Fans Of The Ron And Fez Show

[Gvac]

Let's face it; we're a pretty diverse lot. Anyone who has read this board for awhile will tell you that we come from all walks of life, all parts of the globe, all age groups, all professions, all political ideologies, all spiritual beliefs, all races, etc. Sometimes it seems like the only thing we have in common is our love for this radio show.

As with any large and diverse group, there's always going to be differences of opinion and we certainly will find there are other members we just don't like. It's only human nature and that's to be expected. The one thing that has really been bothering me, however, is the combative nature some people have toward the very show they supposedly love.

Don't get me wrong; I don't think everyone should agree on every aspect of the show and I certainly don't think people shouldn't express themselves honestly about certain aspects of the show. I'll be the first one to post that a certain bit didn't work for me, for example. Going after the personal lives of the hosts and members of the show is another matter entirely. Attacking the personal lives of family members of the cast is completely out of bounds, and I don't think it should be tolerated.

I've always said that I don't think fan sites are a good place for radio personalities to hang out for just this reason. If you make yourself accessible to the fans and hang out with them like Ron and Fez do, you create a feeling of closeness and friendship. On the internet, unfortunately, it invites an entirely different breed. All of the cowards and frauds will come out to take shots at the talent because they're protected behind a wall of invisibility and anonymity.

It's a shame, but that's simply the way it is.

I wish people would simply ignore the "shock posters" and let their threads die rather than respond to them and give them the attention they crave, but that rarely happens.

The only other answer is to have some sort of policy that can be enforced as to what is off limits and what isn't.

I apologize for the length of this post, being a firm believer in the "less is more" philosophy, but it's something that's been bugging me for quite some time now.

Dave and Casey are REAL human beings. They're not characters on a TV show. They're young, struggling parents, with real problems and stress. Yes, Dave is a polarizing "love him or hate him" type character on the show. Yes, we should be free to debate his merits (or lack thereof) as far as the show goes, but to attack his wife and family in any way is disgusting, shameful, and embarrassing.

Try to keep the discussions logical and respectful, as passionate as you may be.

[PapaBear]

I read it all. Well said.

[mikeyboy]

Well said

[TheMojoPin]

Unfortunately, too few people will read that and take it to heart.

[santino]

well, maybe dave shouldn't make his personal life so fucking public then

[DiabloSammich]

ditto

Actually, that ditto is for Gvac's post, not for the idiot above me.

[KingGeno]

Do away with all the board characters. One account per person, and being lenient for the mobile people that use mobile posting accounts. It's pretty lame and really ridiculous. That's a good start.

[epo]

well, maybe dave shouldn't make his personal life so fucking public then

Maybe more people should respect the work he does and limit their complaints about his work to him.

I ditto Sammich's ditto.

[paulisded]

well, maybe dave shouldn't make his personal life so fucking public then

Ugh

[DiabloSammich]

Do away with all the board characters. One account per person, and being lenient for the mobile people that use mobile posting accounts. It's pretty lame and really ridiculous. That's a good start.



What does this have to do with personal attacks on Dave and Casey?



You'll take my board characters when you pry them away from my cold dead hands.

[DiabloSammich]

Maybe more people should respect the work he does and limit their complaints about his work to him.

I ditto Sammich's ditto.



ditto

[BlackSpider]

I agree 100% Gvac.
Fortunately for me, my own life is interesting enough that I don't have to spend my time worrying about how other people are living theirs...
I'm really sick of this bullshit...

[Kris10]

Nicely put, Gvac!

[CHUCKWAGONCOOK]

But the show was the first to air all of this out.

Right?

[epo]

ditto

Ditto.

No you hang up.

[Hottub]

I have the attention span greater than a 5 year old, and I must say;

Very well done, Greg!

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[Stuft]

But the show was the first to air all of this out.

Right?

Blech. I HATE that i have to agree w/ this. Gvac's post is spot on but i think that alot of people on these types of messageboards have to jump on the bandwagon. And Fez himself, the man we all love and half of the reason we're all here, started it!

[santino]

ditto

Actually, that ditto is for Gvac's post, not for the idiot above me.

go fuck yourself

[Kris10]

And Fez himself, the man we all love and half of the reason we're all here, started it!

Admit nothing!

[~Katja~]

Unfortunately, too few people will read that and take it to heart.
no, I think the people who will read it are the ones who already have the common sense to act sensible and understand the line between show and private life.

