North Korea just went nuclear...

[K.C.]

according to them. (http://wcbstv.com/topstories/North.Korea.nuclear.2.1018288.html)


...terrific...

[biozombie]

I have shit for memory, but didn't that first test a few years ago turn out to be a hoax?

[brettmojo]

North Korea have oil?

No?

Moving on...

[boosterp]

NK sucks. Naval blockade their ass until fuel runs out then we pounce right into their capital.

[HBox]

They've already completed a nuclear test but the explosion ended up being far smaller than what they claimed or what was expected.

[HBox]

NK sucks. Naval blockade their ass until fuel runs out then we pounce right into their capital.

If you want to sacrifice Seoul and most of its 10 million people sure, then that will work.

[brettmojo]

They've already completed a nuclear test but the explosion ended up being far smaller than what they claimed or what was expected.
Maybe they were just nervous or hadn't done it in a while.

[boosterp]

If you want to sacrifice Seoul and most of its 10 million people sure, then that will work.

Yea, I should add sarcasm tags. Next to Russia, NK scares me.

[TheMojoPin]

Now THIS guy having a nuke definitely creeps me out as opposed to all the handwringing over Iran.

[Judge Smails]

North Korea just went nuclear...


http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8595/johnnyleon3oe6.jpg

And Leon's getting larger!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Let me know when they have, you know, a delivery system we should be worried about.

[epo]

Maybe they were just nervous or hadn't done it in a while.

I know this is a serious issue, but this line is way too good to not be pointed out.

[SonOfSmeagol]

If this clown can have the capability, just how far behind can Iran be?

Worry scale - low. Could anyone be more interested in self-preservation than the guy with the hair in N Korea? and, have less of an ideological following in the world? Not a good thing though, how much longer until we supply S Korea with a counter force?

[The Jays]

Sure, why worry about a country that we're technically still at war with, having a nuclear weapon?

[SonOfSmeagol]

I'm not, we're still very much on the side of S Korea, and Japan for that matter. And we have approx 5,399 more than they do.

[brettmojo]

Yeah unless they're able to Fedex it to us who cares.

If they take out South Korea at least that'll be one less country that our government sends money to.

[A.J.]

I think if we give them another reactor that will stop their nuclear ambitions. You'll see!

[boosterp]

If they take out South Korea at least that'll be one less country that our government sends money to.

It's a bit early but this may make LOTD.

[SatCam]

I wouldnt mind if they shot a warhead our way. I'd rather be dead than have to deal with a nuclear arms war

[Recyclerz]

If they take out South Korea at least that'll be one less country that our government borrows money from.

Fixed. Unless you follow the Bennington financial doctrine of debts dieing with the holder.

Of course, if South Korea goes we'll have a hard time finding replacement parts for our Hyundais or happy endings for our massages.

[HBox]

If Sotuh Korea goes we will have no more Samsung TVs or animators anymore.

[sr71blackbird]

There is a Korean market in Plainview and it is awesome and the Koreans in the store and the area are very nice and clean and I would go so far as to say that their sense of cleanliness and "normal" food and their thinking is much more mainstream than other orientals I have encountered. I assume they are not from the same place as that crazy dictator. I hope that he does not attack those nice people with it. If he does try, I hope we stop him.

[Judge Smails]

There is a Korean market in Plainview and it is awesome and the Koreans in the store and the area are very nice and clean and I would go so far as to say that their sense of cleanliness and "normal" food and their thinking is much more mainstream than other orientals I have encountered. I assume they are not from the same place as that crazy dictator. I hope that he does not attack those nice people with it. If he does try, I hope we stop him.

White people are so scared of yellow people.

[KatPw]

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2009/05/200952744911711974.html

This is not good.

[angrymissy]

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[brettmojo]

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2009/05/200952744911711974.html

This is not good.
Awesome.

The news can cover this now and stop pounding us over the head with this retarded swine flu.

[ToiletCrusher]

Maybe those missiles have enough range to take out the KIA headquarters.

[brettmojo]

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[keithy_19]

Terrific.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090528/ap_on_re_as/as_koreas_nuclear

SEOUL, South Korea – The U.S. and South Korea put their military forces on high alert Thursday after North Korea renounced the truce keeping the peace between the two Koreas since 1953. The North also accused the U.S. of preparing to attack the isolated communist country in the wake of its second nuclear bomb test, and warned it would retaliate to any hostility with "merciless" and dangerous ferocity.

[Gvac]

I think it's high time we ask our buddies in China to do something about this mess.

[DolaMight]

I wonder if they struggle to pronounce nuclear in their language.

[Drunky McBetidont]

I think it's high time we ask our buddies in China to do something about this mess.

they owe us!

\



















oh, wait. nvr mind

[ToiletCrusher]

Nuke the entire peninsula.

[Gvac]

they owe us!

oh, wait. nvr mind

Exactly.

If they want to see a penny of that money, they'll keep us happy.

[Drunky McBetidont]

Exactly.

If they want to see a penny of that money, they'll keep us happy.

me love you long time.












wait, wrong war. dammit

[KatPw]

My father served in the Korean war, and he was always talking about this happening and he never understood why other countries (and our own) never seemed that concerned about it. It made him furious. He must be rolling in his grave right now.

[yojimbo7248]

I think it's high time we ask our buddies in China to do something about this mess.


they have limited control over the North Korean leadership and they aren't going to do anything that could bring down the Pyongyang regime. China's biggest worry is a complete NK collapse. That would create instability in their Northeast which already has enough problems with unemployed laborers. so, they aren't going to suddenly cut off trade with North Korea.

