View Full Version : Tony viewing thread
thepaulo
06-07-2009, 09:04 AM
I know there is a lot of fans of broadway show tunes on this board. The Tony's are tonight.
lleeder
06-07-2009, 09:13 AM
http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt282/bwhitker/tony-the-tiger---frosties.jpg
lleeder
06-07-2009, 09:14 AM
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g265/hmlovato/Soprano.jpg
lleeder
06-07-2009, 09:16 AM
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c19/GiGiKev/stewart.jpg
hammersavage
06-07-2009, 09:16 AM
http://www.sacramento365.com/images/event/37889/tonytonitone.jpg
lleeder
06-07-2009, 09:17 AM
http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq214/8colton16/tony_hawk_.jpg
Hottub
06-07-2009, 09:17 AM
http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/wiki/images/7/73/Iommi.jpg
lleeder
06-07-2009, 09:20 AM
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h8/tankers15/Tony-Conigliarol.jpg
Tall_James
06-07-2009, 09:21 AM
http://tralfaz-archives.com/coverart/O/orlandof.jpg
lleeder
06-07-2009, 09:23 AM
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd308/RLS78/ItalianTony.jpg
hammersavage
06-07-2009, 09:24 AM
I expect to be sued very soon
http://deadspin.com/assets/resources/2007/06/tonlyarussapeak.jpg
weekapaugjz
06-07-2009, 09:25 AM
http://imagecache.allposters.com/images/pic/PHO/AAEI008~Tony-Esposito-Action-Posters.jpg
weekapaugjz
06-07-2009, 09:26 AM
http://www.tonyrocks.com/wp-content/WindowsLiveWriter/TonyDanzaRocks_8DA9/danza%5B11%5D.jpg
hammersavage
06-07-2009, 09:27 AM
http://www.tonyrocks.com/wp-content/WindowsLiveWriter/TonyDanzaRocks_8DA9/danza%5B11%5D.jpg
dammit
weekapaugjz
06-07-2009, 09:28 AM
http://drscout.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/tony_romo_crying_after_fumble.jpg
weekapaugjz
06-07-2009, 09:29 AM
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/1646/antoswald7dj.jpg
Tall_James
06-07-2009, 10:25 AM
http://www.joemantegna.com/TONY2.JPG
Doctor Z
06-07-2009, 10:33 AM
This is just like the SuperBowl viewing thread, except for women and homosexuals.
Doctor Z
06-07-2009, 10:35 AM
Oh yeah...
http://images.paraorkut.com/img/pics/images/t/tony_montana-7051.jpg
KingGeno
06-07-2009, 10:36 AM
http://www.chrisbyrne.com/images/TonyStark.jpg
thepaulo
06-07-2009, 10:49 AM
This is just like the SuperBowl viewing thread, except for women and homosexuals.
eaxactly!
Hottub
06-07-2009, 11:38 AM
http://onebullettest.com/MSGBRD/IMG_2800B.JPG
Friday
06-07-2009, 01:50 PM
count me In!
http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/Toni-Braxton-s03.jpg
thepaulo
06-07-2009, 03:48 PM
13 minutes
RhinoinMN
06-07-2009, 03:52 PM
http://stuffandthingsblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/19424tony-bennett-posters.jpg
RhinoinMN
06-07-2009, 03:53 PM
http://graphics2.jsonline.com/graphics/owlive/img/dec04/dead.randall1230_big.jpg
RhinoinMN
06-07-2009, 03:54 PM
http://www.realclearsports.com/blog/t1_kornheiser.jpg
RhinoinMN
06-07-2009, 03:55 PM
http://us.macmillan.com/CMS400/uploadedImages/ImageGallery/shalhoub,%20tony(1).jpg
hammersavage
06-07-2009, 03:57 PM
Rhino dominating in mop up duty
RhinoinMN
06-07-2009, 03:57 PM
http://www.thefader.com/ys_assets/0004/2083/Tony_Cox_main.jpeg
RhinoinMN
06-07-2009, 03:59 PM
Rhino dominating in mop up duty
I just woke up.