Sadly this also means it will not change any of the posters considered "shock posters" in gvac's post, as they are too ignorant to even want to realize that their actions are shameful.


That being said I still agree with his sentiments.

[JDE]

no, I think the people who will read it are the ones who already have the common sense to act sensible and understand the line between show and private life.

Sadly this also means it will not change any of the posters considered "shock posters" in gvac's post, as they are too ignorant to even want to realize that their actions are shameful.


That being said I still agree with his sentiments.


Exactly, for whatever reason there are people who are miserable people off the internet, and they decide to be total assholes on it, when in person they would never say things to people's faces they do in the privacy of their homes.

I used to be one of those people who would fight with the assholes, but it never led anywhere. It really just gets under your own skin if you allow it, so I think the best thing to do is if it is a known asshole, you simply ignore them. Now if it is someone new, you and everyone else in the community who try to keep it a nice fun place, you pound the shit out of them, and hope they realize what a fuckface they are being.


Good post Gvac.


Jason

[drjoek]

Mega dittos.

[Goatweed]

tldr

[WampusCrandle]

Well said

I have the attention span greater than a 5 year old, and I must say;

Very well done, Greg!

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oh boy, when the Mods start to agree with Gvac, there is something wrong.

Burn this place down.

[jauble]

Gvac is a hack, that is for certain. As far as his post is concerned, yeah get a hobby you avoiding your problems posters.

[West.Coast.Skippy]

although i haven't been here long, i've read enough of your posts to see that this one is, in part, the latest in a series where you challenge the mods for clearer rules of conduct. you're linking your hobbyhorse issue to the r&f zeitgeist- cunning.

i agree wholeheartedly that on air personalities and their close friends and family participating on the board is very volatile. other forums i've been in that have a 'celebrity presence' sequester him to his own sub forum that has much stricter rules (basically if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it), and they even make the star a co-mod of the sub forum.

as far as respecting personal boundaries of the celebrities, i don't think you can ask people to not talk about subjects in at least the same depth they're brought up on air. ron sets the example perfectly. don't bring it on air if it's private.

[Photoshop Mike]

I'm with yuh Gvac! %100

[hammersavage]

Too long for it to be totally truthful

[mikeyboy]

oh boy, when the Mods start to agree with Gvac, there is something wrong.

Burn this place down.

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Edit: Great. I made a reference no one under 35 will get.

[GameRelatedSig]

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Edit: Great. I made a reference no one under 35 will get.

It's a good thing I've seen that movie, or I'd have to assume you'd found a pic of Donald Sutherland getting a blow job.

And apparently not a very good one.

[PapaBear]

Edit: Great. I made a reference no one under 35 will get.
No worries. %34.79 (http://ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=80444) of the board will get it.

[WampusCrandle]

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Edit: Great. I made a reference no one under 35 will get.

don't worry, babe, I got you!

[RuntBug]

I apologize for the length of this post, being a firm believer in the "less is more" philosophy,


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So it's a good thing that I often forget to come visit the board? *sheepish grin*

Seriously... I've got enough drama in my life so if I miss out on some here... I think it's probably a good thing.

But perhaps it would be a nice thing to keep the families of personalities out of the tiffs?

Can't we all just get along?

*goes back to stupid personal dramatic life*

[IslandStorm]

I don't usually post often because I feel that if I don't have anything to say that will add to the conversation, then I will just drag it down. However, I would like to chime in on this topic.

What some people on this board have to realize is that there is an imaginary line where the show ends and real life begins. Once that imaginary line is crossed, you're dealing with real people, real feelings, and real lives.

We are priveleged, each day, to be given a glimpse into the lives of those on the show. Sometimes there are things presented that perhaps should not be brought on the air. In any case, I don't feel it's up to us, the listeners, who DO NOT know the stars personally (in most cases) to get involved in their affairs. Leave that to the talent themselves.

That being said, I was thinking today that, what if this is all a work? Fez is a huge wrestling fan and he is very familiar with the specifics of performing a work. How do we know he didn't put this together with Dave and Ron and they are playing all of us like a cheap violin? Perhaps it grew bigger and faster than they planned and it's now too difficult to bail on the bit? Won't those members of the board who have been so critical of those involved, feel silly and embarrassed for having done so if this turns out to be nothing more than a well orchestrated bit? After all...isn't that what good radio is all about? Well-planned bits that the listeners fall for, hook, line, and sinker!

Think about it....

Just my two cents worth......

My best to all...

Storm

[CruelCircus]

I agree with the spirit of what Gvac is trying to say, even if I don't agree 100% with it. We all should be generally more considerate of the fact that there are real people on the other side of the discussions- both on the air and on the board.

This is a Ron & Fez Show messageboard, and anything that's discussed on the show HAS to be fair game for debate and discussion. (Hence, a forum titled "Everything Ron & Fez.") I have to agree with those who are saying that if an issue is meant to be private, it won't be talked about on a live, international, radio show. If they talk about it, then so can we, even if it's uncomfortable. No one forces anyone to read any threads.

That said, there's a difference between discussion and personal attacks. People do need to think about who they are writing about when they post something. And if someone's going over the line, they need to be called out on it. I do NOT believe that is best achieved through any formal board policy. I think the best people to do that are our fellow Ron & Fez members, and that has been happening to an extent. I think Dave is off with his calls to "stomp all negativity," but there's nothing wrong with defending members of the show against members of the board.

There is another issue. I think that because a good number of people here know Dave & Casey personally, or feel like they do, or want to, there has been a great deal of overreaction to the discussion about Fez's comments. Some of the defenders are lashing out violently against people raising legitimate discussion. It is unfair to attack a poster who is simply discussing points raised in on-air discussion, no matter how much you like the people being discussed.

Like it or not, it is legitimate to discuss whether Fez is right or wrong, it is legitimate to discuss whether Fez has the right to share his thoughts, it is as legitimate to discuss off-air things that Dave (or Fez, Ron, etc...) brings to the air as it is when someone like MafiaLife Chris does it, and it is legitimate to come to conclusions about the on-air discussions based upon the statements made in those disussions.

One last point, the "it's a bit/it's a work", "Carnies & rubes", "they're just characters" and related comments are getting a bit tiresome. They have as much intellectual weight as the folks who pop into wrestling threads to inform everyone that it's all fake. Oh, REALLY??!?! Everyone knows we're listening to a radio show and that there could be some fiction at work. No one needs YOU, the Rube Police, to constantly remind us of that fact. All it does is show that you have nothing else substantiative to add to the discussion, but for some reason still felt the need to be heard.

All in all, this place is actually rather positive and supportive of the show, and of its fellow members. It's disappointing that it seems that the minority of negative points seem to stick out more than the majority of positive points, but I guess that's human nature to an extent.

Gold star if you read the whole thing...

[Gmann]

Sometimes it seems like the only thing we have in common is our love for this radio show.



And 98% of us are alcoholics.

[instrument]

I really like the radioshark.

[Foster]

I agree with Gvac's statement, but like some others already brought up, that particular subject was introduced on the show, by one of its hosts. You can't expect for that to happen and not have the reaction it did (knowing past history).

The Ron and Fez Show needs to take as much, if not more, of the responsibility of these issues as ronfez.net

[NewYorkDragons80]

Unfortunately, too few people will read that and take it to heart.

What'd you say about attacking Dave?

[DiabloSammich]

go fuck yourself



No.

[ToiletCrusher]

I have nothing more to add to this. I agree entirely with Gvac.

[Furtherman]

I wish people would simply ignore the "shock posters" and let their threads die rather than respond to them and give them the attention they crave, but that rarely happens.

This is what we have to do. And by "we", I mean the regulars to contribute. You know who you are.

If we ignore them they quickly fall back to page 2, then 3, then father back on any forum home page or Today's Posts page... then into obscurity, where they belong.

So it takes some discipline on our part.

Discipline which I have mastered, as I am typing this with my mind.

[jimmyolsenblues]

i think it says a lot that ron no longer reads ronfez.net because of the negativity.
As current point negativity does not improve the show.
I see positive threads crapped on all the time.
A board gets a rep it deserves.
I try to be positive.
If people just bash each other all day...the positive thinking fans just post less.
ron bennington is the best thing on radio...EVER.
he is extremely accessible and friendly in public, which is unheard of.
We are truly lucky to have Ron.

[yojimbo7248]

i think it says a lot that ron no longer reads ronfez.net because of the negativity.
As current point negativity does not improve the show.
I see positive threads crapped on all the time.
A board gets a rep it deserves.
I try to be positive.
If people just bash each other all day...the positive thinking fans just post less.
ron bennington is the best thing on radio...EVER.
he is extremely accessible and friendly in public, which is unheard of.
We are truly lucky to have Ron.

If this thread doesn't bring back Ron to this messageboard, I don't know what will.

[TjM]

And 98% of us are alcoholics.


That too

[spankyfrank]

I have read all the prior statements and I only have this to say....

We must unite against the common enemy!

THE KING OF KOOPAS!!!!!

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[drjoek]

One point to me is that when Ron or Dave and now Fez complains about this place being negative it always seems to center around times when there is "drama" on the air. (Dave v Fez and the pizza comes to mind) All this negativity of late seems to stem from the on air conflict between Fez and Dave that has been going on. This battle, for lack of a better term, has brought up the battle lines among posters and a fair number of trolls too of course.
For the on air talent to think that its unofficial site is not going to react the same way they are on air is delusional.
If they wanted most of this negativity to stop they didnt need to turn the first hour of the show into a continuation of the fight yesterday. If those are real interpersonal issues ,handle them off the air if you dont want them brought up here. If they bring it up and hash it out on the air, be it a bit or not, how are we the posters to react?
Ron and Dave are allowed to chose sides but we the listeners aren't?
What are we expected to do, post how great this battle on air is, so as to not be "negative"?
I will gladly listen to the on air staff meetings as these shows tend to be, in lieu of actual show prep, but to expect us ALL to applaud, like we're GAZ that "everything about it great!!!" I dont see the need.

I will support the fact that the personal attacks on Casey are 100% out of line. That shit truely sucks

[ANC]

Gvac, I couldn't have put it better myself.

Excellent post, well said.

:clap:

[EliSnow]

I think at some times the line between a personal attack and a comment on the character on a show is somewhat blurry, but negative comments about ESD's wife and kids clearly are personal attacks. Just because ESD mentions them on the show doesn't give anyone the right to attack them. Casey and the kids are not on the show.

[Dude!]

well, maybe dave shouldn't make his personal life so fucking public then

i agree with gvac
but also agree with santino
a man's job is to protect
his family

ronfez.net shouldn't take shots
at ESD's family
but ESD shouldn't put so much out there

[disneyspy]

i agree with gvac on the family thing,just because some of us on the board might say something about our family doesnt mean we are opening them up for attack,personal attacks on family members of posters doesnt fly here and neither should the show members family.i think the line we have to draw is do we ignore stupid negative posts or voice our opinion on such,thats a personal choice

[RhinoinMN]

Gvac for Admin!

[CruelCircus]

i agree with gvac on the family thing,just because some of us on the board might say something about our family doesnt mean we are opening them up for attack,personal attacks on family members of posters doesnt fly here and neither should the show members family.i think the line we have to draw is do we ignore stupid negative posts or voice our opinion on such,thats a personal choice

I think we draw a line between on the air and on the board. Attacking posters' families is a completely different issue than this conversation. And again, discussing people that come up on the air is NOT equivalent to attacking them, we can't be knee-jerk protective.

I think at some times the line between a personal attack and a comment on the character on a show is somewhat blurry, but negative comments about ESD's wife and kids clearly are personal attacks. Just because ESD mentions them on the show doesn't give anyone the right to attack them. Casey and the kids are not on the show.

Ron joked on the air that Julianna might be learning disabled. Would it be an attack if someone posted here that "Ron's Julianna joke was funny"? No, it would be a comment on an on-air bit.

[EliSnow]

Ron joked on the air that Julianna might be learning disabled. Would it be an attack if someone posted here that "Ron's Julianna joke was funny"? No, it would be a comment on an on-air bit.

Right. My point was that comments about the family are off limits. The example you used is a comment about Ron's joke. It's not a comment about Julianna.

[disneyspy]

I think we draw a line between on the air and on the board. Attacking posters' families is a completely different issue than this conversation. And again, discussing people that come up on the air is NOT equivalent to attacking them, we can't be knee-jerk protective.



Ron joked on the air that Julianna might be learning disabled. Would it be an attack if someone posted here that "Ron's Julianna joke was funny"? No, it would be a comment on an on-air bit.

thank you mr obvious,how did you go from my post to this?

[Melk]

I relistened to the original Fez rant, and I have two thoughts:

1) Fez was kidding.

and

2) Why is it hilarious to imply that an infant is retarded but horrible to suggest that a grown woman is lazy?

[hydee]

Gvac, I agree with what you posted, I really do but this has to extent further then just Casey and Dave. There have been some vicious attacks on Fez for some time here that have left me with my mouth hanging open wondering why a ban hasn't been given.

[IslandStorm]

And now I know why I have posted less than 10 times on the board...even though I have read it every day for months and months.

The one sincere thought I posted was met with me basically being called a rube. Nice.

Perhaps Ron has something when he says he doesn't read the board due to the negativity. It seems that when one makes a rare and sincere post, it's ridiculed. I listen to Ron & Fez to laugh and brighten my day....but for some reason, when I read the forums, I get the opposite effect.

Maybe that's something we should all think about. We listen to a comedy show so we can be negative about it on the boards? Perhaps that is one of the most telling points we should be looking at....not what goes on in the private lives of the talent.

Let he who is perfect cast the first stone.......good words to live by....especially on RonFez.net

I thank all of the people who take time and care in posting some very enjoyable topics and points....but it seems you're quickly getting outnumbered by the "attention-whores" who want to start crap and keep shit going for as long as they can....and it's getting really tiresome to read.

Don't let my low post count fool you...I have been reading for a long time...previously under a different name...but I abandoned that account for a new name. I rarely post...and I think my posts might become even more rare now as this type of discussion is becoming really old....really quickly.

I'll continue to read...for now.....but, to be honest, the discussions here are ruining my love of the show...and I don't want that to happen. I pay for XM solely for Ron & Fez and I'll be damned if I am going to let a percentage of "negative nellies" ruin the show for me.

My best to all who don't bring negativity to the boards.....and to those who do...and you know who you are....have a good look in the mirror before you start attacking the personal lives of others.

Just my two cents worth...take it or leave it....I'm sure the negative people will jump all over me and bash me.....and they will, by doing so, prove my point for me.

Cheers!

Storm

[Gvac]

The one thing Dave and Fez agreed on all week was how awful this site has become because of a few posters who have run roughshod all over it.

The one thing I'd like to see is a healthy sense of respect for the Ron and Fez Show members' personal lives.

[IMSlacker]

It's too late. We're all getting stomped and fucked. Everybody take a number.

[yojimbo7248]

It's too late. We're all getting stomped and fucked. Everybody take a number.

since both Dave and Fez will be doing this, it will be interesting to see how they divvy up the fucking and stomping. My guess Dave does the fucking, Fez the stomping.

[Caseyelan]

since both Dave and Fez will be doing this, it will be interesting to see how they divvy up the fucking and stomping. My guess Dave does the fucking, Fez the stomping.

I'll do the clotting!!!!

[Serpico1103]

Gvac for Admin!

I think Mikeyboy has offered him and others several chances at modship, but they have turned it down, preferring to keep RF.net on a steady course.

[CruelCircus]

Right. My point was that comments about the family are off limits. The example you used is a comment about Ron's joke. It's not a comment about Julianna.

And I agree with you.
However, I think some posters seem to have taken the position that says a comment such as in the example is an attack itself. That is what I (and now you) was disagreeing with.

[CruelCircus]

thank you mr obvious,how did you go from my post to this?

I went to that because you tried to equate posters and on-air staff members, and I believe that be a false analogy. Whatever our policy on attacking fellow posters and their families, it is and should be completely independent of whatever convention we set for the on-air people. One really has nothing to do with the other, and by trying to tie them together, you unfairly attempt to limit the bounds of the posters here to discuss the show itself.

Plus, I feel personally attacked by your characterization of me as Mr. Obvious. :glurps:

[silks]

Well said, Gvac.

[dropinbro]

yo everyone.....just wanted to introduce myself and this seemed like the best option. I have been listening five days a week since the guys started on xm and have called a few times. I have lurked on this board for a while and am a fan of a number of you. Looking forward to spending massive amounts of time on here I should be spending doing something else or working. Hello.
-Geoff

p.s. please be easy on me...its my first post

[PapaBear]

p.s. please be easy on me...its my first post
JERK!!!


Kidding. Welcome, Geoff!

[weekapaugjz]

yo everyone.....just wanted to introduce myself and this seemed like the best option. I have been listening five days a week since the guys started on xm and have called a few times. I have lurked on this board for a while and am a fan of a number of you. Looking forward to spending massive amounts of time on here I should be spending doing something else or working. Hello.
-Geoff

p.s. please be easy on me...its my first post

ahh. the joys of the internetz.

[grlNIN]

I apologize for the length of this post, being a firm believer in the "less is more" philosophy...

hahaha