Is Hottub An Overbearing Mod?

[Gvac]

This poll is being put up because it was requested by Hottub and Marc with a c.

Hottub asked that it be put in the "That's Life" forum so there would be serious responses only.

The poll is also private, meaning no one can see which way you voted.

Vote honestly and only once please, as per mikeyboy's request. No board characters.

Thanks.

[Suspect Chin]

Not that it really matters, but don't you think the moderators have a way of seeing how people voted?

[Friday]

sometimes he is quick to the trigger... but as someone who has been a victim of personal bullshit on this board, i appreciate this quality in any mod. and i think on this particular board ... less tolerance for attacks is a good thing.

but from time to time he does stand by and let some fucked up shit happen.
most people have not paid witness to this side of tub. but i have.

so, once again, i vote 'none of the above'.

[mikeyboy]

Not that it really matters, but don't you think the moderators have a way of seeing how people voted?

Maybe, but I haven't figured it out yet.

[IMSlacker]

I think Hottub's alright.

Is this all because of the striker thread yesterday?

[Gvac]

I think Hottub's alright.

Is this all because of the striker thread yesterday?

Honestly? No.

It's been a complaint by some for quite some time, myself included.

I don't dislike Tub as a person, but I do think sometimes he oversteps his boundaries and isn't consistent.

It's one of the reasons I suggested the whole term limits idea. I think it's only natural that after a long time some mods will play favorites, consciously or not, and apply different standards to different posters.

[topless_mike]

no, i think he's in on most of the jokes, but steps up when shit gets thick.
he's not trigger happy, either, or not that i've seen (or really care)

shit, at least he does something.

[Suspect Chin]

Honestly? No.

It's been a complaint by some for quite some time, myself included.

I don't dislike Tub as a person, but I do think sometimes he oversteps his boundaries and isn't consistent.

It's one of the reasons I suggested the whole term limits idea. I think it's only natural that after a long time some mods will play favorites, consciously or not, and apply different standards to different posters.

Maybe we should extend your idea that show members should not post here to the Moderators. Just have them stay out of it entirely and if a thread gets locked or someone gets banned, it will be as if it was done by the invisible hand of god.

[Sue_Bender]

I don't think he's a bad mod...

just a snobbish ass.

Unjustified and boring.

Bland even.

[WampusCrandle]

I think he is doing a fine job. I don't really recognize half of what the Mods do, because I don't pay attention, I'm sure they do some jobs O.K. Is there some major problem with Hottub being a Mod? Is he drunk with power?

[TheMojoPin]

It's one of the reasons I suggested the whole term limits idea. I think it's only natural that after a long time some mods will play favorites, consciously or not, and apply different standards to different posters.

I really don't see how new mods wouldn't be subject to the same subjectivity. The only way to avoid that would be to give modships to brand new posters before they "know" anyone, otherwise anyone who steps into it is going to be doing it subjectively. It's just human nature, and you have to work with it as best you can.

[ToiletCrusher]

I like Tubby.

[Annie Waits]

where is the pimb option?

[joeybags]

i wonder how sink is going to vote

[sink]

Honestly? I do think sometimes he oversteps his boundaries and isn't consistent.


Bingo

Trolls can be ignored, overbearing mods can't, they just fuck up the vibe of a board.

[burrben]

no, not really

[EliSnow]

Maybe we should extend your idea that show members should not post here to the Moderators. Just have them stay out of it entirely and if a thread gets locked or someone gets banned, it will be as if it was done by the invisible hand of god.

Then you better be prepared to start paying for membership to this board, because the only way you'll have people agree to moderate this board if they can't post with others here is to pay them.

[RoseBlood]

I really don't see how new mods wouldn't be subject to the same subjectivity. The only way to avoid that would be to give modships to brand new posters before they "know" anyone, otherwise anyone who steps into it is going to be doing it subjectively. It's just human nature, and you have to work with it as best you can.

This ^^^

There is no perfect resolution. Bringing in some fresh faces and new ideas would be beneficial, however, don't underestimate what the veterans can offer. A relatively new poster who becomes a mod too quickly won't know the history and rapport many posters have with each other. They won't be able to differenciate between two friends ripping into each other vs. posters who genuinely hate each other or just trolls attempting to cause shit by attacking.