[Gvac]

they have limited control over the North Korean leadership and they aren't going to do anything that could bring down the Pyongyang regime. China's biggest worry is a complete NK collapse. That would create instability in their Northeast which already has enough problems with unemployed laborers. so, they aren't going to suddenly cut off trade with North Korea.

I'm suggesting nothing of the sort, but they have other ways to make Kim Jong-il walk the straight and narrow.

[ToiletCrusher]

I owned North Korea for a few years but traded it for magical beans.

Truth.com right there.

[yojimbo7248]

I'm suggesting nothing of the sort, but they have other ways to make Kim Jong-il walk the straight and narrow.

well, they do have those embarrassing photos of him from that long weekend in Beijing...you might have a point here.

[Drunky McBetidont]

I owned North Korea for a few years but traded it for magical beans.

Truth.com right there.

truth
http://www.h4x3d.com/feat/themes/bomb.jpg

[sr71blackbird]

Part of me is hoping N Korea invades S Korea and fucks with us at the same time, and tries to use a nuke. Then, we'd be forced to retaliate and our current leadership and their weak kneed stance on things will be exposed as the hypocrites that they are when they do so, and a World War would result and we would not dealing with Chinese imports because China will stand with Korea, and the US will have to renew it's industrial capability, and begin to be producers once again instead of consumers, and this will cause our unemployment to cease to exist.

[brettmojo]

Part of me is hoping N Korea invades S Korea and fucks with us at the same time, and tries to use a nuke. Then, we'd be forced to retaliate and our current leadership and their weak kneed stance on things will be exposed as the hypocrites that they are when they do so, and a World War would result and we would not dealing with Chinese imports because China will stand with Korea, and the US will have to renew it's industrial capability, and begin to be producers once again instead of consumers, and this will cause our unemployment to cease to exist.
China will not stand with Korea. If they did, they'd have to kiss our debt to them goodbye... Cause' no way is the government paying them back after that. Everyone has a price HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!!!!

http://bigapplesportsblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/million-dollar-man.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

Part of me is hoping N Korea invades S Korea and fucks with us at the same time, and tries to use a nuke. Then, we'd be forced to retaliate and our current leadership and their weak kneed stance on things will be exposed as the hypocrites that they are when they do so, and a World War would result and we would not dealing with Chinese imports because China will stand with Korea, and the US will have to renew it's industrial capability, and begin to be producers once again instead of consumers, and this will cause our unemployment to cease to exist.

This is all an elaborate joke, right?

[TripleSkeet]

Part of me is hoping N Korea invades S Korea and fucks with us at the same time, and tries to use a nuke. Then, we'd be forced to retaliate and our current leadership and their weak kneed stance on things will be exposed as the hypocrites that they are when they do so, and a World War would result and we would not dealing with Chinese imports because China will stand with Korea, and the US will have to renew it's industrial capability, and begin to be producers once again instead of consumers, and this will cause our unemployment to cease to exist.

Do all republicans believe this horseshit? Nobody is using a fucking nuke. Please. What do you guys want to do anyway? Send troops over there too? Dont you get it? Thats the biggest reason the republicans lost this time. You guys just want to send our fucking armies into every country out there. Iraq is the reason the US is in fucking debt up to their eyebrows. Debt they may never repay. And youre ready to do that all over again. Unreal. They arent going to do shit. Its all posturing. Grow up.

Do people in this country ever learn from fucking mistakes?

[The Jays]

Well, to be honest, we do have like 28,500 troops already on the Korea border, plus 50,000 in Japan.

[HBox]

This is all an elaborate joke, right?

Of course it isn't. Hoping for a World War to break out so that Obama looks like an ass and we can make refrigerators again is completely logical and normal and not indicative of any deep seeded emotional issues.

[foodcourtdruide]

Part of me is hoping N Korea invades S Korea and fucks with us at the same time, and tries to use a nuke. Then, we'd be forced to retaliate and our current leadership and their weak kneed stance on things will be exposed as the hypocrites that they are when they do so, and a World War would result and we would not dealing with Chinese imports because China will stand with Korea, and the US will have to renew it's industrial capability, and begin to be producers once again instead of consumers, and this will cause our unemployment to cease to exist.

So you hope millions of people die so you can prove a political point and lower unemployment? Um, what?

[The Jays]

So you hope millions of people die so you can prove a political point and lower unemployment? Um, what?

That's what we Republicans have been doing since Lincoln. Kill people, unite the country, and create jobs with the aftermath.

[Dude!]

That's what we Republicans have been doing since Lincoln. Kill people, unite the country, and create jobs with the aftermath.

let's see

WWI um democrat prez involved us
WWII um democrat prez involved us
Korea um democrat prez involved us
Vietnam um democrat prez involved us

Iraq I and II republican
and oh yeah, Grenada too
Grenada sure created alot of jobs

Jives, what is your problem?
please don't make up facts
you can feel however you want
about the opposition
but stop with the made-up stuff
please

[FezsAssistant]

But but but but I thought the world was going to automatically obey the US since they elected a man that walks around apologizing to everyone and licking their extremist asses???

[The Jays]

let's see

WWI um democrat prez involved us
WWII um democrat prez involved us
Korea um democrat prez involved us
Vietnam um democrat prez involved us

Iraq I and II republican
and oh yeah, Grenada too
Grenada sure created alot of jobs

Jives, what is your problem?
please don't make up facts
you can feel however you want
about the opposition
but stop with the made-up stuff
please

My name's not Jives.

[Dude!]

But but but but I thought the world was going to automatically obey the US since they elected a man that walks around apologizing to everyone and licking their extremist asses???

that would be chuckwagoncook

[Dude!]

