J.D. Salinger

[thepaulo]

I just read Catcher In The Rye and Franny and Zooey this month.
My knd of books.

Salinger sues over Rye 'sequel'

JD Salinger has not published a book in decades
Author JD Salinger is taking legal action to block the publication of a book billed as a follow-up to his classic novel The Catcher in the Rye.

According to legal papers filed in New York, the 90-year-old's lawyers called the book a "rip-off pure and simple".

60 Years Later: Coming Through the Rye features someone similar to Holden Caulfield from Salinger's work, which he says only he is able to use.

The reclusive author has previously refused filming rights for his story.

'Insane'

He has taken legal action to protect his copyright on previous occasions, but has never appeared in court.

The writer of the sequel uses the name John David California, but refused to give his real name when contacted by the Associated Press news agency.

The man, who lives in Sweden, called the legal action "a little bit insane", and added: "To me, this is a story about an old man. It's a love story, a story about an author and his character."

"I did not mean to cause him any trouble," he added in reference to Salinger, who is also pursuing undisclosed damages.

Along with California, London-based publisher Windupbird is cited in court documents, along with Swedish publisher Nicotext and California-based SCB Distributors.

The novel, which is dedicated to Salinger, is due to be published in the UK later this summer and in the US later in the year.

The Catcher in the Rye, first published in 1951, is a tale of adolescent alienation and has become one of the most influential American novels of the modern era.

[jennysmurf]

Why do some people think that everything needs a sequel? Leave Holden Caufield alone!

http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:FF2qQrC9gBKPsM:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/06/Crocker1.JPG

[bobrobot]

The Catcher in the Rye: The New Loaf

The Catcher in the Seedless Rye

The Pitcher in the Rye

So many possibilities!!!

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/brainiac/salingercatcher.JPG

[Recyclerz]

I don't know if we can trust you around Salinger, Paul O. :unsure:

Just remember when you are drinking that it is never a perfect day for Bananafish.





For those of you who are slightly better adjusted than Paul O, Salinger's short stories & novellas about the Glass family leave CITR in the dust.

[PapaBear]

For those of you who are slightly better adjusted than Paul O, Salinger's short stories & novellas about the Glass family leave CITR in the dust.
I concur.

[ecobag2]

as well as 8 others... they're called 9 stories.

they come 2nd in line after catcher.

Enjoy.

[jennysmurf]

as well as 8 others... they're called 9 stories.

they come 2nd in line after catcher.

Enjoy.

I shall pick that one up tomorrow. I've only read Catcher and Franny and Zooey.

[PapaBear]

I shall pick that one up tomorrow. I've only read Catcher and Franny and Zooey.
YAY!!! Jenny's going to have a great day tomorrow!!!:clap:

[PapaBear]

BTW... What's JD's obsession with window seats?

[thepaulo]

I shall pick that one up tomorrow. I've only read Catcher and Franny and Zooey.


(""Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me." I mean that's what it is. And he explains to him that those are the best words to pray. Especially the word "mercy" because it is such a really enormous word and can mean so many things. I mean it doesn't just have to mean mercy." Franny paused to reflect again.)

[Kublakhan61]

For those of you who are slightly better adjusted than Paul O, Salinger's short stories & novellas about the Glass family leave CITR in the dust.

Yeah. He is the writer of his generation, yet he is known for one work. I cannot wait for him to die, apparently he is sitting a mass of completed work - he has designated select pieces for publication and the rest he wants burned. I'd like to see how true this is.

Why do some people think that everything needs a sequel? Leave Holden Caufield alone!


It's a post-modern move and makes complete sense at this stage of literary evolution.

[realmenhatelife]

Yeah. He is the writer of his generation, yet he is known for one work. I cannot wait for him to die, apparently he is sitting a mass of completed work - he has designated select pieces for publication and the rest he wants burned. I'd like to see how true this is.



It's a post-modern move and makes complete sense at this stage of literary evolution.


That's a very serious problem in post modernism, which has the attitude that if something is possible to do then it is meaningful to do. I'm sick of post modernism's inability to define itself except in reference to it's surroundings. No post modern book knows what it is, it just knows what it isn't. To me there is nothing cute, or ironic, or profound about proving you're smarter than the previous generation because they wrote about doing things, and you write about writing things.

[Kublakhan61]

That's a very serious problem in post modernism, which has the attitude that if something is possible to do then it is meaningful to do. I'm sick of post modernism's inability to define itself except in reference to it's surroundings. No post modern book knows what it is, it just knows what it isn't. To me there is nothing cute, or ironic, or profound about proving you're smarter than the previous generation because they wrote about doing things, and you write about writing things.

Blame Warhol. He seems to be the direct cause of all this. Warhol took Duchamp's brilliance and cheapened it.
Personally, I don't think that the Po-Mo maxim is "if it's possible to to, then it's meaningful". I feel the thinking is more akin to "if you can't reason your work in regard to the historical moment (which means in relation to the past) then it's valid".
And, while I agree that there is nothing cute or ironic about writing about writing - that move isn't new. Nabokov often wrote about writing (Pale Fire), Don Quixote is ABOUT reading and writing, John Barth (Welcome to the Funhouse wrote about writing, Chaucer wrote about writing (numerous books of the Canterbury Tales).

Po-Mo has furnished us with some incredible art but it has also, I imagine this is why bothers you, lower the bar for what we consider to be art - at this point almost everything qualifies.

[thepaulo]

Salinger's unique stand against publishing his own work is frustrating to fans but clearly heartfelt. It would be nice if her had written a follow up to Holden like he did with the Glass family.
Still the sequel book doesn't have to be postmodern, especially since it comes from a Swedish writer.

[realmenhatelife]

Blame Warhol. He seems to be the direct cause of all this. Warhol took Duchamp's brilliance and cheapened it.
Personally, I don't think that the Po-Mo maxim is "if it's possible to to, then it's meaningful". I feel the thinking is more akin to "if you can't reason your work in regard to the historical moment (which means in relation to the past) then it's valid".
And, while I agree that there is nothing cute or ironic about writing about writing - that move isn't new. Nabokov often wrote about writing (Pale Fire), Don Quixote is ABOUT reading and writing, John Barth (Welcome to the Funhouse wrote about writing, Chaucer wrote about writing (numerous books of the Canterbury Tales).

Po-Mo has furnished us with some incredible art but it has also, I imagine this is why bothers you, lower the bar for what we consider to be art - at this point almost everything qualifies.


I don't really know anything about art, my frustration is completely with post modern literature. I dont think you can really pick 1 principle for a post modernist, they really strive to be undefined. If there was 1 dominant, must have aspect to post modern literature it would be a very post modern thing to ignore it. I think writing needs some form of discipline, even if it that writing appears to be very slipshod, thats where the meaning comes from. I just watched that documentary My Kid Could Paint That (the guy was interviewed on the show awhile ago, ps fuck that guy for stepping into his own documentary like a post modern asshole.) and I think an idea they just touched on, but should've dug into deeper, is whether or not you can call her work art. It was very pretty, but I dont think art can be innate. It needs to have narrative, and intention. It's like saying a field of flowers is art. It's random and nature. Even if I attempt to capture that in a painting I have intention and it becomes art, it takes on a context which gives it a narrative which becomes art.


I misspoke when I said 'writing about writing,' I was closer to meaning writing superficially. Post Modernists do a lot of the same things as the modernists, I just think they have no solid idea as to why they do them aside to look cool and get laid. I do agree warhol is an issue, I feel like thats a good jumping off point for attaching the value of a work to the status it brings rather than artistic quality. Although I really don't mind when someone wants to lower the bar. I'm a huge champion of low culture, and I would argue very strongly that the medium is not the art, its just a physical apparatus that conveys the message to you. The actual work of the art happens when it is interacted with by a person (Cant remember the literary critic at all but he specifically called it the gap). The strength of that reaction is completely subjective, so no objective value can be placed on any art. I think to value art is like getting a phone call with some really great news, and then if someone asks you why you're smiling you reply "This is the best phone I've ever had."