[conman823]

I really don't see how new mods wouldn't be subject to the same subjectivity. The only way to avoid that would be to give modships to brand new posters before they "know" anyone, otherwise anyone who steps into it is going to be doing it subjectively. It's just human nature, and you have to work with it as best you can.

I would gladly accept this burden to test the theory.

[dino_electropolis]

Then you better be prepared to start paying for membership to this board, because the only way you'll have people agree to moderate this board if they can't post with others here is to pay them.

Eh, not really.

The Moderators should just be anonymous.

Something gets to hairy, boom, anonymous mod takes action...without public apologies, explanations, etc.

The banned person gets an IM sayin you violated policy, banned for 2 days, or whatever....

YOU and mikeyboy could still post here, and still be mods, but no one will know that.

But i know how hard it might be for you guys to surrender the fame and notortiety that comes with being King Shit here on the boards.

[EliSnow]

Eh, not really.

The Moderators should just be anonymous.

Something gets to hairy, boom, anonymous mod takes action...without public apologies, explanations, etc.

The banned person gets an IM sayin you violated policy, banned for 2 days, or whatever....

YOU and mikeyboy could still post here, and still be mods, but no one will know that.

But i know how hard it might be for you guys to surrender the fame and notortiety that comes with being King Shit here on the boards.

First, I was responding to a proposal where moderators don't get to be posters. Not where they are kept anonymous. So your post has a completely different topic. And yes, I don't think any of the moderators would still moderate if they coudln't post here.

Second, as to your idea, most of the time, people don't know for certain who bans who anyway, unless the moderator admits it or there is some exchange that shows it. And sometimes, they ask who did it and why so that they can figure out the rationale.

Third, we really don't care about the fame or notoriety. It's mostly a pain in the ass.

In the end, your proposal would be even worse than what is complained about now. If other posters get to be moderators and take actions against people here, I think the other posters have a right to know who did it and why. If that information is kept anonymous, you'd get more complaining, etc. And probably rightfully so.

[Furtherman]

I'm not emotionally involved enought to care what any mod is doing. They're there if I need help, and that's great.

They want to stop douchebaggery... more power to 'em.

[RoseBlood]

Second, as to your idea, most of the time, people don't know for certain who bans who anyway, unless the moderator admits it or there is some exchange that shows it. And sometimes, they ask who did it and why so that they can figure out the rationale.

In the end, your proposal would be even worse than what is complained about now. If other posters get to be moderators and take actions against people here, I think the other posters have a right to know who did it and why. If that information is kept anonymous, you'd get more complaining, etc. And probably rightfully so.

Agreed.. moderating without posting privledges would just lead to having to pay for this site.

And I'm completely against anonymous moderators. I think it would lead to more of this so called abuse of power. Mods would be able to ban/edit/infract left and right without having to answer to "the people" or justify their actions, which they should have too if questioned.

[dino_electropolis]

First, I was responding to a proposal where moderators don't get to be posters. Not where they are kept anonymous. So your post has a completely different topic. And yes, I don't think any of the moderators would still moderate if they coudln't post here.

Second, as to your idea, most of the time, people don't know for certain who bans who anyway, unless the moderator admits it or there is some exchange that shows it. And sometimes, they ask who did it and why so that they can figure out the rationale.

Third, we really don't care about who the fame or notoriety. It's mostly a pain in the ass.

In the end, your proposal would be even worse than what is complained about now. If other posters get to be moderators and take actions against people here, I think the other posters have a right to know who did it and why. If that information is kept anonymous, you'd get more complaining, etc. And probably rightfully so.

Yeah, you'll def get more complaining....about the faceless mods and big brother and what not....but you wouldnt have to deal with it....b/c the mods, after all, would be anonymous.

I think, in the end, if the Mods were unknown, there would be more of a unified "anti-moderator" mentality among the members, rather than the divisive shit thats been going on of late.

Ultimately, you would retain the power to keep things proper, without having to address every complaint or be the subject of attacks.

Just a suggestion.

[EliSnow]

Yeah, you'll def get more complaining....about the faceless mods and big brother and what not....but you wouldnt have to deal with it....b/c the mods, after all, would be anonymous.

