people here are too nice and you like to stir controversy to the current discussion. You don't think you've been doing the wannabe James Dean character for 2-3 years now?

Not at all.

In fact, I said I NEVER wanted to see "mod elections" but rather term limits, leaving the appointment of mods solely up to the admins. I didn't want the board getting cluttered up with people campaigning.

Do I sometimes take an opposing point of view when 99% of the people are on one side of an issue? Absolutely. Does that make me a "wannabe James Dean character"? I don't think so.

In fact, in this current poll I took neither side, but rather posted exactly what I've heard in private conversations with other members.

Some people (you among them) think they "know" my "hidden agenda" and what I'm "really feeling and trying to say" and read a certain emotion into my posts that just isn't there.

I am close friends in "real life" with MANY of the members here. I hang out with them in person, I talk to them on the phone, I text and IM with them, etc. We talk about many things, the show included.

When an overwhelming number of them contacted me on this subject, I didn't mention any names but rather brought it up as a topic for discussion and debate.

Why do you think I'm trying to "stir shit" for that?

Obviously if a dozen people had an opinion on what happened others are thinking about it too, right?

Don't presume to know what's going on in my head. Sometimes the written word doesn't convey someone's thoughts and moods as well as the spoken word, but to automatically think there's a diabolical slant to my writings isn't fair.

[spoon]

I've also been here for 8 years. If I was gonna make a name for myself, I would've already done it, and I wouldn't do it by starting a phony board war. Let me clarify that by "board character", I mean everything from "Mod elections" to your admission that people here are too nice and you like to stir controversy to the current discussion. You don't think you've been doing the wannabe James Dean character for 2-3 years now?

I don't get it, are you calling him a phony then? If you are, you couldn't be more off in your assessment. Why is it so hard to believe someone could actually be serious with the topics he has brought to the table? Is it only real if you start threads on your favorite movie lines, candy bars and show host?! I'm really lost on your assessment of Gvac.

[BlackSpider]

Gvac is correct. It's toe. As in at the start of a footrace, your toes must be on the line for a fair start.

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[epo]

Why don't we call it "HTGandGAZsshittypostsmatter.com"?

[spoon]

Why don't we call it "HTGandGAZsshittypostsmatter.com"?

I love you.

[Hottub]

Shit stirrer? Absolutly.
Pain in the ass? No question.

But to doubt his passion for even 1 second is dead wrong. Not just the show or this board, but almost everything in his life.
Credit where credit is due.

Salud Uncle G.

[vamessenger]

I don't get it, are you calling him a phony then? If you are, you couldn't be more off in your assessment. Why is it so hard to believe someone could actually be serious with the topics he has brought to the table? Is it only real if you start threads on your favorite movie lines, candy bars and show host?! I'm really lost on your assessment of Gvac.

Because it's about a message board? Just saying.

[Gvac]

Thank you drjoek, spoon, and Hottub for standing up for me; it's much appreciated, but Dragons and I hashed this out over PM, which I prefer over derailing a thread.

Now back to the topic at hand!

[spoon]

Shit stirrer? Absolutly.
Pain in the ass? No question.

But to doubt his passion for even 1 second is dead wrong. Not just the show or this board, but almost everything in his life.
Credit where credit is due.

Salud Uncle G.

Whoa, whoa, HOLD ON! Let's not kiss his ass too much people. He still won't get back on the ice AND cheers for the wings. He does have his faults people.

:wink:

[vamessenger]

Why don't we call it "GAZsLongwindedposts.com"?

fixed. And GAZ, if you read this...GIMMIE MY FOOTBALL!!!!

[Hottub]

Now back to the topic at hand!

I prefer my burger without cheese.

[epo]

"Esdswifeisunnecessarilyamod.com". How about that one?

[cougarjake13]

keep it

[Dell]

neither solution makes sense, especially since there isn't a problem or predicament. no reason to change the name, so that's how i voted.



X2... if there was a problem with the site from the show's perspective, why would they bring so much attention to it?

[drjoek]

Thank you drjoek, spoon, and Hottub for standing up for me; it's much appreciated, but Dragons and I hashed this out over PM, which I prefer over derailing a thread.

Now back to the topic at hand!



I have NO idea what the original topic was! :lol:

[Foster]

A member was chastised for speaking honestly about a sponsor

doesn't Ron himself shit on the sponsors during the live reads (IE Ashley Madison) on a daily basis?

also if someone spoke poorly or otherwise, of the sponsor's product, that would show that their advertising on the show is working doesn't it?

if the poster/listener/customer expresses dissatisfaction with the product, maybe the sponsor should be concerned as to why the poster/listener/customer is dissatisfied, not where they read the feedback.

my company constantly reads industry messages boards to see how our products are being perceived and when negative posts are made they investigate the reasoning behind the negative post and try to use the feedback constructively.
believe it or not listening to your target customers can help

[mikeyboy]

I've often said that because the name of this site contains the names of the hosts (and their show) it has a certain obligation to them. If you Google "Ron and Fez" or "The Ron and Fez show" the first thing that you will see is this message board.

Anyone who has listened for any amount of time knows that RonFez.net is the Official Unofficial Message Board of the show (or is it Unofficial Official?) and the members get invites and access to the show that non-members don't usually enjoy.

It is a double edged sword, though. In the past, Ron has spoken about how this very board has caused problems with both sponsors and prospective guests, and on this past Friday's show there were a few more concerns raised by the hosts concerning RFnet:

1) A member was chastised for speaking honestly about a sponsor

2) The administration of the board was urged to change the mod quote of a member that the hosts found offensive



Whether or not you agree or disagree with the objections of Ron and Fez is not the issue, but rather what you see as a solution to the problems.

The way I see it, there's really only 2 ways to remedy the predicament -

1) Make RonFez.net completely show friendly and force members to "toe the company line" so to speak. Mods would have to delete any threads or posts that are deemed detrimental to the show in any way.

2) Change the name of the show and sever any "Unofficial Official" ties with the show and allow all points of view to be heard, no matter how negative.

Again, it's a double edged sword, and you really can't have it both ways.

Forced to choose between the two options presented above, which way would you decide to go?

I know Gvac has chosen to make present this as a black and white issue, but do people really think it's that cut a dry?

The incidents at hand

1) A member was chastised for speaking honestly about a sponsor

Yes, Casey is a member of the board, but I believe she was chastised more for speaking out against a sponsor while being married to a member of the show than anything to do with this board. Lleeder started an anti-Pro Flowers thread earlier this year, and we never heard a thing about it. The anti-Ashley Madison posts never raised a problem with the show either (other than when Matty tsk-tsked the show for doing the reads, which I think warranted a response).

2) The administration of the board was urged to change the mod quote of a member that the hosts found offensive


Urged? I heard it as a goof. It's kind of funny to have all of these awful mod quotes and someone has "a very nice girl" or whatever it was. I certainly didn't take it as something the show seriously wanted done, and I highly doubt there would have been any repercussions from the show if it wasn't.

So anyway, where does that leave us? The board has existed in a middle ground between the two extremes posited for 8.5 years. During that time, I am unaware of any time when the show has dictated that we change any content on the board, so there really isn't this draconian threat that the show will dictate what is done here. The board has existed in an unofficial capacity during that time and allowed dissenting opinions. At the same time, the board has been embraced and supported by the show. It's a balance you will rarely see on the internet, with plenty of examples where it hasn't (see Dugout Doug, FBA and the Opie & Anthony Show). So, for better or for worse, this board has been able to maintain this balance over that time period. Has something changed recently that should make us re-evaluate our position? Given the examples cited, I really don't think so. Personally, I don't think we need to decide to make an extreme shift of the board to conform to one of the poll options. I know someone will say I'm taking the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach. I'm not. I just don't see the problems that would force us to take the board one way or another.