[realmenhatelife]

Salinger's unique stand against publishing his own work is frustrating to fans but clearly heartfelt. It would be nice if her had written a follow up to Holden like he did with the Glass family.
Still the sequel book doesn't have to be postmodern, especially since it comes from a Swedish writer.

I admire Salinger's integrity, and think it should be respected. It's like Alan Moore being so completely against the film adaptations of his own work. He could have a hand in them and make them better, he could make an insane amount of money, but if you've read his work you understand that he is generally writing about things that don't translate, and that people aren't all that interested in. He wants to preserve something and is willing to forgo a lot of reward for it.

Even if the work itself isn't post modern, it is our post modern environment that makes it possible to publish and/or value it. People used to write unauthorized sequels/forgeries just to make money, and were very up front about that. It's the post modernism that lets us say "this is a love letter...." or a re imagining, or a comment on, or an exercise in. When you write Ahab's wife, or The Wind Done Gone, or Pride and Prejudice and Zombies what you're really doing but not willing to admit is boosting your sales based on literary renown you didn't earn.

[thepaulo]

I admire Salinger's integrity, and think it should be respected. It's like Alan Moore being so completely against the film adaptations of his own work. He could have a hand in them and make them better, he could make an insane amount of money, but if you've read his work you understand that he is generally writing about things that don't translate, and that people aren't all that interested in. He wants to preserve something and is willing to forgo a lot of reward for it.

Even if the work itself isn't post modern, it is our post modern environment that makes it possible to publish and/or value it. People used to write unauthorized sequels/forgeries just to make money, and were very up front about that. It's the post modernism that lets us say "this is a love letter...." or a re imagining, or a comment on, or an exercise in. When you write Ahab's wife, or The Wind Done Gone, or Pride and Prejudice and Zombies what you're really doing but not willing to admit is boosting your sales based on literary renown you didn't earn.

The three titles you mentioned want to reinvent the original work and completely change the experience. I get the sense that the Catcher book wants to relive and expand on the original experience in a more reverential way.
Sadly this can come off lame like Rumor Has It....the movie that tried to revisit the Graduate.

[realmenhatelife]

The three titles you mentioned want to reinvent the original work and completely change the experience. I get the sense that the Catcher book wants to relive and expand on the original experience in a more reverential way.
Sadly this can come off lame like Rumor Has It....the movie that tried to revisit the Graduate.

I have a problem with either scenerio. It's so hugely egotistical to reinvent or expand on someone elses work. By doing that you say you know better than the author and your experience with that work is more valid than anyone else who came before you. The status of the author above the work, and the refusal to be transparent in the work, is another thing that pisses me off about post modernism.

[thepaulo]

I have a problem with either scenerio. It's so hugely egotistical to reinvent or expand on someone elses work. By doing that you say you know better than the author and your experience with that work is more valid than anyone else who came before you. The status of the author above the work, and the refusal to be transparent in the work, is another thing that pisses me off about post modernism.

Well at 90, this is at least an interesting new chapter in the author's life.

[thepaulo]

The rumor is that there are stacks of manuscripts in his possession. Will they be allowed to see the light of day?

[thepaulo]

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/biography-alleges-salinger-books-due-20059403

[thepaulo]

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/moviesnow/la-et-mn-salinger-review-20130906,0,6130480.story

[thepaulo]

Colbert is using Salinger for a book club next week. Anything but Catcher.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/booknews/10283676/JD-Salingers-five-unpublished-titles-revealed-and-how-Second-World-War-shaped-his-thinking.html

http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/09/05/film-salinger-idINL2N0H02A320130905