RhinoinMN
06-07-2009, 04:00 PM
1 more
http://www.taylorgifts.com/images/p18257_500.jpg
hammersavage
06-07-2009, 04:01 PM
Somewhere, a drunk Paulo just came
hammersavage
06-07-2009, 04:08 PM
Alright, Game 2 is starting but Bret Michaels just got decapitated by the closing set. I hope to see that make the rounds tomorrow.
Foster
06-07-2009, 04:08 PM
are R&F doing a live show for the Tony's like they did for the Oscar's?
hammersavage
06-07-2009, 04:09 PM
are R&F doing a live show for the Tony's like they did for the Oscar's?
Half the show would love to.
I won't say which.
Foster
06-07-2009, 04:11 PM
Half the show would love to.
I won't say which.
no need, with Ron the fans always come first
Foster
06-07-2009, 04:13 PM
with no live show Paulo better step up to the plate with all the updates
thepaulo
06-07-2009, 04:33 PM
with no live show Paulo better step up to the plate with all the updates
Oh my God....
Angela Landsbury is still alive!!!!!!
and she just won a Tony for playing a ghost!!!!!!!
Foster
06-07-2009, 04:35 PM
Oh my God....
Angela Landsbury is still alive!!!!!!
and she just won a Tony for playing a ghost!!!!!!!
your tricks will not get me to turn off the NBA Finals
thepaulo
06-07-2009, 04:45 PM
your tricks will not get me to turn off the NBA Finals
Oh My God!!!!
Naked Old Broads!!!!!!
Foster
06-07-2009, 04:51 PM
Oh My God!!!!
Naked Old Broads!!!!!!
I don't care about what you're viewing on the internet,
whats happening with the Tony's?
Friday
06-07-2009, 04:56 PM
WSS still has some of my most favorite choreography of all time.
Timeless!
I miss doing the Dance at the Gym!
Foster
06-07-2009, 04:58 PM
WSS still has some of my most favorite choreography of all time.
Timeless!
I miss doing the Dance at the Gym!
were you a Jet or a Shark?
Friday
06-07-2009, 05:01 PM
were you a Jet or a Shark?
i was Anita!
aye! aye! aye!
Foster
06-07-2009, 05:05 PM
i was Anita!
aye! aye! aye!
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Friday
06-07-2009, 05:08 PM
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it's better in the stage version... no silly men in that song! :p
Rock of Ages looks silly but kind of cool.
I really should see more shows....
...when I become a thousandaire...
johnniehardrock
06-07-2009, 05:10 PM
The best part was Bret Michaels getting hit in the head and falling when he got hit with the set piece in the opening
Foster
06-07-2009, 05:11 PM
it's better in the stage version... no silly men in that song! :p
Rock of Ages looks silly but kind of cool.
I really should see more shows....
...when I become a thousandaire...
I haven't been to the theater in a few years either,
really should try to go, especially with all the shows closing.
thepaulo
06-07-2009, 05:16 PM
my computer sucks tonight so I'll just enjoy the rest of the show
hammersavage
06-07-2009, 05:18 PM
The best part was Bret Michaels getting hit in the head and falling when he got hit with the set piece in the opening
Thank you! That was the only part I saw. Got that douche cowboy hat knocked off.
I haven't been to the theater in a few years either,
really should try to go, especially with all the shows closing.
What's closing? Are tix getting cheap then?
Foster
06-07-2009, 05:18 PM
my computer sucks tonight so I'll just enjoy the rest of the show
you should stay away from those GILF sites
IamFogHat
06-07-2009, 05:18 PM
Even I think this thread is beyond gaydom.
Foster
06-07-2009, 05:20 PM
Thank you! That was the only part I saw. Got that douche cowboy hat knocked off.
What's closing? Are tix getting cheap then?
haven't checked in a while, but with summer on the horizon I'm sure sales should be picking up.
Friday
06-07-2009, 05:40 PM
holy shit.
Next to Normal looks incredible.
Friday
06-07-2009, 07:01 PM
i know noone cares aside from me n PaulO.. maybe Foster... but these awards are pretty entertaining.
I am enjoying the nods to touring/regional productions too.
Sucks that Neil Patrick Harris isn't on more... apparently he is tearing it up during the commercial breaks though according to friends who are there tonight.
and Alice Ripley is gorgeous and insanely talented.... but she needs to stop yelling. heh...
Foster
06-08-2009, 01:27 AM
i know noone cares aside from me n PaulO.. maybe Foster... but these awards are pretty entertaining.
I am enjoying the nods to touring/regional productions too.
Sucks that Neil Patrick Harris isn't on more... apparently he is tearing it up during the commercial breaks though according to friends who are there tonight.
and Alice Ripley is gorgeous and insanely talented.... but she needs to stop yelling. heh...
I'm not a fan of award shows in general, I never understood how people can get so wrapped up in whether or not their favorite movie or song wins an award in which all the voting is inside political bs.
whats nice about the Tony's though, is that it gives exposure of some of the lesser known shows to a potentially large audience, and maybe get some asses in some seats.
The decision of CBS putting this on opposite the NBA Finals was not good.
and don't fool yourself, Paulo had no interest in the Tony's
thepaulo
06-08-2009, 02:17 AM
I'm not a fan of award shows in general, I never understood how people can get so wrapped up in whether or not their favorite movie or song wins an award in which all the voting is inside political bs.
whats nice about the Tony's though, is that it gives exposure of some of the lesser known shows to a potentially large audience, and maybe get some asses in some seats.
The decision of CBS putting this on opposite the NBA Finals was not good.
and don't fool yourself, Paulo had no interest in the Tony's
I pissed that Billy Elliot didn't win at least one more award.
A Big Night for Broadway, and Especially for Billy
Sara Krulwich/The New York Times
From left, David Alvarez, Kiril Kulish and Trent Kowalik won Tonys for the title role they share in "Billy Elliot," which won best musical. More Photos >
Published: June 7, 2009
Broadway productions with roots in the London theater dominated the 63rd annual Tony Awards on Sunday, with “Billy Elliot” winning best musical and nine other awards and “God of Carnage” picking up honors for best play, best director and best actress.
Complete List of Winners (June 8, 2009)
Complete Coverage
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A special section with critics’ picks, a quiz, an interactive ballot, multimedia features, a Tonys archive and more.
Complete Coverage: Tony AwardsWhile several categories were unusually competitive this year because of the large number of strong Broadway productions, there were also no major upsets. The three teenage boys who rotate in the title role of “Billy Elliot” — David Alvarez, Trent Kowalik and Kiril Kulish — jointly won the award for best actor in a musical, as expected, and they also injected considerable charm into the CBS telecast.
Standing onstage together, they covered their eyes with their hands at different points and looked away from the camera bashfully while muttering sentiments like “Oh my God” and “wow” and “unbelievable.”
Then they took a long pause, as if trying to decide who should speak first — joint Tony Awards are very rare — and then went on to thank their parents and siblings and school and dance teachers.
“And we want to say to all the kids out there who might want to dance, never give up,” Mr. Kulish added.
“Billy Elliot” proved to be the commercial and critical musical hit of the 2008-9 Broadway season, routinely grossing more than $1 million a week in spite of the recession. Elton John, who composed the show’s score, made a point of thanking audience members for that success as he accepted the award for best musical.
“We came here at a hard time economically, you opened your wallets and you opened your hearts, and we love you for it,” he said. This year’s awards were spread around evenly for the most part, with 14 shows receiving at least one Tony. With “Billy Elliot” far ahead, the musical “Next to Normal” and “God of Carnage” were next up with three Tonys each, including best actress honors for Alice Ripley for “Normal” and Marcia Gay Harden for “Carnage.”
The French playwright Yasmina Reza accepted the best play award for “Carnage,” which also took honors for the British director Matthew Warchus.
“I’m very happy to be here again — maybe you missed my accent; you wanted to hear it again?” said Ms. Reza, who previously won for her play “Art.” The award for best revival of a play went to another British import, “The Norman Conquests.”
If accents were indeed in large supply through the night, so were celebrity presenters and recipients, with Broadway having one of its busiest years for actors from film and television. The Oscar-winning actor Geoffrey Rush (an Australian) was honored as best actor in a play as the monarch in “Exit the King” by Eugène Ionesco, whose works came to define the Theater of the Absurd yet are rarely revived on Broadway.
“I want to thank Manhattan theater audiences for proving that French existential absurdist tragi-comedy rocks,” Mr. Rush said.
Politics strayed onto the Tony landscape at only a couple of points, most notably when Oskar Eustis, artistic director of the Public Theater, accepted the award for best musical revival for “Hair.”
“Peace now, freedom now, equality now,” Mr. Eustis said, gesturing to his ring finger as he uttered those last two words, a reference to gay marriage rights. “And justice forever.”
Angela Lansbury won her fifth Tony Award, for best featured actress in a play, for her turn as the medium in “Blithe Spirit,” 43 years after winning her first award, for best actress in the musical “Mame.”
“Who knew, who knew, that at this time in my life that I should be presented with this lovely, lovely award,” said Ms. Lansbury, who is 83.
Liza Minnelli received the Tony for special theatrical event for her one-woman show “Liza’s at the Palace.” For best featured performances in a musical, Gregory Jbara (“Billy Elliot”) and Karen Olivo (“West Side Story”) were honored. The best featured actor award went to another theater veteran, Roger Robinson, for his role in “Joe Turner’s Come and Gone.”
Other awards went to Stephen Daldry for his direction of “Billy Elliot,” “Mary Stuart” for costume design and “Equus” for sound design. All three shows had runs in London before the current Broadway productions were mounted.
The televised ceremony on CBS began with an unusual opening number: an athletically choreographed musical mélange that stretched for 10 minutes and featured performances from 10 different Broadway shows, including “West Side Story” (with actors singing a section of “Tonight”), “Billy Elliot” (“Electricity”) and “Hair” (“Let the Sun Shine In”).
Some of the numbers overlapped to the point of near-inaudibility, and there was a peculiar moment as Stockard Channing (“Pal Joey”) and Aaron Tveit (“Next to Normal”) made eyes at each other as they performed songs from their shows that, in tandem, bordered on the discordant. Dolly Parton sang the title number from the musical “9 to 5” even though she is not in the show.
The telecast did not lack for star power: the first award presenters were Jane Fonda (who was nominated for her lead role in the play “33 Variations”) and James Gandolfini (HBO’s Tony Soprano) and Jeff Daniels, who were both best-actor nominees for “God of Carnage.”
Mr. Gandolfini received one of the big laughs of the night when he and Mr. Daniels appeared onstage immediately after a number from the musical “Shrek,” based on the DreamWorks film about a green ogre.
“For the record, Shrek and I are no relation,” Mr. Gandolfini said
thepaulo
06-08-2009, 02:33 AM
I care.
`Billy Elliot' wins 10 Tonys; `Carnage' best play
By MICHAEL KUCHWARA – 3 hours ago
NEW YORK (AP) — Broadway's Tonys seemed a family affair this year, with an outpouring of generosity from winners to losers despite the domination of the evening by "Billy Eliot," which won 10 awards, and one actor bringing his wife to the stage to stand by him while he accepted his prize.
"I'd like to congratulate the writers of 'Next to Normal,'" said a gracious Elton John, standing in the middle of cast members and producers after his show, "Billy Eliot," won the best musical prize. "Thank you for accepting us on Broadway. ... We came here at a hard time economically. You opened your hearts and you opened your wallets."
In one of the evening's rare upsets, John lost the award for score to "Next to Normal."
He wasn't the only winner to acknowledge those who left empty-handed. Winners such as Angela Lansbury, Marcia Gay Harden and Geoffrey Rush each honored their competitors in their acceptance speeches.
"I send my love and congratulations to the other nominees in this category. It wasn't fair," said Lansbury, who took home her fifth Tony, this time for her performance as the dotty medium Madame Arcati in a revival of Noel Coward's "Blithe Spirit." Her win in the featured-actress category tied the record for acting prizes held by Julie Harris, who has five plus a special lifetime achievement award given in 2002.
Rush, who took the top actor prize for his extravagant portrait of a dying monarch in "Exit the King," wittily mentioned the other best actor nominees by pronouncing their names and plays with a French accent. He also thanked audiences "for proving that French existential absurdist tragicomedy rocks."
The "Billy" triumph included a rare sharing of the best actor prize by the young leading men — David Alvarez, Trent Kowalik and Kiril Kulish — who play the title role. In the past, other actors have shared Tonys, although not for playing the same role. John Kani and Winston Ntshona took home the actor-play prize for the double bill of "Sizwe Banzi Is Dead" and "The Island" in 1975.
The three Billys shyly thanked people associated with the show only by their first name. They also acknowledged siblings and parents before Kulish told the cheering crowd Sunday night at Radio City Music Hall: "We want to say to all the kids out there who might want to dance, 'Never give up.'"
"Billy Elliot" collected eight other awards: featured actor (Gregory Jbara, who brought wife Julie on stage), director (Stephen Daldry), book, choreography, sets, lighting, sound and orchestrations, a prize it shared with "Next to Normal."
Jbara said his wife was living in Los Angeles by herself, raising their kids, while he was out doing the show.
"I've never had a role this emotional before. ... The emotional journey is actually quite healing and rejuvenating," he said about his role as Billy's father.
The 10 awards won by "Billy Elliot" — it had been nominated for 15 — were not enough to topple the Tony record of 12 wins, a feat "The Producers" accomplished in 2001.
"Next to Normal" managed one other major prize: the actress-musical award for Alice Ripley, who plays a woman battling mental illness.
"God of Carnage," Yasmina Reza's savage comedy of social discord, picked up two other major awards, one for its director, Matthew Warchus, and the other for Harden. Warchus paid tribute to the ensemble cast of "The Norman Conquests," which he also directed, and which won the prize for best play revival.
Family of another sort was lauded by Oskar Eustis, head of the Public Theater, whose production of "Hair" won the musical revival prize. He thanked everyone associated with iconic "Hair," its origins in the 1960s and the revival cast: "These 32 most beautiful beasts of the forests, who not only know what hair stands for but live it every day. ... Peace now, freedom now, equality now."
The show's main competition for revival, "West Side Story," managed to snare one prize — for Karen Olivo's fiery performance of Anita.
One of the more heartfelt ovations of the evening was given to Lansbury.
"Who knew that (at) this time in my life that I should be presented with this lovely, lovely award," the 83-year-old actress said. "I feel deeply grateful."
She later returned to the stage of Radio City Music Hall to present a lifetime achievement award to composer Jerry Herman, who wrote "Mame," the musical that won Lansbury her first Tony.
"Did you know that I was born on this street and my mother thought there was something special that her hospital room had a great view of the Winter Garden marquee," said Herman, who also composed the scores for "Hello, Dolly!" and "La Cage aux Folles."
"Well, here I am 77 years later, still on 50th Street but enjoying the ultimate moment of my life."
Family was also evoked by Roger Robinson, a feature-actor winner for his performance in the revival of August Wilson's "Joe Turner's Come and Gone."
"It has taken me 46 years to come from that seat, up these steps, to this microphone," said Robinson, who thanked his mother in Bellevue, Wash., "who's 98 years old ... who encouraged me and raised seven children single-handedly."
And Liza Minnelli championed her parents — Judy Garland and Vincente Minnelli — when her "Liza's at The Palace" took the special theatrical event prize.
"This is exquisite," Minnelli said, asking for a list of people to thank because she didn't think she was going to win. "Lastly, I want to thank my parents and the greatest gift they ever gave me, Kay Thompson," her godmother. Minnelli recreated part of Thompson's club act as part of her Palace entertainment.
The awards show, televised by CBS, opened with a dizzying, exuberant montage of the season's musicals, starting with "Billy Elliot" (and Elton John at the piano). It then worked its way through other shows including "West Side Story," "Guys and Dolls," "Rock of Ages," Dolly Parton with performers from "9 to 5," Liza Minnelli, the cast of "Hair" and finally a stage-filling rendition of "Let the Sun Shine In" with all the casts.
Bret Michaels bumped into a set after cavorting in the "Rock of Ages" number with his band Poison, and was slightly injured.
The huge opening was a number that the show's host, Neil Patrick Harris called "the biggest and most expensive in the history of the Tonys. "And that is why I an your host tonight — I am on TV," said the charming, self-deprecating Harris.
Foster
06-08-2009, 04:19 AM
I care.
.
how is copying a couple of articles off the internet showing you care?
stick with movies, leave the theater to Friday
thepaulo
06-08-2009, 04:24 AM
how is copying a couple of articles off the internet showing you care?
stick with movies, leave the theater to Friday
crap
Foster
06-08-2009, 04:44 AM
crap
exactly,
if you posted something like "God of Carnage was certainly worshiped at the Tony's! Geh! Geh! Geh!"
you might have convinced me you watched last night
thepaulo
06-08-2009, 05:39 AM
exactly,
if you posted something like "God of Carnage was certainly worshiped at the Tony's! Geh! Geh! Geh!"
you might have convinced me you watched last night
I passed out at 10:04pm. I'm so ashamed.
hammersavage
06-08-2009, 09:30 AM
Well Paul, if you missed Bret Michaels almost getting decapitated, here you go.
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drusilla
06-08-2009, 01:06 PM
i can honestly say that is one of the funniest things i have ever seen in my entire life
boonanas
06-08-2009, 02:10 PM
I'm glad Geoffrey Rush won the award for best actor, I got to see Exit the King front row, and he was phenomenal, one of the best performances I've seen on Broadway. I met him as well as the rest of the cast after the show, everyone was fantastic.
thepaulo
06-08-2009, 03:05 PM
Well Paul, if you missed Bret Michaels almost getting decapitated, here you go.
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It was the opening number....I didn't notice a problem but then they replayed it all over.
Hottub
06-08-2009, 03:13 PM
Well Paul, if you missed Bret Michaels almost getting decapitated, here you go.
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Is C.C. clean?
He looks like a million bucks.
thepaulo
06-09-2013, 04:05 PM
The opening number was spectacular and got a well deserved standing ovation. It even included Mike Tyson in the chorus.
hanso
06-09-2013, 08:40 PM
Gave it a shot but soon switched over
PapaBear
06-09-2013, 08:42 PM
Gave it a shot but soon switched over
So did Elton John.
jennysmurf
06-09-2013, 09:00 PM
So did Elton John.
Zing!
spoon
06-09-2013, 09:07 PM
Paul O is gay! Good luck to you and Fez.
keithy_19
06-09-2013, 09:07 PM
I tried watching and it just bored me and made me wonder why musicals are so strange. I've been in a whole bunch of them (currently am in one) and it confuses me.
spoon
06-09-2013, 09:12 PM
I'd rather watch soccer. Nah, both blow like Paul.
thepaulo
06-10-2013, 05:05 AM
Musicals Are Not GAY!
well....Kinky Boots is.
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