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biggestmexi
06-10-2009, 06:42 AM
Now is the time for you.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The House on Tuesday approved a "cash for clunkers" bill that aims to boost new auto sales by allowing consumers to turn in their gas-guzzling cars and trucks for vouchers worth up to $4,500 toward more fuel-efficient vehicles.
President Barack Obama has encouraged Congress to approve consumer incentives for new car purchases as part of the government's work to restructure General Motors and Chrysler. The House approved the bill 298-119.
Supporters pushed for the measure to stimulate car sales and increase the fleet of fuel-efficient vehicles on the nation's highways. The auto industry has sought the incentives after months of poor auto sales. In May, overall sales were 34 percent lower than a year ago.
"Stimulating sales is the only way to get the auto industry back on its feet," said Rep. Donald Manzullo, R-Ill.
General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC have received billions of dollars in government aid and the entire auto industry has watched car sales plummet during the past year. In May, overall sales were 34 percent lower than a year ago.
"Our industry has been stuck in neutral and really has not started to move," said Larry Kull, president of Marlton, N.J.-based Burns Kull Automotive Group, which includes General Motors, Honda and Toyota dealerships.
The vehicle scrappage bill has been under negotiations for months as lawmakers try to find a solution that boosts car sales while providing some environmental benefits. Proponents have pointed to similar programs in Europe that have enhanced auto sales.
Opponents said the bill failed to include incentives for used vehicles and represented an artificial incentive for the industry.
"It's defying the laws of economics and saying we can manufacture enough of a demand to keep the auto industry afloat," said Rep. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz.
Separately, House and Senate appropriators were discussing providing $1 billion to a supplemental war funding bill for the "cash for clunkers" program, which aims to generate about 1 million new auto sales. Since the yearlong vehicle program is expected to cost $4 billion, lawmakers would attempt to find the additional money later this year.
Under the House bill, car owners could get a voucher worth $3,500 if they traded in a vehicle getting 18 miles per gallon or less for one getting at least 22 miles per gallon. The value of the voucher would grow to $4,500 if the mileage of the new car is 10 mpg higher than the old vehicle. The miles per gallon figures are listed on the window sticker.
Owners of sport utility vehicles, pickup trucks or minivans that get 18 mpg or less could receive a voucher for $3,500 if their new truck or SUV is at least 2 mpg higher than their old vehicle. The voucher would increase to $4,500 if the mileage of the new truck or SUV is at least 5 mpg higher than the older vehicle. Consumers could also receive vouchers for leased vehicles.
Rep. Betty Sutton, D-Ohio, the bill's chief sponsor, said the bill showed that "the multiple goals of helping consumers purchase more fuel efficient vehicles, improving our environment and boosting auto sales can be achieved." Sen. Debbie Stabenow, D-Mich., has backed a similar version in the Senate, which has the support of automakers and their unions.
The bill would direct dealers to ensure that the older vehicles are crushed or shredded to get the clunkers off the road. It was intended to help replace older vehicles — built in model year 1984 or later — and would not make financial sense for consumers owning an older car with a trade-in value greater than $3,500 or $4,500.
The U.S. industry is expected to generate about 9.5 million vehicles sales in 2009, compared to more than 13 million in 2008 and more than 16 million in 2007.
Auto analysts questioned whether it would be enough of an incentive for many consumers burdened by debt or financially stressed by the troubled economy.
"That is the major sticking point for Americans: How do you finance your vehicle? How do you pay for it?" said Rebecca Lindland, an auto industry analyst for the consulting firm IHS Global Insight.
A group of senators led by California Democrat Dianne Feinstein were pushing an alternative version that would require consumers to trade up for more fuel-efficient cars and trucks to qualify. They complained that even a 2009 Hummer H3T, which gets 14 mpg in city driving and 18 mpg on the highway, could qualify for the incentives under the House bill.
Under Feinstein's plan, a passenger car owner's trade-in would need to get 17 mpg or less to qualify and only new passenger cars getting at least 24 mpg would be eligible. Owners could receive a $2,500 voucher for a new car that gets at least 7 mpg more than their old car. The voucher would increase to $3,500 for new cars with a 10 mpg improvement and $4,500 for new cars with a 13 mpg increase in fuel efficiency.

ToiletCrusher
06-10-2009, 06:45 AM
Pricks!

Where was that when I got rid of my truck for my mazda?

Can I get the voucher if I go from a mazda 6 to a civic?

biggestmexi
06-10-2009, 06:51 AM
Pricks!

Where was that when I got rid of my truck for my mazda?

Can I get the voucher if I go from a mazda 6 to a civic?

prius

instrument
06-10-2009, 06:53 AM
i finally saw my first new insight on the road last week...that car isn't selling well at all.

though i haven't seen a new prius on the road yet either.

anywho, nothing will get these negroes down here to trade in their 88 crown victorias with giant rims for anything.

Tenbatsuzen
06-10-2009, 07:26 AM
Mexi:

Got a link for this?

I want to trade my F150 for an Edge.

Evolved
06-10-2009, 09:20 AM
Mexi:

Got a link for this?

I want to trade my F150 for an Edge.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090609/ap_on_go_co/us_cash_for_clunkers

And biggestmexi you bolded the proposed plan instead of the plan that was passed.

This is what you should have bolded.
Under the House bill, car owners could get a voucher worth $3,500 if they traded in a vehicle getting 18 miles per gallon or less for one getting at least 22 miles per gallon. The value of the voucher would grow to $4,500 if the mileage of the new car is 10 mpg higher than the old vehicle

biggestmexi
06-10-2009, 10:12 AM
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1550

the real name.

my dad called a while ago with a .gov ive been searching for now but cannot find it

Tenbatsuzen
06-10-2009, 02:44 PM
BTW, the important part is this:

This plan HAS NOT PASSED YET.

It still has to go to the Senate where it has to be passed and then go to Obama.

The situation is this: the bill can still mutate with different numbers for MPGs and money you get back.

My current vehicle is eligible; the vehicle I want is not.

It will still have to go to the Senate and then hashed out if the Senate makes any changes.

~Katja~
06-10-2009, 02:48 PM
hmmm, this worked out REALLY well here in Germany

SatCam
06-10-2009, 02:49 PM
So basically I could buy some junker for let's say $1000, traded it in for a civic at $16000 (maybe $15500 after tradein), then pay $11000 after vouchers, then sell it off at $13000 to someone who's doing the same scheme, and make 2 grand

disneyspy
06-10-2009, 02:50 PM
BTW, the important part is this:

This plan HAS NOT PASSED YET.

It still has to go to the Senate where it has to be passed and then go to Obama.

The situation is this: the bill can still mutate with different numbers for MPGs and money you get back.

My current vehicle is eligible; the vehicle I want is not.

It will still have to go to the Senate and then hashed out if the Senate makes any changes.

i'm willing to bet that one of those changes will be for american cars only

bobstevens4
06-10-2009, 03:00 PM
hmmm, this worked out REALLY well here in Germany

Explain

biggestmexi
06-10-2009, 03:18 PM
So basically I could buy some junker for let's say $1000, traded it in for a civic at $16000 (maybe $15500 after tradein), then pay $11000 after vouchers, then sell it off at $13000 to someone who's doing the same scheme, and make 2 grand

one of the provisions is that the vehicle has to be insured by the owner trading it in for a year.

SatCam
06-10-2009, 03:24 PM
one of the provisions is that the vehicle has to be insured by the owner trading it in for a year.

shouldnt be too hard.. just garage it, maybe rice it up and sell it to some high schooler with a trust fund



edit: I guess the insuring it part might take a bite out of my earnings

Tenbatsuzen
06-10-2009, 04:14 PM
hmmm, this worked out REALLY well here in Germany

That could be said for a lot of things in the Fatherland.