My name's not Jives.

it should be
cause you copied him

[FezsAssistant]

I thought love and understanding would fix everything in the world, Obama???

[yojimbo7248]

I thought love and understanding would fix everything in the world, Obama???

when has Obama said anything even close to the US needs to have 'love and understanding' toward Kim Jong Il? There are many ways to criticize Obama's foreign policy but this just makes no sense.

[CHUCKWAGONCOOK]

If They Sent A Nuke Our Way Would It Hit The East Coast Or The West Coast?

[TheMojoPin]

WWI um democrat prez involved us
WWII um democrat prez involved us
Korea um democrat prez involved us
Vietnam um democrat prez involved us

Correct on all but Vietnam. JFK and LBJ escalated, but that was Eisenhower's baby. It's also arguably not very effective to lump WWI and WWII, which were essentially "necessary" conflicts, with ones like Korea and Vietnam. The presidents at those times simply happened to be Democrats. Any Republican likely would have followed the same route.

[The Jays]

it should be
cause you copied him

I copied him? I haven't even seen what he posted in this forum. How the hell could I have copied him, Dude!?

[foodcourtdruide]

I copied him? I haven't even seen what he posted in this forum. How the hell could I have copied him, Dude!?

Ok jives... Jay... Jives... I can't tell :(

[Serpico1103]

And Ant is right, Obama is too much of a pussy to invade. GW would have rolled humvees into his palace ASAP.

[A.J.]

North Korea just went nuclear...

And the rest of the world is going ballistic!

A ge ge ge.

[sr71blackbird]

I wonder what N Korea would do if the next time they test fire a missile, we use satellites to blow it out of the air?

[TheMojoPin]

I wonder what N Korea would do if the next time they test fire a missile, we use satellites to blow it out of the air?

I wonder what would happen not in a GI Joe episode.

[TobyWong]

I wish we didn't have such a pussy for a president. I'm embarased to be an American.

[TheMojoPin]

I wish we didn't have such a pussy for a president. I'm embarased to be an American.

Watch it. Toby Keith will show up at your doorstep ready to put a boot up your ass for that, Charlie-fucking-Chan.

[Dude!]

I wish we didn't have such a pussy for a president. I'm embarased to be an American.

if loving you is wong
i don't want to be wight

[Gvac]

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[SonOfSmeagol]

Just two weeks ago (mid-May), the administration's special envoy for disarmament talks with North Korea, Stephen Bosworth, said during a visit to Asian capitals that "everyone is feeling relatively relaxed about where we are at this point in the process."

DOH!


You go, UN!:
(1) "After a brief emergency meeting held at Japan's request, the UN Security Council demanded that North Korea abide by two previous resolutions”
:laugh:
(2) "The current Security Council president, made clear in a statement that the council's condemnation was only an initial response, and that more will follow. He said it was too early to give any specifics.”
:laugh::laugh:
(3) "The members of the Security Council have decided to start work immediately on a Security Council resolution on this matter,"
:lol:

[TheMojoPin]

I love how people talk like anyone can predict what the hell a country run by a lunatic will do.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Some people have such weak defense/explanation/rationale for such statements by Special Envoys. Is it asking too much for someone in such a position to have a clue, or if they don’t have clue to at least have the judgment and knowledge not to exhibit such naïveté. Why have a special envoy who doesn’t have a clue. And if no one can have a clue, why have a special envoy at all. Either way:

DOH!

[Serpico1103]

Some people have such weak defense/explanation/rationale for such statements by Special Envoys. Is it asking too much for someone in such a position to have a clue, or if they don’t have clue to at least have the judgment and knowledge not to exhibit such naïveté. Why have a special envoy who doesn’t have a clue. And if no one can have a clue, why have a special envoy at all. Either way:
DOH!


That statement would only be worse if it was put on a giant banner behind the president as he gave a speech dressed up like a 5yo on Halloween as a pilot.

Maybe if everyone in the world wasn't aware of the fact that America will not get into another military engagement, as two is enough, we would have leverage. Unfortunately, North Korea must be well aware of the fact that our military is not capable of any meaningful action there and the public will not stand for another proactive "war."

[SonOfSmeagol]

Amazing, to take simple, somewhat humorous, regretful statements made by the current administration and UN for they are – kinda dumb - and spin it back into a Bush-bashing and anti-war diatribe. Especially when no supporting statements about Bush and war were made in any way in the first place. And the statement about the giant banner really makes absolutely NO sense at all.

[Contra]

Wait the missle didn't fall apart in the sky halfway through its flight course like last time?

[Serpico1103]

Amazing, to take simple, somewhat humorous, regretful statements made by the current administration and UN for they are – kinda dumb - and spin it back into a Bush-bashing and anti-war diatribe. Especially when no supporting statements about Bush and war were made in any way in the first place. And the statement about the giant banner really makes absolutely NO sense at all.

Your post was obviously not a serious commentary on the envoy's statement. He made a public statement, which usually has little in common with what is actually happening.
You tried to spin it into an example of how incompetent he is.
I referenced a very funny moment, Bush standing in front of a banner that read "mission accomplished." What was the mission again?
Oh yeah, I know Bush didn't know about the banner, anyone can just fly a huge banner behind the president without getting approval.
I am not anti-war. If you comprehended my post, it stated that war is no longer an option, as we have over extended ourselves. That is why war should be a last resort, because it's a big world and you never know where the next conflict will arise. I think wars are sometimes necessary, winning them is essential.

[sr71blackbird]

I have a doubt that if we engaged N Korea that it would be a conventional engagement.

[HBox]

I wonder what would happen if we deployed an army of cross-dressing supermen who shoot laser beams from their piss holes to the DMZ.

[Contra]

We need these guys

http://www.virginmedia.com/images/wallpapers/movies/teamamerica_800.jpg

[SonOfSmeagol]

I have in mind a possible candidate with high potential for meeting the criteria of the task.

[Serpico1103]

I have a doubt that if we engaged N Korea that it would be a conventional engagement.

Asking for Kim Jong's father's permission and then getting on one knee?

NK is safe, the American public learned after Iraq that proactive wars are not worth fighting. We will forget, but not so soon.

[badmonkey]

Your post was obviously not a serious commentary on the envoy's statement. He made a public statement, which usually has little in common with what is actually happening.
You tried to spin it into an example of how incompetent he is.
I referenced a very funny moment, Bush standing in front of a banner that read "mission accomplished." What was the mission again?
Oh yeah, I know Bush didn't know about the banner, anyone can just fly a huge banner behind the president without getting approval.
I am not anti-war. If you comprehended my post, it stated that war is no longer an option, as we have over extended ourselves. That is why war should be a last resort, because it's a big world and you never know where the next conflict will arise. I think wars are sometimes necessary, winning them is essential.

CBS News: Bartlett: "Mission Accomplished" Banner Was My Fault
At his news conference yesterday, President Bush said the decision to put a "Mission Accomplished" banner on the aircraft carrier where he gave a speech following the invasion of Iraq in 2003 was a "mistake."

It was not his mistake, however, according to CBS News political analyst Dan Bartlett, a former senior advisor to Mr. Bush. Asked this morning by Harry Smith, co-anchor of CBS' The Early Show, who was responsible for the banner – Smith pointed out that both the Navy and former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan have taken the blame in the past – Bartlett said that it was actually his call.

"Quite frankly, yours truly was the guy who actually signed off" on posting the banner, Bartlett said, after people on the aircraft carrier approached the White House with the idea. "I regret it to this day, because it did send the wrong message." (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/01/13/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4718462.shtml)
So it was suggested by the crew of the aircraft carrier and then signed off by an aid. The important part of this is that it wasn't even Bush's idea to have the "Mission Accomplished" banner. It came from the crew of the aircraft carrier. I know it sucks to have yet another myth destroyed for you, but have no fear... I'm sure it won't stop you from mentioning it again next time you need to trash Bush.

As for the use of the jet to land on the aircraft carrier for that speech...
You can't land Air Force One on an aircraft carrier.
He could have landed a helicopter
Who gives a shit?

[SonOfSmeagol]

Your post was obviously not a serious commentary on the envoy's statement. He made a public statement, which usually has little in common with what is actually happening.
You tried to spin it into an example of how incompetent he is.
I referenced a very funny moment, Bush standing in front of a banner that read "mission accomplished." What was the mission again?
Oh yeah, I know Bush didn't know about the banner, anyone can just fly a huge banner behind the president without getting approval.
I am not anti-war. If you comprehended my post, it stated that war is no longer an option, as we have over extended ourselves. That is why war should be a last resort, because it's a big world and you never know where the next conflict will arise. I think wars are sometimes necessary, winning them is essential.

Serious commentary? Who cares? He said what he said and anyone with half an objective brain would look at it and say “oops”, and chuckle a bit. Who would actually try to defend such a remark? As you are now at least the second one to try to do so, I guess there are some that would, for whatever reason. I didn’t have to spin a thing, actually, nor did I try.

As for the banner, your comment in response to what I said remains a non sequitur - didn’t. make. any. sense. – and was a MOST transparent attempt to try to introduce anti-Bush sentiment into something where it just didn’t fit.

And actually, war is an option, one I hope doesn’t come to pass. But, the military clearly stated this week that they could deal with N Korea if they had to. However, we have some 28,000 thousand troops in S Korea now, largely as a deterrent as they could be easily overrun by the 1M+ N Korean troops, and I don’t think N Korea is that stupid – but I could be wrong – after all, I’m no Special Envoy.

[Serpico1103]

And actually, war is an option, one I hope doesn’t come to pass. But, the military clearly stated this week that they could deal with N Korea if they had to. However, we have some 28,000 thousand troops in S Korea now, largely as a deterrent as they could be easily overrun by the 1M+ N Korean troops, and I don’t think N Korea is that stupid – but I could be wrong – after all, I’m no Special Envoy.


Oh I get it. The military would say "No, we can't deal with North Korea now, please wait a couple of years."
How many is 28,000 thousand, is it anything like 28,000 or 28 million?
The amount of troops is not the issue. The issue is America's willingness to engage in war. We have been lied into almost every war we have fought, because Americans do not like fighting overseas.
I have no doubt we could beat North Korea. The same reason I had no doubt that Iraq was never a threat. Our military has been unparalleled since WWII.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Oh I get it. The military would say "No, we can't deal with North Korea now, please wait a couple of years."
How many is 28,000 thousand, is it anything like 28,000 or 28 million?
The amount of troops is not the issue. The issue is America's willingness to engage in war. We have been lied into almost every war we have fought, because Americans do not like fighting overseas.
I have no doubt we could beat North Korea. The same reason I had no doubt that Iraq was never a threat. Our military has been unparalleled since WWII.

I’m not sure you do get it. It’s more like 90 days, at most, with a good amount of conventional force available to put on N. Korea probably within days.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/may/28/282045/n-korea-situation-doesnt-warrant-more-troops-defen/news-politics/

As for the 28,000, again, not the point. The obviously small number is a trigger force. If some number of our 28,000 were attacked by N Korea choosing to break the truce with combat action, and any substantial number of ours were killed or injured, I assure you the willingness to strike back hard would be clear and unequivocal. And, most important, our unparalleled military needs to remain so, indefinitely. Hence the term “lone superpower”.

[badmonkey]

We have been lied into almost every war we have fought, because Americans do not like fighting overseas.


Where do you get this crap?

[A.J.]

I love how people talk like anyone can predict what the hell a country run by a lunatic will do.

Especially when they get inside info from our diplomats on the ground there.

Oh, that's right....

[DolaMight]

this is the way I see it goin down:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f1/Tankwars-shot.jpg

the red part includes megadistrict duongdong

[Serpico1103]

CBS News: Bartlett: "Mission Accomplished" Banner Was My Fault
(http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/01/13/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4718462.shtml)
So it was suggested by the crew of the aircraft carrier and then signed off by an aid. The important part of this is that it wasn't even Bush's idea to have the "Mission Accomplished" banner. It came from the crew of the aircraft carrier. I know it sucks to have yet another myth destroyed for you, but have no fear... I'm sure it won't stop you from mentioning it again next time you need to trash Bush.

As for the use of the jet to land on the aircraft carrier for that speech...
You can't land Air Force One on an aircraft carrier.
He could have landed a helicopter
Who gives a shit?


I didn't think it was his idea. But it was someone that he is responsible for who approved it.
Here's a surprise. Most of the President's job is either approving other people's ideas, or entrusting them to run without supervision. However, in the end he is responsible for their actions.

It's not a big deal. Just a funny clip.
Or you can believe that I thought GWB printed up the banner and actually strung it up himself. However, to believe that you would have to ignore his illiteracy and complete lack of courage to climb up high enough to secure the banner.

What is sad is that while most of the actual party has abandoned GW, the little people still refuse to admit what a huge mistake he was.

[Serpico1103]

Where do you get this crap?

Mexican-American War- Mexico attacked without provocation
Spanish American War- Spanish mine sink USS Maine
WWI- Lusitania sinking
WWII- Pearl Harbor was a complete unprovoked surprise attack
Vietnam- Gulf of Tonkin
Grenada Invasion- to protect students
Iraq- Weapons of mass destruction that threaten our security

Not a complete list. I do not think the government lies maliciously, usually, it lies believing that the American public does not know what is best for itself.

We claim to fight for freedom and democracy, but it is almost always to expand and protect capitalist interests. We knew the holocaust was happening, did we enter the war?
We know genocide is almost constantly occurring somewhere in the world, but do we intervene? Rarely. However, when our commercial interests are threatened the military or the CIA is rather quick to get involved.
Its not a crazy idea, just simple truths.

[epo]

As for the use of the jet to land on the aircraft carrier for that speech...
You can't land Air Force One on an aircraft carrier.
He could have landed a helicopter
Who gives a shit?


Explain the suit. The former president was seriously playing the "cowboy" role; combine that with the ridiculousness of the situation (banner included) and that is why people will always make fun of "Mission Accomplished".

[badmonkey]

I didn't think it was his idea. But it was someone that he is responsible for who approved it.
Here's a surprise. Most of the President's job is either approving other people's ideas, or entrusting them to run without supervision. However, in the end he is responsible for their actions.

It's not a big deal. Just a funny clip.
Or you can believe that I thought GWB printed up the banner and actually strung it up himself. However, to believe that you would have to ignore his illiteracy and complete lack of courage to climb up high enough to secure the banner.

What is sad is that while most of the actual party has abandoned GW, the little people still refuse to admit what a huge mistake he was.

The banner was suggested by the crew of the aircraft carrier where he landed and gave that speech. It's been stated and ignored over and over that the banner was for that ship specifically whose mission was accomplished. A Bush aide signed off on it. The banner has since removed from the ship and has since been wrapped around dead horses and beaten routinely by people with nothing to add to a discussion.

Explain the suit. The former president was seriously playing the "cowboy" role; combine that with the ridiculousness of the situation (banner included) and that is why people will always make fun of "Mission Accomplished".

I just assumed that the flight suit had some purpose when you're in a fighter jet because I've never seen anybody get off of one wearing a business suit. Show me a picture of one and I bet it will seem more ridiculous.

[brettmojo]

The banner was suggested by the crew of the aircraft carrier where he landed and gave that speech. It's been stated and ignored over and over that the banner was for that ship specifically whose mission was accomplished. A Bush aide signed off on it.
Then it was his responsibility... Jesus fucking christ.

If someone who works for you fucks up, you're responsible because you're responsible for your workers. Even if he didn't know about it it's his responsibility to make sure that he knows about everything his aides approve of because when they approve something they do it on behalf of the him. I understand responsibility wasn't well practice during the Bush administration but it doesn't make it a non existing thing.

[Serpico1103]

Then it was his responsibility... Jesus fucking christ.

If someone who works for you fucks up, you're responsible because you're responsible for your workers. Even if he didn't know about it it's his responsibility to make sure that he knows about everything his aides approve of because when they approve something they do it on behalf of the him. I understand responsibility wasn't well practice during the Bush administration but it doesn't make it a non existing thing.

Wrong. Bush was not responsible for anything. You are to believe that an administration that manipulated the media through out its term somehow was taken advantage of by the crew of an aircraft carrier.
Had Bush been aware of the banner, he would have demanded that it be taken down, that the mission is not accomplished until every Iraqi shares in the freedom and democracy that we promised to bring. :dry:

Again, it's an embarrassing goof. It will be brought up forever, get used to it. If you slip and fall and no one sees, you get away with it. If you slip while holding a major news conference you will never live it down.

[badmonkey]

Then it was his responsibility... Jesus fucking christ.

If someone who works for you fucks up, you're responsible because you're responsible for your workers. Even if he didn't know about it it's his responsibility to make sure that he knows about everything his aides approve of because when they approve something they do it on behalf of the him. I understand responsibility wasn't well practice during the Bush administration but it doesn't make it a non existing thing.

Wrong. Bush was not responsible for anything. You are to believe that an administration that manipulated the media through out its term somehow was taken advantage of by the crew of an aircraft carrier.
Had Bush been aware of the banner, he would have demanded that it be taken down, that the mission is not accomplished until every Iraqi shares in the freedom and democracy that we promised to bring. :dry:

Again, it's an embarrassing goof. It will be brought up forever, get used to it. If you slip and fall and no one sees, you get away with it. If you slip while holding a major news conference you will never live it down.

I know it's generally considered poor form to quote yourself, but let me bold the part that your eyes keep getting drawn away from. Maybe this will save me having to type it again. Please put on your reading glasses or even have somebody read it out loud for you if you're struggling on the big words.

The banner was suggested by the crew of the aircraft carrier where he landed and gave that speech. It's been stated and ignored over and over that the banner was for that ship specifically whose mission was accomplished. A Bush aide signed off on it. The banner has since removed from the ship and has since been wrapped around dead horses and beaten routinely by people with nothing to add to a discussion.

If you still don't get it, refuse to get it, just have nothing to add to the conversation than Bush bashing, then by all means flog away. I would hate for you to stop posting in the political forums because I ruined your all future brilliant "Mission Accomplished" posts.

[brettmojo]

I know it's generally considered poor form to quote yourself, but let me bold the part that your eyes keep getting drawn away from. Maybe this will save me having to type it again. Please put on your reading glasses or even have somebody read it out loud for you if you're struggling on the big words.



If you still don't get it, refuse to get it, just have nothing to add to the conversation than Bush bashing, then by all means flog away. I would hate for you to stop posting in the political forums because I ruined your all future brilliant "Mission Accomplished" posts.
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[badmonkey]

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You can be sure none of my future posts will be anything remotely close to as idiotic as suggesting the president of the united states of America is powerless when it comes to banner hangings.

[badmonkey]

You can be sure none of my future posts will be anything remotely close to as idiotic as suggesting the president of the united states of America is powerless when it comes to banner hangings.

Dunno who suggested he was powerless over it but hey thanks for playing. Enjoy our parting gift. It's a new dead horse. This one's name is "Katrina".

Happy flogging...

Badmonkey

[SonOfSmeagol]

It’s an addiction, you see, this Bush-bashing. Kind of a giddy, emotional masturbation that once you start you just can’t stop. Have empathy for the suffering. Perhaps one day they’ll be a Bush Administration Memorial Museum in Wash DC, then the healing can start. All the Bush-bashers can march the Mall, and laugh and jeer and cry, and proclaim “Never Again!”. In the meantime, be understanding: it’s all they know.

[Serpico1103]

If you still don't get it, refuse to get it, just have nothing to add to the conversation than Bush bashing, then by all means flog away. I would hate for you to stop posting in the political forums because I ruined your all future brilliant "Mission Accomplished" posts.

You don't get it. The banner did not say "Mission accomplished for this ship." GW did not say the banner the represents this ship only.
So, the message sent was that the general mission was accomplished.
Sorry, if you do not understand that.
The actual meaning of the banner is secondary to the perceived message.
If bush's aide should have know the message that the banner would send, and have either asked for it to changed, or not flown at all. Otherwise, he did his job poorly, which AGAIN reflects on the president. UNDERSTAND????????????????????????????????????????

But yes, this is a minor issue compared to lying us into a war and either creating or doing nothing to stop our current economic slump.

And, I noticed how after calling my claim that we have been lied into many wars crap, which I then supported. You seem to have ignored it.

[badmonkey]

You don't get it. The banner did not say "Mission accomplished for this ship." GW did not say the banner the represents this ship only.
So, the message sent was that the general mission was accomplished.
Sorry, if you do not understand that.
The actual meaning of the banner is secondary to the perceived message.
If bush's aide should have know the message that the banner would send, and have either asked for it to changed, or not flown at all. Otherwise, he did his job poorly, which AGAIN reflects on the president. UNDERSTAND????????????????????????????????????????

But yes, this is a minor issue compared to lying us into a war and either creating or doing nothing to stop our current economic slump.

And, I noticed how after calling my claim that we have been lied into many wars crap, which I then supported. You seem to have ignored it.

Ignored it because it was more crap. You're becoming quite the dispenser.

[Serpico1103]

Ignored it because it was more crap. You're becoming quite the dispenser.

I hope you are young, otherwise you are stupid. If you do not believe we were lied into wars, you have no concept of our history or global events.

Sorry, what you are taught in school is crap. Here is another tidbit, we lied about our Indian wars too.

[badmonkey]

I hope you are young, otherwise you are stupid. If you do not believe we were lied into wars, you have no concept of our history or global events.

Sorry, what you are taught in school is crap. Here is another tidbit, we lied about our Indian wars too.

I'm not young and I'm far from stupid. If you would like to back up your "facts" with some sources, you might be taken seriously. You say we were "lied into" all those wars. Prove it.

[The Jays]

Here you go. (http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/16274)

[Serpico1103]

I'm not young and I'm far from stupid. If you would like to back up your "facts" with some sources, you might be taken seriously. You say we were "lied into" all those wars. Prove it.

Prove me wrong. I stated a fact. Do you deny the Gulf of Tonkin was a lie?
Do you deny that the Lusitania was carrying munitions?
Do you deny that we haven't found WMDs in Iraq?
Do you know anything about the USS Maine and the Spanish American War?
Sorry to hear you are not young, because you are dumb.

http://nojustcause.blogspot.com/2009/05/history-of-american-false-flag.html

This covers most of them. Refute them with your own facts.

[badmonkey]

Prove me wrong. I stated a fact. Do you deny the Gulf of Tonkin was a lie?
Do you deny that the Lusitania was carrying munitions?
Do you deny that we haven't found WMDs in Iraq?
Do you know anything about the USS Maine and the Spanish American War?
Sorry to hear you are not young, because you are dumb.

http://nojustcause.blogspot.com/2009/05/history-of-american-false-flag.html

This covers most of them. Refute them with your own facts.

References
Why the Pearl Harbor took place

Robert B. Stinnett: Day of Deceit: the Truth about FDR and Pearl Harbor, 2000
Mark Emerson Wiley: Pearl Harbour - mother of all conspiracies
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/pearl.html
Cordell Hull's Ultimatum to Japan

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/hullno26.html
What the US usually knew in advance (books)

Fredrick W. Winterbotham: The Ultra secret, 1974
Bradley F. Smith: The Ultra-Magic Deals, 1992
F.H.Hinsley: British Intelligence in the WW2 (4 large volumes), 1988
How to create innocent-looking wars

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/wars/
How wars are made

http://tacklingthetoughtopics.net/default.htm
Especially these items: World War 1, World War 2, Korean War, The Vietnam War
How to create distant future wars
The Best Enemy Money Can Buy by Antony C. Sutton
Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution by Antony C. Sutton
Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler by Antony C. Sutton
http://www.city-data.com/forum/attachments/elections/14922d1203442021-obama-illegals-share-same-message-n522306244_197290_3718.jpg

Please sit quietly and do not leave the building. They are sending help and for fuck's sake shiny side out!

[Serpico1103]

Please sit quietly and do not leave the building. They are sending help and for fuck's sake shiny side out!

Ok. I see you accept the infallibility of our government as fact. Hitting that wall, I admit defeat. I am incapable of helping you see the light. Post something from a legitimate site that refutes anything I have said. Of course, you can't and won't. I do not claim that FDR knew Japan was going to attack Pearl Harbor on that morning with such devastating effect. The government knew that we were forcing Japan into a corner and it would be forced to react. Not some grand conspiracy concocted by aliens, simple strategy. That is what happened in most of the other wars. We instigated an action, than claimed we were innocent victims.
It is the method Israel tries to use with Palestine. Israel builds houses in the buffer zone, when Palestine reacts, Israel rolls in tanks to "protect" itself.

[badmonkey]

Ok. I see you accept the infallibility of our government as fact. Hitting that wall, I admit defeat. I am incapable of helping you see the light. Post something from a legitimate site that refutes anything I have said. Of course, you can't and won't. I do not claim that FDR knew Japan was going to attack Pearl Harbor on that morning with such devastating effect. The government knew that we were forcing Japan into a corner and it would be forced to react. Not some grand conspiracy concocted by aliens, simple strategy. That is what happened in most of the other wars. We instigated an action, than claimed we were innocent victims.
It is the method Israel tries to use with Palestine. Israel builds houses in the buffer zone, when Palestine reacts, Israel rolls in tanks to "protect" itself.

Because the Illuminati wants it that way.

[Serpico1103]

Because the Illuminati wants it that way.

By Illuminati, if you mean the military-industrial-congressional complex, than we agree completely.

[SonOfSmeagol]

From http://nojustcause.blogspot.com/2009...alse-flag.html

A legitimate website?

“Without any evidence, the former CIA-asset, a Saudi-Arabian Osama bin Laden was claimed to be the mastermind behind the 9/11 strikes at the WTC and the Pentagon. Such a complex operation, if actually executed which it was not, in this case would be much beyond the capabilities of anything in Afghanistan. Only some top ten intelligence services in the world could hope to be successful in such an operation involving forgery, infiltration, living "underground" in a foreign non-Muslim country, coordination of moves, illegal arms, hi-quality flight training, accurate aircraft navigation in no-visibility conditions and so on. Perhaps even less, because the friends of the US (at that time, still most of the world) would also have been interested in stopping the attack."

"War Crimes; Lies, Deceit & Corruption" - oh my, oh no!!

And that’s just the one that stood out within 10 seconds.

[K.C.]

Reading this thread makes me wish I could go back in time and drop a nuke on my laptop preventing me from ever having started it.

How the hell can anyone blame any administration solely?

North Korea potentially getting to this point represents the failure of every administration from Eisenhower to Obama.

There's plenty of blame to go around. This is a failure of our foreign policy as a whole, as a country collectively.

[Serpico1103]

From http://nojustcause.blogspot.com/2009...alse-flag.html

A legitimate website?



If you notice I never referenced the 9/11 one. I didn't even read it. I found the website quickly, and it summarized all the wars that I referenced. Again, site any facts that dispute all the wars that I referenced.

I don't want to spend my time gathering information that is readily available. If you choose to not look, fine. But, do not place the burden of enlightening you on my shoulders.
Did we pressure Japan into war?
Was the Lusitania carrying munitions?
Was the USS Maine sunk by a boiler instead of a Spanish mine?
Was the Gulf of Tonkin misreported?
Are there questions about whether North Korea was really the "aggressor?"
Was GWB set on war in Iraq at all costs, WMDs or not?

I am not a conspiracy nut. The government lies to you today, even with all the information available on the internet. How easy was it to lie when information traveled by telegraph?

[SonOfSmeagol]

no matter, that one ridiculous entry renders that entire website - er...ridiculous. And looking at it further just bolsters that. btw the way you’re the one who said “lies” were the cause of those wars and it’s really up to you to prove that if you care to, not the other way around. And all those one liners about the "lies" that led to each war are just that - one liners. In brief, it sure seems like you think you would be sitting where you're at right now, doing what you doing, living the life you're living, had most (I will say most) of those wars not occurred. on "your" behalf I might add. And you're just plain wrong. That's MY hindsight.

[HBox]

Reading this thread makes me wish I could go back in time and drop a nuke on my laptop preventing me from ever having started it.

How the hell can anyone blame any administration solely?

North Korea potentially getting to this point represents the failure of every administration from Eisenhower to Obama.

There's plenty of blame to go around. This is a failure of our foreign policy as a whole, as a country collectively.

I blame MASH.

[Serpico1103]

no matter, that one ridiculous entry renders that entire website - er...ridiculous. And looking at it further just bolsters that. btw the way you’re the one who said “lies” were the cause of those wars and it’s really up to you to prove that if you care to, not the other way around. And all those one liners about the "lies" that led to each war are just that - one liners. In brief, it sure seems like you think you would be sitting where you're at right now, doing what you doing, living the life you're living, had most (I will say most) of those wars not occurred. on "your" behalf I might add. And you're just plain wrong. That's MY hindsight.

Who are right. I will just sit quietly and enjoy my leisurely life like a good citizen.

[styckx]

Heard about this during the opening of R&F. Finally got around to looking it up.

Whatcha think? Bluff? I really think NK is egging on the U.S. to make the first move so they can claim they were attacked first so they can do whatever they want to do.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iURO8fOyWVOA0ytFlaAGuC9F7R9wD98T2J2O0


SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — North Korea may fire a long-range ballistic missile toward Hawaii in early July, a Japanese news report said Thursday, as Russia and China urged the regime to return to international disarmament talks on its rogue nuclear program.

The missile, believed to be a Taepodong-2 with a range of up to 4,000 miles (6,500 kilometers), would be launched from North Korea's Dongchang-ni site on the northwestern coast, said the Yomiuri daily, Japan's top-selling newspaper. It cited an analysis by the Japanese Defense Ministry and intelligence gathered by U.S. reconnaissance satellites.

The missile launch could come between July 4 and 8, the paper said.

While the newspaper speculated the Taepodong-2 could fly over Japan and toward Hawaii, it said the missile would not be able to hit Hawaii's main islands, which are about 4,500 miles (7,200 kilometers) from the Korean peninsula.

[west milly Tom]

Heard about this during the opening of R&F. Finally got around to looking it up.

Whatcha think? Bluff? I really think NK is egging on the U.S. to make the first move so they can claim they were attacked first so they can do whatever they want to do.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iURO8fOyWVOA0ytFlaAGuC9F7R9wD98T2J2O0



I would hope that China talks them out of firing a missile towards Hawaii. The thing that throws me about NK is that I can not see lil' Kim's end game. It appears that he truly believes he is a god and he's just acting like a nut.

[boosterp]

I would hope that China talks them out of firing a missile towards Hawaii. The thing that throws me about NK is that I can not see lil' Kim's end game. It appears that he truly believes he is a god and he's just acting like a nut.

He is trying to milk the international community and Russia and China is it's only outlet for food and medicine. There is no real end game, just the thinking by the continued threats they can get their way. Luckily Obama refuses to budge so far.

[west milly Tom]

He is trying to milk the international community and Russia and China is it's only outlet for food and medicine. There is no real end game, just the thinking by the continued threats they can get their way. Luckily Obama refuses to budge so far.



My heart goes out to the two journalists he kidnapped, I hope we learned from our past rescue mistakes .

[pittphantoms]

I am starting to get very nervous about those crazy North Koreans. I really believe they are insane enough to attempt to attack us with Biological Weapons, or Nukes.

Recently I have read Neil Strauss' "Emergency", McCarthy's "The Road", and just watched season 1 and 2 of Jericho on Netflix... so that may be part of my overall concern... but I am very nervous KJI has finally gone crazy and wants his war.

Every time I hear KJI says something to the effect of, "If the US does this, we will consider it an act of war.." etc... I want to run to the store and buy some canned goods and a rifle.

[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, but it's North Korea.

[Snoogans]

Yeah, but it's North Korea.

11 HOLES IN ONE. DO NOT FUCK WITH KIM JONG

[Fallon]

As long as Jack Bauer is around I think we'll be okay.

[DolaMight]

kittens scares me.

[PapaBear]

Every time I hear KJI says something to the effect of, "If the US does this, we will consider it an act of war.." etc... I want to run to the store and buy some canned goods and a rifle.
I'm slightly more worried than I was when Mohamar Gaddafi drew his "line in the sand". And he ended up getting beat up by some guy named Chad.

[keithy_19]

NK talks big. And their leader has a big forhead.

We're fucked.

[TNABuffalo]

Threads like this make my head hurt , from both/either stupidity or bad sarcasm

[keithy_19]

Threads like this make my head hurt , from both/either stupidity or bad sarcasm

Mine contains both. YIKES.

[A.J.]

As long as Team America is round I think we'll be okay.

Fixed that for you.

[cougarjake13]

As long as team america is around I think we'll be okay.

Fixed that for you.



FUCK YEH !!!!