On another note, what purpose would changing the name serve? Our google ranking? I believe google ranking is based on a whole lot more than the name of the domain. Even if we were to change the name to something not so clearly Ron & Fez, our site would still likely be at the top or near the top when doing a search for Ron & Fez, and we would most certainly still be the first message board that would come up.

And Greg, I will defend you as well. Even though I think your motivations for these threads often stem from a desire to stir up controversy on the board rather than from your own closely held beliefs, you are not anti-R&F, anti-Ron, anti-Dave, anti-Fez, etc. Anti-ronfez.net? Maybe.

[Stuft]

These poll options stink, how polarizing. I guess that's the schtick.

[MacVittie]

No it's not.

You're right. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toe_the_line) I learned something today.

[GregoryJoseph]

You're right. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toe_the_line) I learned something today.

You're welcome. :wink:

[epo]

"Modswhowouldsellthisshitholeoutfor10Kinaheartbeat. com"

[Gvac]

I knew mikeyboy would finally weigh in!!!

(I also knew it would be too long of a response to read)

[Annie Waits]

it should be the Fez and Ron show, makes much more sens

[K.C.]

Why are we worried about someone being negative towards a sponser on this board affecting the show when Hank Kingsley Whatley has 30 meetings a week with sales to please the Garden Weasel people.

If this was remotely an issue, they'd have asked JustJon and Mikeyboy to alter the site by now (at which point, they decide what they want to do).

[IamFogHat]

I remember when I got here thinking the missing 'and' was odd, but after a couple weeks I got used to it and changing it now would be like changing 'anal sex' to 'wait, what kind of sex is this sex'.

[mikeyboy]

I knew mikeyboy would finally weigh in!!!

(I also knew it would be too long of a response to read)

Sorry for the delay. I spent most of the day outside and away from this place.

What I actually wrote isn't any longer than your initial post and it's a hell of a lot shorter than the combination of everything you've posted in this thread.

[Gvac]

You've got to space it out.

Besides, I'm far more intelligent and interesting than you.

[mikeyboy]

You've got to space it out.

Besides, I'm far more intelligent and interesting than you.

:lol:

[brettmojo]

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/6299/worffrustrationwp7.gif

[sailor]

You've got to space it out.

Besides, I'm far more intelligent and interesting than you.

stay on topic.

[Gvac]

stay on topic.

Shut the fuck up.

[Jughead]

Term Limits For Mods!

[epo]

Shut the fuck up.

This is neither the time nor place for your dirty talk.

[spoon]

This is neither the time nor place for your dirty talk.

Says who!?

[Compliment-Guy]

It wouldn't matter what the name was, the members would still be the most amazing people on the internet! They are what makes this such a special place!

[topless_mike]

personally,
i feel that maybe the show (hosts) or family members probably shouldn't talk down about a sponsor. maybe not the best of ideas, but anybody not affilliated with it, im fine with.

really, if proflowers is that upset over something like this, i'll definately make sure i never use them again.

then again, isnt the interwebz all about free speech ?

[NewYorkDragons80]

I know Gvac has chosen to make present this as a black and white issue, but do people really think it's that cut a dry?

The incidents at hand



Yes, Casey is a member of the board, but I believe she was chastised more for speaking out against a sponsor while being married to a member of the show than anything to do with this board. Lleeder started an anti-Pro Flowers thread earlier this year, and we never heard a thing about it. The anti-Ashley Madison posts never raised a problem with the show either (other than when Matty tsk-tsked the show for doing the reads, which I think warranted a response).



Urged? I heard it as a goof. It's kind of funny to have all of these awful mod quotes and someone has "a very nice girl" or whatever it was. I certainly didn't take it as something the show seriously wanted done, and I highly doubt there would have been any repercussions from the show if it wasn't.

So anyway, where does that leave us? The board has existed in a middle ground between the two extremes posited for 8.5 years. During that time, I am unaware of any time when the show has dictated that we change any content on the board, so there really isn't this draconian threat that the show will dictate what is done here. The board has existed in an unofficial capacity during that time and allowed dissenting opinions. At the same time, the board has been embraced and supported by the show. It's a balance you will rarely see on the internet, with plenty of examples where it hasn't (see Dugout Doug, FBA and the Opie & Anthony Show). So, for better or for worse, this board has been able to maintain this balance over that time period. Has something changed recently that should make us re-evaluate our position? Given the examples cited, I really don't think so. Personally, I don't think we need to decide to make an extreme shift of the board to conform to one of the poll options. I know someone will say I'm taking the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach. I'm not. I just don't see the problems that would force us to take the board one way or another.

On another note, what purpose would changing the name serve? Our google ranking? I believe google ranking is based on a whole lot more than the name of the domain. Even if we were to change the name to something not so clearly Ron & Fez, our site would still likely be at the top or near the top when doing a search for Ron & Fez, and we would most certainly still be the first message board that would come up.

And Greg, I will defend you as well. Even though I think your motivations for these threads often stem from a desire to stir up controversy on the board rather than from your own closely held beliefs, you are not anti-R&F, anti-Ron, anti-Dave, anti-Fez, etc. Anti-ronfez.net? Maybe.

Way to take the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach

[sailor]

personally,
i feel that maybe the show (hosts) or family members probably shouldn't talk down about a sponsor. maybe not the best of ideas, but anybody not affilliated with it, im fine with.

really, if proflowers is that upset over something like this, i'll definately make sure i never use them again.

then again, isnt the interwebz all about free speech ?

i don't think proflowers ever commented on anything. fez just decided not to forward them a thread that was on here.

[MC Pee Pants]

im bugging out.

[razorboy]

im bugging out.

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[Tenbatsuzen]

(other than when Matty tsk-tsked the show for doing the reads, which I think warranted a response).

.

Clarification: I was more pissed about the shitty nature of the site and the GOD AWFUL copy R&F had to read when AM first started advertising with them. Haven't said a PEEP concerning AM when they started doing exactly what I said - start making those reads like the I-57 ads.

[Gvac]

Haven't said a PEEP concerning AM when they started doing exactly what I said - start making those reads like the I-57 ads.

Good thing you set 'em straight and they listened to ya! :clap:

[Tenbatsuzen]

Good thing you set 'em straight and they listened to ya! :clap:

Stop putting words in my mouth. It was a thought, and apparently there was parallel thinking.

[Gvac]

Stop putting words in my mouth. It was a thought, and apparently there was parallel thinking.

Easy.

You're taking this way too seriously!

I just write whatever my IM pals tell me to!

I'm just a puppet on a string!

[spoon]

Easy.

You're taking this way too seriously!

I just write whatever my IM pals tell me to!

I'm just a puppet on a string!

Well then, can you send a nasty letter to Direct TV for me? Thanks G!

[Dirtbag]

If Ron really cared about any of this stuff he'd probably go after the douches who own ronandfez.com (and .net) and are just using them as ad portals.

[Gvac]

Well then, can you send a nasty letter to Direct TV for me? Thanks G!

I could, but you'd be better off asking Fallon!

He does whatever his butt buddies tell him to!

[Tenbatsuzen]

I could, but you'd be better off asking Fallon!

He does whatever his butt buddies tell him to!

It never ceases to amuse me that when all else fails, you take the homophobia route.

Is it because your Radio God spoon-fed you that "it's the worst thing you can call a man"?

[Gvac]

It never ceases to amuse me that when all else fails, you take the homophobia route.

Is it because your Radio God spoon-fed you that "it's the worst thing you can call a man"?

Hahahahaha!

Shut the fuck up you raging jerkoff!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Hahahahaha!

Shut the fuck up you raging jerkoff!

I got plenty more, just don't want to hurt your feelings.

[Gvac]

I got plenty more, just don't want to hurt your feelings.

I guess you're in your element...acting tough behind a keyboard!

Let's go back to ignoring one another. That was much better.

Seriously.

[spoon]

How about a big ass night of fights? I got that from one of my radio Gods as well.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I guess you're in your element...acting tough behind a keyboard!

Let's go back to ignoring one another. That was much better.

Seriously.

How is saying "I don't want to hurt your feelings" acting tough behind a keyboard? It's basically me saying that I don't give a shit enough about you to generate enough rage or hate for my typical ranting.

The reason why I've been ignoring you is that your act is played. You struggle to stir stuff up and it's slowly failing you. You are nothing more than Jezo with less shock value.

[Tenbatsuzen]

How about a big ass night of fights? I got that from one of my radio Gods as well.

See above post. It would mean I would have to care enough. And I really don't.

[Gvac]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.


Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

[weekapaugjz]

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[Gvac]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b281/Frost327/Joker/1181911796832.gif

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Nothing to see here...move along.

Anyway, what do you think weeks?

Rename the site and speak freely or keep it the way it is and keep our noses clean with the show?

[Marc with a c]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.


Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

oh no he didn't.

tenbatsnoozin. nah what i'm sayin?

[weekapaugjz]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Nothing to see here...move along.

Anyway, what do you think weeks?

Rename the site and speak freely or keep it the way it is and keep our noses clean with the show?

personally, i like the speak freely part.

[WampusCrandle]

personally, i like the speak freely part.

we can't have that on RonFez.net - only happy thoughts, only happy thoughts

[Gvac]

oh no he didn't.

tenbatsnoozin. nah what i'm sayin?

Ha!

personally, i like the speak freely part.

Yeah, I like being able to speak my mind as well and not have to agree with everything that's said on the show.

I don't want to hurt the boys in any way, though, when it comes to sponsors or guests.

Tough call all around.

[weekapaugjz]

Yeah, I like being able to speak my mind as well and not have to agree with everything that's said on the show.

I don't want to hurt the boys in any way, though, when it comes to sponsors or guests.

Tough call all around.

i agree with this, but what does it matter if someone says something bad about a sponsor? it's usually because it's a shitty product or a shitty commercial. does what some random person says about a product on a message board really going to change if someone buys that product or not?

[mikeyboy]

i agree with this, but what does it matter if someone says something bad about a sponsor? it's usually because it's a shitty product or a shitty commercial. does what some random person says about a product on a message board really going to change if someone buys that product or not?

It doesn't matter. It's basically a manufactured non-issue.

[Gvac]

It doesn't matter. It's basically a manufactured non-issue.

Yep...mikeyboy's right!

Everything is A-OK!!!

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s109/GregRotten/SeenoEvilHearnoEvilSpeaknoevil.jpg

[mikeyboy]

Yep...mikeyboy's right!

Everything is A-OK!!!

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s109/GregRotten/SeenoEvilHearnoEvilSpeaknoevil.jpg

Well, you know very well that the incident you cite really was about the wife of a show member posting something negative about a sponsor and nothing to do with the board. In fact there have been other threads and posts critical of the sponsors, and there hasn't been fallout. You know this, yet you cite it anyway. 2 people have mentioned this, but you ignore it as if it hasn't been said. It's best not to let the facts get in the way of a good argument!

[Gvac]

It's best not to let the facts get in the way of a good argument!

Amen!

[TheMojoPin]

I love the cut of your jib.

[Hottub]

The replay just started.

[spoon]

The replay just started.

Go outside!

[high fly]

I hate when they go and change the names of things when the original name is just fine...

[spoon]

How about justjon'stwittercentral.com?

[styckx]

www.itdoesntmatteranywaynothingischangingbutyouare welcometopretenditwill.com

[GregoryJoseph]

This idea makes sense now more than ever...

[August_West]

This idea makes sense now more than ever...



I still don't get why they completely disowned this site. They say on the show its because mikeyboy stepped down. Mikeyboy is still here.
Twitter won't last forever.

[JohnCharles]

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