I think, in the end, if the Mods were unknown, there would be more of a unified "anti-moderator" mentality among the members, rather than the divisive shit thats been going on of late.

Ultimately, you would retain the power to keep things proper, without having to address every complaint or be the subject of attacks.

Just a suggestion.


So it's better if there was a unified anti-moderator mentality, as opposed to some who have that feeling, and others who don't have that feeling? That's not better for anyone.

Ultimately, I don't think that's a good idea for the board or the posters here. The mods are not just here to be "the hand of God" who ban people for doing stuff wrong.

And personally, I wouldn't think much of myself if I banned someone and, when the question is asked about who did it, keep quiet. If I do something, I'll admit it if people ask and face whatever consequences there are.

[Suspect Chin]

Third, we really don't care about the fame or notoriety. It's mostly a pain in the ass.



So why be a moderator in the first place? You claim not to enjoy the fame and you said you don't get paid, so it must be for the power.

[dino_electropolis]

So it's better if there was a unified anti-moderator mentality, as opposed to some who have that feeling, and others who don't have that feeling? That's not better for anyone.

Ultimately, I don't think that's a good idea for the board or the posters here. The mods are not just here to be "the hand of God" who ban people for doing stuff wrong.

And personally, I wouldn't think much of myself if I banned someone and, when the question is asked about who did it, keep quiet. If I do something, I'll admit it if people ask and face whatever consequences there are.

You are a better man than i, sir.

[EliSnow]

So why be a moderator in the first place? You claim not to enjoy the fame and you said you don't get paid, so it must be for the power.

As someone else said, it's not really that much power.

Mostly, I did it to assist the board and people here. I think there are ways that I can be helpful and I try to be as much as I can.

Remember mods do more than just banning regular posters and causing huge controversies. It's what gets the most "publicity" and if I never had to do it, I'd be happy.

EDIT: I'm not sure I said I didn't claim to enjoy the fame at all. I said it was more of a pain in the ass than enjoying the fame and notoriety. I do enjoy being a mod, and it feeds my ego a bit. I won't lie about that.

[Suspect Chin]

As someone else said, it's not really that much power.

Mostly, I did it to assist the board and people here. I think there are ways that I can be helpful and I try to be as much as I can.

Remember mods do more than just banning regular posters and causing huge controversies. It's what gets the most "publicity" and if I never had to do it, I'd be happy.

What else do you do that we don't know about? I'm honestly not trying to stir up trouble here, but I think that if you tell us some of the things you do behind the scenes, we might appreciate you a little more.

[RoseBlood]

What else do you do that we don't know about? I'm honestly not trying to stir up trouble here, but I think that if you tell us some of the things you do behind the scenes, we might appreciate you a little more.

They "sticky" the threads.. ewww.

[Furtherman]

What else do you do that we don't know about?

Occasionally Eli brings me warm milk and reads me a bedtime story.

[EliSnow]

What else do you do that we don't know about? I'm honestly not trying to stir up trouble here, but I think that if you tell us some of the things you do behind the scenes, we might appreciate you a little more.

I don't know if we do things that people don't know about. I think most people probably know everything we do, it's just the banning of trolls or people for personnel attacks or lockgin threads that gets most of the attention.

We merge duplicate threads or move threads to better forums. We may assist people in dealing with their profiles, etc. after they saved things. For instance, changing their username or e-mail address linked to the account. If someone asks for something from the show log or wonders where an old thread is, while anyone can help, the mods really should be the ones to help.

And as for the the banning, most of the banning done isn't seen. It's banning of spammers before or after they spam the board, and removing the threads. I don't think a lot of people realize how much of that happens.

[EliSnow]

Occasionally Eli brings me warm milk and reads me a bedtime story.

He doesn't say his prayers before bed, that bad boy!

[PD]

How someone does as a moderator is not related to how they are as a poster/human being.

I can disagree with how someone does one thing and still like how they do the other.

the idea of anonymous moderators is nonsense.

One thing I don't know- do the mods here have a board wide general philosophy that they try to keep to, or does everyone do their own thing?

[Gvac]

One thing I don't know- do the mods here have a board wide general philosophy that they try to keep to, or does everyone do their own thing?

Aha!

Therein lies the rub!

Each one moderates as they see fit, with no set rules or standards. That's the problem I (and MANY other posters, to be honest) have.

What's fine by one mod's standards is completely out of line to another.

We've had numerous instances where one mod will actively participate in a thread, seemingly having no problem with it, then another will come along and lock it.

It's confounding and confusing.

[styckx]

Yes... Reminds me of a cross between SOS and Sinn Fein/Hoagie

As far as the others. I've heard complaints about EliSnow, but I have never seen it and I'm not exactly a saint around here at times. Hottub seems to go out of his way to find trouble, while others, they may see a potential shitty situation arising in a thread, but wait it out to see if it goes full retard before jumping in.

[drjoek]

Yes... Reminds me of a cross between SOS and Sinn Fein/Hoagie

As far as the others. I've heard complaints about EliSnow, but I have never seen it and I'm not exactly a saint around here at times. Hottub seems to go out of his way to find trouble, while others, they may see a potential shitty situation arising in a thread, but wait it out to see if it goes full retard before jumping in.

I think that assumption is only based on the fact that he seems to be around here more than most of the other Mods
Hottub does a good job keeping order here and i dont think he goes overboard


He is a creep BUT that doesnt affect his modship

[zildjian361]

Hot Tub has alway's been helpful to me , puttin up pics i don't know how to do, way before i even met him. wouldn't even ban me on the Night of 1000 bans. dig Johnny:thumbup:

[Drunky McBetidont]

this really should be renamed hottub appreciation thread. he helped me get over the hump on more than one occasion. he is aces in my book.:clap:

[BostonIdol]

I don't post a lot here, but I have read far more threads where Hottub locks something down for seemingly no reason than I have all the other mods combined. I don't remember looking at decisions made by other mods and not understanding why something happens.

Edit: Put me in for term limits for mods. Switch them up every six months.

[TheMojoPin]

Eh, not really.

The Moderators should just be anonymous.

Something gets to hairy, boom, anonymous mod takes action...without public apologies, explanations, etc.

The banned person gets an IM sayin you violated policy, banned for 2 days, or whatever....

YOU and mikeyboy could still post here, and still be mods, but no one will know that.

But i know how hard it might be for you guys to surrender the fame and notortiety that comes with being King Shit here on the boards.

Actually, I agree somewhat with this. The Cubs board I go to has a ton of traffic, so they have a large moderation staff, but the actual bannings are handled by an account that exists ONLY to take care of those kinds of matters. He/she is never seen participating otherwise. It's incredibly effective. I'd actually prefer something like that.

[mikeyboy]

Actually, I agree somewhat with this. The Cubs board I go to has a ton of traffic, so they have a large moderation staff, but the actual bannings are handled by an account that exists ONLY to take care of those kinds of matters. He/she is never seen participating otherwise. It's incredibly effective. I'd actually prefer something like that.

MOD THE BAN HAMSTER!!!!!!!!

[TheMojoPin]

MOD THE BAN HAMSTER!!!!!!!!

They go with the cheesy "Modzilla," but damn, when he shows up, shit gets DROPPED.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Actually, I agree somewhat with this. The Cubs board I go to has a ton of traffic, so they have a large moderation staff, but the actual bannings are handled by an account that exists ONLY to take care of those kinds of matters. He/she is never seen participating otherwise. It's incredibly effective. I'd actually prefer something like that.

In your 8+ years here, that's probably the most brilliant thing you've said, fucko.

[TheMojoPin]

In your 8+ years here, that's probably the most brilliant thing you've said, fucko.

Well, I never.

[sr71blackbird]

I think he is fine.

[sr71blackbird]

Carter is the wild one.

[Fez4PrezN2008]

I have NOOOOOOOOO problem with the Tub. He has always been fair and nice to me.

[red_red_red]

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[Friday]

Yes... Reminds me of a cross between SOS and Sinn Fein/Hoagie

As far as the others. I've heard complaints about EliSnow, but I have never seen it and I'm not exactly a saint around here at times. Hottub seems to go out of his way to find trouble, while others, they may see a potential shitty situation arising in a thread, but wait it out to see if it goes full retard before jumping in.

be honest...
you're just bitter 'cause we can't post uncut cock pics here. :wink:

[styckx]

be honest...
you're just bitter 'cause we can't post uncut cock pics here. :wink:

Well.. Then there is that.

[Dougie Brootal]

no and this is so ridiculous i cant even laugh. all this crying and bitching needs to stop. you guys suck.

[underdog]

no and this is so ridiculous i cant even laugh. all this crying and bitching needs to stop. you guys suck.

Dougie has been angry lately. I love it.

[Goatweed]

Tub needs a vacation from the LOCK THREAD button for a while - nice guy but way too quick to prevent a "problem".

I've never been a fan of locking threads (except Flea's because he sucks and it bothered him so I locked his all the time) because most times threads will work themselves out and/or get forgotten.

Just let the threads play out and let the members be members. Mods should keep the board moving and not act like Big Brother and come swooping in when two people call each other assholes or something.

That's my opinion at least. It works on ftb, it worked (mostly) on oa.net, it worked on cdih - locking/deleting posts/handing out vacations for non-conformity to "board policy" is what Wackbag does best...

Most people know each other off the board anyway so if there are issues that arise from some bad words between posts they'll work it out at the next bar hang or whatever.

[drjoek]

Dougie has been angry lately. I love it.



Dougie is Fez??

[dino_electropolis]

Actually, I agree somewhat with this. The Cubs board I go to has a ton of traffic, so they have a large moderation staff, but the actual bannings are handled by an account that exists ONLY to take care of those kinds of matters. He/she is never seen participating otherwise. It's incredibly effective. I'd actually prefer something like that.

Mojo agreeing with something i posted????


This place really IS falling apart.

[zildjian361]

no and this is so ridiculous i cant even laugh. all this crying and bitching needs to stop. you guys suck.

suck this Hottub is my dude:smoke::drunk:

[3Setsof10]

What are the odds he locks this one?

[Sarge]

No problem with Tub.

[TNABuffalo]

There would be an outcry, but if he locked this I would laugh my fucking ass off. (and I am not a fan of his)

Now that would work for him

[Stuft]

Moderator wise, there are certainly worse - i.e. ones that don't even log on -at least tub is INVOLVED.


But gawd damn...oof! the hairrrrrrrrrr!

[fezident]

I have to be honest here for a minute,
I've been coming here for several years and I gotta say, I've never truly felt the presence of the mods. I view them as any other budday.

Maybe I'm not using the board "properly". I never get personal with anybody. Occasionally spar with some of you here & there but, I don't get all "Hey, listen you stupidass motherfucker...." with any you.

I sincerely don't care what my modquote is.
I'm here for the pop culture stuff, the jokery, and the crazyass random tangents. (Wolf Shirt!)

I can't think of one instance where I thought to myself "fuckin' mods."

[A.J.]

Creepy? Absolutely. Overbearing? No.

[joeybags]

What are the odds he locks this one?

if i post a picture from my goat shower cam it will be an instant lock

[mikeyboy]

if i post a picture from my goat shower cam it will be an instant lock

I'll lock that myself and add "No anteater pics" to the FAQ.

[zildjian361]

He doesn't say his prayers before bed, that bad boy!

stop yelling youass

[sink]

I'll lock that myself and add "No anteater pics" to the FAQ.

That's tempting

[Marc with a c]

I'll lock that myself and add "No anteater pics" to the FAQ.

it's unseasonably warm for february don't you think?

[mikeyboy]

it's unseasonably warm for february don't you think?

Can I lob you any more softballs tonight?

[spot]

In my opinion, he's doing his best and trying to be fair.

[Marc with a c]

In my opinion, he's doing his best and trying to be fair.

nobody wants to hear your butt opinions.

[sink]

about 50% think he is overbearing, good enough for me, he is a cock docker, lock it up and add that FQA stat.

[spot]

nobody wants to hear your butt opinions.I'll leave "butt opinions" to the expert, namely you.

[disneyspy]

i think he bears about right except when we regular posters are havin alittle fun and shit gets locked,thats kind of too bearin



http://i44.tinypic.co

[sink]

Damn, somebody is fast.

[Marc with a c]

I'll leave "butt opinions" to the expert, namely you.

i like little ones.

[thepaulo]

What are the odds he locks this one?

Lock it down.

[mikeyboy]

i like little ones.

...underage?

[Jughead]

Creepy Creepster....:smoke: