Should Show Members Post Here?

[Gvac]

Lately Dave and Fez have been posting on ronfez.net and I wondered whether or not you thought it was a good thing.

I happen to be of the belief that it's only asking for trouble.

I know everyone wants to think it's cool and they'll be able to communicate with guys from the show, but it just seems like an open invitation to those who are desperate for attention and will say anything to get their name mentioned on the air, even if it's in a negative way.

I also think that sites like this are ultimately fan sites; created by fans for fans. When the people the site is devoted to join in, a lot of posters feel intimidated and won't speak openly and honestly about the show.

[RhinoinMN]

Lately Dave and Fez have been posting on ronfez.net and I wondered whether or not you thought it was a good thing.

I happen to be of the belief that it's only asking for trouble.

I know everyone wants to think it's cool and they'll be able to communicate with guys from the show, but it just seems like an open invitation to those who are desperate for attention and will say anything to get their name mentioned on the air, even if it's in a negative way.

I also think that sites like this are ultimately fan sites; created by fans for fans. When the people the site is devoted to join in, a lot of posters feel intimidated and won't speak openly and honestly about the show.

Hell of a conundrum Uncle G. It is nice to be part of a COMMUNITY that is recognized, but then mikeyboy calls in and gets his praise and everyone here starts longing for that which turns into disaster.

[burrben]

who's fez?

[paulisded]

The problems were starting before Dave and Fez started posting. In fact, I think the "board characters" began annoying people when Ron started increasing his "I read this on .net the otehr day" intros to topics.

[Gvac]

Hell of a conundrum Uncle G.

That it is, brother.

Unfortunately, you won't see a lot of people vote, especially the "staff."

If they do, they probably won't be honest.

Which is why I think the site is best left for the fans.

[styckx]

Finally a good poll.

NO!

[Hottub]

...and remembah, the Board Gossip team is always watching!
Shhhhhh!

[Friday]

why is it anyone's place to say who should or should not post somewhere?

humans have free will.
do what thou wilt.

but how the resident posters handle things... now that can get complicated.

[RhinoinMN]

why is it anyone's place to say who should or should not post somewhere?

humans have free will.
do what thou wilt.

but how the resident moderators handle things... now that can get complicated.

well said

[styckx]

why is it anyone's place to say who should or should not post somewhere?

humans have free will.
do what thou wilt.

but how the resident posters handle things... now that can get complicated.

STAY ON TOPIC! YOU"RE DERAILING THREADS!

[TobyWong]

why not? have them post. the problem comes when we have to censor ourselves or feel like we can only say nice things about the show.
I am amazed at how often certain radio hosts get their feelings hurt by what we complete strangers post about them. If there wasn't a some truth in these posts, they wouldn't bother the radio personalities.

[Recyclerz]

1. It is cool to have the opportunity to interact with the cast members of the show.

2. Perhaps more importantly, it gives them the option of dealing with issues that, let's face it, often start with unecessary messageboard drama at the source rather than taking up air time on the show.


I don't really see a down side.

[Friday]

well said

oh you.
fixing posts is sooo 2007.

STAY ON TOPIC! YOU"RE DERAILING THREADS!

whoops!
how dare i be relevant!

i promise to be a lemming in the future, master :tongue:

[styckx]

i promise to be a lemming in the future, master :tongue:

:wub:

[biggirl]

It feels like a celebrity is posting to the threads....

I guess I haven't posted much to have much of an opinion.

[RhinoinMN]

oh you.
fixing posts is sooo 2007.





Wait a minute. That is when I registered! I'd better get with it.:wacko:

[Slumbag]

If you care either way, log off and go to therapy.
For real.

[Sinestro]

Sinestro will not vote yea or nay. As there are good and bad points to them posting here as GVAC has mentioned. East Side Dave if I'm mistaken used to post frequently prior to being a regular on the show. I think if they mention board related stuff on the show it detracts from the quality of the show if it is done on the daily. Who really wants to hear about board related stuff if you could just read about it. The show is bigger that the board and they have lots of topics and other relevant stuff to talk about. "Cliques" get formed here and some of them splinter off to form their own boards because they don't see eye to eye with other "cliques". Did any one really care about the "unity" powwow aside from the Z list stars from their respective boards and the drama? Also some people post differently from if you talked to them in real life due to the anonymity of "hiding behind a faceless character" behind the keyboard.

Now if I was a mod I would vote......
Sinestro for Mod

[Fez4PrezN2008]

Are you telling me that you wouldn't shit your pants if Ronny B happend to post so much as a cat pic here? My life would be complete. Dave and Fez will do in the mean time.

[Sinestro]

Are you telling me that you wouldn't shit your pants if Ronny B happend to post so much as a cat pic here? My life would be complete. Dave and Fez will do in the mean time.


I wouldn't even care if any of them posted here. Not that it's a Good or No Good thing.

[hammersavage]

Since I know how to act with them posting here, I'll say yes even though some people don't

[Space Edge]

No and extend it to family members also. Like posts above mine it's cool to be able to interact with them but you get people who kiss ass all the time or come here to cause problems with the people from the show and family members of people from the show. Most of the drama threads I have seen here since I started posting have revolved around either a celebrity friend of the show or a family member of the show or a show member.

But it's a free internet so anyone can do whatever.

[Gvac]

Since I know how to act with them posting here, I'll say yes even though some people don't

What???

Does that mean you alter your behavior because they're posting here?

Sounds like it.

If so, you've proven my point.

[RhinoinMN]

What???

Does that mean you alter your behavior because they're posting here?

Sounds like it.

If so, you've proven my point.

He just hammersavaged himself. Checkmate.

[hammersavage]

What???

Does that mean you alter your behavior because they're posting here?

Sounds like it.

If so, you've proven my point.

Just the opposite. Not falling over myself to have a report with them or be their buddy or kiss ass or try to start a fight.

It's the people who do change their behavior that are the ones who don't know how to act.

[TheGameHHH]

i think fez and dave should live their life how they want to, make their own choices and not really care how message board people view them. if they wanna post here, let them.

[hammersavage]

He just hammersavaged himself. Checkmate.

Ooo, a positive use. I guess it means 'made exact point he was trying to make' then yes, good usage. Ya lobster legged prick!

[styckx]

No and extend it to family members also. Like posts above mine it's cool to be able to interact with them but you get people who kiss ass all the time or come here to cause problems with the people from the show and family members of people from the show. Most of the drama threads I have seen here since I started posting have revolved around either a celebrity friend of the show or a family member of the show or a show member.

But it's a free internet so anyone can do whatever.

Casey should be givin a pass in this though. She's not really a distraction at all. Even during the Fez harping on Dave and her shit she barely (if at all) interjected herself into it. Casey is good peeps as far as that shit goes here.

[TripleSkeet]

I dont see a problem with it. I think it makes the board more interesting. I know alot of people dont like hearing anything about the boards on the show, Im not one of them.

I think its very cool that they interact with their fans the way they do. And whenever they do mention the boards Ron usually has my cracking up.

I still dont get why so many people have a problem with any of the show people posting on the boards.

[led37zep]

Posting = GOOD

Manipulating = BAD




Church.

[TheMojoPin]

hammer made the point I wanted to...I don't think certain people should be kept from posting just because a select few don't know how to deal with them outside of fawning all over them (which really rarely happens any more than anyone else gets around here) or always want to attack them and start shit (which is what it is 99% of the time).

If anything, it'll help weed out more trolls for me to ban.

[hammersavage]

hammer made the point I wanted to

I get that ALOT

[MacVittie]

I like them posting, but I think it's a bad idea for them to talk about the little squabbles than happen on this site on the show. That just encourages copycats. I think it was a bad idea for them to mention #1fanofESD on the air, then every other person who feels bad because they don't get the love that Arch and Death Metal Moe and mikeyboy get tries to make a name for himself by starting shit.

[TheMojoPin]

I like them posting, but I think it's a bad idea for them to talk about the little squabbles than happen on this site on the show. That just encourages copycats. I think it was a bad idea for them to mention #1fanofESD on the air, then every other person who feels bad because they don't get the love that Arch and Death Metal Moe and mikeyboy get tries to make a name for himself by starting shit.

This I also agree with. I think the online stuff, all of it, should be kept off the air.

[Death Metal Moe]

This I also agree with. I think the online stuff, all of it, should be kept off the air.

I agree with that to an extent. I mean I'm not gonna sit here and try to assume I know what's good for Ron and Fez to talk about on air and what's not. I think they should try to limit talking about the petty, stupid shit as much as possible. If calling out members by name creates a negative atmosphere, I'm all for limiting that too then.

Shit like The Unity Show is a good example of what NOT to bring to the on air topics.

[styckx]

Moderation.

FFB was entertaining for a day.. Two months, numerous threats, flame wars, and insults later while R&F still egg it on. No

MLC was entertaining for day. 12321332 months later and his endless plugs, calling out "haters" and being a general retard while R&F egg it on.. No

Chuckwagon I can see being the same retarded shit happening

There have been others along the way that suffered the same fate. It's sad, but famous, semi famous, borderline famous people bring out the attention whore in most people and takes away from the genuine nature of things cause these people can never seem to just be humble about it. (Well a few, Bronx Johnny, Newstyle to name a new)

In the terms of "stardom" in this country Ron and Fez are about 0.2% of the overall spectrum of things. Yet people never seem to fail at acting like Frank Sinatra just rose from the dead, jerked them off and took their load. It would also help if the show stopped giving these people those hand jobs. They don't deserve them.

[ToiletCrusher]

I like the attempt in being involved more on the fan website. But, I think it is just that, a site for fans.

The show members can read things here and even bring them up on air.

However, the second they post on this site, they become more vulnerable to criticism.

[Dude!]

having the board gossip
once a week on friday
was fun

that kind of limited interaction
was fine

it is way out of hand now

no posting on the boards
no mention of the boards
except for 10 minutes of
board gossip on friday

without mentioning htg....
booooooring

[styckx]

having the board gossip
once a week on friday
was fun

that kind of limited interaction
was fine

it is way out of hand now

no posting on the boards
no mention of the boards
except for 10 minutes of
board gossip on friday

without mentioning htg....
booooooring

http://www.pursuit.eu/rimages/hammare.jpg

Board gossip was loads of fun cause it was in small doses and light hearted

[TheMojoPin]

http://www.pursuit.eu/rimages/hammare.jpg

Board gossip was loads of fun cause it was in small doses and light hearted

Very true.

[Gvac]

Today's activity shows why I believe as I do.

[WampusCrandle]

Today's activity shows why I believe as I do.

After today, I don't think anyone from the show should post here if they intend to dictate every part of this board and tell us what we can and can't say. It's bullshit and this board shouldn't put up with it.

[yojimbo7248]

Today's activity shows why I believe as I do.

today convinced me to come over to your side. consider my vote changed to 'no'

[hammersavage]

What does it matter what they say? Nothing changes unless the mods banned someone or locked something.

[WampusCrandle]

What does it matter what they say? Nothing changes unless the mods banned someone or locked something.

the mentality of what is going on is worrisome. would you agree or disagree?

[hammersavage]

Not really. If anyone else posted like that, you would respond to them and wait for him to respond back. Fez obviously didn't see the direction Fred went in that thread or I think he would have posted something different. But even if, he has a right to voice an opinion. Doesn't mean anything has to change.

[styckx]

What does it matter what they say? Nothing changes unless the mods banned someone or locked something.

Intentional or unintentional (which this is) , a show member posting here and reflecting his opinion of what is right, or what is wrong w/ a thread, post, discussion creates a divide and conquer atmosphere.

Dave, just goofing off and having fun is nice, Fez saying "that's why x-y-z shouldn't be talk about" is just planting a bomb

[disneyspy]

if we start with the show members then we move onto the friends of the show then we move onto anybudday that has called the show then we move onto anybudday that has listened and loves the show. all that will be left will be trolls and spammers. i say theres nothin wrong with members postin here,they're people too

[Gvac]

if we start with the show members then we move onto the friends of the show then we move onto anybudday that has called the show then we move onto anybudday that has listened and loves the show.

No.

Friends of the show and callers have posted here since day 1.

Show members posting here is a line that hasn't been crossed until recently.

[WampusCrandle]

Not really. If anyone else posted like that, you would respond to them and wait for him to respond back. Fez obviously didn't see the direction Fred went in that thread or I think he would have posted something different. But even if, he has a right to voice an opinion. Doesn't mean anything has to change.

i most certainly would respond they way i did. i don't care if it was Fez or you or anyone else - the mentality behind what Fez said - directing posters not to say anything about a certain topic - should be worrisome.

He has his right to his opinion, but what he said wasn't an opinion at all - it was more of an order.

[hammersavage]

Intentional or unintentional (which this is) , a show member posting here and reflecting his opinion of what is right, or what is wrong w/ a thread, post, discussion creates a divide and conquer atmosphere.

Dave, just goofing off and having fun is nice, Fez saying "that's why x-y-z shouldn't be talk about" is just planting a bomb

Not for me, it doesn't. Fez can post whatever he wants about Fred, I see it differently, especially in that thread which had nothing to do with him at first.

[FezsAssistant]

Can you imagine what would happen if Opie signed onto a message board and told people what was or wasn't ok to talk about???

Fez should concentrate on the show, considering how miserable Ron is working with him.

[Gvac]

You're kidding, right hammer?

Or are you only seeing what you want to?

Here's Fez's original post -

I don't know why all this heat got aimed at Fred from Brooklyn. Ron said on the show that his sit down with Fred would be off the air. There was no reason to even discuss it here.
Trust me on this, I know that there is bond between Ron and Fred and a deep friendship there that no one else needs to analyze.

[yojimbo7248]

Intentional or unintentional (which this is) , a show member posting here and reflecting his opinion of what is right, or what is wrong w/ a thread, post, discussion creates a divide and conquer atmosphere.

Dave, just goofing off and having fun is nice, Fez saying "that's why x-y-z shouldn't be talk about" is just planting a bomb

you hit a key point - having fun. For his own sake, I would suggest he stays off the board. He just doesn't seem to be having fun here. I have seen more angry Fez posts than lighthearted ones. People will say shit about him. No matter how many trolls we ban, there will be negative comments

[hammersavage]

i most certainly would respond they way i did. i don't care if it was Fez or you or anyone else - the mentality behind what Fez said - directing posters not to say anything about a certain topic - should be worrisome.

He has his right to his opinion, but what he said wasn't an opinion at all - it was more of an order.

And was that order listened to? In any way?

And he never says not to post about a certain topic. He says he doesn't know why it was discussed here and we don't know the full details, but nothing along the lines of 'you can't say anything bad about Fred'. Again, if it was any other poster, respond the same way. It wouldn't be an order from anyone else.

[styckx]

Can you imagine what would happen if Opie signed onto a message board and told people what was or wasn't ok to talk about???

Anthony used to do it all the time on Wackbag.

[hammersavage]

You're kidding, right hammer?

Or are you only seeing what you want to?

Here's Fez's original post -

Right. I read it. Where does it say 'this will not be posted about it further' and bring attention to a mod?

[STC-Dub]

I am fine with it. I do think they need to realize that just because someone might disagree with what they say it does not mean that the board is a cesspool of negativity or that the person disagreeing with them hates the show though.

[hammersavage]

I am fine with it. I do think they need to realize that just because someone might disagree with what they say it does not mean that the board is a cesspool of negativity or that the person disagreeing with them hates the show though.

True. Their perception might be the only problem in this whole scenario. But thats on them.

If anyone else said 'you shouldn't have brought up Fred unprovoked', you would have said 'it wasn't about him and he interjected'. And that would be that.


If Fez had posted 'there will be no more of this' and a mod banned anyone for making fun of Fred, there is a problem.

[Gvac]

And was that order listened to? In any way?

And he never says not to post about a certain topic. He says he doesn't know why it was discussed here and we don't know the full details, but nothing along the lines of 'you can't say anything bad about Fred'. Again, if it was any other poster, respond the same way. It wouldn't be an order from anyone else.

You're right buddy!

Everything's great!

http://www.articulate.com/rapid-elearning/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/blinders.gif

[styckx]

http://www.articulate.com/rapid-elearning/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/blinders.gif

:thumbup:

[hammersavage]

You're right buddy!

Everything's great!

http://www.articulate.com/rapid-elearning/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/blinders.gif

Yea, that's it. Just making a point, buddy. Like having a discussion but on the internet.

[MadMatt]

Dave, just goofing off and having fun is nice, Fez saying "that's why x-y-z shouldn't be talk about" is just planting a bomb

This is really the crux of the matter. If show members want to participate and join in discussion, then Great!

Dictating what should and shouldn't be discussed is another matter entirely. When it moves in that direction, then I would say that kind of input is crossing the line.

[Gvac]

Yea, that's it. Just making a point, buddy. Like having a discussion but on the internet.

Same here.

[hammersavage]

Same here.

By being sarcastic and posting a funny picture. That's weak. You make a point, I make a point. It goes back and forth like that.

[Gvac]

By being sarcastic and posting a funny picture. That's weak. You make a point, I make a point. It goes back and forth like that.

Are you too simple minded to grasp what my sarcasm inferred?

Sorry.

I'll go slowly.

I - - - think - - - that - - - since - - - it - - - was - - - a - - - show - - - member - - - making - - - the - - - thread - - - it's - - - different - - - than - - - if - - - a - - - random - - - poster - - - had - - - started - - - it.

We - - - have - - - seen - - - in - - - the - - - past - - - that - - - when - - - a - - - show - - - member - - - actively - - - becomes - - - involved - - - in - - - a - - - fan - - - site - - - and - - - starts - - - objecting - - - to - - - certain - - - topics - - - being - - - discussed - - - it - - - leads - - - down - - - a - - - bad - - - road.

[hammersavage]

See, that's a point. Just calm down and say it. It will make your opinions much clearer than just saying sarcastic shit and a witty picture.


I'll counter with that not matter what was inferred, nothing changed from it. If we couldn't talk about Fred after that post, I'd totally be on your side Uncle G.

[MadMatt]

True. Their perception might be the only problem in this whole scenario. But thats on them.

If anyone else said 'you shouldn't have brought up Fred unprovoked', you would have said 'it wasn't about him and he interjected'. And that would be that.


If Fez had posted 'there will be no more of this' and a mod banned anyone for making fun of Fred, there is a problem.

But if you notice, Fez isn't even discussing the issue. He started a thread, told the board it was wrong, and took off.

It comes out as more of an edict than a discussion of points. And if it were an average member it wouldn't be a big deal - but it's Fez from the Ron & Fez show.

[RAAMONE]

Are you too simple minded to grasp what my sarcasm inferred?

Sorry.

I'll go slowly.

I - - - think - - - that - - - since - - - it - - - was - - - a - - - show - - - member - - - making - - - the - - - thread - - - it's - - - different - - - than - - - if - - - a - - - random - - - poster - - - had - - - started - - - it.

We - - - have - - - seen - - - in - - - the - - - past - - - that - - - when - - - a - - - show - - - member - - - actively - - - becomes - - - involved - - - in - - - a - - - fan - - - site - - - and - - - starts - - - objecting - - - to - - - certain - - - topics - - - being - - - discussed - - - it - - - leads - - - down - - - a - - - bad - - - road.

sorry - - - but - - - you - - - seem - - - to - - - be (fuck it these dashs take to much time) too obsessed with the show...anyone can post anything, affiliated with the show or not...if it fucks up the show then that is their problem, what? to you want dave and fez banned or something

[styckx]

I'm leaving that thread. This will eventually just blow up and get uglier than it already is. Just a matter of time and place.

Oil and Water don't mix



edit: HOCKEY TIME. Fuck this old lady bickering. :)

[mikeyboy]

sorry - - - but - - - you - - - seem - - - to - - - be (fuck it these dashs take to much time) too absessed with the show...anyone can post anything, affiliated with the show or not...if it fucks up the show then that is their problem, what? to you want dave and fez banned or something

Well, it's not a free-for-all. We've always said that you can't discuss the private aspects of the show member's lives that aren't brought up on the air. That differs from other "fansites" but that's something we've always adhered to.

[hammersavage]

But if you notice, Fez isn't even discussing the issue. He started a thread, told the board it was wrong, and took off.

It comes out as more of an edict than a discussion of points. And if it were an average member it wouldn't be a big deal - but it's Fez from the Ron & Fez show.

So when he leaves, he can think this place is negative towards Fred. Who cares? We know that it was Fred who instigated that thread and GVac was totally correct in starting that thread. Fred got out of line, that's the true story.

[yojimbo7248]

I'm leaving that thread. This will eventually just blow up and get uglier than it already is. Just a matter of time and place.

Oil and Water don't mix



edit: HOCKEY TIME. Fuck this old lady bickering. :)

Go Pens!

[EliSnow]

But if you notice, Fez isn't even discussing the issue. He started a thread, told the board it was wrong, and took off.

It comes out as more of an edict than a discussion of points. And if it were an average member it wouldn't be a big deal - but it's Fez from the Ron & Fez show.

How often does Fez actually sit an discuss any issue that he posts about. It's pretty much his style to do one or two posts and go out.

Again, if the show has a problem with threads here, it goes directly to mikey or justjon. It doesn't address a thread to the entire board.

[Gvac]

what? to you want dave and fez banned or something

No, I want people to give their opinions.

That's why I made it a poll.

We're still allowed to have opinions, right?

I love the people who say "they can do whatever they want!"

No shit.

Talk about missing the point.

[disneyspy]

Go Pens!

personal attack,ban this fucker!!

[RAAMONE]

Well, it's not a free-for-all. We've always said that you can't discuss the private aspects of the show member's lives that aren't brought up on the air. That differs from other "fansites" but that's something we've always adhered to.

i know, i get it...i think O&A and staff arent allowed posting on fansites...but from what i heard ron kind of encouraged it...thats all

[MadMatt]

How often does Fez actually sit an discuss any issue that he posts about. It's pretty much his style to do one or two posts and go out.

Again, if the show has a problem with threads here, it goes directly to mikey or justjon. It doesn't address a thread to the entire board.

But that is exactly what Fez just did! He took umbrage with a thread and created a new thread to scold the board about it. No discussion, just "you guys were wrong and shouldn't be discussing it."

[Gvac]

But that is exactly what Fez just did! He took umbrage with a thread and created a new thread to scold the board about it. No discussion, just "you guys were wrong and shouldn't be discussing it."

At least you get it, brother.

[hammersavage]

I just think that, in this case, Fez gave an opinion, not an edict. If that ever happened, I would completely be on board with it being a bad thing. I totally see your point on that Gvac. But I don't think its a slippery slope or anything like that.

If we know the real situations about this place, I personally don't care what Fez says. I treat it as if any other poster said it.

[paulisded]

The biggest problem I see in this instance is that it empowers Fred. Since Fez says he's off limits, Fred will now think that to be the case and will go back to attacking the "cunts" thinking he has free reign to do what he wants.

Regardless of what anybody from the show says, if you show faggotry on the board you deserve the negative reaction...or at least the debate on his actions.

[EliSnow]

But that is exactly what Fez just did! He took umbrage with a thread and created a new thread to scold the board about it. No discussion, just "you guys were wrong and shouldn't be discussing it."

Saying you shouldn't discuss something and you are not allowed to are two different things. The latter's an edict to the board. The former's his opinion that there's no issue there.

[styckx]

The biggest problem I see in this instance is that it empowers Fred. Since Fez says he's off limits, Fred will now think that to be the case and will go back to attacking the "cunts" thinking he has free reign to do what he wants.


Then there is that angle.

[hammersavage]

Then there is that angle.

That's clearly the worst thing to come of this.

[RAAMONE]

i understand...i know alot of you are good friends with ron/fez and staff...but to me i enjoy them as entertainment (which is great) i dont know them and never will, but i guess i dont get involved personally like some of you, so sorry

[styckx]

That's clearly the worst thing to come of this.

Agreed

[spoon]

But if you notice, Fez isn't even discussing the issue. He started a thread, told the board it was wrong, and took off.

It comes out as more of an edict than a discussion of points. And if it were an average member it wouldn't be a big deal - but it's Fez from the Ron & Fez show.

Exactly right. If you can't see the issue with this hammer, I'm really lost trying to comprehend your logic. I'm not ever one to say someone can't do something, but it just isn't a good idea. It would be completely different if they were here and just bullshitting and others didn't go all nuts over it. However, it's already gone bad on both their and our (rf.net poster's) end.

[MadMatt]

Saying you shouldn't discuss something and you are not allowed to are two different things. The latter's an edict to the board. The former's his opinion that there's no issue there.

But it's Fez.

It isn't me saying it, you saying it, or any average member saying it. It is one of the Title Members of the Show saying that the board is wrong for posting or discussing "X"

If he had stuck around and actually had a discussion about it the situation would be entirely different. As it stands it is tantamount to a proclamation because he said "the board should not do 'X'" and left it at that.

[hammersavage]

Exactly right. If you can't see the issue with this hammer, I'm really lost trying to comprehend your logic. I'm not ever one to say someone can't do something, but it just isn't a good idea. It would be completely different if they were here and just bullshitting and others didn't go all nuts over it. However, it's already gone bad on both their and our (rf.net poster's) end.

Because if it was an edict, something would have to change. If its just another poster posting his opinion, what does it matter? I could see where you guys don't want it to go, I'm with you on that. But I don't think its a problem where it is.

[mikeyboy]

But it's Fez.

It isn't me saying it, you saying it, or any average member saying it. It is one of the Title Members of the Show saying that the board is wrong for posting or discussing "X"

If he had stuck around and actually had a discussion about it the situation would be entirely different. As it stands it is tantamount to a proclamation because he said "the board should not do 'X'" and left it at that.

Is it that much different from when Ron, Fez or Dave give their opinions on the problems of the board on the air?

[styckx]

Fred must be transgender, that would explain everything

[EliSnow]

But it's Fez.

It isn't me saying it, you saying it, or any average member saying it. It is one of the Title Members of the Show saying that the board is wrong for posting or discussing "X"

If he had stuck around and actually had a discussion about it the situation would be entirely different. As it stands it is tantamount to a proclamation because he said "the board should not do 'X'" and left it at that.

But here's the thing. If you look at this thread, clearly none of the posters are following his "edict."

The people who could enforce the "edict" don't believe it's an edict and telling people to stop discussing Fred or saying he's wrong.

And there have been no follow up messages saying stop it.

I think you're reading too much into this and to Fez's lack of follow up discussion.

[spoon]

How often does Fez actually sit an discuss any issue that he posts about. It's pretty much his style to do one or two posts and go out.

Again, if the show has a problem with threads here, it goes directly to mikey or justjon. It doesn't address a thread to the entire board.

So if it goes to jon it is never seen huh. You better tell them to tweet it.

[EliSnow]

Exactly right. If you can't see the issue with this hammer, I'm really lost trying to comprehend your logic. I'm not ever one to say someone can't do something, but it just isn't a good idea. It would be completely different if they were here and just bullshitting and others didn't go all nuts over it. However, it's already gone bad on both their and our (rf.net poster's) end.

I think the dispute here is that you, MadMatt, Gvac and other's think that Fez is saying we are not allowed to discuss Fred and the sitdown.

Hammer, mikey, myself think Fez was saying the "sitdown" is no big deal (and as proof he points to Ron and Fred's friendship) so there is nothing to discuss because we have the facts wrong.

[hammersavage]

I also think its shitty that Fez comes here and participates like that, not knowing the full story. But he can participate how he wants.

[EliSnow]

So if it goes to jon it is never seen huh. You better tell them to tweet it.

I know you don't think jon is ever here, but he is.

[hammersavage]

Hammer, mikey, myself think Fez was saying the "sitdown" is no big deal (and as proof he points to Ron and Fred's friendship) so there is nothing to discuss because we have the facts wrong.

Whoaaaa. Reality just hit me after reading that.



I change my opinion.

[paulisded]

What really sucks about this situation is that the last few days have actually been a lot of fun. The drama over certain people's board characters had died away, and it had gone back to just shooting the shit...particularly in Dave's petition thread. We reacquainted ourselves with Frenchy, had endured some shilling from MLC, and even the Fred thread was for the most part harmless. Now we're back to debating what kind of board this should be, and how the old days were supposedly so much better. Can we have another Spoon versus Pantera poll?

[hammersavage]

So if it goes to jon it is never seen huh. You better tell them to tweet it.

we can all agree on that.

[hammersavage]

Can we have another Spoon versus Pantera poll?

I say change up the members. It degenerates to 'what's your favorite candy' anyway.

[disneyspy]

I know you don't think jon is ever here, but he is.

i knew he was sue bender

[MadMatt]

Is it that much different from when Ron, Fez or Dave give their opinions on the problems of the board on the air?

But here's the thing. If you look at this thread, clearly none of the posters are following his "edict."

The people who could enforce the "edict" don't believe it's an edict and telling people to stop discussing Fred or saying he's wrong.

And there have been no follow up messages saying stop it.

I think you're reading too much into this and to Fez's lack of follow up discussion.

You guys are taking this from a point of discussion to a point of actuality.

I have already stated in previous posts that I don't care if show members post here, but if that changes to dictating policy then I am against it.

The discussion then moved into "how could you possibly think that what Fez posted could be taken as a condemnation" and I defended that point. Simply put, what Fez posts carries more weight than the posts of an average poster. Through active policy or passive influence, it is not as easily ignored as an average post.

THAT is what I was trying to get across. Not that Fez is trying to run the board or made some sort of "back room deal" on this issue. It is that moving into a realm where show members directly dictate points of discussion is not a good place to go.

[EliSnow]

You guys are taking this from a point of discussion to a point of actuality.

I have already stated in previous posts that I don't care if show members post here, but if that changes to dictating policy then I am against it.

The discussion then moved into "how could you possibly think that what Fez posted could be taken as a condemnation" and I defended that point. Simply put, what Fez posts carries more weight than the posts of an average poster. Through active policy or passive influence, it is not as easily ignored as an average post.

THAT is what I was trying to get across. Not that Fez is trying to run the board or made some sort of "back room deal" on this issue. It is that moving into a realm where show members directly dictate points of discussion is not a good place to go.

No one is asking you how can you possibly think .. etc. I understand your point and disagree about what Fez was doing. We disagree, and are stating why we think your conclusion is wrong.

And again, if Fez was dictating policy, no one is listening to it.

[MadMatt]

No one is asking you how can you possibly think .. etc. I understand your point and disagree about what Fez was doing. We disagree, and are stating why we think your conclusion is wrong.

And again, if Fez was dictating policy, no one is listening to it.

FUCK!!!!!!

I AM TRYING TO SAY EXACTLY THE SAME THING!!!

You were putting words in my mouth and I just told you that you had the wrong conclusions about what I was saying. I get your point and was discussing how others were seeing the issue.

You damn lawyers always have to be "right" don't you. :laugh:

[Foster]

whether Fez was telling people what they can or can't say isn't the point in my opinion. every time someone like a fezfez or jayjay show any kind of disappoint in this board it results in threads like this for days.
it seems like we just got over the last episode of us beating each other up over how negative this site is getting and this pops up.

having show members post here just seems to be consistently derailing this board.

[lleeder]

Well, it's not a free-for-all. We've always said that you can't discuss the private aspects of the show member's lives that aren't brought up on the air. That differs from other "fansites" but that's something we've always adhered to.

What if a show member says veiled hints to things that they are doing in their personal lives? Can those hints be made into a thread then discussed at length? Seems like lately there is a trail of bread crumbs being dropped for those listening.

[RAAMONE]

what if ron&fez are awesome and people just enjoy the show...thats all

[spoon]

I say change up the members. It degenerates to 'what's your favorite candy' anyway.

That thread did NOTHING of the sort! Oh and go read Pantera's tweet about his twiffleball games and how he "taught me a lessen" and "felt good pushing back the bully"! Ahahahahahahaah!

I was on AIM with MB the whole time and knew we'd be banned and I thrive on it. His tweets are nothing short of comical. What would I expect from the tweet community I guess. Twiffleball that, get this, Justjon is involved with. I know it's shocking, but I guess it's easy to be involved in something like that vs the very event on his board he claims to fucking run.

[hammersavage]

That thread did NOTHING of the sort! Oh and go read Pantera's tweet about his twiffleball games and how he "taught me a lessen" and "felt good pushing back the bully"! Ahahahahahahaah!

That was the petition thread, wasn't it? Well, it should have then. They all should. Jock

[styckx]

I'd cut my balls off before ever purposely being involved in a twiffleball game. Let along tell others I do so. That word has an aurora of gay around it.

[spoon]

what if ron&fez are awesome and people just enjoy the show...thats all

hooray for beer

really? that's ur point?

[Gvac]

what if ron&fez are awesome and people just enjoy the show...thats all

Right on!

And we'll join a fan site for them and NEVER give our opinions on anything!!!

That'll be so much fun!!!

[mikeyboy]

Right on!

And we'll join a fan site for them and NEVER give our opinions on anything!!!

That'll be so much fun!!!

Way to ruin the surprise of the big changes.

[spoon]

That was the petition thread, wasn't it? Well, it should have then. They all should. Jock

I can't argue that brah! Spot me here ok.

[hammersavage]

Get your reps in, bro.


btw, you ever play hockey at floyd hall arena?

[styckx]

I thought for sure someone else was Going to insert A paragrah or five of overZealous fanboyism into this.

[spoon]

Get your reps in, bro.


btw, you ever play hockey at floyd hall arena?

I used to a ton, but now all the teams I play for are at Ice House.

They're leagues are shitty and the refs blow.

[hammersavage]

I used to a ton, but now all the teams I play for are at Ice House.

They're leagues are shitty and the refs blow.

I worked there for 7 years. I'm sure I cut your ice. You are welcome because I was the best of all time.

[spoon]

Holy fuck, NOW i know where I know ur ugly face from! Ha!

U know Al, Sasso, Kring and Jonesy then?

[mikeyboy]

Holy fuck, NOW i know where I know ur ugly face from! Ha!

U know Al, Sasso, Kring and Jonesy then?

What are their favorite candies?

[hammersavage]

Holy fuck, NOW i know where I know ur ugly face from! Ha!

U know Al, Sasso, Kring and Jonesy then?

I know them all. Didn't really get to know Jonesy well but he was there all the time, and here as well but I didn't post much.

Sasso is the best person ever though.

[hammersavage]

What are their favorite candies?

nose

[spoon]

cock

that's better marteau sauvage

[Marc with a c]

is sasso a big fat guy?

that isn't some odd reference i'm hoping one person gets, i'm asking because i might know him.

[mikeyboy]

is sasso a big fat guy?

that isn't some odd reference i'm hoping one person gets, i'm asking because i might know him.

It's not about you.

[Marc with a c]

It's not about you.

you're sasso.

[spoon]

no

[hammersavage]

is sasso a big fat guy?

that isn't some odd reference i'm hoping one person gets, i'm asking because i might know him.

You're thinking of MadTV's Will Sasso

[WampusCrandle]

You're thinking of MadTV's Will Sasso

i thought that too. :lol: